Golf Cart Confusion seeks clarity

[GoingSouth]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

[JoMar]

If you think you are confused now, wait until you see the responses you get here.

[tophcfa]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

[mrf0151]

Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.

[Tvflguy]

If you think you are confused now, wait until you see the responses you get here.

Love this response! So true. 55 responses. 55 opinions.

Be careful what you ask for…

[BrianL99]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

You're over thinking it. Buy whatever decent used cart you find, use it for a while, then decide. They're cheap to buy and easy to sell.

[MrChip72]

Personally we found that buying a used cart was the least stressful route. We bought a low mileage 7 year old cart with several expensive add-ons included for less than 1/3rd the price of a new one.

If something happens with our cart, we'll just buy a newer used one and we'll still be ahead.

Outside of snowbird season, you can see a flood of not very old used carts coming on the market between spring and fall.

[villagetinker]

I agree with above, do not jump immediately into a new cart. Get a nice used one, get to know the villages which is now around 70 square miles, and over 20 miles North to South. Electric GC have some range limitations you may need to consider, and time required to recharge, gas typically can go 200 to 250 miles on a full tank and few minutes to "recharge". The newest Yamaha quietech are actually very nice, we have one and we can hold a conversation at normal voice levels and any speed. Yes, all of the gas golf carts have some odor, which you will typically never smell unless you are backing up, you will smell OTHER gas carts.
My point, get a gas cart use it for a few weeks or months to get an idea of what you actually Need/want, then either keep the cart you picked up or going with something different.

[Topspinmo]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.



Thoughts on what shouldn’t buy?

Gas cart with carburetor

Electric cart with old lead acid batteries.

[rsmurano]

Lithium batteries are expensive to buy then real expensive to replace, which I’ve heard up to $4000 for the higher capacity version, which you will have to replace every 5-8 years. People have posted that the older the batteries get, the mileage range per charge starts to shrink.
Get the newest Yamaha drive2 gas golf cart you can afford. The newer Yamahas have better features, quieter, etc than just a couple of yeas old model. If you buy used, get the 24/7 cart breakdown insurance, and then every year after get it renewed. A new cart usually comes with that kind of insurance, ours did

[Janie123]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.
Gas or Electric, IMHO, I love that I can hit the gas station about once every 7-10 days. My 2016 Yamaha gets 50+/- MPG but some swear by batteries. If you get gas, the Yamaha quite tech 2 is the top of the line. When they say quiet tech, they mean it and the ride is much more comfortable. My only regret is I did not get a QT2. I saw some of these for <10k while looking for a friend… depending on number of seats, hours on the engine, etc. I live up north near the Savannah Center and have driven to Southern Oaks to play golf about an hour down, 4 hours on the course and an hour back and never thought twice about batteries dying.

[banjobob]

Yamahas are a great cart the quiet motor (gas) great ride , just ancient styling , a new body is waaaay past needed.

[Rzepecki]

You're over thinking it. Buy whatever decent used cart you find, use it for a while, then decide. They're cheap to buy and easy to sell.

This is the best and truest response. After you’ve been here awhile and settled into life, you’ll know what you want and need in a golf cart.

[srswans]

Be careful buying used gas if it isn’t a Yamaha QT2 - the older gas carts are quite noxious - never back it in lest you pollute the entire garage and even the house. The people you pass will hate you too.

[bark4me]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.
You're over thinking all this. You have me exhausted now.

[Windguy]

Lithium batteries are expensive to buy then real expensive to replace, which I’ve heard up to $4000 for the higher capacity version, which you will have to replace every 5-8 years.
Yes, I paid a little over $4K to replace my lead-acid batteries with three lithium ones. They are good for 13 miles each (totaling 39 miles). BUT, they are warranted for 10 years and any problems will be fixed for no charge, so please quit quoting the 5-8 years to scare people away from electric.

[JGiles336]

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

Country Village Power Equipment is ABSOLUTELY the BEST place to go to purchase a new or used golf cart. Better pricing, better service. You will not regret going outside of the villages for your purchase. They offer to service your carts at your home location.

We bought a NEW 2 seat Yamaha quiet Tec and a year later bought another. (4 seater to use when guests visit)

[TomPerry]

Yes, I paid a little over $4K to replace my lead-acid batteries with three lithium ones. They are good for 13 miles each (totaling 39 miles). BUT, they are warranted for 10 years and any problems will be fixed for no charge, so please quit quoting the 5-8 years to scare people away from electric.
I am curious, the lithium battery is warranted for 10 years? If it has to be replaced within that 10 year period, do they replace the battery free of charge, or do they prorate the replacement cost?

[Susan1717]

There is no right or wrong for everyone as we all have different opinions. I feel that what goes into getting the resources for electric batteries make them just as bad or worse for the environment. For my own personal use, I bought a couple year old used Yamaha gas golf cart and have been absolutely thrilled with it. I can judge easily when I need gas and there are gas stations everywhere. It seems like I run forever before I have to fill up again. So far after three years of owning, I have never had one problem.

[LonnyP]

It's all about personal preference on electric or gas. I considered both too and have friends that have electric. I prefer the Yamaha gas, and newer than 2018. If you don't buy from the Villages then they will not work on your cart. But, if you buy used anyway I have found Todd Casey to be fair, honest and comes to your house for service or repair. He has multiple trucks and mechanics these days. You can also use him to add LED lighting if you want to personalize your cart. Good luck.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

Willie’s.

[Altawood]

The price of a new Yamaha is beyond ridiculous when compared to an automobile and the engineering/design is tailored to a vehicle for driving 18 holes in a day, not 10-15 at 20+ mph.
The Gas carts do have a history, one of noise and smell. In addition, the gas carts require yearly maintenance while the EV do not. They are quieter, smoother and handle just as well. The operating cost of the EV is less also. While the Gas carts can go 2x-miles on a tank, the EV’s can’t make half of that, but then you don’t have to visit the gas station with the EV. Just plug it in when you return home and you’re full by morning at a cost of $0.60 or $0.01 per mile.

I have never heard of a course or village that requires participants to use gas carts, but know of many that require electric.
Having said all that, do NOT buy an EV that uses lead-acid batteries. Only lithium.
The above is my opinion and there are plenty of dissenters. Enjoy your time in The Villages.

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

[Miboater]

I bought a used 2016 Yamaha EFI with only 60 hours when we first bought here in November 2021 as you could not get a new one for 9 months. It's been a great cart with no issues. We now have added a 2023 Yamaha Quietech which is a great cart as well.

The Quietech is quieter than the EFI as they added sound insulation to the engine compartment. The new cart has a little slower acceleration than the old cart. I believe that is due to Yamaha dropping the horsepower from 11hp with the EFI to 9hp with the Quietech. That being said, the biggest difference between the two is the ride quality in the Quietech is superior to the EFI. They added independent suspension which makes the ride much more comfortable. I've rode in a lot of different carts since we've been here and I don't think you will find a smoother ride.

[cjky2k]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

We bought new in 2021 because we wanted to - Yamaha gas quiet tech from The Villages Golf Cars. We like the convenience of their service and have been pleased (I know not everyone will agree). When a friend bought a house here this spring and wanted a golf cart, but a used one, he bought from the Villages Golf Cars as well. It was refurbished with things added like seat belts, self cancelling turn signals, extra running lights in front and back - safety features he wanted as he is renting his home for a couple of years. Also all the “replaceable” maintenance things were replaced. One year limited warranty. Not the cheapest but a solid value and then easy for him (and renters) if service is needed. TVGC only sells a small number of used carts that are traded in for new ones.

[Annie66]

Yes, I paid a little over $4K to replace my lead-acid batteries with three lithium ones. They are good for 13 miles each (totaling 39 miles). BUT, they are warranted for 10 years and any problems will be fixed for no charge, so please quit quoting the 5-8 years to scare people away from electric.

Does the 10-year warranty cover normal wear and tear or just manufacturer defects? I suspect the latter and not the former, but since I do not have the warranty in front of me to read, I'd like to hear the answer.

[Maker]

The villages golf car store will be the most expensive. By far. They are the only store within TV. You are paying for convenience. When service is needed, they offer free loaner. Stores are accessible by cart.
Many people love them, others hate them (for very valid reasons, not money).
They will not service anything you did not buy from them. Nor will they sell you parts.

There are many other dealers all around the area. They carry every imaginable mfg. Keep in mind future repairs and parts availability.

If electric, only consider lithium. There are different battery capacity batteries. 48v most common. 105ah will be cheaper than 210ah, but you might not have the range needed to get around to far extents. Remember the stated "range" is under ideal conditions. Remember you need to get back home. TV is expanding miles to the south, making a trip from end to end quite long (distance and time) including getting across the turnpike (1 cart bridge today, 2nd for carts soon). Look at district.gov for maps and lots of info.

Nothing here is a straight line. In fact, TV goes out of their way to make curvy roads. At night, car headlights will point directly at carts in many spots. If you have eye issues, that could impact your intended nighttime use.

There are services that will help if cart dies (like AAA does for autos). Either make a simple fix, bring gas if you run out, or flatbed tow it where you want. Signup for peace of mind. Cost somewhere near $50

Highly recommended is liability insurance at around $100/yr.

If you don't bring one with you, give time to settle in here. Absolutely NO NEED to get a cart right away.
Look around, test drive, evaluate models. Think about features/options like self cancelling turn signals, audio system (quality, volume, bass, and bluetooth), 2 or 4 seats (overall length, parking), speedometer, LED lights (headlights, underbody, side strips), lifted (but still can fit under tunnels), enclosure (none, soft side panels, rigid doors).

If any cart is not as 100% factory new, pop open a cover and look at wiring. Are accessories wired in cleanly, or hacked in. Wiring and devices secured neatly or are things loose to bounce around?

Ask about top speed. Many come at 20mph max. You will be passed by 90% of other carts going 24mph +/- (many will chime in about legalities, that's a whole separate topic)

New to TV?? ... Make sure you understand there are deed restrictions that might make plans you have not allowable.

[NoMo50]

I have never heard of a course or village that requires participants to use gas carts, but know of many that require electric.

Absolutely untrue. There is not a single Village, or golf course within The Villages, that requires folks to use an electric cart.

[Fastskiguy]

They certainly seem super expensive for what they are. Having said that, if I were to buy today, I'd go lithium. Or maybe look into a used electric and retrofit lithium. Smooth, silent power.....just so nice :)

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[garykoca427@gmail.com]

I bought a refurbished golf cart from The Villages Golf Cart store in Brownwood in 2015. I still have it.

[sowilts]

Wait to you arrive and test carts at the Championship Courses. Make a the decision you want. It will be what you ride every day.

[Bill14564]

I am curious, the lithium battery is warranted for 10 years? If it has to be replaced within that 10 year period, do they replace the battery free of charge, or do they prorate the replacement cost?

The warranty for my electric cart mentions replacing the battery if it fails. It does not mention any cost or proration for the replacement.

Does the 10-year warranty cover normal wear and tear or just manufacturer defects? I suspect the latter and not the former, but since I do not have the warranty in front of me to read, I'd like to hear the answer.

The 10-year warranty is for the battery. There is no "normal wear and tear" for a battery.

[maistocars]

We bought one from Carts & Clubs in Ocala and because the wait was 7 months at the time we bought a second new one in Alabama and rented a U-Haul - saved $4k. Both are great!

[lawgolfer]

You're making the decision way too complicated.

Follow the advice of one of the early responders and take a pleasant drive to Webster and buy a new Yamaha from Country Power.

You'll get the best price in the area, a bullet-proof cart, and great service.

[MrFlorida]

The majority of carts here are Yahama gas. That should tell you something.

[Chi-Town]

Yamaha gas - The Villages Golf Cars. It's a long term purchase,

[ron32162]

Your overthinking it. Just go to Villages golf cart. they have a warranty and they will service it.

[scooterstang]

I sold new and used golf cars in MN and I can tell you that 95% percent of my sales were for the Yamaha Gas powered models(that tells you something)plus we serviced cars and guess what took up all the repair stalls(electric cars)

[Sully2023]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

I purchased a new golf cart two years ago from carts and clubs in Ocala. They were recommended to me by some friends. I did a spread sheet of items in the golf cart and found the same cart at the villages cost significantly more. Over a $1500 more for the same cart with options. I went with gas as I did not want to worry about battery life if driving long distances. At the time my cart cost me $15k. Recently I looked at golf carts outside the villages store in Brownwood and new carts were running over $20k It’s all in knowing your budget. Carts and clubs services your golf cart at your home. Good luck with your purchase.

[BrianL99]

Absolutely untrue. There is not a single Village, or golf course within The Villages, that requires folks to use an electric cart.


Probably one of the only places in the universe that still allows gas carts, but you're right ... The Villages doesn't prohibit gasoline carts, anywhere.

[Bill14564]

I own two, a 2019 Yamaha gas and a 2022 (or is it 23?) EZGo electric. I bought the 2019 at Villages Discount and the 2022 at The Villages. I am happy with both. Neither has needed any warranty work so far.

When it comes time to purchase another several years from now I will most likely buy electric. Both my carts run well but the electric is simpler to maintain.

- Every week or so I need to fill the gas tank
- Every month I need to make a trip to the gas station to fill the 5 gallon can
- Every year I need to change the oil, clean and grease the clutch, check the two belts, and clean or replace the air filter
- Every few years I will need to change the drive belt

For the electric cart, I need to plug it in most nights.

The gas cart has about four times the range of the electric cart for a single day but habits don't take me that far and my backside would/did protest if I tried.

[rsibole]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

#1- Any new golf cart will probably last longer than you
#2- The Villages golf cart sales dealership sells so many carts they are the only ones to get the latest and best configurations
#3- Even if you pay $1,000 more over ten years of expected use (most people believe they will live another ten years regardless of how old they are) the cost is minimal
And, #4- Yamaha Gas

Note: Buying used from an individual would be a last resort - “if it sounds too good to be true, it isn’t “

[TomSpasm]

I've always thought that if any of my friends with a gas cart drove my electric cart for a week, when getting back in there's, they would quickly decide they needed an electric cart.

I paid 4K for a 4 year old Club Car DS in early 2012. Most of my neighbors bought new Yamahas that they have already replaced. Mine runs just the same way it did when I bought it...fantastic.

One caveat I'll grant, my wife and I are small people, if we weighed 375 lbs combined, the electric cart would not drive as nicely and I might prefer gas.

[DrMack]

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

We are having a cart delivered from the same place. Did you have any issues on delivery? We are so excited. Riding in the golf cart is one of joys of moving into TV.

[mntlblok]

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

We did the same in May.

Went through a couple of electric carts during my time living in a golf community in Savannah. Was very surprised to learn that most Villages carts are gas, as there had been none where we lived before.

Not finding any downsides here to the gas Yamaha. Worn out batteries were a pain - even for those who remembered to add water on a timely basis. :-)

[easeonby]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

For the Villages the Yamaha gas golf cart is the best way to go. Electric Lithium battery carts just stop moving when battery get low, no warning.

[tophcfa]

We are having a cart delivered from the same place. Did you have any issues on delivery? We are so excited. Riding in the golf cart is one of joys of moving into TV.

No problem with the delivery, and they came back to the house after I put 30 hours on the cart and did a free oil change (I paid a $5 up-charge for Amsoil) and checked and adjusted everything as needed. When the cart was about 2 months old, I had a problem with the headlight switch and they came to our house a couple days later and put in a new headlight/blinker control assembly. The cart now has 150 hours on it without any issues and we love it. We would definitely use them again and highly recommend them. Enjoy your new Quietech : )

[Marmaduke]

Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.
I think your answer is very helpful. Nice!
We bought a lithium battery operated cart from Cart World and it is FANTASTIC.
Friends critique us because they hear that those batteries can catch fire. We do not care. No noise, no maintenance beyond an annual physical. 8 year lithium battery warrenty.

[Marmaduke]

Actually, we do care about the controversy over lithium batteries, but we charge it and unplug it right away.
It charges very quickly and we don't leave it plugged in for hours beyond a full charge.

[Jerrysherry]

I have electric Carts for over 20+yrs.now I have Lithium Battery, just love quiet ride, no gas fumes not loud !

[Dlpdo]

Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.

Just for info the Yamaha gas is no where near a quiet as the electric carts. They have been using lithium batteries in cars since before 2010 with great success. I thinks that should be an adequate track record.

[photo1902]

Be careful buying used gas if it isn’t a Yamaha QT2 - the older gas carts are quite noxious - never back it in lest you pollute the entire garage and even the house. The people you pass will hate you too.

Don’t be a drama queen

[jimjamuser]

Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.
Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!

[jimjamuser]

I agree with above, do not jump immediately into a new cart. Get a nice used one, get to know the villages which is now around 70 square miles, and over 20 miles North to South. Electric GC have some range limitations you may need to consider, and time required to recharge, gas typically can go 200 to 250 miles on a full tank and few minutes to "recharge". The newest Yamaha quietech are actually very nice, we have one and we can hold a conversation at normal voice levels and any speed. Yes, all of the gas golf carts have some odor, which you will typically never smell unless you are backing up, you will smell OTHER gas carts.
My point, get a gas cart use it for a few weeks or months to get an idea of what you actually Need/want, then either keep the cart you picked up or going with something different.
All the older gas golf carts smell after they have gone by your location. It has to be unhealthy to breathe in those pathetic gases. Cars and trucks with much larger motors have much less smell. And not to mention the effect on the upper atmosphere layer.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, I paid a little over $4K to replace my lead-acid batteries with three lithium ones. They are good for 13 miles each (totaling 39 miles). BUT, they are warranted for 10 years and any problems will be fixed for no charge, so please quit quoting the 5-8 years to scare people away from electric.
Yes instead of scaring people away from electric golf carts, there should be a rule to ONLY allow electric in The Villages. Oh, I forgot......that would be progressive and we would NEVER want that. Never be at the forefront of progress.

[jimjamuser]

The price of a new Yamaha is beyond ridiculous when compared to an automobile and the engineering/design is tailored to a vehicle for driving 18 holes in a day, not 10-15 at 20+ mph.
The Gas carts do have a history, one of noise and smell. In addition, the gas carts require yearly maintenance while the EV do not. They are quieter, smoother and handle just as well. The operating cost of the EV is less also. While the Gas carts can go 2x-miles on a tank, the EV’s can’t make half of that, but then you don’t have to visit the gas station with the EV. Just plug it in when you return home and you’re full by morning at a cost of $0.60 or $0.01 per mile.

I have never heard of a course or village that requires participants to use gas carts, but know of many that require electric.
Having said all that, do NOT buy an EV that uses lead-acid batteries. Only lithium.
The above is my opinion and there are plenty of dissenters. Enjoy your time in The Villages.
An electric golf cart helps keep DOWN the earth's temperatures. Less upper atmosphere HEAT reflection. Anyone notice the record temperatures here in Florida this summer? Gas golf carts put out a lot of smoke and pollution, especially the older ones!

[coleprice]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

We bought a STAR electric Cart that has 8 Lead-Cell Batteries. We have about an 80 mile range, but our range reduced to about 50 miles after 5 years, prior to replacing the original batteries. It has been very reliable, plus there's no nasty smells that gas carts emit and it's quiet. The NEW Yamaha carts are very clean burning and quiet, but they're much more expensive than a used electric STAR or Club Golf cart. As far as convenience is concerned, I plug my electric cart into a 120V outlet at night, after use. Never have to make a trip to buy gas and no need to store hazardous gas at home.

[wamley]

Difficult to get parts for anything related to the litium battery if you have trouble. Comes from China and can take months.

[Bill14564]

Difficult to get parts for anything related to the litium battery if you have trouble. Comes from China and can take months.

There are no parts related to the lithium battery.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.

[KennyP]

Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!
That wont make them quieter

[Bill14564]

A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?
Plug the electric cart in when you park and never have to worry about it. No trips to the gas station to fill the 5 gallon can, no need to remember to put fuel in the cart, no cleaning up the spills, ... Just plug it in and you're good to go.

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.
May find out in eight years or so. Or may not if we replace the cart by then.

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.
When was the last time the power was out for more than a couple of minutes? (and there was that one time but if I remember correctly the tunnels and paths were flooded so gas carts weren't usable either)

[SHIBUMI]

A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

[TomSpasm]

When we moved here, we rented a house that came with an electric cart that would go 27mph! I've seen other posters claim electric aren't as fast as gas. Simply untrue. The bad news is I'm also one of the unlucky few who've been caught driving an unregistered electric cart and been forced to make the mandatory court appearance in Bushnell.

[Fastskiguy]

Is it possible to buy a cheap old (well...5 years +/-) lead acid cart and put in lithium? If so....wouldn't that be a pretty cheap option? Or is that just not a thing?

Joe

[Topspinmo]

I've always thought that if any of my friends with a gas cart drove my electric cart for a week, when getting back in there's, they would quickly decide they needed an electric cart.

I paid 4K for a 4 year old Club Car DS in early 2012. Most of my neighbors bought new Yamahas that they have already replaced. Mine runs just the same way it did when I bought it...fantastic.

One caveat I'll grant, my wife and I are small people, if we weighed 375 lbs combined, the electric cart would not drive as nicely and I might prefer gas.


I had CC DS, 2005. I had different view, the front end was cheap hit anything and bend something, bushing worn creating steering wheel wobble. Had corrosion problems, spot on garage floor, battery cables inside corrosion. Smell when charging, Brakes dust problems, had to remove drums clean out grit. Then there was the 4 year old batteries that starting to loose amps. I will admit I had no clue how precious owner took care of it. I guessing he done little and most likely over filled batteries creating the corrosion problems? I had pretty much fixed everything except the weak batteries.

It came with house I brought and was fine for running about neighborhood in my district. But running all day all over the villages was taking chance.

Now the ride, seats was uncomfortable. Suspension was ridged. I didn’t want the expense of batteries and fighting corrosion. So I sold it and brought 13,995 list price Yamaha village read gas cart 2 years old for 7500. With my 2500 sale of the CC got about 5 grand into it. It has 18K miles on it. I have replaced start battery twice, tires, belts twice, spark plug twice, secondary clutch, tie rod ends, and changed oil twice year. It’s 2012 EFI. Still runs and rides like new. But, I was mechanic for 40 plus years and know what to look for.

Bottom line to each his own!

[Topspinmo]

A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.


Electric cars 20 MPH? I got passed by parcar LSV going 38 MPH down BV. When I rented had electric Star cart that had high and low switch on dash. The low side 20MPH max, the high side 30MPH plus. Either electric or gas can be made to run well over 20 MPH.

If I take governor out of my Yamaha gas it will top out about 38 MPH with engine rpm maxed out.

[SHIBUMI]

The number one priority is comfortable seats. ElTigre the best they will save your as......


A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.

[KennyP]

You've changed alot of parts that shouldnt have been changed in that short a period of time. Id find a new mechanic.

[KennyP]

I had CC DS, 2005. I had different view, the front end was cheap hit anything and bend something, bushing worn creating steering wheel wobble. Had corrosion problems, spot on garage floor, battery cables inside corrosion. Smell when charging, Brakes dust problems, had to remove drums clean out grit. Then there was the 4 year old batteries that starting to loose amps. I will admit I had no clue how precious owner took care of it. I guessing he done little and most likely over filled batteries creating the corrosion problems? I had pretty much fixed everything except the weak batteries.

It came with house I brought and was fine for running about neighborhood in my district. But running all day all over the villages was taking chance.

Now the ride, seats was uncomfortable. Suspension was ridged. I didn’t want the expense of batteries and fighting corrosion. So I sold it and brought 13,995 list price Yamaha village read gas cart 2 years old for 7500. With my 2500 sale of the CC got about 5 grand into it. It has 18K miles on it. I have replaced start battery twice, tires, belts twice, spark plug twice, secondary clutch, tie rod ends, and changed oil twice year. It’s 2012 EFI. Still runs and rides like new. But, I was mechanic for 40 plus years and know what to look for.

Bottom line to each his own!


You've changed alot of parts in a short time frame- Id find a new mechanic

[jimjamuser]

That wont make them quieter
And DARE I ASK..........why not?

[jimjamuser]

A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.
About #2........You have to compare the cost of replacing the batteries in a E-golf cart with a gas engine overall in a gas cart because the electric motor almost never goes bad. Plus one type of golf cart is bad for the environment and the other is good for the environment. BIG difference!

[MINKROCH]

Look into Villages Discount Golf! Many used and reconditioned carts with warranty, as well as new carts.

Customization of your cart is also available.

[kkingston57]

Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

If you are tall be careful. Yamaha does have a taller roof. I am 6'2 and have to duck when getting in and out of a non Yamaha cart. Pay close to seats especially if you use it mostly for golf. Most custom seats do not have a side bar. Look for a seat which has contours in it. On a side hill, a person can slide out of the cart. Regarding used vs new. For a saving of $2-3K not worth the savings(my opinion). Lastly these carts are very reliable and there are a lot of mobile cart mechanics in TV.

[kkingston57]

Your overthinking it. Just go to Villages golf cart. they have a warranty and they will service it.

They will do repairs on carts purchased elsewhere. Had to replace the plastic part/floor which holds the golf clubs in my Yamaha. They wanted over $220 and Country Power laughed and charged me $80 for same job. Also bought cart from them 2K less. The Villages does offer loaners and they are convenient. Cart going strong with 0 repairs in 3 years. Convenient and expensive service is not worth 2K.

[kkingston57]

Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!

Cars are liquid cooled which helps keep the noise down.

[jimjamuser]

Cars are liquid-cooled which helps keep the noise down.
The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

[JoMar]

The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

Unless DUI or an accident, almost no enforcement.

[BrianL99]

Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.

In the USA electric golf carts represent over 85% of the new cart market and dwindling.

Yet in TV, the debate goes on, like it's 1975 ... which was about the time they added steering wheels to golf carts. The last major improvement to gasoline carts.

Golf Cart Market Size & Industry Share Analysis | 2023-2032 (https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/golf-cart-market)

Electric Vs. Gasoline Golf Carts: Detailed Comparison (https://thinkgolfer.com/golf-carts/electric-vs-gasoline-golf-carts/#us-golf-carts-market-2022-2023)

[kkingston57]

The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

Used the word "helps" regarding noise. Had a VW bug also.

[margaretmattson]

Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.

In the USA electric golf carts represent over 85% of the new cart market and dwindling.

Yet in TV, the debate goes on, like it's 1975 ... which was about the time they added steering wheels to golf carts. The last major improvement to gasoline carts.

Golf Cart Market Size & Industry Share Analysis | 2023-2032 (https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/golf-cart-market)

Electric Vs. Gasoline Golf Carts: Detailed Comparison (https://thinkgolfer.com/golf-carts/electric-vs-gasoline-golf-carts/#us-golf-carts-market-2022-2023)Many here still prefer gas carts because they have seen or read about EV cart homes burning down. They take into account the cost of a new battery and the disposal. Also, the purchase price of an EV is much higher than a gas model in TV.

We are at a certain age where we consider our longevity. Is it really wise to purchase a $23,000 EV cart if you are 70 yrs old or above? We could care less what the younger generations buy. We no longer have a need to be part of the "new and improved" crowd. We are pleased to wake up and to live another day. At our age, it doesn't get much better than that.

[Papa_lecki]

Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.


Most other residential communities don’t have the gasoline infrastructure the Village has

Country Clubs use electric vs gas for operational reasons. It’s easier to plug in all the carts than fill one at time up with gasoline. Plus arranging delivery of gasoline would interfere with operations.

[BrianL99]

Country Clubs use electric vs gas for operational reasons. It’s easier to plug in all the carts than fill one at time up with gasoline. Plus arranging delivery of gasoline would interfere with operations.

That's why everyone uses them, except some Villagers ... operational reasons.

That and most people refuse to use them, rent them own them. It's like buying a brand new, 1970 Chevy Impala. Automatic transmission & AM radio ... all the new features!

Was told by a reputable source, that 90% of Yamaha's gasoline golf cart production in the USA, goes to TV. No one else wants them.

[clouwho]

Yamahas are a great cart the quiet motor (gas) great ride , just ancient styling , a new body is waaaay past needed.

Something else to consider is ergonomics (because we inhabit older, aging bodies!).
The steering column/wheel on the yamaha carts is off center from the center of the drivers seat.
If you use your cart a lot you are going to be putting your spine, hips, legs off-kilter while in the cart.
This was the dealbreaker for me (combined with noise and fumes from gas carts).
We bought older EZGO RXV with all the comfy bells and whistle very cheap. Husband upgraded batteries. Still way below cost of new or even recent models of electric of gas carts. We have a very good range on the cart after three years of heavy usage as transportation and on courses.
EZGO steering column is centered on drivers seat. My back, hips knees are grateful. Good luck!

[Papa_lecki]

That's why everyone uses them, except some Villagers ... operational reasons.

That and most people refuse to use them, rent them own them. It's like buying a brand new, 1970 Chevy Impala. Automatic transmission & AM radio ... all the new features!

Was told by a reputable source, that 90% of Yamaha's gasoline golf cart production in the USA, goes to TV. No one else wants them.

Yes,
Look at gas stations.
On Top of the World (or another community) may have 10,000 homes, or maybe 5,000 to 7,000 golf carts.
Whereas Villages has 50,000/60,000/70,000 golf carts - 10x as many. There are more golf cars to support a gas station within the golf car cart paths.
This article says Villages has 65,000, and the 2nd largest in GA has 12,000

The 5 Biggest Golf Cart Communities in the U.S.! - Bright EV (https://brightev.com/the-5-biggest-golf-cart-communities-in-the-u-s/)


It took me no time to find this business that drives students around Alabama, operating gas golf carts

About | Bama Ride (https://www.bamaride.com/about)

Think of a high end country club.
They get gas delivered to their maintenance facilities (for mowers, etc); but that is often hidden from members - the delivery truck can come any time.
Imagine a gas truck coming to a private club at 11:30 AM, when the members are fully utilizing the club, not going to work. Then think of the kids working in the cart barn, want them filling up 100 golf cars or plugging them in at night?

[tophcfa]

Something else to consider is ergonomics (because we inhabit older, aging bodies!).
The steering column/wheel on the yamaha carts is off center from the center of the drivers seat.
If you use your cart a lot you are going to be putting your spine, hips, legs off-kilter while in the cart!

I highly question the above observation as we own two Yamahas and have driven them thousands of miles without noticing an ergonomic misalignment. That being said, adding aftermarket bucket seats, that are not a Yamaha product, could certainly cause the described issue. We have aftermarket seats, but they are bench style seats so we aren’t shoehorned into a seating position like with bucket seats. Definitely something to think about when considering aftermarket seats.

[BrianL99]

Think of a high end country club.
They get gas delivered to their maintenance facilities (for mowers, etc); but that is often hidden from members - the delivery truck can come any time.
Imagine a gas truck coming to a private club at 11:30 AM, when the members are fully utilizing the club, not going to work. Then think of the kids working in the cart barn, want them filling up 100 golf cars or plugging them in at night?

You obviously don't know much about how Country Clubs operate nor Golf Carts.

Gas carts are way more "convenient" for clubs, which is why TV uses them. In the real world, customers hate them.

[Bilyclub]

Was at Harbor Hills and their fully charged cart barely made it back after 18 holes.

[GoingSouth]

Although I have not arrived at TV, I am feeling the “community” through the thoughtful responses to my dilemma. Even the “you’re overthinking” replies were appreciated. Three copies are at the framers and being sent to ex-wives who often associated my thinking with “not” or “what were you”.
There was not much support for buying used privately so I am leaning towards gas, Yamaha (recent) from a dealer in TV who will warranty and service.

Thank you all for the time spent on helping me.

GB



Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

[KennyP]

Was at Harbor Hills and their fully charged cart barely made it back after 18 holes.

Thats not the carts fault....Thats the courses fault..

[Topspinmo]

Yes instead of scaring people away from electric golf carts, there should be a rule to ONLY allow electric in The Villages. Oh, I forgot......that would be progressive and we would NEVER want that. Never be at the forefront of progress.

Well, don’t make the rules. And that’s good thing. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Topspinmo]

When we moved here, we rented a house that came with an electric cart that would go 27mph! I've seen other posters claim electric aren't as fast as gas. Simply untrue. The bad news is I'm also one of the unlucky few who've been caught driving an unregistered electric cart and been forced to make the mandatory court appearance in Bushnell.

Guess they don’t put speedometer on electric carts?:wave:

[Topspinmo]

You've changed alot of parts in a short time frame- Id find a new mechanic


Like you, no thanks.

[Topspinmo]

Be careful buying used gas if it isn’t a Yamaha QT2 - the older gas carts are quite noxious - never back it in lest you pollute the entire garage and even the house. The people you pass will hate you too.

Yamaha has been making fuel injected engines since 2012 1/2. Agree any carburetors on any cart will smell due to cold starting.

[Bilyclub]

Thats not the carts fault....Thats the courses fault..

It was a outing that began at 8 in the morning. I'm sure they had all the carts charging overnight, so yeah, it was the carts fault. Now if you're saying that their carts were old and needed replacement it would be on the Harbor Hills.

[Freehiker]

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

I got mine there as well. I didn’t want to wait 6+ months that TV store was quoting me, plus I saved a few bucks.

[boxcarwilly]

You're over thinking it. Buy whatever decent used cart you find, use it for a while, then decide. They're cheap to buy and easy to sell.
Over thinking can minimize over spending.:posting:

[UpNorth]

Was at Harbor Hills and their fully charged cart barely made it back after 18 holes.

I've seen several dead gas carts left out on golf courses over the years. They are not immune to dying for a variety of reasons.

[KennyP]

It was a outing that began at 8 in the morning. I'm sure they had all the carts charging overnight, so yeah, it was the carts fault. Now if you're saying that their carts were old and needed replacement it would be on the Harbor Hills. is

what im saying is if the course took car of the carts better, that would not happen, so its on the course.

[dhdallas]

Lithium batteries are expensive to buy then real expensive to replace, which I’ve heard up to $4000 for the higher capacity version, which you will have to replace every 5-8 years. People have posted that the older the batteries get, the mileage range per charge starts to shrink.
Get the newest Yamaha drive2 gas golf cart you can afford. The newer Yamahas have better features, quieter, etc than just a couple of yeas old model. If you buy used, get the 24/7 cart breakdown insurance, and then every year after get it renewed. A new cart usually comes with that kind of insurance, ours did

Beware of advice from those who have never owned an electric cart. New battery replacement is nowhere near $4k. I recently converted my lead acid battery cart to Lithium Iron Phosphate or LiFePO4 batteries for less than $1200. LiFePO4 batteries differ from the more common Lithium Ion Cobalt in that they are safer, can be recharged hundreds of more times, and the power does not drop off as you run your cart. They will need replacement eventually BUT you will save that money spent in replacing them in that electric carts are essentially maintenance free and have so few parts that they rarely (if ever) break down.

Think of all the belts, hoses, and filters on a gas engine. Fuel injectors, spark plugs, exhaust systems to replace. Oil changes and tuneups. I have seen many many gas carts broken down along the trails but have yet to see an electric one waiting on a tow. Then there is having to go to the gas station to refuel or storing smelly gas in the garage. My neighbors cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and you can still smell it a year later (and it stained their floor).

My cart will run all day with juice leftover and all I do at the end of the day is plug it in and its ready to go for the next day. The batteries are so lightweight that my cart picked up 2 mph after replacing the original heavy batteries & the cart is way lighter than a gas cart. I would never buy a smelly, noisy, polluting high-maintenance gas cart in this day and age. Electric carts are the future and you will save a bundle in the long run. The photo below is of my electric 1999 Club Car DS which runs like a new cart (if not better) even at almost 25 years of age!
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/dhdallas-118996/albums/1999-club-car-electic/10055-1999-electric-club-car.jpg

[Topspinmo]

I've seen several dead gas carts left out on golf courses over the years. They are not immune to dying for a variety of reasons.

Probably the golfers.

[MorTech]

Only gas cart I would recommend is the Yamaha Quietech.

Many choices for electric but consider the Atlas 210ah cart...90 miles of tranquil range. Serenity with zero maintenance is key!

I built my own 150ah lithium battery pack ($2000) for an older $6000 AC motor cart but I would not recommend building your own without an extensive STEM background.

[mntlblok]

Beware of advice from those who have never owned an electric cart. New battery replacement is nowhere near $4k. I recently converted my lead acid battery cart to Lithium Iron Phosphate or LiFePO4 batteries for less than $1200. LiFePO4 batteries differ from the more common Lithium Ion Cobalt in that they are safer, can be recharged hundreds of more times, and the power does not drop off as you run your cart. They will need replacement eventually BUT you will save that money spent in replacing them in that electric carts are essentially maintenance free and have so few parts that they rarely (if ever) break down.

Think of all the belts, hoses, and filters on a gas engine. Fuel injectors, spark plugs, exhaust systems to replace. Oil changes and tuneups. I have seen many many gas carts broken down along the trails but have yet to see an electric one waiting on a tow. Then there is having to go to the gas station to refuel or storing smelly gas in the garage. My neighbors cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and you can still smell it a year later (and it stained their floor).

My cart will run all day with juice leftover and all I do at the end of the day is plug it in and its ready to go for the next day. The batteries are so lightweight that my cart picked up 2 mph after replacing the original heavy batteries & the cart is way lighter than a gas cart. I would never buy a smelly, noisy, polluting high-maintenance gas cart in this day and age. Electric carts are the future and you will save a bundle in the long run. The photo below is of my electric 1999 Club Car DS which runs like a new cart (if not better) even at almost 25 years of age!
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/dhdallas-118996/albums/1999-club-car-electic/10055-1999-electric-club-car.jpg

Dang. That sure sent me googling right quick. Lithium-ion batteries vs lithium-iron-phosphate batteries: which is better? | HERE (https://www.here.com/learn/blog/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-iron-phosphate) Not gonna hurt my head by trying to figure out the differences between "power density" and "energy density".

But, if I read that article correctly, it doesn't seem to quite agree with some of your points. But, my understanding of *any* aspect of electromagnetism shall always remain limited.

*Did* note that "ion" and "iron" look really similar, and that LiFe looks a lot like "life". Took me a minute to realize that the "Fe" part refers to iron. :-)

[mntlblok]

Only gas cart I would recommend is the Yamaha Quietech.

Many choices for electric but consider the Atlas 210ah cart...90 miles of tranquil range. Serenity with zero maintenance is key!

I built my own 150ah lithium battery pack ($2000) for an older $6000 AC motor cart but I would not recommend building your own without an extensive STEM background.

Thinkin there must be a mighty large range of STEM backgrounds. Bet there's plenty of "extensive" ones that *still* wouldn't allow one to pull off something like that. :-) Impressive - at least to *me*.

[MorTech]

With any STEM background, one would be able to figure it out...Math / Physics / Chemistry are basis of STEM. STEM enables the ability to figure out physical reality.

That article posted above is just plain wrong..Try these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZL8RF3thI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptLhpK6Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1psMHSpKs

LFP chemistry is more stable than tirnary chemistry...especially NCA.

[mntlblok]

With any STEM background, one would be able to figure it out...Math / Physics / Chemistry are basis of STEM. STEM enables the ability to figure out physical reality.

That article posted above is just plain wrong..Try these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZL8RF3thI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptLhpK6Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1psMHSpKs

LFP chemistry is more stable than tirnary chemistry...especially NCA.

Guess I'd need "any" defined. :-) My STEM background as compared to that of an electrical engineer would be orders of magnitude smaller. My STEM background as compared to the average guy on the street is probably quite a bit greater. Kinda leaves me in a sort of "limbo" zone, I guess.

I nibbled around the edges of your first two listed videos. Looks like "LFP" is the same creature as the aforementioned "LiFe". Had been unaware of the sodium version. Did watch the third video listed to completion. Fascinating stuff, but it still hurts my head too much to competently "figure it out". Could just be laziness, could just be lack of brain power. Although, the "crashing of the wave" analogy definitely helped with what I've previously read about how much actual "movement" of electrons there is within currents.

Guess I'll continue to stick to my "history" of science hobby rather than the real thing. *Did* just learn about how humanity just missed out on possibly avoiding the major portion of the nuclear arms race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmgFG7PUHfo And, didja know that Ben Franklin came up with the term "battery" based on the arrangement of his batch of Leyden jars? :-)

[mntlblok]

With any STEM background, one would be able to figure it out...Math / Physics / Chemistry are basis of STEM. STEM enables the ability to figure out physical reality.

That article posted above is just plain wrong..Try these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZL8RF3thI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptLhpK6Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1psMHSpKs

LFP chemistry is more stable than tirnary chemistry...especially NCA.
Would you consider this video to be accurate? TIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jTTpyCwQFw

[JMintzer]

Since we're still part timers, I couldn't see spending all that money on a new cart, just to have it sit in my garage.

I found a very clean, 2013 Yamaha (originally from Carts & Clubs) and it served us well for two years. Willie's serviced it once during that time (the tech assured us that it was in great shape)...

But, the noise level and the suspension issues (the older ones have a much rougher ride) got the better of me, so we sold that cart (for only $500 less than I paid for it) this summer, I bought a 2017 QuieTech, loaded with El Tigre seats, LED running lights, seat belts and the nicer hard valance rain curtains...

Once again, I had Willie's service it and we're good to go... The noise level is MUCH less and the ride is VASTLY superior!

I figure that when we do become full timers (looks like that'll be in about 18 months), I'll find a newer cart and either sell the 2017 or keep it as a 2nd cart...

I doubt you'll be able to find a tech who will accompany you to look at carts. Just try to find a cart where the owner has service records...

[Topspinmo]

The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

So, I take it you don’t own Harley?

Gasoline engine only noisy while under load. It’s only illegal if you go over 20 or 25 MPH for LSVs. Why they have speedometer’s on them. Lots of electric carts souped up also exceed 20 or 25 MPH. Every LSV I seen going going down BV or MB exceed 25 MPH limit.

[KennyP]

The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

Going faster does not make them louder. Gas carts are made to go fast by changing of the gears, so engine RPM is the same as when the motor is stock as used on a golf course. The motors are not spinning more RPM like a dragster

[Bilyclub]

Going faster does not make them louder. Gas carts are made to go fast by changing of the gears, so engine RPM is the same as when the motor is stock as used on a golf course. The motors are not spinning more RPM like a dragster

Can't argue with someone who continues to post nonsense. Most posters have him blocked and only see his posts when quoted.

[Southwest737]

[QUOTE=mrf0151;2268838]Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
It has never been in the shop for maintenance. No belts to get loose or break. No starter gen to go bad. No smell. Quick quiet and efficient. Yes. Oil changes? Nope.
One cent of electricity per mile of operation. Gas is around 4 or 5 cents. When you add it up electric is the proven low maintenance, lower cost way to go in golf carts.

[MrChip72]

Since we're still part timers, I couldn't see spending all that money on a new cart, just to have it sit in my garage.

I found a very clean, 2013 Yamaha (originally from Carts & Clubs) and it served us well for two years. Willie's serviced it once during that time (the tech assured us that it was in great shape)...

But, the noise level and the suspension issues (the older ones have a much rougher ride) got the better of me, so we sold that cart (for only $500 less than I paid for it) this summer

We bought a fully loaded 7 year old Yamaha cart as our first cart for under $7000. The couple we bought it from didn't golf at all and used their car primarily so it had very low hours.

What we came to realize though when checking out what a new or refurbished cart would cost is how much the add-ons are. Every little thing adds up. I think the add-ons to our cart probably cost the original owner an extra $2000 on top of the price of the cart.

We're going to be upgrading to the QuieTech at some point in the next two years and expect to get almost the same amount we paid when we resell our current one.

[cjrjck]

Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.

In the USA electric golf carts represent over 85% of the new cart market and dwindling.

Yet in TV, the debate goes on, like it's 1975 ... which was about the time they added steering wheels to golf carts. The last major improvement to gasoline carts.

Golf Cart Market Size & Industry Share Analysis | 2023-2032 (https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/golf-cart-market)

Electric Vs. Gasoline Golf Carts: Detailed Comparison (https://thinkgolfer.com/golf-carts/electric-vs-gasoline-golf-carts/#us-golf-carts-market-2022-2023)

You seem to forget that there are few places like TV where a golf cart is often used as the primary vehicle for day-to-day tasks by tens of thousands of people and there are golf cart paths that are connected for 20 plus miles, making a 40 mile round trip in one day feasible. That is why the gas golf cart still reigns supreme here.

[flatbill]

I have a 2014 gas yamaha, bought used (refurbed). It has been a great cart. But it is stinkier and noisier than my new lithium cart. If ya don't care about the stink and noise, and range anxiety is real to you, then get a gas yamaha like most of the villagers. My new electric plugs into the garage and saves me trips to the gas station, which also saves me on soft drinks and lotto tickets.

[PoolBrews]

As an option, check out Botero Golf Carts in Ocala. They just opened a new location on September 8th. They have locations in North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona and have nothing but 5 star reviews online. They carry Evolution golf carts, and unlike Villages Discount Golf Cars (who recently dropped Evolution), they actually know how to work on these carts. You can get a loaded lithium cart for $8k-$10K less than a comparable Yamaha , Club Car, or Star.

I just bought a D5 Ranger - comes with great seats (comparable to my Yamaha), auto-cancelling turn signals, led lights, built in speaker, 4 forward facing seats, back up camera, and adjustable steering column (I'm sure I'm missing several features). All this for MSRP of $11,995. This includes a 110ah lithium battery with a range of 30-40 miles. For another $2K, you can move to the 205ah with a range of 70-80 miles.

[bopat]

We got ours from Villages Discount Golf Car.
It's got a good warranty.
We got a good price.
Sales were very friendly and helpful, no pressure.
One issue we had with the self-cancelling turn signals, they came out the next day and fixed it. They have a really good crew there too!

Very happy with our purchase! Highly recommend checking them out!