Frame v. Block home construction?

[chrisinva]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

[retiredguy123]

Block is better, but there is really nothing wrong with buying a frame house. In my opinion, the main drawbacks for a frame house are the appearance and the possibility that the vinyl siding can be damaged.

[pikeselectric]

Hi there! Personally I have always preferred block construction for the overall appearance and longevity. I feel that most frame homes have higher maintenance requirements. Found this article with pros and cons of both: Concrete Block Vs. Wood Framed Homes (Pros, Cons, & Myths) (https://waypointinspection.com/concrete-block-vs-wood-framed/)
The Villages New Construction does dabble in both types still, along with the precast/"tilt up" block options as well. My opinion overall is to stick with block. Have a great day!
- Casandra with Pike's Electric

[BrianL99]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

It depends.

Each have advantages and disadvantages.

In general, frame construction is more flexible, easier to work with from the inside (installing things on the wall, changing interior partitions, etc, than CMU or Tilt Up. Also, insulation is usually more efficient. Vinyl siding has less on-going outside maintenance (painting, etc.).

The hurricane standards are the same, regardless of the construction technique.

It really boils down to what "look" you like.

[rustyp]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

I would not let fear of hurricanes drive your decision here in TV. The Villages is in a very low hurricane risk zone. There are manufactured homes built in the 60's in TV that are still standing - 50+ years old.

[RICH1]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

[Two Bills]

The big bad wolf couldn't blow down the little pigs house made of brick! :icon_wink:

[villagetinker]

We bought a lot and built our house in 2013, a Gardenia, and we had the option of Stick, concrete block, or poured concrete, we went with concrete block and very happy with the results. Also, we have had no problems with the insulation or hanging stuff on the exterior walls. Ours has metal studs on exterior walls, and with some care you can hang things like TVs on these.

[retiredguy123]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills
The insulation R-value and noise transmission levels are basically the same for block and frame walls.

[Randall55]

It depends.

Each have advantages and disadvantages.

In general, frame construction is more flexible, easier to work with from the inside (installing things on the wall, changing interior partitions, etc, than CMU or Tilt Up. Also, insulation is usually more efficient. Vinyl siding has less on-going outside maintenance (painting, etc.).

The hurricane standards are the same, regardless of the construction technique.

It really boils down to what "look" you like. I am a retired contractor, could not have given a better explanation. Except, you may want to ask for insurance quotes on a frame, concrete block, and tilt wall. They may vary. Who knows what insurance companies look for these days. Also, make certain the home was constructed before March, 2002 for up to date wind mitigation standards.

[Two Bills]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

Agree.
Our hovel in UK is brick and block, well insulated, warm and noise proof.
The Highland Division pipes and drums could march past and you would never hear them.
Having said that, we have local quarried stone houses with the old lath and plaster walls over 3-400 years of age in our village still occupied and looking good.
Our church is dated from 12th century, with upgrade in 15th century.
I think we still have the original pastor!

[vintageogauge]

The insulation R-value and noise transmission levels are basically the same for block and frame walls.

I don't know about heat/ac insulating values but I know for a fact the frame/vinyl homes allow for a lot more outside noise being heard.

[Randall55]

I don't know about heat/ac insulating values but I know for a fact the frame/vinyl homes allow for a lot more outside noise being heard. Not true. The home on a frame gets wrapped up before the siding is placed on.

I do not believe anyone covered termites. In frame homes you have to be a little more cautious. But, if you keep a regular termite contract, you will have no problems.

[Carla B]

I am a retired contractor, could not have given a better explanation. Except, you may want to ask for insurance quotes on a frame, concrete block, and tilt wall. They may vary. Who knows what insurance companies look for these days. Also, make certain the home was constructed before March, 2002 for up to date wind mitigation standards.

Constructed before March, 2002?

[Randall55]

Constructed before March, 2002? Standard building codes for wind construction were updated in March of 2002. I believe an insurance company gives a deduction for homes that meet these updated standards. Homes built prior to 2002 used an older, less reliable, building code for wind construction. With every hurricane, we learn more and more about better ways to hurricane-proof a home. Tilt wall construction is the latest technology and is believed to help withstand hurricane force winds better than older homes. However, this theory has not been fully tested since few hurricanes have come through since the up-to-date homes have been built.

Disclaimer: I am not an insurance expert. But, I do hear discussions of Villagers regarding their home insurance rates. Some have seen them double and triple while others have not seen a sizeable hike. I believe this can be explained by the age of your home. But then again, even as a contractor who knew to purchase a newer home, I am still puzzled how insurance rates are calculated. I can tell you this, the price of my policy is less than those who live in older Villages. But, ask a Villager, and they will not fully disclose the terms and deductibles of their policies. (It is none of anyone's business) So rates provided to you by individuals for a comparison are all over the board. I urge you to talk to an insurance agent about the coverage on a frame vrs block vrs tilt wall home. And also discuss wind mitigation, flood, and sinkholes. They are the only ones who can provide you with the correct quotes.

[JohnN]

The insulation R-value and noise transmission levels are basically the same for block and frame walls.

Owned a frame , I could hear the neighbors next door. Noise transmission was an issue.

When we moved here full-time, concrete block was a must have - very quiet.
12 years, we painted it once, filled a few cracks, easy stuff. My vote is concrete.

[retiredguy123]

Owned a frame , I could hear the neighbors next door. Noise transmission was an issue.

When we moved here full-time, concrete block was a must have - very quiet.
12 years, we painted it once, filled a few cracks, easy stuff. My vote is concrete.
I don't know, but you could have had some construction defects. The building code has minimum requirements for exterior wall insulation R values and for sound transmission, STC ratings. They may vary a little, but they should be basically the same regardless of the type of construction materials used.

[Keefelane66]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
We have a poured concrete home if you remember the fable “I’ll Huff and puff and blow your house down”
Concrete block or poured.

[mtdjed]

Block is better, but there is really nothing wrong with buying a frame house. In my opinion, the main drawbacks for a frame house are the appearance and the possibility that the vinyl siding can be damaged.

Not all framed homes have Vinyl siding. We have hardie board.

[thelegges]

No worries about hurricane, it the tornadoes they have been destructive for manufacture, stick, block, and Mallory

[vintageogauge]

Not all framed homes have Vinyl siding. We have hardie board.

Most within TV are vinyl.

[bcsnave]

Not all framed homes have Vinyl siding. We have hardie board.

I have not seen Hardie Cement Board siding in TV. Where at?

[dsnrbec]

We’ve had both here in The Villages with the same square footage. There’s been virtually no difference in electric usage or noise issues.

[Cybersprings]

Concrete vs. wood: Which is more soundproof? — Acuslat (https://www.acuslat.com/blogs/acoustics-blog/concrete-vs-wood-which-is-more-soundproof#:~:text=Concrete%20is%20more%20effectiv e%20at,and%20less%20dense%20than%20concrete).

[Cybersprings]

Also, the R-value of an 8" CMU block wall is about 1 (basically nothing). So the walls need to have basically the same insulation added for code as stick built. So 8" concrete block with intermittent concrete filling would almost definitely have more sound insulation than 2x4 or 2x6 with insulation and OSB or plywood sheathing. I would be if the stick built house meets sound insulation standards, the block wall far exceeds them.

[BrianL99]

I have not seen Hardie Cement Board siding in TV. Where at?

There's at least one person in TV I've heard of, who replaced their Vinyl Siding with Hardie Board. Great product, but very pricey.

[jimdecastro]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

I had both. I find the block to be MORE maintenance. The bigger thing is the view and neighborhood. I left Citrus Grove for the view - only. I bought in Newell instead of Richmond BECAUSE of the proximity of the great people of Citrus Grove. But I will say the retail and construction issues are still meaningful - but improving.

[Dotneko]

Also remember the value of a vinyl vs block. When we built, our original model was 20,000 more as a block vs a vinyl.
Went with block because I looked up snakes in exterior vinyl walls...

[Ksarracco]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
Absolutely

[GizmoWhiskers]

I don't know about heat/ac insulating values but I know for a fact the frame/vinyl homes allow for a lot more outside noise being heard.
My house is frame. The windows effect what you hear from outside. Double-pane windows are the norm in T V and fixes any noise. I don't hear anything through my frame walls or windows.

Noisy outside? The garbage truck is the only thing I hear inside the house. Advise, check to see where the turnpike is in relation to the property as it will increase noise on your patios. Check to see if you have an ABnB nextdoor and disrespectful visitors. Many other factors cause the outside enjoyment of your home to be less desireable than the frame walls creating a less than desireable interior experience.

[margaretmattson]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks! I helped in the clean up effort after hurricane Katrina in Biloxi. The hurricane leveled everything from block homes, apartment buildings, casinos, and large commercial buildings. Whatever was in its path was destroyed.

You can't worry too much about the home you choose. Every home, frame, block, or tilt wall is constructed to withstand hurricane force according to updated hurricane code. If I were you, I would do this

1. Google the pros and cons of vinyl vrs stucco which are exterior finishes and Frame vrs concrete block, vrs tilt wall which is how the home was constructed. Decide which you feel is best for you.

2. Call an insurance agent and ask for quotes on each style of home. Frame, block, tilt wall.

3. Look at sinkhole and flood maps. Avoid areas you see that may be trouble.

4. While purchasing, ask the realtor to review the cost of property taxes and the bond. Different cities and counties have varying millage. Some bonds in one area are lower than in others.

4. Relax! You did the best you could do. If a tornado or hurricane hits your home, just like in Biloxi, nothing you or anyone can do. Rebuild and move on with your life.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Also remember the value of a vinyl vs block. When we built, our original model was 20,000 more as a block vs a vinyl.
Went with block because I looked up snakes in exterior vinyl walls...
Not seeing where value is re-cooped for block and not for vinyl in T V. For Villas, they are what they are and pricing is what it is. Manufactured homes are priced very similar to new homes, after all its "the lifestyle" one is purchasing. The new construction buyer pays T V the upcharges. After that it's all the same pot for pre-owned and paid bond is a cherry on top!

[banjobob]

I think most would prefer block or cement walls , strictly from a storm point of view. Aesthetically I prefer siding and am not that concerned about being destroyed by a hurricane. Tornadoes destroy every thing they touch.

[Remembergoldenrule]

We have had two of block and vynal. No difference in noise or AC cost. A lot more in out door maintenance cost of block because must be painted every few years and you have cracks to repair plus water stains if irrigation hits side. Most people just listen to sales pitch that block is better because people pay more for it so think it is better. Get floor plan and neighborhood you want.

[huge-pigeons]

Sorry to say this but vinyl homes look ugly, they look like a mobile home. Stick frame homes with 2x6 construction with hardi board and the same plans as the block homes, then you would have a more equal decision to make. Have you ever seen a vinyl home in a premier neighborhood? NO.
Check out 2yr old neighborhoods with vinyl siding and some of the siding is loose, dirty or discoloring, and you can tell the house plans are quite different than the block homes: smaller, 2 car garages, etc…
For hurricanes, I’ve always heard block homes will withstand the winds better too

[MandoMan]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

While I consider block superior, I live in a 1200 sq ft courtyard villa that is stick built. Sometimes I can hear a car go by outside or a delivery being made, but not usually, and I think that is due to sound through the windows. My highest AC bill has been $122, last month, with the AC set at 73° all the time. I’d love to double the amount of insulation in the roof, but payback at that rate might be twenty years.

Block with no eaves (as often seen in Bermuda) is safer in a hurricane than stick built, BUT, the most important thing is that the roof trusses be well-fastened to the walls and that the sheathing on the trusses be fully nailed down to the trusses, according to the current building code. The damages from Hurricane Andrew in the Miami area were made much worse by shingles barely tacked on, sheathing with inadequate nailing and nails that often missed the trusses, and trusses merely toenailed to the top plates of the walls instead of being secured with Hurricane tie plates properly nailed. This is the case with block walls as well! These details are crucial. That’s why insurers will give you a big break if a hurricane mitigation test shows with photo evidence that your house has been properly built. One difference with 2x4 or 2x6” stud walls, however, is that the walls need to be properly bolted onto the slabs. I suspect that all of these things have been done with all Villages housing for the past twenty years. My first house here was stick built in 1998 and was properly fastened down.

So, yes, block is safer, but only if the roof is properly attached. But block can be harder to insulate. Most stick houses have 6” of fiberglass, but bock houses here may have only one inch of foam or less. A lot of the new housing going in uses what is called the Superior Wall System. This was developed for basements, but has been used above ground for thirty years. It’s terrific. Eight inch prefab walls made up of 2” of 6,000 psi concrete, 1” of styrofoam blue board, and 6” reinforced concrete studs. Between the studs there is room for 6” of fiberglass. These walls are strong, silent, and well insulated. Much better than block walls. Far better insulated.

Then there are the shingles. Shingles have to be nailed down properly. Were yours? Do you know how to tell? The ideal is nailed by hand. Pneumatic nailers have to be set just right so they don’t tear the shingles, and the right nailing pattern is always required. Inexpensive shingles are much more likely to suffer hurricane damage than stiffer, stronger architectural grade shingles, but those do cost quite a bit more, and they may not be allowed in some courtyard villa neighborhoods where all the roofs are the same. These days the best shingles also have tabs at the edges that gradually melt in the heat and over several months glue down to the shingles below them. They are more likely to survive high winds.

[almondz]

Where'd you get this info? So not true.

[rwcw]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has




the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
Google up “tornado in the villages” and look closely at the photos of the houses. We were here visiting a few days after the storm and saw it ourselves. The block homes were tunnels with everything blown out .you can see the damage done to the frame houses. Not much difference. Catastrophic damage to both with 150 mph winds

[Larchap49]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

I don't think that is necessarily true. I moved from Block to stick and vinyl. My highest electric bill was under $150.00 the Block home was much higher but was 400 sq ft large. My only problem has been this house is so tight and insulated so well that the AC does not always run long enough to keep the humidity level down.

[Kelevision]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

I had 2 choices when I bought my CYV. 3 Block houses in one Village were discounted due to not selling. They backed up against Morse/Warm Springs round a bout and a golf cart path. OR identical models of frame houses closer to Sawgrass that backed up against the far end of the bocci ball court and a pond. (Both were almost the exact same price) I chose the quieter location with frame house and IT’S SO QUIET. I’m confused by people saying they can hear noise from inside a frame house? I can’t! I couldn’t tell you when my neighbors are home except from trash in the driveway on garbage day. Choose your favorite location. Don’t worry about frame or block. I did quite a bit of research and my brother is a contractor in Orlando. We were born and raised right here in Leesburg.

[Blueblaze]

I wouldn't buy a frame house anywhere in the country if concrete was available and I could afford it, but because of hurricanes? 80 miles from the ocean? Puuleeeze!

My 20-year-old frame Texas home, 80 miles from the ocean and built to no windstorm standard whatsoever, withstood three level-five hurricanes, without so much as losing a shingle. In one case, the eye passed directly over my house. How is that possible? Because a level 5 is barely a level 1 by the time it crosses 80 miles of land.

My Oklahoma home was at far greater risk from windstorms than my Texas home, and I actually did lose half my roof to a tornado one time. Nothing withstands a level-5 tornado, not even concrete. The level-one remnants of one of those passed over my house one time, too, after leaving an 80 mile path of destruction all the way from OKC to Tulsa. And yet, for some strange reason, my Oklahoma insurance was a quarter of my Florida insurance, even adjusted for inflation.

You ought to get a 75% discount for insuring a concrete house built to hurricane standards 80 miles from the ocean in the Villages. The fact that you don't tells you everything you need to know about the Florida insurance industry.

[airstreamingypsy]

Block is better, but there is really nothing wrong with buying a frame house. In my opinion, the main drawbacks for a frame house are the appearance and the possibility that the vinyl siding can be damaged.

The appearance? Frame houses are so much nicer looking than block, your comment surprises me.

[margaretmattson]

The appearance? Frame houses are so much nicer looking than block, your comment surprises me.The block houses in older villages look much older than the vinyl ones.

[retiredguy123]

The appearance? Frame houses are so much nicer looking than block, your comment surprises me.
Many people will not buy a house with vinyl siding because of the appearance. As far as I know, none of the premier houses or high end designer houses have vinyl siding. Note that it would be easy to build a house with vinyl siding that was better insulated for heat transfer and noise reduction than the typical block house, but some people would not buy it because of the appearance. But, it is a personal preference.

[margaretmattson]

Many people will not buy a house with vinyl siding because of the appearance. As far as I know, none of the premier houses or high end designer houses have vinyl siding. What does the model of home have to do with it? When I drive around, the vinyl homes still look clean and neat years after built date. The stucco/block homes, whether high end designer or premier, look years older than they are.

Premier homes are built from block/stucco because you can create a more stately and grand appearance. But, after built, a month or so later, they begin to look old. The home one chooses is a personal preference. Be happy!

[BostonRich]

Block for me. Stronger, quieter and looks better but what sold me was the report of a lady who had snakes living behind her house siding.

[DonnaNi4os]

Hi there! Personally I have always preferred block construction for the overall appearance and longevity. I feel that most frame homes have higher maintenance requirements. Found this article with pros and cons of both: Concrete Block Vs. Wood Framed Homes (Pros, Cons, & Myths) (https://waypointinspection.com/concrete-block-vs-wood-framed/)
The Villages New Construction does dabble in both types still, along with the precast/"tilt up" block options as well. My opinion overall is to stick with block. Have a great day!
- Casandra with Pike's Electric

Thanks for the link to the wood vs block. Interesting read

[Bilyclub]

Since this has become a matter of opinion I prefer block over vinyl siding. Block needs to get painted every 10 or so years, but what do you do with worn out looking vinyl?

[Two Bills]

What does the model of home have to do with it? When I drive around, the vinyl homes still look clean and neat years after built date. The stucco/block homes, whether high end designer or premier, look years older than they are.

Premier homes are built from block/stucco because you can create a more stately and grand appearance. But, after built, a month or so later, they begin to look old. The home one chooses is a personal preference. Be happy!

....and after 6 months they start to crumble, and within the year there is just a pile of rubble left.
Can't understand anyone buying a block built home!:icon_wink:

[retiredguy123]

What does the model of home have to do with it? When I drive around, the vinyl homes still look clean and neat years after built date. The stucco/block homes, whether high end designer or premier, look years older than they are.

Premier homes are built from block/stucco because you can create a more stately and grand appearance. But, after built, a month or so later, they begin to look old. The home one chooses is a personal preference. Be happy!
It sounds like you are agreeing with me. Yes, a premier house has a stately and grand appearance partly because it doesn't have vinyl siding. But, I totally disagree that a block house starts to look old after a "month or so". By the way, most of the concrete and block houses in The Villages do not have stucco. The concrete surface is covered with a trowelled cement finish that is very durable. Usually, It doesn't require any maintenance except painting every 10 years or so.

[DonnaNi4os]

Remember the 3 little pigs? The only house still standing was made of bricks. I have a block home, no regrets.

[GATORBILL66]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!


Actually, wood frame home are 6 times stronger than block. It takes 6 times the wind strength to break a 2X4 as per a cinder block. But the siding they put on the frame homes will rip off. Cedar siding on a frame home is the best.

Former president of BESTBUILT HOME, INC.

[margaretmattson]

Remember the 3 little pigs? The only house still standing was made of bricks. I have a block home, no regrets. Remember big bad Katrina, Andrew, or Ian? Or the tornado here in the village of Mallory? They huffed and puffed and blew It all down! Fairy tales are make believe.

[Desiderata]

I helped in the clean up effort after hurricane Katrina in Biloxi. The hurricane leveled everything from block homes, apartment buildings, casinos, and large commercial buildings. Whatever was in its path was destroyed.

You can't worry too much about the home you choose. Every home, frame, block, or tilt wall is constructed to withstand hurricane force according to updated hurricane code. If I were you, I would do this

1. Google the pros and cons of vinyl vrs stucco which are exterior finishes and Frame vrs concrete block, vrs tilt wall which is how the home was constructed. Decide which you feel is best for you.

2. Call an insurance agent and ask for quotes on each style of home. Frame, block, tilt wall.

3. Look at sinkhole and flood maps. Avoid areas you see that may be trouble.

4. While purchasing, ask the realtor to review the cost of property taxes and the bond. Different cities and counties have varying millage. Some bonds in one area are lower than in others.

4. Relax! You did the best you could do. If a tornado or hurricane hits your home, just like in Biloxi, nothing you or anyone can do. Rebuild and move on with your life.

I love this reply.

[BrianL99]

Actually, wood frame home are 6 times stronger than block. It takes 6 times the wind strength to break a 2X4 as per a cinder block. But the siding they put on the frame homes will rip off. Cedar siding on a frame home is the best.

Former president of BESTBUILT HOME, INC.

There's no question in my opinion, that wood frame is by far, the best construction technique for single-family, residential construction.

In the future, please remember this is The Villages and trying to confuse folks with facts, isn't very well tolerated.

I'm sure you think that big giant "Welcome to The Villages" sign on the bridge is a simple "welcome"? It is not. When folks pass under that sign, the force field immediately endows them with superpowers ... wisdom, intelligence and unparalleled knowledge of all subjects.

[Wondering]

In my opinion, you are better off with a block or poured wall construction in Florida because of the heat, hurricanes and possible tornados. In 2007, there was a tornado that touched down in The Villages, where Mallory Country Club and surrounding streets exit.. All or most of the "Stick" construction house were demolished or nothing left of them. The block homes had minimal damage. Something to consider!

[retiredguy123]

Actually, wood frame home are 6 times stronger than block. It takes 6 times the wind strength to break a 2X4 as per a cinder block. But the siding they put on the frame homes will rip off. Cedar siding on a frame home is the best.

Former president of BESTBUILT HOME, INC.
Huh? How are you defining wind strength? If frame houses were 6 times stronger than block houses, they would easily survive a tornado, but they obviously don't.

[JRcorvette]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

Here in Florida I would only buy a block home. Fram can have issues with termites and the vinyl siding is early damage and in my opinion looks cheap. I hate seeing vinyl mixed in with stucco block homes.

[Vermilion Villager]

I had both. I find the block to be MORE maintenance. The bigger thing is the view and neighborhood. I left Citrus Grove for the view - only. I bought in Newell instead of Richmond BECAUSE of the proximity of the great people of Citrus Grove. But I will say the retail and construction issues are still meaningful - but improving.

Would you care to explain? If you bought a block in 2021 and have maintenence issues then there is a problem.

[Altawood]

My observation from living in both is that the new pre-cast concrete homes are quieter and cooler than the frame home we just purchased in De Luna. I believe that they would also do better in a hurricane, though that’s just a guess. I don’t know if the energy savings would be the same in the colder months.

[Red Rose]

We’ve lived in our frame home for almost 18 years and it’s very well insulated against noise. Also, a hurricane or tornado doesn’t care if the home is frame or block. Your roof is the first thing to go and if it goes, your home is done. Also, the 2007 tornado destroyed both frame and block houses in our area. I think block houses are prettier, but Mother Nature doesn’t care. Just buy what you like.

[margaretmattson]

Tornado Village of Mallory 2007

[huge-pigeons]

There is a big difference in tornado damages vs hurricane or fire damages.
Tornados are very narrow and short lived. Hurricanes are hundreds of miles wide, travel hundreds if not thousands of miles, can be 150mph, usually involves storm surge, flooding, wind, and tornados. Damage usually involves boats, businesses, roads, homes, and lives. Fires also have a long/wide path and are long in duration.

[Villagesgal]

Either withstands hurricane winds here in Central Florida the same. I've been here 20+ years and have seen block homes torn apart just like stick built. Stick built is built with steel framing inside and outside walls. We upgraded at build to R36 insulation and our heat and ac bills are much lower than neighbors with block homes. Noise? We live on a championship golfcourse and inside hear nothing. We also opted for double pained insulated glass windows and sliders. Siding still looks great, no repainting costs. We came from an area with mostly brick stucco homes, so love the look of our stick built home. Go by what look appeals to you. It's your home. Buy what you want to look at for the rest of your retirement.

[Karmanng]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

I have had both in AZ. Believe it or not I had bad termites with the block home that were visiable inside the home and the frame one only had them on the foundation. The cement blocks over time do disintergrate and start to crumble and flake and you do need to paint quite often as the paint will peel.......both on a wall and on the home here in AZ....at least with siding you dont have the need to paint every few years and that should be done at least every 5 or less being it rains much more there than here in AZ......we just get the heat.........Also stucco will still crack as will the cement precast ones....with the precast homes you are not able to say add a electrical outlet or move a wall from what I understand.......I bought in TV and wanted a block but I ended up with the frame and stucco. The renter that I had in there was a builder in Indiana and said that the house was made very well from what he could see and tell me

[Karmanng]

Tornado Village of Mallory 2007

When did this all happen?

[Karmanng]

my area I never saw anything wrong with the siding nor is my home like what you described and it is already 4 year old area!!!!!!

[BrianL99]

When did this all happen?

The source of at least one of the posted photos, was the *************.

Most of the damage was around the Cane Garden CC, Sunset Pointe, Sabal & Mallory.

https://www.**************.com/2017/02/01/groundhog-day-tornado-decade-ago-left-behind-path-devastation/

https://www.**************.com/2019/08/31/villages-101-deadly-2007-groundhog-day-tornado-cut-devastating-path-through-the-villages-and-lady-lake/

[vintageogauge]

Google up “tornado in the villages” and look closely at the photos of the houses. We were here visiting a few days after the storm and saw it ourselves. The block homes were tunnels with everything blown out .you can see the damage done to the frame houses. Not much difference. Catastrophic damage to both with 150 mph winds

I was in the midst of the 2/2/07 tornado, here are two homes, next door neighbors, block vs frame, I'll take the block.

[Bonanza]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

Your comment is very misleading and incorrect. To my way of thinking you forgot two of the most important things . . .

1. What kind and how much insulation in the walls, and

2. The windows. Yes, the windows! We had new Andersen windows installed and we hear almost NOTHING from the outside The windows are far more important than block or wood construction. Regarding your A/C bills, quality windows keep out the transfer of heat and cold in combination to what you have as insulation in the walls.

[jimjamuser]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
As far as hurricanes go, the roof is the weak spot, not the walls. So, whatever the walls, the roof needs to be held down by straps or some other mechanism.

[jimjamuser]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
I had a blockhouse near Tampa that always felt cold in the winter. My wood house here in the Villages seems warmer. When I touched the walls, I could feel the difference in the winter. I suppose a good test would be to wait for a day in Dec or Jan and then put your hand on an inside wall and see if there is any difference between the 2 types of construction. I guess you could take a thermometer to several open houses. Also, the concrete-block house might have more insulation than the wood.

[jimjamuser]

I would not let fear of hurricanes drive your decision here in TV. The Villages is in a very low hurricane risk zone. There are manufactured homes built in the 60's in TV that are still standing - 50+ years old.
Conditions are changing as the water around Florida has been warming up for the last 10 years as the CO2 effect has reflected earth's heat. Likely, hurricanes will be bigger and more frequent than in the past.

[kkingston57]

Block is better, but there is really nothing wrong with buying a frame house. In my opinion, the main drawbacks for a frame house are the appearance and the possibility that the vinyl siding can be damaged.

Less likely to have problems with termites in a block home. Block home is definitely better in a bad storm/hurricane. Very little frame construction in hurricane prone areas.

[jimjamuser]

Also remember the value of a vinyl vs block. When we built, our original model was 20,000 more as a block vs a vinyl.
Went with block because I looked up snakes in exterior vinyl walls...
Personally, for $20,000, I could tolerate a lot of snakes. I guess "Snakes on an Airplane" is NOT a favorite movie. MAYBE a screen on the toilet bowl would be in order?

[jimjamuser]

Since this has become a matter of opinion I prefer block over vinyl siding. Block needs to get painted every 10 or so years, but what do you do with worn out looking vinyl?
You might be able to put on wax if it bothered you that much.

[PurePeach]

BLOCK …. Unless you want noise and high AC bills

We live in a Patio Villa and dont have noise problems or high AC bills.

[dadspet]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!
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We were here on 2/2/2007 a EF-3 Tornado(155 to 165 mph wind) hit The Villages and destroyed about 1300 houses . Our mind was clearly made up BLOCK Construction next house. BTW The Villages did an outstanding job stopping everything they were doing to help the people and The Villages recovered years before other areas.

[patfla06]

For us block construction is preferrable. This is our 3rd block house in Florida.

[margaretmattson]

.As far as hurricanes go, the roof is the weak spot, not the walls. So, whatever the walls, the roof needs to be held down by straps or some other mechanism.You forgot to mention the windows. Once a home is compromised, you may have water damage depending on how long and heavy the rain. If your walls withstood the tornado or hurricane, the inside can be completely destroyed. Even a small hole can lead into a bigger problem. With water, you have the potential for mold. It is silly to believe you are safe or better off in any home. Take care of yourself and loved ones, and know that you will have to rebuild. That is all any of us can do.

[Randall55]

I am a retired contractor. There is so much misinformation on this thread that I do not know where to start. My advice: Look at the pictures provided. A picture is worth a 1000 words. Call an insurance agent and ask for quotes on a frame, block, and tilt-wall construction home. Not just to save money. Their quotes are based on claims they had to pay out for a natural disaster. Compare the quotes. If one seems extremely high, then do not purchase that type of home. Chances are that type of home does not withstand as well as the others. If the quotes are all reasonably comparable, it does not matter which type of home you buy. Home construction, natural disasters, and claims are COMPLETELY different issues. Insurance companies gather information regarding each of these issues then price protection accordingly. You would be doing yourself a favor if you talk to them before buying. Guessing based on the story of the big bad wolf is probably not the best of thinking.

Note: Even as a contractor I will not tell you which type of home is best to buy. Too many variables. I would recommend having the home inspected before purchasing.

[coffeebean]

Your comment is very misleading and incorrect. To my way of thinking you forgot two of the most important things . . .

1. What kind and how much insulation in the walls, and

2. The windows. Yes, the windows! We had new Andersen windows installed and we hear almost NOTHING from the outside The windows are far more important than block or wood construction. Regarding your A/C bills, quality windows keep out the transfer of heat and cold in combination to what you have as insulation in the walls.

Our windows have UV film on them which the previous owner had installed. Not only does the film reduce glare in our home, it keeps it cooler and protects all our "stuff". mainly the furniture from UV rays. Our windows are the original double pane windows that were installed during the build.

[westernrider75]

Currently live in a block constructed home, built 2018, with stucco surface. I'm considering a frame constructed , per the TV advertisement, home in Citrus Grove. The frame house has siding. I didn't know the developer still made frame homes.

Being from the north, I've heard & believe that block construction is better than frame for withstanding hurricanes. Your opinions? Thanks!

We rented a frame courtyard villa before purchasing a block/stucco CYV. We definitely heard more outside noise in the frame villa than in the block one we bought. Was it because the frame one was older, had different windows or maybe was closer together? Not sure, but there is a difference.

[phousel]

Absolutely
Let's see...
Both have windows. Both have doors. Both have garage doors. Both have wood frame roofs.
Where do you see the "better" hurricane protection?

[phousel]

Where are the facts to support this? Both buildings have the same roof structures, windows, doors and garage doors. Sound trough walls - minimal.

[Topspinmo]

Concrete vs. wood: Which is more soundproof? — Acuslat (https://www.acuslat.com/blogs/acoustics-blog/concrete-vs-wood-which-is-more-soundproof#:~:text=Concrete%20is%20more%20effectiv e%20at,and%20less%20dense%20than%20concrete).


The noise I hear in block home come down from attic vents through fans and a/C ducting.

[ldj1938]

We lived in south Florida in 2002 during hurricane Andrew. South of Miami ALL of the wood
frame homes disappeared. All that was left was a concrete slab. Many of the block homes were gone as well, but their survival rate was much better. This was an extreme test, but I would NOT live in a wood framed house in Florida after seeing that. It was an unbelievable sight!

[ElDiabloJoe]

Hi there! Personally I have always preferred block construction for the overall appearance and longevity. I feel that most frame homes have higher maintenance requirements. Found this article with pros and cons of both: Concrete Block Vs. Wood Framed Homes (Pros, Cons, & Myths) (https://waypointinspection.com/concrete-block-vs-wood-framed/)
The Villages New Construction does dabble in both types still, along with the precast/"tilt up" block options as well. My opinion overall is to stick with block. Have a great day!
- Casandra with Pike's Electric
I have to say, I am very pleased with Pike's Electric and their sponsorship and contributions here. Most "sponsored" posters generally just pop on to hawk their own specialty, but Casandra contributes and posts like a regular user, but often lends their knowledge when appropriate - but not always. It doesn't feel like they are here just for their business, but actually participate regardless. I appreciate that. It helps to form some rapport and appreciation between the business and other posters (well - at least for me).

All that being said, I'm going to ask an "electrical" related question about this topic: How easy/difficult is it to run, adjust, add, modify, etc. electrical in one of the Developer's tilt/precast structures? I mean, if I wanted to add an outlet, or change a duplex to a quadplex, or anything else, would it have to be run via exposed conduit, like a modern contemporary loft or something?

This has been my biggest concern with what would otherwise be a strong and advantageous building structure. It would make me lean more to block or frame construction instead.

Thanks.

[jimjamuser]

.You forgot to mention the windows. Once a home is compromised, you may have water damage depending on how long and heavy the rain. If your walls withstood the tornado or hurricane, the inside can be completely destroyed. Even a small hole can lead into a bigger problem. With water, you have the potential for mold. It is silly to believe you are safe or better off in any home. Take care of yourself and loved ones, and know that you will have to rebuild. That is all any of us can do.
Windows ARE important. I think that it is so humorous that all the homes around me have FAKE ornamental shutters. Real shutters would be nice during a hurricane or tornado. Even clear plexiglass shutters could help. If I had unlimited money and time, I would put up some plexiglass shutters.