Propane tanks

[Twinsull]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

[retiredguy123]

It appears as though the propane tanks are too close to the house to comply with the Florida code. Also, the generator may be too close to a window. It really depends on the size of the tanks.

[Keefelane66]

Should be reported to Community Standards its an obvious not to Florida Code.

[Bill14564]

Should be reported to Community Standards its an obvious not to Florida Code.

Can you post a link to that code so we all could understand it?

[retiredguy123]

Can you post a link to that code so we all could understand it?
Not the actual code, but this website has some good information.

All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement (https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-blog/propane-tanks/all-about-propane-tanks)

[Bill14564]

Not the actual code, but this website has some good information.

All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement (https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-blog/propane-tanks/all-about-propane-tanks)

Thank you

[Keefelane66]

“ How far does a propane tank have to be from a house in Florida?

Same with underground propane tanks that hold up to 2,000 gallons: The minimum distance, from either a building or a property line, is 10 feet. For above-ground tanks of 1,000 to 2,000 gallons, the safe distance increases. These must be placed at least 25 feet from a building or property line.Mar 21, 2023”

[Bill14564]

Should be reported to Community Standards its an obvious not to Florida Code.

Unless you can point to a Florida code that differs from the code in the link above, these seem to be okay. 100gal tanks have no required distance from the house and only 10ft required to a window. These *seem* to comply with that.

[Gpsma]

What are they using those tanks for?

[retiredguy123]

Unless you can point to a Florida code that differs from the code in the link above, these seem to be okay. 100gal tanks have no required distance from the house and only 10ft required to a window. These *seem* to comply with that.
It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

[Bill14564]

It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

Probably not too loud but....

I remember back in MD during one hurricane the fire station a block away had a generator. It was dark, warm, humid, and all you could hear was the wind in the trees and that darn generator a block away! The noise didn't bother me half as much as knowing they had AC while I didn't.

We already ban too many things around here. I think we ought to have a ban on bans.

[dewilson58]

Looks like a fish hook is trying to be set.

[retiredguy123]

Probably not too loud but....

I remember back in MD during one hurricane the fire station a block away had a generator. It was dark, warm, humid, and all you could hear was the wind in the trees and that darn generator a block away! The noise didn't bother me half as much as knowing they had AC while I didn't.

We already ban too many things around here. I think we ought to have a ban on bans.
The Generac in my neighborhood is extremely loud and can be heard from halfway down the street.

[ThirdOfFive]

Looks like a fish hook is trying to be set.
Bingo!

One and done?

[villagetinker]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

I would check with ARC to see if approval was granted, and I am sure building and electrical permits were required, you should also be able to confirm these. Art one time you could search the building department website for permits, not sure if you can still do this.

On a side note I have 2 neighbors with propane tanks, and in both cases these are buried.

[dewilson58]

On a side note I have 2 neighbors with propane tanks, and in both cases these are buried.

These are call PIGs..........Propane In Ground.
(There are thousands of them in TV)

The OP is call Bait.

:posting:

[coffeebean]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

That squiggly flower bed made me dizzy.

[BobnBev]

checking to see if anyone else in the villages has a view of propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

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[Garywt]

Those are 275 pound tanks. I would figure the propane company is familiar with the codes. Besides the generator they my have a propane stove, water heater or pool heater. As for the generator, when the power is out who really cares about noise. It is not like they run it everyday to sell back power.

[Garywt]

That squiggly flower bed made me dizzy.

And the landscaper must love it…

[banjobob]

Out of front view , not my neighbor OK by me, if I lived next door though.

[birdawg]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments? doubt that would be allowed you can’t even have a little cross.

[VillagerNut]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Definitely call Community Standards because it is definitely not to Florida code or Villages deed restrictions. All of our deed restrictions say the propane tanks are supposed to be buried. Florida code requires it be a lot further away from home than what the generator or the propane is located on this house.

[Retiredsteve]

It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods. Generators are used in emergency situations such as a power outage due to a storm. It doesn't run all the time. Maybe they have a piece of medical equipment that would require it. Bless your heart

[huge-pigeons]

Generators should be allowed in TV, it could be necessity during a storm/hurricane. As for the propane tanks, they are ugly and should be buried further away from the house. In our last 55+ community, anything you added to your house, you had to get your 2 closest neighbors to sign off on the ARC permit. I would never have signed off for this, not only because they are ugly, but have you seen a propane tank explosion? Too close to the houses.

[gbs317]

What are they using those tanks for?

It looks like they are there to run the generator and maybe the lack of natural gas in that area dictates propane.

[Bill14564]

Definitely call Community Standards because it is definitely not to Florida code or Villages deed restrictions. All of our deed restrictions say the propane tanks are supposed to be buried. Florida code requires it be a lot further away from home than what the generator or the propane is located on this house.

Which District are you in? My deed restrictions in District 10 do not mention propane tanks at all.

Please post a citation or a link to the Florida code that requires those tanks or that generator to be farther from the house.

[retiredguy123]

Generators should be allowed in TV, it could be necessity during a storm/hurricane. As for the propane tanks, they are ugly and should be buried further away from the house. In our last 55+ community, anything you added to your house, you had to get your 2 closest neighbors to sign off on the ARC permit. I would never have signed off for this, not only because they are ugly, but have you seen a propane tank explosion? Too close to the houses.
Imagine if every house in a villa neighborhood had a Generac and they all came on at the same time. The noise would be unbearable. There is one in my neighborhood, and you can hear it from 5 houses away.

[Whitley]

For 125- to 500-gallon propane tanks, the distance is at least 10 feet – from any building and from any property line. Same with underground propane tanks that hold up to 2,000 gallons: The minimum distance, from either a building or a property line, is 10 feet.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjpiO3DueuBAxUpKEQIHXefC9wQFnoECBkQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amerigas.com%2Famerigas-blog%2Fpropane-tanks%2Fall-about-propane-tanks&usg=AOvVaw0h_27B6RB7UxORxcFtBxdi&opi=89978449

[RRGuyNJ]

It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

Yep, ban generators that run a few minutes a week fir maintenance! Yeah, great idea!.
When the lights go out due to a storm, and it will eventually happen, you will wish you had a generator.

[Indydealmaker]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?
Were these in place when you bought your house?

[retiredguy123]

For 125- to 500-gallon propane tanks, the distance is at least 10 feet – from any building and from any property line. Same with underground propane tanks that hold up to 2,000 gallons: The minimum distance, from either a building or a property line, is 10 feet.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjpiO3DueuBAxUpKEQIHXefC9wQFnoECBkQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amerigas.com%2Famerigas-blog%2Fpropane-tanks%2Fall-about-propane-tanks&usg=AOvVaw0h_27B6RB7UxORxcFtBxdi&opi=89978449
The tanks in the photo appear to be 120 gallon tanks, which would make them legal located next to the house.

[bragones]

Generators are used in emergency situations such as a power outage due to a storm. It doesn't run all the time. Maybe they have a piece of medical equipment that would require it. Bless your heart

Generators don't only run in emergency situations. They also run weekly to "exercise" them.

[Dlbonivich]

Some people with health issues can not be without electricity. They need oxygen or they need air conditioning to maintain their health. Your tolerance of noise would be the least of concern. If they have permits pulled and they were inspected, they are safe. Start there.

[JRcorvette]

It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

I hope you realize that the generator only runs when the power goes out! And that is very rare here.

[jabacon6669]

I can only speak from my experience in Maine and New Hampshire. Had a Generac propane generator installed in Maine about 7 years ago, was placed on a pad within a foot of the house. Required to be 10 feet from a window. we had 3 100 gal. tanks, no regulations on how far from the house. They are right against the back of the house. When we moved to New Hampshire last summer (2022) we had a Generac propane installed there. Same regulations, all local and state approved. That was connected to an under ground tank located further away. Not sure on the distance. But it's larger so probably much further away.
As far as noise goes, when you need them, noise is not an issue. Those complaining probably wished they had one. Remember, many people in TV are on some type of medical support, and can't be without electricity. I believe every house should have one.

[merrymini]

I would check on their allowability. If they are okay, there is nothing to be done but I would not want those tanks close to my house either because I would have to look at them or for safety reasons. And people ask why there are rules. They should be buried. I would not spend $15,000 to save $150 worth of food in my refrigerator and give myself another piece of equipment to maintain. I lived through Sandy, you manage. Everybody is so helpless.

[Behoult]

The back-up generator makes zero noise unless there is a power outage. Some installations automatically run a weekly test for 10 minutes - so practically speaking - minor inconvenience for 10 minutes a week. The owner of the home may in fact have a valid medical reason that requires power at all times (oxygen)

[Roxbob]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Yikes! These r terrible to look at Try ARC committee to get them buried at least !

[Vermilion Villager]

6.30.2.3
No part of an underground or mounded ASME container shall be less than 10 ft (3 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can be built upon.

OMG....what kind of hillbilly trailer park thing they got going on here?!?!?!?!? There's enough propane in those tanks to power that generator for a month!!! And when's the last time we've needed this????

Unless my eyes are deceiving me there is no way those tanks are beyond 10 feet from the house. Depending on who's rocks they are adjacent to the house they may not even be on their own property. A lot of people making a lot of wrong assumptions of what they actually own in these patio villa homes.
If it were me I would not call anybody but the fire department. They'll take care of it.

[airstreamingypsy]

doubt that would be allowed you can’t even have a little cross.

Bait.... 2.0

[Normal]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

This is very unsafe, especially in a community where homes are so closely constructed. They are bombs that have a shuddering potential. The Fire Department needs called ASAP.

[Bill14564]

6.30.2.3
No part of an underground or mounded ASME container shall be less than 10 ft (3 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can be built upon.

OMG....what kind of hillbilly trailer park thing they got going on here?!?!?!?!? There's enough propane in those tanks to power that generator for a month!!! And when's the last time we've needed this????

Unless my eyes are deceiving me there is no way those tanks are beyond 10 feet from the house. Depending on who's rocks they are adjacent to the house they may not even be on their own property. A lot of people making a lot of wrong assumptions of what they actually own in these patio villa homes.
If it were me I would not call anybody but the fire department. They'll take care of it.

Your eyes *are* deceiving you. Those tanks are neither underground nor mounded.

From a quick look at a few links, that amount of propane would run the generator for 48-72 hours.

[Wondering]

Tanks are for a generator and should be buried in The Villages.

[Justputt]

I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

[Normal]

I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

You don’t need any special version for natural gas or propane, just change the orifice. The conversion piece comes with the Gentech.

[Bill14564]

I don't get the propane use when you can get NG versions of these generators and NG is at pretty much every house.

Pretty much every house *where*? No NG in my neighborhood

[Vermilion Villager]

Your eyes *are* deceiving you. Those tanks are neither underground nor mounded.

From a quick look at a few links, that amount of propane would run the generator for 48-72 hours.
No they are not....Buried tanks are considered safer than above ground....and even those cannot be closer than 10'. (my other house is in Northern MN 18 miles from Canada and I have propane...I know the rules)
Using your "quick" lookup stats. If what you found is true, and he only has enough propane for 2 days of use then he is royally screwed!!! Think about it... In a major disaster that requires a generator to kick in do you really beleive someone's going to get a propane fill in 48hrs?!?!?!?!?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

No they are not....Buried tanks are considered safer than above ground....and even those cannot be closer than 10'. (my other house is in Northern MN 18 miles from Canada and I have propane...I know the rules)
Using your "quick" lookup stats. If what you found is true, and he only has enough propane for 2 days of use then he is royally screwed!!! Think about it... In a major disaster that requires a generator to kick in do you really beleive someone's going to get a propane fill in 48hrs?!?!?!?!?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

The rules in northern MN aren’t applicable here. I would trust the Amerigas site and the installer.

48 hours is longer than any outage here that I am aware of. 48 hours is longer than I have. 48 hours might be a Florida requirement for certain care facilities and therefore a useful time to shoot for. 48 hours is a LOT longer than I would like to live without AC in a Florida summer.

[Vermilion Villager]

The rules in northern MN aren’t applicable here. I would trust the Amerigas site and the installer.

48 hours is longer than any outage here that I am aware of. 48 hours is longer than I have. 48 hours might be a Florida requirement for certain care facilities and therefore a useful time to shoot for. 48 hours is a LOT longer than I would like to live without AC in a Florida summer.
These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement (https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-blog/propane-tanks/all-about-propane-tanks#:~:text=Same%20with%20underground%20propane% 20tanks,a%20building%20or%20property%20line).

[vintageogauge]

It they ever have the need for rolling blackouts in this area one of those would sure be nice to have, expensive but nice.

[Bill14564]

These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement (https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-blog/propane-tanks/all-about-propane-tanks#:~:text=Same%20with%20underground%20propane% 20tanks,a%20building%20or%20property%20line).

How large do you think those tanks are? (Hint: much smaller than 2,000 gallons)

Highlight the section on smaller tanks and concrete slab please.

[Justputt]

Pretty much every house *where*? No NG in my neighborhood

Interesting, as NG was the default (water heater, clothes dryer, stove) for our neighborhood. There's not even an outlet with the required power for an electric clothes dryer (cost extra to wire it in). Maybe this just a trend in newer builds or certain designs.

[Normal]

Interesting, as NG was the default (water heater, clothes dryer, stove) for our neighborhood. There's not even an outlet with the required power for an electric clothes dryer (cost extra to wire it in). Maybe this just a trend in newer builds or certain designs.

The Sawgrass area has natural gas. The small wall mounted heaters are income for our Defibrillator program. Volunteers clean them with a pump and vinegar for 50 dollar donations to the fund.

[TEXJK]

Yep, ban generators that run a few minutes a week fir maintenance! Yeah, great idea!.
When the lights go out due to a storm, and it will eventually happen, you will wish you had a generator.
And the one’s complaining will the one’s knocking on your door Can we come sit in the AC lol

[defrey12]

Should be reported to Community Standards its an obvious not to Florida Code.

Excuse me? How EXACTLY is it obvious? Do you have the codes in front of you? If so, do you actually know how to read them? Yeah, I thought so.

[defrey12]

Can you post a link to that code so we all could understand it?

👍👍👍

[defrey12]

It looks unsightly, but it is probably legal. I would be more concerned about the noise from the generator. I think these generators should be banned, especially in villa neighborhoods.

NO banning! There are these pesky things guaranteed by the constitution called PROPERTY RIGHTS. If they don’t violate the CCRs, then well within their RIGHTS! It never runs anyway (because we don’t have power outages) so what’s your “noise issue?”

[kkingston57]

Generators don't only run in emergency situations. They also run weekly to "exercise" them.

Agree and so do the mowers which are louder than these generators.

[retiredguy123]

These rules are a national standard.
You mention Amerigas. Fine.....here's from their website. They also state 10' rule. Also...the tank MUST be on a slab....clearly these are not! :ho:
All About Propane Tanks: Regulations, Sizes and Placement (https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-blog/propane-tanks/all-about-propane-tanks#:~:text=Same%20with%20underground%20propane% 20tanks,a%20building%20or%20property%20line).
The 10 foot rule only applies to tanks larger than 125 gallons. These appear to be 120 gallon tanks. Also, they are on a precast slab, similar to the slabs that HVAC units are placed on. They very well could be in compliance with the code.

[Lyn Wagner]

I would be afraid of fire or explosion.

[Andyhope]

Thank you
Victor. It’s works in DC😩

[RICH1]

Looks like a fish hook is trying to be set.
More concerning is the Dish on the Roof! This is 2023, Streaming is the only way to go..

[deputydoc]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?
Propane tanks are NOT allowed in The Villages

[Janie123]

Unless you can point to a Florida code that differs from the code in the link above, these seem to be okay. 100gal tanks have no required distance from the house and only 10ft required to a window. These *seem* to comply with that.
Not sure those tanks are >10ft from the neighbors windows.

[Vermilion Villager]

How large do you think those tanks are? (Hint: much smaller than 2,000 gallons)

Highlight the section on smaller tanks and concrete slab please.
Those tanks are 125 gallons. I should know I have one for my garage at my lake home in Minnesota. The setback IS 10' The setback IS a national standard.

[Robojo]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.

Could you try speaking with your neighbors prior to filing a complaint? Maybe they don't know of any better way to ensure their survival during a power outage.

We should be helping each other!

[Bill14564]

Those tanks are 125 gallons. I should know I have one for my garage at my lake home in Minnesota. The setback IS 10' The setback IS a national standard.

It seems like the outside dimensions of a 120gal tank and a 125gal tank are the same. Perhaps there is a difference internally. Perhaps the tanks are the same but by law they can only be filled to a certain level if they are within 10ft of a home.

I believe whoever installed those tanks (assuming the homeowner didn't bring them home in the back of his Mazda) would know and respect the local codes. But the OP has already been provided with a simple solution: contact the VPSD for their expert opinion.

[OhioBuckeye]

How do these propane tanks release pressure from heat. I’m asking only because my 20 lb. Propane tank is hooked up to my grill & I keep it in garage, yea that’s stupid too. Knock on wood I’ve stored my grill in my garage for probably 40 yrs. But I agree with you propane tanks are bombs, just waiting to be ignited.

[Bill14564]

Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.

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Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!

[HJBeck]

Sure looks like it is for the generator in front of those two. When you lose power once every several years you might wish you had one. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s for medical reasons. Of course some one may be running their online business from their house. ???

[retiredguy123]

Propane tanks are NOT allowed in The Villages
Is that written down anywhere?

[Keefelane66]

Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!
Not as big as you might think
Generac Power Systems - PWRcell (https://www.generac.com/all-products/clean-energy/pwrcell)

[dewilson58]

Almost 100 posts on a photo shopped picture and fake information.

Love it!!!

Be careful removing that fish hook.

[Bill14564]

Why don't people buy the all electric Generarc? My dad has it and it powers the whole house for almost 2 weeks. No noise. No impending explosions, no unsightly tanks.



Would love to see a link for that! Got to be one heck of a stack of batteries!

Not as big as you might think
Generac Power Systems - PWRcell (https://www.generac.com/all-products/clean-energy/pwrcell)

Thank you.

So for $18K I can get a 9kWh system installed. For somewhat more ($40K?) I can get more batteries and have a 36kWh system. According to my last SECO bill I use about 40kWh/day. So my $40K investment will run my home for most of 24 hours - then I'm out of luck. This is much less then two weeks.

If I didn't use AC or hot water it would last for much longer. If I didn't use AC or hot water I could get by with a 2,000W Honda generator for about $1,500.

The PowerCell with the solar panels might be a great way to save money but it doesn't appear to be a solution for a long-duration power outage.

OTOH: Since most (all?) of our outages are short, even the $18K version ought to be able to ride through one. I might look into that!

[MrChip72]

This is very unsafe, especially in a community where homes are so closely constructed. They are bombs that have a shuddering potential. The Fire Department needs called ASAP.

There is many households all over the northern US where it's standard to have these types of tanks for heating, usually along with firewood. On average 600 total propane explosions happen each year in the US. A large majority are from the 20lb propane grill tanks.

215k car explosions occur each year in the US. These explosions are much more powerful than a 20lb propane tank explosion. Should people panic if they see a couple of cars in someone's driveway, or even worse parked in a garage?

[dhdallas]

Checking to see if anyone else in the Villages has a view of Propane tanks in their back yard. I can’t believe this would be allowed. Comments?

Wow! Wait until the two ladies in a golf cart with their clipboard see that! Those tanks will be history (unless maybe they paint a white cross on them).