RSV vaccine

[Velvet]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

[Altavia]

Yes, had similar affects as with a flu shot. Sore arm and a little achey the day after.

It's ok to take with the flu shot if you don't mind both arms being sore.

Best to talk to your Doc first, as with any vaccine, there have been a few adverse affects reported.

Should You Get the New RSV Vaccine? > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/should-you-get-the-new-rsv-vaccine)

[Stu from NYC]

We have DR appt in two weeks and plan to discuss that with her.

[JoMar]

Discussed with my PCP. Got both RSV and Flu shot today at Publix. Also picked up donuts and cottage cheese at the same time. What a productive morning :)

[JohnN]

My doc suggested it, I researched it, and got it a week ago at Publix.
United Healthcare covers it 100%.
Easy peezy.

[Cybersprings]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.


Already popping the popcorn. To the pleasure of many, I may just sit out and just watch this thread.

[Bjeanj]

I talked to both my family doctor and pulmonologist about this vaccine, and both said it was a good idea. My pulmonologist told me that during COVID, when they were testing people, they found that RSV was more prevalent than they thought.

[golfing eagles]

Already popping the popcorn. To the pleasure of many, I may just sit out and just watch this thread.

I'm pleased already :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But seriously, so far I like this thread. Everyone seems to have discussed it with their own doctor and taken the professional advice. No one (yet) has bragged about how they "did they own research" and "made their own decision". No one has tried to compare this new RSV vaccine with the controversy over mRNA vaccines. Of course, I'm not holding my breath.......

[Cybersprings]

I'm pleased already :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But seriously, so far I like this thread. Everyone seems to have discussed it with their own doctor and taken the professional advice. No one (yet) has bragged about how they "did they own research" and "made their own decision". No one has tried to compare this new RSV vaccine with the controversy over mRNA vaccines. Of course, I'm not holding my breath.......

Touche' but dammit you over came my resistance to posting.
Please try to ignore my long history of sarcasm and take these as a serioius questions. I truly have no idea what the answers are.
You had a full career as a doctor. The RSV vaccine is new, but I am guessing RSV is not.

So, how much education would the average family doctor have received in the last year or two on RSV and the vaccine?
Do they go back and take classes on it?
Or do they do their own research?
What research materials do they have access to that the average person does not as a result of their professional status?
If one doctor tells their patient "RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. You are in excellent health and have no co-morbidities that would cause you to be at increased risk other than being 60, therefore lets wait a couple of years before you get the vaccine and make sure it is truly safe over the long run" and another Dr. said
Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus, or RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. But better safe than sorry.
Would they both be right? Or would a doctor never make one of those two statements?

[Stu from NYC]

Touche' but dammit you over came my resistance to posting.
Please try to ignore my long history of sarcasm and take these as a serioius questions. I truly have no idea what the answers are.
You had a full career as a doctor. The RSV vaccine is new, but I am guessing RSV is not.

So, how much education would the average family doctor have received in the last year or two on RSV and the vaccine?
Do they go back and take classes on it?
Or do they do their own research?
What research materials do they have access to that the average person does not as a result of their professional status?
If one doctor tells their patient "RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. You are in excellent health and have no co-morbidities that would cause you to be at increased risk other than being 60, therefore lets wait a couple of years before you get the vaccine and make sure it is truly safe over the long run" and another Dr. said
Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus, or RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. But better safe than sorry.
Would they both be right? Or would a doctor never make one of those two statements?

Good post and waiting for Golfing Eagles to respond. Would like to ask him another question. Have you or members of your family gotten the vaccine so far or are you planning too? As I mentioned earlier in this thread it is a question to ask of our doctor later this month at our next appt.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The vaccine isn't new. The earliest versions of the vaccine were unsuccessful and actually lethal in a few cases, and that was in the 1960's. There were other unsuccessful attempts on both adults and children vaccines. Several attempts over a few decades, with new information being utilized to improve on the previous version, from different scientists, and different laboratories, and completely different studies with different patients.

The current version is the result of a vaccine study that was supposed to begin in 2019, but then COVID showed up and the race was on to create an emergency vaccine for that, and the RSV vaccine study had to be shelved, after the initial trials had already been completed. The next set of trials for the RSV vaccine started around 2020, by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). Enter - me. I was in that trial. I'm a test subject, a guinea pig for the vaccine. I've had two shots, and was supposed to get a third but the studies proved that a second shot within a 2-year period didn't show enough improvement in odds to warrant that second shot, so they cancelled the third. The first shot was proven effective, and they're going to be testing some of the subjects who received the 2nd shot, somewhere around year 4 to see if subsequent shots are necessary or helpful.

But they were already proven safe, which is why the FDA approved it for use. I just had bloodwork done this week, and will finish out the year with bi-weekly calls starting in October since that's when the main RSV season begins. I get paid for each call, and extra for bloodwork. If I feel like I have a cold, flu, or any related symptoms that I can't attribute to my usual allergies, then I have to go in for a physical and swab, and I get paid for that too.

I -could- get the actual RSV shot any time, now that it's FDA approved. But if I do, then I am automatically disqualified from completing my contribution as a test subject in the trial. I've chosen to finish out the trial, and will likely get the shot next year.

[golfing eagles]

Touche' but dammit you over came my resistance to posting.
Please try to ignore my long history of sarcasm and take these as a serioius questions. I truly have no idea what the answers are.
You had a full career as a doctor. The RSV vaccine is new, but I am guessing RSV is not.

So, how much education would the average family doctor have received in the last year or two on RSV and the vaccine?
Do they go back and take classes on it?
Or do they do their own research?
What research materials do they have access to that the average person does not as a result of their professional status?
If one doctor tells their patient "RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. You are in excellent health and have no co-morbidities that would cause you to be at increased risk other than being 60, therefore lets wait a couple of years before you get the vaccine and make sure it is truly safe over the long run" and another Dr. said
Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus, or RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious. But better safe than sorry.
Would they both be right? Or would a doctor never make one of those two statements?

Good post and waiting for Golfing Eagles to respond. Would like to ask him another question. Have you or members of your family gotten the vaccine so far or are you planning too? As I mentioned earlier in this thread it is a question to ask of our doctor later this month at our next appt.

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.

[asianthree]

I am passing on this vaccine, just as I have all the others. It’s a personal decision, I can make on my own.

[Altavia]

I talked to both my family doctor and pulmonologist about this vaccine, and both said it was a good idea. My pulmonologist told me that during COVID, when they were testing people, they found that RSV was more prevalent than they thought.

Previously, RSV was typically lumped together with other respiratory infections that cause cold-like symptoms.

The Clinical Trial Investigator I worked with mentioned advancements in low cost, rapid, multiplexed molecular testing lead to a linkage between RSV and more serious lower respiratory infections in high risk groups.


RSV in Adults | American Lung Association (https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/rsv/rsv-in-adults)

[GATORBILL66]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.


Get the vaccine, shorten your life!

[golfing eagles]

Get the vaccine, shorten your life!

Really???? And that statement is based on what??????
How about those people for whom the vaccine may save their lives???

Sounds like someone googles anti-vaxxer websites (and actually believes their nonsense enough to repeat it here). Please don't do the members of TOTV a disservice by spouting out crap.

[JohnN]

I'm pleased already :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But seriously, so far I like this thread. Everyone seems to have discussed it with their own doctor and taken the professional advice. No one (yet) has bragged about how they "did they own research" and "made their own decision". No one has tried to compare this new RSV vaccine with the controversy over mRNA vaccines. Of course, I'm not holding my breath.......

PS, you must have missed my post. I did my own research. Part of "making my own decision" is talking to my doc. I tend to make my own choices.
So, you're talking but not thinking if you're including me. ~peace

[MarcStephen]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

RSV apparently is commin among children. Mild symptoms take their course as with any virus.

Talk to your physician about any virus and preventions.

Be very cautious with vaccines and medical recommendations in this current political and big pharma greed climate.

Everyone is entitled to making a personal decision as to how they manage their health. Do what is best for you but research everything before taking any jab.

RSV Treatment and Prevention | American Lung Association (https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/rsv/treatment#:~:text=How%20RSV%20Is%20Treated,to%20gi ve%20to%20your%20child).

[Ellwoodrick]

Not a medical professional just like to read. If your own body does not develop antibodies to protect you is this vaccine suppose to lessen the effects?

Taken from the American Lung Association page:

Understanding RSV in Adults

RSV is a common virus that you have undoubtedly been sick with before. You might not have known that you had RSV because without a lab test to confirm diagnosis, it is typically lumped together with other respiratory infections that cause cold-like symptoms. It is possible to get RSV multiple times, even in the same year, because you do not develop complete immunity to it.

[golfing eagles]

PS, you must have missed my post. I did my own research. Part of "making my own decision" is talking to my doc. I tend to make my own choices.
So, you're talking but not thinking if you're including me. ~peace

Not including you---you did exactly what you should. The post was more directed at those, like during the pandemic, that skipped the physician conversation, did a 5 minute google search and made a bad decision. For many of them, here is the result:

[Mrfriendly]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

Nope

[Villagesgal]

I had rsv last winter. It was awful. I could barely breath, slept most of the day, had to lay flat or could barely breath. It lasted about 18 days. Went to emergency care up north, they confirmed rsv. I was not hospitalized, but told if symptoms got worse to go to the emergency room. Not something I'd ever want to go thru again.

[Andyb]

Already popping the popcorn. To the pleasure of many, I may just sit out and just watch this thread.
Anybody catching a cold? Colds seem to have disappeared?

[BaileyMom]

Last December I caught RSV from our young grandson. I lost my voice for a solid month and sounded hoarse for several months after that. I will be getting vaxxed for RSV and the flu.

[ndf888]

We both got it based on the advice of our PCP. He said it was safe and effective. We only some minor symptoms the day after.

[Altavia]

Anybody catching a cold? Colds seem to have disappeared?

RSV is among a number of virus that cause respiratory infections.

The technology to perform this testing rapidly and cost effectively to help physicians in their diagnosis has been released the past few years.

Here's a chart showing the evolution of most common pathogens detected by the BioFire system the past few months.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends (https://syndromictrends.com/?fbclid=IwAR0AsaY2x3adIgpeTgCNj0hz-Q56Q9pMpkvTxSy3Kd23KBoDTObdezOmmg0)

[Altavia]

Get the vaccine, shorten your life!

Do you take antibiotics?

[Altavia]

Really???? And that statement is based on what??????
How about those people for whom the vaccine may save their lives???

Sounds like someone googles anti-vaxxer websites (and actually believes their nonsense enough to repeat it here). Please don't do the members of TOTV a disservice by spouting out crap.

The same group likely insists on being prescribed antibiotics for viral infections...

Which is doing far more harm than any vaccine.

[mark100]

Yes, my wife and I got it. Slight sore arm for her no effects for me. Ot is recommended for those over 60

[rogerk]

I’m seriously considering getting the RSV vaccination, not just for myself but for the grandkids! Almost lost one to RSV last winter.

[Bogie Shooter]

I’m seriously considering getting the RSV vaccination, not just for myself but for the grandkids! Almost lost one to RSV last winter.

And you have doubts???

[Stu from NYC]

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.

Thank you for your answer, will be discussing with our DR.

[allsport]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

Got it, no symptoms. Got the flu shot at the same time and no problems with either.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.
Think about not getting it.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, had similar affects as with a flu shot. Sore arm and a little achey the day after.

It's ok to take with the flu shot if you don't mind both arms being sore.

Best to talk to your Doc first, as with any vaccine, there have been a few adverse affects reported.

Should You Get the New RSV Vaccine? > News > Yale Medicine (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/should-you-get-the-new-rsv-vaccine)
Sure, I'm going for it.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Do you take antibiotics?
Antibiotics have been extensively tested. Vaccines not so much.

[golfing eagles]

Antibiotics have been extensively tested. Vaccines not so much.

Hmm....you really think that????? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Think about not getting it.
I like the elaborate reason given there for not getting it. Very scientific and well thought out and researched.

[Topspinmo]

Anybody catching a cold? Colds seem to have disappeared?

It called Covid now:confused:

[PugMom]

thank you for a very interesting thread. lots of info, with intelligent comments & Eagle's humor makes it all fall into place. question: do we need to have the shot each year? OBB states she did not need the booster in her experience. do they (Dr's) check titer levels?

[Karmanng]

NOPE When I worked in the ER it mainly was a young childs virus this is all new to me thats its adults too........will never take any more Vaxs.........

[Altavia]

Antibiotics have been extensively tested. Vaccines not so much.

Really? 90% off people who take antibiotics get better. But 80% of people who don't get antibotics get better. A vaccine would never be released with that performance.

Ever heard of antibiotic resistance? Multi drug resistance? Sepsis?

Any idea what damage antibiotics do to your physiology and gut microbiome when taken unnecessary?

[Altavia]

thank you for a very interesting thread. lots of info, with intelligent comments & Eagle's humor makes it all fall into place. question: do we need to have the shot each year? OBB states she did not need the booster in her experience. do they (Dr's) check titer levels?

Still under study but initial evidence is at least two years. The GSK version so far appears to last a little longer.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

thank you for a very interesting thread. lots of info, with intelligent comments & Eagle's humor makes it all fall into place. question: do we need to have the shot each year? OBB states she did not need the booster in her experience. do they (Dr's) check titer levels?

That isn't what I stated. I stated that the second shot did not appear to give enough of a benefit after only one year, to warrant a booster after only one year. That doesn't mean you wouldn't need a booster. It just means they won't recommend a booster after just one year of taking the initial shot.

[JMintzer]

Really? 90% off people who take antibiotics get better. But 80% of people who don't get antibotics get better. A vaccine would never be released with that performance.

Ever heard of antibiotic resistance? Multi drug resistance? Sepsis?

Any idea what damage antibiotics do to your physiology and gut microbiome when taken unnecessary?

Sepsis is what you get when you DON'T take the proper antibiotics...

And most antibiotic resistance is due to their improper use. ie, when taken unnecessarily...

[Stu from NYC]

Wow the number of doubters of modern medicine.

[JMintzer]

Wow the number of doubters of modern medicine.

Sadly, "Modern Science" has given us many reasons to be doubtful, of late...

[Number 10 GI]

My wife has advanced COPD and our primary doctor advised her to get the RSV shot. I got the flu and RSV vaccine a couple weeks ago to protect my wife. Had no noticeable side effects.

[Stu from NYC]

Sadly, "Modern Science" has given us many reasons to be doubtful, of late...

Not perfect but I am around only due to medical advances over the years.

[Altavia]

Sadly, "Modern Science" has given us many reasons to be doubtful, of late...

Are you sure "science" is the reason?

[JMintzer]

Agree you sure "science" is the reason?

Well, "Trust the Science" -is- the mantra, so...

[JMintzer]

Not perfect but I am around only due to medical advances over the years.

Which is why I used the words, "Of Late"...

[Stu from NYC]

Surprised nobody has piped in that it is caused by man made global warming:boom:

[dhdallas]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

According to the FDA website "Participants will remain in the study through three RSV seasons to assess the duration of effectiveness and the safety and effectiveness of vaccination." The FDA also reports that some patients have had side effects of atrial fibrillation, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare type of inflammation that affects the brain and spinal cord, and Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare disorder in which the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis).

So just like the COVID vaccine, feel free to be another guinea pig for the RSV vaccine roll out. I think I will wait until at least the three RSV seasonal monitoring is complete with more concrete info before I would consider it.

[JMintzer]

Surprised nobody has piped in that it is caused by man made global warming:boom:

Give it time...

[Cybersprings]

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Follow up question. My initial reaction to "product insert" was that it was printed by the drug company, and therefore may not be an objective source of information. Is that an accurate assessment, or is the insert "peer reviewed" or the appropriate term for ensuring that it is 99% objective?

[Cybersprings]

I talked to both my family doctor and pulmonologist about this vaccine, and both said it was a good idea. My pulmonologist told me that during COVID, when they were testing people, they found that RSV was more prevalent than they thought.

This post is NOT directed at you, just using your post as the background.

My take as a layperson is that if you have a pulmonologist, you absolutely need to be in a doctor's office discussing this with them. But what percentage of us have a pulmonolgist, meaning, if we have no lung issues or other major health issues, how important is it that we go make a special appointment with our doctor to discuss this?

[Cybersprings]

The same group likely insists on being prescribed antibiotics for viral infections...

Which is doing far more harm than any vaccine.

No disagreement with your premise about antibiotics. But even if it was the same group (I would think otherwise), unless they are a doctor or steal prescription pads and forge signatures, they have zero ability to actually prescribe themselves any. So who is prescribing them? That would be (some) doctors. But they know it won't help and can be very bad in the long run, and do it anyway. So, they can be influenced to prescribe that which is harmful. Would you assert that only applies to antibiotics and not vaccines which do not have anywhere near the scale of data to determine if they have any serious negative effects over the long term?

[Cybersprings]

Really? 90% off people who take antibiotics get better. But 80% of people who don't get antibotics get better. A vaccine would never be released with that performance.

Ever heard of antibiotic resistance? Multi drug resistance? Sepsis?

Any idea what damage antibiotics do to your physiology and gut microbiome when taken unnecessary?

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

[golfing eagles]

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Follow up question. My initial reaction to "product insert" was that it was printed by the drug company, and therefore may not be an objective source of information. Is that an accurate assessment, or is the insert "peer reviewed" or the appropriate term for ensuring that it is 99% objective?

Usually, the product insert, which is pretty much identical to the info in the PDR is written by the drug company's researchers, doctors and pharmacists, with heavy input from their lawyers. It's accurate and factual, the penalties for falsifying any content are draconian.

[Cybersprings]

Usually, the product insert, which is pretty much identical to the info in the PDR is written by the drug company's researchers, doctors and pharmacists, with heavy input from their lawyers. It's accurate and factual, the penalties for falsifying any content are draconian.

Thank you again.

[Altavia]

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

The over prescription of antibiotics paradox is as much cultural as medical.

Many hospitals and medical associations have helped educate and apply new Antibiotic Stewardship guidelines to diagnose and treat infections. These guidelines have been made to ensure effective treatments are given for bacterial infections and to reduce incorrect use of antibiotics

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/antibiotics/art-20045720

Patients play a part so need to avoid pressuring their health care provider to give an antibiotic prescription. They instead should ask their health care provider for advice on how to treat symptoms.

[Cybersprings]

The over prescription of antibiotics paradox is as much cultural as medical.

Many hospitals and medical associations have helped educate and apply new Antibiotic Stewardship guidelines to diagnose and treat infections. These guidelines have been made to ensure effective treatments are given for bacterial infections and to reduce incorrect use of antibiotics

Antibiotics: Are you misusing them? - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/antibiotics/art-20045720)

Patients play a part so need to avoid pressuring their health care provider to give an antibiotic prescription. They instead should ask their health care provider for advice on how to treat symptoms.

Agreed. Patients should stop pressuring.
Are you asserting based on that article, that doctors prescribing antibiotics when not needed is no longer a problem?
if so, my point is moot.

[Cybersprings]

///

[Altavia]

Agreed. Patients should stop pressuring.
Are you asserting based on that article, that doctors prescribing antibiotics when not needed is no longer a problem?
if so, my point is moot.

Depends on if you think there still could be Doctors who prescribe unecessary antibiotics if a patient insists on a prescription?

[JMintzer]

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

Don't forget the patients, who don't take the antibiotics as prescribed...

I seriously cannot remember the last time a patient actually finished the entire 10 day (or whatever the recommended course) of antibiotics....

Then, they return to the office with a recurrence of the infection...

That also adds to the problem of antibiotic resistant bugs...

[Stu from NYC]

Don't forget the patients, who don't take the antibiotics as prescribed...

I seriously cannot remember the last time a patient actually finished the entire 10 day (or whatever the recommended course) of antibiotics....

Then, they return to the office with a recurrence of the infection...

That also adds to the problem of antibiotic resistant bugs...

I almost always finish the entire course of antibiotics. Will say that if I get 10 days worth and feel fine after say day 4 might well stop at day 7.

[Velvet]

Saw the family doc today he gave me the shot. So far no side effects. Thank you everyone for your insights and advice.

[JMintzer]

I almost always finish the entire course of antibiotics. Will say that if I get 10 days worth and feel fine after say day 4 might well stop at day 7.

Remind me to smack you in the head if we ever meet in real life... :1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

Remind me to smack you in the head if we ever meet in real life... :1rotfl:

I might forget should I write that down?:wave:

[Altavia]

I might forget should I write that down?:wave:

This video from Harvard illustrates the the development of antimicrobial resistance.

At the end of the day, we are destined to become food for bacteria.

https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8?si=n3P4IDq3t0aRdL38

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

According to the FDA website "Participants will remain in the study through three RSV seasons to assess the duration of effectiveness and the safety and effectiveness of vaccination." The FDA also reports that some patients have had side effects of atrial fibrillation, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare type of inflammation that affects the brain and spinal cord, and Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare disorder in which the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis).

So just like the COVID vaccine, feel free to be another guinea pig for the RSV vaccine roll out. I think I will wait until at least the three RSV seasonal monitoring is complete with more concrete info before I would consider it.

First of all, afib is not a big deal, some people get palpatations just by thinking about them. And the study showed that 10 people who got the vaccine had afib, and FOUR people who had the placebo also had it. That's out of 25,000 people total - 12,500 who got the vaccine and 12,500 who got the placebo.

There was a DIFFERENT study, where people got the vaccine PLUS an FDA approved flu vaccine, one right after the other in the same visit. In THAT study, one person got GB, and two people had ADEM. That study had only 2500 people in it total.

So the take-away, to me, is don't get both on the same day, if you get them at all.

[Velvet]

Just an update, for anybody who might be thinking about this vaccine. I feel a little achy, one day after the RSV shot, up and about and later a nice walk, but skipping Mah Jongg today.

[Whitley]

Not including you---you did exactly what you should. The post was more directed at those, like during the pandemic, that skipped the physician conversation, did a 5 minute google search and made a bad decision. For many of them, here is the result:

You seem to exaggerate as much as you accuse others of. It is unfortunate that people can not have a civil conversation without putting down (name calling) the other side.

[Stu from NYC]

This video from Harvard illustrates the the development of antimicrobial resistance.

At the end of the day, we are destined to become food for bacteria.

https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8?si=n3P4IDq3t0aRdL38

In the long run we are going to be dust.

[bcsnave]

I am not Jabbing anyone on their choice to get vacinated. Do your homework, talk to your Dr. and look up the FDA adverse event reports (FAERS). We are a fairly educated population here, time to employ your academic research skill sets.

Nothin' ta' worry 'bout here..."Just Do It"

[golfing eagles]

You seem to exaggerate as much as you accuse others of. It is unfortunate that people can not have a civil conversation without putting down (name calling) the other side.

This is cut and dry. There is only factual enlightenment and ignorance. There IS NO OTHER SIDE. Plus, I have no idea what you are talking about in that post

[Eg_cruz]

I am passing on this vaccine, just as I have all the others. It’s a personal decision, I can make on my own.
Agree

[Stu from NYC]

Our family doctor has recommended to us to get the vaccine and we will.

[RedChariot]

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.

Would you be so kind to let us know the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population as this goes forward? Maybe we might be spared another vaccine considering how many we are taking. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and years of experience. I always look forward to your postings on medical issues

[Altavia]

Would you be so kind to let us know the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population as this goes forward? Maybe we might be spared another vaccine considering how many we are taking. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and years of experience. I always look forward to your postings on medical issues

Death rate for the 65-+ looks similar to flu. The risk may be similar for any respiratory infection for that age group

[Bjeanj]

I’ve read all the comments here, and I did not see anyone commenting about the ramifications of an unvaccinated grandparent unknowingly exposing a grandbaby to RSV. According to the CDC, RSV can cause more severe infections such as bronchiolitis, an inflammation of the small airways in the lung, and pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. Children at greatest risk for severe illness from RSV include the following: Premature infants. Infants up to 12 months, especially those 6 months and younger. Children younger than 2 years with chronic lung disease or congenital (present from birth) heart disease.

I would hate to live knowing I put a baby in the hospital by infecting it with RSV.

[Altavia]

I’ve read all the comments here, and I did not see anyone commenting about the ramifications of an unvaccinated grandparent unknowingly exposing a grandbaby to RSV. According to the CDC, RSV can cause more severe infections such as bronchiolitis, an inflammation of the small airways in the lung, and pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. Children at greatest risk for severe illness from RSV include the following: Premature infants. Infants up to 12 months, especially those 6 months and younger. Children younger than 2 years with chronic lung disease or congenital (present from birth) heart disease.

I would hate to live knowing I put a baby in the hospital by infecting it with RSV.

Protecting others is an important aspect of vaccination.

Unfortunately some people don't care about anyone other themselves. And expect "other people" to be "guinea pigs" and test safety of the drug for them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’ve read all the comments here, and I did not see anyone commenting about the ramifications of an unvaccinated grandparent unknowingly exposing a grandbaby to RSV. According to the CDC, RSV can cause more severe infections such as bronchiolitis, an inflammation of the small airways in the lung, and pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. Children at greatest risk for severe illness from RSV include the following: Premature infants. Infants up to 12 months, especially those 6 months and younger. Children younger than 2 years with chronic lung disease or congenital (present from birth) heart disease.

I would hate to live knowing I put a baby in the hospital by infecting it with RSV.

Oh who cares, really? Grandparents have a right to their freedom. Freedom is more important than their grandchildrens' lives (unless they are still in the womb, then they're more important).

[Djean1981]

Exactly 💯

[RedChariot]

Oh who cares, really? Grandparents have a right to their freedom. Freedom is more important than their grandchildrens' lives (unless they are still in the womb, then they're more important).

This is a joke-right?

[golfing eagles]

Would you be so kind to let us know the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population as this goes forward? Maybe we might be spared another vaccine considering how many we are taking. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and years of experience. I always look forward to your postings on medical issues

This will be a subject that will take some time to evolve and some studies to be performed. In years gone by, RSV was considered an infant disease. I doubt it is "new" in adults, just always lumped in with "URIs" and "the flu" and even a "cold". In clinical medicine, we never really considered it a possible diagnosis in an adult, much less test for it (or if there even was a test). Therefore, we don't have a baseline of adults with RSV to use as a comparison.

My gestalt, for what it is worth, is that if we looked at the average number of total diagnoses of URI, flu, and colds say from 5 years ago, and compare it with the average number of URIs, flu, colds AND RSV say over the next few years the number will be about the same. We'll have to keep an eye out, but remember, in addition to the legitimate studies that will be performed, there are always a bunch of crap studies that find their way onto the internet just to prove one agenda or another.

[Stu from NYC]

Oh who cares, really? Grandparents have a right to their freedom. Freedom is more important than their grandchildrens' lives (unless they are still in the womb, then they're more important).

I really hope this is a joke otherwise sad comment.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is a joke-right?

It's me, parroting the mentality of some members of the community. It is sadly not a joke. Some people actually feel this way.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’ve read all the comments here, and I did not see anyone commenting about the ramifications of an unvaccinated grandparent unknowingly exposing a grandbaby to RSV. According to the CDC, RSV can cause more severe infections such as bronchiolitis, an inflammation of the small airways in the lung, and pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. Children at greatest risk for severe illness from RSV include the following: Premature infants. Infants up to 12 months, especially those 6 months and younger. Children younger than 2 years with chronic lung disease or congenital (present from birth) heart disease.

I would hate to live knowing I put a baby in the hospital by infecting it with RSV.

Protecting others is an important aspect of vaccination.

Unfortunately some people don't care about anyone other themselves. And expect "other people" to be "guinea pigs" and test safety of the drug for them.

Oh who cares, really? Grandparents have a right to their freedom. Freedom is more important than their grandchildrens' lives (unless they are still in the womb, then they're more important).

My comment was an extension of Altavia's comment, which was a response to Bjeanj's comment, for those of you who want to keep up.

[bcsnave]

My comment was an extension of Altavia's comment, which was a response to Bjeanj's comment, for those of you who want to keep up.

Well what do you know about that

[Velvet]

Update: second day after RSV shot, good as gold, back to normal. So side effects so far are similar to what I get after flu shot.

[JMintzer]

This is a joke-right?

No... Just typical ridiculous hyperbole...

[Pugchief]

Oh who cares, really? Grandparents have a right to their freedom. Freedom is more important than their grandchildrens' lives (unless they are still in the womb, then they're more important).

It's me, parroting the mentality of some members of the community. It is sadly not a joke. Some people actually feel this way.

Nice try. You are conflating a legitimate concern about a vaccine that has not been fully tested with disregard for the welfare of others. If only it were so simple. Maybe in your mind it is, but that doesn't mean it is in reality.

[Stu from NYC]

No... Just typical ridiculous hyperbole...

Irregardless of this what do you really mean?

[Altavia]

Nice try. You are conflating a legitimate concern about a vaccine that has not been fully tested with disregard for the welfare of others. If only it were so simple. Maybe in your mind it is, but that doesn't mean it is in reality.

So what does "fully tested" mean to you?

[Pugchief]

So what does "fully tested" mean to you?

Considering that the FDA approved the vaccines just a few months ago, and the recent history of half-truths and outright lies regarding certain viruses and the accompanying vaccines, I wouldn't personally go near that for several years. But certainly everyone should make their own decision after discussing the risk/reward profile with a trusted MD.

[bcsnave]

Considering that the FDA approved the vaccines just a few months ago, and the recent history of half-truths and outright lies regarding certain viruses and the accompanying vaccines, I wouldn't personally go near that for several years. But certainly everyone should make their own decision after discussing the risk/reward profile with a trusted MD.


I like the way you think

[Bjeanj]

This is a joke-right?

Sarcasm doesn’t translate well in writing.

[JMintzer]

Irregardless of this what do you really mean?

Make that two smacks...:p

[Stu from NYC]

Make that two smacks...:p

My second will contact your second.

[bcsnave]

My second will contact your second.

Wait a second, it may take me a second to figure out what you mean about your second contacting his second. I used to be 1st in figuring this stuff out but it now looks as if I will be in second.

[JMintzer]

Wait a second, it may take me a second to figure out what you mean about your second contacting his second. I used to be 1st in figuring this stuff out but it now looks as if I will be in second.

https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/983249/405694_178315385608995_100002916031264_290280_5822 54303_n.jpg

[Stu from NYC]

Wait a second, it may take me a second to figure out what you mean about your second contacting his second. I used to be 1st in figuring this stuff out but it now looks as if I will be in second.

Think of duels between two gentlemen.

[Stu from NYC]

https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/983249/405694_178315385608995_100002916031264_290280_5822 54303_n.jpg

That was my wifes pain management physician but spelled his name Hsu.

[JMintzer]

Think of duels between two gentlemen.

I think you're overestimating both of us... ;)

[kcrazorbackfan]

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

Got the flu, rsv and Covid shots this week - no issues.

[jimjamuser]

This is a joke-right?
Roger that - tongue in cheek.