2023 Flu shots and Covid booster

[billethkid]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

[Bill14564]

Walgreens wanted too much information before showing me availability.

I haven't looked at Publix yet

CVS has a number of appointments available next week.

Since this new formulation is just becoming available it is not really a surprise that appointments are filling quickly. We're planning for mid-October.

[Stu from NYC]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

Are you referring to covid or flu vaccine?

[billethkid]

Are you referring to covid or flu vaccine?

both!

[Stu from NYC]

both!

Surprising did not know the newest covid booster was out yet.

[vlm790]

Got covid and flu vaccine at Publix Lake Deaton this morning

[Bjeanj]

Don’t know about the COVID shot, as I was planning to get it in October, but I was seeing my doctor two weeks ago and they asked if I wanted a flu shot and I said “sure!”. So I did.

[ThirdOfFive]

I see doc in November and will get the flu shot then. Pass on the COVID.

[billethkid]

After talking to the pharmacist at Walgreen's on Paar Drive....he said the pipeline is filling and emptying faster than web site pace.

I told him about the lack of info on their web site..he advised to call 800-925-4733. Just say vaccine schedule they will promptly roll you over to a live person who will locate closest store having what you want and reserving/confirming your appointment. Email and text confirmations received before we were done on the phone.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Unfortunately I need to wait a bit before getting the flu and COVID shots, because I'm currently recovering from surgery to remove a malignant melanoma and taking doxycycline as an infection-preventative. I'll check with the dermatologist tomorrow and ask how long after the antibiotics are done, can I get vaccinated.

I'd also like to go back to donating blood. Skin cancer sucks, folks.

[dhdallas]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

[Donaz1]

I just got the flu shot at my doctors office when I had my 6 month check up.

[GizmoWhiskers]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
Exactly Dhdallas.

Another factor is in the US we now have 170 countries being introduced into the "melting pot" at a tune of thousands per day so that brings with it "variants" of other fun stuff so which vaccine takes out which diseases these days? Can't forget to mention our newly arrived "Acturus" covid with pink eye. Thinking a permanant portal for vaccine injections would make all this easier if The Villages can keep up with stocking vaccines.

[Cobullymom]

Not on my list of worries, I'll pass on both. And no lectures, I'm a retired nurse of 28+ years and never took any then. I'm still here...work on your own immune system, it works.

[TheWarriors]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

Agree, never again.

[bowlingal]

what about about Walmart pharmacy? or your primary doc?

[Stu from NYC]

Well we have had vaccines and boosters and got covid twice but both mild cases.

Until my doctor says no will continue

[Altavia]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

So you as a self claimed (missinformed) medical professional are advising others to wait for 12-15 years while the vaccine is tested on "other" people?

How many "other" people do you want to be a guinea pig for 12-15 years to test a vaccine for you?

[nancymiller217@yahoo.com]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

If I were to consider any Covid shot, it would be Novavax, which used the technology of flu shots, not mRNA technology.

[ThirdOfFive]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
Very well said. The differentiation between "anti-vaxxer" and "anti-COVID vaxxer" is spot on. My guess is that 95% or more of folks who have decided not to take the COVID vaccine or booster, happily and faithfully get their pneumonia, flu and shingles vaccines. I know I do. Then again, if your intent is to spread fear, you're going to adopt the broad brush approach. Easier for The Faithful to remember a two-word invented invented slogan than the actual facts, I guess.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Pass on both. No chance I'd let these people get near me. You get the shots, the boosters and wear a mask, yet think you are protected, then you get sick anyway. What does that tell you? Boosters, boosters, boosters. All you are doing is boosting their profits. It's a sham.

[Mrmean58]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
I'm right there with you. I'm going to pass on the COVID booster since the last one I got brought on onset osteo arthritis in all my large joints. Not getting the flu shot this year nor the RSV vaccine when it comes out. Going to continue eating healthy, get plenty of sleep and exercise every day.

[Remembergoldenrule]

Just so everyone knows, it takes TWO weeks AFTER shot for either the flu or COVID shot to become effective. Just saying don’t wait too long because flu is already appearing in schools.

[Altavia]

Pass on both. No chance I'd let these people get near me. You get the shots, the boosters and wear a mask, yet think you are protected, then you get sick anyway. What does that tell you? Boosters, boosters, boosters. All you are doing is boosting their profits. It's a sham.

Remember when hospitals were full of people drowning on their own body fluids?

Heard of long COVID?

You should be thanking the nine billion people who accepted the vaccine and protected you rather than disrespecting their decision.

[Susan1717]

I am with ya! I have never had a flu shot or covid, and not had the flu in 20 years. Too many friends get the flu shot and still get sick. I take the right vitamins and eat healthy, no sugar. Best policy for me is to keep up my immunity. Everyone’s different tho.

[JerseyGurl]

Booked my flu and pneumonia shots next week at Walgreens Parr Drive. Lots of open appointments at Villages Walgreens.

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Disrespecting ? It's a choice to take the jab. I will not put that poison in my body because it is a poison. I am fully vaccinated by the one who gave his life for our sins. Respect that and move on.

[kbogli]

We had no problem booking an appt at Walgreens, with many time slot available. Yesterday and got the shot same day. Flu, Covid and RSV were all offered. Really if you want to get any of them just do whats right for yourself

[merrymini]

Where is the information on the clinical trials from the millions of people who have already been vaccinated? We were the guinea pigs but no one is coming clean about side effects of efficacies of the vaccines we have already been given. After all, the drug companies have been given immunity from fault. What do they have to lose if the statistics tell the story to the public? Future income, that is what they risk. By keeping you uninformed, they can continue to fill your body with their drugs forever. I am not buying it.

[easeonby]

You are absolutely correct, these covid vaccines should raise a red flag with everyone, not approved, not tested, cannot sue the drug companies for anything. RED FLAG! To many people are so easy to be mislead, tell them the same lies often enough and they believe it it true. The facts about covid vaccines has changed so many times that you could write a 10,000 page book about it, and then incompetent Fauci, Mr Flip Flop is definitely someone not to believe in.

[maistocars]

Not on my list of worries, I'll pass on both. And no lectures, I'm a retired nurse of 28+ years and never took any then. I'm still here...work on your own immune system, it works.
Sound advice. Amen to that!

[Regorp]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

No thank you. For obvious reasons.

[Villagevip]

Check out the truther channels on Bitchute..."And we Know", "X22report", "Stew Peters", many more...So thanks to God, there are still a few pure bloods in T.V.....

[midiwiz]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

is this a national emergency??? just asking for a friend

[waterflower]

Beacause they don't prevent any thing. These will end soon

[jswirs]

Not on my list of worries, I'll pass on both. And no lectures, I'm a retired nurse of 28+ years and never took any then. I'm still here...work on your own immune system, it works.

I've been saying this for years, great advice!

[jswirs]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
Well stated, thanks for posting.

[Shelby62]

Not on my list of worries, I'll pass on both. And no lectures, I'm a retired nurse of 28+ years and never took any then. I'm still here...work on your own immune system, it works.

Agree indeed.
To become aware, explore the Open VAERS system, which was developed in 1990 and is our national vaccine safety surveillance program.
VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
You cannot ignore these staggering numbers, especially when they account for only 1% of adverse events from the Covid vaccines. Our Dr has reported many adverse events through this system. As of September 8, 2023, 1,592,259 adverse events. And, that's 1%.
Home - OpenVAERS (https://openvaers.com/)

[Stu from NYC]

Beacause they don't prevent any thing. These will end soon

They do not prevent covid but both my wife and I had mild cases both times we caught it. Did not wind up in hospital or dead so take that as a plus.

Have not gotten the flu since we started taking the vaccine so another in the plus column for us.

[JMintzer]

They do not prevent covid but both my wife and I had mild cases both times we caught it. Did not wind up in hospital or dead so take that as a plus.

Have not gotten the flu since we started taking the vaccine so another in the plus column for us.

I barely knew I had Covid when I caught it 11 months before the vaccines were available...

But that's just anecdotal evidence... Just like yours...

Oh, and the covid vax offers ZERO protection against the flu...

[golfjuly11]

Agree indeed.
To become aware, explore the Open VAERS system, which was developed in 1990 and is our national vaccine safety surveillance program.
VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
You cannot ignore these staggering numbers, especially when they account for only 1% of adverse events from the Covid vaccines. Our Dr has reported many adverse events through this system. As of September 8, 2023, 1,592,259 adverse events. And, that's 1%.
Home - OpenVAERS (https://openvaers.com/)
Have been surveilling this surveillance program since the rollout of the Covid 19 experimental "vaccinations." Even more frightening than these high amounts of reported adverse events is the fact that they are grossly underreported.

[Bill14564]

Have been surveilling this surveillance program since the rollout of the Covid 19 experimental "vaccinations." Even more frightening than these high amounts of reported adverse events is the fact that they are grossly underreported.

Don't forget the death reported as a Covid adverse effect when the patient chose to stop dialysis treatments. Or, the death of the pet dog reported as a Covid adverse effect. Yes, both are/were in there.

VAERS could be a useful tool but with anti-vaxers it has become more a case of garbage-in / garbage-out for Covid reports.

[ndf888]

You can schedule an appointment on the CVS web site for today or later on. You may have to go to Wildwood or another location outside the villages though.

[bcsnave]

Just saying

[derkster]

You should be thankful they are out of the fake vaccines. Stop be a lab test animal and keep your natural immunity intact.

[MillerD]

Hi. We just called Publix at Magnolia. They have cancelled our 9/26 appts for the Covid booster. They said they only received 30 shots. The manufacturer has not ramped up manufacturing yet and they don't know when they will. She said it's a flash back to 2020.

[Karmanng]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

WHO CARES? those shots are all garbage in your system Never again flu shots for me either .................

[Karmanng]

Well we have had vaccines and boosters and got covid twice but both mild cases.

Until my doctor says no will continue

NO covid jab No covid those that get jabs have gotten covid more than once BTW what does that tell ya? BTW Coronoviruses are colds been a round over 50 years NO CURE....your best to take Vitamins amp up your immune system............geezzzz sheeples

[Karmanng]

So you as a self claimed (missinformed) medical professional are advising others to wait for 12-15 years while the vaccine is tested on "other" people?

How many "other" people do you want to be a guinea pig for 12-15 years to test a vaccine for you?


I agree with First poster.........Coronoviruse is a cold every year when school starts kids gets cold I know I did!!! NO SHOT for those ever.......Give it a rest do not comply with this garbage jab........it is a killer whether you want to believe it and I do believe I know over 22 people that died shortly after that jab all age ranges too........its a early death sentence

[Karmanng]

Pass on both. No chance I'd let these people get near me. You get the shots, the boosters and wear a mask, yet think you are protected, then you get sick anyway. What does that tell you? Boosters, boosters, boosters. All you are doing is boosting their profits. It's a sham.

Well said and I agree with you......no jab here = NO covid either

[Velvet]

So just out of curiosity, for those who doubt the Covid vaccine. Do you think that that every national medical establishment in EVERY country in the world who recommends the vaccine, is duped by big pharma, or does it only apply to the US?

[GoRedSox!]

I believe this is America and people can make their own choices. So I am only going to speak for what I am going to do and why, not make any recommendations to anyone else that I am totally unqualified to do since I'm not a doctor or scientist.

My doctors have all recommended getting the new vaccine. They are all taking it themselves. Rather than listening to politicized advice from non-doctors on social media, I trust my doctors and will follow their advice. I am also getting the flu and RSV vaccine.

Florida has the highest per capita COVID hospitalization rate in the country right now, if you believe in data.

[Stu from NYC]

NO covid jab No covid those that get jabs have gotten covid more than once BTW what does that tell ya? BTW Coronoviruses are colds been a round over 50 years NO CURE....your best to take Vitamins amp up your immune system............geezzzz sheeples

So where did you get your medical training from? Do take vitamins and eat a healthy diet but do feel the vaccines have helped us and will continue to take them no matter what no it all say.

[rwcw]

Hi. We just called Publix at Magnolia. They have cancelled our 9/26 appts for the Covid booster. They said they only received 30 shots. The manufacturer has not ramped up manufacturing yet and they don't know when they will. She said it's a flash back to 2020.

Wife an I got Covid shot today and flu shot Saturday at Colony Punic

[Vermilion Villager]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

I'm getting mine today at CVS in Leesburg. I too tried Walgreens and they were sold out. Significant other went online just now and got an appointment for Tuesday at Walgreens by Rohan so they must be getting a new batch.
To all the anti-VAXer's who are passing on their shots we both say… THANK YOU!!!!:mademyday::thumbup:

[Red Rose]

My husband and I received a flu shot at Winn Dixie in Lake Sumter today as walk-Ins.

[Red Rose]

Unfortunately I need to wait a bit before getting the flu and COVID shots, because I'm currently recovering from surgery to remove a malignant melanoma and taking doxycycline as an infection-preventative. I'll check with the dermatologist tomorrow and ask how long after the antibiotics are done, can I get vaccinated.

I'd also like to go back to donating blood. Skin cancer sucks, folks.


Get well soon!! 🙏🙏

[jimjamuser]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
If someone were a Russian propaganda troll - would NOT COVID and getting COVID shots be an excellent way to divide (and conquer) America? Just start a rumor that they were developed too quickly.

[Djean1981]

Exactly 💯

[Keefelane66]

I believe this is America and people can make their own choices. So I am only going to speak for what I am going to do and why, not make any recommendations to anyone else that I am totally unqualified to do since I'm not a doctor or scientist.

My doctors have all recommended getting the new vaccine. They are all taking it themselves. Rather than listening to politicized advice from non-doctors on social media, I trust my doctors and will follow their advice. I am also getting the flu and RSV vaccine.

Florida has the highest per capita COVID hospitalization rate in the country right now, if you believe in data.
“TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The warning from Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration against getting Covid boosters couldn’t have come at a worse time.

DeSantis’ hand-picked surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, last Wednesday urged people under 65 not to get the newly approved mRNA-boosters, just days after Florida ranked first in the nation for Covid-related hospitalizations.”

[jimjamuser]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.
EVERY man or woman in the US that is 60 years old or older has A LOT to fear from COVID. It could kill them. It has a HISTORY of killing older people. I for one will take a shot RECOMMENDED by Medical Experts rather than wrestle with a killer like COVID.
......It is just the same as........ would I walk around Kodiac bear-infested Alaska without a large caliber rifle.....NO. The only difference with COVID is that the BEAR in this case is so small as to be invisible. But, it is all around us and the large caliber rifle that defeats it is the COVID shot.

[jimjamuser]

Just so everyone knows, it takes TWO weeks AFTER shot for either the flu or COVID shot to become effective. Just saying don’t wait too long because flu is already appearing in schools.
Good advice!

[jebartle]

I'm not even going to pretend to know more than the FDA or my doctor, he's getting the shots and so am I. This should not be based on social media or politics. It's science.

[Altavia]

So where did you get your medical training from? Do take vitamins and eat a healthy diet but do feel the vaccines have helped us and will continue to take them no matter what no it all say.

It's revenge of the D students.

Ironic part is the +70% vaccinated they insult helped save those who wouldn't.

[jimjamuser]

You are absolutely correct, these covid vaccines should raise a red flag with everyone, not approved, not tested, cannot sue the drug companies for anything. RED FLAG! To many people are so easy to be mislead, tell them the same lies often enough and they believe it it true. The facts about covid vaccines has changed so many times that you could write a 10,000 page book about it, and then incompetent Fauci, Mr Flip Flop is definitely someone not to believe in.
At least Dr. Fauci never recommended putting ultraviolet light inside a person's body.

[jimjamuser]

Check out the truther channels on Bitchute..."And we Know", "X22report", "Stew Peters", many more...So thanks to God, there are still a few pure bloods in T.V.....
Funny.....none of those names means anything to me. Must be from Earth-2.

[jimjamuser]

Beacause they don't prevent any thing. These will end soon
"These will end soon". I am curious as to "these" WHAT?

[Pugchief]

They do not prevent covid but both my wife and I had mild cases both times we caught it. Did not wind up in hospital or dead so take that as a plus.



How do you know those cases wouldn't have been mild anyway, even without the jab?
You don't. You just assume that's the case.

[Pugchief]

Ironic part is the +70% vaccinated they insult helped save those who wouldn't.

That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

[bcsnave]

I'm not even going to pretend to know more than the FDA or my doctor, he's getting the shots and so am I. This should not be based on social media or politics. It's science.

Lets's all investigate the information/science. First look at the efficay of the vaccine. Does it prevent getting the virus? Do the mulitple boosters prevent gettign the virus?

What are the adverse events? Myocarditis and Pericarditis? Blood clotting? Anaphylaxis? Guillain-Barre Syndrome? Thrombosis?

Even the former vice president of Pfiser Michael Yeadon ( after he spent 16 years as an allergy and respiratory researcher) does not support the vaccines.

Also investgate the W.H.O. reports of blood clots and abnormal bleeding in recipients of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine.

Let's not forget that the SCIENTIFIC process, an iterative process, that uses the repeated acquisition and testing of data to disprove hypotheses.

[Tblue]

“TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The warning from Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration against getting Covid boosters couldn’t have come at a worse time.

DeSantis’ hand-picked surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, last Wednesday urged people under 65 not to get the newly approved mRNA-boosters, just days after Florida ranked first in the nation for Covid-related hospitalizations.”
Florida ranked first in the nation for COVID-related hospitalizations........ so who is being hospitalized the vaccinated or the non vaccinated?

[bcsnave]

How do you know those cases wouldn't have been mild anyway, even without the jab?
You don't. You just assume that's the case.

I have a sister-in-law that just had COVID again. She has been vaxed, 2 shots, and 4 boosters. How did she get it again?

My wife and I did not get the "Clot Shot" and never have never had Covid. ...hmmmm. Also look at the increase in sudden deaths and young athletes that are having issues.

[jimjamuser]

So just out of curiosity, for those who doubt the Covid vaccine. Do you think that that every national medical establishment in EVERY country in the world who recommends the vaccine, is duped by big pharma, or does it only apply to the US?
That's the way to throw a log OF LOGIC onto the fire of confusion and misunderstanding!

[jimjamuser]

I believe this is America and people can make their own choices. So I am only going to speak for what I am going to do and why, not make any recommendations to anyone else that I am totally unqualified to do since I'm not a doctor or scientist.

My doctors have all recommended getting the new vaccine. They are all taking it themselves. Rather than listening to politicized advice from non-doctors on social media, I trust my doctors and will follow their advice. I am also getting the flu and RSV vaccine.

Florida has the highest per capita COVID hospitalization rate in the country right now, if you believe in data.
More LOGIC thrown on the fire. See the flames of truth climbing up brightly.

[Pugchief]

Florida ranked first in the nation for COVID-related hospitalizations........ so who is being hospitalized the vaccinated or the non vaccinated?

Presumably primarily those with co-morbidities including obesity, diabetes and advanced age rather than anything to do with vaccination status.

Since FL has the highest percentage of elderly, it might be a reason for lots of hospitalizations.

If you have data claiming otherwise, please provide it.

[jimjamuser]

How do you know those cases wouldn't have been mild anyway, even without the jab?
You don't. You just assume that's the case.
At least THAT assumption has some science behind it.

[Just jimmy]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

Why don’t you get them from your doctor??

[Bogie Shooter]

And the beat goes in……….

[JMintzer]

At least Dr. Fauci never recommended putting ultraviolet light inside a person's body.

Which is an actual therapy...

UVA Light Reduced Virus Loads in COVID-19 Patients (https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-seen-in-covid-19-patients-treated-with-uva-light/)

[jimjamuser]

That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.
When each person gets the vaccine they are doing the rest of society a favor because that is one less person available to SPREAD the disease.

[JMintzer]

When each person gets the vaccine they are doing the rest of society a favor because that is one less person available to SPREAD the disease.

False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

[billethkid]

is this a national emergency??? just asking for a friend

NO!

[UpNorth]

Follow the money. Now that Pfizer and Moderna have made billions off of government purchases, the FDA now does not object to the use of Ivermectin as an off-label prescription for treatment of Covid.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I got the flu, rsv and Covid shots at Walgreens this week.

[Altavia]

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[Altavia]

That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

No one said it "prevents" transmission.

Reducing transmission, having fewer sick people with less severe disease obviously reduced risk for everyone.

Once vaccination rates approached 50%, viral loads in the vaccinated who tested positive were up to 50% lower and for a shorter period of time than the vaccinated.

Also at that time, for every ten hospitalized for COVID, nine were unvaccinated.

Rechecking my recollection:

COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235)

"Findings

In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.

Meaning

The study results suggest that COVID-19 vaccines are strongly associated with prevention of serious COVID-19 illness."

...
Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study... (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext)


"Vaccination was found to be effective in reducing household transmission of the alpha variant (B.1.1.7) by 40–50%,1 and infected, vaccinated individuals had lower viral load in the upper respiratory tract (URT) than infections in unvaccinated individuals,"

[Bill14564]

False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

But it does reduce the transmission. Not much in this world is 100% effective; implying the vaccine is worthless because it is not 100% effective is disingenuous at best.

[Bill14564]

That is patently false.

Since the vax does not prevent transmission, other people being vaxxed has ZERO effect on everybody else.

Less than 100% but MUCH greater than zero.

[Altavia]

False. It doesn't prevent transmission...

How about reduces transmission.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.

Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.



Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths.

Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections.

[Keefelane66]

Follow the money. Now that Pfizer and Moderna have made billions off of government purchases, the FDA now does not object to the use of Ivermectin as an off-label prescription for treatment of Covid.
“ Fact Check-Ivermectin still not FDA-approved to treat COVID”

[GoRedSox!]

Even the initial Polio vaccine was 85-90% effective, not 100%. It basically eradicated a devastating virus and it certainly was not tested for 10-12 years.

[Stu from NYC]

I got the flu, rsv and Covid shots at Walgreens this week.

I have heard it is best to spread them out some. Did you have any immediate side effects?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Follow the money. Now that Pfizer and Moderna have made billions off of government purchases, the FDA now does not object to the use of Ivermectin as an off-label prescription for treatment of Covid.

That is, and was already, patently untrue. That's an internet meme, twisted from a similar-sounding but profoundly different-meaning set of words.

The fact: the FDA has no control over doctors who choose to prescribe medicines off-label. The FDA made a statement to the public explaining exactly that.

"The FDA has no control over" is not the same as "The FDA does not object."

The FDA did, and still does, recommend that people NOT take ivermectin to treat COVID-19. However, they don't have any control over what doctors prescribe. If a doctor DOES prescribe it off-label, and you die as a result of taking the off-label prescription de-wormer, then your family's attorney might want to have a word or two with the doctor.

Just because Charlie Kirk said it on Twitter in August doesn't mean it's true. It wasn't true in November 2022 when the conspiracy nonsense came out, and it's still not true.

[Altavia]

I have heard it is best to spread them out some. Did you have any immediate side effects?

A common strategy is to get one vaccine per arm. If you were to have a localized reaction, you can identify which shot was the cause.

They seen to be recommending no more than two at a tint.

Can COVID, Flu, and RSV Shots Be Given at the Same Time? | MedPage Today (https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/106112)

Can COVID, Flu, and RSV Shots Be Given at the Same Time?


Many adults ages 60 and up will be eligible for three vaccines this fall -- a COVID boosteropens in a new tab or window, the flu shot, and the new respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccineopens in a new tab or window -- so the big question is, can they get them all at once?

Since there are no data on giving this trio of vaccines at the same time, most experts advise a different strategy.

Take flu and COVID together, they told MedPage Today. The CDC endorses thisopens in a new tab or window, as there's evidence and experience that people can take this combination just fine.

There's also some evidence from the clinical trials of the two RSV vaccines that it's okay to give flu and RSV shots together, said William Schaffner, MD, of Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee, who is also a spokesperson for the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA).

But Schaffner told MedPage Today that some practitioners may be "a little bit more cautious about giving RSV along with the others," and there "may not be too many people who want to get all three at the same time."

"If there's one [shot] that doctors might want to treat separately, it might be this newbie [RSV], because there simply hasn't been that much experience with it," he said.

It's a single-dose vaccine, so that means seniors would need just two appointments this fall: one for COVID and flu, and the other for RSV.

Schaffner and other experts recommended getting the RSV vaccine at least 2 weeks on either side of the COVID and flu combination, and getting the RSV shot as soon as possible, since it's currently available, and since its protection is likely to sustain through the entire winter and RSV season.

"We can start giving this right now because it's supposed to, according to the data, provide substantial long-term protection through at least one RSV season, and maybe longer," Schaffner said. "It looks as though there is indeed longer-term protection than we get with flu or COVID [vaccines]."

That said, it's OK to give all three at once if that is the only opportunity to do so, said Aaron Glatt, MD, of Mount Sinai South Nassau in Oceanside, New York, who is also a spokesperson for IDSA.

"We don't have a ton of data, but if someone is really that sick, I'd want them to get all those vaccines," Glatt told MedPage Today. "The problem with waiting is, will they get the vaccine? If they need three visits to the doctor, how many people are willing to do that?"

[Two Bills]

Regarding having both the flu vaccine and Covid Booster at same time.
I always put a week or two between injections.
My wife had both once, in different arms and had a very bad reaction.
Knocked her way over, and felt ill for several days.
She also now spaces her injections, and has no further problem.
Some patients seem fine with both, and others not.
As a personal opinion, I think a week or so between injections is the way to go.

[Cobullymom]

When each person gets the vaccine they are doing the rest of society a favor because that is one less person available to SPREAD the disease.

One less person to spread the disease?? Hahaha, just when has the Covid jab stopped the disease?? Wow, talk about disinformation...oh unless you mean the side effects take them out, then you are correct..

[Suzay]

We got both on These at Walgreens ,go out of the Villages !

[Suzay]

No side effects, just sore arm

[Susan1717]

With the worry still of covid and new variants, should we stop letting millions of unchecked, untested migrants in?

[Altavia]

One less person to spread the disease?? Hahaha, just when has the Covid jab stopped the disease?? Wow, talk about disinformation...oh unless you mean the side effects take them out, then you are correct..

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

During the later stages of the pandemic, nine out of ten people hospitalized for COVID were unvaccinated.

This continued until over 70% of the population was vaccinated and (combined with natural immunity) we achieved heard immunity. Just as science predicted.

Virus are not political. This data was replicated globally with over nine billion people vaccinated.

The vaccinated protected you. You're welcome.

[ndf888]

Regarding having both the flu vaccine and Covid Booster at same time.
I always put a week or two between injections.
My wife had both once, in different arms and had a very bad reaction.
Knocked her way over, and felt ill for several days.
She also now spaces her injections, and has no further problem.
Some patients seem fine with both, and others not.
As a personal opinion, I think a week or so between injections is the way to go.

Makes sense to me to spread them by a week or so since many people, myself included, experience fatigue the day after a shot. I also try to get Covid shots in the same arm, as it was shown to generate stronger immune response according to some studies.

COVID shots in same arm may elicit better immune response | CIDRAP (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-shots-same-arm-may-elicit-better-immune-response)

[kendi]

Thanks for the reminder to get our flu shots. Not interested in the covid booster

[jimjamuser]

A common strategy is to get one vaccine per arm. If you were to have a localized reaction, you can identify which shot was the cause.

They seen to be recommending no more than two at a tint.

Can COVID, Flu, and RSV Shots Be Given at the Same Time? | MedPage Today (https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/106112)

Can COVID, Flu, and RSV Shots Be Given at the Same Time?


Many adults ages 60 and up will be eligible for three vaccines this fall -- a COVID boosteropens in a new tab or window, the flu shot, and the new respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccineopens in a new tab or window -- so the big question is, can they get them all at once?

Since there are no data on giving this trio of vaccines at the same time, most experts advise a different strategy.

Take flu and COVID together, they told MedPage Today. The CDC endorses thisopens in a new tab or window, as there's evidence and experience that people can take this combination just fine.

There's also some evidence from the clinical trials of the two RSV vaccines that it's okay to give flu and RSV shots together, said William Schaffner, MD, of Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee, who is also a spokesperson for the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA).

But Schaffner told MedPage Today that some practitioners may be "a little bit more cautious about giving RSV along with the others," and there "may not be too many people who want to get all three at the same time."

"If there's one [shot] that doctors might want to treat separately, it might be this newbie [RSV], because there simply hasn't been that much experience with it," he said.

It's a single-dose vaccine, so that means seniors would need just two appointments this fall: one for COVID and flu, and the other for RSV.

Schaffner and other experts recommended getting the RSV vaccine at least 2 weeks on either side of the COVID and flu combination, and getting the RSV shot as soon as possible, since it's currently available, and since its protection is likely to sustain through the entire winter and RSV season.

"We can start giving this right now because it's supposed to, according to the data, provide substantial long-term protection through at least one RSV season, and maybe longer," Schaffner said. "It looks as though there is indeed longer-term protection than we get with flu or COVID [vaccines]."

That said, it's OK to give all three at once if that is the only opportunity to do so, said Aaron Glatt, MD, of Mount Sinai South Nassau in Oceanside, New York, who is also a spokesperson for IDSA.

"We don't have a ton of data, but if someone is really that sick, I'd want them to get all those vaccines," Glatt told MedPage Today. "The problem with waiting is, will they get the vaccine? If they need three visits to the doctor, how many people are willing to do that?"
Actually, I am going to take 3 visits. I had the flu shot 2 days ago.

[Vermilion Villager]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

It appears that Walgreens does not have the Moderno vaccine but does have a stock of Pfizer. According to the CDC it is OK to mix and match and some Studies are showing that the efficacy is equal if not slightly higher if you do mix-and-match.

[Vermilion Villager]

With the worry still of covid and new variants, should we stop letting millions of unchecked, untested migrants in?
Every migrant stopped at the border is tested for Covid.....You get an A for effort though.

[kendi]

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

During the later stages of the pandemic, nine out of ten people hospitalized for COVID were unvaccinated.

This continued until over 70% of the population was vaccinated and (combined with natural immunity) we achieved heard immunity. Just as science predicted.

Virus are not political. This data was replicated globally with over nine billion people vaccinated.

The vaccinated protected you. You're welcome.

That stopped because they are more knowledgeable now about how to treat and the virus has mutated to a less potent form. Remember when they said don’t seek treatment until you get bad? Now they say to take antiviral asap. (Which all docs knew is standard for viruses but we were led astray). And if it does progress to a more serious state they also have a better understanding of the best treatment

The virus is not particular as to who is vaccinated or not. Both are getting it and it is affecting both the same. But the pharmaceutical companies are sure getting a nice boost in profits.

Now when it comes to the regular flu you rarely see the vaccinated come down with it. Same with shingles and other communicable diseases. And if they do it’s less serious. Not so with covid. As I mentioned above, it affects vaccinated and no vaccinated the same.



The only people I know who had covid are vaccinated.

[kendi]

Just so everyone knows, it takes TWO weeks AFTER shot for either the flu or COVID shot to become effective. Just saying don’t wait too long because flu is already appearing in schools.

Two weeks to be FULLY effective. It’s still helping during those first two weeks. For the flu shot that is. I have no faith in the CoVID boosters.

[jimjamuser]

With the worry still of covid and new variants, should we stop letting millions of unchecked, untested migrants in?
I agree with that and it also "spitting in the face" of all those immigrants who came here legally - and those waiting to come here. We have plenty of citizens now who could do ANY job if only we put more money into education.

[Art cov]

I am with ya! I have never had a flu shot or covid, and not had the flu in 20 years. Too many friends get the flu shot and still get sick. I take the right vitamins and eat healthy, no sugar. Best policy for me is to keep up my immunity. Everyone’s different tho.

I have not had shots in forty years, and I’m thankful to not be on any meds. A few times getting numb at the dentist and a minor operation. If a person must have the shots or meds that’s fine but I will make necessary changes to avoid them. I would take whatever if I had to do so. Just my 2 cents

[Slk9786]

Call 1-800-Walgreens.
Walgreens wanted too much infor before showing me availability.

I haven't looked at Publix yet

CVS has a number of appointments available next week.

Since this new formulation is just becoming available it is not really a surprise that appointments are filling quickly. We're planning for mid-October.

[Cobullymom]

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

During the later stages of the pandemic, nine out of ten people hospitalized for COVID were unvaccinated.

This continued until over 70% of the population was vaccinated and (combined with natural immunity) we achieved heard immunity. Just as science predicted.

Virus are not political. This data was replicated globally with over nine billion people vaccinated.

The vaccinated protected you. You're welcome.
No I don't have a fixation with fake fear filled news, it's works for some, not for me! I live my life like I always have, not in fear, but using common sense. There have been multiple variants and each is different. And NO your vaccine didn't protect me, you can dice it, slice it and serve up the phoney righteousness anyway you like but that is utter propaganda. I had Covid ONCE early on, I was fine, I have a good immune system, that works fine and my immune system continues to protect me from viruses and nuts on the loose..

[Pat2015]

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

[Bill14564]

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Please stop trying to spread this foolish misinformation.

[Cobullymom]

Every migrant stopped at the border is tested for Covid.....You get an A for effort though.
Oh really, let's see the documentation to prove that? They can not even handle the amount of illegals coming in, let alone test each and every one of them...They were only testing symptomatic people, and that is purely subjective..

[jimjamuser]

How about reduces transmission.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.

Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.



Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths.

Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections.
We are lucky that medical science can develop new vaccines much FASTER than in the DISTANT past. I am not surprised by this because knowledge doubles today much faster than in the past. I would make a GUESS that it is NOW doubling every 18 months.
.......Note: this is a GUESS, so if it is NOT correct, don't get your widgets all asunder.

[Stu from NYC]

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

They can get and spread it but mostly if they get it they get a very mild case.

Do you not understand this?

[jimdecastro]

Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).

Tuesday I had an appointment at Walgreens and when I got there they told me they did not have any NEW Covid vaccine even though the website clearly said it was.

Yesterday I went to Publix in Lake Harris Plaza. I had an appointment and did receive the flu and new Covid vaccines. They were calling people scheduled for today that they did not have adequate supply of Covid shots for them. They said it would be about two weeks before they were really able to fulfill everybody's requirements. I'm just glad I have it.

[jimjamuser]

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

During the later stages of the pandemic, nine out of ten people hospitalized for COVID were unvaccinated.

This continued until over 70% of the population was vaccinated and (combined with natural immunity) we achieved heard immunity. Just as science predicted.

Virus are not political. This data was replicated globally with over nine billion people vaccinated.

The vaccinated protected you. You're welcome.
Great post. Good facts.................If it was NOT for anti-vax propaganda, the US should have been able to get an 85 % vaccination rate. I actually think that the anti-vax stuff about COVID originated in the TROLL FARMS of Russia. They do stuff like that - whatever works - and they are GOOD at it.
......Anti-vax propaganda was NOT this popular in the 1980s.

[UpNorth]

“ Fact Check-Ivermectin still not FDA-approved to treat COVID”

No, but they no longer object to having a doctor prescribe it for off-label treatment of Covid.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for the reminder to get our flu shots. Not interested in the covid booster
Good. That's one more available for me.

[Happydaz]

Too many scientific experts on this site. I worked in the medical field for over 40 years and I never knew that so many people could be so sure in their opinions. It seems more political than medical.

[jimjamuser]

Every migrant stopped at the border is tested for Covid.....You get an A for effort though.
What is their overall % of catching them before they get deep into the US of A? I would GUESS that it is around 30%. And it is pretty SAD for those applying to get into the US legally.
.....I have heard it said several times on popular TV shows that many jobs in the US are NOT being filled - and that is why we NEED some temporary system to let in people legally. I, personally believe that these jobs are NOT being filled for 2 reasons.
........ONE........employers COULD PAY more to attract employees, but that means that they would have to lose some small percent of PROFIT (probably less than 5%)
..........TWO.......6% of (mostly women) are UNABLE to work because of their inability to get good babysitting care. The Federal government NEEDS to address this problem and then we would need FEWER foreign-born workers, which are today clogging up our bigger cities with HOMELESSNESS.

[Bill14564]

No, but they no longer object to having a doctor prescribe it for off-label treatment of Covid.

Not in their purview to object. Their position has not changed at all, just some anti-vaxxers (or anti-govt) pushing new parsing of FDA policy.

[rsimpson]

Sad to see so many people falling for (and continuing to fall for) the Covid scam. They shut down the economy and churches, cooked the "death" numbers, made billions of dollars on a "vaccine" that does not work and can hurt people, and perverted an election process to boot. Baaaa Baaaa sheep.

[Keefelane66]

No, but they no longer object to having a doctor prescribe it for off-label treatment of Covid.
Alex Jones was pushing for it on his InfoWars

[Altavia]

Great post. Good facts.................If it was NOT for anti-vax propaganda, the US should have been able to get an 85 % vaccination rate. I actually think that the anti-vax stuff about COVID originated in the TROLL FARMS of Russia. They do stuff like that - whatever works - and they are GOOD at it.
......Anti-vax propaganda was NOT this popular in the 1980s.

I haven't looked at the data for a couple of years but the results are truely incredible looking back through recent retrospective studies.

I've wondered if part of that success might be related to the diverse combination multiple vaccines with different target plus natural immunity making it statistically harder for virus mutations evolve?

I hate to bring up China data but a US group found nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China's sudden end of COVID curbs the first two month the virus had access to an unvaccinated population with no natural immunity starting in late 2022.

Nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China'''s sudden end of COVID curbs, study says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/nearly-2-million-excess-deaths-followed-chinas-sudden-end-covid-curbs-study-2023-08-25/)

BEIJING, Aug 25 (Reuters) - China's abrupt move to dismantle its strict COVID-19 regime, which unleashed the virus onto its 1.4 billion residents, could have led to nearly 2 million excess deaths in the following two months, a new U.S. study shows.

The study by the federally funded Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle was taken from a sample of mortality data published by some universities in China and internet searches.

It found an estimated 1.87 million excess deaths from all causes occurred among people over 30 years of age between December 2022 and January 2023, and were observed in all provinces in mainland China except Tibet.

China's decision last December to end the three-year zero-COVID policy, which included mass-testing and stringent and persistent quarantine lockdowns, led to a massive surge in hospitalisations and deaths that health experts say were largely unreported by the government.

The study, published on Thursday in JAMA Network Open, said the number of excess deaths far exceeded official Chinese government estimates in January that 60,000 people with COVID-19 had died in hospital since the zero-COVID policy was abandoned a month earlier.

[eyc234]

Too many scientific experts on this site. I worked in the medical field for over 40 years and I never knew that so many people could be so sure in their opinions. It seems more political than medical.

:MOJE_whot: No bigger truth has been written,

[Stu from NYC]

Too many scientific experts on this site. I worked in the medical field for over 40 years and I never knew that so many people could be so sure in their opinions. It seems more political than medical.

Very true. A few people here with medical education and experience, too many with, well I heard it on the internet and it must be true

[JMintzer]

But it does reduce the transmission. Not much in this world is 100% effective; implying the vaccine is worthless because it is not 100% effective is disingenuous at best.

Not according to Fauci...

Fauci: The vaccinated can be as infectious as the unvaccinated, so they need to wear masks indoors; pandemic will get worse – Kentucky Health News (https://cidev.uky.edu/kentuckyhealthnews/2021/08/03/fauci-the-vaccinated-can-be-as-infectious-as-the-unvaccinated-so-they-need-to-wear-masks-indoors-pandemic-will-get-worse/)

[JMintzer]

How about reduces transmission.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.

Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.



Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=Many%20vaccines%20can%20also%20prevent ,of%20exposure%20to%20the%20virus).

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths.

Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections.

Fauci admitted otherwise...

[Bogie Shooter]

Sad to see so many people falling for (and continuing to fall for) the Covid scam. They shut down the economy and churches, cooked the "death" numbers, made billions of dollars on a "vaccine" that does not work and can hurt people, and perverted an election process to boot. Baaaa Baaaa sheep.

Who is they?

[JMintzer]

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

It stopped because it never started. No one with Covid "drowned in their own fluids"...

[JMintzer]

Every migrant stopped at the border is tested for Covid.....You get an A for effort though.

And you get an F...

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2022-05/OIG-22-44-May22.pdf

Covid on the Border: Migrants Aren’t Tested on Arrival in U.S. - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/coronavirus-migrants-testing.html)

DHS watchdog: Migrants weren't tested for COVID before transport on domestic commercial flights - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrants-not-tested-covid-before-commercial-flights/)

California Says It Can No Longer Afford Aid for Covid Testing, Vaccinations for Migrants - California Healthline (https://californiahealthline.org/news/article/california-migrant-covid-testing-vaccination-newsom/)

Some were offered testing, but could decline without it being an issue...

Your browser is not supported | statesman.com (https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/17/fact-check-migrants-being-tested-covid-19-southern-border/8908976002/)

[JMintzer]

That stopped because they are more knowledgeable now about how to treat and the virus has mutated to a less potent form. Remember when they said don’t seek treatment until you get bad? Now they say to take antiviral asap. (Which all docs knew is standard for viruses but we were led astray). And if it does progress to a more serious state they also have a better understanding of the best treatment

The virus is not particular as to who is vaccinated or not. Both are getting it and it is affecting both the same. But the pharmaceutical companies are sure getting a nice boost in profits.

Now when it comes to the regular flu you rarely see the vaccinated come down with it. Same with shingles and other communicable diseases. And if they do it’s less serious. Not so with covid. As I mentioned above, it affects vaccinated and no vaccinated the same.



The only people I know who had covid are vaccinated.

And don't forget that it is a virus' nature to mutate into a less lethal form as time goes by...

If they kill their hosts, they cease to be...

[JMintzer]

I agree with that and it also "spitting in the face" of all those immigrants who came here legally - and those waiting to come here. We have plenty of citizens now who could do ANY job if only we put more money into education.

NEWS ALERT!!! Global Warming is Over! Hell has frozen over!

I agree with the above post!

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Who is they?
Our omniscient, omnipotent PSRRC;

[JMintzer]

They can get and spread it but mostly if they get it they get a very mild case.

Do you not understand this?

My eldest daughter was vaxed, multi-boosted, etc. She got covid last month. She said it was like a bad flu... Not very mild, at all...

Now I caught covid long before there was any vaccine. 36-48 hrs of some coughing, a low grade fever, some chills and body aches and I was "tired" for a few days...

Please explain that...

[bcsnave]

Who is they?

You know..THOSE GUYS!

[JMintzer]

I haven't looked at the data for a couple of years but the results are truely incredible looking back through recent retrospective studies.

I've wondered if part of that success might be related to the diverse combination multiple vaccines with different target plus natural immunity making it statistically harder for virus mutations evolve?

I hate to bring up China data but a US group found nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China's sudden end of COVID curbs the first two month the virus had access to an unvaccinated population with no natural immunity starting in late 2022.

Nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China'''s sudden end of COVID curbs, study says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/nearly-2-million-excess-deaths-followed-chinas-sudden-end-covid-curbs-study-2023-08-25/)

BEIJING, Aug 25 (Reuters) - China's abrupt move to dismantle its strict COVID-19 regime, which unleashed the virus onto its 1.4 billion residents, could have led to nearly 2 million excess deaths in the following two months, a new U.S. study shows.

The study by the federally funded Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle was taken from a sample of mortality data published by some universities in China and internet searches.

It found an estimated 1.87 million excess deaths from all causes occurred among people over 30 years of age between December 2022 and January 2023, and were observed in all provinces in mainland China except Tibet.

China's decision last December to end the three-year zero-COVID policy, which included mass-testing and stringent and persistent quarantine lockdowns, led to a massive surge in hospitalisations and deaths that health experts say were largely unreported by the government.

The study, published on Thursday in JAMA Network Open, said the number of excess deaths far exceeded official Chinese government estimates in January that 60,000 people with COVID-19 had died in hospital since the zero-COVID policy was abandoned a month earlier.

Almost two million deaths in only TWO MONTHS? Sorry, but I find that info dubious, at best...

[JMintzer]

:MOJE_whot: No bigger truth has been written,

I want to know what "I worked in the medical field" actually means...

It reminds me of the joke about the guy who follows the elephants in the circus, shoveling their sh*t... When asked why he didn't quit such an awful job, he replied, "What, and give up Show Business"?

[GoRedSox!]

My eldest daughter was vaxed, multi-boosted, etc. She got covid last month. She said it was like a bad flu... Not very mild, at all...

Now I caught covid long before there was any vaccine. 36-48 hrs of some coughing, a low grade fever, some chills and body aches and I was "tired" for a few days...

Please explain that...Everyone reacts differently. Everyone is different. One size does not fit all. I have as much hair on my head as I had when I was 20 (all of it). A lot of my friends have 50% less and some have 90% less. I am allergic to latex tape. Most people are not. I have not had COVID yet, despite being directly exposed to it several times. I never caught chicken pox as a kid. I will never be thin....some people can eat as much as they want. I am also allergic to bee stings....I assure you that if we both get stung, what will happen to me is far worse than what will happen to you.

[Pballer]

“TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The warning from Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration against getting Covid boosters couldn’t have come at a worse time.

DeSantis’ hand-picked surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, last Wednesday urged people under 65 not to get the newly approved mRNA-boosters, just days after Florida ranked first in the nation for Covid-related hospitalizations.”

Florida - where science goes to die

[JMintzer]

Everyone reacts differently. Everyone is different. One size does not fit all. I have as much hair on my head as I had when I was 20 (all of it). A lot of my friends have 50% less and some have 90% less. I am allergic to latex tape. Most people are not. I have not had COVID yet, despite being directly exposed to it several times. I never caught chicken pox as a kid. I will never be thin....some people can eat as much as they want. I am also allergic to bee stings....I assure you that if we both get stung, what will happen to me is far worse than what will happen to you.

Probably not, since I'm allergic to bee stings, as well. Not anaphylactic allergic, but still pretty bad...

But thanks for proving my point. Covid treatment/Prevention is NOT "One size fits all"...

Because, as you so eloquently put it, "Everyone is different"...

[Altavia]

It stopped because it never started. No one with Covid "drowned in their own fluids"...

That's like saying Auchwitz never happened...

Ever talked to a COVID nurse who worked a hospital in major city?

COVID-19 Lung Damage | Johns Hopkins Medicine (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs#:~:text=If%20COVID%2D19%20pneumonia%20progre sses,a%20form%20of%20lung%20failure).

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)

If COVID-19 pneumonia progresses, more of the air sacs can become filled with fluid leaking from the tiny blood vessels in the lungs. Eventually, shortness of breath sets in, and can lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a form of lung failure.

[Altavia]

Almost two million deaths in only TWO MONTHS? Sorry, but I find that info dubious, at best...

Had the same gut reaction. But 2 milion in 1.2 billion is 0.0016% so?

[Altavia]

My eldest daughter was vaxed, multi-boosted, etc. She got covid last month. She said it was like a bad flu... Not very mild, at all...

Now I caught covid long before there was any vaccine. 36-48 hrs of some coughing, a low grade fever, some chills and body aches and I was "tired" for a few days...

Please explain that...

Isn't it great that thanks to vaccines COVID no worse than any other respiratory infection in healthy people?

There are people who seem to be genetically resistant to the virus.

Are some people immune to COVID-19? | AAMC (https://www.aamc.org/news/are-some-people-immune-covid-19)

[Altavia]

Fauci admitted otherwise...

Knowledge and understanding evolves as we learn more...

[jimjamuser]

That stopped because they are more knowledgeable now about how to treat and the virus has mutated to a less potent form. Remember when they said don’t seek treatment until you get bad? Now they say to take antiviral asap. (Which all docs knew is standard for viruses but we were led astray). And if it does progress to a more serious state they also have a better understanding of the best treatment

The virus is not particular as to who is vaccinated or not. Both are getting it and it is affecting both the same. But the pharmaceutical companies are sure getting a nice boost in profits.

Now when it comes to the regular flu you rarely see the vaccinated come down with it. Same with shingles and other communicable diseases. And if they do it’s less serious. Not so with covid. As I mentioned above, it affects vaccinated and no vaccinated the same.



The only people I know who had covid are vaccinated.
The CDC says most people over 60 should get vaccinated - they are the experts, not Billy Bob redneck and his wife Randy Redneck and others on small local forums.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for the reminder to get our flu shots. Not interested in the covid booster
Not interested in the health of the nation. The trolls in Russia are doing their jobs.

[jimjamuser]

That stopped because they are more knowledgeable now about how to treat and the virus has mutated to a less potent form. Remember when they said don’t seek treatment until you get bad? Now they say to take antiviral asap. (Which all docs knew is standard for viruses but we were led astray). And if it does progress to a more serious state they also have a better understanding of the best treatment

The virus is not particular as to who is vaccinated or not. Both are getting it and it is affecting both the same. But the pharmaceutical companies are sure getting a nice boost in profits.

Now when it comes to the regular flu you rarely see the vaccinated come down with it. Same with shingles and other communicable diseases. And if they do it’s less serious. Not so with covid. As I mentioned above, it affects vaccinated and no vaccinated the same.



The only people I know who had covid are vaccinated.
Deceptive advertising.

[jimjamuser]

I have not had shots in forty years, and I’m thankful to not be on any meds. A few times getting numb at the dentist and a minor operation. If a person must have the shots or meds that’s fine but I will make necessary changes to avoid them. I would take whatever if I had to do so. Just my 2 cents
No shots in 40 years? I'm thankful that you are alive!

[jimjamuser]

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.
Agree to disagree!

[jimjamuser]

Who is they?
Worldwide, Medical experts KNOW that the vaccine worked. So, to argue against that, a person would have to say that ,"You CAN fool ALL of the people ALL of the time."

[jimjamuser]

That's like saying Auchwitz never happened...

Ever talked to a COVID nurse who worked a hospital in major city?

COVID-19 Lung Damage | Johns Hopkins Medicine (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs#:~:text=If%20COVID%2D19%20pneumonia%20progre sses,a%20form%20of%20lung%20failure).

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)

If COVID-19 pneumonia progresses, more of the air sacs can become filled with fluid leaking from the tiny blood vessels in the lungs. Eventually, shortness of breath sets in, and can lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a form of lung failure.
Good post. Informative!

[charmed59]

As of Wednesday the 20th they had both the Covid 2023 booster and the flu shot for those 65+ at the Publix on 466.

[JMintzer]

Isn't it great that thanks to vaccines COVID no worse than any other respiratory infection in healthy people?

There are people who seem to be genetically resistant to the virus.

Are some people immune to COVID-19? | AAMC (https://www.aamc.org/news/are-some-people-immune-covid-19)

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...

[JMintzer]

That's like saying Auchwitz never happened...

Ever talked to a COVID nurse who worked a hospital in major city?

COVID-19 Lung Damage | Johns Hopkins Medicine (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs#:~:text=If%20COVID%2D19%20pneumonia%20progre sses,a%20form%20of%20lung%20failure).

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)

If COVID-19 pneumonia progresses, more of the air sacs can become filled with fluid leaking from the tiny blood vessels in the lungs. Eventually, shortness of breath sets in, and can lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a form of lung failure.

Nice try. It does not lead to ARDS. It may be similar, but it is also quite different. Read this:

COVID-19 Autopsies Uncover Ways The Coronavirus Kills | WBUR News (https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/04/29/covid-autopsy-study)

[JMintzer]

Had the same gut reaction. But 2 milion in 1.2 billion is 0.0016% so?

That would be like just under 700K dying in the US in the same 2 months...

Again, dubious...

[Altavia]

Nice try. It does not lead to ARDS. It may be similar, but it is also quite different. Read this:

COVID-19 Autopsies Uncover Ways The Coronavirus Kills | WBUR News (https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/04/29/covid-autopsy-study)

I almost referenced that one but didn't recognize the source.

"When patients become severely ill with COVID-19, the coronavirus infiltrates deep into the lungs and causes mayhem on the tissues that line the organ. The infection can cause swelling, and fluid and debris can start to fill the lungs. It can feel like drowning on dry land.

Patients who remember being intubated sometimes describe the experience of being on a ventilator as one of the most uncomfortable of their lives. The damage from the virus can also spread to other organs, and if the infection is severe enough, the patient can die.

[JMintzer]

Worldwide, Medical experts KNOW that the vaccine worked. So, to argue against that, a person would have to say that ,"You CAN fool ALL of the people ALL of the time."

Except the ones who disagree...

You know, like that debunked "97% of climate scientists agree" nonsense you keep posting?

[Velvet]

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...

But then, why were those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

[GoRedSox!]

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...Except COVID killed more than 20 to 70 thousand. It has killed over 1 million Americans. And it is not simply over reporting of deaths attributable to other things. The overall death rate went way up and it impacted average life expectancy statistics of the entire country.

[jimjamuser]

I almost referenced that one but didn't recognize the source.

"When patients become severely ill with COVID-19, the coronavirus infiltrates deep into the lungs and causes mayhem on the tissues that line the organ. The infection can cause swelling, and fluid and debris can start to fill the lungs. It can feel like drowning on dry land.

Patients who remember being intubated sometimes describe the experience of being on a ventilator as one of the most uncomfortable of their lives. The damage from the virus can also spread to other organs, and if the infection is severe enough, the patient can die.
An excellent INFORMATIVE post.

[Byte1]

The OP's subject was pertaining to the availability of the vaccinations. Whether or not the shots work is not what the OP was asking.
That said, everyone is different regarding these Covid and Flu shots. I will not discourage or encourage anyone regarding the shots. Most of my younger family, under 50 have had Covid at least once, before and after the shots were available. None of them have had the shots and none of them were hospitalized or died. Of the family members that have had the Covid shots, all of them have since had the virus at least once; most of them at least twice. Personally, I have received only the first two shots, ONLY because I thought they might help prevent me from infecting my wife if I caught it doing all the shopping, etc. IMO I was probably wrong in that assumption. I have not had a flu shot in over 50 years and have never had the Flu. My choice and it has been working for me so far. My wife and I have had Covid once and those in our family that have gone on to have the boosters have had Covid at least twice. Just saying, not suggesting anything. Personally, I have no intention of getting any of the boosters. What others do is their choice. My doctor asked me if I wanted a flu shot(as he always does) and I declined. He did not try to persuade me. I asked him if he had his shot and he said that it was required by his employer (VA). He NEVER/NEVER suggested that I get the Covid shots. I wonder why. I am curious as to how many VERY healthy people, such as young and healthy athletes have suddenly died due to stroke or heath attacks and then we hear that they had been vaccinated for the Covid. Just saying. I also know of a gentleman and his wife in the Villages that had a bad case of Covid before the vaccinations were available, and they are still doing very well. Not sure if I subscribe to the "sky is falling" group. Like I said before, I have no wish to dissuade or encourage anyone to get the vaccinations.
I hope the OP finds what they are searching for.

[JMintzer]

But then, why where those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

You mean the navy ship (not ships) that sat empty?

Access Denied (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/nearly-90percent-of-the-us-navy-hospital-ship-in-new-york-is-empty-amid-coronavirus-fight.html)

Or the Javitz Center Hospital that was barely used?

Temporary COVID-19 Field Hospital at Javits Center Closing (https://ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/news/2020/05/01/javits-center-temporary-covid-19-field-hospital-closing)


How about all of the ventilators that were delivered in record time and never used (once they found out they were doing more harm than good)?

New York spent $250M on tech to fight Covid that no one uses - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/ny-ventilators-covid-national-guard-00056603)

NYC sells $200M of COVID supplies for only $500K (https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-dumps-200m-of-covid-supplies-for-500k)

[JMintzer]

Except COVID killed more than 20 to 70 thousand. It has killed over 1 million Americans. And it is not simply over reporting of deaths attributable to other things. The overall death rate went way up and it impacted average life expectancy statistics of the entire country.

No, over 1 million died WITH Covid, not necessarily FROM Covid...

Care to explain why Flu cases dropped to almost nothing in the 2020-2021 flu season? And why they were only about 30% of normal in 2021-2022?

"According to the CDC, the estimated number of annual flu cases in the U.S. each year since 2016 is as follows:

29 million cases in 2016-2017
41 million cases in 2017-2018
29 million cases in 2018-2019
36 million cases in 2019-2020
9 million cases in 2021-2022

Estimates aren’t available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity."

[JMintzer]

Except COVID killed more than 20 to 70 thousand. It has killed over 1 million Americans. And it is not simply over reporting of deaths attributable to other things. The overall death rate went way up and it impacted average life expectancy statistics of the entire country.

Much of that "increase in the overall death rate" has been attributed to lack of care for chronically ill patients, lack of cancer screening and treatment, and the difficulty in scheduling life saving surgery during the pandemic.

Sick patients were afraid to leave the house and put off doctor visits and care...

I saw it in my limited scope of practice. Patients who would normally come in for diabetic foot care stopped coming in until an emergency set in...

I saw a significant increase in vascular emergencies, foot ulcerations and infections...

[Bill14564]

No, over 1 million died WITH Covid, not necessarily FROM Covid...

Care to explain why Flu cases dropped to almost nothing in the 2020-2021 flu season? And why they were only about 30% of normal in 2021-2022?

"According to the CDC, the estimated number of annual flu cases in the U.S. each year since 2016 is as follows:

29 million cases in 2016-2017
41 million cases in 2017-2018
29 million cases in 2018-2019
36 million cases in 2019-2020
9 million cases in 2021-2022

Estimates aren’t available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity."

With Covid, from Covid, whatever... Over 1 million more died than would have been expected without the pandemic. Now, maybe there were a lot more slip and fall accidents or maybe there were a lot more deaths from liver disease or maybe there were a lot of deaths from bad ground beef but that is doubtful. SOMETHING led to over 1 million additional deaths and whether "with" or "from," the deaths were Covid-related.

This CDC Flu (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/) site has numbers for deaths by flu. Flu deaths were down significantly in calendar year 2021 but still not zero. Not sure what the dates are for a flu season but since there are no weeks with zero deaths, the 2020-2021 season had flu deaths as well.

[jmpate]

I couldn't agree more with ur comments. There have been many adverse outcomes, in people with chronic medical conditions, post cancer tx etc. that had been kept from the public.The content of the new COVID vaccine affects the mRNA, which messes up one's DNA to a point that we'll never really know the effects for years.

Leave, no RUN from any type of COVID vaccine, is my best recommendation!
MS RN 50+ years

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

[Stu from NYC]

You mean the navy ship (not ships) that sat empty?

Access Denied (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/nearly-90percent-of-the-us-navy-hospital-ship-in-new-york-is-empty-amid-coronavirus-fight.html)

Or the Javitz Center Hospital that was barely used?

Temporary COVID-19 Field Hospital at Javits Center Closing (https://ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/news/2020/05/01/javits-center-temporary-covid-19-field-hospital-closing)


How about all of the ventilators that were delivered in record time and never used (once they found out they were doing more harm than good)?

New York spent $250M on tech to fight Covid that no one uses - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/20/ny-ventilators-covid-national-guard-00056603)

NYC sells $200M of COVID supplies for only $500K (https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-dumps-200m-of-covid-supplies-for-500k)

Left hand did not know about right hand.

[JMintzer]

With Covid, from Covid, whatever... Over 1 million more died than would have been expected without the pandemic. Now, maybe there were a lot more slip and fall accidents or maybe there were a lot more deaths from liver disease or maybe there were a lot of deaths from bad ground beef but that is doubtful. SOMETHING led to over 1 million additional deaths and whether "with" or "from," the deaths were Covid-related.

This CDC Flu (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/) site has numbers for deaths by flu. Flu deaths were down significantly in calendar year 2021 but still not zero. Not sure what the dates are for a flu season but since there are no weeks with zero deaths, the 2020-2021 season had flu deaths as well.

Apparently, you didn't bother to read my very next post before responding. You know, the post where I explained the reason for much of the increased death tolls...

[Altavia]

No, over 1 million died WITH Covid, not necessarily FROM Covid...

Care to explain why Flu cases dropped to almost nothing in the 2020-2021 flu season? And why they were only about 30% of normal in 2021-2022?

"According to the CDC, the estimated number of annual flu cases in the U.S. each year since 2016 is as follows:

29 million cases in 2016-2017
41 million cases in 2017-2018
29 million cases in 2018-2019
36 million cases in 2019-2020
9 million cases in 2021-2022

Estimates aren’t available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity."

All URI's declined during COVID due to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00807-9.pdf?pdf=button%20sticky


Abstract |

The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) caused substantial global morbidity and deaths, leading governments to turn to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.

These policies have evolved over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, including after the availability of COVID-19 vaccines, with regional and country-level differences in their ongoing use. The COVID-19 pandemic has been associated with changes in respiratory virus infections worldwide, which have differed between virus types.

Reductions in respiratory virus infections, including by influenza virus and respiratory syncytial virus, were most notable at the onset
of the COVID-19 pandemic and continued in varying degrees through subsequent waves of SARS-CoV-2 infections. The decreases in community infection burden have resulted in reduced hospitalizations and deaths associated with non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory infections.

Respiratory virus evolution relies on the maintaining of a diverse genetic pool, but evidence of genetic bottlenecking brought on by case reduction during the COVID-19 pandemic has resulted in reduced genetic diversity of some respiratory viruses, including influenza virus.

By describing the differences in these changes between viral species across different geographies over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, we may better understand the complex factors involved
in community co-circulation of respiratory viruses.

...

Conclusions

The COVID-19 pandemic has led to unprecedented societal and human behaviour changes that have altered the community circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses.

Although changes in testing priorities and available resources may have influenced the earliest reports of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory virus activity, subsequent studies across multiple geographic locations have shown consistent reductions in the activity of most respiratory virus species. However, as the COVID-19 pandemic progressed, there were increasing differences in the application of NPIs and community circulation of SARS-CoV-2 that led to variability in the return of some respiratory viruses.

Most notably, influenza virus activity, including the clinical burden of disease and paediatric mortality, remained low through the 2020-2021 season before influenza virus activity increased in 2021-2022.
While influenza A and influenza B viruses have begun circulating more widely, influenza B/ Yamagata viruses have hardly been detected, and ongoing surveillance will inform whether these viruses might be extinct.

Detections of RSV infections initially remained low, with the resurgence of interseasonal circulation in many locations since 2021.

There is also evidence that influenza virus diversity and RSV diversity have been reduced as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, but whether these changes are maintained requires continued surveillance and genomic analyses.

Unlike many of the enveloped viruses, non-enveloped viruses, including rhinovirus, demonstrated remarkable persistence through NPIs, with early evidence showing similar species circulation before and during the COVID-19 pandemic. In part, the persistence of non-enveloped viruses despite NPI implementation may be due to prolonged shedding, their greater diversity and their persistence on environmental surfaces.

These collective findings and lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic have important implications for pandemic preparedness. Although the changes in circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses cannot be attributed to any one factor, the near-simultaneous implementation of NPIs at individual, community, environmental and country levels, in addition to behavioural changes, seems to have been an important contributor to reducing community circulation, decreasing the associated health care burden and blunting the evolution of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses. As such, these collective NPI strategies and global collaboration will be important public health considerations for the next pandemic.

[Two Bills]

The whole subject of Covid and Vaccine has become politicized, and polarized along entrenched party lines.
Everyone now seems to have developed 20-20 hindsight, and is now an expert virologist, and could have done better than those who had the nightmare of trying to control the initial outbreak of the pandemic.
Any who disagrees with an opinion is a sheep, or an idiot
Personally I will stick with my doctors advise, not some public social media outlet, or the QAnon etc. loonies.
My doctors they got me near 84 years down the road in reasonable working order, I'll stick with them..

[Bill14564]

Apparently, you didn't bother to read my very next post before responding. You know, the post where I explained the reason for much of the increased death tolls...

What is not apparent, apparently, is that your post had not been posted when I began writing mine.

I would really like to see the numbers that back up that explanation. I can absolutely believe that delaying treatment led to some additional deaths - no question. Certainly, with additional drinking there was an increase in liver disease and mental health issues likely led to some increase in deaths; delayed treatment undoubtedly resulted in some increase as well. But I do not believe delayed treatment led to a 17%+ increase starting in April of 2020 with peaks again in 2021 and 2022.

[Altavia]

The whole subject of Covid and Vaccine has become politicized, and polarized along entrenched party lines.
Everyone now seems to have developed 20-20 hindsight, and is now an expert virologist, and could have done better than those who had the nightmare of trying to control the initial outbreak of the pandemic.
Any who disagrees with an opinion is a sheep, or an idiot
Personally I will stick with my doctors advise, not some public social media outlet, or the [QAnon etc. loonies.
My doctors they got me near 84 years down the road in reasonable working order, I'll stick with them..

I don't disagree.

But it's likely there will be other pandemics so I'm worried things will not go so well...

[mickey100]

Unfortunately I need to wait a bit before getting the flu and COVID shots, because I'm currently recovering from surgery to remove a malignant melanoma and taking doxycycline as an infection-preventative. I'll check with the dermatologist tomorrow and ask how long after the antibiotics are done, can I get vaccinated.

I'd also like to go back to donating blood. Skin cancer sucks, folks.

Best wishes to you on the skin issues. I've had early stage melanomas removed, and three years later its okay, get checked 4 times per year.

[JMintzer]

All URI's declined during COVID due to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00807-9.pdf?pdf=button%20sticky


Abstract |

The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) caused substantial global morbidity and deaths, leading governments to turn to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.

These policies have evolved over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, including after the availability of COVID-19 vaccines, with regional and country-level differences in their ongoing use. The COVID-19 pandemic has been associated with changes in respiratory virus infections worldwide, which have differed between virus types.

Reductions in respiratory virus infections, including by influenza virus and respiratory syncytial virus, were most notable at the onset
of the COVID-19 pandemic and continued in varying degrees through subsequent waves of SARS-CoV-2 infections. The decreases in community infection burden have resulted in reduced hospitalizations and deaths associated with non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory infections.

Respiratory virus evolution relies on the maintaining of a diverse genetic pool, but evidence of genetic bottlenecking brought on by case reduction during the COVID-19 pandemic has resulted in reduced genetic diversity of some respiratory viruses, including influenza virus.

By describing the differences in these changes between viral species across different geographies over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, we may better understand the complex factors involved
in community co-circulation of respiratory viruses.

...

Conclusions

The COVID-19 pandemic has led to unprecedented societal and human behaviour changes that have altered the community circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses.

Although changes in testing priorities and available resources may have influenced the earliest reports of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory virus activity, subsequent studies across multiple geographic locations have shown consistent reductions in the activity of most respiratory virus species. However, as the COVID-19 pandemic progressed, there were increasing differences in the application of NPIs and community circulation of SARS-CoV-2 that led to variability in the return of some respiratory viruses.

Most notably, influenza virus activity, including the clinical burden of disease and paediatric mortality, remained low through the 2020-2021 season before influenza virus activity increased in 2021-2022.
While influenza A and influenza B viruses have begun circulating more widely, influenza B/ Yamagata viruses have hardly been detected, and ongoing surveillance will inform whether these viruses might be extinct.

Detections of RSV infections initially remained low, with the resurgence of interseasonal circulation in many locations since 2021.

There is also evidence that influenza virus diversity and RSV diversity have been reduced as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, but whether these changes are maintained requires continued surveillance and genomic analyses.

Unlike many of the enveloped viruses, non-enveloped viruses, including rhinovirus, demonstrated remarkable persistence through NPIs, with early evidence showing similar species circulation before and during the COVID-19 pandemic. In part, the persistence of non-enveloped viruses despite NPI implementation may be due to prolonged shedding, their greater diversity and their persistence on environmental surfaces.

These collective findings and lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic have important implications for pandemic preparedness. Although the changes in circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses cannot be attributed to any one factor, the near-simultaneous implementation of NPIs at individual, community, environmental and country levels, in addition to behavioural changes, seems to have been an important contributor to reducing community circulation, decreasing the associated health care burden and blunting the evolution of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses. As such, these collective NPI strategies and global collaboration will be important public health considerations for the next pandemic.

Or, everything was simply diagnosed as Covid... Flu testing pretty much disappeared...

[JMintzer]

What is not apparent, apparently, is that your post had not been posted when I began writing mine.

I would really like to see the numbers that back up that explanation. I can absolutely believe that delaying treatment led to some additional deaths - no question. Certainly, with additional drinking there was an increase in liver disease and mental health issues likely led to some increase in deaths; delayed treatment undoubtedly resulted in some increase as well. But I do not believe delayed treatment led to a 17%+ increase starting in April of 2020 with peaks again in 2021 and 2022.

Here you go (assuming "Lancet" is a good enough source for you...)

Just a moment... (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext)

And this is just for Cancer...

[JMintzer]

Best wishes to you on the skin issues. I've had early stage melanomas removed, and three years later its okay, get checked 4 times per year.

Doxycycline has no effect and causes no restrictions in getting the flu shot...

[GoRedSox!]

No, over 1 million died WITH Covid, not necessarily FROM Covid...

Care to explain why Flu cases dropped to almost nothing in the 2020-2021 flu season? And why they were only about 30% of normal in 2021-2022?

"According to the CDC, the estimated number of annual flu cases in the U.S. each year since 2016 is as follows:

29 million cases in 2016-2017
41 million cases in 2017-2018
29 million cases in 2018-2019
36 million cases in 2019-2020
9 million cases in 2021-2022

Estimates aren’t available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity."As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.

[Bill14564]

Here you go (assuming "Lancet" is a good enough source for you...)

Just a moment... (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext)

And this is just for Cancer...

Thank you. No time to read it right now but I’ll get to it

[Altavia]

Or, everything was simply diagnosed as Covid... Flu testing pretty much disappeared...

Not when using multiplexed molecular diagnostic tests.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends (https://syndromictrends.com/?fbclid=IwAR0AsaY2x3adIgpeTgCNj0hz-Q56Q9pMpkvTxSy3Kd23KBoDTObdezOmmg0)

[Altavia]

Not when using multiplexed molecular diagnostic tests.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends (https://syndromictrends.com/?fbclid=IwAR0AsaY2x3adIgpeTgCNj0hz-Q56Q9pMpkvTxSy3Kd23KBoDTObdezOmmg0)

Hmm, this is interesting.

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach
Study results suggest higher rates of co-infection between SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory pathogens than previously reported. In some cases, as many as 20% of COVID-19 patients have co-infections with another respiratory virus.3 Because respiratory symptoms are similar and overlapping, a syndromic panel can provide fast, comprehensive answers and take the guesswork out of choosing which pathogens to test for.

[Stu from NYC]

Sams has covid booster and rsv. No appt necessary for covid.

[Dusty_Star]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

Agree. These mRNA shots should be immediately pulled from the market.

[JMintzer]

As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.

See post #179... It addresses some of the other reasons for the uptick in deaths...

[JMintzer]

As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.

Pro Tip... I'm a doctor...

[JMintzer]

COVID did not really hit until March, 2020. There were 19% more total deaths in 2020 than in 2019. That is a lot of excess deaths. Some deferral of medical care would likely not cause deaths that quickly in the remaining 9 months of the years. I have no doubt there was and still is some impact to deferred care, but it is hard to quantify and doesn't explain the huge rise in death rates in this country coincident with the pandemic. COVID did kill a lot of people. Most of us know people that were struck down in the prime of life who were otherwise healthy. One size just does not fit all. For some reason, this particular illness has been politicized....and because voter registration data is public, you can actually see a higher death rate based on political affiliation. The excess death rate was higher amongst one party. This can also be viewed at the county level by voting outcomes, and counties who voted a certain way have lower vaccination rates and higher death rates due to COVID. The data is out there if you want to look into it...or not.

Again, post # 179 contains a link that explains a lot...

[JMintzer]

Hmm, this is interesting.

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach
Study results suggest higher rates of co-infection between SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory pathogens than previously reported. In some cases, as many as 20% of COVID-19 patients have co-infections with another respiratory virus.3 Because respiratory symptoms are similar and overlapping, a syndromic panel can provide fast, comprehensive answers and take the guesswork out of choosing which pathogens to test for.

And you can bet the farm that they were all classified as "Covid Deaths"...

[GoRedSox!]

Pro Tip... I'm a doctor... Another Pro Tip...I have doctors whom I trust who have recommended the vaccine and said they were taking it themselves. There are many doctors at the CDC, which just recommended that everyone get the vaccine. But seriously, I really don't want to continue the discussion because I don't think too many minds are going to be changed. Ironically, POLITICO has a good article in today's news about the partisan difference in beliefs and attitudes towards vaccines....and not just COVID vaccines. We are seeing lots of folks now saying that children should not obtain the vaccines against illnesses that were virtually eradicated. If this trend continues, all of these diseases may make comebacks.

My goal is not to win an argument. I am too old for any of that. I want people to lead their healthiest, happiest, best lives. That's my main attraction to The Villages and I wish you and everyone else reading this the best health outcomes regardless of the decision to get vaxxed or not.

[Altavia]

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[Bill14564]

Much of that "increase in the overall death rate" has been attributed to lack of care for chronically ill patients, lack of cancer screening and treatment, and the difficulty in scheduling life saving surgery during the pandemic.

Sick patients were afraid to leave the house and put off doctor visits and care...

I saw it in my limited scope of practice. Patients who would normally come in for diabetic foot care stopped coming in until an emergency set in...

I saw a significant increase in vascular emergencies, foot ulcerations and infections...

Much of that increase? If we take the largest increase, 16% for colorectal cancer, and use 600,000 for the number of all cancer deaths in one year, that would give 96,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Obviously, that 16% would not hold for ALL causes since it doesn't hold for all cancers and doesn't really make sense for accidents. BUT EVEN IF IT DID HOLD, it would mean 455,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Since there have been 1.5 million additional deaths over three years, at the very best, it would explain less than 30% of the additional deaths that have occurred, leaving over 1 million deaths in the past three years with no explanation other than Covid.

Still reading the rest of the article so maybe there are some details I missed.

[JRcorvette]

Don’t be a Guinea Pig for Big Pharma….

[Velvet]

Not when using multiplexed molecular diagnostic tests.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends (https://syndromictrends.com/?fbclid=IwAR0AsaY2x3adIgpeTgCNj0hz-Q56Q9pMpkvTxSy3Kd23KBoDTObdezOmmg0)

Thank you, this makes things visually very clear.

But again, Covid was a world-wide pandemic. Even if in the US it was just an anomaly to the flu what about Italy? The UK? India etc Those people are human beings too. Was every country duped?

[JMintzer]

Another Pro Tip...I have doctors whom I trust who have recommended the vaccine and said they were taking it themselves. There are many doctors at the CDC, which just recommended that everyone get the vaccine. But seriously, I really don't want to continue the discussion because I don't think too many minds are going to be changed. Ironically, POLITICO has a good article in today's news about the partisan difference in beliefs and attitudes towards vaccines....and not just COVID vaccines. We are seeing lots of folks now saying that children should not obtain the vaccines against illnesses that were virtually eradicated. If this trend continues, all of these diseases may make comebacks.

My goal is not to win an argument. I am too old for any of that. I want people to lead their healthiest, happiest, best lives. That's my main attraction to The Villages and I wish you and everyone else reading this the best health outcomes regardless of the decision to get vaxxed or not.

I never said NOT to take the vaccine. It's a decision to be made between a patient and their doctor...

I'm simply responding to what I see as erroneous information...

Oh, and I find it humorous that "Politico" has the stones to comment on the "partisan differences" of anything, considering their own "partisan bias"...

[JMintzer]

Much of that increase? If we take the largest increase, 16% for colorectal cancer, and use 600,000 for the number of all cancer deaths in one year, that would give 96,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Obviously, that 16% would not hold for ALL causes since it doesn't hold for all cancers and doesn't really make sense for accidents. BUT EVEN IF IT DID HOLD, it would mean 455,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Since there have been 1.5 million additional deaths over three years, at the very best, it would explain less than 30% of the additional deaths that have occurred, leaving over 1 million deaths in the past three years with no explanation other than Covid.

Still reading the rest of the article so maybe there are some details I missed.

Colorectal cancer is but one part of the equation. Breast cancer is another. There are more...

400K here, 400K there... Pretty soon you're talking real numbers...

And remember, I never said there wasn't an increase in deaths. I simply said I don't believe that the numbers they are presenting are accurate. Hence my "died with covid, not necessarily from covid" comment...

[mickey100]

I find it hard to believe people won't get Covid shots. There are so many false claims circulating about the shots, and people don't seem to be able to ascertain what is true and what isn't. What we do know is that the vaccines been given to millions of people, are safe, and very good at preventing serious or fatal cases of Covid. The risk of serious side effects from these vaccines is tiny, similiar to what would be expected with any other vaccine. And it gives some protection against long Covid. I have 2 friends who contracted long covid as a result of infection before shots were available, and it has changed their lives forever. But the Covid virus mutates and new strains are circulating that our previous vaccinations aren't going to be effective for, like what we experience with the flu. The population will need periodic boosters. You get an annual flu shot, right? Your doctor is recommending a Covid booster. Try listening to him or her.

[NoMoSno]

You get an annual flu shot, right? Your doctor is recommending a Covid booster. Try listening to him or her.
Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat :shrug:)

[Pugchief]

Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat :shrug:)

Likewise (except the political affiliation, which I am not informed of).

However, keep in mind the flu shot is a killed virus vaccine and has been in use for years without incident, whereas the Covid vax is mRNA which has been around a very short period of time, did not undergo complete testing and has been potentially linked to some negative effects.

[JMintzer]

“Ron DeSantis—going against CDC guidelines—advises Florida residents under 65 to avoid getting the COVID booster. Gov. Ron DeSantis goes against federal guidelines recommending a COVID-19 booster. Despite increasing cases of COVID-19, Gov. Ron DeSantis and his administration are urging against the booster shot.”

Posted when you enter the Forum:

"NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE..."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Likewise (except the political affiliation, which I am not informed of).

However, keep in mind the flu shot is a killed virus vaccine and has been in use for years without incident, whereas the Covid vax is mRNA which has been around a very short period of time, did not undergo complete testing and has been potentially linked to some negative effects.

Flu vaccine has not been used "without incident." GBS is a generally accepted, extremely rare, but possible side effect. The incident rate for GBS was higher when they came out with the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's and it was believed to be the virus used to create the vaccine that caused it but that was never proven. Vomiting, diarrhea, fever, palpitations and shortness of breath are among the more severe known side effects.

In addition, the nasal spray for the flu is an attenuated virus, which means it was created from the live virus, NOT an inactivated virus. It comes with it all the possible symptoms of the actual flu, but on a less severe scale.

[Altavia]

Know the risks before getting another Covid “vaccine.”

‘Definite Causal Link’ Between COVID Vaccine Rollouts and Peaks in All-Cause Mortality, New Study Finds • Children's Health Defense (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-rollouts-all-cause-mortality/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=defender-wk&utm_id=20230924)

Political conspiracy theory...

Children's Health Defense - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense)

Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine disinformation and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[7][8] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water.[9] The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.[10][11] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

FactChecking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-factchecking-robert-f-kennedy-jr)

"Kennedy also played a part in one of the worst measles outbreaks in recent memory. In 2018, two infants in American Samoa died when nurses accidentally prepared the combined measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine with expired muscle relaxant rather than water.

The Samoan government temporarily suspended the vaccination program, and anti-vaccine advocates — including Kennedy and his nonprofit — flooded the area with misinformation.

The vaccination rate dropped to a dangerously low level. The next year, when a traveler brought measles to the islands, the disease tore through the population, sickening more than 5,700 people and killing 83, most of them young children."

[Altavia]

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[JMintzer]

Flu vaccine has not been used "without incident." GBS is a generally accepted, extremely rare, but possible side effect. The incident rate for GBS was higher when they came out with the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's and it was believed to be the virus used to create the vaccine that caused it but that was never proven. Vomiting, diarrhea, fever, palpitations and shortness of breath are among the more severe known side effects.

In addition, the nasal spray for the flu is an attenuated virus, which means it was created from the live virus, NOT an inactivated virus. It comes with it all the possible symptoms of the actual flu, but on a less severe scale.

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

[Bill14564]

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

But that 8.1 per million was only for the J&J vaccine and not for the mRNA vaccines (at least according to the CDC and Cleveland Clinic)

[Happydaz]

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

“Just a tad is correct.” .0002 % versus .0008% Statistically significant? That would be a question for experts.

[mickey100]

Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat :shrug:)

So your doctor is a Democrat, good for him, but I can't imagine why you would include that. I guess some people have to make everything political.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you may have personal health issues that preclude you from getting this particular vaccine. You may have had a serious reaction in the past, be allergic to an ingredient, or have certain heart conditions or other health conditions that your very smart Democrat doctor is being careful about.

But it does appear that the medical community is recommending the Covid booster for people 65 years and older, barring any health conditions which would preclude the vaccination. I personally would listen to my doctor rather than succumb to scare tactics found on the internet.

[Stu from NYC]

Good medical advise comes from people trained and in the business of taking care of people.

Heard it on the internet is not that.

[NoMoSno]

So your doctor is a Democrat, good for him, but I can't imagine why you would include that. I guess some people have to make everything political.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you may have personal health issues that preclude you from getting this particular vaccine. You may have had a serious reaction in the past, be allergic to an ingredient, or have certain heart conditions or other health conditions that your very smart Democrat doctor is being careful about.

But it does appear that the medical community is recommending the Covid booster for people 65 years and older, barring any health conditions which would preclude the vaccination. I personally would listen to my doctor rather than succumb to scare tactics found on the internet.
I included the political reference because many in this thread believe and have posted that the decision is political, when it's not.
I have none of the issues you listed. In fact, I am very healthy.
I do listen to my doctor when he tells me I don't need it.

[Whitley]

But then, why were those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

The USNS Comfort hospital ship holds fewer than 80 patients in New York City, leaving nearly 90% of its available space unused after its emergency dispatch to the U.S. epicenter of the coronavirus crisis.

Hi Velvet. The Navy ship sat empty, as did the tents set up in Central Park by the sheep pens. Really there is no ise debating this. If you feel it is to your benefit to continue with the vaccine boosters, then continue to get them. We can disagree and still be friends.

[Velvet]

This is one article, many more the same. I notice some people are valiantly trying to ignore the fact that the reason why Covid was called a pandemic was in part because the same thing happened in many many countries in the world. I don’t understand the comfort that people get from trying to ignore/explain away what actually happened?

[JMintzer]

“Just a tad is correct.” .0002 % versus .0008% Statistically significant? That would be a question for experts.

I was simply commenting on the "Factoid" that the flu shot can cause GBS...

Not that it was a valid "factoid"...

[JMintzer]

But that 8.1 per million was only for the J&J vaccine and not for the mRNA vaccines (at least according to the CDC and Cleveland Clinic)

The NHI did not differentiate...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10183219/#:~:text=The%20pooled%20prevalence%20of%20GBS,an%2 0increased%20risk%20of%20GBS.

[mickey100]

This is one article, many more the same. I notice some people are valiantly trying to ignore the fact that the reason why Covid was called a pandemic was in part because the same thing happened in many many countries in the world. I don’t understand the comfort that people get from trying to ignore/explain away what actually happened?

A lot of these people base their beliefs on false information and social media rumors. Also, many of their political leaders spread this false information. So they don't dare admit the truth or see beyond the lies because that would be agreeing with their political opponents. Denial can also be a crutch or coping mechanism because people have extreme anxiety.These are the people that won't get vaccinated, won't wear masks, etc. They also are prone to believing conspiracy theories and hoaxes. And when their leaders promote these false ideas, it compounds the problem, and they feel vindicated.

Clearly the number of deaths in this country from Covid was an aberration. It wasn't normal, and many of those people would still be alive had it not been for Covid.

[JMintzer]

A lot of these people base their beliefs on false information and social media rumors. Also, many of their political leaders spread this false information. So they don't dare admit the truth or see beyond the lies because that would be agreeing with their political opponents. Denial can also be a crutch or coping mechanism because people have extreme anxiety.These are the people that won't get vaccinated, won't wear masks, etc. They also are prone to believing conspiracy theories and hoaxes. And when their leaders promote these false ideas, it compounds the problem, and they feel vindicated.

Clearly the number of deaths in this country from Covid was an aberration. It wasn't normal, and many of those people would still be alive had it not been for Covid.

https://y.yarn.co/dc3b5985-451b-4376-b7c6-aa817babc854_text.gif

[Altavia]

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[Bill14564]

The NHI did not differentiate...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10183219/#:~:text=The%20pooled%20prevalence%20of%20GBS,an%2 0increased%20risk%20of%20GBS.

Sure they did. Read the last sentence of the highlighted section

[Decadeofdave]

I just saw a news report with a doctor that says the current covid Vax is same one from February. May be outdated.
I will talk to my doctor and get more info. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

[Altavia]

I just saw a news report with a doctor that says the current covid Vax is same one from February. May be outdated.
I will talk to my doctor and get more info. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

Here's the info from John's Hopkins:

What to Know About the Updated COVID-19 Vaccine for Fall/Winter 2023 | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/what-to-know-about-the-updated-covid-19-vaccine-for-fall/winter-2023)

[Velvet]

A lot of these people base their beliefs on false information and social media rumors. Also, many of their political leaders spread this false information. So they don't dare admit the truth or see beyond the lies because that would be agreeing with their political opponents. Denial can also be a crutch or coping mechanism because people have extreme anxiety.These are the people that won't get vaccinated, won't wear masks, etc. They also are prone to believing conspiracy theories and hoaxes. And when their leaders promote these false ideas, it compounds the problem, and they feel vindicated.

Clearly the number of deaths in this country from Covid was an aberration. It wasn't normal, and many of those people would still be alive had it not been for Covid.

Thank you, this may be true for some people. I, personally prefer not to be an ostrich, myself, but if it helps some, well ….

[Bogie Shooter]

I just saw a news report with a doctor that says the current covid Vax is same one from February. May be outdated.
I
.
This is how those silly conspiracy theories are started.
BTW…which news report?……a real doctor?…..may be outdated, why?

[JMintzer]

Sure they did. Read the last sentence of the highlighted section

You are correct. I missed that...

[Byte1]

Fifteen pages that started with the OP commenting on the availability of the booster shots. How many actually referred to the OP in their responses? I don't believe that the OP asked anyone whether or not they should get the booster or whether or not it was safe or whether or not their doctor suggested getting the booster.
And this post doesn't answer the OP's question either...........:oops:

[JMintzer]

Fifteen pages that started with the OP commenting on the availability of the booster shots. How many actually referred to the OP in their responses? I don't believe that the OP asked anyone whether or not they should get the booster or whether or not it was safe or whether or not their doctor suggested getting the booster.
And this post doesn't answer the OP's question either...........:oops:

A thread on ToTV went off the rails? Pshaw, You say!

[Stu from NYC]

A thread on ToTV went off the rails? Pshaw, You say!

Was it due to hunger

[JMintzer]

Was it due to hunger

:p:p:p

Wonder how many got that one...

[Stu from NYC]

:p:p:p

Wonder how many got that one...

Thinking it was just the two of us.

[JMintzer]

Thinking it was just the two of us.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/kby0fpJqrU99vA6dQU/giphy.gif

[mickey100]

Here's the info from John's Hopkins:

What to Know About the Updated COVID-19 Vaccine for Fall/Winter 2023 | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/what-to-know-about-the-updated-covid-19-vaccine-for-fall/winter-2023)

Thank you. A good, reliable source.

[coffeebean]

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

BUNK!!!! You should read about the mRNA vaccine history. Here you go......
The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines)

[coffeebean]

Well we have had vaccines and boosters and got covid twice but both mild cases.

Until my doctor says no will continue

Agree with this. Hubby and I have had Covid only once that we know of. Both of us experienced very mild symptoms.......thanks to the vaccine.

[Stu from NYC]

Agree with this. Hubby and I have had Covid only once that we know of. Both of us experienced very mild symptoms.......thanks to the vaccine.

Incredible that doubters continue to downplay the virus as well as the vaccine

[coffeebean]

How do you know those cases wouldn't have been mild anyway, even without the jab?
You don't. You just assume that's the case.

Yes, that is true but why temp fate? I prefer to go with the protection the vaccines offer.

[coffeebean]

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

So wrong to say that. Misinformation at its finest.

[JMintzer]

BUNK!!!! You should read about the mRNA vaccine history. Here you go......
The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines)

The headline and the info in the article don't really jive...

So no, it's not BUNK!!!!

"Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s. So, why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market? "

"THERE’S A BIG GAP BETWEEN WHEN THE FIRST MRNA FLU VACCINE WAS TESTED IN MICE IN THE 1990S AND WHEN THE FIRST MRNA VACCINES FOR RABIES WERE TESTED IN HUMANS IN 2013."

[JMintzer]

Agree with this. Hubby and I have had Covid only once that we know of. Both of us experienced very mild symptoms.......thanks to the vaccine.

I had a very mild case of Covid a year before any vaccine was available. Whom do I thank?

[JMintzer]

So wrong to say that. Misinformation at its finest.

What is wrong with that statement? It is factually correct.

[coffeebean]

My eldest daughter was vaxed, multi-boosted, etc. She got covid last month. She said it was like a bad flu... Not very mild, at all...

Now I caught covid long before there was any vaccine. 36-48 hrs of some coughing, a low grade fever, some chills and body aches and I was "tired" for a few days...

Please explain that...

Viral load.

[JMintzer]

Viral load.

Wut? Sorry, that explains nothing...

[Altavia]

I had a very mild case of Covid a year before any vaccine was available. Whom do I thank?

Maybe your genetics...

Genetic variant associated with absence of COVID-19 symptoms | National Institutes of Health (NIH) (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/genetic-variant-associated-absence-covid-19-symptoms)

[Altavia]

Wut? Sorry, that explains nothing...


SARS-CoV-2 viral load is associated with risk of transmission to household and community contacts | BMC Infectious Diseases | Full Text (https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-022-07663-1)

[coffeebean]

Everyone reacts differently. Everyone is different. One size does not fit all. I have as much hair on my head as I had when I was 20 (all of it). A lot of my friends have 50% less and some have 90% less. I am allergic to latex tape. Most people are not. I have not had COVID yet, despite being directly exposed to it several times. I never caught chicken pox as a kid. I will never be thin....some people can eat as much as they want. I am also allergic to bee stings....I assure you that if we both get stung, what will happen to me is far worse than what will happen to you.

Regarding your claim that you have never had Covid even though you were exposed to it several times.......it is possible you did contract Covid and were asymptomatic. Actually, anyone who claims they have not had Covid may have had asymptomatic infection.

The one time I did have Covid, my symptoms were a dry cough that lasted about a day and a half. That was it. If it weren't for the fact that I had just gotten home from a week cruise, I never would have tested for Covid. But I did test because I just got off a cruise ship. I was positive for Covid.

Asymptomatic infection is just that.......no symptoms. You may have had it.

[Altavia]

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[keepsake]

Thank you for this post -- first intelligent and sensible person on this thread. mRNA is and will be in everything moving forward. No thank you.

[coffeebean]

I couldn't agree more with ur comments. There have been many adverse outcomes, in people with chronic medical conditions, post cancer tx etc. that had been kept from the public.The content of the new COVID vaccine affects the mRNA, which messes up one's DNA to a point that we'll never really know the effects for years.

Leave, no RUN from any type of COVID vaccine, is my best recommendation!
MS RN 50+ years

More misinformation in this post. mRNA vaccines do NOT effect DNA in any way, shape or form.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

What is wrong with that statement? It is factually correct.

The statement went something like this......."No one protected anyone with the vaccine, NOT EVEN THEMSELVES". That is what I referred to as BUNK. You know better than that.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Wut? Sorry, that explains nothing...

What to Know About COVID Viral Load (https://www.webmd.com/covid/covid-viral-load)

[coffeebean]

Thank you for this post -- first intelligent and sensible person on this thread. mRNA is and will be in everything moving forward. No thank you.
You didn't quote the post you are referring to. Which one?