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Rainger99
10-03-2023, 07:02 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 07:53 AM
And how many people would this put out of work? How about more research on more efficient engines?
CFrance
10-03-2023, 08:03 AM
The French have already banned short flights within their country since their train system is so convenient. Also, the transportation system is Europe is far superior to what we have here. You can get anywhere in Europe by train easily. In the summer of 2022, Spain was even offering free train transportation at times to bolster their tourism industry.
It would be a lot harder for Americans to travel if they had to limit themselves to four round-trip flights in a lifetime. The tourist industry would suffer greatly.
I don't think this will ever be enacted in France, and it's certainly a bad idea for the US.
Rainger99
10-03-2023, 08:08 AM
The French have already banned short flights within their country.
Wow!! I hadn’t heard that!
But the ban does not apply to private jets.
France Legally Bans Short-Haul Flights—Environmentalists Want More (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2023/06/04/france-legally-bans-short-haul-flights-environmentalists-want-more/)
Topspinmo
10-03-2023, 08:13 AM
And how many people would this put out of work? How about more research on more efficient engines?
Modern jet engines are very efficient. It boils down to travel. And most not going to limit their travel. Bottom line all about money. France can control it cause they have control. Not like this country. If France concerned then stop world travel to their country. But that boils down to Money again.
Bill14564
10-03-2023, 08:16 AM
Wow!! I hadn’t heard that!
But the ban does not apply to private jets.
France Legally Bans Short-Haul Flights—Environmentalists Want More (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2023/06/04/france-legally-bans-short-haul-flights-environmentalists-want-more/)
In almost all ways, there is no need to strive to be more like France.
On the other hand, if there was a reliable way to make a round trip by train in a day with eight hours at the destination, I would definitely prefer that to a flight. Unfortunately, I have never lived in a US city with train service that could support that.
cjrjck
10-03-2023, 08:22 AM
I believe over 60% of France's total domestic production of electricity is from nuclear power plants. That might be a place to start for the U.S. if your goal is to reduce carbon emissions.
tophcfa
10-03-2023, 08:30 AM
That’s easy to say for a country with a smaller geographic footprint than the state of Texas, people can easily get around the entire country without flying. Not so easy when you live in a country where you own two homes over 1,300 miles apart. A limit of four flights per year wouldn’t be good, forget about four per lifetime.
retiredguy123
10-03-2023, 08:30 AM
In almost all ways, there is no need to strive to be more like France.
On the other hand, if there was a reliable way to make a round trip by train in a day with eight hours at the destination, I would definitely prefer that to a flight. Unfortunately, I have never lived in a US city with train service that could support that.
When I was a Federal employee, we were not allowed to take Amtrak from Washington, DC to New York City, 200 miles. We had to fly because it was cheaper. So, we flew to LaGuardia Airport and took a taxi into Manhattan. Go figure.
Rainger99
10-03-2023, 08:41 AM
When I was a Federal employee, we were not allowed to take Amtrak from Washington, DC to New York City, 200 miles. We had to fly because it was cheaper. So, we flew to LaGuardia Airport and took a taxi into Manhattan. Go figure.
Did that save you any time?
I figure getting to the airport would be at least 45 minutes and possibly longer depending on traffic and you have to be at the airport at least 60-90 minutes for security, etc. The flight is about 90 minutes. And then you have to take a cab to the city.
The train ride is 3 to 3.5 hours.
retiredguy123
10-03-2023, 08:49 AM
Did that save you any time?
I figure getting to the airport would be at least 45 minutes and possibly longer depending on traffic and you have to be at the airport at least 60-90 minutes for security, etc. The flight is about 90 minutes. And then you have to take a cab to the city.
The train ride is 3 to 3.5 hours.
No, we lost time, but they didn't care about the time, just the cost. I don't know about today, but Amtrak was very expensive, even though it was heavily subsidized by the Government.
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 08:57 AM
I believe over 60% of France's total domestic production of electricity is from nuclear power plants. That might be a place to start for the U.S. if your goal is to reduce carbon emissions.
We should greatly expand production from nuclear power plants. No reason not to.
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 08:58 AM
When I was a Federal employee, we were not allowed to take Amtrak from Washington, DC to New York City, 200 miles. We had to fly because it was cheaper. So, we flew to LaGuardia Airport and took a taxi into Manhattan. Go figure.
Guess some bureaucrat made a decision and who knows what that cost us taxpayers in time and money
mtdjed
10-03-2023, 09:19 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
How many people have a fear of flying?
Between 33% and 40% of all people experience some form of anxiety when it comes to flying.
Is it likely that a significant portion of the 41% could have flight phobia?
The 41% number is meaningless. If you took a similar survey in The Amazon rain forest you would likely find that 98% would be in favor of 0 flights in their lifetime. The topic is dependent upon circumstances. Are you in favor of launches of rockets, flights of military aircraft in peacetime, cruise ships, cargo ships? Probably could get more than 50% of residents of Florida in agreeing to no need for furnaces.
cjrjck
10-03-2023, 09:42 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Is the "French expert" a scientist? If so, we have no choice but to follow what he says. That is the way it works with the modern religion of "Scientist-ology". If a scientist says something is true, it must be true, and you are a heretic for believing otherwise.
Rainger99
10-03-2023, 09:48 AM
Is it likely that a significant portion of the 41% could have flight phobia?
I agree that some people have a fear of flying and I would oppose a law that required these people to fly.
However, the people that want this proposition seek to limit everyone - even those who like to fly - from flying more than 4 times in their lifetime!
It has nothing to do with fear and more to do with power.
But if it passes I may buy cruise ship stocks!
billethkid
10-03-2023, 09:56 AM
NO!
Two Bills
10-03-2023, 10:10 AM
In UK we have plenty of trains, but they are too expensive, so we all use our cars, which even at our gas prices, is way under cost of train.
If the French really want to be serious about the environment, get them to stop smoking those God awful Gauloise cigarettes!
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 10:14 AM
Is the "French expert" a scientist? If so, we have no choice but to follow what he says. That is the way it works with the modern religion of "Scientist-ology". If a scientist says something is true, it must be true, and you are a heretic for believing otherwise.
Should start a anti scientist-ology club for when someone who claims to be a scientist is actually foolish.
oldtimes
10-03-2023, 10:23 AM
First our cars, then our appliances and now our travel. I am afraid to see what’s next.
Chi-Town
10-03-2023, 10:40 AM
Aaah, the French. Well, they did come up with the guillotine which did reduce travel.
Keefelane66
10-03-2023, 12:04 PM
We should greatly expand production from nuclear power plants. No reason not to.
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/georgia-nuclear-power-plant-vogtle-rates-costs-75c7a413cda3935dd551be9115e88a64)
Maybe we should have started to build a plant yesterday
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 12:55 PM
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/georgia-nuclear-power-plant-vogtle-rates-costs-75c7a413cda3935dd551be9115e88a64)
Maybe we should have started to build a plant yesterday
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost
Should have hired contractors who knew how to build a plant like this
cjrjck
10-03-2023, 01:24 PM
Should have hired contractors who knew how to build a plant like this
It is the government red tape and lawsuits. It is getting nearly impossible to build a nuclear power plant in the United States anymore. I am not a big fan of federal control but just like printing money and raising an army, the electrical grid is really a national responsibility today. As such, the federal government should fund and contract the construction and operation of nuclear power plants. As we transition from fossil fuels to alternative forms of energy, we will need to drastically upgrade or rebuild our electrical power grids. Otherwise, we are doomed to major power outages and cyber attacks.
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 02:10 PM
It is the government red tape and lawsuits. It is getting nearly impossible to build a nuclear power plant in the United States anymore. I am not a big fan of federal control but just like printing money and raising an army, the electrical grid is really a national responsibility today. As such, the federal government should fund and contract the construction and operation of nuclear power plants. As we transition from fossil fuels to alternative forms of energy, we will need to drastically upgrade or rebuild our electrical power grids. Otherwise, we are doomed to major power outages and cyber attacks.
Very true but some contractors have experience dealing with the govt and know how to get things done in a timely manner.
Nuclear power plants have become much safer these days and we are missing the boat in not building more immediately.
ThirdOfFive
10-03-2023, 02:11 PM
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ThirdOfFive
10-03-2023, 02:12 PM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Only if they're to or from France.
npwalters
10-03-2023, 04:07 PM
Hard to believe that people will allow their government to have this much power over them
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 04:11 PM
Hard to believe that people will allow their government to have this much power over them
I would hope not. If this happened wonder how often this so call scientist would think it is ok to travel around the world by plain.
Perhaps he thinks we should go back to the good old days when ships used the wind to travel.
Pugchief
10-03-2023, 05:19 PM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
My buddy's daughter just moved to Spain with her husband and grandchild. I guess they can only visit each other a few more times, and then never see each other again. And if they decide to move back, I guess they'll have to come back via boat since they are over their limit.
Pugchief
10-03-2023, 05:20 PM
Wow!! I hadn’t heard that!
But the ban does not apply to private jets.
France Legally Bans Short-Haul Flights—Environmentalists Want More (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2023/06/04/france-legally-bans-short-haul-flights-environmentalists-want-more/)
Of course it doesn't. Rules for thee, but not for me is the mantra of the Elites.
Pugchief
10-03-2023, 05:21 PM
Hard to believe that people will allow their government to have this much power over them
LOL. Is it any different here?
Papa_lecki
10-03-2023, 05:28 PM
Will we only allow 1 trip on a private yacht?
How about 5000 in a car or 1200 in a limo each year?
I would agree when you can tell me with 100% certainty if it’s going to rain next Friday
Stu from NYC
10-03-2023, 07:05 PM
My buddy's daughter just moved to Spain with her husband and grandchild. I guess they can only visit each other a few more times, and then never see each other again. And if they decide to move back, I guess they'll have to come back via boat since they are over their limit.
And that will be via sailing vessel as power boats will not be allowed apparently
MrChip72
10-03-2023, 11:05 PM
I'm certain that I had read somewhere semi-recently that a flight from anywhere in the northeast US to Fort Lauderdale created less pollution than the flight passengers driving in cars with 4 passengers per car and it really wasn't that close.
Two Bills
10-04-2023, 03:01 AM
If we finally get to this mythical "Net Zero" emissions target, what happens if the climate still keeps changing?
What will the zealots pick on then?
Electric cars?
TEXJK
10-04-2023, 04:22 AM
Imagine sure China and India will step up and follow that idea!
Stu from NYC
10-04-2023, 04:40 AM
If we finally get to this mythical "Net Zero" emissions target, what happens if the climate still keeps changing?
What will the zealots pick on then?
Electric cars?
They will find something. G5g6q by
GizmoWhiskers
10-04-2023, 06:02 AM
Freedom doesn't matter til the 1% says no gas golf carts in The Villages. Oh wait, we have "special golf cart gas" here so we should be good.
spinner1001
10-04-2023, 06:03 AM
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
It won’t. Neither will eating bugs instead of meat.
Why eating insects could help the fight against climate change and save the environment - Discover Wildlife (https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/insects-invertebrates/why-eating-insects-could-help-fight-climate-change)
Dusty_Star
10-04-2023, 06:28 AM
If we finally get to this mythical "Net Zero" emissions target, what happens if the climate still keeps changing?
What will the zealots pick on then?
Electric cars?
They are already starting. Now it is tires they are going after, & as far as I know electric cars need tires. The enironmentalists want to eliminate personal car ownership/use.
Tire Dust Makes Up the Majority of Ocean Microplastics: Study (https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds)
MrFlorida
10-04-2023, 06:36 AM
Limited travel ? What's next ? Papers please. We're getting one step closer to 1984.
NotGolfer
10-04-2023, 06:44 AM
What about the 15-minute-cities?? They're in England already and I've heard, a couple other places.
jimschlaefer
10-04-2023, 06:53 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
For clarity purposes only - There's no such thing as a French expert. That they exist is purely an urban legend.
3105boy
10-04-2023, 06:58 AM
Or….reduce carbon emissions by stopping the burning of the Amazon, or stopping the California wildfires, or stopping the hundreds of coal fired power plants in China instead of “feel good” recommendations that only restrict your neighbor’s freedom.
Two Bills
10-04-2023, 06:59 AM
What about the 15-minute-cities?? They're in England already and I've heard, a couple other places.
Not here as such yet, just the idea.
The basic idea is that development should include a shopping area within a 15 minute walking, biking area of homes, to save having to use car.
Conspiracy nuts are already on the case, claiming "They" are trying to keep the population locked up in small areas.
Total nonsense, but it will run, as everything these days is a conspiracy.
Probably turn out Bill Gates is behind it all.:icon_wink:
Justputt
10-04-2023, 07:07 AM
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/georgia-nuclear-power-plant-vogtle-rates-costs-75c7a413cda3935dd551be9115e88a64)
Maybe we should have started to build a plant yesterday
Georgia nuclear rebirth arrives 7 years late, $17B over cost
The main driver of costs are delays/cost of money and the repetitive legal battles from interveners. Nuclear power plants, such as Arkansas Nuclear One were built in less than 6 years each for less than $1B and have been reliable power producers. Palisades was built in 3 years (1967-70) for around $0.5B and also still produces power. Nuclear energy is by far the cleanest reliable 24/7 power and can be the least expensive if the regulatory/legal structure removes the frivolous interveners.
Eclas
10-04-2023, 07:12 AM
What a crock of crap that is
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Bwanajim
10-04-2023, 07:12 AM
This is a joke, right? You can’t be serious!🙄🙄🙄🤦*♂️
Bobendres
10-04-2023, 07:16 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Really really stupid
Nevinator
10-04-2023, 07:19 AM
I would love to see the author’s frequent flyer account to see how many flights he/she has taken since completing all of this “research.”
Justputt
10-04-2023, 07:27 AM
Climate change is mostly hoax when you look back over millions of years and not just an advantageous snapshot supporting one's claim. Here are two graphs, the first from Greenland GISP2 Ice Core data https://volcanocafe.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/image002.jpg and the second from climate.gov What's the hottest Earth's ever been? | NOAA Climate.gov (https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been) . Stop the hysterics and make smart changes, which DO INCLUDE making this a cleaner world with cleaner energy, much less pollution, etc., but the hysterical race off a cliff that destroys our economy and way of life is nonsense.
ThirdOfFive
10-04-2023, 07:40 AM
They are already starting. Now it is tires they are going after, & as far as I know electric cars need tires. The enironmentalists want to eliminate personal car ownership/use.
Tire Dust Makes Up the Majority of Ocean Microplastics: Study (https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds)
Aye. But car tires, limiting flights, etc., are only symptoms.
We have met the enemy, and they are us.
ehonour
10-04-2023, 07:42 AM
How many people have a fear of flying?
Between 33% and 40% of all people experience some form of anxiety when it comes to flying.
Shoot, I'm a pilot and I'm one of those.
But my anxiety about flying comes from having to face the Totalitarian Strip-search Agency (TSA). :loco:
Windguy
10-04-2023, 07:43 AM
Is the "French expert" a scientist? If so, we have no choice but to follow what he says. That is the way it works with the modern religion of "Scientist-ology". If a scientist says something is true, it must be true, and you are a heretic for believing otherwise.
It’s obvious that most people have absolutely no idea how science works.
1) Someone comes up with an idea (called a hypothesis—not a theory).
2) The scientist runs some tests to see if the hypothesis is valid.
3) They write a paper documenting their idea and the results of the tests.
4) Other scientists try to reproduce the results.
5) If successful, the hypothesis is promoted to a theory.
6) Scientists continue to come up with more tests to help validate the theory. They are still testing Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity after more than a century. As far I know, the theory has never failed.
Unfortunately, the media seems to report this hypothesis at step 1–long before the idea is vetted by other scientists. That is not science. Remember cold fusion? The media reported this idea before step 4 and before independent scientists failed to reproduce the original results, so the idea of cold fusion was sent to the place where invalid hypotheses go to die.
Besides, my guess is that the so-called French “expert” is actually a policy wonk and not a scientist.
Carlsondm
10-04-2023, 07:58 AM
Very true but some contractors have experience dealing with the govt and know how to get things done in a timely manner.
Nuclear power plants have become much safer these days and we are missing the boat in not building more immediately.
Maybe so if we have a safe place to attenuate and dump their waste. Perhaps Florida should step up to the plate and take the spent fuel. After all we could use a few more inches as the oceans rise and when sandbags need to be filled.
As water temperatures rise, dissolved oxygen decreases. It should be real easy to ‘catch’ your fishing quota soon. So don’t worry about the toxicity of nuclear waste to fish.
Stu from NYC
10-04-2023, 07:58 AM
It’s obvious that most people have absolutely no idea how science works.
1) Someone comes up with an idea (called a hypothesis—not a theory).
2) The scientist runs some tests to see if the hypothesis is valid.
3) They write a paper documenting their idea and the results of the tests.
4) Other scientists try to reproduce the results.
5) If successful, the hypothesis is promoted to a theory.
6) Scientists continue to come up with more tests to help validate the theory. They are still testing Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity after more than a century. As far I know, the theory has never failed.
Unfortunately, the media seems to report this hypothesis at step 1–long before the idea is vetted by other scientists. That is not science. Remember cold fusion? The media reported this idea before step 4 and before independent scientists failed to reproduce the original results, so the idea of cold fusion was sent to the place where invalid hypotheses go to die.
Besides, my guess is that the so-called French “expert” is actually a policy wonk and not a scientist.
Could be but when his idea gets published people do tend to take it more seriously
oldtimes
10-04-2023, 08:03 AM
It’s obvious that most people have absolutely no idea how science works.
1) Someone comes up with an idea (called a hypothesis—not a theory).
2) The scientist runs some tests to see if the hypothesis is valid.
3) They write a paper documenting their idea and the results of the tests.
4) Other scientists try to reproduce the results.
5) If successful, the hypothesis is promoted to a theory.
6) Scientists continue to come up with more tests to help validate the theory. They are still testing Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity after more than a century. As far I know, the theory has never failed.
Unfortunately, the media seems to report this hypothesis at step 1–long before the idea is vetted by other scientists. That is not science. Remember cold fusion? The media reported this idea before step 4 and before independent scientists failed to reproduce the original results, so the idea of cold fusion was sent to the place where invalid hypotheses go to die.
Besides, my guess is that the so-called French “expert” is actually a policy wonk and not a scientist.
But it greatly depends on who is funding the studies
maistocars
10-04-2023, 08:04 AM
oh my....and I'm sure the biggest polluters, India and China, will go right along. Is it April 1st already?
Dantes
10-04-2023, 08:13 AM
Yes starting with Al Gore
phojo
10-04-2023, 08:20 AM
I see a pilot shortage if they are also limited to four flights.
JRcorvette
10-04-2023, 08:21 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Climate Change does not exist! Don’t let them fool you ….
Joe C.
10-04-2023, 08:53 AM
This whole "thing" is just stupidity.
fishon
10-04-2023, 09:04 AM
Some of you folks aren’t eating enough bugs!
FredJacobs
10-04-2023, 09:14 AM
And how many people would this put out of work? How about more research on more efficient engines?
What are we going to do with all of the excessed airplanes???
rpalumberi
10-04-2023, 09:19 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
this only makes sense to those who have believed the blatant lie of global warming renamed as climate change after there was too much evidence contrary to the global warming narrative
Stu from NYC
10-04-2023, 09:28 AM
What are we going to do with all of the excessed airplanes???
Give them to the rich and famous to fly?
midiwiz
10-04-2023, 09:49 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
Maybe they're on crack?????
Velvet
10-04-2023, 11:25 AM
Just my opinion, ridiculous question.
Rodneysblue
10-04-2023, 12:05 PM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
So if you want to get anywhere you would have to be take a bus or train. In the Us neither one of those are a great option. So I guess we’ll drive.
justjim
10-04-2023, 12:37 PM
I believe over 60% of France's total domestic production of electricity is from nuclear power plants. That might be a place to start for the U.S. if your goal is to reduce carbon emissions.
What do they do with the nuclear waste? Just curious.
Stu from NYC
10-04-2023, 01:04 PM
I see a pilot shortage if they are also limited to four flights.
No just lots of unemployed pilots
Pugchief
10-04-2023, 01:39 PM
It’s obvious that most people have absolutely no idea how science works.
1) Someone comes up with an idea (called a hypothesis—not a theory).
2) The scientist runs some tests to see if the hypothesis is valid.
3) They write a paper documenting their idea and the results of the tests.
4) Other scientists try to reproduce the results.
5) If successful, the hypothesis is promoted to a theory.
6) Scientists continue to come up with more tests to help validate the theory. They are still testing Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity after more than a century. As far I know, the theory has never failed.
Unfortunately, the media seems to report this hypothesis at step 1–long before the idea is vetted by other scientists. That is not science. Remember cold fusion? The media reported this idea before step 4 and before independent scientists failed to reproduce the original results, so the idea of cold fusion was sent to the place where invalid hypotheses go to die.
Besides, my guess is that the so-called French “expert” is actually a policy wonk and not a scientist.
That may be how science used to work, but now if you don't follow the approved narrative, your funding is cut. There is now extreme bias in "scientific" studies, so that the "result" is simply the pre-destined one.
Byte1
10-04-2023, 01:45 PM
Does anyone REALLY take anything the French have to say seriously? This is a perfect example of "French fried thinking."
Jima72
10-04-2023, 04:30 PM
The French have already banned short flights within their country since their train system is so convenient. Also, the transportation system is Europe is far superior to what we have here. You can get anywhere in Europe by train easily. In the summer of 2022, Spain was even offering free train transportation at times to bolster their tourism industry.
It would be a lot harder for Americans to travel if they had to limit themselves to four round-trip flights in a lifetime. The tourist industry would suffer greatly.
I don't think this will ever be enacted in France, and it's certainly a bad idea for the US.
Maybe america being so big is hard to travel by train. Smaller countries like england, france and most of europe don’t have distance problems.
cjrjck
10-04-2023, 07:07 PM
What do they do with the nuclear waste? Just curious.
According to Reuters:
The uranium in the past was sent to Russia for re-enrichment and return for use in some EDF reactors, but EDF stopped doing that in 2013 as it was too costly.
Now, the waste is dealt with this way: After being cooled in a pool for about seven years, used nuclear fuel is separated into non-recyclable leftovers that are turned into glass (4% of the material), plutonium (1%) to create a new nuclear fuel called MOX, on which around 40% of France's reactors can run, and reprocessed uranium (95%).
OrangeBlossomBaby
10-04-2023, 07:26 PM
Maybe america being so big is hard to travel by train. Smaller countries like england, france and most of europe don’t have distance problems.
Agreed. The entire country of France is around the same square mileage as the singular state of Texas. You can drive the width of Texas - and France - in 12 hours. Of course their passenger train service will be more useful to France, than ours is to us.
Two Bills
10-05-2023, 02:08 AM
oh my....and I'm sure the biggest polluters, India and China, will go right along. Is it April 1st already?
Which countries are the world’s biggest carbon polluters?
1. China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
2. United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3. India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4. Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5. Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6. Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
7. Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8. South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9. Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10. Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2
MorTech
10-05-2023, 05:28 AM
"We should be more like France!", said no MAN, ever.
MandoMan
10-05-2023, 05:58 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
I have a friend who is 63 and has never been on an airplane. I wonder how many people like that there are in the country. My dad lives in Denver, and I fly out to visit him twice a year. That’s 7,200 miles by car, by myself, using gas (about 150 gallons, as I drive a Prius.) There is wear and tear on the car, and on me, and meals and motels. The flights are usually packed. What if we all used cars instead of flying?
merrymini
10-05-2023, 06:25 AM
Oolala, I cannot rememberr the laaast time I lissioned to the Freeeench oopionion and beeleeved it.
Stu from NYC
10-05-2023, 06:47 AM
I have a friend who is 63 and has never been on an airplane. I wonder how many people like that there are in the country. My dad lives in Denver, and I fly out to visit him twice a year. That’s 7,200 miles by car, by myself, using gas (about 150 gallons, as I drive a Prius.) There is wear and tear on the car, and on me, and meals and motels. The flights are usually packed. What if we all used cars instead of flying?
Enjoy yourself
defrey12
10-05-2023, 06:54 AM
And how many people would this put out of work? How about more research on more efficient engines?
I have yet to read the rest of the posts, and probably won’t because this is just the dumbest idea yet…but why don’t we try listening to REAL scientists instead of crackpots like this! The ones who invent a crisis so they can fix it.
sounding
10-05-2023, 07:01 AM
A French expert on climate change proposes a limit of 4 flights per person in a lifetime.
If it will save the planet, should we do it??
P.S. I assume they are roundtrip so it may be 8 flights.
Great Travel Reset: Poll: 41% of French population favors restricting EVERYONE to ONLY 4 airplane flights in their ENTIRE LIFE to ‘fight against global warming’ • Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/01/great-travel-reset-poll-41-of-french-population-favors-restricting-everyone-to-only-4-airplane-flights-in-their-entire-life-to-fight-against-global-warming/)
This is just an excuse for greater government control - over a non-problem. It is a scam. There is no climate change crisis - just a climate education crisis.
sounding
10-05-2023, 07:04 AM
this only makes sense to those who have believed the blatant lie of global warming renamed as climate change after there was too much evidence contrary to the global warming narrative
Correct. Today's climate alarmism is totally fabricated. If anyone has doubts, just attend the next Weather Club meeting, where you will see exactly how governments alter and fabricate temperature in order to scare you ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
sounding
10-05-2023, 07:08 AM
Climate Change does not exist! Don’t let them fool you ….
Correct. The change is minuscule. In fact, if you look at the global satellite temperature data (this is funded by the U.S. government), it shows a very slight 9-year cooling trend. Guess why the media will never tell you.
Debra.t.robinson
10-05-2023, 07:19 AM
We should greatly expand production from nuclear power plants. No reason not to.
Most of our power companies are small, especially in rural areas. They are one of the largest employers in these regions giving them a lot of political influence. The infrastructure required to build a nuclear power station is beyond their abilities. It is also the reason most have vehemently opposed any transition to solar or other sustainable power sources.
waterflower
10-05-2023, 07:20 AM
Statements from owners of 4 aircrafts....Do we see a pattern.
samquiros
10-05-2023, 07:23 AM
I propose a limit of 4 climate change experts.
oldtimes
10-05-2023, 07:25 AM
I propose a limit of 4 climate change experts.
Not funded by the government
ThinkinBoutIt
10-05-2023, 07:41 AM
Always follow the money…
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