Colder Than Average

[sounding]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

[mtdjed]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

Well, that surely puts The Global Warming issue to bed. No longer need to feed your cow "Beano" extra strength.

Case Closed! That's That!

[MrChip72]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

There is reportedly a 90% chance of an El Nino cycle forming in the coming weeks, which would for the next 9-12 months make it cooler than normal in most of the South (and wetter), but also warmer in the North and drier.

I guess we'll see If the Almanac was right, or scientists this year. I've found in many years past, they usually followed a similar prediction. :confused:

[Kelevision]

Well, that surely puts The Global Warming issue to bed. No longer need to feed your cow "Beano" extra strength.

Case Closed! That's That!

Oh, you mean Climate Change. Yeah, I don’t see the connection.

[Stu from NYC]

Time will tell

[Keefelane66]

After this summer I hope it does get cooler. But what’s one year in a 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age.

[JMintzer]

Oh, you mean Climate Change. Yeah, I don’t see the connection.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/j3HQ1zWosr1NS/giphy.gif

[Black Beauty]

weather the thing we talk most about that we can do nothing about

[Stu from NYC]

Oh that

[Suzay]

True that !

[Suzay]

Beats talking about Politics !

[nn0wheremann]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.
Squirrels are very busy gathering food to store. Going to be a cold winter.

[MrFlorida]

If they can't predict today's weather, how can they predict weather a year in advance ?

[Vermilion Villager]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

I've been wondering where you've been hiding.

Nice to see your source of science is the...... farmers almanac?!?!?!? FYI the same publication predictes the summer of 2024 is going to be record hot! I can't wait for you to explain your way out of that one.:icon_bored:

[Veiragirl]

Beats talking about Politics !

If you read anything about politics in this site you will be penalized and not allowed to view the site for one week. The only thing I read about is dog poop.

[rogerrice60]

Well, that surely puts The Global Warming issue to bed. No longer need to feed your cow "Beano" extra strength.

Case Closed! That's That!

Yep, case closed, in the 1960's global cooling was the big scare, they were afraid the ice cap was growing so large it would tip the earth 🌎 off it's axis.

[jimjamuser]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.
Take that Farmer's Almanac into your bathroom and start tearing out the pages because so far this year (worldwide) it has been the HOTTEST on record. And scientists are saying that it will get hotter each year for at least the next 8 years. The only way to stop that is for more people in the US and the world to buy more Electric cars. Europe and even China are doing their part by buying more E-vehicles. And before anyone says otherwise, science is building better batteries and countries are building more charging centers as we speak / write!

[jimjamuser]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.
Milankovitch is driving a Tesla.

[jimjamuser]

Beats talking about Politics !
Both subjects seem to bring the "strangejoes" out of the woodwork!

[jimjamuser]

Squirrels are very busy gathering food to store. Going to be a cold winter.
On the squirrelly side of the argument.

[Escape Artist]

Yeah, they predicted a warmer than usual summer for the northeast this summer and that wasn’t the case at all. Also predicted a cooler summer for California and the southwest and the opposite happened.

[jimjamuser]

I've been wondering where you've been hiding.

Nice to see your source of science is the...... farmers almanac?!?!?!? FYI the same publication predictes the summer of 2024 is going to be record hot! I can't wait for you to explain your way out of that one.:icon_bored:
Ditto that!!!!!!!!

[Suzieque]

And, there are a lot of acorns this year, up north, if that has anything to do with it.

[sounding]

Take that Farmer's Almanac into your bathroom and start tearing out the pages because so far this year (worldwide) it has been the HOTTEST on record. And scientists are saying that it will get hotter each year for at least the next 8 years. The only way to stop that is for more people in the US and the world to buy more Electric cars. Europe and even China are doing their part by buying more E-vehicles. And before anyone says otherwise, science is building better batteries and countries are building more charging centers as we speak / write!

Politicians say hot .... data say a 9-year cooling trend.

[Bill14564]

Politicians say hot .... data say a 9-year cooling trend.

Debunked too many times to count.

[sounding]

Debunked too many times to count.

Not only does official government satellite data indicate we are in a 9-year cooling trend, but it also shows, that over the past 30 years, global warming is slowing down -- exactly the opposite of what alarmists claim. Listen to the data -- it's talking to you.

[DAVES]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

I try not to worry about things I can do nothing about. I do find it interesting that global warming has been spun with words to climate change. As climate has always changed even before the first humans this madness, this panic has insulated itself from obsolescence.

With rising oil and gas prices, a colder winter will cause the boycott of Russian oil to morph into an oil and gas black market. Fortunately I took my snow shovel with me to the villages. It is great as a dust pan.

[DAVES]

Take that Farmer's Almanac into your bathroom and start tearing out the pages because so far this year (worldwide) it has been the HOTTEST on record. And scientists are saying that it will get hotter each year for at least the next 8 years. The only way to stop that is for more people in the US and the world to buy more Electric cars. Europe and even China are doing their part by buying more E-vehicles. And before anyone says otherwise, science is building better batteries and countries are building more charging centers as we speak / write!

There are many other alternatives. Plant trees instead of houses. Population control? The population of the US has doubled since 1950 180 million now 350 million and other countries are even worse.

It is of course true both electric motors and batteries have gotten better. I have or had a book published about 1910, of course it had graphs etc. The book said that if we don't switch to electric trucks New York city horse manure would be up to your waist. Yes, there were electric cars and trucks in 1910. Aside, gasoline engines have also gotten far better. Diesels. Used to be diesel was the same price as regular gasoline. You get like 20-30% more miles per gallon over gasoline.

[Windguy]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting…

I’m not into pseudo science, so there’s no need for me to read further.

[sounding]

I’m not into pseudo science, so there’s no need for me to read further.

The Almanac has repeatedly shown to be more accurate than the millions of dollars world governments pour into the UN's IPCC ... https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/09/the-old-farmers-almanac-seasonal-forecasts/ The main difference is -- when running a business for profit - you need to be somewhat accurate.

[Bill14564]

Not only does official government satellite data indicate we are in a 9-year cooling trend, but it also shows, that over the past 30 years, global warming is slowing down -- exactly the opposite of what alarmists claim. Listen to the data -- it's talking to you.

Getting warmer more slowly is still getting warmer. Pushing false data analysis in one case makes me nervous about trusting this case, but if it actually has slowed then MAYBE credit should be given to those pushing for the changes to fight warming.

The data is talking but some seem to have problems with comprehension

[sounding]

Getting warmer more slowly is still getting warmer. Pushing false data analysis in one case makes me nervous about trusting this case, but if it actually has slowed then MAYBE credit should be given to those pushing for the changes to fight warming.

The data is talking but some seem to have problems with comprehension

You may not be able to comprehend -- but others can easily see that the last 30 years of satellite temperature data show warming is slowing down, while the last 9 years show a cooling trend. The amazing thing is that the media refuses to acknowledge either, because they don't fit the climate alarmism narratives. Regarding giving credit to fighting global warming -- looks like more CO2 is doing a great job. It has even been decreasing severe weather events for over 30 years. I love CO2 and you should too.

[Bill14564]

You may not be able to comprehend -- but others can easily see that the last 30 years of satellite temperature data show warming is slowing down, while the last 9 years show a cooling trend. The amazing thing is that the media refuses to acknowledge either, because they don't fit the climate alarmism narratives. Regarding giving credit to fighting global warming -- looks like more CO2 is doing a great job. It has even been decreasing severe weather events for over 30 years. I love CO2 and you should too.

The media doesn’t acknowledge either because at least one claim is demonstrably false and has been debunked numerous times - I’m not going to waste space here doing it again.

[GoRedSox!]

The media may not be reporting it because other reputable organizations like NASA say that Summer 2023 was the hottest on record since records began in 1880. August was 2.2 degrees above average. The World Meteorological Organization also says Summer 2023 was the hottest on record.

I get that in today's polarized world, not everyone trusts NASA. Some conspiracy theorists say the moon landings were faked. There are virtually no set of facts which are universally accepted. In some circles, folks believe that COVID is a hoax and Pro Wrestling is real.

[rsimpson]

weather the thing we talk most about that we can do nothing about


hmmm, I thought my Tundra causes the global warming?

[JMintzer]

Both subjects seem to bring the "strangejoes" out of the woodwork!

Yes, they most certainly do...

BTW, what EV do you drive again?

[sounding]

The media doesn’t acknowledge either because at least one claim is demonstrably false and has been debunked numerous times - I’m not going to waste space here doing it again.

This difference here is ... you bring narratives and I bring data. The "data" shows that the last 30 years shows global warming is slowing -- and the "data" shows the last 9 years has a slight cooling trend -- and it's all government data. If you don't like the data -- change it to fit your alternate reality.

[Bill14564]

This difference here is ... you bring narratives and I bring data. The "data" shows that the last 30 years shows global warming is slowing -- and the "data" shows the last 9 years has a slight cooling trend -- and it's all government data. If you don't like the data -- change it to fit your alternate reality.

The data DOES NOT SHOW THAT! The problem is some don’t know how to analyze the data and I am tired of explaining that to you over and over again.

[sounding]

The media may not be reporting it because other reputable organizations like NASA say that Summer 2023 was the hottest on record since records began in 1880. August was 2.2 degrees above average. The World Meteorological Organization also says Summer 2023 was the hottest on record.

I get that in today's polarized world, not everyone trusts NASA. Some conspiracy theorists say the moon landings were faked. There are virtually no set of facts which are universally accepted. In some circles, folks believe that COVID is a hoax and Pro Wrestling is real.

Dr. Hansen, from NASA, and known as the Father of Global Warming, is a great example of the trust problem.

[Bill14564]

Dr. Hansen, from NASA, and known as the Father of Global Warming, is a great example of the trust problem.

So 37 years ago as the study of climate change was just getting started a prediction was made that did not come true? Imagine that!

But sure, between that and your focus on statements from Al Gore I can see where he confusion comes from.

[sounding]

So 37 years ago as the study of climate change was just getting started a prediction was made that did not come true? Imagine that!

But sure, between that and your focus on statements from Al Gore I can see where he confusion comes from.

These are Al Gore's statements ...

[44Apple]

ha ha The Farmers' Almanac. I get my weather forecasts off the National Enquirer.

[Keefelane66]

All I ask is which Government?

NASA Says 2022 Fifth Warmest Year on Record, Warming Trend Continues | NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-says-2022-fifth-warmest-year-on-record-warming-trend-continues)

[sounding]

All I ask is which Government?

NASA Says 2022 Fifth Warmest Year on Record, Warming Trend Continues | NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-says-2022-fifth-warmest-year-on-record-warming-trend-continues)

NASA, like NOAA, alters temperature data fit the global warming narrative.

[spinner1001]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

Decisions.

[Stu from NYC]

Dr. Hansen, from NASA, and known as the Father of Global Warming, is a great example of the trust problem.

Luckily Al Gore still thinks he invented the internet.

[mtdjed]

Take that Farmer's Almanac into your bathroom and start tearing out the pages because so far this year (worldwide) it has been the HOTTEST on record. And scientists are saying that it will get hotter each year for at least the next 8 years. The only way to stop that is for more people in the US and the world to buy more Electric cars. Europe and even China are doing their part by buying more E-vehicles. And before anyone says otherwise, science is building better batteries and countries are building more charging centers as we speak / write!

Please tell us which one would be best to buy. How much did you pay for yours? How many miles do you get on a charge. Any rebate? Did you buy made in USA? I am looking for the best one and best price. I am thinking HYbrid may be more user friendly.

Thanks
JED

[sounding]

Please tell us which one would be best to buy. How much did you pay for yours? How many miles do you get on a charge. Any rebate? Did you buy made in USA? I am looking for the best one and best price. I am thinking HYbrid may be more user friendly.

Thanks
JED

Good advice from global expert in energy engineering and analysis -- and a Villager ... Rein In Electric Vehicles - Donn Dears LLC (https://ddears.com/2023/09/19/rein-in-electric-vehicles/)

[Southwest737]

Nine year cooling trend? You’re joking right? This year is going down in the record books. And not for being cooler. You are drinking the wrong Koolaide.

[sounding]

Nine year cooling trend? You’re joking right? This year is going down in the record books. And not for being cooler. You are drinking the wrong Koolaide.

Here's the satellite data ... https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt ... and here's a graph of the same data plotted in Excel - showing a 9-year cooling trend. It's just data -- nothing to get excited about. To learn more, please visit the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Southwest737]

You may not be able to comprehend -- but others can easily see that the last 30 years of satellite temperature data show warming is slowing down, while the last 9 years show a cooling trend. The amazing thing is that the media refuses to acknowledge either, because they don't fit the climate alarmism narratives.
Regarding giving credit to fighting global warming -- looks like more CO2 is doing a great job. It has even been decreasing severe weather events for over 30 years. I love CO2 and you should too.
Hey Sounding, go to Venus and enjoy that really high CO2 level. Better bring your cooling trend with you.

[sounding]

Hey Sounding, go to Venus and enjoy that really high CO2 level. Better bring your cooling trend with you.

To bad you missed the Weather Club talk called "Carl Sagan and his Runaway Greenhouse Theory" which showed that he miss-informed Congress about Venus. It's well known that the extremely high atmospheric pressure on Venus is the key reason for its high surface temperature. This is proven with a simple application of the universal gas law (PV=nRT) which applies to all planets.

[Windguy]

Luckily Al Gore still thinks he invented the internet.

Where do people come up with this crap? When I first started using the Internet in the 1980s, it was available only to government (.gov), military (.mil), education (.edu), and computer companies (.com). What Al Gore did was act as a patron to encourage opening it up to be the incredibly successful utility that is now available to all.

But, don’t let facts get in the way of your agenda.

[Bill14564]

To bad you missed the Weather Club talk called "Carl Sagan and his Runaway Greenhouse Theory" which showed that he miss-informed Congress about Venus. It's well known that the extremely high atmospheric pressure on Venus is the key reason for its high surface temperature. This is proven with a simple application of the universal gas law (PV=nRT) which applies to all planets.

Still more bad science.

[Vermilion Villager]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.
The same Farmer's Almanac says the summer of 2024 will be Hotter than average....

[PersonOfInterest]

Wait a minute ... 2.5 million year old Ice Age? Is the earth that Old? Check your Bible ...

[Vermilion Villager]

Please tell us which one would be best to buy. How much did you pay for yours? How many miles do you get on a charge. Any rebate? Did you buy made in USA? I am looking for the best one and best price. I am thinking HYbrid may be more user friendly.

Thanks
JED
Assuming you are sincere in your post. Several publications offer reviews. My brother-in-law just bought a Volvo S60. It is a hybrid, but he can go 40 miles in pure electric mode. He does mostly city driving and says he has not had the gas engine turn on in over three months. :clap2:

[OhioBuckeye]

You’re right but Al Gore already fixed Global Warming, right?

[Stu from NYC]

Where do people come up with this crap? When I first started using the Internet in the 1980s, it was available only to government (.gov), military (.mil), education (.edu), and computer companies (.com). What Al Gore did was act as a patron to encourage opening it up to be the incredibly successful utility that is now available to all.

But, don’t let facts get in the way of your agenda.

Thanks for pointing out that I had an agenda. Who knew?

[Keefelane66]

Very true around 87’ now some are unfortunately getting stupid by spending time on “X” or META.

[Haggar]

Here's the satellite data ... https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt ... and here's a graph of the same data plotted in Excel - showing a 9-year cooling trend. It's just data -- nothing to get excited about. To learn more, please visit the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

What's the fifty year trend? The hundred year trend? Why just the last nine years? What's so special about a nine year trend?

Are you cherry picking only data that supports your position?

Does the weather club have anyone speak to climate change being real? It seems based upon your responses that the weather club only would appeal to those denying climate change? Your comments please.

[Whitley]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.

I never even knew there was a philosophy club. Philosophy like the courses one would have taken in college? Like Kant, Socrates, Plato, Descartes etc etc etc.

[jimjamuser]

Politicians say hot .... data say a 9-year cooling trend.
Not politicians ............it is SCIENTISTS that say each succeeding year ON EARTH will be HOTTER for at least the next 8 years. And Florida residents NEED to know that by 2030 the ocean rise will bring the Ocean and Gulf of Mexico into about 1 mile from the current waterline around ALL of Florida. That WILL affect a lot of homes, apartment buildings, and condos.
.........Talk about that at those so-called climate meetings. Oh, I forgot science is NOT discussed!

[sounding]

What's the fifty year trend? The hundred year trend? Why just the last nine years? What's so special about a nine year trend?

Are you cherry picking only data that supports your position?

Does the weather club have anyone speak to climate change being real? It seems based upon your responses that the weather club only would appeal to those denying climate change? Your comments please.

Why the 9-year trend ... because it's the latest trend. It's just data - no need for alarm. Plus - more than 100 glaciers are growing -- I wonder why.

[jimjamuser]

Not only does official government satellite data indicate we are in a 9-year cooling trend, but it also shows, that over the past 30 years, global warming is slowing down -- exactly the opposite of what alarmists claim. Listen to the data -- it's talking to you.
I will give you some REAL FACTS about Global Warming and how it IS AFFECTING Fl. today. And you can find it ALL in today's NY Times. DUE to Global Warming, DENGUE FEVER (the DEADLY mosquito-borne disease) has NOW moved NORTH to Florida in the US and France in Europe.
.......For the FIRST time in 20 YEARS, this summer MALARIA has SPREAD to Fl., Tx., and Maryland.
........Look THAT up and STOP the NONSENSE of trying to refute G.W. That is DANGEROUS DISINFORMATION.
.........I don't know who or why that DISINFORMATION spreads.........maybe some Fl. real estate agent wants to KEEP attracting masses of people to Central Florida???????

[sounding]

I will give you some REAL FACTS about Global Warming and how it IS AFFECTING Fl. today. And you can find it ALL in today's NY Times. DUE to Global Warming, DENGUE FEVER (the DEADLY mosquito-borne disease) has NOW moved NORTH to Florida in the US and France in Europe.
.......For the FIRST time in 20 YEARS, this summer MALARIA has SPREAD to Fl., Tx., and Maryland.
........Look THAT up and STOP the NONSENSE of trying to refute G.W. That is DANGEROUS DISINFORMATION.
.........I don't know who or why that DISINFORMATION spreads.........maybe some Fl. real estate agent wants to KEEP attracting masses of people to Central Florida???????

YOUR feelings are subjective. DATA is objective. Government satellite temperature data clearly show a "slight" 9-year cooling trend - not warming. Don't worry - it's only data.

[Bill14564]

YOUR feelings are subjective. DATA is objective. Government satellite temperature data clearly show a "slight" 9-year cooling trend - not warming. Don't worry - it's only data.

And it is still Bunk! The data doesn’t show that as has been explained to you too many times.

If you want the Weather Club to have any credibility at all you’re going to have to try real science rather than conspiracy sites

[jimjamuser]

There are many other alternatives. Plant trees instead of houses. Population control? The population of the US has doubled since 1950 180 million now 350 million and other countries are even worse.

It is of course true both electric motors and batteries have gotten better. I have or had a book published about 1910, of course it had graphs etc. The book said that if we don't switch to electric trucks New York city horse manure would be up to your waist. Yes, there were electric cars and trucks in 1910. Aside, gasoline engines have also gotten far better. Diesels. Used to be diesel was the same price as regular gasoline. You get like 20-30% more miles per gallon over gasoline.
A lot of that post is true. Especially the 1st 2 sentences. If the US of A had 225 MILLION people instead of 350 plus MILLION, then I would NOT even NEED to be writing anything. We would NOT need to replace gas golf carts and gas AND DIESEL automobiles with ELECTRIC ones. Likely, we would NOT have the CO2 layer in the upper atmosphere reflecting the HEAT that EVERYONE KNOWS we experienced this summer. And Scientists have said that 2023 so far has been the WARMEST in HISTORY (recent history, not 300,000 years ago, as my one buddy talks about). And we would NOT have killed about 90% of ALL living Coral reefs on planet Earth!
.........Incidentally, diesel engines do have the potential for GREAT MPG, but they are even DIRTIER than gasoline engines as far as CO2 and other POLLUTANTS go.
..........So, if science does NOT have a way to send about 150 MILLION PEOPLE in the US and many MILLIONS worldwide..........to some other PLANET. Then, the ONLY feasible solution IS to have people start buying MORE ELECTRICAL golf carts and E-vehicles, even an E-bike would help.
...........WARNING........failure to do the E-vehicle thing will guarantee 8 more years of increasing RECORD HEAT. In other words, by 2032 there will be virtually NO outdoor activity in the summer in Florida......NO golf, NO softball, NO pickleball, or other activity. Maybe some HARDY souls will try to throw horseshoes outside in the shade.....they better wear gloves so as not to burn their hands!

[sounding]

And it is still Bunk! The data doesn’t show that as has been explained to you too many times. If you want the Weather Club to have any credibility at all you’re going to have to try real science rather than conspiracy sites

For those viewers who want to know why we are in a 9-year cooling trend, just attend a Weather Club meeting, where data, versus narratives, are discussed. For example, here is more global satellite data showing that for the past 30 years, global warming is slowing down - not accelerating like climate alarmists claim -- and of course the last 9 years show slight cooling. Do not sell your snow shovels.

[jimjamuser]

I’m not into pseudo science, so there’s no need for me to read further.
Oh no! You will miss the times and days scheduled for the next FLAT EARTH SOCIETY meeting!

[Bill14564]

For those viewers who want to know why we are in a 9-year cooling trend, just attend a Weather Club meeting, where data, versus narratives, are discussed. For example, here is more global satellite data showing that for the past 30 years, global warming is slowing down - not accelerating like climate alarmists claim -- and of course the last 9 years show slight cooling. Do not sell your snow shovels.

… or just continue to peddle junk science. Oh well.

[jimjamuser]

The media may not be reporting it because other reputable organizations like NASA say that Summer 2023 was the hottest on record since records began in 1880. August was 2.2 degrees above average. The World Meteorological Organization also says Summer 2023 was the hottest on record.

I get that in today's polarized world, not everyone trusts NASA. Some conspiracy theorists say the moon landings were faked. There are virtually no set of facts which are universally accepted. In some circles, folks believe that COVID is a hoax and Pro Wrestling is real.
"Like the HOAXES that you find in the windmills of your mind"..............from a famous song.

[Haggar]

Why the 9-year trend ... because it's the latest trend. It's just data - no need for alarm. Plus - more than 100 glaciers are growing -- I wonder why.

Here's a link that goes over that using an 8 or 9 trend is NOT indicative of a LONG TERM cooling trend but that a LONG TERM warming trend is occurring.

Fact Check-Eight cooler years cannot be extrapolated to draw conclusions on long-term global warming | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-noaa-global-cooling/fact-check-eight-cooler-years-cannot-be-extrapolated-to-draw-conclusions-on-long-term-global-warming-idUSL1N34J26C)

or just google eight year cooling trend to find articles.

For each of us we'll make our conclusions from scientific date. I think your data is in fact picked to support your own beliefs. To each his own.

[jimjamuser]

Dr. Hansen, from NASA, and known as the Father of Global Warming, is a great example of the trust problem.
1.4 degrees F is enough to cause the world's oceans to rise. And whatever the per year rise actually is, all scientists know that this summer set the RECORD for HEAT worldwide. And everyone here in TV Land who is honest and has been here for many years will tell you how HOT this summer has been.

[jimjamuser]

This difference here is ... you bring narratives and I bring data. The "data" shows that the last 30 years shows global warming is slowing -- and the "data" shows the last 9 years has a slight cooling trend -- and it's all government data. If you don't like the data -- change it to fit your alternate reality.
That statement, "I bring data" needs to be amended to "bringing erroneous data". Thank you!

[jimjamuser]

These are Al Gore's statements ...
North Pole ice is gone now. They are going to drill for lithium for batteries there.

[jimjamuser]

NASA, like NOAA, alters temperature data fit the global warming narrative.
Yes, now I get the picture. We are supposed to disbelieve NASA with hundreds of employees and a million-dollar budget and instead, we should believe ONE guy in TV Land. That makes sense!

[jimjamuser]

Please tell us which one would be best to buy. How much did you pay for yours? How many miles do you get on a charge. Any rebate? Did you buy made in USA? I am looking for the best one and best price. I am thinking HYbrid may be more user friendly.

Thanks
JED
Go full electric. If worried about charging stations on a long trip, keep a 2nd gas vehicle for about 2 years until more charging stations are built. In the US people are buying all-electric vehicles at a rate of 6% of new car sales. It is about double in Europe. This is because the Europeans know that Saudi Arabia and Russia have gotten together to keep the price of gasoline high.

[jimjamuser]

Hey Sounding, go to Venus and enjoy that really high CO2 level. Better bring your cooling trend with you.
A good summary. It is worth repeating! Actually, this thread is getting more humorous than late-night TV.

[jimjamuser]

Where do people come up with this crap? When I first started using the Internet in the 1980s, it was available only to government (.gov), military (.mil), education (.edu), and computer companies (.com). What Al Gore did was act as a patron to encourage opening it up to be the incredibly successful utility that is now available to all.

But, don’t let facts get in the way of your agenda.
Nice to know that some people do NOT fall into the current disinformation DOGMA trap!!!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

You’re right but Al Gore already fixed Global Warming, right?
Al Gore did HIS part. He warned America way back then, but the gas and oil lobby outspent him, allowing the upper 5% to STAY RICH. Allowing Infernal Combustion engines to spew pollutants out and cause the record HEAT WORLDWIDE - that we all have felt this summer and will feel increasing every summer from today for the foreseeable future. So, the world disregarded VP Gore at their peril, the rich are richer, and we are all HOTTER and more polluted because of it!!!!!!
......So people who disregarded Mr. Gore will also NOT read today's issue of the NY Times - which stated that the deadly disease Dengue Fever has moved northward to Florida in the US and France in Europe. Also, those same people will disregard the same article where they say that "this summer Malaria has spread to Fl., Tx., and even Maryland!!!!!!

[sounding]

That statement, "I bring data" needs to be amended to "bringing erroneous data". Thank you!

I appreciate all the alarmism so many bring to these conversions, because it just increases the desire of others to see the data which the media refuses to report. Every time I get attacked, more people sign up for the monthly notifications for Weather Club meetings, which includes talks not only at the Weather Club but also to other clubs (both in and outside the Villages - and even as far out as Gainesville). Just send an email to this address to be included in monthly notifications ... info@theweatherclubvillages.com

[sounding]

North Pole ice is gone now. They are going to drill for lithium for batteries there.

Now you know why Trump wanted to buy Greenland ... lithium and much more. Also, thanks to recent warming and less polar ice, the polar bears are reaching record numbers because it's now easier for them to find lunch - seals. There are now too many polar bears and you can hunt them for $50,000 each ... but they only allow about 700 harvestings a year ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures (https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/trips/nunavut-territory-polar-bear-hunting/)

[jimjamuser]

YOUR feelings are subjective. DATA is objective. Government satellite temperature data clearly show a "slight" 9-year cooling trend - not warming. Don't worry - it's only data.
Not MY feelings. I said that it was in today's edition of The NY Times. Just google it - it is FREE to everyone!

[sounding]

Not MY feelings. I said that it was in today's edition of The NY Times. Just google it - it is FREE to everyone!

I don't follow the narrative ... I follow the data. Another example ... global hurricanes have been decreasing for over 30 years -- when's the last time the NYT reported that? CO2 must be under-performing.

[Battlebasset]

Take that Farmer's Almanac into your bathroom and start tearing out the pages because so far this year (worldwide) it has been the HOTTEST on record. And scientists are saying that it will get hotter each year for at least the next 8 years. The only way to stop that is for more people in the US and the world to buy more Electric cars. Europe and even China are doing their part by buying more E-vehicles. And before anyone says otherwise, science is building better batteries and countries are building more charging centers as we speak / write!

I'll wait until those better batteries a built, thank you very much, along with charging stations. My golf cart is electric, but it also comes home every night for charging.

[Stu from NYC]

Al Gore did HIS part. He warned America way back then, but the gas and oil lobby outspent him, allowing the upper 5% to STAY RICH. Allowing Infernal Combustion engines to spew pollutants out and cause the record HEAT WORLDWIDE - that we all have felt this summer and will feel increasing every summer from today for the foreseeable future. So, the world disregarded VP Gore at their peril, the rich are richer, and we are all HOTTER and more polluted because of it!!!!!!
......So people who disregarded Mr. Gore will also NOT read today's issue of the NY Times - which stated that the deadly disease Dengue Fever has moved northward to Florida in the US and France in Europe. Also, those same people will disregard the same article where they say that "this summer Malaria has spread to Fl., Tx., and even Maryland!!!!!!

Thanks for warning us that internal combustion engines are destroying our planet. Since you do not own EV makes me wonder why it is ok for you to consumer gasoline just not the rest of us.

[Bwanajim]

The Farmer's Almanac is forecasting a colder and snowier winter than average for the 23/24 winter season. This is no surprise as we are in a 9-year cooling trend, which is within a 6,000 year Milankovitch cooling trend, which is within our current 2.5 million year old Pleistocene Ice Age. The Pleistocene Ice Age is the subject of a talk on Sep 29 at 4 PM at Colony Cottage - for the Philosophy Club. Dress warm.
But, but, but, everyone said there was global warming! Lol

[JMintzer]

1.4 degrees F is enough to cause the world's oceans to rise. And whatever the per year rise actually is, all scientists know that this summer set the RECORD for HEAT worldwide. And everyone here in TV Land who is honest and has been here for many years will tell you how HOT this summer has been.

"How Hot Was It"?

(with apologies to Johnny Carson...)

https://media2.giphy.com/media/pGXqF7A9R4C3u/giphy.gif

[JMintzer]

Go full electric. If worried about charging stations on a long trip, keep a 2nd gas vehicle for about 2 years until more charging stations are built. In the US people are buying all-electric vehicles at a rate of 6% of new car sales. It is about double in Europe. This is because the Europeans know that Saudi Arabia and Russia have gotten together to keep the price of gasoline high.

Remind me again, what brand of EV do you drive?

[JMintzer]

North Pole ice is gone now. They are going to drill for lithium for batteries there.

You "drill" for lithium?

[Keefelane66]

You "drill" for lithium?
“ Lithium brine recovery is typically a straightforward but lengthy process that can take anywhere from several months to a few years to complete. Drilling is required to access the underground salar brine deposits, and the brine is then pumped to the surface and distributed to evaporation ponds.”

[JMintzer]

“ Lithium brine recovery is typically a straightforward but lengthy process that can take anywhere from several months to a few years to complete. Drilling is required to access the underground salar brine deposits, and the brine is then pumped to the surface and distributed to evaporation ponds.”

Well slap my @ss and call me Charlie... I learned something new today!

I always thought it was open air mined...

[JMintzer]

North Pole ice is gone now. They are going to drill for lithium for batteries there.

Still 1.88 million square miles of ice per the Google Machine...

[jimjamuser]

Now you know why Trump wanted to buy Greenland ... lithium and much more. Also, thanks to recent warming and less polar ice, the polar bears are reaching record numbers because it's now easier for them to find lunch - seals. There are now too many polar bears and you can hunt them for $50,000 each ... but they only allow about 700 harvestings a year ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures (https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/trips/nunavut-territory-polar-bear-hunting/)
The habitat of the Polar bear (floating ice) is down 33% in the Arctic over the past 20 years. The RATE of sea ice LOSS is accelerating. The Arctic will be 4 degrees C warmer in the next year. In 2050 RAIN will be falling instead of SNOW for many MONTHS. Polar bear and oil worker conflicts are increasing as bears are driven onto LAND. Currently, polar bears are listed as THREATENED. Soon they will be reevaluated for possible ENDANGERED STATUS.

[sounding]

The habitat of the Polar bear (floating ice) is down 33% in the Arctic over the past 20 years. The RATE of sea ice LOSS is accelerating. The Arctic will be 4 degrees C warmer in the next year. In 2050 RAIN will be falling instead of SNOW for many MONTHS. Polar bear and oil worker conflicts are increasing as bears are driven onto LAND. Currently, polar bears are listed as THREATENED. Soon they will be reevaluated for possible ENDANGERED STATUS.

Good for you believing polar bears are going extinct ... and that way others will be able get their trophy hunts. You still don't get it do you ... there are so many bears that they allow up to 700 harvests of bears a year ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures (https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/trips/nunavut-territory-polar-bear-hunting/) I feel sorry for all those who actually donate money to save the bears, when there is no problem at all. Guess who's pockets all those donations go to.

[Stu from NYC]

Good for you believing polar bears are going extinct ... and that way others will be able get their trophy hunts. You still don't get it do you ... there are so many bears that they allow up to 700 harvests of bears a year ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures (https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/trips/nunavut-territory-polar-bear-hunting/) I feel sorry for all those who actually donate money to save the bears, when there is no problem at all. Guess who's pockets all those donations go to.

I was surprised they are allowing hunting due to a large expansion of the herd. Guess we cannot believe what a lot of people have been telling us about the poor starving polar bears.

[sounding]

I was surprised they are allowing hunting due to a large expansion of the herd. Guess we cannot believe what a lot of people have been telling us about the poor starving polar bears.

One day our grandchildren will laugh at not only our ignorance of common sense, but of letting a small group of powerful elite fool the world about a non-problem. Ottmar is trying to tell us, but very few are listening ... climate policies are an illusion.

[sounding]

I was surprised they are allowing hunting due to a large expansion of the herd. Guess we cannot believe what a lot of people have been telling us about the poor starving polar bears.

The reason there are so many bears is because there is less sea ice - and more opportunity to hunt seals. The bears don't need ice to survive, because their DNA says they were originally Asian brown bears.

[fishon]

Greenland was indeed green and welcoming for the Vikings many years ago.
Today in Alaska, where the ice has receded, they are finding arrowheads and reindeer scat indicating the ice was less than 5,000 years old.
Cycles come and go without the influence of insignificant little people.

[jimjamuser]

Good for you believing polar bears are going extinct ... and that way others will be able get their trophy hunts. You still don't get it do you ... there are so many bears that they allow up to 700 harvests of bears a year ... Nunavut Territory Polar Bear Hunting - Worldwide Trophy Adventures (https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/trips/nunavut-territory-polar-bear-hunting/) I feel sorry for all those who actually donate money to save the bears, when there is no problem at all. Guess who's pockets all those donations go to.
Apparently, the Native Americans in the Arctic area, who likely have not-so-wonderful lives, see a chance to make the big bucks, and to hell with the Polar bear!

[jimjamuser]

The reason there are so many bears is because there is less sea ice - and more opportunity to hunt seals. The bears don't need ice to survive, because their DNA says they were originally Asian brown bears.
Nuts, less sea ice means LESS opportunity for the Polar Bear to survive because there will be MORE contact with humans.........boats, oil slicks, and other hazards of civilization. They have "threatened status" now. That really ends ANY POSSIBLE ARGUMENTS.

[Keefelane66]

Well slap my @ss and call me Charlie... I learned something new today!

I always thought it was open air mined...
In Africa they strip mine, it depends on how close the surface.

[jimjamuser]

Greenland was indeed green and welcoming for the Vikings many years ago.
Today in Alaska, where the ice has receded, they are finding arrowheads and reindeer scat indicating the ice was less than 5,000 years old.
Cycles come and go without the influence of insignificant little people.
Not true. MAN is the reason for the HOTTER climate worldwide in the LAST 8 years. WE ALL felt the HEAT THIS SUMMER RIGHT HERE in TV Land for anyone that played any sports outdoors. There were practically ZERO Pickleball players in the afternoon on the courts that I saw. Just feel the HEAT here in the afternoon and read about as RECORD HEAT as recorded by scientists. SCIENCE and your own INTUITION are telling you that the world environment is going to s--- in a handbasket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Causey]

This is all great entertainment. The best part, is that insignificant humans, arrogantly believe they know what happened in the past and what will happen in the future. All pure arrogance.

[sounding]

Not true. MAN is the reason for the HOTTER climate worldwide in the LAST 8 years. WE ALL felt the HEAT THIS SUMMER RIGHT HERE in TV Land for anyone that played any sports outdoors. There were practically ZERO Pickleball players in the afternoon on the courts that I saw. Just feel the HEAT here in the afternoon and read about as RECORD HEAT as recorded by scientists. SCIENCE and your own INTUITION are telling you that the world environment is going to s--- in a handbasket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't like heat, just be glad you didn't live during the dust bowl - when it was much warmer than today - and CO2 was much lower.

[sounding]

This is all great entertainment. The best part, is that insignificant humans, arrogantly believe they know what happened in the past and what will happen in the future. All pure arrogance.

Arrogance is not a crime. Data tampering should be a crime.

[Topspinmo]

I've been wondering where you've been hiding.

Nice to see your source of science is the...... farmers almanac?!?!?!? FYI the same publication predictes the summer of 2024 is going to be record hot! I can't wait for you to explain your way out of that one.:icon_bored:


Summer is always record hot somewhere.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, now I get the picture. We are supposed to disbelieve NASA with hundreds of employees and a million-dollar budget and instead, we should believe ONE guy in TV Land. That makes sense!


Depends on the objective.

[Topspinmo]

Not true. MAN is the reason for the HOTTER climate worldwide in the LAST 8 years. WE ALL felt the HEAT THIS SUMMER RIGHT HERE in TV Land for anyone that played any sports outdoors. There were practically ZERO Pickleball players in the afternoon on the courts that I saw. Just feel the HEAT here in the afternoon and read about as RECORD HEAT as recorded by scientists. SCIENCE and your own INTUITION are telling you that the world environment is going to s--- in a handbasket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This summer was no hotter than last summer, maybe few more days in 90’s. If was just as hot when I moved to Florida 9 years ago. The last two winters has been colder and seen lowest temperatures last winter in my area 24 degrees and several nights in upper 20’s.

It’s hot and humid in central Florida in summers it always has been why snowbirds leave.

The world overpopulated and USA being invaded, Which removes more forests. I was born in northern Missouri, nearly all forests and natural wet lands bulldozed to plant corn and soybeans. This also includes all the flyover states. But being they are flyover states not that important. World population and de-forestry the underline problem and that will never be fixed.

[Velvet]

Wait a minute ... 2.5 million year old Ice Age? Is the earth that Old? Check your Bible ...

Ah, the Bible is not talking about “human” years…. There are different definition of years used. But that’s another topic.

[jimjamuser]

This is all great entertainment. The best part, is that insignificant humans, arrogantly believe they know what happened in the past and what will happen in the future. All pure arrogance.
The past, AKA History is pretty well known by experts (Historians). Maybe each and every detail is not known. And as to the future, I have just relayed what scientists predict - that the whole earth will HEAT UP increasingly for the next 8 years at least. And it won't stop HEATING UP until about 70% of worldwide vehicle sales are E-vehicles in order to decrease CO2 leaving the exhaust pipes of IC engines!

[jimjamuser]

If you don't like heat, just be glad you didn't live during the dust bowl - when it was much warmer than today - and CO2 was much lower.
So many graphs, so little UNDERSTANDING !

[jimjamuser]

Ah, the Bible is not talking about “human” years…. There are different definition of years used. But that’s another topic.
SSSS ------OOOO, a different time scale 1 Bible year equals X number of normal human years????????

[JMintzer]

Apparently, the Native Americans in the Arctic area, who likely have not-so-wonderful lives, see a chance to make the big bucks, and to hell with the Polar bear!

Tell me you know nothing about wildlife management without telling me you know nothing about wildlife management...

[JMintzer]

Nuts, less sea ice means LESS opportunity for the Polar Bear to survive because there will be MORE contact with humans.........boats, oil slicks, and other hazards of civilization. They have "threatened status" now. That really ends ANY POSSIBLE ARGUMENTS.

Yes, that is why there are so many more of them...

[JMintzer]

In Africa they strip mine, it depends on how close the surface.

That I knew. But I thought that was the only way to mine it...

[JMintzer]

Not true. MAN is the reason for the HOTTER climate worldwide in the LAST 8 years. WE ALL felt the HEAT THIS SUMMER RIGHT HERE in TV Land for anyone that played any sports outdoors. There were practically ZERO Pickleball players in the afternoon on the courts that I saw. Just feel the HEAT here in the afternoon and read about as RECORD HEAT as recorded by scientists. SCIENCE and your own INTUITION are telling you that the world environment is going to s--- in a handbasket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahhh, the Pickleball Conundrum... What unit of measurement does that use?

[JMintzer]

The past, AKA History is pretty well known by experts (Historians). Maybe each and every detail is not known. And as to the future, I have just relayed what scientists predict - that the whole earth will HEAT UP increasingly for the next 8 years at least. And it won't stop HEATING UP until about 70% of worldwide vehicle sales are E-vehicles in order to decrease CO2 leaving the exhaust pipes of IC engines!

Funny, you still won't answer the question... What EV do you drive?

[Stu from NYC]

Funny, you still won't answer the question... What EV do you drive?

Do as I say not as I do. Kind of made famous by Al Gore who thought he can preach all about global warming by having one of the largest carbon footprints in the world.

[Velvet]

SSSS ------OOOO, a different time scale 1 Bible year equals X number of normal human years????????

The word “years” is simply one version of defining time. We have a sort of agreed upon definition how we use the term now. But the word had different meaning to past civilizations. And before, what was a dinosaur year? An moon year? A sun year? A solar system year? “Rubber ruler” anyone?

[sounding]

The habitat of the Polar bear (floating ice) is down 33% in the Arctic over the past 20 years. The RATE of sea ice LOSS is accelerating. The Arctic will be 4 degrees C warmer in the next year. In 2050 RAIN will be falling instead of SNOW for many MONTHS. Polar bear and oil worker conflicts are increasing as bears are driven onto LAND. Currently, polar bears are listed as THREATENED. Soon they will be reevaluated for possible ENDANGERED STATUS.

Even the Sierra Club is in on an the climate scam. Scare-mongering is profitable - just ask Al Gore.

[jimjamuser]

The word “years” is simply one version of defining time. We have a sort of agreed upon definition how we use the term now. But the word had different meaning to past civilizations. And before, what was a dinosaur year? An moon year? A sun year? A solar system year? “Rubber ruler” anyone?
OK. I still love your ideas and your mind.

[Keefelane66]

I’ve been to The Creationism Museum it is absolutely proven by bible genealogy the earth is only 6,000 years old you might take that to the bank.

[jimjamuser]

Even the Sierra Club is in on an the climate scam. Scare-mongering is profitable - just ask Al Gore.
Both Paul Beckwith AND Al Gore were correct FOR THEIR TIME. VP GORE WAS so EARLY with his warning that the enormous oil and gas LOBBY were able to get people to laugh about Global Warming. And Mr. Beckwith was CORRECT that the Arctic ice sheet was starting to MELT. Today fully 1/3 IS melted. Everyone paying ANY attention to international events KNOWS that Russia, the US, Finland, Sweden, and many other countries have a HUGE interest in the Arctic as direct transportation route, for fishing, for minerals (lithium), and for fishing - as fishing around the dying coral reefs is also dying.
........There are pictures from space showing the Arctic ice decreasing to 2/3 rds of what it was 20 years ago. And the reason it has melted is because of our old friend HEAT REFLECTION from the CO2 in the upper atmosphere. That IS why worldwide and in Florida we have had RECORD heat this year so far in the summer. Any scientist will tell you that! So will any senior in The Villages who has lived here more than 10 years - they will tell you that this summer has been TOO HOT. 7th graders can probably tell you that this is the warmest summer that they have ever experienced.
......And next year it will be another record heat summer. The on and on for at least 10 years or until the world wakes up and starts buying ELECTRIC VEHICLES. Funny thing, China is doing MORE about this than the US is. They have some EXCELLENT E-vehicles that they can build in HUGE quantities. And they WILL be selling them to Australia, New Zealand, and others because the US is behind the 8-ball because of the oil and gas lobby HOLDING the US back. We produce ONLY 8% of Electric new vehicles. Europe does double that much and China and S. Korea are beating the US to the market (our own market).
.........The summary conclusion is SIMPLE. The US can STOP its contribution to HEAT AND AIR POLLUTION, which will help the HEALTH of US citizens - we can stay competitive in car and truck production worldwide, and we can stop the continuing RECORD HEAT warnings in the summer - by SIMPLY dialing back on the sales of NEW ICE VEHICLES and buying E-vehicles.

[jimjamuser]

Even the Sierra Club is in on an the climate scam. Scare-mongering is profitable - just ask Al Gore.
Both Paul Beckwith AND Al Gore were correct FOR THEIR TIME. VP GORE WAS so EARLY with his warning that the enormous oil and gas LOBBY were able to get people to laugh about Global Warming. And Mr. Beckwith was CORRECT that the Arctic ice sheet was starting to MELT. Today fully 1/3 IS melted. Everyone paying ANY attention to international events KNOWS that Russia, the US, Finland, Sweden, and many other countries have a HUGE interest in the Arctic as direct transportation route, for fishing, for minerals (lithium), and for fishing - as fishing around the dying coral reefs is also dying.
........There are pictures from space showing the Arctic ice decreasing to 2/3 rds of what it was 20 years ago. And the reason it has melted is because of our old friend HEAT REFLECTION from the CO2 in the upper atmosphere. That IS why worldwide and in Florida we have had RECORD heat this year so far in the summer. Any scientist will tell you that! So will any senior in The Villages who has lived here more than 10 years - they will tell you that this summer has been TOO HOT. 7th graders can probably tell you that this is the warmest summer that they have ever experienced.
......And next year it will be another record heat summer. The on and on for at least 10 years or until the world wakes up and starts buying ELECTRIC VEHICLES. Funny thing, China is doing MORE about this than the US is. They have some EXCELLENT E-vehicles that they can build in HUGE quantities. And they WILL be selling them to Australia, New Zealand, and others because the US is behind the 8-ball because of the oil and gas lobby HOLDING the US back. We produce ONLY 8% of Electric new vehicles. Europe does double that much and China and S. Korea are beating the US to the market (our own market).
.........The summary conclusion is SIMPLE. The US can STOP its contribution to HEAT AND AIR POLLUTION, which will help the HEALTH of US citizens - we can stay competitive in car and truck production worldwide, and we can stop the continuing RECORD HEAT warnings in the summer - by SIMPLY dialing back on the sales of NEW ICE VEHICLES and buying E-vehicles.

[Stu from NYC]

Both Paul Beckwith AND Al Gore were correct FOR THEIR TIME. VP GORE WAS so EARLY with his warning that the enormous oil and gas LOBBY were able to get people to laugh about Global Warming. And Mr. Beckwith was CORRECT that the Arctic ice sheet was starting to MELT. Today fully 1/3 IS melted. Everyone paying ANY attention to international events KNOWS that Russia, the US, Finland, Sweden, and many other countries have a HUGE interest in the Arctic as direct transportation route, for fishing, for minerals (lithium), and for fishing - as fishing around the dying coral reefs is also dying.
........There are pictures from space showing the Arctic ice decreasing to 2/3 rds of what it was 20 years ago. And the reason it has melted is because of our old friend HEAT REFLECTION from the CO2 in the upper atmosphere. That IS why worldwide and in Florida we have had RECORD heat this year so far in the summer. Any scientist will tell you that! So will any senior in The Villages who has lived here more than 10 years - they will tell you that this summer has been TOO HOT. 7th graders can probably tell you that this is the warmest summer that they have ever experienced.
......And next year it will be another record heat summer. The on and on for at least 10 years or until the world wakes up and starts buying ELECTRIC VEHICLES. Funny thing, China is doing MORE about this than the US is. They have some EXCELLENT E-vehicles that they can build in HUGE quantities. And they WILL be selling them to Australia, New Zealand, and others because the US is behind the 8-ball because of the oil and gas lobby HOLDING the US back. We produce ONLY 8% of Electric new vehicles. Europe does double that much and China and S. Korea are beating the US to the market (our own market).
.........The summary conclusion is SIMPLE. The US can STOP its contribution to HEAT AND AIR POLLUTION, which will help the HEALTH of US citizens - we can stay competitive in car and truck production worldwide, and we can stop the continuing RECORD HEAT warnings in the summer - by SIMPLY dialing back on the sales of NEW ICE VEHICLES and buying E-vehicles.

By saying the same thing over and over, above you posted same thing twice, do you really think you are changing anyones opinion?

Gore talked till he was blue in the face saying nonsense and was a hypocrite with a huge carbon footprint.

[Pugchief]

Funny, you still won't answer the question... What EV do you drive?



Gore talked till he was blue in the face saying nonsense and was a hypocrite with a huge carbon footprint.

Apparently, Gore isn't the only hypocrite here....

[sounding]

Both Paul Beckwith AND Al Gore were correct FOR THEIR TIME. VP GORE WAS so EARLY with his warning that the enormous oil and gas LOBBY were able to get people to laugh about Global Warming. And Mr. Beckwith was CORRECT that the Arctic ice sheet was starting to MELT. Today fully 1/3 IS melted. Everyone paying ANY attention to international events KNOWS that Russia, the US, Finland, Sweden, and many other countries have a HUGE interest in the Arctic as direct transportation route, for fishing, for minerals (lithium), and for fishing - as fishing around the dying coral reefs is also dying.
........There are pictures from space showing the Arctic ice decreasing to 2/3 rds of what it was 20 years ago. And the reason it has melted is because of our old friend HEAT REFLECTION from the CO2 in the upper atmosphere. That IS why worldwide and in Florida we have had RECORD heat this year so far in the summer. Any scientist will tell you that! So will any senior in The Villages who has lived here more than 10 years - they will tell you that this summer has been TOO HOT. 7th graders can probably tell you that this is the warmest summer that they have ever experienced.
......And next year it will be another record heat summer. The on and on for at least 10 years or until the world wakes up and starts buying ELECTRIC VEHICLES. Funny thing, China is doing MORE about this than the US is. They have some EXCELLENT E-vehicles that they can build in HUGE quantities. And they WILL be selling them to Australia, New Zealand, and others because the US is behind the 8-ball because of the oil and gas lobby HOLDING the US back. We produce ONLY 8% of Electric new vehicles. Europe does double that much and China and S. Korea are beating the US to the market (our own market).
.........The summary conclusion is SIMPLE. The US can STOP its contribution to HEAT AND AIR POLLUTION, which will help the HEALTH of US citizens - we can stay competitive in car and truck production worldwide, and we can stop the continuing RECORD HEAT warnings in the summer - by SIMPLY dialing back on the sales of NEW ICE VEHICLES and buying E-vehicles.

There is no need for the world to wake up, but there is a need for better climate education - especially about the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which is why we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Eventually all the ice will melt, and then it will come back again after the solar cycles begin the cooling phases in a couple hundreds years. Enjoy global warming while it lasts.

[jimjamuser]

There is no need for the world to wake up, but there is a need for better climate education - especially about the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which is why we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Eventually all the ice will melt, and then it will come back again after the solar cycles begin the cooling phases in a couple hundreds years. Enjoy global warming while it lasts.
More inane, useless graphs. Concentrate on MAN-MADE (recent, within 12 years) Global WARMING. Can we say WARMING together...........now say Global Warming.....now man-made Global Warming.....now say - RECENT man-made Global Warming. Okay, class now you are getting the hang of it.
Here it is in SIMPLIFIED FORM...........recent big global population increase.....yields big car and truck CO2 increase.........yields recent big HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere (AKA sky).......yields RECORD summer HEAT felt worldwide and measured by Climate Scientists.
.....Also, record HEAT felt by Pickleball players outside in TV Land.

[sounding]

More inane, useless graphs. Concentrate on MAN-MADE (recent, within 12 years) Global WARMING. Can we say WARMING together...........now say Global Warming.....now man-made Global Warming.....now say - RECENT man-made Global Warming. Okay, class now you are getting the hang of it.
Here it is in SIMPLIFIED FORM...........recent big global population increase.....yields big car and truck CO2 increase.........yields recent big HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere (AKA sky).......yields RECORD summer HEAT felt worldwide and measured by Climate Scientists.
.....Also, record HEAT felt by Pickleball players outside in TV Land.

Thank you for your helpful comments. Today, three more have signed up for Weather Club notifications to find out more about natural climate change and why man-made climate change is a hoax. We've never changed the climate - but we are enhancing the climate - for the better - just ask the polar bears and the corals.

[dwoodley1975]

It does not.

[Stu from NYC]

It does not.

How do you expect anyone to understand what you are referring to without quoting what you were responding too.

[JP]

I hate to tell people but...electric vehicles will make a blip of an impact on global warming.

[Stu from NYC]

I hate to tell people but...electric vehicles will make a blip of an impact on global warming.

A very frequent poster on here just might disagree with you.

[sounding]

I hate to tell people but...electric vehicles will make a blip of an impact on global warming.

Ditto -- plus they add more pollution problems ... Rein In Electric Vehicles - Donn Dears LLC (https://ddears.com/2023/09/19/rein-in-electric-vehicles/)

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for your helpful comments. Today, three more have signed up for Weather Club notifications to find out more about natural climate change and why man-made climate change is a hoax. We've never changed the climate - but we are enhancing the climate - for the better - just ask the polar bears and the corals.
Thank you for the politeness. So, the "so-called" weather club is telling people that man-made Climate Change is a HOAX. I wish that WERE TRUE. If that were true, I would NOT have to waste my time trying to use logic and remind people that most all REAL Climate Scientists say that it IS MAN-MADE.........and it IS HEATING up the whole PLANET (our beloved Earth). It is caused by the series of factors that I described in post #131 so no point in me retyping that logic.
......As to the last sentence in the post about Polar Bears and Coral reefs - it is 180 degrees incorrect....it is BACKWARDS. Polar Bears are classed as "Threatened" by experts. Sorry, but you are NOT an expert on Polar Bears so you can say that Polar Bears are doing wonderfully. But, EXPERTS, not little me, are saying that you are making a dishonest statement. And I have seen scuba diving videos where divers come up onto their boat CRYING that the Coral Reefs are dead. So, it seems to me that they are the experts because I DOUBT very seriously that you personally have taken dive trips to Coral Reefs. So, I suspect that you are getting your incorrect information from one of the dark misinformation sites (even some started by Russian trolls).

[jimjamuser]

It does not.
Got to LOVE comments like this one. A reader is left with the question, "what does NOT do what" ? I guess it was directed to those mind-readers on TOTV.

[sounding]

Thank you for the politeness. So, the "so-called" weather club is telling people that man-made Climate Change is a HOAX. I wish that WERE TRUE. If that were true, I would NOT have to waste my time trying to use logic and remind people that most all REAL Climate Scientists say that it IS MAN-MADE.........and it IS HEATING up the whole PLANET (our beloved Earth). It is caused by the series of factors that I described in post #131 so no point in me retyping that logic.
......As to the last sentence in the post about Polar Bears and Coral reefs - it is 180 degrees incorrect....it is BACKWARDS. Polar Bears are classed as "Threatened" by experts. Sorry, but you are NOT an expert on Polar Bears so you can say that Polar Bears are doing wonderfully. But, EXPERTS, not little me, are saying that you are making a dishonest statement. And I have seen scuba diving videos where divers come up onto their boat CRYING that the Coral Reefs are dead. So, it seems to me that they are the experts because I DOUBT very seriously that you personally have taken dive trips to Coral Reefs. So, I suspect that you are getting your incorrect information from one of the dark misinformation sites (even some started by Russian trolls).

You are allowed to believe the media -- I prefer to believe the data -- which says you too can hunt polar bears for about $50,000 per harvest. Would you like to split the cost for a hunt? Guns or bows are allowed ... Canadian Arctic Polar Bear Hunt - Ameri-Cana Expeditions (https://www.ameri-cana.com/north-american-hunting/canadian-arctic-polar-bear-hunt)

[fishon]

You short sighted people kill me.
The Milky Way is going to collide with Andromeda and you people are cranked up about the weather.

[Davonu]

I repeat for the nth time: The one thing constant about climate…it changes.

Does mankind contribute? Likely some.

Is mankind solely responsible? No way.

[jimjamuser]

I hate to tell people but...electric vehicles will make a blip of an impact on global warming.
OK, that statement would depend on where we are at in the time evolution of electric vehicles. It is true that today they will make less of an effect than they will tomorrow. Scientists and I believe that in the future they will save the EARTH from a deadly FUTURE full of Global Warming.
.......Even today........The US has 8 % of its new vehicle sales to be E-vehicles. This is DESPITE strong pressure from the oil and gas MEGA-dollar-backed naysayers implanted in the US Federal Government. Europe is buying new E-vehicles at a rate about DOUBLE that of the US.
...........S.Korea is making E-vehicles to sell to Australia, New Zealand, and others.
..........Independent Electric car and truck manufacturers are springing up all over the US and World. Because E-vehicles are EASIER to produce BECAUSE the engine naturally rotates 360 degrees right from the "get-go" , uses much fewer parts, and has high INSTANTANEOUS torque.
...........China is FULLY COMMITTED to E-vehicles. China has a HUGE population so their MANY manufacturers can sell to their home China population or to Australia, New Zealand, and many others. This will help China with its pollution problem, while also helping the WORLD with its CO2 pollution problem - which is HEATING UP OUR PLANET

[jimjamuser]

You are allowed to believe the media -- I prefer to believe the data -- which says you too can hunt polar bears for about $50,000 per harvest. Would you like to split the cost for a hunt? Guns or bows are allowed ... Canadian Arctic Polar Bear Hunt - Ameri-Cana Expeditions (https://www.ameri-cana.com/north-american-hunting/canadian-arctic-polar-bear-hunt)
I have forgotten more about HUNTING than most people know. As far as polar bears go, only a FOOL (with a death wish) would try to KILL a polar bear with a bow WITHOUT a guide backup with a RIFLE. Yes, a hunting party of Arctic natives could kill a polar bear with only arrows, but they are exceptional, and would probably have a rifle backup.
.........Let's go over this one MORE time.........Polar bears live mainly on Sea Ice. When they set PAWS on firm ground, the native North Americans and whites also kill them. They MUST live on Sea Ice. Sea Ice has DECREASED by 33% in the last 20 years. Scientists predict that it will RAIN (not snow) for long periods in the Arctic by 2050. So, that is WHY Polar Bears are "threatened" and will be looked at scientifically to potentially be placed on the ENDANGERED species list. This is the ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC present and future status for Polar Bears.
........If some POLITICAL ENTITY IN CANADA wants to hunt them..........I don't care........except to say they are STUPID.............and the world of environmental protectors SHOULD get together and stop that. I think that I will call my friend Greta Thunberg and make that suggestion.

[sounding]

I have forgotten more about HUNTING than most people know. As far as polar bears go, only a FOOL (with a death wish) would try to KILL a polar bear with a bow WITHOUT a guide backup with a RIFLE. Yes, a hunting party of Arctic natives could kill a polar bear with only arrows, but they are exceptional, and would probably have a rifle backup.
.........Let's go over this one MORE time.........Polar bears live mainly on Sea Ice. When they set PAWS on firm ground, the native North Americans and whites also kill them. They MUST live on Sea Ice. Sea Ice has DECREASED by 33% in the last 20 years. Scientists predict that it will RAIN (not snow) for long periods in the Arctic by 2050. So, that is WHY Polar Bears are "threatened" and will be looked at scientifically to potentially be placed on the ENDANGERED species list. This is the ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC present and future status for Polar Bears.
........If some POLITICAL ENTITY IN CANADA wants to hunt them..........I don't care........except to say they are STUPID.............and the world of environmental protectors SHOULD get together and stop that. I think that I will call my friend Greta Thunberg and make that suggestion.

And many also said -- only a fool would fly in an airplane. If we split the hunting costs, you get to keep the rug -- using either gun or bow -- but the Inuit hunting guides keep all else - for the family & dogs ... 403 Forbidden (http://www.bowhuntingsafari.com/canpolarbear.html) By the way, the international community did get together and allow hunting of excess bear populations - thanks to global warming and more CO2.

[dewilson58]

Seems warmer today.

[sounding]

I have forgotten more about HUNTING than most people know. As far as polar bears go, only a FOOL (with a death wish) would try to KILL a polar bear with a bow WITHOUT a guide backup with a RIFLE. Yes, a hunting party of Arctic natives could kill a polar bear with only arrows, but they are exceptional, and would probably have a rifle backup.
.........Let's go over this one MORE time.........Polar bears live mainly on Sea Ice. When they set PAWS on firm ground, the native North Americans and whites also kill them. They MUST live on Sea Ice. Sea Ice has DECREASED by 33% in the last 20 years. Scientists predict that it will RAIN (not snow) for long periods in the Arctic by 2050. So, that is WHY Polar Bears are "threatened" and will be looked at scientifically to potentially be placed on the ENDANGERED species list. This is the ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC present and future status for Polar Bears.
........If some POLITICAL ENTITY IN CANADA wants to hunt them..........I don't care........except to say they are STUPID.............and the world of environmental protectors SHOULD get together and stop that. I think that I will call my friend Greta Thunberg and make that suggestion.

Imagine that, even Talk of the Villages has gone woke and blocked the link I provided about hunting. All you have to do is search for "polar bear bow hunting" to find out a little more about reality - versus fake news

[jimjamuser]

I repeat for the nth time: The one thing constant about climate…it changes.

Does mankind contribute? Likely some.

Is mankind solely responsible? No way.
In this case, MANKIND IS mainly (probably solely) responsible. Around the world, for the last 10 years, more and more RECORD temperatures have been recorded (due to CO2 heat reflection from the upper atmosphere). This summer in the US and the world they have seen devastating HEAT records. Melting Antarctic ice and Arctic ice has caused the oceans to rise dramatically (and Heat is killing Coral reefs). Right here in TV Land, the afternoons were excessively RECORD HOT. Mankind (and ManNotSoKind) are responsible through increased populations of buyers of CO2 producing cars, trucks, and even golf cars.
.........Let me ask this question - why RECENTLY are large groups of illegal migrants moving northward into the US? It is because the RECENT HEAT has dried up their crops and made city life in South America oppressively HOT. If the man on TOTV who always disagrees with me was correct, (and says that it is getting cooler) then there would NOT be the masses RUSHING the southern US border. But, he must be saying that I am really NOT seeing those masses crossing the Rio Grande River. And the New York Mayor must be wrong when he says that he has a problem with illegal migrants on the streets of N.Y. Talk about that at the next meeting of the pseudo-Weather Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sounding]

In this case, MANKIND IS mainly (probably solely) responsible. Around the world, for the last 10 years, more and more RECORD temperatures have been recorded (due to CO2 heat reflection from the upper atmosphere). This summer in the US and the world they have seen devastating HEAT records. Melting Antarctic ice and Arctic ice has caused the oceans to rise dramatically (and Heat is killing Coral reefs). Right here in TV Land, the afternoons were excessively RECORD HOT. Mankind (and ManNotSoKind) are responsible through increased populations of buyers of CO2 producing cars, trucks, and even golf cars.
.........Let me ask this question - why RECENTLY are large groups of illegal migrants moving northward into the US? It is because the RECENT HEAT has dried up their crops and made city life in South America oppressively HOT. If the man on TOTV who always disagrees with me was correct, (and says that it is getting cooler) then there would NOT be the masses RUSHING the southern US border. But, he must be saying that I am really NOT seeing those masses crossing the Rio Grande River. And the New York Mayor must be wrong when he says that he has a problem with illegal migrants on the streets of N.Y. Talk about that at the next meeting of the pseudo-Weather Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, if you truly believe man is causing global warming, then tell me ... how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year? Please provide peer-reviewed source material - not opinions - but data.

[jimjamuser]

And many also said -- only a fool would fly in an airplane. If we split the hunting costs, you get to keep the rug -- using either gun or bow -- but the Inuit hunting guides keep all else - for the family & dogs ... 403 Forbidden (http://www.bowhuntingsafari.com/canpolarbear.html) By the way, the international community did get together and allow hunting of excess bear populations - thanks to global warming and more CO2.
I doubt that about the international community. Maybe the international community of greedy native North Americans.

[JMintzer]

More inane, useless graphs. Concentrate on MAN-MADE (recent, within 12 years) Global WARMING. Can we say WARMING together...........now say Global Warming.....now man-made Global Warming.....now say - RECENT man-made Global Warming. Okay, class now you are getting the hang of it.
Here it is in SIMPLIFIED FORM...........recent big global population increase.....yields big car and truck CO2 increase.........yields recent big HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere (AKA sky).......yields RECORD summer HEAT felt worldwide and measured by Climate Scientists.
.....Also, record HEAT felt by Pickleball players outside in TV Land.

Do you have any empirical data on those pickelball players?

A graph would be nice...

[JMintzer]

You short sighted people kill me.
The Milky Way is going to collide with Andromeda and you people are cranked up about the weather.

There go my plans for next weekend...

[JMintzer]

Even today........The US has 8 % of its new vehicle sales to be E-vehicles. This is DESPITE strong pressure from the oil and gas MEGA-dollar-backed naysayers implanted in the US Federal Government.

1: It's only 6%, not 8%...

2: You also ignore the "strong pressure" from the US Federal and State Governments being applied to the car companies to increase production of EVs, even thought the car companies are LOSING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF $$$ on every one sold...

[JMintzer]

I have forgotten more about HUNTING than most people know. As far as polar bears go, only a FOOL (with a death wish) would try to KILL a polar bear with a bow WITHOUT a guide backup with a RIFLE. Yes, a hunting party of Arctic natives could kill a polar bear with only arrows, but they are exceptional, and would probably have a rifle backup.
.........Let's go over this one MORE time.........Polar bears live mainly on Sea Ice. When they set PAWS on firm ground, the native North Americans and whites also kill them. They MUST live on Sea Ice. Sea Ice has DECREASED by 33% in the last 20 years. Scientists predict that it will RAIN (not snow) for long periods in the Arctic by 2050. So, that is WHY Polar Bears are "threatened" and will be looked at scientifically to potentially be placed on the ENDANGERED species list. This is the ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC present and future status for Polar Bears.
........If some POLITICAL ENTITY IN CANADA wants to hunt them..........I don't care........except to say they are STUPID.............and the world of environmental protectors SHOULD get together and stop that. I think that I will call my friend Greta Thunberg and make that suggestion.

If the sea ice has decreased by 33%, why has the Polar Bear population grown by over 400%?

[JMintzer]

Seems warmer today.

You shoulda' bought an EV... :thumbup:

[JMintzer]

Imagine that, even Talk of the Villages has gone woke and blocked the link I provided about hunting. All you have to do is search for "polar bear bow hunting" to find out a little more about reality - versus fake news

Your link works just fine. Sometimes, when you post a link, it shows up with a weird title...

[JMintzer]

So, if you truly believe man is causing global warming, then tell me ... how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year? Please provide peer-reviewed source material - not opinions - but data.

He also completely ignores the increased water vapor in the atmosphere from the underwater volcano eruptions, which cause MORE heat buildup than CO2... Not to mention the other massive volcano eruptions that spew more CO2 into the atmosphere than man does...

[Topspinmo]

You short sighted people kill me.
The Milky Way is going to collide with Andromeda and you people are cranked up about the weather.

But our sun will be burnt out long before then. :confused:

[sounding]

I doubt that about the international community. Maybe the international community of greedy native North Americans.

I little due diligence on your part will show it was the circumpolar "international" community that produced a joined agreement agreement - but the media refuses to tell you. Just like the media refuses to tell you how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year -- because they can't find it.

[sounding]

If the sea ice has decreased by 33%, why has the Polar Bear population grown by over 400%?

Polar bears don't need ice to survive - they need seals - or humans. There is more than enough ice for them. Ice was much lower years ago and the bears did just fine. Ice is now growing - because we are in a 9-year cooling trend - see image. Remember - if it's about the climate and it's by the main stream media - it's fake news.

[sounding]

You shoulda' bought an EV... :thumbup:

Notice to EV owners ... it's getting harder to get car insurance ... John Lewis stops insuring electric cars over repair cost fears | NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/10/01/john-lewis-stops-insuring-electric-cars-over-repair-cost-fears/)

[jimjamuser]

Apparently, Gore isn't the only hypocrite here....
The important thing is NOT what vehicle the world's population drives now (20% of new sales are E-Vehicles) - the important thing is what people will be driving 5 years from now. Some facts : : 80% of NEW power plants being built are RENEWABLE. According to the Head of The International Energy Agency - F. Birol ( @fbirol) by 2030 (6 years away) worldwide fossil fuel use will begin a downward trend. Nuclear electrical generators are coming back due to both need and SAFETY.

[jimjamuser]

Global Warming IS NOT enjoyable. It will cause RECORD Hot temperatures this year and for about 8 more years until people wake up. It is causing many plants and animals to become extinct. Swedish Scientists are storing seeds of endangered plants at near zero degrees C in hidden vaults. Reef corals are 90% dead due to HEAT and high ocean CO2. Many of the Earth's animals and birds are becoming extinct because they can't adapt to the increasing HEAT.
.........The head of the International Energy Agency said that fossil fuels (oil, gas, and coal) will be gone in 20 to 25 years. Fossil Fuels will BEGIN to become less and less starting in 2030. (see @fbirol)

[jimjamuser]

Polar bears don't need ice to survive - they need seals - or humans. There is more than enough ice for them. Ice was much lower years ago and the bears did just fine. Ice is now growing - because we are in a 9-year cooling trend - see image. Remember - if it's about the climate and it's by the main stream media - it's fake news.
So many graphs, so little understanding!

[jimjamuser]

I little due diligence on your part will show it was the circumpolar "international" community that produced a joined agreement agreement - but the media refuses to tell you. Just like the media refuses to tell you how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year -- because they can't find it.
The Inuit Circumpolar Council (ICC) was founded in 1977. With the impact of Global Warming, Inuit have recorded RAIN lasting into the early winter season, something their warm clothing is NOT adapted to. Climate Change is impacting the Inuit way of life. As such, many Inuit Elders and hunters are concerned by accelerated changes to the land, water, weather system, and WILDLIFE. They are exploring things outside of the range observed in oral Histories............(All from the Google machine)

[fdpaq0580]

You are allowed to believe the media -- I prefer to believe the data -- which says you too can hunt polar bears for about $50,000 per harvest. Would you like to split the cost for a hunt? Guns or bows are allowed ... Canadian Arctic Polar Bear Hunt - Ameri-Cana Expeditions (https://www.ameri-cana.com/north-american-hunting/canadian-arctic-polar-bear-hunt)

Tazers. I wouldn't want to actually kill the bear, but I would like a chance to get away.

[fdpaq0580]

A very frequent poster on here just might disagree with you.

Blips! The more the merrier.

[jimjamuser]

I little due diligence on your part will show it was the circumpolar "international" community that produced a joined agreement agreement - but the media refuses to tell you. Just like the media refuses to tell you how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year -- because they can't find it.
In 2021 increased use of coal drove up global CO2 emissions by over 2 billion tons - the largest ever annual rise. Humans emit around 40 billion tons / year. CO2 is now more than 50 % higher than pre-industrial revolution levels. Scientists say that if CO2 doubles, it could raise the Average Global Temperature by 2.5 degrees C. We are already increasing the amount of energy that BOUNCES back to Earth because of the Greenhouse Effect, which is causing Global Warming with its many DESTRUCTIVE impacts.
........All facts from Scientific Articles located by Google.

[sounding]

The Inuit Circumpolar Council (ICC) was founded in 1977. With the impact of Global Warming, Inuit have recorded RAIN lasting into the early winter season, something their warm clothing is NOT adapted to. Climate Change is impacting the Inuit way of life. As such, many Inuit Elders and hunters are concerned by accelerated changes to the land, water, weather system, and WILDLIFE. They are exploring things outside of the range observed in oral Histories............(All from the Google machine)

Beautiful summary. And if you go back even further into the oral histories, you'll find that there was much less ice prior to the Little Ice Age. The Inuits didn't move to the land of ice & snow because they liked it. They originally moved there when it was warmer - when trees were growing.

[Decadeofdave]

This has been the coolest summer in 8 years in Ohio.
Only 2-90 degree days. July 14th golfed with jackets, 59 degree high. air conditioning is average -25 to -40 hours per month vs 2022. Heating up in June and July by + 10 to 15 hrs per month vs 2022. very odd, no one outside the area talks about this.

[sounding]

This has been the coolest summer in 8 years in Ohio.
Only 2-90 degree days. July 14th golfed with jackets, 59 degree high. air conditioning is average -25 to -40 hours per month vs 2022. Heating up in June and July by + 10 to 15 hrs per month vs 2022. very odd, no one outside the area talks about this.

You bet Ohio was cool - and the surrounding region - was below normal this summer (see atch image). The media will not publish this information - which is official NOAA data available on the Internet. At the Weather Club we talk about what the media refuses to talk about - the data versus the narrative. The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[jimjamuser]

Polar bears don't need ice to survive - they need seals - or humans. There is more than enough ice for them. Ice was much lower years ago and the bears did just fine. Ice is now growing - because we are in a 9-year cooling trend - see image. Remember - if it's about the climate and it's by the main stream media - it's fake news.
Not sure where that erroneous information about Polar Bears is coming from, BUT.....Reuters reports that Polar Bears will begin to disappear in about 2050 where the sea ice is melting most rapidly. Slate.com says that a study predicts polar Bear EXTINCTION by 2100 if greenhouse gas emissions remain at the current trajectory.

[sounding]

Not sure where that erroneous information about Polar Bears is coming from, BUT.....Reuters reports that Polar Bears will begin to disappear in about 2050 where the sea ice is melting most rapidly. Slate.com says that a study predicts polar Bear EXTINCTION by 2100 if greenhouse gas emissions remain at the current trajectory.

The answer is simple - money & power. Your references are in the business in making money. Participating in climate alarmism is very profitable (aka. Al Gore). Your best information comes from independent authorities like: polarbearscience.com

[jimjamuser]

You bet Ohio was cool - and the surrounding region - was below normal this summer (see atch image). The media will not publish this information - which is official NOAA data available on the Internet. At the Weather Club we talk about what the media refuses to talk about - the data versus the narrative. The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
That map proves my points perfectly. MOST of the US shows HIGHER than NORMAL temperatures on THAT MAP. In fact, the summer of 2023 set a RECORD for the HIGHEST temperatures ever worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean waters around Florida set all-time high records. The oceans rose the most ever worldwide.
..........People who have lived over 10 years in Fl know that this summer was KILLER HOT. Very few people played ANY SPORTS outside in the afternoon here this summer. Personally, I played some sports outside this summer, but NEVER again. Next summer will find me on an exercise mat INDOORS at some group class (like YOGA maybe). The next 8 years are predicted to keep being increasingly HOT, RECORD-SETTING HOT.
.......The Head of the International Energy Agency was a LITTLE more hopeful when he said that after 2030, fossil fuel usage will begin to curve downward BECAUSE of RENEWABLES and nuclear energy will make a comeback due to need and increased SAFETY!

[sounding]

That map proves my points perfectly. MOST of the US shows HIGHER than NORMAL temperatures on THAT MAP. In fact, the summer of 2023 set a RECORD for the HIGHEST temperatures ever worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean waters around Florida set all-time high records. The oceans rose the most ever worldwide.
..........People who have lived over 10 years in Fl know that this summer was KILLER HOT. Very few people played ANY SPORTS outside in the afternoon here this summer. Personally, I played some sports outside this summer, but NEVER again. Next summer will find me on an exercise mat INDOORS at some group class (like YOGA maybe). The next 8 years are predicted to keep being increasingly HOT, RECORD-SETTING HOT.
.......The Head of the International Energy Agency was a LITTLE more hopeful when he said that after 2030, fossil fuel usage will begin to curve downward BECAUSE of RENEWABLES and nuclear energy will make a comeback due to need and increased SAFETY!

So why was Ohio and region cooler than normal? Too much CO2? Don't forget, we are still in a 9-year cooling trend - and that map was just Jun-Jul-Aug data.

[fdpaq0580]

So why was Ohio and region cooler than normal? Too much CO2? Don't forget, we are still in a 9-year cooling trend - and that map was just Jun-Jul-Aug data.

OK. So why was most of the US out of "normal" on your chart warmer than cooler? Who are you trying to fool by continually confusing weather anomalies with climate stats? Why focus on Ohio when it would be more honest to look at the entirety of the US including Alaska and Hawaii. Better yet, look at the entire planet, not one or a few cherry picked locations or weather anomalies to try to support a false narrative.

[sounding]

OK. So why was most of the US out of "normal" on your chart warmer than cooler? Who are you trying to fool by continually confusing weather anomalies with climate stats?

I repeat ... So why was Ohio and region cooler than normal?

[MorTech]

Beats talking about Politics !

The political terrorists have made the earth's climate political.

We were in a 14 year cooling trend which is now ending since 2021. See Solar Cycle 25.

Solar cycle 25 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle_25)

[Two Bills]

The claim that the Polar Bear population has grown by 400% has been pretty much been shown as not true.
Polar Bear population has risen in some areas, and fallen in others, but overall the population numbers are relatively static.
The Polar Ice is important for Seals and Polar Bears.
Seals give birth on the winter ice, and the bears need the ice to hunt the seals.
Without substantial ice flow, the bears cannot get to their main food source.
Both species need ice to thrive.
No doubt they will adapt over time, if the amount of ice reduces dramatically, but in the short term it will be a major problem.
Emperor Penguins have also been in trouble with ice melting prematurely, losing many young from drowning before the chicks completed their molt.

[dewilson58]

Seems warmer today.

Seems cooler today.

[sounding]

The claim that the Polar Bear population has grown by 400% has been pretty much been shown as not true.
Polar Bear population has risen in some areas, and fallen in others, but overall the population numbers are relatively static.
The Polar Ice is important for Seals and Polar Bears.
Seals give birth on the winter ice, and the bears need the ice to hunt the seals.
Without substantial ice flow, the bears cannot get to their main food source.
Both species need ice to thrive.
No doubt they will adapt over time, if the amount of ice reduces dramatically, but in the short term it will be a major problem.
Emperor Penguins have also been in trouble with ice melting prematurely, losing many young from drowning before the chicks completed their molt.

Polar bears, like humans, can adapt ...New evidence that polar bears survived 1,600 years of ice-free summers in the early Holocene | polarbearscience (https://polarbearscience.com/2023/06/16/new-evidence-that-polar-bears-survived-1600-years-of-ice-free-summers-in-the-early-holocene/)

[Two Bills]

Warmer in UK over weekend, cooler today (64f) but warm for this time of year.
Five more degrees higher will be classed as heatwave, with warnings to cover up, avoid dehydrating, etc.etc.due to you know what! :icon_wink:

[Two Bills]

Polar bears, like humans, can adapt ...New evidence that polar bears survived 1,600 years of ice-free summers in the early Holocene | polarbearscience (https://polarbearscience.com/2023/06/16/new-evidence-that-polar-bears-survived-1600-years-of-ice-free-summers-in-the-early-holocene/)

Polar bears may have adapted and survived in those times.
But.
They they had no competition from human development, or population, unlike today's environment.
Totally different situation today. Until animals carry guns, they cannot win!

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Polar bears may have adapted and survived in those times.
But.
They they had no competition from human development, or population, unlike today's environment.
Totally different situation today. Until animals carry guns, they cannot win!

Global warming and CO2 are helping polar bears to expand. Just look at the growing trophy hunting industry. Does that sound like they're endangered? Arctic sea life is also expanding - because more sunlight is getting into the sea (due to less ice) to grow more photo-plankton and the rest of the food chain - including fish and seals. Good grief .... climate alarmism is running amuck these days.

[JMintzer]

Not sure where that erroneous information about Polar Bears is coming from, BUT.....Reuters reports that Polar Bears will begin to disappear in about 2050 where the sea ice is melting most rapidly. Slate.com says that a study predicts polar Bear EXTINCTION by 2100 if greenhouse gas emissions remain at the current trajectory.

They were predicting the same nonsense 20-30 years ago. But now, there are more than 4Xs the # of Polar Bears than there were back then...

Care to explain that FACT?

[Stu from NYC]

They were predicting the same nonsense 20-30 years ago. But now, there are more than 4Xs the # of Polar Bears than there were back then...

Care to explain that FACT?

Polar bears got together and mandated larger families? A friend told me to write this.

[Pugchief]

.........Let me ask this question - why RECENTLY are large groups of illegal migrants moving northward into the US? It is because the RECENT HEAT has dried up their crops and made city life in South America oppressively HOT.

LOL, No, it's because of crime and lack of jobs in their home country coupled with non-enforcement of current US immigration laws and sanctuary cities offering free food, housing, medical and education.

Not even Greta Thunberg would believe your claims.

[Two Bills]

Global warming and CO2 are helping polar bears to expand. Just look at the growing trophy hunting industry. Does that sound like they're endangered? Arctic sea life is also expanding - because more sunlight is getting into the sea (due to less ice) to grow more photo-plankton and the rest of the food chain - including fish and seals. Good grief .... climate alarmism is running amuck these days.

I never said endangered.
I said their numbers are basically static, and certainly not grown by the 400% you claim.
Fact is, the polar ice is forming later than usual, is not as thick, therefore making it harder for the bears to hunt their seal prey, and main diet.
I leave the hysterics to you.

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I never said endangered.
I said their numbers are basically static, and certainly not grown by the 400% you claim.
Fact is, the polar ice is forming later than usual, is not as thick, therefore making it harder for the bears to hunt their seal prey, and main diet.
I leave the hysterics to you.

"Harder" is subjective. Where's the "data" of the bear depopulation?

[Topspinmo]

ha ha The Farmers' Almanac. I get my weather forecasts off the National Enquirer.


Why not they’re guessing just like every body else.

[JMintzer]

I never said endangered.
I said their numbers are basically static, and certainly not grown by the 400% you claim.
Fact is, the polar ice is forming later than usual, is not as thick, therefore making it harder for the bears to hunt their seal prey, and main diet.
I leave the hysterics to you.

Last I checked, Quadrupled = 400%...

"The estimated polar bear population has quadrupled since 1950, rising from 10,000 bears in 1950 to 39,000 bears today."

Climate at a Glance: Polar Bears (https://climateataglance.com/climate-at-a-glance-polar-bears-and-climate/)

They are certainly not "static"...

[Stu from NYC]

Why not they’re guessing just like every body else.

Which farmers almanac are we talking about? Last I heard there was a plethora of them.

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Which farmers almanac are we talking about? Last I heard there was a plethora of them.

Forecast = Above normal snow and Below normal cold ... Winter Weather Forecast 2023-2024 | The Old Farmer's Almanac (https://www.almanac.com/winter-extended-forecast-farmers-almanac)

[golfing eagles]

I’ve been to The Creationism Museum it is absolutely proven by bible genealogy the earth is only 6,000 years old you might take that to the bank.

I think there are some trees that are older than that. Certainly many of the coral reefs that JJ states are bleached. The biblical city of Jericho dates back 8 or 9,000 years. Here's something that is more realistic to bank on-----add 6 zeros to the 6,000 and take 75% of it

[Byte1]

Where do people come up with this crap? When I first started using the Internet in the 1980s, it was available only to government (.gov), military (.mil), education (.edu), and computer companies (.com). What Al Gore did was act as a patron to encourage opening it up to be the incredibly successful utility that is now available to all.

But, don’t let facts get in the way of your agenda.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." :posting: :1rotfl:

[asianthree]

Polar Bears are multiplying because

For $19. A month you can save a polar bears family, and with your contributions you get this adorable blanket…..:oops:

[Byte1]

The past, AKA History is pretty well known by experts (Historians). Maybe each and every detail is not known. And as to the future, I have just relayed what scientists predict - that the whole earth will HEAT UP increasingly for the next 8 years at least. And it won't stop HEATING UP until about 70% of worldwide vehicle sales are E-vehicles in order to decrease CO2 leaving the exhaust pipes of IC engines!

And some "predict" the end of the world in five years. Sorry, too late to fix it so you might as well enjoy the heat. I am.
Remember, CO2 is your friend.

[Byte1]

He also completely ignores the increased water vapor in the atmosphere from the underwater volcano eruptions, which cause MORE heat buildup than CO2... Not to mention the other massive volcano eruptions that spew more CO2 into the atmosphere than man does...

These must be "man made/caused" volcanoes. I am sure that if we all pitch in a throw(I mean invest) a minute trillion bucks into a study, we can stop all volcano eruptions. I doubt it will stop climate change, but it will look real good and enable the creation of more millionaires/billionaires.

[Byte1]

Record highs in the summer is caused by "global warming" and record lows in the winter is also caused by "global warming." Thank goodness for global warming so that we will have "climate change." C'mon folks, if we all just pitch in and skip a few games of golf and a few ribeyes every week, we can subsidize a bunch of poor scientists while they study how climate change effects the sexual habits of field mice.

[sounding]

The past, AKA History is pretty well known by experts (Historians). Maybe each and every detail is not known. And as to the future, I have just relayed what scientists predict - that the whole earth will HEAT UP increasingly for the next 8 years at least. And it won't stop HEATING UP until about 70% of worldwide vehicle sales are E-vehicles in order to decrease CO2 leaving the exhaust pipes of IC engines!

1. Any idiot can claim to be an expert.
2. No one (expert or not) has ever successfully predicted climate change.
3. No one can predict the future - especially experts.

[JMintzer]

These must be "man made/caused" volcanoes. I am sure that if we all pitch in a throw(I mean invest) a minute trillion bucks into a study, we can stop all volcano eruptions. I doubt it will stop climate change, but it will look real good and enable the creation of more millionaires/billionaires.

I say we go back to tossing virgins into the volcanos...

Of course, we'd have to look outside TV to find one...:icon_wink: