Pulse

[dewilson58]

Not sure if public funds should be spent on a monument or not.........sounds like $6mil went to One Pulse Foundation (OPF) & $2mil to purchase the Pulse site.

What I find interesting is the millions of dollars of compensation went to OPF officers over the years and now OPF decided not the build a monument.

& no one is screaming.

Their Form 990 is public information disclosing the compensation.

:22yikes::22yikes:

[golfing eagles]

Not sure if public funds should be spent on a monument or not.........sounds like $6mil went to One Pulse Foundation (OPF) & $2mil to purchase the Pulse site.

What I find interesting is the millions of dollars of compensation went to OPF officers over the years and now OPF decided not the build a monument.

& no one is screaming.

Their Form 990 is public information disclosing the compensation.

:22yikes::22yikes:

I'm not sure public funds should be used either. But I have another pet peeve about how this monument is being described. While this mass shooting was a tragedy, I'm not sure that a monument should be erected to "honor" the victims. Honor the firefighters who rushed into the WTC on 9/11 and died. Honor the thousands that died on the beaches of Normandy defending our country. But "honor" people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What "honorable" thing did they do? I think "remember" or "memorialize" are much better terms for these victims.

[Taltarzac725]

It is funds probably from Orlando area taxpayers.

[golfing eagles]

It is funds probably from Orlando area taxpayers.

And in turn Orlando probably receives federal $$$$ at some level. Plus, I'm not sure how parents from Wyoming who bring their kids to see the mouse would feel about part of their admission going for a Pulse Nightclub memorial/museum. BTW--just what would be put on display in such a museum???? A bottle of scotch? Some beer mugs??? Spent cartridges??? More likely pictures and biographies of the victims being "honored". I think a monument of some sort is more appropriate.

[Bill14564]

Not sure if public funds should be spent on a monument or not.........sounds like $6mil went to One Pulse Foundation (OPF) & $2mil to purchase the Pulse site.

What I find interesting is the millions of dollars of compensation went to OPF officers over the years and now OPF decided not the build a monument.

& no one is screaming.

Their Form 990 is public information disclosing the compensation.

:22yikes::22yikes:

Truly a shame. The public money appears to have been from the tourism tax. While that didn't come from Orlando's citizens, it certainly wasn't used *for* Orlando's citizens either. I feel equally bad for the private donors who expected their contributions to go for something more than the salaries of the officers.

[blueash]

I am not amazed that people attack something being done when the victims were not just like you. Any problem with public dollars spent at the World Trade Center honoring the victims who just happened to be at the wrong place of work that morning?

The National 9/11 Memorial Museum is located within the archaeological heart of the original WTC site. The Museum serves as the country’s principal institution concerned with exploring the historic implications of that tragic date, through state-of-the-art multimedia exhibits, archives and monumental artifacts. Paying reverent homage to the nearly 3,000 victims of the attacks,

How about the Memorial at the Oklahoma City site where a domestic terrorist hoping to inspire the overthrow of the government killed people who just were in the wrong place.

Lots of Federal, State and Local dollars spent at those sites, and so many more. No complaints from you about that? Oh, most of those victims weren't gay.

[golfing eagles]

I am not amazed that people attack something being done when the victims were not just like you. Any problem with public dollars spent at the World Trade Center honoring the victims who just happened to be at the wrong place of work that morning?



How about the Memorial at the Oklahoma City site where a domestic terrorist hoping to inspire the overthrow of the government killed people who just were in the wrong place.

Lots of Federal, State and Local dollars spent at those sites, and so many more. No complaints from you about that? Oh, most of those victims weren't gay.

I'd say the same thing about all those tragedies. Remember the victims. Memorialize them. But the term "honor" should be reserved for those that did something proactive to help. Honor the firefighters that laid down their lives that day to help others and remember those that simply showed up for work that day. I realize it is a semantic difference, but also an important one. And I say this having lost 2 high school classmates that day, as well as having had my son in the air when all flights were grounded.

As far as public funds go, I stated I'm undecided. Either way I don't think it's a big issue. As far as Pulse goes, I didn't see anyone post that the clientele was gay, maybe I missed that, or maybe somebody jumps to conclusions.

[Stu from NYC]

I'd say the same thing about all those tragedies. Remember the victims. Memorialize them. But the term "honor" should be reserved for those that did something proactive to help. Honor the firefighters that laid down their lives that day to help others and remember those that simply showed up for work that day. I realize it is a semantic difference, but also an important one. And I say this having lost 2 high school classmates that day, as well as having had my son in the air when all flights were grounded.

As far as public funds go, I stated I'm undecided. Either way I don't think it's a big issue. As far as Pulse goes, I didn't see anyone post that the clientele was gay, maybe I missed that, or maybe somebody jumps to conclusions.

Agreed

[Bill14564]

I am not amazed that people attack something being done when the victims were not just like you. Any problem with public dollars spent at the World Trade Center honoring the victims who just happened to be at the wrong place of work that morning?



How about the Memorial at the Oklahoma City site where a domestic terrorist hoping to inspire the overthrow of the government killed people who just were in the wrong place.

Lots of Federal, State and Local dollars spent at those sites, and so many more. No complaints from you about that? Oh, most of those victims weren't gay.

Way off base with this comment. The problem that was pointed out was that a lot of money was collected and a lot of money was spent but there is no monument or museum to show for it.

The city will own two pieces of property: the land where the museum was to be built and the building where the shooting occurred.

The owner of the nightclub will have $2M if she sells the property plus over half a million in salary from her time with the OPF.

The families of the victims have plans and promises but no memorial.

[Dusty_Star]

Way off base with this comment. The problem that was pointed out was that a lot of money was collected and a lot of money was spent but there is no monument or museum to show for it.

The city will own two pieces of property: the land where the museum was to be built and the building where the shooting occurred.

The owner of the nightclub will have $2M if she sells the property plus over half a million in salary from her time with the OPF.

The families of the victims have plans and promises but no memorial.

Looks to me as if the owners got their 2 million, it closed yesterday.

[Bill14564]

Looks to me as if the owners got their 2 million, it closed yesterday.

Probably right. I couldn't figure out if the sale had actually closed yesterday or if the city had approved the $2M yesterday.

[golfing eagles]

Probably right. I couldn't figure out if the sale had actually closed yesterday or if the city had approved the $2M yesterday.

Wasn't it the owners that were the roadblock to this project going foward?

[blueash]

Big time bull being shoveled here. The complaint in the OP is very clear. Read it, the first sentence


Pulse
Not sure if public funds should be spent on a monument or not

and reply

I'm not sure public funds should be used either.

then

It is funds probably from Orlando area taxpayers


Truly a shame. The public money appears to have been from the tourism tax. While that didn't come from Orlando's citizens, it certainly wasn't used *for* Orlando's citizens either.
then I point out nobody here complained about public funding of other memorials, you have the audacity to object. The OP and others mentioned an issue with whether it has or has not been built, but his observation very clearly is that public funding was provided.

The larger project has for now failed as the land owner did not sell the property to the city and instead wanted to go forward with their own plans but ultimately were unable to raise enough private funding to build the hoped for museum. It is complicated.

What is not complicated is that public funding was provided as seed money for the project the completion of which required much larger infusion of private money. That didn't happen.

As for honor vs memorialize. Point made that memorialize is more specific, but use of the word honor is entirely appropriate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ways_people_honor_the_dead)

[oldtimes]

Big time bull being shoveled here. The complaint in the OP is very clear. Read it, the first sentence



and reply



then




then I point out nobody here complained about public funding of other memorials, you have the audacity to object. The OP and others mentioned an issue with whether it has or has not been built, but his observation very clearly is that public funding was provided.

The larger project has for now failed as the land owner did not sell the property to the city and instead wanted to go forward with their own plans but ultimately were unable to raise enough private funding to build the hoped for museum. It is complicated.

What is not complicated is that public funding was provided as seed money for the project the completion of which required much larger infusion of private money. That didn't happen.

As for honor vs memorialize. Point made that memorialize is more specific, but use of the word honor is entirely appropriate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ways_people_honor_the_dead)

It happens all too often. 18 people just got shot in Maine. Should we build a museum there too? Where is the cutoff? The World Trade Center were First Responders who went into that building with a good idea they were going to die.

[Dusty_Star]

I'd say the same thing about all those tragedies. Remember the victims. Memorialize them. But the term "honor" should be reserved for those that did something proactive to help. Honor the firefighters that laid down their lives that day to help others and remember those that simply showed up for work that day. I realize it is a semantic difference, but also an important one. And I say this having lost 2 high school classmates that day, as well as having had my son in the air when all flights were grounded.


I was scheduled to be near the WTC that day. Was your son rerouted to Gander? I have heard such wonderful stories of the generosity & warmth of New Foundlanders in our hour of need.

[Topspinmo]

Funds raiser’s are like foundations. Somebody’s going to get rich or somebody going to stay rich. The millions raise to first fund the Pulse memorial should be confiscated and used what it was intended for, not make few rich.

[Bill14564]

Big time bull being shoveled here. The complaint in the OP is very clear. Read it, the first sentence



and reply



then




then I point out nobody here complained about public funding of other memorials, you have the audacity to object. The OP and others mentioned an issue with whether it has or has not been built, but his observation very clearly is that public funding was provided.

The larger project has for now failed as the land owner did not sell the property to the city and instead wanted to go forward with their own plans but ultimately were unable to raise enough private funding to build the hoped for museum. It is complicated.

What is not complicated is that public funding was provided as seed money for the project the completion of which required much larger infusion of private money. That didn't happen.

As for honor vs memorialize. Point made that memorialize is more specific, but use of the word honor is entirely appropriate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ways_people_honor_the_dead)

You need to read past the first line to understand the post. Heck, I needed to read to the end of your post to be sure you were really accusing me of being homophobic.

Many are not sure that public funds should be used... for this, for Oklahoma City, or for WTC. But that was not the point of the posts. The point was that funds, both public and private, were used and salaries paid with no museum and no memorial.

[Sabella]

Not sure if public funds should be spent on a monument or not.........sounds like $6mil went to One Pulse Foundation (OPF) & $2mil to purchase the Pulse site.

What I find interesting is the millions of dollars of compensation went to OPF officers over the years and now OPF decided not the build a monument.

& no one is screaming.

Their Form 990 is public information disclosing the compensation.

:22yikes::22yikes:

Let’s not forget the extremely large amount of money that went to the victims families. A lot of the victims and their families that received money were in this country illegally? Remember, when a tragedy would happen -the whole nation had sympathy for the victims and their family, and we took a proper amount of time, and we prayed, and we mourned , and then we moved on seems like when we have a major tragedy these days we have to relive it forever.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Agreed

Agree as well.

2023 Word association: VIRTUE signaling using single words.

[shut the front door]

I'd say the same thing about all those tragedies. Remember the victims. Memorialize them. But the term "honor" should be reserved for those that did something proactive to help. Honor the firefighters that laid down their lives that day to help others and remember those that simply showed up for work that day. I realize it is a semantic difference, but also an important one. And I say this having lost 2 high school classmates that day, as well as having had my son in the air when all flights were grounded.

As far as public funds go, I stated I'm undecided. Either way I don't think it's a big issue. As far as Pulse goes, I didn't see anyone post that the clientele was gay, maybe I missed that, or maybe somebody jumps to conclusions.

Just like the media and certain segments of the population jumped to conclusions calling it a "hate crime" targeting gays. The shooter didn't even know it was a gay bar. Shortly before the incident, he googled "crowded bars near me".

[dewilson58]

Big time bull being shoveled here. The complaint in the OP is very clear. Read it, the first sentence

and reply

then

then I point out nobody here complained about public funding of other memorials, you have the audacity to object. The OP and others mentioned an issue with whether it has or has not been built, but his observation very clearly is that public funding was provided.

Blue, you are 100% wrong.
"Very clear"...............selecting words, cut & paste.........you totally missed the point and no one is buying it.

Let me help you:
Millions collected, Millions went out in compensation to officers for part-time work, now they decide not to do the memorial.
People who contributed (directly or indirectly) should be screaming.

:ho:

[Sandy and Ed]

I'm not sure public funds should be used either. But I have another pet peeve about how this monument is being described. While this mass shooting was a tragedy, I'm not sure that a monument should be erected to "honor" the victims. Honor the firefighters who rushed into the WTC on 9/11 and died. Honor the thousands that died on the beaches of Normandy defending our country. But "honor" people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What "honorable" thing did they do? I think "remember" or "memorialize" are much better terms for these victims.
AMEN. Could not add anything to your statement!!!!

[Blueblaze]

Personally, I find all the groveling and whining disgusting. Every time I pick up the mail, the flag at the post office seems continuously at half-mast. Why has my country become such a nation sissies and whiners? Instead of creating monuments of teddy bears for the enjoyment of the lunatic killers -- monuments that nobody visits but everyone is forced to pay for -- I have a better idea.

Just once, I'd like to see my nation man-up and do something about all the lunatic killers we allow to run loose, beyond blaming every law abiding American who owns a gun safe.

We didn't seem to have this problem when I was a kid and we kept the lunatics in asylums and the killers in jail. How about we try that again?

[Wondering]

U gotta get a life!

[GATORBILL66]

I am glad I moved out of Orlando as I would not my money going to something like that.

[Bill14564]

I am glad I moved out of Orlando as I would not my money going to something like that.

Interesting. Since the public money that went to something like that came from the tourism dollars collected from hotels, BECAUSE you moved out of Orlando you are more likely to have contributed to it.

[FredJacobs]

I'm not sure public funds should be used either. But I have another pet peeve about how this monument is being described. While this mass shooting was a tragedy, I'm not sure that a monument should be erected to "honor" the victims. Honor the firefighters who rushed into the WTC on 9/11 and died. Honor the thousands that died on the beaches of Normandy defending our country. But "honor" people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What "honorable" thing did they do? I think "remember" or "memorialize" are much better terms for these victims.

I am 100% in agreement with you. I couldn't understand why the almost 3,000 victims were called "martyrs." Certainly those who ran in to the buildings could be called martyrs, but the people who worked there - I don't think so.

Two years later, my wife and I were walking along Omaha Beach in Normandy. All of a sudden, I was overcome with great emotion and started to weep. My wife asked what was going on. Through tears I exclaimed, "this is the place where American martyrs died."

We then proceeded to the American Cemetery where I placed a stone on as many crosses and stars as I could. My tradition is that placing a stone on a head or foot stone, let's the world know that someone visited this grave.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Let’s not forget the extremely large amount of money that went to the victims families. A lot of the victims and their families that received money were in this country illegally? Remember, when a tragedy would happen -the whole nation had sympathy for the victims and their family, and we took a proper amount of time, and we prayed, and we mourned , and then we moved on seems like when we have a major tragedy these days we have to relive it forever.

Well gee, if these "tragedies" didn't keep happening over and over again, maybe we wouldn't have to keep reliving them.

They're not tragedies. It wasn't an unfortunate accident. It was an atrocious, hideous, hateful, intentional act of violence. And it keeps happening. Everyone who was affected directly by one of these incidents, lives with the risk of a new incident triggering the emotional turmoil they experienced the first time around.

So maybe if we could come up with solutions for a) stopping these incidents OR b) reducing the risk of them happening, then maybe there'd be fewer of them, and no one would have to relive anything at all.

We'll keep bringing it up, until we stop it from happening again.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Personally, I find all the groveling and whining disgusting. Every time I pick up the mail, the flag at the post office seems continuously at half-mast. Why has my country become such a nation sissies and whiners? Instead of creating monuments of teddy bears for the enjoyment of the lunatic killers -- monuments that nobody visits but everyone is forced to pay for -- I have a better idea.

Just once, I'd like to see my nation man-up and do something about all the lunatic killers we allow to run loose, beyond blaming every law abiding American who owns a gun safe.

We didn't seem to have this problem when I was a kid and we kept the lunatics in asylums and the killers in jail. How about we try that again?

I don't know about the rest of the country but -this- state, Florida, appears to have low standards regarding bail. Aggravated assault? $500 bond and you're out free to terrorize your wife again. Grand theft? Just have your bail bondsman put up $100 of the $1000 bond and you can scope out the new golf cart at Nancy's house with the key in the ignition because she's forgetful. Robbed a gas station? Cool. Don't forget to put gas in the car there after you pay your $250 to get released from lockup.

The criminals around here tend to be repeat offenders. And our system continues to let them roam free, to add more crimes to their long list.

[Bill14564]

I don't know about the rest of the country but -this- state, Florida, appears to have low standards regarding bail. Aggravated assault? $500 bond and you're out free to terrorize your wife again. Grand theft? Just have your bail bondsman put up $100 of the $1000 bond and you can scope out the new golf cart at Nancy's house with the key in the ignition because she's forgetful. Robbed a gas station? Cool. Don't forget to put gas in the car there after you pay your $250 to get released from lockup.

The criminals around here tend to be repeat offenders. And our system continues to let them roam free, to add more crimes to their long list.

Bail is not meant to keep an accused individual in jail and in fact, that is prohibited by the eighth amendment.

If there is an amount of cash that will ensure the accused comes back to his trial, set that amount as bail.

If there are conditions that will ensure the accused does not commit more crimes while awaiting trial, set those conditions as bail.

If there is good reason to believe the accused will flee or will commit more crimes then deny bail and keep him in jail.

The concept of bail should be used as intended, not as a shortcut to keeping the accused in jail.

[eyc234]

I am not amazed that people attack something being done when the victims were not just like you. Any problem with public dollars spent at the World Trade Center honoring the victims who just happened to be at the wrong place of work that morning?




How about the Memorial at the Oklahoma City site where a domestic terrorist hoping to inspire the overthrow of the government killed people who just were in the wrong place.

Lots of Federal, State and Local dollars spent at those sites, and so many more. No complaints from you about that? Oh, most of those victims weren't gay.

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

Interesting. Since the public money that went to something like that came from the tourism dollars collected from hotels, BECAUSE you moved out of Orlando you are more likely to have contributed to it.


Not unless he stayed in hotels.

[Topspinmo]

Well gee, if these "tragedies" didn't keep happening over and over again, maybe we wouldn't have to keep reliving them.

They're not tragedies. It wasn't an unfortunate accident. It was an atrocious, hideous, hateful, intentional act of violence. And it keeps happening. Everyone who was affected directly by one of these incidents, lives with the risk of a new incident triggering the emotional turmoil they experienced the first time around.

So maybe if we could come up with solutions for a) stopping these incidents OR b) reducing the risk of them happening, then maybe there'd be fewer of them, and no one would have to relive anything at all.

We'll keep bringing it up, until we stop it from happening again.

Throughout history it happened, even with Cain and Able. It’s’ NEVER going to stop but hopefully can be controlled?

[Bill14564]

Not unless he stayed in hotels.

And he is more likely to have stayed in a hotel now that he doesn't live there.

[Topspinmo]

And he is more likely to have stayed in a hotel now that he doesn't live there.


Not if he don’t stay overnight. I’ve been here 9 years and have yet stayed in hotel in Orlando.

[oldtimes]

Throughout history it happened, even with Cain and Able. It’s’ NEVER going to stop but hopefully can be controlled?

100% Correct. The only difference now is

There are billions more people

and

The media latches on to it and rides it to death

[Bill14564]

Interesting. Since the public money that went to something like that came from the tourism dollars collected from hotels, BECAUSE you moved out of Orlando you are more likely to have contributed to it.

Not unless he stayed in hotels.

And he is more likely to have stayed in a hotel now that he doesn't live there.

Not if he don’t stay overnight. I’ve been here 9 years and have yet stayed in hotel in Orlando.

You don't seem to be reading what you are replying to/arguing with.

I did not say that he has contributed to the effort.

I said it is MORE LIKELY that he contributed to the effort if he no longer lives in Orlando. Yes, that is because it is MORE LIKELY that he stayed in a hotel now that he no longer lives in Orlando.

You have not stayed in a hotel in Orlando in the nine years you have lived here. Good for you. I have stayed in Orlando hotels every year I have lived here (except 2020 - Covid). Either way, it is MORE LIKELY that someone who does not live in Orlando would stay in an Orlando hotel - not guaranteed, just MORE LIKELY.

[blueash]

Bail is not meant to keep an accused individual in jail and in fact, that is prohibited by the eighth amendment.

If there is an amount of cash that will ensure the accused comes back to his trial, set that amount as bail.

If there are conditions that will ensure the accused does not commit more crimes while awaiting trial, set those conditions as bail.

If there is good reason to believe the accused will flee or will commit more crimes then deny bail and keep him in jail.

The concept of bail should be used as intended, not as a shortcut to keeping the accused in jail.

WOW!!!! Somebody actually understands bail and the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Not a lot of that going around.

Bail simply is to let innocent people go free while guaranteeing that they will appear for trial. If you don't show you lose your money. So bail is set high enough that it is extremely unlikely you will flee, combined with ankle monitors and pulling passports as needed.

[blueash]

It happens all too often. 18 people just got shot in Maine. Should we build a museum there too? Where is the cutoff? The World Trade Center were First Responders who went into that building with a good idea they were going to die.

Do you actually believe that the distress about the bombing of WTC was because about 400 responders died and would not have been a problem if only the 2200 civilians had died? My feeling is exactly the opposite. Civilians did not sign up to be in the line of fire. That does not mean I don't mourn the loss of the 400, but they chose a career fraught with risk of death from that career choice. I honor their devotion to service.

[Vermilion Villager]

I'm not sure public funds should be used either. But I have another pet peeve about how this monument is being described. While this mass shooting was a tragedy, I'm not sure that a monument should be erected to "honor" the victims. Honor the firefighters who rushed into the WTC on 9/11 and died. Honor the thousands that died on the beaches of Normandy defending our country. But "honor" people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What "honorable" thing did they do? I think "remember" or "memorialize" are much better terms for these victims.
Think you better get a dictionary and look up the word honor. I'll do it for you.
HONOR
1. a. : to regard or treat (someone) with admiration and respect : to regard or treat with honor. b. : to give special recognition to : to confer honor on.

If I recall we seem to do a lot of honoring of people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time during the holocaust. I for one am 100% OK with that. I am also 100% OK with honoring people who died for absolutely no reason at all other than an individual hated them so much.
I'm trying to figure out if I am more amazed or more saddened by the fact that judging from the comments most here in the villages do not feel the same way and this is nothing more than a waste of money and time :ohdear:

[Vermilion Villager]

Well gee, if these "tragedies" didn't keep happening over and over again, maybe we wouldn't have to keep reliving them.

They're not tragedies. It wasn't an unfortunate accident. It was an atrocious, hideous, hateful, intentional act of violence. And it keeps happening. Everyone who was affected directly by one of these incidents, lives with the risk of a new incident triggering the emotional turmoil they experienced the first time around.

So maybe if we could come up with solutions for a) stopping these incidents OR b) reducing the risk of them happening, then maybe there'd be fewer of them, and no one would have to relive anything at all.

We'll keep bringing it up, until we stop it from happening again.
GREAT REPLY!!!! :bigbow:

[oldtimes]

Do you actually believe that the distress about the bombing of WTC was because about 400 responders died and would not have been a problem if only the 2200 civilians had died? My feeling is exactly the opposite. Civilians did not sign up to be in the line of fire. That does not mean I don't mourn the loss of the 400, but they chose a career fraught with risk of death from that career choice. I honor their devotion to service.

The WTC attack was an act of terror by a foreign government which made it an incredible tragedy all around.

The mass shootings are different in that they happen every day. What I ask is where do we draw the line, 10 deaths, 20 deaths, 50 deaths? Do we spend millions of dollars to memorialize each and every occurrence? How about the thousands of individuals that get killed every day? Do we just forget about them because it wasn't a mass shooting? I just don't understand the logic.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Bail is not meant to keep an accused individual in jail and in fact, that is prohibited by the eighth amendment.


If there is good reason to believe the accused will flee or will commit more crimes then deny bail and keep him in jail.

The concept of bail should be used as intended, not as a shortcut to keeping the accused in jail.

Many of these folks with low bails are repeat offenders. They're arrested, bail is set super low, their bondsman puts up only 10% of the fee, and they're free to go and commit more crimes. Which - they do, and this is evident because - they're repeat offenders.

My opinion - if they've committed a crime in the past, then their next arrest should have another 0 added to the end of their bail amount. Every subsequent arrest should get an additional 0. First arrest is 500? No prob, he's out, plea bargains, goes out and gets arrested for the same thing 3 months later? New bail is 5000. Posts bail and goes out and gets arrested again for something else a week later? Bail is now set to 50,000. And so on and so forth til he's just stuck there.

There's a guy who keeps getting caught shoplifting expensive stuff from Home Depot. He's not supposed to be in the store at all, but not every single employee will recognize one person out of thousands who come in every day, that they might never have seen because they weren't working the day he got caught last time.

He keeps making bail, getting out, and stealing again. Over and over again. By now, his bail should be around $500,000. And no bondsman should be wanting to go anywhere near him.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The WTC attack was an act of terror by a foreign government which made it an incredible tragedy all around.

The mass shootings are different in that they happen every day. What I ask is where do we draw the line, 10 deaths, 20 deaths, 50 deaths? Do we spend millions of dollars to memorialize each and every occurrence? How about the thousands of individuals that get killed every day? Do we just forget about them because it wasn't a mass shooting? I just don't understand the logic.

Here's a thought:

Taxpayers can agree to either
a) continue paying for memorials for victims of mass shootings or
b) start agreeing on common sense, 2A-respectful gun ownership laws AND enforcement.

I'll keep paying my fair share until the vote turns around. I'm all for 2A. I'm also all for common sense gun control. Federal database, fingerprinting, registering, licensing, background checks. No gun bans. If people pass those tests, they can own a Sherman tank loaded with heat-seeking missiles for all I care. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. So we need to legislate better laws to regulate the people since they're clearly not capable of regulating themselves.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

WOW!!!! Somebody actually understands bail and the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Not a lot of that going around.

Bail simply is to let innocent people go free while guaranteeing that they will appear for trial. If you don't show you lose your money. So bail is set high enough that it is extremely unlikely you will flee, combined with ankle monitors and pulling passports as needed.

Repeat offenders should lose their right to having a bail bondsman bail them out again. And increased bail for subsequent arrests. If they're innocent, they wouldn't be caught stealing /again./ Or beating their wife /again./ Or cutting down /another/ tree on their neighbor's lawn. And so on.

[jimbomaybe]

Repeat offenders should lose their right to having a bail bondsman bail them out again. And increased bail for subsequent arrests. If they're innocent, they wouldn't be caught stealing /again./ Or beating their wife /again./ Or cutting down /another/ tree on their neighbor's lawn. And so on.
How about changing the parole system, a prison sentence is always shortened considerably by not causing too many problems when "inside" if released with out serving the full term and are convicted of another crime you first serve out the good time from previous conviction , no "good time" then start on your new sentence with a reduction of any "good time " that a first time offender would be eligible for.

[sharonl7340]

Agree with you. First of all; this is in Orlando. If they don't want to spend their tax dollars on a memorial, then that's their call (but I haven't heard that). Second; why does it bother anyone that a "memorial" is established? It certainly would give some measure of comfort to the families and witnesses of the horrific act.

Geez folks, why are you so negative about it?

[Joe C.]

A public memorial? I think that most of the "public" could give a hoot about it. In a few years, hardly anyone will remember it (excepting the families who had members involved). Kind of like the Coconut Grove fire in the 40's or the Station fire more than 20 years ago.
Money should be spent on things that benefit people ...... not memorials that really do nothing for anybody.

[Robnlaura]

Good idea for the gay community of Orlando to have a place they pay for if they want to remember them.. I’ve driven past the place countless times it needs to be demolished period

[oldtimes]

Money should be spent on things that benefit people ...... not memorials that really do nothing for anybody.

I agree. Build a low cost clinic or food bank, or such in their honor.

[kingofbeer]

I'm not sure public funds should be used either. But I have another pet peeve about how this monument is being described. While this mass shooting was a tragedy, I'm not sure that a monument should be erected to "honor" the victims. Honor the firefighters who rushed into the WTC on 9/11 and died. Honor the thousands that died on the beaches of Normandy defending our country. But "honor" people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What "honorable" thing did they do? I think "remember" or "memorialize" are much better terms for these victims.
I find your comments to be disrespectful and offensive

[Blueblaze]

List of mass shootings in the United States (1900–1999 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_(1900% E2%80%931999))
Mass Shootings in the US: See 37 Years in One Chart | Time (https://time.com/4965022/deadliest-mass-shooting-us-history/)

198: Total Americans killed in mass shootings in the 50 years from 1920 to 1979
225: Total Americans killed in mass shootings in the 20 years from 1980 to 1999
715: Total Americans killed in mass shootings in the 20 years from 2000 to 2021

Hmmmmm.... It's almost like something changed in the 70's -- and then changed even worse in the '00's. What could it be?
Maybe this? Deinstitutionalisation - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation)
Or this? Defund the police - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police)

Keeping lunatics in asylums and killers in jail seemed to work pretty well. Instead of raising monuments to the dead for the amusement of lunatics and killers, how about we try putting them away again?