Just another step in the.......

[golfing eagles]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

[PugMom]

you must be joking, Doc,...really??

[golfing eagles]

you must be joking, Doc,...really??

And I thought it was Walmart that was joking.......

[Keefelane66]

I don't shop WalMart

[oldtimes]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.

[tophcfa]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.

[oldtimes]

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.

So why is that a problem? Isn't that what companies do?

[golfing eagles]

So why is that a problem? Isn't that what companies do?

I can only report the story, I can't understand it for anyone. If anyone can't understand the subtexts involved in these types of decisions, we truly are in trouble

[ElDiabloJoe]

I know how to have a sensory-sensitive shopping experience every time, and 24/7. Go to that big box store's website and order from that. See, no radio, no TV, no loud noises, no kids running around, no bright lights, no shiny floors or white walls or opening/closing doors, no whatever bothers you.

Problem solved, completely, cheaply, and without inconveniencing anyone else. Easy-peasy.

[alwann]

Lower the lights. All the better for shoplifting.

[dougjb]

I can only report the story, I can't understand it for anyone. If anyone can't understand the subtexts involved in these types of decisions, we truly are in trouble

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier?

[ThirdOfFive]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.
"We are in trouble."

Have been for some time.

Like Dad used to say whenever some fluff piece made the news: "Good times!". Meaning that if times were more challenging, such as having to bust your butt for the essentials of life, we'd not have time to pay attention to things like sensory-friendly shopping, safe spaces, 104 genders (according to my granddaughter, that was the count about five years ago--probably more now), offensive t-shirts/signs/whatevers, etc. etc. etc. Mom and Dad (probably can be said for most of us here) were products of the Great Depression and knew just how valuable it was to have a job and the security of knowing where your next meal was coming from. You paid attention to THAT, not to terminal airheadism.

[golfing eagles]

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier?

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.

[oldtimes]

I can only report the story, I can't understand it for anyone. If anyone can't understand the subtexts involved in these types of decisions, we truly are in trouble

Companies are always trying to find ways to attract customers and increase sales. Some are good and some fail (Target comes to mind) and they either profit or suffer the consequences. If you don’t like it don’t shop there.

[Dusty_Star]

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.

Or cows

[golfing eagles]

Companies are always trying to find ways to attract customers and increase sales. Some are good and some fail (Target comes to mind) and they either profit or suffer the consequences. If you don’t like it don’t shop there.

Don't worry, I never set foot in that place

[BrianL99]

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier?

Global Warming is the biggest scam foisted on the American public, since re-settlement of Indian tribes.

Even if it existed, the rest of the world couldn't possibly care any less.

As for Wal-Mart. Good for them. There's too much sensory overload in the world these days. I hope it helps sales and they keep it up. Not getting harassed by the AT&T Mobile booth, would be a huge plus. Oh wait, that's Sam's Club. I don't shop at Wal-Mart.

[MorTech]

Blackrock ESG/DEI ...Get with the program, or else :)

[MorTech]

The biggest scam foisted on earthlings is Central Banking....But, yeah.

[Taltarzac725]

Small Changes, Big Impact: Sensory-Friendly Hours Return (https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2023/11/07/small-changes-big-impact-sensory-friendly-hours-return)

No big deal IMHO. Except for parents with kids with autism. Or teachers of them, etc.

[Two Bills]

A step in the right direction as far as I am concerned.
Background music, which usually consists of some caterwauling female screeching how much she loves me, or 30 tv's on different channels blasting away being turned off, will be a great improvement.
The lights I don't mind, bright or dim, I pretty much know where everything is located that we buy on our weekly shop.
Just keep your trolley to the side, and don't butt block the aisle as I blast past.
Thank you. :shrug:

[golfing eagles]

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.

Hmmmm.....Sensory deprivation to increase profits?

Of course, one of the most profitable businesses ever uses total sensory overload---Las Vegas casinos.

[Taltarzac725]

Hmmmm.....Sensory deprivation to increase profits?

Of course, one of the most profitable businesses ever uses total sensory overload---Las Vegas casinos.

And no clocks anywhere.

Why Casinos Don't Have Clocks or Windows (Explained!) - FeelingVegas (https://www.feelingvegas.com/why-casinos-dont-have-clocks-windows/)

[tophcfa]

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.

So why is that a problem? Isn't that what companies do?

Where is it stated that it is a problem????

[oldtimes]

Where is it stated that it is a problem????

Sorry I said I didn’t see it as a problem and I took your comment as a disagreement.

[asianthree]

So our youngest is a Behavior Physiologist specifically high functioning autistic children, under age 8.

He also spearheaded after hours program for teens and young adults to slowly adjust them to navigate grocery and shopping. Two days a week their Walmart had 2 hours with low lights, no music, or electronics.

This was a college town with one of the top 3 autistic programs. No one seemed to mind the change in the store, some enjoyed the more quiet peaceful atmosphere. All hands on deck from the college, with their students, along with some parents, and family.

He said it was such a great honor, that Walmart recognized they could help further a better lifestyle for such a special group of people.

This program was started in early 2001, and continues with very little deviation today. So nothing new with this concept, but most have never lived in such a concentrated, community, with autistic multi age groups.

[golfing eagles]

So our youngest is a Behavior Physiologist specifically high functioning autistic children, under age 8.

He also spearheaded after hours program for teens and young adults to slowly adjust them to navigate grocery and shopping. Two days a week their Walmart had 2 hours with low lights, no music, or electronics.

This was a college town with one of the top 3 autistic programs. No one seemed to mind the change in the store, some enjoyed the more quiet peaceful atmosphere. All hands on deck from the college, with their students, along with some parents, and family.

He said it was such a great honor, that Walmart recognized they could help further a better lifestyle for such a special group of people.

This program was started in early 2001, and continues with very little deviation today. So nothing new with this concept, but most have never lived in such a concentrated, community, with autistic multi age groups.

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

[oldtimes]

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.
I can only report the story, I can't understand it for anyone. If anyone can't understand the subtexts involved in these types of decisions, we truly are in trouble

What didn't you understand about my post?

[Topspinmo]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.


In this day and age it all about making the 1 to 4 percent happy and the hail with rest. Until rest get feed up and shop with they wallet.

[Topspinmo]

And no clocks anywhere.

Why Casinos Don't Have Clocks or Windows (Explained!) - FeelingVegas (https://www.feelingvegas.com/why-casinos-dont-have-clocks-windows/)


I’m clock watcher, maybe I should sue cause I am being deprived. :shrug:

[BrianL99]

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

That was nice post. It was nice of you to acknowledge that the Wal-Mart plan does have some benefits to those more likely to be affected by sensory overload.

[Caymus]

Small Changes, Big Impact: Sensory-Friendly Hours Return (https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2023/11/07/small-changes-big-impact-sensory-friendly-hours-return)

No big deal IMHO. Except for parents with kids with autism. Or teachers of them, etc.

Article written by Denise Malloy Deaderick, Senior Vice President and Chief Belonging Officer

Is that a real title?

[Byte1]

Personally, I do not like Walmart's choice in musical entertainment. But, that's just me. Quiet is good, but I could not care less. As for a few that are having a problem with the store's environment, try to remember that you are in the minority. Why should the store (or anyone) feel the need to cater (coddle) a few? But, it it their business and like everyone else, if I don't like it I can order on line and either have it put in my car or have it delivered. Hey, if they are suffering from an illness, can't they do the same?
Oh my, I need to get my special needs dog suited up so I can go shopping.

[Pairadocs]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sergeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

Oh are we ever, and many (most ?) have no idea the direction we've been taking for a number of years now. It all converges; you make major but very gradual. incremental, changes in school and university curriculum, at the same time you gradually diminish the role of the parent for the "higher ground" of protecting the child, you wage a war on firearms making them the cause of all the increased violence and unrest, while at the same time gradually closing state and federal mental health hospitals, you slowly curb the manufacture of ammunition until the military is at critically low level, then lower the nation's oil reserves while focusing on the development of battery dependent tanks for battle, this list could go on forever. Most will spend their time accusing one or the other parties for all this, while 90% of the population has no ability to recognize patterns and relationships of all these incremental changes and the interrelationship of all these elements. We need to do as police detectives do, take a huge room and make a time line of all these incremental, "harmless" changes that all appear to have very noble goals ! Are we equipped for WWIII, no, not emotionally, socially, physically, or materially. I fear the "greatest generation" is no longer admired or honored. When I was in school, that was an important part of the interwoven total curriculum. American exceptionalism is now a badge of shame. Don't like to contemplate where this will end ?

[Pairadocs]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.

That's true, but I doubt that is what the posting individual actually meant; that we should not accommodate the disabled. My interpretation was not as narrow a view, more like a comment to reflect how, as a total population, our very culture is changing. I "think" the poster was looking at the "big picture", not trying to indicate that an adult or child with Autism is not to be respected or accommodated. But, I might be wrong ! From a totally personal perspective, I would prefer no music, no overly dim or overly bright lights, etc. in any businesses (not talking about massage spas and such). I might consider going to WM to shop during the "lowered intensity" hours, I just don't believe the poster was attempting to say WM is "wrong" to have, or not have, music, etc. Wish the villages would take the hint and NOT blast their villages radio at the pools, but, on the other hand, many would not enjoy the relative quiet to be able to read, chat at lower decibels, even "nap" in the sun without WVLG. So, can't please us all all of the time !

[Pairadocs]

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.

Good analysis, thoughtful comment. I never took "advantage" of the so called "senior shopping hours" during the Covid panic, but if it worked for people, it sure did not keep me from going at other hours. It's all relative said Einstein... or so they say, LOL ! Who knows, people without disabilities may find they really enjoy the toned down atmosphere and shop those hours too causing WM to even increase the "lowered stimulation" hours even more ! ? Never can tell if you have a winning idea until you give it a trial. I just agree, apart from comments on disabilities and medical accommodations, that the general population is far LESS able to deal with such things than my parents and grandparents were.

[golfing eagles]

Good analysis, thoughtful comment. I never took "advantage" of the so called "senior shopping hours" during the Covid panic, but if it worked for people, it sure did not keep me from going at other hours. It's all relative said Einstein... or so they say, LOL ! Who knows, people without disabilities may find they really enjoy the toned down atmosphere and shop those hours too causing WM to even increase the "lowered stimulation" hours even more ! ? Never can tell if you have a winning idea until you give it a trial. I just agree, apart from comments on disabilities and medical accommodations, that the general population is far LESS able to deal with such things than my parents and grandparents were.

I like all three of your posts and you are exactly right. Like I stated in my subsequent post, I didn't even think of those hours as being an attempt to accommodate the autistic community. I thought it was just another corporation appeasing some idiotic woke concept to lead us further down the path to destruction. Naturally, if their motivation was to help those individuals, I'm not against it at all---it's hardly an inconvenience to anyone else.

[spinner1001]

Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static


This is to accommodate people/children with Autism.

I’m calling BS.

People/children with autism don’t only shop at Walmart 800-1000am. Nonsense.

[oldtimes]

I’m calling BS.

People/children with autism don’t only shop at Walmart 800-1000am. Nonsense.

Please read post 26. It's not a perfect solution but it's a start.

[eyc234]

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier? :bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

:bigbow:

Res ipsa loquitur

[Taltarzac725]

Please read post 26. It's not a perfect solution but it's a start.

It would be hard for Walmart to do that at the busiest times. I recall during COVIDs worst times here in the Villages you had to get to Walmart very early to get a chance of nabbing some toilet paper and various other times, I got up around 6 AM a few times. I do not remember the exact times but it was quite early,

My Mom was a Special Education teacher in Reno, NV and also helped a Villages area Catholic Church with their program aiding Special Needs adults.

Doubt if these people would want to go at very busy times.

[Pairadocs]

I can only report the story, I can't understand it for anyone. If anyone can't understand the subtexts involved in these types of decisions, we truly are in trouble

BINGO ! Can it be any more obvious that a very high percentage certainly do not understand the subtext of this, and many other posts, and yes, that does indicate we are in serious trouble !

[Pairadocs]

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

I have no known sensory sensitivities, but I'd certainly take advantage of ANY store that offered music free shopping. Maybe it adds something to sooth the anxieties of strangers packed like sardines in an elevator, but for me I just don't enjoy someone else's music choices constantly bombarding me. Can't even sit Starbucks in LSL and enjoy a coffee on the front patio, constant assault of Villages radio, just like at the pools, every side walk, wonder if the residents of the new, more peaceful, natural setting villages have to put up with never being able to escape it unless you stay inside your home ?

[mikeycereal]

Hah, how did I know who the OP was before opening the thread? :shrug:

[Hank’s mom]

Why would you care? It doesn’t hurt anyone and it may be helpful to someone. Only a wuss would pick this battle!

[wsachs]

Don't shop from 8-10 am. Quit whining. People with autism or epilepsy have real issues.

[jimdecastro]

I know how to have a sensory-sensitive shopping experience every time, and 24/7. Go to that big box store's website and order from that. See, no radio, no TV, no loud noises, no kids running around, no bright lights, no shiny floors or white walls or opening/closing doors, no whatever bothers you.

Problem solved, completely, cheaply, and without inconveniencing anyone else. Easy-peasy.

If you were told to shop online because you had an issue you would be screaming about the Constitution. Why should my autistic son be FUTHER isolated?

[eyc234]

Why would you care? It doesn’t hurt anyone and it may be helpful to someone. Only a wuss would pick this battle!
:BigApplause:

[Eclas]

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.

C'mon now you can't use common sense. That isn't allowed anymore.

[PhilG]

Groan!

[MandoMan]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

Laughing. I look forward to a time when all news programs turn down the sound and fake intensity so that they are more like CBS Sunday Morning. I look forward to a time when TV advertisements are played at a volume several decibels quieter than the programs they interrupt. I look forward to a day when football and basketball announcers stop shouting and instead speak quietly, as in golf programming. While we are at it, I’d welcome quiet restaurants where parties of eight don’t shout at each other.

[golfing eagles]

Hah, how did I know who the OP was before opening the thread? :shrug:

Why would you care? It doesn’t hurt anyone and it may be helpful to someone. Only a wuss would pick this battle!

Don't shop from 8-10 am. Quit whining. People with autism or epilepsy have real issues.

Actually, if people read SUBSEQUENT posts instead of just glancing at the first one, they'd have half a chance of knowing what they are talking about rather than just banging out blither-blather on their keyboards. Or is that too much to ask?

[jimjamuser]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.
Anytime ANY change is made like this at Walmart there are some people who may like the change, some people who won't like THAT particular change, and some people who resist ANY kind of change (no matter what). I need to think about this Walmart change more to have my opinion on it. In the meantime, I will applaud Walmart for trying something that people MAY like. At many stores, the music IS too loud or music meant only for the youngest segment of their shoppers.

[Wondering]

Wow! You off your meds, again!

[Vermilion Villager]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.
They've been doing it since July...on Saturdays. From Supermarket News:
In July, Walmart tested out the sensory-friendly hours concept from 8-10 a.m. only on Saturdays. Walls with TVs were turned into a static image, the in-store radio was shut off, and lights were dimmed where possible to create an environment more enjoyable for shoppers with autism or other disabilities.

So Golfing Eagles....this affects you 0%! maybe you want to tell us why you hate people with Autism so much???

[defrey12]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.

Yeah, except for the fact that crazy people use those maladies as excuses. Autism is genetic condition, not environmental as the kooks would have you believe—vaccines, etc. They use it as a catch all for bad behavior in children. Parents who don’t want to parent. Pandering to learned/bad behaviors is NOT where our society should be headed.

[kkingston57]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

At 1st it seemed to be like you described, but after thinking about it, this idea makes sense. They are not telling us what we can do or not do. They are giving their shoppers a choice. Dimming the lights might be a good idea in the long run. Personally, I like lower light. Might be a good business decision. Might get more customers in the stores at this time of the day. Time will tell.

[kkingston57]

In this day and age it all about making the 1 to 4 percent happy and the hail with rest. Until rest get feed up and shop with they wallet.

And this business practice is for 2 hours a day, it will or might satisfy the 1-4% and everybody has a choice. Walmart is not telling us how and when to shop. As much as I do not like Walmart I could care less that they are trying this.

[kkingston57]

I like all three of your posts and you are exactly right. Like I stated in my subsequent post, I didn't even think of those hours as being an attempt to accommodate the autistic community. I thought it was just another corporation appeasing some idiotic woke concept to lead us further down the path to destruction. Naturally, if their motivation was to help those individuals, I'm not against it at all---it's hardly an inconvenience to anyone else.

Good thoughtful response to other peoples thoughts regarding this situation.

[kkingston57]

BINGO ! Can it be any more obvious that a very high percentage certainly do not understand the subtext of this, and many other posts, and yes, that does indicate we are in serious trouble !

Personally, I feel that this is/was a $ business decision made by Walmart and only applies for 2 hours a day. We need to stop trying to read other peoples minds. Look at how many posts are on this decision alone?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, the OP changed his mind once he realized the point of Walmart's decision. However...
We got to see inside the mindset that led the OP to his opinion in the first place.

"Woke mentality" is bad, in his mind. He has a real problem with it. You could say, it hurts him in his feelings place. We should be more sensitive to his feelings place. Except - if we were to do that, we'd be "woke."

So nah - not giving him a pass on this. It was vile, vicious, and mean-spirited of him to even think that "wussification" was a good adjective to use for people who actually give a crap about their fellow human being. There. I'm being "unwoke." Feel better now OP? You're welcome.

[asianthree]

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

Most businesses in town adapted well to the large autism programs, some families moved from all over the US so their children (age 2 to 18) could enter one of their programs.

Our son worked at a restaurant, that every college employee had to be in the Behavior program.

Every holiday the restaurant closed to the public, and only families of autistic children could dine. Each table had a behavior student, at the table so parents could have a wonderful meal and that special employee devoted to their child, keeping them occupied and helping with their meal. Mothers day was a major event because most Moms were alone due to high divorce rate.

Entire meal was free, all employees and owner, gave their time and previous tips to make those holidays special. Each year there was a big party for those who graduated, moving on to practice in other parts of the country. Asking a business to practice safe shopping.

When we visited, with our son, parents would come up to us and hug us, Thanking us for having such a wonderful, caring son, that has changed not only the life of their child and but their families.

It’s a hard road for young children, but even harder for autistic young adults, sadly many low functioning young adults go to a facility to live, because it’s just to hard for their parents to keep them safe.

So it’s good to see that something Walmart adapted for special needs in early 2000, has now moved on to other parts of the country.

[defrey12]

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.

Been longer than 20,000 years, but close enough…

[defrey12]

Or cows

It’s not about “cow farts” and whatever…it’s a land grab. Think about it…

[Taltarzac725]

It’s not about “cow farts” and whatever…it’s a land grab. Think about it…

By water. A land grab by water melting near the poles. We could have some seashore property by 2400 here in the Villages.

[HORNET]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble. No problem, just remember, all we need to worry about is how fast we can learn Chinese.

[Boomer]

I wanted to write a post about how people who wake up every morning — looking for something to be angry about — perhaps need to seek less sensory stimulation.

The choice to tune into sources where the goal of the programmers is to provide their devoted audience with a constant barrage of reasons to be furious about something, anything, whatever fires ‘em up — should maybe be reevaluated.


All around us, we are seeing the symptom of the calculated, insidious training, via screens, that has resulted in the need to thrive on anger and the need for validation of that anger. In many cases, that need can become insatiable, resulting in behavior that takes over the personality. This behavior, throughout our country, is affecting relationships on every level.

It is interesting to read about amygdala-hijacking which attributes some of this behavior to basic neuroscience. The emotional part of the brain can become highly susceptible to negative emotions and reactions — if hammered long enough and hard enough.

Maybe people need to step away from their screens of choice for a while and see if they feel better and are not flying-off-the-handle all the time. Give up those marching orders spewed every day about who to bash — and most often it is a bashing of those who are doing no harm, just trying to live their lives but viciously used as easy targets by talking heads with a big following. (‘Following’ is the operative word there.)

Actually, my first thought when I saw this thread was for people who suffer from autism, which can exhibit a wide variety of symptoms. I think it is just fine to try to help this part of our population. Nobody is harmed by this WM plan. But obviously, it must have been the “mean news of the day” on a screen somewhere.


(And, yes, I saw the back-pedaling post. Not enough to erase the pattern though. Maybe it is time to heal thyself.)

Boomer

[Escape Artist]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.

I agree with you except that most people who choose gluten free diets are not celiac which my mother in law was and is uncommon. It’s a health/dietary choice because some feel wheat and other grains cause problems.

[Brynnie]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

Before scoffing at this idea, you may want to do some research on Sensory Processing Disorder. I have this disorder, and, believe me, it's no fun to be assailed by bright lights, loud music, and flashing images. In some people it triggers anxiety attacks and migraines, which are debilitating. It would be nice if more people were aware of this disorder, which often masks itself as shyness or unsociability. Unfortunately, there's no cure, except for sufferers to avoid loud concerts, strobe lights, and other multi-sensory activities. Even being in a room where multiple conversations are going on, especially with music in the background, produces anxiety attacks and other physical symptoms that can be unbearable. A little understanding would be nice. Just be glad you're not one of the people who have sensory problems.

[oldtimes]

I agree with you except that most people who choose gluten free diets are not celiac which my mother in law was and is uncommon. It’s a health/dietary choice because some feel wheat and other grains cause problems.

Several of my friends are diagnosed with Celiac disease, it is often hereditary. I believe it is more common than you think but then again why does it matter?

[Lancer]

Global Warming is the biggest scam foisted on the American public, since re-settlement of Indian tribes.

Even if it existed, the rest of the world couldn't possibly care any less.

As for Wal-Mart. Good for them. There's too much sensory overload in the world these days. I hope it helps sales and they keep it up. Not getting harassed by the AT&T Mobile booth, would be a huge plus. Oh wait, that's Sam's Club. I don't shop at Wal-Mart.

So who do you think owns Walmart?

[jimjamuser]

Really?? Walmart is experimenting with a new concept in an attempt to increase profit. If it works, it will stick, if not, they will move on to the next idea.
Walmart knows how to make a profit. It seems like there is a little bit of altruism and thoughtfulness on their part in this situation ( which actually surprises me). I am curious to know ALL the facts concerning this change. It seems almost too good (of a corporate citizen) to be true.

[jimjamuser]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.
One way it would NOT be a problem is that younger people (wanting MORE stimulation) could wear headphones at those hours and have their OWN music and jack up the volume.

[d1nod1no]

It is quiet 8-10 anyway. BUT how about the speeding food wagons and operators filling orders? Pull your basket over and let them pass!

[jimjamuser]

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier?
As they say in the sport of fencing..........TOUCHE !

[Rapscallion St Croix]

My disease is kleptomania. When do they turn off surveillance and send store detectives on break. Also would like to know if they forbid screaming kids during sensory friendly hours.

[jimjamuser]

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.
I am VERY surprised that Walmart would be at the FOREFRONT of corporate progressive action. They may feel that it will generate invaluable public GOODWILL. And it looks like a situation where there is some upside and LITTLE downside. Those who like more stimulation when they shop can just put on their headphones for those 2 early hours.
P.S. Just heard a report on the radio about the year ending in October being the hottest recorded by scientists. And the temperature increase averaged 1.43 degrees C GREATER than the pre-industrial average. The year ending Dec 2023 is certain to be the warmest on record.

[jimjamuser]

Global Warming is the biggest scam foisted on the American public, since re-settlement of Indian tribes.

Even if it existed, the rest of the world couldn't possibly care any less.

As for Wal-Mart. Good for them. There's too much sensory overload in the world these days. I hope it helps sales and they keep it up. Not getting harassed by the AT&T Mobile booth, would be a huge plus. Oh wait, that's Sam's Club. I don't shop at Wal-Mart.
The rest of the world DOES care .....especially the coastal cities.

[Marathon Man]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

Walmart has chosen to do this. Why anyone would spend one second being concerned about it beyond my comprehension.

[jimjamuser]

Hmmmm.....Sensory deprivation to increase profits?

Of course, one of the most profitable businesses ever uses total sensory overload---Las Vegas casinos.
Compulsive gambling has destroyed many a family. Gambling is an industry that produces ZERO useful products. If Walmart is going in the opposite direction of Las Vegas, then more power to them.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.
It takes a bigger, better person to admit when they are wrong. And it IS not too terrible that someone is wrong when they do NOT have 100% of the details of some program. It is easy to reach a faulty conclusion if you do NOT have ALL the information and data points.

[golfing eagles]

They've been doing it since July...on Saturdays. From Supermarket News:
In July, Walmart tested out the sensory-friendly hours concept from 8-10 a.m. only on Saturdays. Walls with TVs were turned into a static image, the in-store radio was shut off, and lights were dimmed where possible to create an environment more enjoyable for shoppers with autism or other disabilities.

So Golfing Eagles....this affects you 0%! maybe you want to tell us why you hate people with Autism so much???

Maybe you want to tell me why you didn't read my subsequent posts, even AFTER I pointed it out to everyone.

Here's one of them:

Thanks for the clarification. When I saw the news article and posted , I wasn't thinking of the autistic community or their families. My first response was simply "here we go again" with some inane cause such as global warming or free speech zones. But you are spot on with the assessment that lower stimulation is better for the autistic---my apologies. I wish the news snippet would have given the reason for these special hours.

And here's another:

I like all three of your posts and you are exactly right. Like I stated in my subsequent post, I didn't even think of those hours as being an attempt to accommodate the autistic community. I thought it was just another corporation appeasing some idiotic woke concept to lead us further down the path to destruction. Naturally, if their motivation was to help those individuals, I'm not against it at all---it's hardly an inconvenience to anyone else.

So yes, I SUPPORT Walmart's decision

Feeling foolish yet?????

[golfing eagles]

So, the OP changed his mind once he realized the point of Walmart's decision. However...
We got to see inside the mindset that led the OP to his opinion in the first place.

"Woke mentality" is bad, in his mind. He has a real problem with it. You could say, it hurts him in his feelings place. We should be more sensitive to his feelings place. Except - if we were to do that, we'd be "woke."

So nah - not giving him a pass on this. It was vile, vicious, and mean-spirited of him to even think that "wussification" was a good adjective to use for people who actually give a crap about their fellow human being. There. I'm being "unwoke." Feel better now OP? You're welcome.

You're making this TOO easy. Woke isn't "bad" in my mind, it's catastrophically terrible and destructive, which every true American already knows. Which, in turn, makes "wussification" the PERFECT adjective for idiotic woke ideas and their implementation. But thanks for throwing me a softball. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

By water. A land grab by water melting near the poles. We could have some seashore property by 2400 here in the Villages.

More like by the year 36,000

[golfing eagles]

Before scoffing at this idea, you may want to do some research on Sensory Processing Disorder. I have this disorder, and, believe me, it's no fun to be assailed by bright lights, loud music, and flashing images. In some people it triggers anxiety attacks and migraines, which are debilitating. It would be nice if more people were aware of this disorder, which often masks itself as shyness or unsociability. Unfortunately, there's no cure, except for sufferers to avoid loud concerts, strobe lights, and other multi-sensory activities. Even being in a room where multiple conversations are going on, especially with music in the background, produces anxiety attacks and other physical symptoms that can be unbearable. A little understanding would be nice. Just be glad you're not one of the people who have sensory problems.

Sorry to hear about your problem. If you look at subsequent posts you'll see I support the idea---the news snippet I saw had zero explanation of the reasoning behind their new policy. Once Asian explained it, I had more information and adjusted my viewpoint. (PS: that is NOT "backpaddling:)

[Regorp]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

I will be sure to shop later during non quiet hours, thank you

[alwann]

I hope the idea catches on. Do you think a restaurant would make a profit if somehow it was quiet enough to hear the person sitting next to you, and it didn't feel like the Ice Age? It'd get my business.

[Pugchief]

You're making this TOO easy. Woke isn't "bad" in my mind, it's catastrophically terrible and destructive, which every true American already knows. Which, in turn, makes "wussification" the PERFECT adjective for idiotic woke ideas and their implementation.

Couldn't agree more. The WOKE mind virus is destroying the fabric of our country.

[TomSpasm]

Shouldn't you stick with being a global warming denier?
That made me laugh really hard!

[oldtimes]

I hope the idea catches on. Do you think a restaurant would make a profit if somehow it was quiet enough to hear the person sitting next to you, and it didn't feel like the Ice Age? It'd get my business.
We don’t go out as often as we used to for these reasons.

[TomSpasm]

Just so everyone knows, it's not just autistic people who have trouble in Walmart. I have Dystonia, which means I have involuntary muscle spasms, primarily with my eyes and other parts of my face, and at times it extends down my right side to affect my neck, shoulder, legs, and feet. Walmart is one of the worst environments for my body. I can be absolutely fine in the parking lot, and less than 10 seconds after walking in the door, my eye or eyes shut down, my right shoulder raises up, and I am a mess. I look forward to trying out this new time period, it would be nice if I don't feel like crap in there.

[jimjamuser]

Article written by Denise Malloy Deaderick, Senior Vice President and Chief Belonging Officer

Is that a real title?
Of course, she is in charge of Walmart Nationwide's attempt to BETTER belong sociologically with greater America. You go, girl !!!!!

[jimjamuser]

I like all three of your posts and you are exactly right. Like I stated in my subsequent post, I didn't even think of those hours as being an attempt to accommodate the autistic community. I thought it was just another corporation appeasing some idiotic woke concept to lead us further down the path to destruction. Naturally, if their motivation was to help those individuals, I'm not against it at all---it's hardly an inconvenience to anyone else.
The Meaning of life and a "woke life"..........I thought that the meaning of "woke" was a positive one - an "awakening" and seeing more of the many truths and beauties in life. Far from a "path to destruction", which is QUITE negative.

[jimjamuser]

I’m calling BS.

People/children with autism don’t only shop at Walmart 800-1000am. Nonsense.
No, but the idea IS that it allows them a time that they might enjoy MORE than from 10 AM to closing. It gives them MORE options and people like options.

[jimjamuser]

C'mon now you can't use common sense. That isn't allowed anymore.
If that is an example of so-called "common sense"........then it is interesting because it is WRONG ! Today's MAN-MADE Global Warming has increased greatly in the past 8 years. I am NOT the one saying this. It is the many thousands of climate scientists worldwide and ONE (of many) simple proofs is the measurement of the increasing ocean levels around the world. Many others too numerous to mention.

[Topspinmo]

By water. A land grab by water melting near the poles. We could have some seashore property by 2400 here in the Villages.

We won’t be here in 2024. And if I am? I’m 85 feet above sea level. Opps 79 feet…. :shrug:

[Topspinmo]

Just so everyone knows, it's not just autistic people who have trouble in Walmart. I have Dystonia, which means I have involuntary muscle spasms, primarily with my eyes and other parts of my face, and at times it extends down my right side to affect my neck, shoulder, legs, and feet. Walmart is one of the worst environments for my body. I can be absolutely fine in the parking lot, and less than 10 seconds after walking in the door, my eye or eyes shut down, my right shoulder raises up, and I am a mess. I look forward to trying out this new time period, it would be nice if I don't feel like crap in there.


I only have one ear so my balance not good ever. I get dizzy when it crowed plus I can’t zone in in noise. I alway look wrong direction where the noise comes from.

[jimjamuser]

Actually, if people read SUBSEQUENT posts instead of just glancing at the first one, they'd have half a chance of knowing what they are talking about rather than just banging out blither-blather on their keyboards. Or is that too much to ask?
Ah, the sound of a world WITHOUT BLITHER-BLATHER would be a world without sensory OVERLOAD.........I can only dream.........imagine there are no LOUD lawnmowers
............. imagine there are no loud grassblowers to irritate you
.............I wonder if you can
..............no loud golf carts with their governors jacked WAY UP
..............I wonder if you can
...............no LOUD people to pee you off
...............I wonder if you can
...............they say that I am a dreamer
................but, I am NOT the only one

[golfing eagles]

Ah, the sound of a world WITHOUT BLITHER-BLATHER would be a world without sensory OVERLOAD.........I can only dream.........imagine there are no LOUD lawnmowers
............. imagine there are no loud grassblowers to irritate you
.............I wonder if you can
..............no loud golf carts with their governors jacked WAY UP
..............I wonder if you can
...............no LOUD people to pee you off
...............I wonder if you can
...............they say that I am a dreamer
................but, I am NOT the only one

John Lennon's estate is filing a lawsuit :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rogerrice60]

I'm more than capable of multi-tasking:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: I'm don't deny "global warming", its been going on for the last 20,000 years and cyclically many times before that. The "deniers" are those that are oblivious to the obvious truth--that 20,000 years of warming has nothing to do with driving your SUV.
So good to hear the truth that these global warming idiots can't understand.
They should research the 60's to see how the liberals were panicking over "Global Cooling"
They were convinced the ice pack was going to tip the earth off its axis

[jimjamuser]

Before scoffing at this idea, you may want to do some research on Sensory Processing Disorder. I have this disorder, and, believe me, it's no fun to be assailed by bright lights, loud music, and flashing images. In some people it triggers anxiety attacks and migraines, which are debilitating. It would be nice if more people were aware of this disorder, which often masks itself as shyness or unsociability. Unfortunately, there's no cure, except for sufferers to avoid loud concerts, strobe lights, and other multi-sensory activities. Even being in a room where multiple conversations are going on, especially with music in the background, produces anxiety attacks and other physical symptoms that can be unbearable. A little understanding would be nice. Just be glad you're not one of the people who have sensory problems.
Thank you for putting us "into your shoes". Very informative.

[jimjamuser]

Just so everyone knows, it's not just autistic people who have trouble in Walmart. I have Dystonia, which means I have involuntary muscle spasms, primarily with my eyes and other parts of my face, and at times it extends down my right side to affect my neck, shoulder, legs, and feet. Walmart is one of the worst environments for my body. I can be absolutely fine in the parking lot, and less than 10 seconds after walking in the door, my eye or eyes shut down, my right shoulder raises up, and I am a mess. I look forward to trying out this new time period, it would be nice if I don't feel like crap in there.
Hope that works well for you.

[Boomer]

The anger that is palpable through some of these posts would be pathetic, if not so vicious — and predictable.

Boomer

[TJSanson]

Let's see--well, from what I gather, anyone who may have such sensory issues may not even be allowed in the military; they'd be "4-F'd", if that's the correct term, and, well, such lights and sounds may not bother you particularly, but those on the autism spectrum--like me--might find bright lights and intrusive background music to be disturbing and even distressful. While, I imagine, its presence or absence may not impact you at all either way. Its kinda like having Disabled parking spaces. Those that can walk a bit arent affected largely by the restrictions of handicap-only spaces, and having those spaces closer to the doors makes it less demanding on a person in a wheelchair or, like my dad here in TV, a walker.
Hope this clears things up.

T





so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.

[JMintzer]

Hah, how did I know who the OP was before opening the thread? :shrug:

Because it states the name of the thread starter right below the thread title?

[asianthree]

My disease is kleptomania. When do they turn off surveillance and send store detectives on break. Also would like to know if they forbid screaming kids during sensory friendly hours.
It would hard and cruel to control autistic children, ( or your idea to forbid them because of a handicap) when shopping with special needs in public. Although it has been proven even with low functioning, behaviors is 60% better in a sensory friendly environment.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

It would hard and cruel to control autistic children, ( or your idea to forbid them because of a handicap) when shopping with special needs in public. Although it has been proven even with low functioning, behaviors is 60% better in a sensory friendly environment.

I'm referring to the ubiquitous unruly kids that are there every visit.

[Rosethorn]

Let's see--well, from what I gather, anyone who may have such sensory issues may not even be allowed in the military; they'd be "4-F'd", if that's the correct term, and, well, such lights and sounds may not bother you particularly, but those on the autism spectrum--like me--might find bright lights and intrusive background music to be disturbing and even distressful. While, I imagine, its presence or absence may not impact you at all either way.

T

Thank you so much for posting this.

If you met me in public, you’d probably like me. I’m likable and personable and I’m a good listener. I’ve written ten books on architectural history. The world would probably call me “successful.”

I’m a nationally known expert in a goofy little niche topic, and I had a good run with my crazy career, and I know that my books have brought many people much joy.

I’m also autistic (high functioning) and bright lights and loud noises are extremely painful to me. In fact, my body interprets loud noises as physical pain. My wiring is a bit different from “normies.”

Being around large groups of people is very difficult.

Online shopping changed my life. Instacart is a dream come true for me. I won’t venture into Walmart unless the need is urgent.

I think it’s wonderful that they’re considering this and implementing it. And the real question is, how does it hurt anyone else if they create a couple hours of “a more peaceful atmosphere”?

[Eg_cruz]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.
Wow……. Bah humbug, let’s don’t try to do anything nice for autistic children. If you not like it don’t go then. As a doctor, you would think you know, there’s a lot of autistic children and adults out there, how is this any different then have him motorized scooters for disable.
Be kind Be Better Humans

[Eg_cruz]

I don't see this as a problem. This is to accommodate people/children with Autism. It's no different than handicap ramps or gluten free menus for people with Celiac disease.
Thank you

[Eg_cruz]

I know how to have a sensory-sensitive shopping experience every time, and 24/7. Go to that big box store's website and order from that. See, no radio, no TV, no loud noises, no kids running around, no bright lights, no shiny floors or white walls or opening/closing doors, no whatever bothers you.

Problem solved, completely, cheaply, and without inconveniencing anyone else. Easy-peasy.
How is lowering the light effect anyone else. I truly don’t understand why anyone can have a problem with this. Man even when a company does something nice people find fault……..shameful

[Eg_cruz]

Thank you so much for posting this.

If you met me in public, you’d probably like me. I’m likable and personable and I’m a good listener. I’ve written ten books on architectural history. The world would probably call me “successful.”

I’m a nationally known expert in a goofy little niche topic, and I had a good run with my crazy career, and I know that my books have brought many people much joy.

I’m also autistic (high functioning) and bright lights and loud noises are extremely painful to me. In fact, my body interprets loud noises as physical pain. My wiring is a bit different from “normies.”

Being around large groups of people is very difficult.

Online shopping changed my life. Instacart is a dream come true for me. I won’t venture into Walmart unless the need is urgent.

I think it’s wonderful that they’re considering this and implementing it. And the real question is, how does it hurt anyone else if they create a couple hours of “a more peaceful atmosphere”?
It doesn’t hurt anyone, there are just selfish people in this world.
This is a beautiful thing

[golfing eagles]

Wow……. Bah humbug, let’s don’t try to do anything nice for autistic children. If you not like it don’t go then. As a doctor, you would think you know, there’s a lot of autistic children and adults out there, how is this any different then have him motorized scooters for disable.
Be kind Be Better Humans

And yet another person who DID NOT READ any of my SUBSEQUENT posts. Sorry, I'm not going to point again to yet another person how wrong you are. Just go back through the thread and see MY REAL opinion.

[jimjamuser]

It would hard and cruel to control autistic children, ( or your idea to forbid them because of a handicap) when shopping with special needs in public. Although it has been proven even with low functioning, behaviors is 60% better in a sensory friendly environment.
In reference to my comments about LOUD annoying gasoline-powered lawnmowers (not electric ones), it would be nice if the WHOLE Villages was a "sensory-friendly environment".

[jimjamuser]

Thank you so much for posting this.

If you met me in public, you’d probably like me. I’m likable and personable and I’m a good listener. I’ve written ten books on architectural history. The world would probably call me “successful.”

I’m a nationally known expert in a goofy little niche topic, and I had a good run with my crazy career, and I know that my books have brought many people much joy.

I’m also autistic (high functioning) and bright lights and loud noises are extremely painful to me. In fact, my body interprets loud noises as physical pain. My wiring is a bit different from “normies.”

Being around large groups of people is very difficult.

Online shopping changed my life. Instacart is a dream come true for me. I won’t venture into Walmart unless the need is urgent.

I think it’s wonderful that they’re considering this and implementing it. And the real question is, how does it hurt anyone else if they create a couple hours of “a more peaceful atmosphere”?
That was interesting - turning being a good listener into 10 books on an important subject. It is amazing how many real experts are right here among us in The Villages. I wonder if LOUD lawnmowers in the neighborhood bother you? They do me. Too bad that is the exception and not the rule.

[Boomer]

And yet another person who DID NOT READ any of my SUBSEQUENT posts. Sorry, I'm not going to point again to yet another person how wrong you are. Just go back through the thread and see MY REAL opinion.



Good morning to you……

While you are shouting out orders, please take time to re-read my post below — that I wrote yesterday in response to that extremely angry opener of this thread.

Boomer

Here it is:

I wanted to write a post about how people who wake up every morning — looking for something to be angry about — perhaps need to seek less sensory stimulation.

The choice to tune into sources where the goal of the programmers is to provide their devoted audience with a constant barrage of reasons to be furious about something, anything, whatever fires ‘em up — should maybe be reevaluated.


All around us, we are seeing the symptom of the calculated, insidious training, via screens, that has resulted in the need to thrive on anger and the need for validation of that anger. In many cases, that need can become insatiable, resulting in behavior that takes over the personality. This behavior, throughout our country, is affecting relationships on every level.

It is interesting to read about amygdala-hijacking which attributes some of this behavior to basic neuroscience. The emotional part of the brain can become highly susceptible to negative emotions and reactions — if hammered long enough and hard enough.

Maybe people need to step away from their screens of choice for a while and see if they feel better and are not flying-off-the-handle all the time. Give up those marching orders spewed every day about who to bash — and most often it is a bashing of those who are doing no harm, just trying to live their lives but viciously used as easy targets by talking heads with a big following. (‘Following’ is the operative word there.)

Actually, my first thought when I saw this thread was for people who suffer from autism, which can exhibit a wide variety of symptoms. I think it is just fine to try to help this part of our population. Nobody is harmed by this WM plan. But obviously, it must have been the “mean news of the day” on a screen somewhere.


(And, yes, I saw the back-pedaling post. Not enough to erase the pattern though. Maybe it is time to heal thyself.)

Boomer


And, now, please look at the post below that blames the writer of “the news snippet.” HAH! That writer was just doing his job — which is to throw together half-truths and/or plain dysinformation, to elicit a furious response from readers who fall for it, and it’s so easy to get those knee-jerk reactions.

Look at this. It’s pure cause and effect. Take a deep breath, think, and own it. The post below proves my point.

Boomer

Anyway, here it is:

Sorry to hear about your problem. If you look at subsequent posts you'll see I support the idea---the news snippet I saw had zero explanation of the reasoning behind their new policy. Once Asian explained it, I had more information and adjusted my viewpoint. (PS: that is NOT "backpaddling:)

Yep. There it is — admitted — cause and effect.

Seriously, I meant it when I said, “Heal Thyself.” Arrogant, hateful, reactionary tirades, time after time, are not good for anybody. Don’t buy into things that promote dehumanization. It’s all around us now, out in the open. Please pay attention. Think.

Boomer

[Rosethorn]

That was interesting - turning being a good listener into 10 books on an important subject. It is amazing how many real experts are right here among us in The Villages. I wonder if LOUD lawnmowers in the neighborhood bother you? They do me. Too bad that is the exception and not the rule.

Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.

[JMintzer]

Wow……. Bah humbug, let’s don’t try to do anything nice for autistic children. If you not like it don’t go then. As a doctor, you would think you know, there’s a lot of autistic children and adults out there, how is this any different then have him motorized scooters for disable.
Be kind Be Better Humans

Tell me you didn't read the thread before posting without telling me you didn't read the thread before posting...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And yet another person who DID NOT READ any of my SUBSEQUENT posts. Sorry, I'm not going to point again to yet another person how wrong you are. Just go back through the thread and see MY REAL opinion.

We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

[Boomer]

Thank you so much for posting this.

If you met me in public, you’d probably like me. I’m likable and personable and I’m a good listener. I’ve written ten books on architectural history. The world would probably call me “successful.”

I’m a nationally known expert in a goofy little niche topic, and I had a good run with my crazy career, and I know that my books have brought many people much joy.

I’m also autistic (high functioning) and bright lights and loud noises are extremely painful to me. In fact, my body interprets loud noises as physical pain. My wiring is a bit different from “normies.”

Being around large groups of people is very difficult.

Online shopping changed my life. Instacart is a dream come true for me. I won’t venture into Walmart unless the need is urgent.

I think it’s wonderful that they’re considering this and implementing it. And the real question is, how does it hurt anyone else if they create a couple hours of “a more peaceful atmosphere”?



Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.


Thank you for sharing this.

I admire your brilliance and your focus, which have obviously brought you a lot of success.

Boomer

[SallyB]

Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

[JMintzer]

We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

"Stormfront"???

Now, you're calling him a "white supremacist"?

Your opinion is noted...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

The OP would have to actually want to do that. They've been a member of this forum for years, and know they can edit their own posts.

[oldtimes]

We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

While this is true, the word Woke" also triggers a predictable reaction on your side also. This is kind of the pot and the kettle. Maybe both of you need to take a step back on your reactions.

[Rosethorn]

Thank you for sharing this.

I admire your brilliance and your focus, which have obviously brought you a lot of success.

Boomer

Thank you for the kind words.

The world is full of people with all kinds of peccadilloes and eccentricities, and heaven knows, I am the poster child for being a “half bubble off plumb”!

I’m hopeful that I’ll soon meet other “gentle-natured souls” here in The Villages.

Your post made me smile. Thank you!!

[oldtimes]

Thank you for the kind words.

The world is full of people with all kinds of peccadilloes and eccentricities, and heaven knows, I am the poster child for being a “half bubble off plumb”!

I’m hopeful that I’ll soon meet other “gentle-natured souls” here in The Villages.

Your post made me smile. Thank you!!

I think most Villagers are gentle natured souls unlike the few that post here on TOTV. Almost everyone that I have met in person has been very pleasant.

[thelegges]

I'm referring to the ubiquitous unruly kids that are there every visit.

We always thought our oldest grandson was just a kid who acted out, and needed better control. In reality he was diagnosed at age 4 with high functioning spectrum, at 25 he still keeps appointments with his initial savior.

I admit at times some children can be a distraction, but then I look at that parents face, and wish them a better tomorrow

[mickey100]

I think this world needs a little more empathy as well as compassion.

[golfing eagles]

Good morning to you……

While you are shouting out orders, please take time to re-read my post below — that I wrote yesterday in response to that extremely angry opener of this thread.

Boomer

Here it is:[/B

[B]And, now, please look at the post below that blames the writer of “the news snippet.” HAH! That writer was just doing his job — which is to throw together half-truths and/or plain dysinformation, to elicit a furious response from readers who fall for it, and it’s so easy to get those knee-jerk reactions.

Look at this. It’s pure cause and effect. Take a deep breath, think, and own it. The post below proves my point.

Boomer

Anyway, here it is:



Yep. There it is — admitted — cause and effect.

Seriously, I meant it when I said, “Heal Thyself.” Arrogant, hateful, reactionary tirades, time after time, are not good for anybody. Don’t buy into things that promote dehumanization. It’s all around us now, out in the open. Please pay attention. Think.

Boomer

Sorry, but you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.


There is nothing arrogant or hateful about getting the COMPLETE information about a change in store policy and adjusting accordingly.

If you were referring to the original post that I erroneously assumed was some policy to placate the woke idiots, yes it was hateful. And EVERY post I make about these idiots that are trying to destroy our country will be "hateful", "arrogant", "hypercritical" and a whole lot more.

But once again for the record: I support Walmart's actions to lessen the sensory burden on the autistic and anyone else that has trouble dealing with loud noise and bright lights.

As far as the woke idiots go---res ipsa loquitur

[golfing eagles]

We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

Yes, you are almost correct. It's not that "the word" woke triggers an ugly side, it is that woke itself is ugly and destructive. And how anybody can actually buy into that crap is way beyond my understanding.

But thank you for your "real opinion", although we all already knew what it was.

[golfing eagles]

Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

You are probably correct. But I look at this as a "teaching moment" so I can point out what happens when people don't read the entire post.

[Taltarzac725]

The word "woke" usually only means what the writer's spin on it is. There is little common ground.

Personally they should have all kinds of books in libraries to get into how it is to walk in other's shoes. That does seem to be "woke" to some put is looking out for the needs of all people in the community rather than letting the loudest voices get their way of censoring what is in libraries.

[golfing eagles]

The word "woke" usually only means what the writer's spin on it is. There is little common ground.

Personally they should have all kinds of books in libraries to get into how it is to walk in other's shoes. That does seem to be "woke" to some put is looking out for the needs of all people in the community rather than letting the loudest voices get their way of censoring what is in libraries.

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

[golfing eagles]

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

[JMintzer]

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

What does insinuating that GE is a "White Supremacist" make you?

And your claim that "the borders are not open" is laughable...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry, but you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.


There is nothing arrogant or hateful about getting the COMPLETE information about a change in store policy and adjusting accordingly.

If you were referring to the original post that I erroneously assumed was some policy to placate the woke idiots, yes it was hateful. And EVERY post I make about these idiots that are trying to destroy our country will be "hateful", "arrogant", "hypercritical" and a whole lot more.

But once again for the record: I support Walmart's actions to lessen the sensory burden on the autistic and anyone else that has trouble dealing with loud noise and bright lights.

As far as the woke idiots go---res ipsa loquitur

Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

[golfing eagles]

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqBBBKE5Jm0

Tim the Tool Man was better with communicating than some people using "woke".

It just looks like the equivalent of GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

[golfing eagles]

See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

Hey, I ALWAYS stated slavery ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. I only threw you that bone because the woke crowd claimed it wasn't over until the fat lady sung on 6/19/1865. they even were able to get a trumped-up holiday out of it.

And YOU"RE the one that is so far gone into wokeism that it isn't worth debating.

[Dusty_Star]

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.


NYC Mayor Eric Adams: 'We Support Open Borders".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zmcc9xPHBI

This is recent, after the influx of illegals that the city as a santuary city has been hosting & has been begging the influx to stop. He is reiterating the party line. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but it is the party line.

You've chosen not to notice.

[JMintzer]

If no one wants "Open Borders", then why is the Federal Government cutting the border wire and using bulldozers to lift the barbed/razor wire in Texas so that undocumented aliens can enter the country illegally?

[jimjamuser]

Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.
Yes, glad you are happy here. I believe that LOUD noises are somewhat disruptive to everyone - some more than others. There are book clubs, movie clubs, and poetry clubs here.

[jimjamuser]

I think most Villagers are gentle natured souls unlike the few that post here on TOTV. Almost everyone that I have met in person has been very pleasant.
Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

[JMintzer]

Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

And it releases the "crazy" in others...

[jimjamuser]

While this is true, the word Woke" also triggers a predictable reaction on your side also. This is kind of the pot and the kettle. Maybe both of you need to take a step back on your reactions.
"Woke" has a pretty flexible meaning. It is whatever the person speaking or writing wants it to mean. It is a silly putty of a word.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love
Our borders ARE too porous. But, in the 1950's California had free college tuition and the state did NOT implode. Change is ALWAYS happening and change can be good or bad. Sometimes it should be WELCOMED !!

[Byte1]

In reference to my comments about LOUD annoying gasoline-powered lawnmowers (not electric ones), it would be nice if the WHOLE Villages was a "sensory-friendly environment".

I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.

[Byte1]

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

Hmmm, admitting one's faults is the first step toward healing. One often accuses others when the blame is usually oneself.

[jimjamuser]

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.
I agree with 85% of this post. However, I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are fleeing oppression. I think that many just want to be US citizens or be here to make more MONEY. And also why don't they stay in their country of origin and fight oppression there instead of taking the comparatively easy way out and traveling north to the US?
I would NOT shoot illegal aliens, but I would require them to stay PUT in their OWN country and make an application for US citizenship from that location. Those crossing our borders, I personally, would consider INVADERS and I would capture them and put them in a US jail for 5 years and then send them back. That seriousness would lead to real deterrence without killing anyone.

[jimjamuser]

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better. I would NOT have a problem with a college criminology student or pre-law being available to ride in a Police squad car. To be a witness both for or against the criminal and how the Police conducted themselves.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it
"A bullet in the head" might be a slight overreaction to a home invasion by unarmed invaders. But, with HUGE numbers of guns floating all around the US, the Police could easily assume that a home intruder was armed.

[jimjamuser]

I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.
There is scientific evidence that LOUD noises are irritating and therefore fatiguing. Even the military issues ear noise defenders to those in loud jobs. Personally, I use a battery-powered push-electric lawnmower, which is about 30% as LOUD as a gas mower - it is better for me AND my neighbors - less noise, zero pollution, and no fire hazard gasoline storage. Some humans hear better than others. Some humans are turned off by loud noises.

[JMintzer]

I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.

The same "people" who complain about the noise also complain about the smell. Claiming they can smell it while in their home... :ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[Eg_cruz]

If you were told to shop online because you had an issue you would be screaming about the Constitution. Why should my autistic son be FUTHER isolated?
Well put. Some of these comments are beyond selfish

[Eg_cruz]

Actually, if people read SUBSEQUENT posts instead of just glancing at the first one, they'd have half a chance of knowing what they are talking about rather than just banging out blither-blather on their keyboards. Or is that too much to ask?
Is it too much to ask, if the OP has changed their view to just update the original post. Wouldn’t that be easier for all.

[Byte1]

I agree with 85% of this post. However, I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are fleeing oppression. I think that many just want to be US citizens or be here to make more MONEY. And also why don't they stay in their country of origin and fight oppression there instead of taking the comparatively easy way out and traveling north to the US?
I would NOT shoot illegal aliens, but I would require them to stay PUT in their OWN country and make an application for US citizenship from that location. Those crossing our borders, I personally, would consider INVADERS and I would capture them and put them in a US jail for 5 years and then send them back. That seriousness would lead to real deterrence without killing anyone.

So, basically you want our existing laws enforced?

[mickey100]

Ah, the sound of a world WITHOUT BLITHER-BLATHER would be a world without sensory OVERLOAD.........I can only dream.........imagine there are no LOUD lawnmowers
............. imagine there are no loud grassblowers to irritate you
.............I wonder if you can
..............no loud golf carts with their governors jacked WAY UP
..............I wonder if you can
...............no LOUD people to tee you off
...............I wonder if you can
...............they say that I am a dreamer
................but, I am NOT the only one

The lawnmower thing, especially leaf blowers, is way out of control. It seems to be constant in our neighborhood. Each neighbor has a different lawn service, and you can hear those leaf blowers one street either side of us, so that is a lot of houses, and a lot of lawn services/mowing. Anyone who is not hearing impaired has got to be annoyed by the constant loud noise. In some retirement communities, leaf blowers are banned. The workers actually have to rake. What a novel concept, lol.

[jimbomaybe]

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

Unless the 6 year old can only see , respond and process their thoughts through their own fear and anxiety

[Eg_cruz]

You are probably correct. But I look at this as a "teaching moment" so I can point out what happens when people don't read the entire post.
So glad we have you here to “teach us” ……please

[Eg_cruz]

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love
Wow I finally agree with you 🤣😂🤣😂

[swooner]

so-called "wussification" of America. Today Walmart announced that starting Friday they will have "sensory friendly" hours from 8-10 AM when the lights will be lower, the radio off and the TV screens set to a static image. Are they kidding???? What individual or group made this complaint and why in the world would Walmart even give a second thought to listening to them, much less enacting such an idiotic policy.

Let's hope we never get into a real war. I can see it now: "Sargeant, would you please tell the enemy to cut it out---their bombs are too bright and too noisy. Also, you failed to designate which foxholes are free speech zones." We are in trouble.
Couldn't care less. Can't imagine why anyone would get bent out of shape unless you go there to watch TV in the morning.

[Eg_cruz]

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.
Our borders are not open?
The big cities that defunded their law enforcement agencies not not hurting NOW?
Talk about needing to change where one gets their information from

I do think it would be entertaining to watch a debate (all subjects welcomed) with Orange Blossom Baby and Golfing Eagles on the town square

[JMintzer]

Wow I finally agree with you 🤣😂🤣😂

See what happens when you read the thread? :p

[Eg_cruz]

See what happens when you read the thread? :p
So you read the whole thread before you post a reply on every post. If so you would know I agreed on only of his post not his other 100