Golf Cart crossing 466a

[dewilson58]

Golf carts can cross 466a at Pinellas Pl to get to Lowe's, Publix, Target.

I thought it was a no-no, but

:gc:

[Bill14564]

Golf carts can cross 466a at Pinellas Pl to get to Lowe's, Publix, Target.

I thought it was a no-no, but

:gc:

Legally? (though some don’t worry about details like that)

[dewilson58]

Legally? (though some don’t worry about details like that)

Yes.

It surprised me.

There was another thread wish I highlighted the crazy people doing it. :oops:

[Bill14564]

Yes.

It surprised me.

There was another thread wish I highlighted the crazy people doing it. :oops:

Okay, but I’m still skeptical

[dewilson58]

Okay, but I’m still skeptical

I was too.

I talked to Garth Layne of the Wildwood PD.

Give him a buzz...................nice guy.

[MsPCGenius]

And just exactly what path would you take? Sundance Trail appears to be a dead end; not providing passage to Seven Mile Drive.

[MsPCGenius]

And just exactly what path would you take? Sundance Trail appears to be a dead end; not providing passage to Seven Mile Drive.

I guess you could travel further up and go around Lowes to enter the parking lot...

[dewilson58]

I guess you could travel further up and go around Lowes to enter the parking lot...

:oops:

[alwann]

Likely more carts crossing 466a from Beaumont than to. Posters from Beaumont on a previous thread acknowledged lots of cart owners there who use them for when shopping, going to Brownwood square (pools?). So far, I've only seen one golf cart in the Trailwinds Publix lot.

[JoMar]

I was too.

I talked to Garth Layne of the Wildwood PD.

Give him a buzz...................nice guy.

And he said?

[Bill14564]

And he said?

Probably something to the effect that

Golf carts can cross 466a at Pinellas Pl to get to Lowe's, Publix, Target.

[villagetinker]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

[karostay]

Entitled Perk

[golfing eagles]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

They can at Stonecrest (cross 441/27), but that is a special dispensation from either Lady Lake or Summerfield

[Laker14]

eh...no thanks. I was thinking of parking the cart in one of the lots along Burnsed Blvd. and walking over to Lowe's. I was wondering if the traffic lights have pedestrian crossings. The only reason I was even wondering about this is that my car has not been shipped down yet, and I have been here for 3 weeks without a car. However, I will be getting it delivered next week, so I'll just wait, but I was curious about it.

[Bill14564]

eh...no thanks. I was thinking of parking the cart in one of the lots along Burnsed Blvd. and walking over to Lowe's. I was wondering if the traffic lights have pedestrian crossings. The only reason I was even wondering about this is that my car has not been shipped down yet, and I have been here for 3 weeks without a car. However, I will be getting it delivered next week, so I'll just wait, but I was curious about it.

The light at Winn Dixie and Culvers (Pinellas maybe) has a crosswalk. I haven't tried it yet.

[golfing eagles]

The light at Winn Dixie and Culvers (Pinellas maybe) has a crosswalk. I haven't tried it yet.

Walk fast and be prepared to dodge a few cars:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Tvflguy]

No way. Pinellas and 466a run parallel. They do not cross and there is NO cart tunnel under 466a in the area around Lowes etc. Only a 466a tunnel near Morse by Colony plaza. And one near Buena Vista. NO carts can travel across 466a by Lowe’s area.

[photo1902]

No way. Pinellas and 466a run parallel. They do not cross and there is NO cart tunnel under 466a in the area around Lowes etc. Only a 466a tunnel near Morse by Colony plaza. And one near Buena Vista. NO carts can travel across 466a by Lowe’s area.

A street legal cart can cross there. Just like they can cross 466A on Buena Vista or Morse.

[Bill14564]

No way. Pinellas and 466a run parallel. They do not cross and there is NO cart tunnel under 466a in the area around Lowes etc. Only a 466a tunnel near Morse by Colony plaza. And one near Buena Vista. NO carts can travel across 466a by Lowe’s area.

You might want to check a map rather than demonstrate ignorance. It *is* Pinellas that meets 466A at Winn Dixie (Penrose on the Culvers side)

[golfing eagles]

No way. Pinellas and 466a run parallel. They do not cross and there is NO cart tunnel under 466a in the area around Lowes etc. Only a 466a tunnel near Morse by Colony plaza. And one near Buena Vista. NO carts can travel across 466a by Lowe’s area.

You might want to check a map rather than demonstrate ignorance. It *is* Pinellas that meets 466A at Winn Dixie (Penrose on the Culvers side)

Score: Bill-1, TVguy-0 :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But in all fairness, they do run parallel for most of the way, it's only when Pinellas turns north after Hendry Dr. and heads out the gate to meet 466A at the light that the 2 intersect.

[Garywt]

eh...no thanks. I was thinking of parking the cart in one of the lots along Burnsed Blvd. and walking over to Lowe's. I was wondering if the traffic lights have pedestrian crossings. The only reason I was even wondering about this is that my car has not been shipped down yet, and I have been here for 3 weeks without a car. However, I will be getting it delivered next week, so I'll just wait, but I was curious about it.

I go to the other Lowes all the time that you can get to legally by golf cart. Since you can’t get to Home Depot by cart we go to Lowe’s up north.

[Tvflguy]

Score: Bill-1, TVguy-0 :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But in all fairness, they do run parallel for most of the way, it's only when Pinellas turns north after Hendry Dr. and heads out the gate to meet 466A at the light that the 2 intersect.

Point taken. But a regular golf cart cannot cross over. Didn’t know we were keeping score. If so, I’m probably -47 on TOTV…

[golfing eagles]

Point taken. But a regular golf cart cannot cross over. Didn’t know we were keeping score. If so, I’m probably -47 on TOTV…

Scoring is a new feature I’m offering. First month is free, then your credit card will be charged monthly 😂😂😂

[Bilyclub]

Interesting point of view from Wildwood PD. Since Pinellas Plaza is also In Wildwood it would be their jurisdiction. If this is true they need to take down the "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas. Unless the Officer meant street legal carts may cross. I've seen plenty of carts do it already, but to me it's risky as cars on 466A are flying and many go thru the red light.

[dewilson58]

And he said?

See post #1

[dewilson58]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

Call the Wildwood PD..............they will correct your thoughts.

They surprised me as well.

[dewilson58]

No way. Pinellas and 466a run parallel. They do not cross and there is NO cart tunnel under 466a in the area around Lowes etc. Only a 466a tunnel near Morse by Colony plaza. And one near Buena Vista. NO carts can travel across 466a by Lowe’s area.

A map will help u.

[dewilson58]

According to Wildwood PD...............It does not have to be a Street Legal.

SL or not...............no thinks.

45 mph T-Bone = Death.

[mtdjed]

You might want to check a map rather than demonstrate ignorance. It *is* Pinellas that meets 466A at Winn Dixie (Penrose on the Culvers side)

Florida's Most Friendly Town!!!!!??????

[patfla06]

Driving your golf cart there would be risky.
Just take your car.

[RtuWngs]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

LSV's can cross a road with a speed limit of 45 MPH as long as there is a traffic light.

[GizmoWhiskers]

The light at Winn Dixie and Culvers (Pinellas maybe) has a crosswalk. I haven't tried it yet.
I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?

[dewilson58]

LSV's can cross a road with a speed limit of 45 MPH as long as there is a traffic light.

does not have to be a LSV

[Skunky1]

Reminds me of the Video game Frogger! Good luck.

[txfan]

Beaumont residents have golf carts, so I guess they, too, can cross Penrose/Pinellas Pl at that light to access Winn Dixie and The Villages beyond.

I will double check this, as I usually park the golf cart in the Pinellas Plaza and walk to desired points on the Trailwinds side.

[dewilson58]

Reminds me of the Video game Frogger! Good luck.

:bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

Beaumont residents have golf carts, so I guess they, too, can cross Penrose/Pinellas Pl at that light to access Winn Dixie and The Villages beyond.

I will double check this, as I usually park the golf cart in the Pinellas Plaza and walk to desired points on the Trailwinds side.

But I wonder how many actually do have a golf cart. After all, it is pretty useless to anyone living there to spend 14K+ for one, UNLESS they plan to ILLEGALLY use the Villages amenities. Which is why we should vigorously crack down on checking IDs. That would leave them with a large, expensive lawn ornament (unless they also have deed restrictions:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[golfing eagles]

I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?

Terrible idea. There are already reports of teens climbing the fence there and using the pools of Tamarind Grove and adjacent areas. The Villages was going to develop that area, but Wildwood turned them down for political reasons (A City Council of one persuasion afraid that bringing in 4000+ voting Villagers of a different persuasion would leave them on the unemployment line). Hence Trailwinds, a commercial area and unrestricted residential section COMPETING with our developer. I don't think you will ever see access granted.

[lpkruege1]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

I was just reading the rules the other day. No golf car/cart may enter a road with a speed limit of 35 and above. No golf car/cart may enter a round about.

I see golf cars/Carts cutting across 466A at the stop lights by Walmart. Perfectly legal UNLESS you get caught.

If, they are truly allowed to cross by Lowes, I would have to see it in writing from the Wildwood Police department and the Sumter Co. Sheriff's department. Until then, I'll error on the side of caution.

[bowlingal]

It IS illegal and an expensive ticket if caught. Go to the golf cart safety clinic to find out the rules of the road. Oct 18 at 9AM at Colony Cottage Rec center...it';s FREE

[nn0wheremann]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.
Not sure, but I have seen golf carts crossing US 441 at 176th St. These daring old men in their golfing machines are from the Dell Webb communities. I’ve been told it is legal to cross the 45 MPH street, at the traffic light, though not to drive on that highway. Might be in the right, but watch out it’s not dead right.

[bowlingal]

txfan...that's one hellava walk!! and to carry packages too?? In 90 degree heat? Take the car already

[bowlingal]

Nononono not allowed

[golfing eagles]

Not sure, but I have seen golf carts crossing US 441 at 176th St. These daring old men in their golfing machines are from the Dell Webb communities. I’ve been told it is legal to cross the 45 MPH street, at the traffic light, though not to drive on that highway. Might be in the right, but watch out it’s not dead right.

Might want to read post #14

[nn0wheremann]

I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?
On the Historic Side of 441 years ago Villagers cut a golf cart trail from Village of Country Club Hills to WalMart through vacant land and along a power substation on utility land. The Villages developer put up a wall to stop this. When someone at a meeting said “Mr Morse, tear down this wall”, he put in a gate. Now the sandy trail is a paved street by BJs.

[Laker14]

I go to the other Lowes all the time that you can get to legally by golf cart. Since you can’t get to Home Depot by cart we go to Lowe’s up north.

From my location, near SeaBreeze, the Wildwood Lowes is 5 minutes by car. The Southern Trace Ace Hardware is more like 15. I usually go to Ace. The extra 20 minutes round trip it takes me is usually more than saved by the guy in the red vest who knows exactly where to find whatever I'm looking for, in a much smaller space, compared to me wandering around the 40 acre Lowes scratching my butt. :)

[Miboater]

I have done that. Park at The Villages medical building (I have Village Health) and walk across pedestrian crosswalk to Culvers. Not a problem, just a long light.

It is a shame Wildwood and T V can't work out access from the area of TV behind the vacant lot behind Trailwinds Publix Plaza.

Anyone heard any word on the Target plans for that area next to Lowes?

I parked there as well and walked across to Lowe's when we first bought and didn't have a car down here yet. Not a bad walk.

A few days ago I was on the street behind where the Target is being and it looked like they are starting work. There was equipment on site and seemed to be grading the plot.

[Justputt]

It seems odd that you can walk across the road at a crosswalk but not use a cart. Splat on foot > splat in cart I would think.

[Bilyclub]

It IS illegal and an expensive ticket if caught. Go to the golf cart safety clinic to find out the rules of the road. Oct 18 at 9AM at Colony Cottage Rec center...it';s FREE

Not if Wildwood says it's not illegal. That's the topic.

[Bill14564]

The State of Florida, Sumter County, and the city of Wildwood all have regulations regarding golf carts on public roads. The state says LSVs can cross a 45mph road. All say that golf carts cannot legally cross a county road UNLESS a resolution is passed.

- Since 27/441 is a state road, apparently the state has a resolution allowing a golf cart crossing at a particular intersection on that road.

- Since 466A is a county road, Sumter County would need a resolution allowing golf carts to cross that road.

- Both the Wildwood regulations an Sumter County regulations mention a list of roads that golf carts are allowed to travel on or across. I could not find that list.

- I would hope the Wildwood PD is familiar with the Wildwood and County regulations and would know if 466A was on the list of roads that could be crossed in a golf cart

- There used to be a "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas (haven`t looked recently). If the sign is still there I would obey that rather than trust the word of the PD - I have a feeling about which would hold up in court.

- It would be very useful to find the Sumter County list of roads that golf carts are allowed to cross. I have been unsuccessful so far so my choice will be to avoid crossing 466A

[MidWestIA]

You can get to Lowes by back roads on 441/27 through the Orange Blossom side

[kimgarwel12@gmail.com]

We were at the light at 466A by Culver's one day, behind a cart that was heading into Pinellas. She apparently had come from Lowe's with a load of 2x4s strapped to the top of the cart, no less!! When the light turned green, after the left arrow traffic went through. she roared through the intersection (as much as a cart can roar loaded down with 2x4s....) and went on her merry way into Pinellas. Couldn't believe it!!

[catballou]

We were told by a Lady Lake police officer that you can go to Home Depot on 441 with a golf cart. Oops...they were wrong.

[Wondering]

Where is there a Target on 466a?

[golfing eagles]

Where is there a Target on 466a?

Under construction

[NoMoSno]

They can at Stonecrest (cross 441/27), but that is a special dispensation from either Lady Lake or Summerfield
Marion County.
Approved in 2014.

[Mrfriendly]

Driving your golf cart there would be risky.
Just take your car.

Many like myself come to our village home and don’t have a car, only our golf carts (golf cars?)
The bubble is big enough with plenty of amenities and stores within golf cart accessibility. When I need to go to hardware, food, booze stores I put into my Villages app and follow golf cart directions. Some items require a longer drive but much safer not crossing a highway, especially our highways here. I wouldn’t do it unless on a DARE…

[Regorp]

Golf carts can cross 466a at Pinellas Pl to get to Lowe's, Publix, Target.

I thought it was a no-no, but

:gc:

See golf cars at Winn Dixie, but never seen even one at Aldi or Lowes across the street. Too dangerous, like crossing the Colorado River in a wagon train.

[Vermilion Villager]

does not have to be a LSV
Good to know! (Too bad it only took 34 posts to get the final answer)
Our Tuesday golf group often eats at Pinellas Plaza restaurants afterwards. This opens up a lot of places on the other side.:pepper2::gc:

[Vermilion Villager]

So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

[Sandy and Ed]

LSV's can cross a road with a speed limit of 45 MPH as long as there is a traffic light.
Makes sense to me. Having said that, why would there be a reason to forbid it? A bicycle with an electric motor can cross at the light. A golf cart is not realty much more than that and, contrary to that bike, may not continue to drive on that road.

[Sandy and Ed]

So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:
Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable

[EdFNJ]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.
Well, there is a legal crossing at 441 (not 466 for Walmart to go into that other development whatever it is called). My guess is there would be a way for a town to get special permission from either county or state as that has already been done elsewhere in the areaa.

[Calisport]

I park at the bank also and walk a distance. I guess Home Depot might be closer being across from the DMV building.

[EdFNJ]

So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

[JGibson]

So....I did call the Sumter County sheriffs department. They are aware of this intersection and the topic. The deputy I spoke with says according to Florida statutes you can cross a highway in a golf cart at a stoplight, just like you can cross the highway on foot in a crosswalk.
He also did say that local municipalities can have more restrictive rules that supersede the statutes. He said the commander of the district sheriffs department is reaching out to the city of Wildwood and the villages to see if there are more restrictive measures in place.
He said as far as the Sumter County sheriffs department is concerned pending discovery of more restrictive rules no deputy sheriff will be stopping you from crossing 466A at the traffic light of Pinellas/Penrose. :crap2:

So you can cross 466 from the stop light at Walgreens off Parr Dr. to go into Southern Trace?

If only we could get a stop light on Rolling Acres Rd to get into the Best Buy and Kohls shopping plaza.

[Vermilion Villager]

So you can cross 466 from the stop light at Walgreens off Parr Dr. to go into Southern Trace?

If only we could get a stop light on Rolling Acres Rd to get into the Best Buy and Kohls shopping plaza.
Don't put words in my mouth… I only referenced 466 A and Pinellas Place. He was very specific saying that the sheriffs department is aware of this intersection and is working that with the Wildwood police.

[Vermilion Villager]

. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

WOW....Yet......you find the time to post your reply with no back up of your statement...typical.:ohdear:
Next time please come more prepared.:boxing2:

[Vermilion Villager]

Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable
Don't know.....I just want to get to Culver's after golfing :mmmm:

[golfing eagles]

Quick question: ok, you’ve crossed the road. Now all you need to do is get into the shopping center without traveling on the named roads. I’ll need to look around that shopping center to see if there are any points of entry which do not involve driving on the road itself. No cart trails there and the sidewalks and grassy areas are not useable

Do those "named roads" have a speed limit of 30 mph or less? Then it's possible you can drive on them, no different than driving on the streets in the Villages or on our roads that merge cart lanes into the car lane,

[dewilson58]

. Unless it has recently changed, the highlighted comment is INCORRECT. Unfortunately, I would not trust that "deputy" to be my witness should I need it in court :D. The "incorrectness" (and SINGLE EXCLUSION) of his statement is clearly listed in the state laws. Too lazy to search for it now but it is quite obvious.

The deputy is correct according to the Wildwood PD.

I have the WPD statement in writing.

[aldo28701]

I've parked my golf car in the gas station parking lot to get to the hair dressers next to Jersey Mike's. Yes there are pedestrian crossing signals.

[golfing eagles]

The deputy is correct according to the Wildwood PD.

I have the WPD statement in writing.

Please post it. Would end this debate in a hurry.

[txfan]

But I wonder how many actually do have a golf cart. After all, it is pretty useless to anyone living there to spend 14K+ for one, UNLESS they plan to ILLEGALLY use the Villages amenities. Which is why we should vigorously crack down on checking IDs. That would leave them with a large, expensive lawn ornament (unless they also have deed restrictions:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?

[golfing eagles]

There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?

Thank you for a hostile reply. But I still doubt there is a high percentage of Beaumont residents that own a golf cart. As far as the ones that do go, IF it is legal to cross 466A, they are more than welcome to use our PUBLIC roads. They can drive around to their heart's content as long as the driver is over 14 and they obey the traffic regulations. HOWEVER, the MMPs are privately owned and paid for by Villages residents as are all the amenities. So, if they are caught trespassing on our amenities in their "less fancy" carts on our "hallowed" grounds by "sacred" Villagers they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[joshgun]

Spruce Creek you can cross at. Further north than Stonecrest. Signage at intersection identifies carts can cross.

[Bilyclub]

There are golf carts there and they may not be as fancy as yours, but they operate throughout the Beaumont neighborhood and vicinity, including the Trailwinds Plaza shopping district.

Let me remind you that the roads are public throughout the hallowed ground of The Villages, so it's perfectly legal for any golf carts, whether owned by the sacred Villagers, or those you deem as outsiders.

What do poor walkers, or bicyclists from "across the tracks" face in backlash if found not to belong?


Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

[photo1902]

Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

So who is enforcing "non-Villagers" using the MMP's?

[Bilyclub]

- There used to be a "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas (haven`t looked recently). If the sign is still there I would obey that rather than trust the word of the PD - I have a feeling about which would hold up in court.

- It would be very useful to find the Sumter County list of roads that golf carts are allowed to cross. I have been unsuccessful so far so my choice will be to avoid crossing 466A



The sign was still there as of 1 today.

[Bilyclub]

So who is enforcing "non-Villagers" using the MMP's?

They can always install a key card only gate like the Paradise gate

[golfing eagles]

They can always install a key card only gate like the Paradise gate

At every entrance to a MMP from every public road????? Imagine the backup of both carts and cars.

[photo1902]

"They" are going to install a key card gate at every MMP? You're not serious. And what about walkers, cyclists, etc?

[thelegges]

"They" are going to install a key card gate at every MMP? You're not serious. And what about walkers, cyclists, etc?

One just walks or rides a bike through when a car or cart opens the gate:a040:

[dewilson58]

Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Thank you, I enjoyed that one.

:MOJE_whot:

[dewilson58]

The sign was still there as of 1 today.

It will probably stay there...................I think it's best to discourage the crossing.

[dewilson58]

At every entrance to a MMP from every public road????? Imagine the backup of both carts and cars.

Just turn up your cart to go faster and make up for the delay.

:wave:

[dewilson58]

Please post it. Would end this debate in a hurry.

Some will claim I created the document.

:clap2::clap2:

[MrChip72]

Thank you for a hostile reply. But I still doubt there is a high percentage of Beaumont residents that own a golf cart. As far as the ones that do go, IF it is legal to cross 466A, they are more than welcome to use our PUBLIC roads. They can drive around to their heart's content as long as the driver is over 14 and they obey the traffic regulations. HOWEVER, the MMPs are privately owned and paid for by Villages residents as are all the amenities. So, if they are caught trespassing on our amenities in their "less fancy" carts on our "hallowed" grounds by "sacred" Villagers they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's happened before) but my understanding was that each CDD owns the MMPs in their district. To me this would mean that being a resident of TV would not be a requirement to use the MMPs. Same as how the townies are free to visit the squares and use the parking facilities surrounding them.

I can't imagine some non-Villager, would get slapped with a trespassing charge for riding their bicycle on a MMP on the way to Brownwood for example.

[MrChip72]

Some will claim I created the document.

:clap2::clap2:

Considering posting such a document could lead to legal issues if it was fake, I think most reasonable people would assume it to be real.

[golfing eagles]

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's happened before) but my understanding was that each CDD owns the MMPs in their district. To me this would mean that being a resident of TV would not be a requirement to use the MMPs. Same as how the townies are free to visit the squares and use the parking facilities surrounding them.

I can't imagine some non-Villager, would get slapped with a trespassing charge for riding their bicycle on a MMP on the way to Brownwood for example.

The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public

[photo1902]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264591]The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public[/QUOTE

So if someone parks at Pinellas Plaza (which is public property) and walks down an MMP, they’re trespassing? You’re kidding, right?

[lizbell]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

LSVs can cross 466 and 466A, but can't drive on them otherwise.

[MrChip72]

The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public

I'm a little confused about that statement. I bought my house and have a bond just as anyone else that bought new. My understanding is the bond is paying for the capital costs of the infrastructure including roads and MMPs.

I find it hard to believe that the roads are public but the paths are not. I've read nothing in my bond information stating that it grants me private access to the MMPs, or any wording to that extent.

[Keefelane66]

“ Golf carts may only operate on streets with posted speed limits of 30 MPH and under. Golf carts may, however, cross streets with posted speed limits of 45 MPH and under just not drive them.”

Five Star Golf Carts (https://www.fivestargolfcarts.com/state-laws/florida-golf-cart-low-speed-vehicle-laws)

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264591]The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public[/QUOTE

So if someone parks at Pinellas Plaza (which is public property) and walks down an MMP, they’re trespassing? You’re kidding, right?

Don’t know if that is true, but they might be. But you’re getting off topic which has to do with golf carts from non-villagers possibly sneaking in to use our amenities

[Tvflguy]

“ Golf carts may only operate on streets with posted speed limits of 30 MPH and under. Golf carts may, however, cross streets with posted speed limits of 45 MPH and under just not drive them.”

Five Star Golf Carts (https://www.fivestargolfcarts.com/state-laws/florida-golf-cart-low-speed-vehicle-laws)

So…. Does this mean that a regular golf cart can pass by the Neighborhood Walmart to the traffic light at 466a, then cross to go into Colony Plaza????

If anyone here says Yes I will print this out and show to the police if stopped.,.

[Keefelane66]

So…. Does this mean that a regular golf cart can pass by the Neighborhood Walmart to the traffic light at 466a, then cross to go into Colony Plaza????

If anyone here says Yes I will print this out and show to the police if stopped.,.
If you believe what's on the internet. Since a tunnel is provided at Colony I would use that since there is a MMP to Hearld Way.

[Northwoods]

I'm surprised. The Developer has been very diligent about eliminating opportunities for non-Villages with golf carts to get into The Villages. There are a lot of non-Villages renters and home owners in Trailwinds.

[Dusty_Star]

I'm surprised. The Developer has been very diligent about eliminating opportunities for non-Villages with golf carts to get into The Villages. There are a lot of non-Villages renters and home owners in Trailwinds.

The Developer has been???? Interesting.

[twoplanekid]

This is new information to me that might allow golf carts to cross state roads under certain situations such as 466A

one of several links from a previous post
Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.212.html)

[golfing eagles]

I'm a little confused about that statement. I bought my house and have a bond just as anyone else that bought new. My understanding is the bond is paying for the capital costs of the infrastructure including roads and MMPs.

I find it hard to believe that the roads are public but the paths are not. I've read nothing in my bond information stating that it grants me private access to the MMPs, or any wording to that extent.

Sorry that it's hard for you to believe

[photo1902]

[QUOTE=photo1902;2264592]

Don’t know if that is true, but they might be. But you’re getting off topic which has to do with golf carts from non-villagers possibly sneaking in to use our amenities

* I’m not off topic at all. You claim the MMP’s are private, not public. If that’s the case, anyone entering/using them by any means of conveyance is trespassing. This is completely different than accessing or using a rec center, pool, etc. The bottom line is the MMP’s are fair game, as there will be no enforcement taken on people using them.

[Papa_lecki]

Just a friendly reminder that none of the squares and Sawgrass are accessible by golf carts without using the private MMP's.

The only crime that will be enforced less than doing 23 MPH on the MMP

Will be a ticket for a non villager using the MMP

What’s your probable cause to stop the non villager? Will Wildwood PD stalk the crossing at 466A, and radio ahead that the yellow Yamaha with the Green Bay Packer’s front license plate is not a Villager?

[Topspinmo]

According to Wildwood PD...............It does not have to be a Street Legal.

SL or not...............no thinks.

45 mph T-Bone = Death.


As opposed to 35 MPH and not dead? 35 Mph usually equals 40 to 50 MPH.

[Bilyclub]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264591]The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public[/QUOTE

So if someone parks at Pinellas Plaza (which is public property) and walks down an MMP, they’re trespassing? You’re kidding, right?

Pinellas Plaza is actually private property which the public is invited to use while visiting the businesses there. The nearest MMP is on Buena Vista. According to half of the social media posters, walking on a MMP is endangering your life.

[Bilyclub]

The only crime that will be enforced less than doing 23 MPH on the MMP

Will be a ticket for a non villager using the MMP

What’s your probable cause to stop the non villager? Will Wildwood PD stalk the crossing at 466A, and radio ahead that the yellow Yamaha with the Green Bay Packer’s front license plate is not a Villager?

Just stating the fact that the MMP's are not public. I was replying to this sarcastic post which you did not quote.

[EdFNJ]

WOW....Yet......you find the time to post your reply with no back up of your statement...typical.:ohdear:
Next time please come more prepared.:boxing2:

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Have some whine with your cheese, or cheese with your whine (whichever). :D :D Sorry I had other things to do at the time like leaving to pick up 100sq ft of sod then installing it, and didn't have time to search the state laws again. That being said Post #101 cites the relevant state laws but please read it carefully and IN FULL so as not to take anything out of context.

The cops alleged comment (maybe the poster quoted him wrong) was a BLANKET "anyone can cross in a cart" and that is MILES from the correct answer. There are certain specific cases (exceptions) where it can be done and likely (if one reads it fully and carefully) most do not apply here.

IIRC (not 100% sure) a while back it was posted here (so it MUST be true) that a cart was issued a ticket crossing 466A at Morse. According to the cops alleged comment that led to this it would be an incorrect ticket.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264603]

* I’m not off topic at all. You claim the MMP’s are private, not public. If that’s the case, anyone entering/using them by any means of conveyance is trespassing. This is completely different than accessing or using a rec center, pool, etc. The bottom line is the MMP’s are fair game, as there will be no enforcement taken on people using them.

What does a lack of enforcement have to do with the fact that the MMPs are private property???? If they were "public", then law enforcement could issue speeding tickets, which they can't. If they were "public", there would be a posted speed limit. If they were "public", local authorities and the state of Florida would be making the rules. Please share the section of Florida Statutes that states you can't drive your SUV on an MMP. If they were "public", all the taxpayers of the county would be paying to maintain them, not just Villagers. I suppose the bicycle paths and walking trails south of 44 are "public" as well? Get a grip.

[Gatorfan1]

Spruce Creek South at entrance. Approved by Marion County Commissioners years ago.

[Triker]

Lol you are just stirring the pot! Are you bored? Golf carts can’t go out there.

[dewilson58]

I'm a little confused about that statement.

I find it hard to believe .

Read & Learn: Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/front.aspx?district=2)

[photo1902]

[QUOTE=photo1902;2264685]

It's not about me "feeling better", it's about correcting your misinformation

Pretty sure you misunderstood my post regarding enforcement. All I was saying is that there is no way the MMP’s won’t be available for public access. Period. The issue, as I see it, is people are worried about the floodgates opening if non-villagers have the ability to access the MMP’s by golf cart. Not something I’d lose a second of sleep over if that happens. This is a completely separate topic from non-villagers using pools, rec center activities, etc., which of course no villager wants.

[Goldwingnut]

Interesting point of view from Wildwood PD. Since Pinellas Plaza is also In Wildwood it would be their jurisdiction. If this is true they need to take down the "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas. Unless the Officer meant street legal carts may cross. I've seen plenty of carts do it already, but to me it's risky as cars on 466A are flying and many go thru the red light.

There is already a “no carts beyond this point” sign (OK, not 100% sure of the exact words) on Pinellas just before you get to the light about even with the entry to the Villages Health entry. It is illegal to cross that intersection in a golf cart that is not “Street Legal”.

I doubt that it will ever be made an exception, the developer will fight tooth and nail to stop it if it is ever considered by Wildwood, and rightfully so, they want to protect their merchants competitive advantage that they pay a premium for “golf cart accessible” access for.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264698]

Pretty sure you misunderstood my post regarding enforcement. All I was saying is that there is no way the MMP’s won’t be available for public access. Period. The issue, as I see it, is people are worried about the floodgates opening if non-villagers have the ability to access the MMP’s by golf cart. Not something I’d lose a second of sleep over if that happens. This is a completely separate topic from non-villagers using pools, rec center activities, etc., which of course no villager wants.

I agree with you there, it is probably unenforceable----gates are totally impractical, and "patrolling" them even less so. But we need to get more serious about checking IDs. There are people sneaking onto the exec golf courses after the ambassador leaves, both Villagers avoiding the trail fee and non-Villagers. There are complaints about teens climbing over into Tamarind Grove and using the pools. I don't care if someone wants to cross 466A (which Don has clearly posted is illegal) and drive around on public roads or go walk on an MMP----but amenities are a different story. One cannot expect a trespasser to take proper care of a pool or golf course, nor obey the rules.

PS: If a non-Villager walker on a MMP trips and injures themselves, who is liable????? Same for a pool and golf course. Are we sharing in some degree of liability for failing to check IDs or monitor the golf course after hours?????

[Foxtrot]

Great that we can now go to Aldis across the street and save some money, it's a long cart ride to Walmart on 466 from Buttonwood. When will Winn Dixie turn into an Aldis?

[KJ1325]

I see Golf Carts coming from Continental Country Club crossing Morse all the time coming into the Village of Bradford.

[Sandy and Ed]

Do those "named roads" have a speed limit of 30 mph or less? Then it's possible you can drive on them, no different than driving on the streets in the Villages or on our roads that merge cart lanes into the car lane,
Ok. I need to get some clarification here. We can drive our NOT street legal golf carts on public roads outside the villages as long as the speed limit is 30 mph?? Was not aware of that if true. Of course if true would probably need to traverse a road with a higher speed limit to get to one under 30 mph

[Keefelane66]

Just stating the fact that the MMP's are not public. I was replying to this sarcastic post which you did not quote.
Oh good maybe Community Watch should patrol MMP’s and check ID’s

[dewilson58]

I see Golf Carts coming from Continental Country Club crossing Morse all the time coming into the Village of Bradford.

Continental across 44??

[KJ1325]

Continental across 44??

No. Crossing Morse South of 44.

[golfing eagles]

Ok. I need to get some clarification here. We can drive our NOT street legal golf carts on public roads outside the villages as long as the speed limit is 30 mph?? Was not aware of that if true. Of course if true would probably need to traverse a road with a higher speed limit to get to one under 30 mph

I'm not sure you can drive outside TV, so driving a cart on the Trailwinds roads may be equally wrong. Mea culpa. On the other hand , what about Beaumont residents with a golf cart who use those roads. Does anyone know if an area must be designated a "golf cart community"? Fruitland Park on Dixie Ave north of 466A has a sign that states it is a "golf cart community". But I've never seen a golf cart there.

[dewilson58]

No. Crossing Morse South of 44.

wow............trying to find the route on Google Maps.

[KJ1325]

wow............trying to find the route on Google Maps.

If you go down Morse (South) and cross 44 there is a back gated entrance to Continental on the right. Bradford and Chitty Chatty are on the left.

[HospitalCoder]

As far as I know, no golf carts or LSVs can cross 466A (45 MPH speed limit) and are not allowed to cross road with a 45 MPH limit.

There is no restriction for a LSV to cross roads. They can cross any road with any speed limit.

[dewilson58]

There is no restriction for a LSV to cross roads. They can cross any road with any speed limit.

Not sure if that is correct considering 316.2122 states:

A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.

:shrug:

[JGibson]

Don't put words in my mouth… I only referenced 466 A and Pinellas Place. He was very specific saying that the sheriffs department is aware of this intersection and is working that with the Wildwood police.

Easy. I didn't put words in your mouth. There was a question mark at the end of my sentence.

[golfing eagles]

There is no restriction for a LSV to cross roads. They can cross any road with any speed limit.

Please don't try to cross I-75 in your LSV, even if you believe your erroneous assertion.

[HospitalCoder]

Not sure if that is correct considering 316.2122 states:

A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.

:shrug:

Those 2 statements do not conflict. They may prohibit crossing higher speed roads if they wish. They only prohibit driving with traffic on those roads. I did thorough research prior to getting my golf cart licensed to be an LSV.

[Bilyclub]

wow............trying to find the route on Google Maps.



Here it is...

[wfp113@hotmail.com]

LSV's can cross a road with a speed limit of 45 MPH as long as there is a traffic light.
LSV's are allowed to cross, not golf carts.

[dewilson58]

LSV's are allowed to cross, not golf carts.

Not true according to the Wildwood PD.

(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.


A traffic control device in this instance would be the light at the intersection.

[dewilson58]

Those 2 statements do not conflict. They may prohibit crossing higher speed roads if they wish. They only prohibit driving with traffic on those roads. I did thorough research prior to getting my golf cart licensed to be an LSV.

It does not state, driving with traffic...........it states on the road.

[Bill14564]

Not true according to the Wildwood PD.

(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.


A traffic control device in this instance would be the light at the intersection.

Under (a) of that section (316.2126)
… shall be operated only by municipal employees for municipal purposes, including, but not limited to, police patrol, traffic enforcement, and inspection of public facilities.

[dewilson58]

Here it is...

Yes, that does not surprise me.

I thought (at first) he/she was talking about the country club on 44......not the trailer court.

:)

[golfing eagles]

Not true according to the Wildwood PD.

(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.


A traffic control device in this instance would be the light at the intersection.

Florida statute 316.212 2(a):

(2) A golf cart may be operated on a part of the State Highway System only under the following conditions:
(a) To cross a portion of the State Highway System which intersects a county road or municipal street that has been designated for use by golf carts if the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes.

So, despite the deputy, unless the Florida DOT has reviewed and approved golf cart crossings at that point, well.......

[Dusty_Star]

Here it is...
Wow! Several lanes of traffic to cross there. I guess if the must get to Sawgrass...

[Vermilion Villager]

The only crime that will be enforced less than doing 23 MPH on the MMP

Will be a ticket for a non villager using the MMP

What’s your probable cause to stop the non villager? Will Wildwood PD stalk the crossing at 466A, and radio ahead that the yellow Yamaha with the Green Bay Packer’s front license plate is not a Villager?
Green Bay Packer fans can go anywhere......It's the Law of the Universe!!:spoken:

[Vermilion Villager]

Florida statute 316.212 2(a):

(2) A golf cart may be operated on a part of the State Highway System only under the following conditions:
(a) To cross a portion of the State Highway System which intersects a county road or municipal street that has been designated for use by golf carts if the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes.

So, despite the deputy, unless the Florida DOT has reviewed and approved golf cart crossings at that point, well.......

Do you know that they haven't?

[dewilson58]

Florida statute 316.212 2(a):

(2) A golf cart may be operated on a part of the State Highway System only under the following conditions:
(a) To cross a portion of the State Highway System which intersects a county road or municipal street that has been designated for use by golf carts if the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes.

So, despite the deputy, unless the Florida DOT has reviewed and approved golf cart crossings at that point, well.......

Jus so you know...............Officer Layne is an officer, not a deputy.

Also, Officer Layne created the Traffic Enforcement Unit for the Wildwood PD.
If Officer Layne says, good-to-go...........I'm not asking him if he got approval.
:ho:


I lean towards Officer Layne statements and away from Villager Google searches.

[golfing eagles]

Do you know that they haven't?

No, hence the word "unless"

[golfing eagles]

Jus so you know...............Officer Layne is an officer, not a deputy.

Also, Officer Layne created the Traffic Enforcement Unit for the Wildwood PD.
If Officer Layne says, good-to-go...........I'm not asking him if he got approval.
:ho:


I lean towards Officer Layne statements and away from Villager Google searches.

I understand and generally agree, but that is the exact statute copied and pasted from the State of Florida statutes, so I wouldn't put it in the category of the typical "Villager google search"

[Vermilion Villager]

No, hence the word "unless"
Got it....you have no proof this isn't the case but said it anyway and are arguing with everyone who is offering something of substance (conversations with multiple law enforcement officials from different agencies
Let me guess...There's no such thing as Bigfoot… UNLESS Bigfoot does exist....and was the shooter on the grassy knoll:shrug::undecided::ohdear::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

Got it....you have no proof this isn't the case but said it anyway and are arguing with everyone who is offering something of substance (conversations with multiple law enforcement officials from different agencies
Let me guess...There's no such thing as Bigfoot… UNLESS Bigfoot does exist....and was the shooter on the grassy knoll:shrug::undecided::ohdear::1rotfl:

One bit of proof would be the signage that reads “No Carts Beyond This Point.” Like a speed limit sign or a stop sign, that’s all the proof I personally need.

“I read on ToTV that the officer and the deputy told someone it was okay” seems unlikely to trump the posted signage.

Now. of the Wildwood PD and Sumter Sheriff have made a decision not to ticket golf carts crossing there then okay. I won’t be rolling the dice on that.

[golfing eagles]

Got it....you have no proof this isn't the case but said it anyway and are arguing with everyone who is offering something of substance (conversations with multiple law enforcement officials from different agencies
Let me guess...There's no such thing as Bigfoot… UNLESS Bigfoot does exist....and was the shooter on the grassy knoll:shrug::undecided::ohdear::1rotfl:

Well, obviously you don’t got it

[MrChip72]

But you’re getting off topic which has to do with golf carts from non-villagers possibly sneaking in to use our amenities

Why would a non-villager driving a golf cart be more likely to use our amenities than a non-villager driving a car?

[golfing eagles]

Why would a non-villager driving a golf cart be more likely to use our amenities than a non-villager driving a car?

Never stated that was the case

[Bilyclub]

Why would a non-villager driving a golf cart be more likely to use our amenities than a non-villager driving a car?

Because they would be more likely to use a MMP with their golf cart. Is the MMP an amenity ? I would say yes due to residents paying to maintain them.

[Bilyclub]

Yes, that does not surprise me.

I thought (at first) he/she was talking about the country club on 44......not the trailer court.

:)


It's all the same, I thought. Is it the Continental Country Club Trailer Park ?

[Gatorfan1]

According to Wildwood PD...............It does not have to be a Street Legal.

SL or not...............no thinks.

45 mph T-Bone = Death.

Get in writing, dated and witnessed

[MrChip72]

Because they would be more likely to use a MMP with their golf cart. Is the MMP an amenity ? I would say yes due to residents paying to maintain them.

Does the amenity fee specifically include paying for MMP maintenance? I guess it's possible, but I haven't seen anything definitive on that.

How will it work with Middleton where there is no amenity fee?

[golfing eagles]

Does the amenity fee specifically include paying for MMP maintenance? I guess it's possible, but I haven't seen anything definitive on that.

How will it work with Middleton where there is no amenity fee?

Don't know if it comes out of the amenity fee or the maintenance fee, but it is paid exclusively by Villagers, not the counties.

[txfan]

Not true according to the Wildwood PD.

(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.


A traffic control device in this instance would be the light at the intersection.

This trumps a Villages-posted sign that states “no golf carts beyond this point” on Pinellas Pl approaching 466A. Thanks.

[dewilson58]

Don't know if it comes out of the amenity fee or the maintenance fee, but it is paid exclusively by Villagers, not the counties.

Annual Maint Fee.

The CDD owns approx 1,000 acres of land, including paths, and they maintain the land.

[HORNET]

And if caught, you will pay a fine and it will be turned into your insurance company. Don’t believe what others tell you, you need to call or stop at Sumter County Police Station and/ or Wildwood Police Station. The fine could be quite expensive. Check it out.

[Papa_lecki]

I was too.

I talked to Garth Layne of the Wildwood PD.

Give him a buzz...................nice guy.

I don’t think Officer Layne told DEWILSON his opinion, I would guess; that the WPD actually talk about this topic - and have an answer and a protocol.

[KJ1325]

Yes, that does not surprise me.

I thought (at first) he/she was talking about the country club on 44......not the trailer court.

:)

Its the same place.

[dewilson58]

Its the same place.

Nope.

[golfing eagles]

///

[JGibson]

This trumps a Villages-posted sign that states “no golf carts beyond this point” on Pinellas Pl approaching 466A. Thanks.

Did something legally change after The Villages put out those signs?

[jchase]

Saw I Yamaha Golf Cart cross 466A this morning, I was wonderingly what was up

[Bogie Shooter]

Saw I Yamaha Golf Cart cross 466A this morning, I was wonderingly what was up

Probably a TOTV reader………:22yikes:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Looks like golfing eagles and dewilson are quoting two different parts of the Florida General Statutes.

Dewilson is quoting something that doesn't apply to Villagers at all. It is exclusively for municipal and state employees using golf carts and utility vehicles as part of their job.

Golfing eagles is quoting the part that does apply to Villagers - we cannot cross roads that have a speed limit of 45 or more, unless an exception has been made in a specific location. There would need to be a discussion - paperwork, forms, officials making official decisions to make those exceptions. It's not just a "hey Officer Jimbob, is it okay if this neighborhood crosses the road here?" "Sure Gary and Jennifer, you're good to go."

I'd love to see the official ruling on the location in question. Not something that an individual police officer said. But something in writing. So far I'm not seeing it in the General Statutes of the state.

[Papa_lecki]

Here’s what’s beautiful.

If, after reading the 163 posts on the topic…..
you don’t feel comfortable crossing 466A in your golf car, don’t
If you do feel comfortable, have at it.

[mtdjed]

The Village signs have no legal authority. They are just advice. There are no Village police and county / city Police don't have authority to enforce Villages road signs.

[Bill14564]

The Village signs have no legal authority. They are just advice. There are no Village police and county / city Police don't have authority to enforce Villages road signs.

Is that your professional legal opinion? What leads you to believe the signs on a county road are "Villages" signs and not county signs in accordance with Florida statute 316.212 or 316.2125?

[Bilyclub]

I used the contact form on the Wildwood PD website the night this thread came out asking for some clarification. I have yet to get an answer. The next step would be a FOI request.

[dewilson58]

I used the contact form on the Wildwood PD website the night this thread came out asking for some clarification. I have yet to get an answer. The next step would be a FOI request.

I can't remember, but my initial contact took a few days to get a response.

:thumbup:

[DonH57]

Those " No carts beyond this point "signs? Yeah. I do know the policy on our golf carts becomes null and void if our carts cross the point in the event of an accident.

[dewilson58]

Those " No carts beyond this point "signs? Yeah. I do know the policy on our golf carts becomes null and void if our carts cross the point in the event of an accident.

If this is true................it's probably not true in this case.

The sign was put up over 10 years ago by TV when there was nothing across the street.

I doubt TV has a reminder to verify the validity of every sign they have put up over the last 30 years.

[EdFNJ]

I used the contact form on the Wildwood PD website the night this thread came out asking for some clarification. I have yet to get an answer. The next step would be a FOI request.. You can send 10 requests and get 10 different answers. "Best one of out 10" may be be what you want to hear won't necessarily win in court. :D.

[EdFNJ]

Not true according to the Wildwood PD.

(d) Golf carts and utility vehicles may cross a portion of the State Highway System which has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less only at an intersection with an official traffic control device.


A traffic control device in this instance would be the light at the intersection.


That section refers to the MUNICIPALITIES use, not "individual" use. 316.212 is for personal use golf carts.

316.2126 Authorized use of golf carts, low-speed vehicles, and utility vehicles.—(1) In addition to the powers granted by ss. 316.212 and 316.2125, municipalities are authorized to use golf carts and utility vehicles, as defined in s. 320.01, upon any state, county, or municipal roads located within the corporate limits of such municipalities, subject to the following conditions: (which is where the 45mph is listed)

[EdFNJ]

Those " No carts beyond this point "signs? Yeah. I do know the policy on our golf carts becomes null and void if our carts cross the point in the event of an accident.. Curious as to how you "know" that? Is that listed in your cart policy? Mine only states all laws and ordinances must be observed. Not sure, and I highly doubt, those signs are "legal" signs and are laws and ordinances.

Also you might note wrt to insurance coverage that if your cart is ****CAPABLE**** of exceeding 20mph (which is likely 80% of the carts here) it is no longer legally a golf cart which (IMO) makes a lot of cart insurance null and void should the insurance company check (not that they will unless it is a major accident involving personal injury).

[Marathon Man]

The Village signs have no legal authority. They are just advice. There are no Village police and county / city Police don't have authority to enforce Villages road signs.

It's irresponsible to publicly state that road signs can be ignored. Just what are "Village signs"?

[JGibson]

I don't see anywhere in my golf cart insurance that says anything about 20MPH.

Even if I crossed 466a and got into an accident the insurance would still have to cover damage.

The weird thing is they don't do a DMV check when getting golf cart insurance.

Even all these folks getting DUIs in golf carts that information never makes it to the insurance company.

[Bill14564]

I don't see anywhere in my golf cart insurance that says anything about 20MPH.

Even if I crossed 466a and got into an accident the insurance would still have to cover damage.

…


Does your policy say anything about coverage while you are engaged in illegal activity? I haven’t taken the time to dig mine up yet.

[DonH57]

. Curious as to how you "know" that? Is that listed in your cart policy? Mine only states all laws and ordinances must be observed. Not sure, and I highly doubt, those signs are "legal" signs and are laws and ordinances.

Also you might note wrt to insurance coverage that if your cart is ****CAPABLE**** of exceeding 20mph (which is likely 80% of the carts here) it is no longer legally a golf cart which (IMO) makes a lot of cart insurance null and void should the insurance company check (not that they will unless it is a major accident involving personal injury).

Mine states basically the same in reference to following state laws and ordinances. I'm not stating villages made signs are law, just that I'm not stupid enough to try and find out the hard way. Only statement in reference to non registered carts is the requirements and again, I'm not stupid enough to see if I will really get a ticket for driving my cart 28 MPH on Morse or any other street.

[Bogie Shooter]

Does your policy say anything about coverage while you are engaged in illegal activity? I haven’t taken the time to dig mine up yet.

Are you planning some illegal activity?:confused:

[Bill14564]

Are you planning some illegal activity?:confused:

Not personally, no. Based on what has appeared in this and other threads, some are.

[golfing eagles]

Mine states basically the same in reference to following state laws and ordinances. I'm not stating villages made signs are law, just that I'm not stupid enough to try and find out the hard way. Only statement in reference to non registered carts is the requirements and again, I'm not stupid enough to see if I will really get a ticket for driving my cart 28 MPH on Morse or any other street.

Your cart can actually go 28????? The bad news: the applicable law is somewhat stupid in my opinion---you could be driving at 15, but if the cart is capable of exceeding 20 you could be cited for an unregistered vehicle. Why is that stupid? My convertible is capale of going 140---should I get a ticket when I drive 29 in a 30 zone because of its "capability"?

[DonH57]

Your cart can actually go 28????? The bad news: the applicable law is somewhat stupid in my opinion---you could be driving at 15, but if the cart is capable of exceeding 20 you could be cited for an unregistered vehicle. Why is that stupid? My convertible is capale of going 140---should I get a ticket when I drive 29 in a 30 zone because of its "capability"?

Generally stating if it could go 28 I wouldn't be ignorant enough to test it. In the 11 years I've lived here I've never heard of random no notice checking of golf cart speed let alone other enforcement.

[golfing eagles]

Generally stating if it could go 28 I wouldn't be ignorant enough to test it. In the 11 years I've lived here I've never heard of random no notice checking of golf cart speed let alone other enforcement.

Neither have I. But in the case of an accident, or an unrelated infraction such as rolling through a stop sign, it is possible. I just think that law needs to be changed. A knife or a gun is not a murder weapon until it is used to kill someone. My car is not speeding until I exceed 70 on an interstate. My grocery bag is not a meal until I cook it. So why did they pass a law that makes one guilty even if they did not exceed the cart limit of 20???? Because they might???? Kind of reminds me of the movie "Minority Report". It's not even guilty until proven innocent, it's guilty before a violation is even committed.

[EdFNJ]

I don't see anywhere in my golf cart insurance that says anything about 20MPH.It won't say that because if you own(buy) a golf cart it legally CANNOT BE DELIVERED to you CAPABLE of EXCEEDING 20mph. So if you insure a GC that is CAPABLE of EXCEEDING 20mph it is NOT a golf cart and you not only do not have a golf cart but you gave false information to your insurance agent.

Yea, I'd bet the vast majority do go over 20mph even being set at 22mph max by the dealer or DIY as mine does but that isn't the point. The legal definition of a GC is that it CANNOT be built to EXCEED 20MPH and that is in B&W all over the place and the dealers know it.

The constant misinformation posted here hundreds of times is that there is a 20MPH SPEED LIMIT for golf carts which would incorrectly mean that if you never go over 20MPH you are legal. That is NOT the case. The 20MPH is a manufacturing limitation. Carts being imported into the country must have legal documentation of their speed limitation, else they would be considered LSVs and be taxed and dutied and registered as cars.

General Federal Law for Golf Carts:

Under current NHTSA interpretations and regulations, so long as golf cars and other similar vehicles are incapable of exceeding 20 miles per hour, they are subject to only state and local requirements regarding safety equipment.

However, if these vehicles are originally manufactured so that they can go faster than 20 miles per hour, they are treated as motor vehicles under Federal law.

The standard requires low-speed vehicles to be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rear view mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.



The above Quoted from (and found in MANY other places including FLorida MV laws): Five Star Golf Carts (https://www.fivestargolfcarts.com/state-laws/florida-golf-cart-low-speed-vehicle-laws)

FL STATE INFO: https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/mv/lowspeedvehicles.pdf

[dewilson58]

Read this some where today:

A Villager was transported by ambulance to UF Health-Leesburg Hospital after a three-car crash near Pinellas Plaza.

Denise Carolyn Costa, 74, of the Village of DeLuna, was driving a white 2022 Subaru Legacy four-door at 11:50 a.m. Thursday westbound on County Road 466A when she attempted a left hand-turn at Pinellas Place, according to an accident report from the Wildwood Police Department. A witness told police that Costa had a flashing yellow light while eastbound traffic on County Road 466A had a steady green light.

Costa turned in front of a gray 2014 Ford Edge driven by 82-year-old Elizabeth Keen Meyer of the Village of Fenney, who had been eastbound. The front of Meyer’s vehicle struck Costa’s vehicle which rotated and was hit by a white 2020 Chevy Silverado pickup driven by 17-year-old Chris Ivan Guerrero-Ortega of Summerfield.

The other two drivers escaped injury. All three vehicles were towed from the scene. No tickets were issued.

[golfing eagles]

Read this some where today:

A Villager was transported by ambulance to UF Health-Leesburg Hospital after a three-car crash near Pinellas Plaza.

Denise Carolyn Costa, 74, of the Village of DeLuna, was driving a white 2022 Subaru Legacy four-door at 11:50 a.m. Thursday westbound on County Road 466A when she attempted a left hand-turn at Pinellas Place, according to an accident report from the Wildwood Police Department. A witness told police that Costa had a flashing yellow light while eastbound traffic on County Road 466A had a steady green light.

Costa turned in front of a gray 2014 Ford Edge driven by 82-year-old Elizabeth Keen Meyer of the Village of Fenney, who had been eastbound. The front of Meyer’s vehicle struck Costa’s vehicle which rotated and was hit by a white 2020 Chevy Silverado pickup driven by 17-year-old Chris Ivan Guerrero-Ortega of Summerfield.

The other two drivers escaped injury. All three vehicles were towed from the scene. No tickets were issued.

And???? Somebody with less than adequate driving skills turned right in front of an oncoming vehicle at an intersection with absolutely no visibility problems. I hope everyone is OK, but let's not turn this into a soapbox to advocate for dedicated red turn arrows at every intersection. Some intersections need it, some don't

[dewilson58]

And????

Jus an example of how poop happens and you have to be out of your mind to cross 466a in a golf cart.

[golfing eagles]

Jus an example of how poop happens and you have to be out of your mind to cross 466a in a golf cart.

That's easy to agree with:BigApplause:

[Papa_lecki]

Jus an example of how poop happens and you have to be out of your mind to cross 466a in a golf cart.

AGREE.
I live near the intersection, go to Lowes and LOVE Jersey Mikes.

I would never cross 466A in my golf cart (I also always look for an excuse to take the gold car). I would Uber eats a Jersey Mike if I didn’t have my car.

I would bet MOST fatal golf car crashes involve automobile vs golf car -
not golf car vs tree or golf car vs golf car

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

AGREE.
I live near the intersection, go to Lowes and LOVE Jersey Mikes.

I would never cross 466A in my golf cart (I also always look for an excuse to take the gold car). I would Uber eats a Jersey Mike if I didn’t have my car.

I would bet MOST fatal golf car crashes involve automobile vs golf car -
not golf car vs tree or golf car vs golf car

I just go over the golf cart bridge when I want to go to Jersey Mike's on 441. Gotta love the Historic Section, you can take the cart almost anywhere. If I want to go to Best Buy or Ulta I just park at Petco and walk across Rolling Acres where there are high curb-barriers in the middle of the road, and walk down to those other strip-malls. If you're paying attention and are capable of ramping up into a slow jog, it's not dangerous. But you do have to pay attention, and you do have to be able to jog those 10 steps.

[golfing eagles]

I just go over the golf cart bridge when I want to go to Jersey Mike's on 441. Gotta love the Historic Section, you can take the cart almost anywhere. If I want to go to Best Buy or Ulta I just park at Petco and walk across Rolling Acres where there are high curb-barriers in the middle of the road, and walk down to those other strip-malls. If you're paying attention and are capable of ramping up into a slow jog, it's not dangerous. But you do have to pay attention, and you do have to be able to jog those 10 steps.

Or, as I just witnessed yesterday as I was going to Home Depot, a regular cart (not street legal even), with a 30 something couple in it, turned off 441/27 South and onto Rolling Acres, then turned in front of traffic into the Best Buy plaza. Makes crossing 466A a cake walk :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[pauld315]

Since 466A is a county road that approval would need to come from Sumter County. Perhaps the Wildwood Police are not enforcing the law as it is written. The correct people to contact regarding the legality of crossing there on a golf cart would be Sumter County to see if they have provided a waiver for that area of 466A.

https://www.wildwood-fl.gov/sites/default/files/fileattachments/code_enforcement/page/4061/o2017-70_golf_cart_low_speed_vehicles_amending_chapter_1 2_article_vii_section_12-155.pdf

[DonH57]

Or, as I just witnessed yesterday as I was going to Home Depot, a regular cart (not street legal even), with a 30 something couple in it, turned off 441/27 South and onto Rolling Acres, then turned in front of traffic into the Best Buy plaza. Makes crossing 466A a cake walk :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Almost every time I'm in the area I witness non registered golf carts cross Bella Cruz Dr at the intersection on 441 by the Sharon Morse Bldg.

[Keefelane66]

If a bicycle can cross 466a at Pinellas on the light then so should a golf cart…

[dewilson58]

If a bicycle can cross 466a at Pinellas on the light then so should a golf cart…

Given that "logic"........a golf cart can cross 466a at Morse.

[Keefelane66]

Personally with the option of a tunnel under 466a or at Colony with access to MMP I wouldn’t, also the speed limit on Morse. Over the years the novelty of driving a golf cart for trips has worn off only use cart on golf days.

[txfan]

And???? Somebody with less than adequate driving skills turned right in front of an oncoming vehicle at an intersection with absolutely no visibility problems. I hope everyone is OK, but let's not turn this into a soapbox to advocate for dedicated red turn arrows at every intersection. Some intersections need it, some don't

Wrong. That left turn can be blind because of cars trying to turn left into Pinellas Plaza.

They've finally done away with that blinking turn arrow at Buena Vista for the same blind-turn.

[golfing eagles]

Wrong. That left turn can be blind because of cars trying to turn left into Pinellas Plaza.

They've finally done away with that blinking turn arrow at Buena Vista for the same blind-turn.

Actually, if you had read the post a bit more carefully, you would know the driver that turned was headed WESTBOUND. There are no visibility issues there, I've made that turn hundreds of times.

[Bilyclub]

Saw a cart with groceries from Winn Dixie go Northbound across 466A into Beaumont yesterday. The no carts past this point sign is still there.

[dewilson58]

Saw a cart with groceries from Winn Dixie go Northbound across 466A into Beaumont yesterday. The no carts past this point sign is still there.

Don't hold your breath.............I doubt TV verifies each of their 10,000 signs are still valid and I doubt Wildwood cares about developer signs.

[twoplanekid]

I ask the question about golf carts crossing 466A during the government day today at the Eisenhower Rec Center. According to Captain Robert Siemer of the Sumter County Sheriff's dept., if the "NO golf carts beyond this point " is still in place, then you must abide by that notice. The Sheriff Dept. or the Wildwood police will take the sign down if the regulations change. He was aware of the issue.