Cloned Gate Cards still work!

[Jeff.wilner@gmail.com]

I just had a new cloned gate card installed on my new car and it works well in all the gates I have tried. As mentioned in previous posts, it would be difficult for the developer to make the cloned cards not work (since they are exact copies of the originals).
I had mine done by "The Village Blacksmith" for $35. Ellie Yifrach was professional and ensured that it would work.
If you are considering getting this done, I highly recommend Ellie. His contact number is: 352-530-5984.

[Topspinmo]

I just push the red button if I don’t have my ISSUED card.

[twoplanekid]

Everyone has the right to their own opinion on this subject of cloned gate cards. I have personally cloned my own card and installed them in both my and my brother’s cars several years ago. He owns a house up the street from me in the Villages.

For me, it’s a convenience and safety issue that I enjoy. I don’t need to look for the ISSUED :smiley: card nor look for the window control to thus have both eyes on the gate and on the wheel the whole time. For those that question the use of a device that opens the gates with little to no effort, you should try it and or ride with someone that uses it. I will never go back to the old way. And I would say to District staff that tells me that their expectation is that cloned cards will not work in the future. I hope you are wrong.

P.S. My cloned cards still work at all gates.

[Stu from NYC]

Fir 35 bucks willing to use my card.

[Mleeja]

It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card.

[kaydee]

When saying “ cloned gate card” is that the same as the magnet inserted behind the side view mirror?

[retiredguy123]

When saying “ cloned gate card” is that the same as the magnet inserted behind the side view mirror?
It is usually a round plastic disc that is attached to the outside mirror with an adhesive, not a magnet.

[Maker]

It's clear that many people have, and prefer to use, a gate opener card in their mirror.
These gates are blocking PUBLIC roads.
We, the owners here, are the ones who pay for everything here. That includes the management staff and all the infrastructure.

Management needs to remember that they work for us. Heavy handed actions against us are not appreciated or acceptable.

[dewilson58]

Heavy handed actions against us are not appreciated or acceptable.

Heavy handed by one, may be appreciated by many.

:mornincoffee:

[twoplanekid]

I don't mind spending big bucks on items that I use every day. I believe that my cost per gate opening is now down to around 2 cents and lowering each time I use the cloned chip to open the gate.:smiley:


Another thread from this year on the chips.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/wanted-gate-chip-338824/

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=Mleeja;2265862]It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card.[/QUOTE
We didn't pay $35. Ours was much less expensive. Also, it's well known that many of the gates do not have a gatekeeper. Most of the ones we use every day have no gatekeeper. The gates we use every day will not read the card from inside the car window. I enjoy not getting my arm wet in the Florida downpours.

[Dusty_Star]

It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card.

Only if you go through a manned gate.

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't mind spending big bucks on items that I use every day. I believe that my cost per gate opening is now down to around 2 cents and lowering each time I use the cloned chip to open the gate.:smiley:


Another thread from this year on the chips.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/wanted-gate-chip-338824/

That thread had 74 posts…….could this thread have as many?

[JGibson]

Next, they will be cloning resident ID cards.

[Normal]

Next, they will be cloning resident ID cards.

Nah, a reader/writer is about 10 bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/Pomya-Reader-Handheld-Duplicator-13-56MHZ/dp/B07SKBFFLJ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2G8Y5KGPMQDC9&keywords=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer&qid=1697544007&sprefix=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer%2Caps% 2C100&sr=8-3

The chips are about 40 cents each with the adhesive.

[Carla B]

Advantages of the cloned cards: No wear and tear on the window opener, no getting arm wet in the rain, no fumbling of the card, as in it dropping either in or outside the car while trying to use it, thus delaying flow of traffic.

[coffeebean]

I just push the red button if I don’t have my ISSUED card.

But, but, but.........you have to open your window. I much prefer not to open my window. I hold my card on the door with the window closed and it works with all gates that I use frequently. I would love to get one of the cloned cards installed in the side mirror but hubby does not want it done on our newish car.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Advantages of the cloned cards: No wear and tear on the window opener, no getting arm wet in the rain, no fumbling of the card, as in it dropping either in or outside the car while trying to use it, thus delaying flow of traffic.

My sun visor has a slot that the gate card fits perfectly in. I assume that slot is for gate cards. I can still drop the card but as soon as I get it from the visor, I prop it on the door so it is right next to the window. I am driving with one hand at this point but so far so good. I would still much prefer to have that gizmo installed on my side view mirror though.

[bsloan1960]

It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card. Following your logic is it safe to assume you never spend money at a restaurant since you can save the money by eating at home? If not, why is it worth $35 to eat one meal, but not $35 on a product that gives value day after day?

[Normal]

Following your logic is it safe to assume you never spend money at a restaurant since you can save the money by eating at home? If not, why is it worth $35 to eat one meal, but not $35 on a product that gives value day after day?

The reader writer and a batch of 20 chips is less than 35 bucks and you can do your cars, golf carts even bicycles. Then do the neighbors too and still have left over chips for less than 25 dollars.

[Sandy and Ed]

HUH?? I like the gates. Controls traffic and helps avoid collision with golf carts Helps keep out the riffraff that would use the residential neighborhoods as bi/pass roads. One of the reasons I moved here. What’s your beef with that???

[banjobob]

Great tip ,but are the gate card readers at the same height and how far away will it read the card?

[Keefelane66]

Great tip ,but are the gate card readers at the same height and how far away will it read the card?
Our card is read at about 18 inches thru tinted glass driver window

[Justputt]

Hmm, this is what retired people focus on? I was told the gates aren't there to control access but to moderate speed, at least we don't have speed bumps.

[retiredguy123]

Great tip ,but are the gate card readers at the same height and how far away will it read the card?
Some of the gate openers in the old sections of The Villages are higher than in the newer sections, so the mirror readers may not work as well on them. I have my own clone reader/writer, and I have found that attaching 3 adhesive discs to the mirror work better than using only one. Also, attaching a disc with waterproof tape on the outside edge of the mirror housing is the best location.

[Captainpd]

But, but, but.........you have to open your window. I much prefer not to open my window. I hold my card on the door with the window closed and it works with all gates that I use frequently. I would love to get one of the cloned cards installed in the side mirror but hubby does not want it done on our newish car.

Most are mounted inside the side mirror. Not visible and work great. $15, shop around.

[kendi]

It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card.

If it’s raining you can hold your card against your window and the gate will open. Have to make sure you’re close enough though.

[huge-pigeons]

Is $35 really going to make a difference in your budget? You would rather destroy your window motor or get your car wet to save a few bucks.
I’ve had my cars done and I got over a dozen cars done for $25 each.

[USN-Retired]

My wife is paralyzed from waist down. We have a vehicle with hand controls that gives her some sense of freedom. The ability to get thru a gate without having to place vehicle in park to free up her hands to roll down a window & find the gate card to scan is a godsend!

[PurePeach]

It is not hard to wave your card or press a button. If it is raining one can go through the visitors gate and the attendant will open the gate for you. If The Villages installs a more passive system I would certainly use it. In the meantime, I will save $35.00 and just use my card.

We don’t have a visitors gate in our village. I have a cloned chip in my mirror and love it. Well worth the money when it’s poring rain or windy and cold. When/if I get another car, I’ll get one installed on that car, too.

[Byte1]

I talked to a lady at the Villages Business office this week and she told me that after the new year, my cloned card would not work. The new, replacement cards will not be able to be cloned. Not sure if she was blowing smoke, but I wonder how they will replace EVERYONE's gate cards, if the old ones won't work next year.
I enjoy having the little cloned disk inside my outside drivers side mirror. It's much faster and I no longer drop and fumble for the card when approaching a gate. I've only had a couple gates that it didn't work because the gate sensor was too high.

[JGibson]

I talked to a lady at the Villages Business office this week and she told me that after the new year, my cloned card would not work. The new, replacement cards will not be able to be cloned. Not sure if she was blowing smoke, but I wonder how they will replace EVERYONE's gate cards, if the old ones won't work next year.
I enjoy having the little cloned disk inside my outside drivers side mirror. It's much faster and I no longer drop and fumble for the card when approaching a gate. I've only had a couple gates that it didn't work because the gate sensor was too high.

They’re going to put card readers at the pools and don't want any cloning.

[Keefelane66]

Currently I believe The Villages uses 125kHz RFID cards there are some limitations they may change to a dual frequency reader that may not be able to be cloned on newly issued cards or replacements time will tell.

[Bill14564]

They’re going to put card readers at the pools and don't want any cloning.

Where did you get this information? I would like to go to the audio recording of the meeting and listen to the details.

[EdFNJ]

Nah, a reader/writer is about 10 bucks.

Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Pomya-Reader-Handheld-Duplicator-13-56MHZ/dp/B07SKBFFLJ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2G8Y5KGPMQDC9&keywords=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer&qid=1697544007&sprefix=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer%2Caps% 2C100&sr=8-3)

The chips are about 40 cents each with the adhesive.. That particular one likely won't work as it doesn't say "HID" compatible.

[EdFNJ]

Currently I believe The Villages uses 125kHz RFID cards there are some limitations they may change to a dual frequency reader that may not be able to be cloned on newly issued cards or replacements time will tell.. If NEW ones going forward l go that route, maybe, but then again it would seem pretty useless to have 120,000 as is current type and the next few thousand updated. It would seem to have to be "all or none" and I strongly doubt they plan on changing probably 100,000++ existing cards and every gate reader.

[EdFNJ]

Is $35 really going to make a difference in your budget? You would rather destroy your window motor or get your car wet to save a few bucks.
I’ve had my cars done and I got over a dozen cars done for $25 each.. Why does there need to be so much rationalization for getting one of these? Window motors? Really. It's just an easy, lazy CONVENIENCE. People pi$$ away more money on cigarettes, or booze in one day then on one of these things.

[EdFNJ]

Following your logic is it safe to assume you never spend money at a restaurant since you can save the money by eating at home? If not, why is it worth $35 to eat one meal, but not $35 on a product that gives value day after day?


:BigApplause::BigApplause:

So much BS goes on here every time a thread like this gets started (and there seems to be an advertisement for someone else every month or 2 for a new thread).

[EdFNJ]

I talked to a lady at the Villages Business office this week and she told me that after the new year, my cloned card would not work. The new, replacement cards will not be able to be cloned. Not sure if she. That shows how little she knows. If your card was actually **CLONED** what she says is impossible but if the person who did your card just entered RANDOM NUMBERS on it that are not in The Villages database ONLY THEN is that possible. **IF** what she said was true they would have to replace every single existing card which is probably well over 100,000. It is POSSIBLE that NEWLY ISSUED cards may not be able to be cloned but all existing ones will be fine and could still be cloned.

[Dusty_Star]

. It is POSSIBLE that NEWLY ISSUED cards may not be able to be cloned but all existing ones will be fine and could still be cloned.

& if that possibility for newly issed cards happens, it would only be until the cloning device manufacturers catch up with the new technology, then back to business as usual.

[Altavia]

Unless you see global card replacement cost in a budget somewhere, it's not going to happen.

[retiredguy123]

& if that possibility for newly issed cards happens, it would only be until the cloning device manufacturers catch up with the new technology, then back to business as usual.
Hopefully, if new gate cards are issued, they will have sufficient range so that it won't be necessary to apply plastic discs inside the mirror.

[Byte1]

. That shows how little she knows. If your card was actually **CLONED** what she says is impossible but if the person who did your card just entered RANDOM NUMBERS on it that are not in The Villages database ONLY THEN is that possible. **IF** what she said was true they would have to replace every single existing card which is probably well over 100,000. It is POSSIBLE that NEWLY ISSUED cards may not be able to be cloned but all existing ones will be fine and could still be cloned.

Next time, I'll ask her to speak to you. You seem to assume that what they do with it might concern me....it doesn't. I like the convenience of the chip inside my mirror. It's a CONVENIENCE, not something that would make me wish to move away. I also enjoyed the built-in garage door opener button on my rear view mirror. It's a CONVENIENCE. I did not ask her for more information regarding the gate cards because I was there for an entirely different purpose. Personally, I doubt they can do anything that can't be cloned. I find it ridiculous that they are even concerned with anyone having the cards, since ANYONE can simply push the red button. After all, these are public roads and no one can be kept out. Like the lady said, "we have a community with gates, not a gated community." That's why I find it ludicrous to invest money into a nothingburger.

[toeser]

I just had a new cloned gate card installed on my new car and it works well in all the gates I have tried. As mentioned in previous posts, it would be difficult for the developer to make the cloned cards not work (since they are exact copies of the originals).
I had mine done by "The Village Blacksmith" for $35. Ellie Yifrach was professional and ensured that it would work.
If you are considering getting this done, I highly recommend Ellie. His contact number is: 352-530-5984.

Alternatively, I bought a clone card maker on Amazon for less that came with 10 blanks. Works great.

[JoMar]

My sun visor has a slot that the gate card fits perfectly in. I assume that slot is for gate cards. I can still drop the card but as soon as I get it from the visor, I prop it on the door so it is right next to the window. I am driving with one hand at this point but so far so good. I would still much prefer to have that gizmo installed on my side view mirror though.

So why don't you?

[affald]

Nah, a reader/writer is about 10 bucks.

Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Pomya-Reader-Handheld-Duplicator-13-56MHZ/dp/B07SKBFFLJ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2G8Y5KGPMQDC9&keywords=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer&qid=1697544007&sprefix=rfid+stickers+and+reader+and+writer%2Caps% 2C100&sr=8-3)

The chips are about 40 cents each with the adhesive.

Wow. Cheap. Is the the correct writer for the village frequency? If existing cards will work after upgrade, looks like they won't change existing frequency.

[retiredguy123]

Wow. Cheap. Is the the correct writer for the village frequency? If existing cards will work after upgrade, looks like they won't change existing frequency.
I don't know about that one, but I have one that looks like this and it does work.

https://www.amazon.com/HECERE-Handheld-125khz-Duplicator-Keychains/dp/B08J6KTM9F/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3MPMECNYMLIII&keywords=rfid+reader+writer&qid=1697907525&sprefix=rfid+reader+writer%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-3

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just use the card that came with the house. Hubby has one too. We carry them with us and use them if/when needed. Mine's in a silicone pocket stuck to the back of my cell phone case. If I'm too far from the card reader to just push the red button (or if the card reader doesn't have one) then I just hold the back of the phone up with my open window and voila - open gate.

If it's raining - my wrist and hand get wet. The phone's in a case, it can handle a couple of seconds of downpour.

[Maker]

I just use the card that came with the house. Hubby has one too. We carry them with us and use them if/when needed. Mine's in a silicone pocket stuck to the back of my cell phone case....

Tried that. Wireless charging for my phone stopped working. Likely too big of a gap, with too much blocking the magnetic energy. Multiple chargers tried, no dice with all.

That could be another reason why many people want the mirror transponders.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Tried that. Wireless charging for my phone stopped working. Likely too big of a gap, with too much blocking the magnetic energy. Multiple chargers tried, no dice with all.

That could be another reason why many people want the mirror transponders.

Although I have a wireless charger, I never use it. I did try using it, all I had to do was pull the card halfway out of the silicone pocket and it charged up just fine - though insanely slow, which is why I never use it.

Wireless chargers are never as fast as plugging your phone with a cord into a wall socket charger (or cigarette lighter charger or USB port on your dashboard). So rather than waste hours waiting for my phone to charge up from 60%, I waste 15 minutes with corded charging.

They've also improved cell phone cases these days. And they've improved on those silicone card pockets as well. There are dozens of combos you can choose and still have your phone charge with a wireless charger.

There is absolutely no need, or reason, for anyone to use a cloned gate card, when their home comes with two of them already.

[Bill14564]

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There is absolutely no need, or reason, for anyone to use a cloned gate card, when their home comes with two of them already.

I've seen several good reasons for using a cloned card in this thread alone.

[Keefelane66]

My cloned mirror chip and gate card are still working. EVERYWHERE even south of 44.

[CarlR33]

If someone steels a cloned golf cart, bike or other vehicle can they get in the property with it?

[Bogie Shooter]

If someone steels a cloned golf cart, bike or other vehicle can they get in the property with it?

No need , push the red button. Duh!

[dhdallas]

I just had a new cloned gate card installed on my new car and it works well in all the gates I have tried. As mentioned in previous posts, it would be difficult for the developer to make the cloned cards not work (since they are exact copies of the originals).
I had mine done by "The Village Blacksmith" for $35. Ellie Yifrach was professional and ensured that it would work.
If you are considering getting this done, I highly recommend Ellie. His contact number is: 352-530-5984.

I can push the red button for free. Who needs a gate card, cloned or otherwise? I never use mine.

[Pairadocs]

It's clear that many people have, and prefer to use, a gate opener card in their mirror.
These gates are blocking PUBLIC roads.
We, the owners here, are the ones who pay for everything here. That includes the management staff and all the infrastructure.

Management needs to remember that they work for us. Heavy handed actions against us are not appreciated or acceptable.

I've often wondered, have the people in Leesburg, Wildwood, Tavares, etc. etc. ever considered just putting up gates and attendants to "guard" their PUBLIC streets and roads too ? Just something I've thought about from time to time..what if EVERYONE decided to invent their own method of obstructing traffic to public roads, can't deny access, but just throw up gates and stage people at the gates to public roads ?

[twoplanekid]

The best way to go through a gate

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R6WfX80P0qc)

[Dusty_Star]

I've often wondered, have the people in Leesburg, Wildwood, Tavares, etc. etc. ever considered just putting up gates and attendants to "guard" their PUBLIC streets and roads too ? Just something I've thought about from time to time..what if EVERYONE decided to invent their own method of obstructing traffic to public roads, can't deny access, but just throw up gates and stage people at the gates to public roads ?


The gates are not used to "guard" the roads, as much as to slow traffic, so golf carts don't get flattened. I suppose if the towns you mentioned decided to facilitate golf cart transport, then they would likely consider the gate options, especially as a successful example is so nearby.

[spd2918]

I dont understand peoples' anger over cloned cards. If you don't want one, don't get one.

I bought a cloner (the one pictured above) and made my own cards for all my villages vehicles (including a Goldwing). They worked well and no baby seals were harmed.

[TheVillageBlacksmith]

The best way to go through a gate

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R6WfX80P0qc)

This method 👆 is fantastic—safe and convenient!


Even better, I've been using this active pass with extended range for almost two years without encountering any issues. I still have a few left if anyone's interested. You can reach out to me at 352-5305984.

👇

The Villages entry gates with active pass
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2dmEB7x2pQ&ab_channel=ThePeaceForge)

Ellie ✌️

[JoMar]

My sun visor has a slot that the gate card fits perfectly in. I assume that slot is for gate cards. I can still drop the card but as soon as I get it from the visor, I prop it on the door so it is right next to the window. I am driving with one hand at this point but so far so good. I would still much prefer to have that gizmo installed on my side view mirror though.

Just took delivery of our "newish" car.....first add was the "gizmo" on the mirror for $25.00. Don't understand your hubby's adversion but some folks just can't accept stuff that makes life easier :)

[twoplanekid]

I received this notice in my District email today and thought it might be of interest to some Villagers.

The following is being forwarded at the request of Kenny Blocker…

Good Morning,

As you know, During Fiscal Year 2022-2023, The Village Center Community Development District (VCCDD) and Sumter Landing Community Development District (SLCDD) entered into Piggyback Agreements with Integrated Fire and Security Solutions (IFSS) for a Security Maintenance & Service Plan to service and maintain our traffic gates and associated equipment. Both the Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) and the Project Wide Advisory Committee (PWAC) authorized significant investment into our gates (and associated systems/hardware & components) as well as replacing the Gate Control Operating System. Some specific updates on this project are itemized below:

Gate Control Operating System: This project required upgrading the main control board at each gate. This phase is substantially complete with only the restricted RV Lots left to transition. The contractor provided support to set up, operate and train staff on the new operating system in April 2024. With this completed, the District will transition during the month of May to the new Gate Control Operating System. Residents should stay tuned to DistrictGov.org, e-notifications and the Weekly Bulletin for additional information regarding this transition. When this switch occurs, all expired or unauthorized cards will no longer function, and residents will be required to visit one of our three customer service locations for additional assistance. Community Watch will have handouts at the gates for residents who discover that their gate card no longer functions.


Gate Hardware Upgrades: Major effort has been expended to concurrently upgrade the existing gate hardware, including control motors, actuators, beam sensors, gate arms, gate loops and many other components. The contractor completed this work in April 2024. As a result of these upgrades, you likely have seen a dramatic reduction in the number of gate issues, downed gate arms, etc. While we still have an occasional gate strike, the number of strikes is down as well down due to the repairs to the sensors and gate loops. Additionally, with this work now complete, the IFSS contract will transition to “fully executed” based on the contract terms, versus time and materials, thereby reducing the monthly costs for gate maintenance services.


Long Distance Readers: To install Long Distance Readers, we must be running on the new Gate Control Operating System, which as stated above, will be in May 2024. We will be “testing” long distance readers at select gates and presenting options to AAC and PWAC to convert all of our gates to Long Distance Readers (already budgeted this Fiscal Year). Residents desiring to use the “long distance reader functionality” will have the ability purchase alternative devices from the District which will function with the long-distance readers. The existing gate cards will continue to operate as they have in the past; however, you must purchase one of the offered options for the long-distance functionality to work.

As this project and testing progresses, we will provide an update on the scheduled installation of long-distance readers at the gate locations during this current fiscal year.


Kenneth C. Blocker

District Manager

984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, Florida 32162

[MrChip72]

When this switch occurs, all expired or unauthorized cards will no longer function, and residents will be required to visit one of our three customer service locations for additional assistance. Community Watch will have handouts at the gates for residents who discover that their gate card no longer functions.

Yes, and then you clone the new card. Takes 5 seconds with an NFC/RFID cloning device. Easy peasy.

[twoplanekid]

Yes, and then you clone the new card. Takes 5 seconds with an NFC/RFID cloning device. Easy peasy.

I agree as long as the card is active in the system as most will be ! I cloned my card to use one in my mirror.

[Altavia]

I agree as long as the card is active in the system as most will be ! I cloned my card to use one in my mirror.

You have to get closer to the curb for those to work, and they don't work everywhere. So I like the possibility of a long range reader option.

[retiredguy123]

You have to get closer to the curb for those to work, and they don't work everywhere. So I like the possibility of a long range reader option.
I agree with a long range reader. But, I make my own cloned discs. I use 3 discs inside the mirror and one on the outside edge taped to the mirror casing with duct tape. They work fine at all gates.

[twoplanekid]

You have to get closer to the curb for those to work, and they don't work everywhere. So I like the possibility of a long range reader option.

My cloned card seems to work better and at a greater range with the new equipment so I see no need to replace it at this time. In fact, I have not had it fail to open a gate in the past six months.

[Keefelane66]

You have to get closer to the curb for those to work, and they don't work everywhere. So I like the possibility of a long range reader option.
I have a chip on my mirror works fine 18 inches from all gate sensors

[JoMar]

I just push the red button if I don’t have my ISSUED card.

Since the mirror unit is essentially the ISSUED card, is recorded the same as the one issued to you, doesn't impact the Developer or security, I don't understand the issue.

[Maker]

How many millions has already been spent on perpetuating the illusion of a gated community? And more spending is in the works.

[Altavia]

How many millions has already been spent on perpetuating the illusion of a gated community? And more spending is in the works.

I'm on the same page. Did they stop putting large "RESIDENT RENTRY" signs up at gates?

At this point it's part of the charm of the Villages and would be hard to take away.

[JoMar]

How many millions has already been spent on perpetuating the illusion of a gated community? And more spending is in the works.

I suspect the reason you are here is because they spent millions on providing a place to live that makes you happy, assuming you live here. Gates are a nit and keep a bunch of golf carts safer and moving.

[Maker]

I suspect the reason you are here is because they spent millions on providing a place to live that makes you happy, assuming you live here. Gates are a nit and keep a bunch of golf carts safer and moving.

I disagree. Gates cause a whole bunch of issues that vanish if they were gone...

Sight lines are blocked because of the hardware, signs, and landscaping.
Carts get accustomed to darting in front of a car approaching a gate, and when the arm is down they are in serious risk of getting hit.
In entry areas with 2 lanes, cars are moving left\right\left\right. Many times carts try to time it so they cross between cars. Causes a near miss situation.
Gates slow down the rate of cars entering. Bunching things up at a slow speed. Converts a stream of faster cars with significant gaps between cars, into a solid line of cars close together. Takes longer for those cars to pass. Carts get backed up waiting too. More congestion is always less safe.

I bought here in spite of the fake image of the gates, and the problems they cause.
Just because "it's always been done that way" doesn't always make it the right thing in today's world. I try to keep an open mind, looking at issues that have opportunity for improvement. Removing gates are an opportunity to improve traffic flow and make it safer at the same time.

[JMintzer]

I disagree. Gates cause a whole bunch of issues that vanish if they were gone...

Sight lines are blocked because of the hardware, signs, and landscaping.
Carts get accustomed to darting in front of a car approaching a gate, and when the arm is down they are in serious risk of getting hit.
In entry areas with 2 lanes, cars are moving left\right\left\right. Many times carts try to time it so they cross between cars. Causes a near miss situation.
Gates slow down the rate of cars entering. Bunching things up at a slow speed. Converts a stream of faster cars with significant gaps between cars, into a solid line of cars close together. Takes longer for those cars to pass. Carts get backed up waiting too. More congestion is always less safe.

I bought here in spite of the fake image of the gates, and the problems they cause.
Just because "it's always been done that way" doesn't always make it the right thing in today's world. I try to keep an open mind, looking at issues that have opportunity for improvement. Removing gates are an opportunity to improve traffic flow and make it safer at the same time.

And I disagree with everything you just said. Yes, people can be stupid. They'll be stupid with or without gates. Both cart and car drivers.

But gates most certainly make it safer for golf carts...

I bought here with no illusions about the purpose of the gates. And after 3+ years, I'm still happy they're there...

[Maker]

And I disagree with everything you just said. Yes, people can be stupid. They'll be stupid with or without gates. Both cart and car drivers.

But gates most certainly make it safer for golf carts...

I bought here with no illusions about the purpose of the gates. And after 3+ years, I'm still happy they're there...

How do you make that conclusion? Just your opinion, but examples please.
I provided several specific reasons how gates are making things less safe.
Just yesterday two cars arrived at an entry with two gates. The cart was fixated at the closer car, and darted in front of its gate, and directly into the lane for the second car - who had to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision. That was caused by the inattentive cart driver (cannot fix stupid) and because of how the cart driver is accustomed to pull in front of cars (who have the right of way). NOT SAFER

[Bill14564]

How do you make that conclusion? Just your opinion, but examples please.
I provided several specific reasons how gates are making things less safe.
Just yesterday two cars arrived at an entry with two gates. The cart was fixated at the closer car, and darted in front of its gate, and directly into the lane for the second car - who had to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision. That was caused by the inattentive cart driver (cannot fix stupid) and because of how the cart driver is accustomed to pull in front of cars (who have the right of way). NOT SAFER

But because of the gates, one car was stopped and the other was moving slowly since it had just been stopped by the gate. Because of this, the car was able to stop rather than hitting the cart.

Now think of what might have happened if there had been no gate and both cars were traveling at 30 or 35 mph after accelerating out of the traffic circle.

Do you drive a cart?

[JMintzer]

How do you make that conclusion? Just your opinion, but examples please.
I provided several specific reasons how gates are making things less safe.
Just yesterday two cars arrived at an entry with two gates. The cart was fixated at the closer car, and darted in front of its gate, and directly into the lane for the second car - who had to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision. That was caused by the inattentive cart driver (cannot fix stupid) and because of how the cart driver is accustomed to pull in front of cars (who have the right of way). NOT SAFER

Because in the 3+ years I've had my home in TV, I've yet to experience any of the things you complain about...

And yes, you cannot fix stupid. Stupid wins regardless of if there's a gate or not...

[Maker]

But because of the gates, one car was stopped and the other was moving slowly since it had just been stopped by the gate. Because of this, the car was able to stop rather than hitting the cart.

Now think of what might have happened if there had been no gate and both cars were traveling at 30 or 35 mph after accelerating out of the traffic circle.

Do you drive a cart?

I would think the cart would stop and allow the cars to pass. Even stupid people are going to not pull out in front of a moving car. They will wait until it's clear.

And I do drive a cart all over the area. See lots of things and question how to make things safer. So my observations and suggestions are based in first hand experience and witnessing actual things. Not made up from a lack of paying attention.