What's your political bent? TV residents, only please

[redwitch]

I know this thread sounds political, but it truly isn't. I just want to know how many are actually something other than Republican or conservative but too afraid to say it out loud. I'd also appreciate it if only TV residents (snowbirds, snowflakes ok) would vote. I'm beginning to get the feeling that TV has a lot more liberals than I thought considering how often I meet liberals who are afraid to admit/discuss their political viewpoints.

No one needs to add a response, this is just a poll.

[ajbrown]

Are the top two supposed to be republican?

[redwitch]

Oops -- started to make it Conservative and Moderate Republicans, but changed my mind. I'll try to edit it. Thanks.

[redwitch]

Nope, can't edit the poll itself, so I'm stuck with looking dumb. Oh, well, could be worse. Hope all you elephant lovers only vote the first choice. lol

[EdV]

PM Tony, I'm sure he can make the change.

[rjm1cc]

Good question and I am glade to see the differences.

[gvsulakerfan]

Easy enough to figure out scientifically.

Statistics for the registered voters in the tri-county area:

Sumter County:
Republicans: 31,612 (47.7%)
Democrats: 22,287 (33.7%)
Others: 12,307 (18.6%)
Total: 66,206

Marion County:
Republicans: 89,616 (41.7%)
Democrats: 83,205 (38.7%)
Other: 41,902 (19.5%)
Total: 214,723

Lake County:
Republicans: 86,783 (44.3%)
Democrats: 67,569 (34.5%)
Other: 41,440 (21.2%)
Total: 195,792

If you wanted to get real crazy you could analyze the statistics of registered voters at any of the 3 Supervisor of Elections websites. Get the excel spreadsheet, choose only precincts that fall within The Villages boundary and run some simple equations to figure out percentages of party affiliation... you can even analyze further based on sex or age or particular precinct to figure out just how republican, democrat or other your specific neighborhood is.

Or, you could just do a message board poll, a lot less work that way... :D

[Jane52]

I'm beginning to get the feeling that TV has a lot more liberals than I thought considering how often I meet liberals who are afraid to admit/discuss their political viewpoints......

That goes both ways. There are many independents, conservatives or libertarians who are afraid to admit/discuss their political viewpoints too, because of the poisonous labels applied when you simply disagree with, not "hate", the other side.

There are lots of other interesting topics to discuss and learn about besides religion or politics, as this website shows.

I do like the poll above, though. It's interesting and I think people are more forthright when voting in secret.

[tony]

I removed the second Republican choice. It had not received any votes.

[redwitch]

Thank you, sweets. Jan may THINK he's the nice administrator, but we all know better. (Running and hiding now!)

[JimJoe]

Where do I fit? I am a tea party conservative who would vote Libertarian if they would drop their goofy position on immigration.
I sure do NOT want to be identified as a Republican.
Independent sounds like I do not stand for anything.
You should have just had a line for CONSERVATIVE.
JJ

[redwitch]

I thought about it, JJ, but decided I didn't want it to off in too many tangents. I actually considered not putting in independent since their political leanings are usually one way or the other with just a refusal to state. The main reason for the posting is that too many liberals and Democrats in TV are afraid to admit they are what they are and that's a shame. Liberal has become a dirty word. Democrat is not much better.

I thought it would be nice to let the non-Republicans see there are other, like-minded folks actually living in TV and to know they are real people even if they choose to be anonymous.

[billethkid]

for what they believe?
That would be a travesty and in many cases....dumb!

btk

[BobKat1]

for what they believe?
That would be a travesty and in many cases....dumb!

btk

That was my thought too.

It could be that many people just don't feel the need to let people/everyone know their leanings.

[graciegirl]

Declaring your political leanings can lose you friends sometimes here in TV. Older people are VERY sure of their ideas on politics and sometimes do not have much patience or understanding or consideration for anyone elses.

We are perfect in every other way.:crap2:

[Larry Wilson]

Well said Graciegirl.

[laryb]

Where do I fit? I am a tea party conservative who would vote Libertarian if they would drop their goofy position on immigration.
I sure do NOT want to be identified as a Republican.
Independent sounds like I do not stand for anything.
You should have just had a line for CONSERVATIVE.
JJ
I am an independent, and while I respect your opinion, I feel I stand for what I believe is right, not what any party or group tells me is right. Sometimes I think like a Republican, and other times like a Democrat, and then sometimes like neither.

[Number 6]

Libertarian and proud of it.

[chuckinca]

Yellow Dog Democrat here.


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[Jane52]

I am an independent, and while I respect your opinion, I feel I stand for what I believe is right, not what any party or group tells me is right. Sometimes I think like a Republican, and other times like a Democrat, and then sometimes like neither.

Very well said.

And then take into account how often we end up voting only "for" the lesser of two evils that are either a D or an R, because they are the only electable choices we get on a ballot.

Often, the personal integrity of a particular candidate is not reflected at all by the integrity of the party.

In fact, personal integrity often gets a trustworthy candidate thrown under the bus by his party (both are guilty), so that a more charismatic liar/impostor can rise to the top and win at any cost to the electorate.

[Talk Host]

Lifelong Republication but sliding more to the center and left of center with each passing year.

[elevatorman]

I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat. (Will Rodgers)

[Jim007]

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[Larryandlinda]

I know this thread sounds political, but it truly isn't. I just want to know how many are actually something other than Republican or conservative but too afraid to say it out loud. I'd also appreciate it if only TV residents (snowbirds, snowflakes ok) would vote. I'm beginning to get the feeling that TV has a lot more liberals than I thought considering how often I meet liberals who are afraid to admit/discuss their political viewpoints.

No one needs to add a response, this is just a poll.


Interesting!
This is a great poll showing how the
Bradley effect

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect)
could very well take effect here in TV.
Here's one open for suggestion:
And just spozin' here.....what if some family were morally conservative, fiscally and politically somewhat liberal/progressive, card-carrying GOP members, and often voted for the democratic issues and candidates.
They post a yard sign and stick bumperstickers on that say:
another Republican for (a candidate of a non Republican affiliation)
Those things get attention!!

Thanks for the poll, Red,
We do know who you are!
you are not a witch!
are you??

L and L

[Larryandlinda]

I know this thread sounds political, but it truly isn't. I just want to know how many are actually something other than Republican or conservative but too afraid to say it out loud. I'd also appreciate it if only TV residents (snowbirds, snowflakes ok) would vote. <snip>

Red, we forgot to ask...
What is a snowflake?


L and L

[JimJoe]

I thought about it, JJ, but decided I didn't want it to off in too many tangents. I actually considered not putting in independent since their political leanings are usually one way or the other with just a refusal to state. The main reason for the posting is that too many liberals and Democrats in TV are afraid to admit they are what they are and that's a shame. Liberal has become a dirty word. Democrat is not much better.

I thought it would be nice to let the non-Republicans see there are other, like-minded folks actually living in TV and to know they are real people even if they choose to be anonymous.

You have a choice for Democrat and then for Liberal..
and Republican and Independent.
It seems like If you are a liberal, and not a democrat, then you are probably VERY liberal.
Likewise, if you are conservative, but not Republican you are conservative, not an Independent.
I still think the choices should have been, Conservative, Republican, Moderate (Independent), Democrat, Liberal.. on a continuum.
Or said another way, Very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, very liberal.
Sorry I am so anal.
JJ

[Larryandlinda]

You have a choice for Democrat and then for Liberal..
and Republican and Independent.
It seems like If you are a liberal, and not a democrat, then you are probably VERY liberal.
Likewise, if you are conservative, but not Republican you are conservative, not an Independent.
I still think the choices should have been, Conservative, Republican, Moderate (Independent), Democrat, Liberal.. on a continuum.
Or said another way, Very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, very liberal.
Sorry I am so anal.
JJ

JJ that was not anal at all
Red had a great idea and great ideas can develop

there should be a couple hundred votes soon and another one with that sliding scale can envelop

this shows that there are more than one answer, just as in real life - it's a broad, gray area, not a fine line

L and L

[chuckinca]

Lifelong Republication but sliding more to the center and left of center with each passing year.


I believe the center is moving.


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[Larryandlinda]

Lifelong Republication but sliding more to the center and left of center with each passing year.

Careful going across that centerline with that big 'scoot.
There might be a Winnie coming the other way!

On a more serious note, like TV, there are 'birds that are less than permanent line-crossers. when the curtains close, it's in your hands.

And what so many fail to realize? Not voting is voting!!

L and L

[gvsulakerfan]

How has this not been bumped to the politics forum?

[Boomer]

How has this not been bumped to the politics forum?

It is because this thread is about life in The Villages. It is not about political issues.

Moderate Boomer

[Jane52]

It is because this thread is about life in The Villages. It is not about political issues. Moderate Boomer

I like it here because people outside TV who think about coming to TV can see the poll without being registered and signed-in on the political forum.

It's good for non-villagers to see that TV is well mixed and far more diverse than some think--without ever having spent even a day here.

[njbchbum]

I like it here because people outside TV who think about coming to TV can see the poll without being registered and signed-in on the political forum.

It's good for non-villagers to see that TV is well mixed and far more diverse than some think--without ever having spent even a day here.

do you really think that people move to or don't move to the villages because of political tendencies and not the golf courses, amenities and facilities the villages offers?

[Pturner]

Red, we forgot to ask...
What is a snowflake?


L and L

Hi L&L,
Residents here are snowflakes, snowbirds or frogs. Obviously snowbirds come down for the winter. Snowflakes own a home here and come down whenever they can. Frogs are full-time residents, here till they croak.

Back to the subject, this is an interesting poll. :D

[billethkid]

Reality suggests otherwise.
Very similar to the comment by GG about losing friends if you speak what you believe....to me those would not be friends.
Any subject with "political" in it takes on a life of it's own....just like the three word story/sentences.

btk

[Larryandlinda]

Hi L&L,
<snip> Snowflakes own a home here and come down whenever they can. <snip> :D
Thanks PT, that's what we first thought when we saw the term, we have always been considered flaky. But because we drift in and out, we thought of ourselves as.....snowDrifts

and to answer NJ's comment:
do you really think that people move to or don't move to the villages because of political tendencies and not the golf courses, amenities and facilities the villages offers?
__________________
Jersey Girls don't pump gas!


We believe there's more effect than some might assume. The diversity shown in the poll might be encouraging to many among us, though we had seen the demographic stats that were posted on an earlier entry to this thread.

Sometimes politics gets to be as emotional as a tailgate party where adults become rivaling teen fans all over again.

Thanks to Red for the enlightenment

L and L

[BobKat1]

I noticed on a two page spread in the Dec issue of The Villages Magazine they recap some of the well known visitors to TV in 2010. I'm not sure if the list reflects the make up of TV or that of the publisher.

The list w/pics is made up of K. Rove, L. Ingraham, S. Hannity, M. Romney, G.W. Bush, R. Scott, M. Rubio and Ed Meese.

[Pturner]

I noticed on a two page spread in the Dec issue of The Villages Magazine they recap some of the well known visitors to TV in 2010. I'm not sure if the list reflects the make up of TV or that of the publisher.

The list w/pics is made up of K. Rove, L. Ingraham, S. Hannity, M. Romney, G.W. Bush, R. Scott, M. Rubio and Ed Meese.

Hi BobKat1,
The publisher is the developer. He is Republican and invites the Republican luminaries. Sarah Palin and Glen Beck also have visited TV.

[BobKat1]

Hi BobKat1,
The publisher is the developer. He is Republican and invites the Republican luminaries. Sarah Palin and Glen Beck also have visited TV.

Hi Pturner. Are any well known peeps with differing viewpoints invited to appear?

[springfield]

Thanks for expressing my beliefs.

[Pturner]

Hi Pturner. Are any well known peeps with differing viewpoints invited to appear?

Hi BobKat1, I am not aware of any speaker associated with liberal issues or the Democratic Party who has been invited, if this is what you are asking. However, needless to say, I am not aware of every speaker who has ever been invited. So, would someone please jump if a Democratic or liberal speaker has been invited to TV.

[Yoda]

I know this thread sounds political, but it truly isn't. I just want to know how many are actually something other than Republican or conservative but too afraid to say it out loud. I'd also appreciate it if only TV residents (snowbirds, snowflakes ok) would vote. I'm beginning to get the feeling that TV has a lot more liberals than I thought considering how often I meet liberals who are afraid to admit/discuss their political viewpoints.

No one needs to add a response, this is just a poll.

Why did you include liberal and not conservative?

Yoda

[Larry Wilson]

Thanks for expressing my beliefs too.

[chuckinca]

Current TOTV vote:

Republican 41 34.45%
Democrat 24 20.17%
Liberal 11 9.24%
Independent 43 36.13%


Lookin like more TOTV folks call themselves Independent.



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[Challenger]

Current TOTV vote:

Republican 41 34.45%
Democrat 24 20.17%
Liberal 11 9.24%
Independent 43 36.13%


Lookin like more TOTV folks call themselves Independent.



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In my experience, most folks who claim to be Idependents, aren't. It seems that it has become the style to claim in casual conversation that you are an Independent but if voting records could be checked you would find that most voted party lines in national and state elections. Local elections probably are somewhat different.

[Russ_Boston]

Lifelong Republication but sliding more to the center and left of center with each passing year.


I think that sums me up as well.

I've always leaned toward being financially conservative and socially liberal. I think that if we just did a little better job on the budget (don't allow pork-barrel, ear-marks etc.) that we could do what was needed on the spending side to support our citizens. In other words I think we CAN have it all.

[redwitch]

Srange, I posted a reply last night but it seems to have disappeared, so I'll try again.

First, I know it's hard to resist, but please try to not make this a political discussion. I'd hate to see this moved to the political forum and some of the responses have gotten downright close, if not over the political line. I really would like it to simply stay as a way to let people know there are others in TV who are not Republicans.

Second, I didn't include conservative because I've yet to meet a true conservative who isn't a Republican. I also agree with Challenger that most who claim to be Independents are anything but. As to why not more categories, I honestly didn't feel it necessary. I didn't even think of including Libertarians since I thought they easily fit the liberal category, ditto Tea Party/Republican. I know that wasn't 100% accurate but I didn't want it to go too far. Guess I was wrong. Something tells me many of the independent votes are really a protest for not including their parties. Sorry. I'm beginning to think I should have just made the poll as to who you voted for in the last national election. Oh, well, hindsight is beautiful.

Third, to my knowledge, the only Democratic politician who has set foot in TV while campaigning was Alex Sink when she was running for Governor, at least in the past 3 years. She met with Democrats for a fundraising at a private residence. There was no mention of the event in The Daily Sun until long after the event. No Democrat was invited to speak here during the national elections. To me, this is a shame since I really do like to hear all sides before I decide how I choose to vote.

Fourth, some of you think that political persuasion doesn't matter. You're right that it doesn't matter to your friends, but your acquaintances are another story. I know of a woman who has lived in TV for over 10 years, is a military widow, is very liberal and only 3 people in TV know her political viewpoints. She's not afraid of losing friends, she just doesn't want the arguments, which is what has happened when she "foolishly" (her word, not mine) told someone what she believed. There's something sad about being afraid to say what you feel because people will yell at you, call you names and so on.

I've been pretty open about being a liberal. I've also happily admitted to voting the Republican ticket a time or two. I'm exceedingly liberal when it comes to human rights. I'm also fiscally conservative (yes, the two can co-exist). I'm pro-military. No, I'm not confused. I'm not a child who doesn't know what she's talking about. I'm not an idiot who needs a lesson or two on American politics. I've been told all of these things since moving to TV. This makes it hard for people to admit to being anything but conservatives or Republicans. There are others here (both in TV and in TOTV) who have told me they wish they could speak up, but don't want the confrontations but are glad there are a few like me around who will speak up for them. That's just sad. People should feel free to speak up. Maybe seeing this poll will help them a little.

[Taj44]

Hi BobKat1, I am not aware of any speaker associated with liberal issues or the Democratic Party who has been invited, if this is what you are asking. However, needless to say, I am not aware of every speaker who has ever been invited. So, would someone please jump if a Democratic or liberal speaker has been invited to TV.

I don't keep tabs on all the Democratic or liberal speakers, but the following have attended recently:

Kendrick Meek spoke to a packed audience at the Savannah Center on August 15.

There was an "invitation only" event in October at Seabreeze Recreation center where a large audience filled the auditorium to listen to Gubernatorial candidate Alex Sink. Candidates Jim Piccillo and Eunice Garbutt also attended.

[Jane52]

In my experience, most folks who claim to be Idependents, aren't. It seems that it has become the style to claim in casual conversation that you are an Independent but if voting records could be checked you would find that most voted party lines . .

If only all political conversations could stay as civil and friendly as this one is so far . . .

On the quote above, I could not disagree more. We are not "in casual conversation"--face to face--here.

Our vote in the poll above is anonymous--no fear of p****ng off a neighbor or acquaintance we'd like to keep. There's no reason to cover up in the poll and I think it's accurate.

Most Independents I know dislike both parties (whose tactics are the same), and they are willing to listen and learn from respectful voices from either side.

[Challenger]

I find that most people who tell me that they are Independents will then begin a discourse against one party or the other. I usually ignor their protestations of Independence and try to understand their positions.

[Number 6]

A couple of thoughts. Caroline Kennedy spoke at the Savannah Center during the 2008 election in support of Obama. Well, I had to put down Independent because there is no place to put Libertarian. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservetive. If you find yourself in agreement, you just may be a Libertarian. Try taking this quiz;
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

[tony]

Posts that appear to attempt to turn this thread political are being removed. The original poster asked, twice, to please not turn it political. In this case, we are trying to keep it to the poll.

Also, posts that are quoting the poll results are being removed. People who want to see the results can click on the link and look. We really are trying to keep the poll as valid as it can be.

[logdog]

I didn't even think of including Libertarians since I thought they easily fit the liberal category, ditto Tea Party/Republican.

I also put down Independent but I'm a Libertarian who strongly supports the Tea Party. Libertarians believe in small government which used to be a tenet of the Republican party. We do not subscribe to the liberal agenda of a welfare/nanny state.

[Russ_Boston]

The original poster asked, twice, to please not turn it political. In this case, we are trying to keep it to the poll.

Good luck with that!:popcorn:

[Talk Host]

I sure am glad Tony is riding herd on this. I can't tell which is and which isn't. :loco:

[Larryandlinda]

Good luck with that!:popcorn:

Yep, it was a great idea that seemed to be working!
for the inquiring minds, Why not throw the ones deemed politically charged to the political thread forum of cyber landfill?

by the way, the calls on those can be tough, grey not black and white, but most of would agree the first few pages went along with Red's guidelines?

And while it's up to the two admins, puttting those issues before a peer review is out of the question, but maybe someone could open up the debate arena in political for those that care.
We are fine the way it is (or at least was)
Even though we are in more than one, we chose the most appropriate.
Card counters who have their eyes fixed on the screen 24/7 might be able to 'figure' out who's in where,for those that care

L and L

[redwitch]

Tony and Jan -- thank you so much for understanding my intent and not removing all of this to political. It is so very, very much appreciated.

Had I thought about it, I would have added Libertarian, but it's too late now. I'm sorry, folks.

[Taj44]

I also put down Independent but I'm a Libertarian who strongly supports the Tea Party. Libertarians believe in small government which used to be a tenet of the Republican party. We do not subscribe to the liberal agenda of a welfare/nanny state.

I'm a liberal and I find your charactarization of the liberal agenda to be completely off base and frankly completely un-informed. Of course I see most Tea partiers as un-encumbered by facts.

[Taj44]

A couple of thoughts. Caroline Kennedy spoke at the Savannah Center during the 2008 election in support of Obama. ...

Thanks, I had forgotten that speaker. Half of the problem is, the Daily Sun has huge headlines when some conservative like Glenn Beck visits The Villages - its like the coming of Christ. When Alex Sink or Caroline Kennedy visits - maybe a few lines, or a small article on the inner pages.

[another Linda]

I'm a registered Democrat but would have no trouble voting for anyone who represented my views. I've always considered myself 'somewhat' left of center but I too feel the center has shifted. Sometimes I feel I'm no where near center now. I don't try to hide my views, but I really dislike political 'discussions.' I also get sick of defending myself. I am not un-American, have served in the Army (as have my husband and 1son), am a practicing Catholic, and I could go on.

[redwitch]

I didn't even know Caroline Kennedy had been here. What a shame. I would have loved to have heard her speak and hear her views on some of the issues.

[Tweety Bird]

I am an independent, and while I respect your opinion, I feel I stand for what I believe is right, not what any party or group tells me is right. Sometimes I think like a Republican, and other times like a Democrat, and then sometimes like neither.

Party lines are starting to make me sick. They are divisive and break up families as well as constitute who your friends are. Certain party lines are divided into conservative or more liberal churches. Certain churches lean toward certain party lines. Because they are RIGHT??? So what do we do? Only open your mouth with like-minded people so you can freely bash the other side? Yeah...go team go!!!! Kill em'...bash em'! Lovely Christian mentalities out there. One particular party line gets very nasty toward the other. Other party lines get preachy IN PUBLIC!!!

[eweissenbach]

Party lines are starting to make me sick. They are divisive and break up families as well as constitute who your friends are. Certain party lines are divided into conservative or more liberal churches. Certain churches lean toward certain party lines. Because they are RIGHT??? So what do we do? Only open your mouth with like-minded people so you can freely bash the other side? Yeah...go team go!!!! Kill em'...bash em'! Lovely Christian mentalities out there. One particular party line gets very nasty toward the other. Other party lines get preachy IN PUBLIC!!!

WHAT YOU SAID! :agree:

[ilovetv]

Party lines are starting to make me sick. They are divisive and break up families as well as constitute who your friends are. Certain party lines are divided into conservative or more liberal churches. Certain churches lean toward certain party lines. Because they are RIGHT??? So what do we do? Only open your mouth with like-minded people so you can freely bash the other side? Yeah...go team go!!!! Kill em'...bash em'! Lovely Christian mentalities out there. One particular party line gets very nasty toward the other. Other party lines get preachy IN PUBLIC!!!

The divisiveness of party lines is getting worse, and it always boils down to this now:

"Someone's gotta win, and someone's gotta lose."

This is what we've been seeing lately: Don't debate and above all, never "agree to disagree".....just throw lye on those of the other side and blister their face. Shut them down. Napalm the cr*p out of 'em. Silence them. Get them off the airwaves.

But the problems is, in the United States of America, as a NATION we're all supposed to be on the same team!

While one party or the other might be "winning" (keeping power and control at any cost), a whole lot of destruction of the "UNITED" States as a nation is going on. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

And our enemies are there waiting, salivating, just licking their chops and waiting for the right time to pounce with another 9-11 or worse.

[rubicon]

The divisiveness of party lines is getting worse, and it always boils down to this now:

"Someone's gotta win, and someone's gotta lose."

This is what we've been seeing lately: Don't debate and above all, never "agree to disagree".....just throw lye on those of the other side and blister their face. Shut them down. Napalm the cr*p out of 'em. Silence them. Get them off the airwaves.

But the problems is, in the United States of America, as a NATION we're all supposed to be on the same team!

While one party or the other might be "winning" (keeping power and control at any cost), a whole lot of destruction of the "UNITED" States as a nation is going on. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

And our enemies are there waiting, salivating, just licking their chops and waiting for the right time to pounce with another 9-11 or worse.

It hasn't changed since 1776 for the most part.

[skyguy79]

I agree for the most part with what's being said here. I hope those saying it now were also saying it during the two year period where only one side had complete power without checks and balances, then used it to operate with a "you gotta pass the bill to know what's in it!" attitude and what its results brought about. With that type of power you gotta expect that you're going to see some political payback, when unthetered control comes to an end, just to make the playing field even again. And don't think that this is a one sided statement; it would happen no matter which party would have full and absolute control!

[eweissenbach]

It hasn't changed since 1776 for the most part.

I have to disagree. True there has been contentiousness and disagreement since the beginning of the nation, but the vitriol has taken on a new level of ugliness in the last 10 years or so. Representatives of either party are unable to think, speak, and act with an independent voice for fear of being ostracized by their party leaders and voted out by the electorate. The result is a government that can hardly get anything done for the good of the people, and instead simply exists to be re-elected. A pox on both thier houses.

[Hancle704]

Had enough? Then join the chorus who will not vote for an incumbant. Eventually they will get the message, it's about us and not about them anymore.

[kandj]

10 years or so?? I think not!

I think back to when Clinton first ran and all the hatred I heard. Then more of the same since against him, then GW Bush.

I no longer align myself to either of the parties because I can't stand the malicious attacks from either party. One thing that has annoyed me in the last 20 or less years has been how biased the media has become. What ever happened to the Walter Cronkites?

I also wonder if Clinton had been president in the 50's/60's is he would ever had been tried for his actions with Monica?

[skyguy79]

I also wonder if Clinton had been president in the 50's/60's is he would ever had been tried for his actions with Monica?I'm sure you mean't similar actions with a different aid. Monica Lewinski wasn't born until 7/23/73!

[Tweety Bird]

10 years or so?? I think not!

I think back to when Clinton first ran and all the hatred I heard. Then more of the same since against him, then GW Bush.

I no longer align myself to either of the parties because I can't stand the malicious attacks from either party. One thing that has annoyed me in the last 20 or less years has been how biased the media has become. What ever happened to the Walter Cronkites?

I also wonder if Clinton had been president in the 50's/60's is he would ever had been tried for his actions with Monica?

Clinton was a darn good president. He still is a GREAT! Whatever happens on top of the desk is more important than what happens under the desk.

[Challenger]

I read frequently in TOYV that TV is overwhelmingly Republican/Conservative/Tea Party. In reading the most recent statistics in this thread I find that Republicans are only 36%- Dems and Libs=33% and Independants are Independents= 31%. Where is this majority of right wingers that I hear about so often? :confused:

[skyguy79]

I read frequently in TOYV that TV is overwhelmingly Republican/Conservative/Tea Party. In reading the most recent statistics in this thread I find that Republicans are only 36%- Dems and Libs=33% and Independants are Independents= 31%. Where is this majority of right wingers that I hear about so often? :confused:It may be that you're not seeing an overwhelming number of "right-wingers" because the figures are a bit skewed by the lack of their being a conservative choice, whereas there is their counterpart - liberal.

How this could skew the figures is... if a conservative does not feel they can support the republican position, they may chose to indicate that they're independent. On the other hand liberals who feel similar about democrats have their choice available without moving to the independant catagory.

I could be wrong, but don't think we would find out for sure unless a new poll was created, and I'm not about to do that and again recycle this same old discussion for yet a third time!

[ssmith]

ooor perhaps the republicans are not on TOTV or maybe the demographic of TV is changing

[playfair]

I'm glad to see this poll. Too many Republicans are deluding themselves, thinking there are not many Democrats here. Most are quiet because of the developer's authoritarian political control - most recently witnessed by the supression of free speech at the state budget signing at Lake Sumpter Landing. Sumter county law enforcement ordered protesting Democrats to move away from the main area of the square. I don't think they had the legal authority to make the protesters move. They were well behaved and simply holding signs to support their viewpoints. I'd love to see a good attorney step forward and explain why this was a violation of free speech!! This occurred on public property. I want law enforcement to cite the law these people were violating!!

Comments welcome. Would like to see if others agree with me. The morally bankrupt tactics of the developer and his minnions has to be challenged.

[ilovetv]

I'm glad to see this poll. Too many Republicans are deluding themselves, thinking there are not many Democrats here.

I'm glad to see this poll, too, to know that there is a significant number of voters who are independent thinkers who do not just vote "D" or "R" blindfolded, with The Party being the only criteria for voting.

To the above quote by playfair, I'd respond that it is hardly "liberal" (open-minded and tolerant of others not like yourself) to stereotype all Republicans and conservatives in TV as "minions" of the Republican developer. As the poll above shows, there are many people here in TV and on TOTV who are not minions--"servile dependents"--of a party or politician like the current governor.