South of 466A & especially South of 44

[BrianL99]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

[Altavia]

Blind man describing an elephant.

[golfing eagles]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

You may not know this, but when TV first crossed 466 and they started building Lake Sumter Landing, the residents of the time thought "Who would ever want to live way down there?"

I think the area south of 44 will look a whole lot different once Eastport becomes the 4th town square, the 3 (maybe more) championship golf courses are open as well as 6+ execs, and the commercial areas are built. Patience, grasshopper, patience.

[asianthree]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

I will say you have such wisdom on TV, since joining in 2021. You saw the pandemic, hear how we basically stayed open while many parts of the US shut their doors.

So haven’t had a Southern Bashing Post for awhile.

Your visit anywhere at 3pm, is very different that at normal times in south of 44. Sawgrass is a small venue, for Southern Oaks, with ability to have food, small pro shop, and outside entertainment. Every night one has to arrive at 4ish to seat save at Sawgrass, unles it’s a double header, then try to find a seat at 3pm. This is by experience, the place will be packed with McGradys waitlist on the patio, and the bar has special tapas at bar only during happy hours, standing room only around the boxcar. You will find some sitting in their golf cart, for lack of a space. It’s not even Snow birds fully arriving

Edna’s was also a pilot venue to bring food, entertainment and a bar to an area far from a proper square. Most times 2 food trucks, with a special visiting third truck ( think lobster rolls). Bar is covered, entertainment is standing room only most night, with Zero parking available. We bid on a house that was 7 houses backing up to Sawgrass. Due to the constant overload of people we choose not to buy the house. While you were there you should have noticed the makings of a restaurant that is going to be built, because it’s such a popular spot.

It still amazes me when we came to TV in 2007, there wasn’t any issues where one chooses to live in TV. Although the SS area really didn’t know where LSL was, because it was a bunch of empty buildings and a developer own business. Bashing of new areas was very few and far between, usually a very much older resident, that doesn’t do change

After 4 different villages, each time moving farther south, by choice, I still don’t under why you as a poster is so angry about why many of us Chose to live South.if you are in fear and it seems you are to venture south, one might want to make sure your flax jacket is Orange during hunting season. It’s a much younger age in the south, and may be why you seem uncomfortable with those who choose to live here

[frayedends]

The OP is hilarious. Obviously he hasn’t seen the future plans for Eastport and south. By the way I looked at Lakewood Ranch and bought in Lake Denham. Lakewood had nice homes and a rec center with a few people just waiting to die slumped in chairs.

[Keefelane66]

You woke up. Rush to the nearest Urgent Care Center for your Kool-Aid shot

[BrianL99]

I still don’t under why you as a poster is so angry about why many of us Chose to live South.

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

[frayedends]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

Perhaps because retirees are getting younger? Wait till us southerners bring Slayer cover bands to the squares. You’re gonna love it. 👿

[justjim]

OP, I’m not a huge fan of what has been built south of 44 up to now but I don’t think your assessment is fair and accurate for what potentially will be south of 44 in five to seven years from now. More golf courses, another square with shops and restaurants, Eastport and not to mention the new multi-million dollar school complex and Middleton you never saw or mentioned. After many years in TV, we are currently living happily in our fourth village. We were one of the first to build south of 466A and if we were a bit younger would be pioneering Eastport or one of the other planned villages southeast of Eastport. I believe the best is yet to come to The Villages south of 44. The children and grandchildren of Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse will see that the “dream” will continue.

[Marathon Man]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

I will try to answer your question. Those of us who chose to move to the south from other areas love what I call 'The New Formula'. Sure, more of the same old thing could have been built. But the south shows that evolving a design can be a wonderful thing. Those that like the old style can choose what was built before. Those that prefer the new style can choose what is being built now. I see no reason to be such a downer about that.

BTW, I also thought the original post had an angry tone. Choose what you like, and I will choose what I like. Why is that a problem?

[Debfrommaine]

Live and let live. The end.

[go4fpsb]

I think the OP wants to see if they can beat the previous record for clicks and replies for “ let’s bash everything south of 44”. Here’s where the bar is set.
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Good luck. You got a long way to go.

[tophcfa]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

Dam, we live north of 466 and absolutely love that area and have no desire to relocate, but in my opinion your view of the newer areas of the Villages is extremely harsh. Every time I have ventured down to the southern parts of the Villages it has been an enjoyable experience. Are things down there different, yes. That doesn’t make it bad or undesirable, and certainly not appalling. The newer areas are clearly being designed differently, which gives new homebuyers more options depending on the retirement lifestyle they are seeking. If I could wave a magic wand, I wish the southern areas had more golf, so the northern courses wouldn’t be as crowded. Next, I would wish the northern areas had some of the features of the new areas such as the network of golf cart free walking and bike trails as well as the wider MMP’s with bigger tunnels and less back jarring drainage culverts at road crossings. At the end of the day, all the areas are beautiful and the envy of many, many, many returning baby boomers. Having a variety of lifestyle choices only enhances the place. Let’s not try to start a Village’s north/south civil war and all just enjoy the place.

[thelegges]

Op you chose to go to the south once, and think nothing is the TV you chose to live in.

That’s very true, but I do find your post comes off as the normal bashing of the south, that has plagued TOTV, as soon as the developers built south.
Past experience those who don’t get the allure of south of 44 are of an older age bracket.

We moved from LSL area, then built a home in Richmond. I will say we are in the older age bracket here. Many are in their 50s, some still work, but as a whole this is a very different village than any we have lived in.

There are monthly themed parties at the Rec center, always with a waiting list. There are weekly men’s and women’s groups, and one of the largest golf groups in off season, I have ever been affiliated with. This is a village that embraces all things retirement. We go to Sawgrass, and Edna’s, when there is a parking space to be had.

Rarely do we travel north from where we started, to shop, golf, socialize. Reason we moved was SS visit was maybe every 2 months, LSL once a month. Brownwood weekly. It’s a bonus to have meaningful conversations without the ongoing talk of health issues.

Many enjoy the lack of retail nightmare traffic, and have no issue driving 10 minutes. We don’t shop weekly, and Doctor appointments are 6-12 months apart. So south is the new vision, it’s just not for my parents, that are in their 80s.

[Laker14]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

Feel better now?

I live north of 466A in Poinciana. I like it there. I played pickleball yesterday at Homestead. Want to know what I saw?

I saw people out biking, walking, playing pickleball, swimming, apparently oblivious to the horrible place they decided was right for them.

So nice of you to let them know they live in a bad place. Otherwise, they'd have lived happily ever after, in blissful ignorance.

Good job.

[Bogie Shooter]

It’s a shame OP started this thread to just start some controversy. Then again of the 14 threads started most have a similar theme………..

[MrChip72]

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.


So you chose to go on the second slowest day of the week to Sawgrass where there's no events happening until 5pm? Even most Brownwood restaurants aren't 1/3rd full at 3pm on a Tuesday in November.

Edna's is primarily an outdoor music venue. The food trucks are open most of the day even when there's no events running yet. They are building a restaurant there right now as you might have noticed. It sounds like you went there when there was no music. Maybe check the schedule next time and don't go to a venue when it's essentially "closed" and then complain that there's nothing happening there.

[dewilson58]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

It's called success.

Thousands and thousands of people buying South of 44.

[kitnhead]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

We moved to TV 2 1/2 years ago after working Los Angeles for 27 years. We saw LA degenerate into something out of a Kurt Russel movie. I guess it’s all a matter of perspective. After having been pushed into traffic by a crazy homeless man, seeing my sweet little town (Temple City) turn into an open air drug den for meth addicts, my husband and I just walk around TV in awe and say to each other “we live in Paradise”. I want to keep my perspective and never get jaded or spoiled. The first thing that hit us upon arrival was how happy everyone was. It’s a big place, so of course you get your few sappy sods, but overall, the people seem really glad to be here, north or south.

[dewilson58]

The first thing that hit us upon arrival was how happy everyone was. It’s a big place, so of course you get your few sappy sods, but overall, the people seem really glad to be here, north or south.

:BigApplause:

[NoMo50]

I, for one, have never felt the need or desire to bash where someone chooses to live. Each area within The Villages has its own unique vibe, and they are all great places because of that. The evolution of The Villages has been nothing short of poetry in motion, and evolution requires change. Had the developers chosen to stand pat on ideas from the 80's and 90's, they would be moving backward. So you don't like the areas south of SR44? Fine...please feel free to stay away, and not use the amenities down south. Maybe you really are the one sane individual, and the 10,000 plus folks who live there are the lunatics. Nah...I don't think so.

[MidWestIA]

I think the lay of the land (more swampy areas) just doesn't work as well for business and golf courses. But it will as they keep going. When I came back in 2021 I only looked above 44 cuz I want to easily get to lots of golf & shopping in 20 min in a cart. And it's all new houses people there probably think it's great it's all they know.

[Glowfromminnesota]

Nicely said to the Temple City post.

[jimdecastro]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.


We like it here because you are THERE.

[dewilson58]

And it's all new houses people there probably think it's great it's all they know.

Jus called thousands of people ignorant.

Aren't we superior.

:ohdear::ohdear:

[Norge]

Love your post!They’re so many miserable old people that don’t know how to explore or try something different and enjoy things.
South of 44 will be a big hit for many with all the new things for all of us to enjoy.Besides what east port will bring there is so
Paths scenery & wildlife.I personally enjoy all of TV in all it has to offer.

[Laker14]

We moved to TV 2 1/2 years ago after working Los Angeles for 27 years. We saw LA degenerate into something out of a Kurt Russel movie. I guess it’s all a matter of perspective. After having been pushed into traffic by a crazy homeless man, seeing my sweet little town (Temple City) turn into an open air drug den for meth addicts, my husband and I just walk around TV in awe and say to each other “we live in Paradise”. I want to keep my perspective and never get jaded or spoiled. The first thing that hit us upon arrival was how happy everyone was. It’s a big place, so of course you get your few sappy sods, but overall, the people seem really glad to be here, north or south.

Indeed. Don't you find it easy to be friendly to strangers when so many strangers are friendly back at you? I love it.

The other day I was picking up my mail and had a rapid conversation with a total stranger. He mentioned that he'd been a firefighter in Philly. I mentioned that my father-in-law had been one as well. He asked where. I told him. ( A little town in Upstate NY) His eyes lit up, "I've been there" and proceeded to tell me of a few local landmarks he'd visited.

All of this in the time it takes to pick up (and throw away most of) our mail.

Just makes you feel good.

[keithwand]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

Too funny,
I lived in TV in the premier section behind Bonifay CC from 2012 to 2019.
Great house and neighborhood.
Moved to Lakewood Ranch in 2020 when the house was done.
TV and LWR are number 1 and 2 for sales in the nation.
I still visit TV and the area as my my GF lives nearby.
Both have their pluses and minuses.
So many people I’ve met have moved here from TV for various reasons.
Gas golf cart? Did you move from the villages and inevitably the answer is yes!

[keithwand]

The OP is hilarious. Obviously he hasn’t seen the future plans for Eastport and south. By the way I looked at Lakewood Ranch and bought in Lake Denham. Lakewood had nice homes and a rec center with a few people just waiting to die slumped in chairs.

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.

[stevecmo]

OP please edit your post. You forgot to bash the Fenny Grill.

[Bogie Shooter]

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.

Is there a social media site like TOTV at LWR?

[Ken D.]

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.
I suggest you read prior posts here regarding Lakewood Ranch. Many who left TVs to move there are back here, or wishing they never left.

[Travelhunter123]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

Are you saying the developers model is no longer successful

[Michael 61]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

Maybe because the demographic of those buying south of 44 is in most cases an entire generation younger than the older areas of TV.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

You are going to take a lot of flack from people on here because your tone was aggressive. Your point is not entirely off base imo.

Yes, what third 3rd or 4th generation is creating is a draw for outsiders to come play golf within T V at Champion courses while still prividing basic executive courses, and minimum mvp nature excursions. They can't create what was done up north in what used to be beautiful flat grazing meadows. All the moving of dirt they do won't ever equal the rolling hills and shadey paths North of 44. They would go broke.

People buying houses online from out of state, who have never been to T V don't know the difference, they don't care about visuals or price is appealling or they fall for "the new center" verbage used to sell all new areas near public squares.

I have lived in Cental FL since 1987 and grew up in New England. The FL landscape is a whole different "animal" than say even NC. FL is for the most part bone flat accept Clermont (lol the new T V shopping district).
When I saw what was created up by Sumter, down through Brownwood I was sold. I longed for rolling hills and shade trees like up north in the US.

What is being built in what T V is SELLING as the new center (verbage is all it is) is typical FL development. Flat, stripped out moss covered SCRUB live oak trees. T V did impressively moved a very old majestic oak tree to the sunset island. They replaced scrub live oaks with a few palms trees and put in very basic plants, and other little elements that do not even remotely demonstrate what T V used to be capable of North of 44.

To someone thawing out from harsh winters its quite lovely - to a long time Floridian the area looks almost barren (water bills for irrigation not so much fun lol). Some will say be patient, the plants will grow. Not even close.

Count the actual TREES being planted in Sawgrass/Eastport area... palms are considered weeds lol (Palm Beach is removing them to appease "climate" verbage). Scimping doesn't fill in a landscape but after all we are in bad economy right now lol.

There is a difference but in the end T V is a very special place. Freedom via fun golf cart riding amungst many many other things. While its not as over the top creative, the concept behind the lifestyle makes still makes T V, even in the new "center of T V", have to laugh, a great place to live.

Btw, one of your findings for sure is indeed off. I just sold my home within walking distance of Ednas (moved closer to Sumter Landing). True fact, when the snowbirds are here you can't park to get your mail. Very popular place. Close to Brownwood. The location sold my house.

[airstreamingypsy]

I like the far north because of all the trees....... I like the far south because of all the nature. There literally is something for everyone. It's odd to me that you took a ride and a golf cart one afternoon, and got to bashing a whole section of TV, and then didn't keep it to yourself. No one is ever making you go there again, so don't. See that, I'm a problem solver.

[Blueblaze]

When in the history of mankind have the kids who inherited their father's dream ever successfully kept it alive?

The South isn't bad. It's still superior to any of the dozens of other retirement communities we looked at all over the country and Florida. But it's undeniably a shadow of what Schwartz and Morse built.

And that's a crying shame, when you realize that we're only halfway through the Baby Boom retirement!

The sad fact of life is, without benefit of "The Dream", the children of every inherited successful endeavor inevitably order their accountants to squeeze every last drop of profit from the enterprise -- as it slowly fades away. There is no profit in building another Sumter Landing south of 44 -- not when you need cash now to support your Florida ranch and your hobby polo field, or your faltering Hollywood career.

It's just a fact of life. No point in whining about it. It's totally out of our control, anyway. Instead of dwelling on it, lets just continue to enjoy The Dream while it lasts -- which will be longer than any of us.

[oldtimes]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

Nasty, unnecessary post

[gbs317]

We live south of 44 now for 5+ years now. My wife likes it, I like it, my children like it and are happy for us, my grandchildren like it, and my neighbors like it. I guess if myself and my family are happy for us and are excited to visit us in the southern part of TV that’s what makes me happy.

[keithwand]

I suggest you read prior posts here regarding Lakewood Ranch. Many who left TVs to move there are back here, or wishing they never left.

I don’t know everyone here so have no way of knowing.
People move about all the time.
Some of my old neighbors have moved back to where their families are.
Some to other places in Florida including nearby the villages like harbor hills and on top of the world.
I do know of 1 that moved back to TV and is now in the new area south.

[Driller703]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

What are YOU smokin’?

[Dond1959]

I am truly amazed and amused at the north vs south arguments on social media. It usually starts (like this post) with someone from the north bashing the south and then the retaliation from southerners.

But if people are really honest it isn’t the location or amenities. The issue is some people in the north do not want any growth. They feel the developer “promised” there would be no growth past whatever landmark (466, 466a, 44). They believe the Villages is “too big” and they wanted growth to stop as soon as they moved in.

Then people will bring up Mr Schwartz and Gary Morse and that they would never betray them. I have to laugh, they were very good businessmen. They would of jumped at the chance to buy up the land south of 44 from failed developments. I encourage you to look at the latest goldwingnut video update. He does a great job explaining the land purchases. The bottom line is the land was going to be developed by someone and the Villages doing it will make it much nicer than most any other developer.

Now go enjoy your day no matter where you live and stop complaining about where someone else chose to live.

[Wilson02852]

People retire to one of the best places in the country and still bring their my world is better than yours attitude with them. My car, my house, my lawn, my pool, my neighborhood pool are all better than yours.

Get real, your hourglass is running low. You need to sit back and enjoy what "you" have instead of what your neighbor has. Now I'm putting the clubs on our one cart and driving 10 minutes to play a round of golf with friends.

[bsloan1960]

Like the rich man looking down with contempt on the peasants from his house on the hill. Lucky that you got one of the beautiful spots before all the commoners moved in and excepted life in their ghetto.

[Michael 61]

I am truly amazed and amused at the north vs south arguments on social media. It usually starts (like this post) with someone from the north bashing the south and then the retaliation from southerners.

But if people are really honest it isn’t the location or amenities. The issue is some people in the north do not want any growth. They feel the developer “promised” there would be no growth past whatever landmark (466, 466a, 44). They believe the Villages is “too big” and they wanted growth to stop as soon as they moved in.

Then people will bring up Mr Schwartz and Gary Morse and that they would never betray them. I have to laugh, they were very good businessmen. They would of jumped at the chance to buy up the land south of 44 from failed developments. I encourage you to look at the latest goldwingnut video update. He does a great job explaining the land purchases. The bottom line is the land was going to be developed by someone and the Villages doing it will make it much nicer than most any other developer.

Now go enjoy your day no matter where you live and stop complaining about where someone else chose to live.

You bring up many good points.

Development between 44 and Clermont is going to occur regardless of the developer. Would you rather have that developer be “The Villages” or a non-Villages entity?

[Marathon Man]

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.

Do you know how you can tell when someone regrets leaving The Villages (even if they refuse to admit it)? The linger on 'Talk of The Villages' and continue to make comments.

[MSGirl]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

The difference between the older sections and south of 44 is that the developer (Gary Morse) built the amenities before the homes. The Morse kids see more profit building homes first and amenities as needed. Homes are closer together with shorter driveways and narrower streets to allow for more housing. Folks down there are relying on the 4th square at Eastport. It will be a different concept catering to the families of Middleton.

[Switter]

Dam, we live north of 466 and absolutely love that area and have no desire to relocate, but in my opinion your view of the newer areas of the Villages is extremely harsh. Every time I have ventured down to the southern parts of the Villages it has been an enjoyable experience. Are things down there different, yes. That doesn’t make it bad or undesirable, and certainly not appalling. The newer areas are clearly being designed differently, which gives new homebuyers more options depending on the retirement lifestyle they are seeking. If I could wave a magic wand, I wish the southern areas had more golf, so the northern courses wouldn’t be as crowded. Next, I would wish the northern areas had some of the features of the new areas such as the network of golf cart free walking and bike trails as well as the wider MMP’s with bigger tunnels and less back jarring drainage culverts at road crossings. At the end of the day, all the areas are beautiful and the envy of many, many, many returning baby boomers. Having a variety of lifestyle choices only enhances the place. Let’s not try to start a Village’s north/south civil war and all just enjoy the place.

I agree.

I live in the north in Woodbury and I really love it up here too but I really wish they had more dedicated biking/walking paths where you don't have to share with the golf carts. I was just thinking about this the other day while riding my bike. I am always very cautious because I don't want to collide with a golf cart that's doing 20 miles an hour. I'm not going to win that battle. I never used to wear a helmet when biking but now I do and I equip my bike with rearview mirrors and daytime running lights just for safety. I've seen quite a few people driving golf carts in a very loose, sometimes careless fashion. They don't treat it similar to a car or something that can do some serious damage. For example, i've seen people holding their pets while driving. They probably wouldn't do that while driving a car. I'm not trying to start a war with golf carts at all, just pointing out that I wish people would take driving a golf cart with a little more seriousness, especially as we age and our reflexes slow down.

I'm 58 (gen x) and bicycles are really big for my age demographic and younger, so maybe in the future, as more Gen Xers move in, we will have more of these types and of paths up north. Where I moved from there were numerous bike paths and they were very popular.

My only complaint about the south would be traffic and crowds. Other than that I really liked it and would consider moving down there just for the bike/walking paths.

[Robojo]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

I like it here in the south away from all of those judgemental people who hate change of any kind.

GenX is in the HOOOUUSE!

GET USED TO IT :)

[Braddock]

Do you know how you can tell when someone regrets leaving The Villages (even if they refuse to admit it)? The linger on 'Talk of The Villages' and continue to make comments.

Read my previous post where my girlfriend owns a business in the villages and that’s why I’m back up there To visit her. never said anything was wrong about the villages why do you take so much offense. Maybe on bunch your shorts.
I lived in Winter Park for eight years, the villages for eight years in Lakewood Ranch so far for three. Nice to expand your horizons and open your mind.

[PurePeach]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.

Same reason every other business person does — today’s society is much different than the society of 20 years ago; even 10 years ago. If you don’t evolve, you just show your age and become stagnant and sometimes go out of business. Am I going to move down there? I think not, but the concept is appealing to a younger set of seniors by offering the lifestyle they find appealing. We’ve been to Edna’s and had a wonderful afternoon. If you don’t like what they’re doing, then don’t “waste your time” by going back. Frankly, I intend on heading down and partaking in the “new” culture from time to time because it’s similar to some of the things I liked in Atlanta that I left behind.

[Rodneysblue]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.
They didn’t, when Orange Blossom, Silver Lake, and Country Club Hills were started there was nothing. Then a tent and eventually other facilities as I have been told.

[KenLee100]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

I am happy you like your place in TV. I'm not sure why you want to complain about TV south. You like it there, we like it here. When I want to visit the historic part of TV, I will do it without complaint. There is enough negativity in the world already. If you care about facts Lakewood Ranch is not a retirement community and their sales were less than TV.
You are comparing apples and oranges and coming up with bananas.

[frayedends]

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.

Indeed I was there and that was my observation. Of course a 1 hour visit and walkthrough doesn’t show an entire picture.

[BrianL99]

They didn’t, when Orange Blossom, Silver Lake, and Country Club Hills were started there was nothing. Then a tent and eventually other facilities as I have been told.


So I'll apologize if my post "sounded angry", that really wasn't my intent. Although, I was a little exercised at driving 30 minutes from Sumter to the "south" and not even finding a decent place to have lunch.

That said, a better characterization of what I saw in the south, was that it's "off brand", to steal a word from today's marketing world.

I think the big secret weapon that made The Villages and Gary Morse so successful, is the homogeneous nature of demographic they targeted. While some folks crave more varied experiences, the older we get, the more habitual and narrow-minded most people seem to get. I think The Villages concept is the proof. White, upper-middle class, 60+ year old Republicans who play golf, and didn't live close to an ocean, seem to make up the vast majority of the population here. A generation of Middle America, headed to TV.

I suspect the southern area is more diversified, younger and folks likely have different expectations. A couple of other posters mentioned, they've see a clear change in the marketing concept and target demographic. It remains to be seen, how successful it will be.
In my mind, it's definitely "off brand" and dilutes the brand. Sort of like when Mercedes started selling those cute little soccer mom SUV's or when Chevrolet started putting 6 cylinder engines in Camaros (or Kia trying to become a performance brand). Being everything for everyone, is a tough sell.

As for the comment about the folks at Lakewood Ranch getting ready to die, you should visit there and see it for yourself. The majority of LR is not age-restricted, although Mick Jagger recently sold his home there, so there are some older folks. If Keith Richards decides to move there, that'll move the age demographic up a notch.

[Bogie Shooter]

Too funny,
I lived in TV in the premier section behind Bonifay CC from 2012 to 2019.
Great house and neighborhood.
Moved to Lakewood Ranch in 2020 when the house was done.
TV and LWR are number 1 and 2 for sales in the nation.
I still visit TV and the area as my my GF lives nearby.
Both have their pluses and minuses.
So many people I’ve met have moved here from TV for various reasons.
Gas golf cart? Did you move from the villages and inevitably the answer is yes!

Do you know how you can tell when someone regrets leaving The Villages (even if they refuse to admit it)? The linger on 'Talk of The Villages' and continue to make comments.

Read my previous post where my girlfriend owns a business in the villages and that’s why I’m back up there To visit her. never said anything was wrong about the villages why do you take so much offense. Maybe on bunch your shorts.
I lived in Winter Park for eight years, the villages for eight years in Lakewood Ranch so far for three. Nice to expand your horizons and open your mind.

????
Same guy?

[Ramblnman]

[QUOTE=BrianL99;2272655]In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I abandoned ALL of my Social Media feeds in 2016 because it wasn't uplifting...just the opposite. It was exhausting scrolling through all the whining, complaining, and negative comments.

Then I heard about TOTV and thought Village People (no pun intended) were a cut above and maybe I could get a better insight into many of the wonderful services that The Villages has to offer. We bought a home in the South because it had a younger feel, and at 70 years old, I found it refreshing but never once thought anything negative about the North.

I like the North...I like All of TV's, but we wanted to buy "New" and they were selling as fast as they came on the market...We were fortunate to get our first choice in St. John.

Why anyone would "bash" any fellow community member because of where they choose to live is beyond me. I have my suspicions, however; I refuse to reciprocate that type of negative revelry.

I have met so many wonderful people in The Villages younger and older. Most of my neighbors are much younger than me, but I never got the feeling that they thought I'm and old-F_ _ _! I guess attitude is everything.

It is exciting to see what they have planned in the South and it equally gratifying that we have so much to enjoy in the North.

My only disappointment thus far is reading some of the nasty comments on TOTV's. I hope I don't regret joining, but if it continues I will walk (can't run anymore) as fast as my feet will carry me...

Have a wonderful day in the neighborhood!

[dtennent]

OP, you do realize that when General Motors continued to offer the same basic cars year in and year out, it opened the door to Toyota and Honda? The building of different types of venues/features/experiences demonstrates the creativity to keep our community fresh and alive. While I live north of 44, I enjoy the increased variety being built farther south.

[coffeebean]

Op you chose to go to the south once, and think nothing is the TV you chose to live in.

That’s very true, but I do find your post comes off as the normal bashing of the south, that has plagued TOTV, as soon as the developers built south.
Past experience those who don’t get the allure of south of 44 are of an older age bracket.

We moved from LSL area, then built a home in Richmond. I will say we are in the older age bracket here. Many are in their 50s, some still work, but as a whole this is a very different village than any we have lived in.

There are monthly themed parties at the Rec center, always with a waiting list. There are weekly men’s and women’s groups, and one of the largest golf groups in off season, I have ever been affiliated with. This is a village that embraces all things retirement. We go to Sawgrass, and Edna’s, when there is a parking space to be had.

Rarely do we travel north from where we started, to shop, golf, socialize. Reason we moved was SS visit was maybe every 2 months, LSL once a month. Brownwood weekly. It’s a bonus to have meaningful conversations without the ongoing talk of health issues.

Many enjoy the lack of retail nightmare traffic, and have no issue driving 10 minutes. We don’t shop weekly, and Doctor appointments are 6-12 months apart. So south is the new vision, it’s just not for my parents, that are in their 80s.

I live in the LSL area. I'm still trying to understand why people complain about the "nightmare traffic" from all of the retail stores on 441. Anyone who travels to that area to shop will have to deal with this traffic. It doesn't matter where you live in The Villages, north, south, east or west of this corridor of retail. Once I leave that area and travel back home, within The Villages, there is no traffic. The traffic is only where the stores are. LSL has a bit more traffic but that is not nearly what one will deal with on 441. When I pass the LSL Round a Bout, there is no traffic. I do believe, however, once that ongoing construction on 441 is completed, the "nightmare" traffic will be much more tolerable.

As an aside, I'm glad I live very close to the retail corridor on 441. I wouldn't have it any other way. I like the convenience. Points south in The Villages are much further away to the 441 retail corridor than 10 minutes as you said.

[Bill14564]

So I'll apologize if my post "sounded angry", that really wasn't my intent. Although, I was a little exercised at driving 30 minutes from Sumter to the "south" and not even finding a decent place to have lunch.

...

Of you missed Sawgrass, Edna's, Fenney, and Reveille (or worse, stuck your nose up at them without even trying) then it would be best for you to stay in more familiar territory. South of 44 is pretty nice and only getting better.

[frayedends]

Edna’s is building a restaurant building to replace the food trucks. But the op doesn’t even know that. He is basing his opinion on driving through construction areas and saying they aren’t as nice as up north.

[Marathon Man]

So I'll apologize if my post "sounded angry", that really wasn't my intent. Although, I was a little exercised at driving 30 minutes from Sumter to the "south" and not even finding a decent place to have lunch.

That said, a better characterization of what I saw in the south, was that it's "off brand", to steal a word from today's marketing world.

I think the big secret weapon that made The Villages and Gary Morse so successful, is the homogeneous nature of demographic they targeted. While some folks crave more varied experiences, the older we get, the more habitual and narrow-minded most people seem to get. I think The Villages concept is the proof. White, upper-middle class, 60+ year old Republicans who play golf, and didn't live close to an ocean, seem to make up the vast majority of the population here. A generation of Middle America, headed to TV.

I suspect the southern area is more diversified, younger and folks likely have different expectations. A couple of other posters mentioned, they've see a clear change in the marketing concept and target demographic. It remains to be seen, how successful it will be.
In my mind, it's definitely "off brand" and dilutes the brand. Sort of like when Mercedes started selling those cute little soccer mom SUV's or when Chevrolet started putting 6 cylinder engines in Camaros (or Kia trying to become a performance brand). Being everything for everyone, is a tough sell.

As for the comment about the folks at Lakewood Ranch getting ready to die, you should visit there and see it for yourself. The majority of LR is not age-restricted, although Mick Jagger recently sold his home there, so there are some older folks. If Keith Richards decides to move there, that'll move the age demographic up a notch.

Nice back pedal. However, your intent seemed clear. It was too far over the line not to be seen as angry and uncalled for.

[VApeople]

We live north of Route 44 and we often go down to the new Southern villages because of the wonderful amenities they have.

[sowilts]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.
We live at the Village of Linden and it is paradise. 😎 We are very happy with the changes. Home keeps going up in value. Also 10 minutes from my Brother.

[dewilson58]

Nice back pedal. However, your intent seemed clear. It was too far over the line not to be seen as angry and uncalled for.

:BigApplause:

[Regorp]

OP, I’m not a huge fan of what has been built south of 44 up to now but I don’t think your assessment is fair and accurate for what potentially will be south of 44 in five to seven years from now. More golf courses, another square with shops and restaurants, Eastport and not to mention the new multi-million dollar school complex and Middleton you never saw or mentioned. After many years in TV, we are currently living happily in our fourth village. We were one of the first to build south of 466A and if we were a bit younger would be pioneering Eastport or one of the other planned villages southeast of Eastport. I believe the best is yet to come to The Villages south of 44. The children and grandchildren of Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse will see that the “dream” will continue.

We live in DeLuna south of 44 and could not be happier with our decision. Our son bought in Middleton and loves it. We love our NEW homes and would not want an old rickety one north. And looking forward to Eastport with the amenities it will provide

[coffeebean]

You are going to take a lot of flack from people on here because your tone was aggressive. Your point is not entirely off base imo.

Yes, what third 3rd or 4th generation is creating is a draw for outsiders to come play golf within T V at Champion courses while still prividing basic executive courses, and minimum mvp nature excursions. They can't create what was done up north in what used to be beautiful flat grazing meadows. All the moving of dirt they do won't ever equal the rolling hills and shadey paths North of 44. They would go broke.

People buying houses online from out of state, who have never been to T V don't know the difference, they don't care about visuals or price is appealling or they fall for "the new center" verbage used to sell all new areas near public squares.

I have lived in Cental FL since 1987 and grew up in New England. The FL landscape is a whole different "animal" than say even NC. FL is for the most part bone flat accept Clermont (lol the new T V shopping district).
When I saw what was created up by Sumter, down through Brownwood I was sold. I longed for rolling hills and shade trees like up north in the US.

What is being built in what T V is SELLING as the new center (verbage is all it is) is typical FL development. Flat, stripped out moss covered SCRUB live oak trees. T V did impressively moved a very old majestic oak tree to the sunset island. They replaced scrub live oaks with a few palms trees and put in very basic plants, and other little elements that do not even remotely demonstrate what T V used to be capable of North of 44.

To someone thawing out from harsh winters its quite lovely - to a long time Floridian the area looks almost barren (water bills for irrigation not so much fun lol). Some will say be patient, the plants will grow. Not even close.

Count the actual TREES being planted in Sawgrass/Eastport area... palms are considered weeds lol (Palm Beach is removing them to appease "climate" verbage). Scimping doesn't fill in a landscape but after all we are in bad economy right now lol.

There is a difference but in the end T V is a very special place. Freedom via fun golf cart riding amungst many many other things. While its not as over the top creative, the concept behind the lifestyle makes still makes T V, even in the new "center of T V", have to laugh, a great place to live.

Btw, one of your findings for sure is indeed off. I just sold my home within walking distance of Ednas (moved closer to Sumter Landing). True fact, when the snowbirds are here you can't park to get your mail. Very popular place. Close to Brownwood. The location sold my house.

Gee, I've never had a problem parking the car or cart at the mail center at Mallory Square and I live here full time. What time do you go to get your mail that there is no parking when snow birds are here?

[margaretmattson]

Building on both sides of the Turnpike required a change in format. Tucked further away from the highway, Eastport is a return to the family's tried and true. Three Championship golf courses with Country Clubs, several executive courses, and a large town square similar to LSL and Brownwood. If you look at the map of their remaining land, Eastport will be in the middle of the Villages once development is complete. What they will build is anyone's guess. The cities have the final say.

[BrianL99]

Of you missed Sawgrass, Edna's, Fenney, and Reveille (or worse, stuck your nose up at them without even trying) then it would be best for you to stay in more familiar territory. South of 44 is pretty nice and only getting better.

No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.

[Bogie Shooter]

No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.

Maybe this will help the next time you venture away from home.
Home - Fenney Grill | Breakfast • Lunch • Casual Dinner : Fenney Grill | Breakfast • Lunch • Casual Dinner (https://fenneygrill.com/)

BTW, in the three years of your posting how many non-negative posts have there been?

[vintageogauge]

No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.

If you didn't see anyplace to eat in Fenney you weren't in Fenney. May be this was all a dream as you sure don't know the south as we that live herre do.

[dewilson58]

Sometimes you only find what you are looking for.

[maistocars]

From 5-9pm, Sawgrass is packed - not a seat to be had and we go by there almost every night. Also, no shortage of beautiful bike, walking and nature trails down South, something the Northern areas can only dream of. To each his own......

[SHIBUMI]

AARNOLD moved from the Villages to Lakewood Ranch. When asked how he liked i:spoken:t there, he said, "I'LL BE BACK'!





No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.

[frayedends]

Brian, Edna is actually replacing the food trucks with a permanent building. Apart from that you have to realize the food truck revolution that’s happened recently. They are no longer like canteen trucks at auto body shops. They generally have very good food.

You also missed the entire market at Sawgrass with multiple restaurants (food court style). Maybe not your cup of tea. But lots of choices. That’s what us younger folks are looking for.

[Miboater]

No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.

Did you even go inside the big market building when you went to Sawgrass? There's a inside bar, a pizza place, a burger place, a seafood place, a dessert place, a coffee place, a Villages Grown store, a meat market, a teaching kitchen and the Southern Oaks pro shop.

[asianthree]

I live in the LSL area. I'm still trying to understand why people complain about the "nightmare traffic" from all of the retail stores on 441. Anyone who travels to that area to shop will have to deal with this traffic. It doesn't matter where you live in The Villages, north, south, east or west of this corridor of retail. Once I leave that area and travel back home, within The Villages, there is no traffic. The traffic is only where the stores are. LSL has a bit more traffic but that is not nearly what one will deal with on 441. When I pass the LSL Round a Bout, there is no traffic. I do believe, however, once that ongoing construction on 441 is completed, the "nightmare" traffic will be much more tolerable.

As an aside, I'm glad I live very close to the retail corridor on 441. I wouldn't have it any other way. I like the convenience. Points south in The Villages are much further away to the 441 retail corridor than 10 minutes as you said.

Bonus in the South many don’t need the retail, that the older residents crave. 90% of our grocery arrive at our front door. WD @ LSL was zero parking today when I drove through, birds must be down early

I have a personal shopper for 15 years. Box comes to my door, complete outfits to mix and match. All fits perfectly, style, and color is greatly enhanced. It would take weeks of shopping different stores to come up with selections. Keep what I absolutely love, FedEx picks up what I choose to send back free of charge. Time spent 15 minutes total.

Our Amazon driver get Christmas cookies and a gift card, he visits our house more than family:MOJE_whot:

I just got my CC spending wheel. Online grocery 41%, Amazon 21%, online shopping and Travel airfare 18%, Restaurants 10%, Auto cost 8% (maintenance and gas Disney trips), brick and mortar shopping 2%.

Stats are normally the same for last 11 years, our kids haven’t been in a Brick and Mortar in more than 15 years, but their restaurant spend is 50% online 47%.

My apps price shop for anything I need, then buy from the site with the best price. For those who keep a budget in place, online, keeps one from buying useless, needless stuff one really doesn’t need.

[coffeebean]

Bonus in the South many don’t need the retail, that the older residents crave. 90% of our grocery arrive at our front door. WD @ LSL was zero parking today when I drove through, birds must be down early

I have a personal shopper for 15 years. Box comes to my door, complete outfits to mix and match. All fits perfectly, style, and color is greatly enhanced. It would take weeks of shopping different stores to come up with selections. Keep what I absolutely love, FedEx picks up what I choose to send back free of charge. Time spent 15 minutes total.

Our Amazon driver get Christmas cookies and a gift card, he visits our house more than family:MOJE_whot:

I just got my CC spending wheel. Online grocery 41%, Amazon 21%, online shopping and Travel airfare 18%, Restaurants 10%, Auto cost 8% (maintenance and gas Disney trips), brick and mortar shopping 2%.

Stats are normally the same for last 11 years, our kids haven’t been in a Brick and Mortar in more than 15 years, but their restaurant spend is 50% online 47%.

My apps price shop for anything I need, then buy from the site with the best price. For those who keep a budget in place, online, keeps one from buying useless, needless stuff one really doesn’t need.
I guess I'm old fashioned because I still much prefer to shop in brick and mortar stores. Don't get me wrong.....I do shop on Amazon for some items.

When I mentioned the retail corridor, I meant restaurants too. There are so many choices of restaurants in that corridor and that is not something you can order on Amazon. Besides retail, there are countless medical offices located on 441. I just like living close to these things.

[Altavia]

No, I went to Sawgrass and other than McGrady's, there's no where to eat. I went to Edna's, but I don't eat from job site trailers. I didn't see anyplace in Fenney to eat and I don't have a clue what Reveille is.


Reveille is a decent breakfast/lunch place, similar to First Watch.

At Magnolia Plaza, you also missed:. Willie Jewels BBQ, Marco's Pizza, China Chef, Foxtail Coffee & Kelly's icecream, and McDonald's.

Multiple food places inside Sawgrass as mentioned elsewhere.

There's a Dunkin Donuts in Fenny.

Construction of Harry and the Natives restaurant next
to Lake Okahumpka Recreation is starting. Plans call for a 5,000 square foot building, a 2,500 square foot tiki hut along the waterfront, a stage and indoor and outdoor bars. The restaurant is expected to open late 2024.

Downtown Middleton announced 4 Rivers Smokehouse signed a Lease in that commercial area. A grocery store, bank, pharmacy, gas station/convenience store, coffee shop, ice cream shop, sports bar, family gastro pub, Italian restaurant, pizzeria, sub shop, sushi restaurant and a breakfast and lunch restaurant are planned.

More to come in Middleton.

[Pat2015]

Yet more new homes have been sold in TV than pre-owned homes in large numbers for the last two quarters per TV sales reports. Lots of people don’t share your feelings and want to be in a new house, and in a new area in TV. To each their own..

[Pat2015]

It's called success.

Thousands and thousands of people buying South of 44.
Exactly, and more people are buying new homes in the south which were in two Villages in the last two quarters, then preowned homes in TV which spans how many Villages?

[Pat2015]

When in the history of mankind have the kids who inherited their father's dream ever successfully kept it alive?

The South isn't bad. It's still superior to any of the dozens of other retirement communities we looked at all over the country and Florida. But it's undeniably a shadow of what Schwartz and Morse built.

And that's a crying shame, when you realize that we're only halfway through the Baby Boom retirement!

The sad fact of life is, without benefit of "The Dream", the children of every inherited successful endeavor inevitably order their accountants to squeeze every last drop of profit from the enterprise -- as it slowly fades away. There is no profit in building another Sumter Landing south of 44 -- not when you need cash now to support your Florida ranch and your hobby polo field, or your faltering Hollywood career.

It's just a fact of life. No point in whining about it. It's totally out of our control, anyway. Instead of dwelling on it, lets just continue to enjoy The Dream while it lasts -- which will be longer than any of us.
No profit in building a Sumter Landing south of 44? Why is Eastport being built??

[patfla06]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

I have no comments on South of 44.

My comments are you saying to take a look at Lakewood Ranch.

I lived in Tampa for many years & looked at Lakewood Ranch.
Manatee County has a lot of crime, heavy traffic, high taxes & prices.
It was way too busy for us. If I wanted what they offer I would have stayed in Tampa.

You would also have more worry about Hurricanes. No thanks!!

[Ashley from UK]

Not angry at all, you just missed the point.

I'm trying to understand why the Developer would change the most successful residential construction business model in the USA and cater to a different demographic.
Because times are changing and so are future retirees.

Live (shock statement) is not all about golf. Some of us like other activities - such as long distance running. The south has that and more with multiple paths/routes.

The trucks - my wife hates - I’m nutral - my kids love. They are the current/future dining trends and therefore the future for TV. Young don’t drink they graze.

As mentioned Sawgrass is packed so TV certainly got that right.

Eastport is centred on being active and based on a European theme. Brilliant new ideas and something different. We love our day/evening trips to different parts of TV - it removes the boredom of the same old. Meeting you g and old

I applaud the developer for their foresight and guts in evolving. They are clearly watching, studying and listening to their future clientele and evolving the idea… this is is winning formula that is the envy of other developers and why they are sooooo successful.

[RedWingNut]

No doubt Mr Brian L is entitled to his opinion, that’s the beauty of this country we don’t need to think the same. The first question I have is why do people feel the need to tell everyone what they think ?? The second question is who really cares ??

[Kelevision]

Interesting thread. I live south of 44. I chose south of 44 for a reason. I stayed in 3 different areas in the northern area before I bought. I didn’t love the new landscaping but I decided the openness of the southern area was appealing to me. So, just yesterday I had to run an errand in the north section and I now know why I never go up that way. THE TRAFFIC….. nobody knows how to drive roundabouts. Wow, it was an experience to say the least. I’ll stick with heading over to Orlando in the future. It’s much less stressful. Lol

[Normal]

Interesting thread. I live south of 44. I chose south of 44 for a reason. I stayed in 3 different areas in the northern area before I bought. I didn’t love the new landscaping but I decided the openness of the southern area was appealing to me. So, just yesterday I had to run an errand in the north section and I now know why I never go up that way. THE TRAFFIC….. nobody knows how to drive roundabouts. Wow, it was an experience to say the least. I’ll stick with heading over to Orlando in the future. It’s much less stressful. Lol

I know, we love it here! Not a day goes by when we aren’t saying,”Wasn’t this the best choice to move to The Villages?”

[Papa_lecki]

[QUOTE=BrianL99;2272655]

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar

How crowded is LSL or Brownwood any afternoon?

Is Sawgrass a small square or a new concept larger country club?

Think about it, country clubs have a restaurant (i.e. McGrady’s); and Sawgrass has bonus places inside, with a bar (which seems important to Villagers.

Many country clubs have pools - BUT with many homeowners putting pools in, they decided to put an entertainment stage and bar at Southern Oaks country club.

Change your view of the place, and Sawgrass (i.e. Southern Oaks Country Club) becomes a different venue.

[mikeycereal]

Not angry at all.

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[PersonOfInterest]

I'm wondering where the OP lived before coming to the Northern part of the Villages. Its quite amusing to think that someone would spend the time to tell everyone what they don't like about somewhere rather than express what they like about some location. OP please tell us what you think of NY, Miami, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh and Orlando and the billion other places that you don't live.

[schletterer]

In my 3 years in TV, my exposure to the "South" has been limited to 1 trip to look at some furniture & 1 trip in my golf cart, to play Southern Oaks.

Today, giving my back a rest from daily golf, I took the opportunity to cruise the entire southern area.

The next person who tells me "the South is going to be the "Center of The Villages", I'm going to ask what they're smokin', 'cause I want to buy some.

What the Developer created in the Orange Blossom, Sumter Landing and Brownwood areas, is the envy of residential real estate developers, around the world. What Mr. Morse's heirs have done with the South, is appalling. It is "The Villages" in name only.

I also took the opportunity to visit Sawgrass Grove. It makes OTOTW's "center" look like a thriving place. The "Market" had less than 30 people in the entire building (3 pm). The only restaurant (McGrady's), was about 1/3 full and mostly just drinkers at the bar.

I've heard a lot about "Edna's on the Green". Stupid me, I thought it was a restaurant. It's a ugly food trailer ... and no one was there.

If folks were required to look at Lakewood Ranch, prior to buying in the Villages South, home sales would grind to a screeching halt.

It was like being in a foreign country.

FLAK jacket on.

I agree 100%. I have several addition items I could add to how the developer has cheated south of 44. Most of the residents south of 44 are new to the villages and somewhat unaware of what the north of 44 has to offer. We are media blasted with the fantastic "things to come" south of 44. Don't be fooled about Eastport, it's is only being built so developers can make money - not for the benefit of the villagers. The last 3 years we listened to how the new high school was going to make the villages wonderful. It didn't enrich anything for residents. But the developer most likely made millions since the does nothing unless there are big bucks in it for them. It took 4 years to build Brownwood. Nail salons and investment storefronts don't excite residents. There is a financial reason the developer is unable to attract perspective businesses that would enrich peoples lives south of 44. The father and Harold Schwartz were business people who intended to make money but were able to keep the residents satisfaction in mind. When Gary was alive they would send a comprehensive survey out every year. Now, they don't care what we think. No, I'm not moving. Just feel cheated.

[dewilson58]

No, I'm not moving. Just feel cheated.

It's call Due Diligence..........sorry you forgot to perform.

(on ToTV for over 15 years)

:ohdear:

[frayedends]

I agree 100%. I have several addition items I could add to how the developer has cheated south of 44. Most of the residents south of 44 are new to the villages and somewhat unaware of what the north of 44 has to offer. We are media blasted with the fantastic "things to come" south of 44. Don't be fooled about Eastport, it's is only being built so developers can make money - not for the benefit of the villagers. The last 3 years we listened to how the new high school was going to make the villages wonderful. It didn't enrich anything for residents. But the developer most likely made millions since the does nothing unless there are big bucks in it for them. It took 4 years to build Brownwood. Nail salons and investment storefronts don't excite residents. There is a financial reason the developer is unable to attract perspective businesses that would enrich peoples lives south of 44. The father and Harold Schwartz were business people who intended to make money but were able to keep the residents satisfaction in mind. When Gary was alive they would send a comprehensive survey out every year. Now, they don't care what we think. No, I'm not moving. Just feel cheated.

I’m kinda baffled by this. I bought in lake Denham. What’s coming in Eastport is exactly what I was hoping for. I love Sawgrass Grove. I’m only a 30 min cart ride to Brownwood. I like that Middleton will have young families. One of my concerns about a retirement community was being to isolated from younger folks. The developer can’t make millions putting in businesses people don’t want to use. It’s a win win.

[Mrs S]

Very well written.

[Ptmcbriz]

The construction on the new square, Eastport, has just begun. I’ve lived south of 44 for two years now. The rare occasion I have to venture up to 466 or above,I swear I won’t go back up there again. It’s just too congested. The open spaces and plenty of nature down south is what sold me. I love the wildlife. They say Eastport will be very different with the mile long lake it sits on and its theme will be European design with meandering alleyways of boutiques and a beautiful island on the lake connected by a pedestrian bridge to watch boat races and sunsets. No doubt the north is full of trees and is beautiful, but I feel it doesn’t offer the many activities new to the south. Also, one of the main reasons I bought in the south is because it only offers the Veranda homes. You can’t buy them north of 44. Each section of TV offers something a little different. That’s why it’s so popular. It can appeal to everyone.

[oldtimes]

Are you people so desperate for something to do that you have to come to TOTV and trash where other people live? That is just sad.

[asianthree]

I guess I'm old fashioned because I still much prefer to shop in brick and mortar stores. Don't get me wrong.....I do shop on Amazon for some items.

When I mentioned the retail corridor, I meant restaurants too. There are so many choices of restaurants in that corridor and that is not something you can order on Amazon. Besides retail, there are countless medical offices located on 441. I just like living close to these things.

Not old fashion, but older gen.

Some ages needs the sight and touch perception to buy items, or spend time with others. Since many younger gens usually buy only certain products, LuLu, lemon for one, you don’t need to go to stores.

I do find many younger residents have our habits to eat out on occasion, or have a prepared food service, because let’s face it, why eat mediocre food when one can prepare better at home. If we do dine out it’s in Gainesville, Orlando, anywhere in TV is rarely on our radar.

As far as the need to be close to medical offices, remember residents in the south are far younger, medical can be a one and done a year. We are so close to other towns we can use multiple facilities, that one time a year.

Our parents in their 80s have the new found shop/grocery online, Mom says it saves so much time and they don’t have to waste time and gas to find a green/yellow banana :1rotfl:

[Dotneko]

Having lived in St Catherine for 2 1/2 years now, I cannot imagine living anywhere else. (it is where Sawgrass Grove was built) We do venture up to the northern section probably 4x a month in both the golf cart and car. Living with all those strip malls doesnt appeal to me at all. It is refreshing to come back home. You can breathe the air down here lol. Added bonus, when I need to travel to MCO or Disney, both are now less than an hour away.

[asianthree]

Gee, I've never had a problem parking the car or cart at the mail center at Mallory Square and I live here full time. What time do you go to get your mail that there is no parking when snow birds are here?

Poster is referring to mail station in the same parking lot as Edna’s. If you ever travel that way near 4pm, no a parking space to be had for starter shack, pool, mailbox, and pitch and putt. It was the # one reason we didn’t buy backing up to Edna’s and the pitch and putt.
Your postal station, is just that a parking lot with a adult pool mailboxes, no entertainment on property

[Justputt]

We're in Dabney, and while the cart ride to town squares is a run, I'm okay with that. I have a designer with a preserve view, quiet, not so close the Rec Center noise will be a problem, yet easy to get to. As for Eastport, sure, it's a haul in a cart up to the new bridge and back down to Eastport, or I can just jump in a car drive down 470 and be there in 5mins. Life is short, so I'll take the 5min run. There are plenty of houses for sale around TV (older and new areas), and we each make choices that suit us. IMO, I would never buy without doing at least a lifestyle visit, as it was an eyeopener for many things, but mostly the house plan we thought we wanted was an "oh no" once we saw it in person. As for the developers, I think they've done pretty well. Things are attractive, maintained, and sure, 100% of the people will never be 100% happy. We've all seen older rundown, ill maintained, worn-out amenities, stagnated developments, so I'm happy this development is maintained and growing, but I do worry about infrastructure and mainly roads and traffic/traffic jams.

[photo1902]

Poster is referring to mail station in the same parking lot as Edna’s. If you ever travel that way near 4pm, no a parking space to be had for starter shack, pool, mailbox, and pitch and putt. It was the # one reason we didn’t buy backing up to Edna’s and the pitch and putt.
Your postal station, is just that a parking lot with a adult pool mailboxes, no entertainment on property

I've never understood why people feel the need to get their mail the same time every day, typically as the mail is being delivered. It never ceases to amaze me.

[Djean1981]

I love the south. I love the nature trails and wildlife, and the rec centers have plenty of art and crafts and exercise activities. But, if you NEED lots of restaurants, bars, and shops, it's not for you. I hate shopping and although we do like Prima in Brownwood, the restaurants in the villages are mediocre at best - (some are mainly a venue to sell alcohol). There are no restaurants that serve healthy low carb food except a bla salad. Most of the overpriced food is pretty much the same, so we cook ourselves - and our food is way better. Basically, comparing the north and south is comparing apples to oranges. They are for different clientele. Why be upset? - if you don't like an area, simply don't buy there.

[vintageogauge]

Several replies noted that the south is missing out on all of the amenities the north has. Can someone list what those amenities are? I feel that the south has many more amenities than up north I think the only thing we don't have is horse shoes.

[coffeebean]

Exactly, and more people are buying new homes in the south which were in two Villages in the last two quarters, then preowned homes in TV which spans how many Villages?

Is it possible there are less pre-owned homes on the market?

[coffeebean]

Interesting thread. I live south of 44. I chose south of 44 for a reason. I stayed in 3 different areas in the northern area before I bought. I didn’t love the new landscaping but I decided the openness of the southern area was appealing to me. So, just yesterday I had to run an errand in the north section and I now know why I never go up that way. THE TRAFFIC….. nobody knows how to drive roundabouts. Wow, it was an experience to say the least. I’ll stick with heading over to Orlando in the future. It’s much less stressful. Lol
Seriously???? I grew up on Long Island and drove in South Florida and New Jersey. The Belt Parkway in Brooklyn and Queens is another drive I would take. THAT is traffic with crazy drivers. The Villages is a walk in the park, including the RABs. I guess it is all a matter of perspective.

[Bogie Shooter]

Several replies noted that the south is missing out on all of the amenities the north has. Can someone list what those amenities are? I feel that the south has many more amenities than up north I think the only thing we don't have is horse shoes.

As if it really made any difference.
This north south crap is just that…….crap.

[VApeople]

I feel that the south has many more amenities than up north

I completely agree.

That is why we often drive to the Southern Area to enjoy the amenities that we do not have north of Route 44.

[Djean1981]

As if it really made any difference.
This north south crap is just that…….crap.
True. It's sort of like... some people will be forever upset about Katie Bells. Lol. Change happens.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

True. It's sort of like... some people will be forever upset about Katie Bells. Lol. Change happens. I wish you hadn’t brought that up, now they’ll be a couple of hundred posts on why the family let Katie Bells close , most written by people who never went there and probably some of the same people who go on about the north and south thing.I can tell you from my experience moving as the villages moved from the northern tip to the southern tip and back to above 466a in six different homes in 20 something years , it’s been good everywhere , just different

[Dusty_Star]

I've never understood why people feel the need to get their mail the same time every day, typically as the mail is being delivered. It never ceases to amaze me.

Maybe there are checks in the mail?

[mikemalloy]

When we first moved here about 10 yrs. ago the "established" community was the area surrounding SS. Over time I've seen Hacienda CC actually disappear. Gone too is Katie Belles and a number of restaurants in the SS square area. It seems that the area is stagnating.
The Brownwood area continues to grow and prosper. Richmond East is beginning to take shape and a new restaurant on the shores of Lake Okahumpka is scheduled to break ground soon. A new pizzeria just opened in Magnolia plaza.
I'm not sure what the OP writer's idea of a desirable place to live is. For me, it's a place where new businesses arise and established ones thrive.

[Normal]

When we first moved here about 10 yrs. ago the "established" community was the area surrounding SS. Over time I've seen Hacienda CC actually disappear. Gone too is Katie Belles and a number of restaurants in the SS square area. It seems that the area is stagnating.
The Brownwood area continues to grow and prosper. Richmond East is beginning to take shape and a new restaurant on the shores of Lake Okahumpka is scheduled to break ground soon. A new pizzeria just opened in Magnolia plaza.
I'm not sure what the OP writer's idea of a desirable place to live is. For me, it's a place where new businesses arise and established ones thrive.

Leave the poor guy alone, it’s probably just a cognitive disability.

[Debfrommaine]

Are you people so desperate for something to do that you have to come to TOTV and trash where other people live? That is just sad.

Well written. I don't understand the power trip either. We have choices, we are all different. Live and let live. I've lived north and south, loved all my homes for different reasons. The developer does a great job.

[coffeebean]

Not old fashion, but older gen.

Some ages needs the sight and touch perception to buy items, or spend time with others. Since many younger gens usually buy only certain products, LuLu, lemon for one, you don’t need to go to stores.

I do find many younger residents have our habits to eat out on occasion, or have a prepared food service, because let’s face it, why eat mediocre food when one can prepare better at home. If we do dine out it’s in Gainesville, Orlando, anywhere in TV is rarely on our radar.

As far as the need to be close to medical offices, remember residents in the south are far younger, medical can be a one and done a year. We are so close to other towns we can use multiple facilities, that one time a year.

Our parents in their 80s have the new found shop/grocery online, Mom says it saves so much time and they don’t have to waste time and gas to find a green/yellow banana :1rotfl:
Agree. I’m definitely part of the older generation as I approach my mid 70s. It’s good to know that folks down south can use medical facilities in neighboring towns that are closer to them. That is a win win.

[coffeebean]

Having lived in St Catherine for 2 1/2 years now, I cannot imagine living anywhere else. (it is where Sawgrass Grove was built) We do venture up to the northern section probably 4x a month in both the golf cart and car. Living with all those strip malls doesnt appeal to me at all. It is refreshing to come back home. You can breathe the air down here lol. Added bonus, when I need to travel to MCO or Disney, both are now less than an hour away.
I don’t live among those strip malls. Just like you, I head back home when I’m done shopping and drive into my quiet neighborhood, down my very quiet street to my own little slice of heaven. I’m just happy to be a ten minute car drive away from the hustle bustle of the 441 corridor.

[coffeebean]

Poster is referring to mail station in the same parking lot as Edna’s. If you ever travel that way near 4pm, no a parking space to be had for starter shack, pool, mailbox, and pitch and putt. It was the # one reason we didn’t buy backing up to Edna’s and the pitch and putt.
Your postal station, is just that a parking lot with a adult pool mailboxes, no entertainment on property

Oh. I misunderstood. Thanks for the correction. 😊

[golfing eagles]

I wish you hadn’t brought that up, now they’ll be a couple of hundred posts on why the family let Katie Bells close , most written by people who never went there and probably some of the same people who go on about the north and south thing.I can tell you from my experience moving as the villages moved from the northern tip to the southern tip and back to above 466a in six different homes in 20 something years , it’s been good everywhere , just different

Or the people who went to Katie Belle's to drink water or just one ice tea all night, if anyone was wondering why it closed.

[lawgolfer]

For those living south of 44, the battle cry seems to be "The South Will Rise Again".

The Villages is a unique and wonderful place. Living in any part of TV is many grades above the places from where most of us moved.

The South is lacking in many of the amenities we enjoy in the North. This is recognized by the developer and it has detailed plans that, when completed, will provide the residents in the South with a lifestyle that will be the equivalent of that which we enjoy in the North, if not better. For whatever reason, the developer proceeded to build houses before the amenities. This has resulted in many of the disparaging comments made about the South. Completing the three additional championship golf courses would resolve any complaints I would have if I lived in the South.

Having said all that, I'm compelled to ask: "Who approved the color palate for houses in the South?" Some of those blues and greens are offensive.

[HoosierPa]

Southern folks are the best!

[Dotneko]

For those living south of 44, the battle cry seems to be "The South Will Rise Again".

The Villages is a unique and wonderful place. Living in any part of TV is many grades above the places from where most of us moved.

The South is lacking in many of the amenities we enjoy in the North. This is recognized by the developer and it has detailed plans that, when completed, will provide the residents in the South with a lifestyle that will be the equivalent of that which we enjoy in the North, if not better. For whatever reason, the developer proceeded to build houses before the amenities. This has resulted in many of the disparaging comments made about the South. Completing the three additional championship golf courses would resolve any complaints I would have if I lived in the South.

Having said all that, I'm compelled to ask: "Who approved the color palate for houses in the South?" Some of those blues and greens are offensive.

Can you list the 'many' amenities that you have up north that we lack down here? The ONLY complaint i have is that if I want to go bowling, I have to either leave the bubble and go a bit down 44 or drive all the way to Spanish Springs. I have no other reason to head up there. We golf about 6 times a year. Never on the championships - really, paying for golf?? - I just dont get that.
Just trying to figure out what I am missing....

[MrChip72]

Or the people who went to Katie Belle's to drink water or just one ice tea all night, if anyone was wondering why it closed.

I think the same people that want it to come back are just missing having a place to hang out in the evening for the price of one non-alcoholic beverage.

[Bogie Shooter]

For those living south of 44, the battle cry seems to be "The South Will Rise Again".

The Villages is a unique and wonderful place. Living in any part of TV is many grades above the places from where most of us moved.

The South is lacking in many of the amenities we enjoy in the North. This is recognized by the developer and it has detailed plans that, when completed, will provide the residents in the South with a lifestyle that will be the equivalent of that which we enjoy in the North, if not better. For whatever reason, the developer proceeded to build houses before the amenities. This has resulted in many of the disparaging comments made about the South. Completing the three additional championship golf courses would resolve any complaints I would have if I lived in the South.

Having said all that, I'm compelled to ask: "Who approved the color palate for houses in the South?" Some of those blues and greens are offensive.

You were doing so well……and then that nice little dig was tossed in.:shrug:

[Pat2015]

Is it possible there are less pre-owned homes on the market?
I don’t know how many preowned or new houses were for sale in TV in the last two quarters, but I do know that the few villages with the new houses out sold the entirety of all the remaining villages here. Also, the days on market (30) for new home sales was almost half of the needed sales time for a preowned property.

[coffeebean]

For those living south of 44, the battle cry seems to be "The South Will Rise Again".

The Villages is a unique and wonderful place. Living in any part of TV is many grades above the places from where most of us moved.

The South is lacking in many of the amenities we enjoy in the North. This is recognized by the developer and it has detailed plans that, when completed, will provide the residents in the South with a lifestyle that will be the equivalent of that which we enjoy in the North, if not better. For whatever reason, the developer proceeded to build houses before the amenities. This has resulted in many of the disparaging comments made about the South. Completing the three additional championship golf courses would resolve any complaints I would have if I lived in the South.

Having said all that, I'm compelled to ask: "Who approved the color palate for houses in the South?" Some of those blues and greens are offensive.

I agree about the dark colors for the homes. I haven't seen what colors are being used in the south but I have seen a home on Odell Circle that is BLACK. No, it is not a very dark grey......it is BLACK. Not to my liking and I'm sure glad I don't have to look at it all the time. I cannot believe that "color" was approved by ARC.

There are some homes in our area by LSL that are painted dark blues and browns. They look so out of place in our community. In northern states, those colors blend in nicely.....here in Florida not so much.

[jimjamuser]

You may not know this, but when TV first crossed 466 and they started building Lake Sumter Landing, the residents of the time thought "Who would ever want to live way down there?"

I think the area south of 44 will look a whole lot different once Eastport becomes the 4th town square, the 3 (maybe more) championship golf courses are open as well as 6+ execs, and the commercial areas are built. Patience, grasshopper, patience.
So, basically, I need to wait because MORE golf courses will significantly improve my life? O.K.

[coffeebean]

I don’t know how many preowned or new houses were for sale in TV in the last two quarters, but I do know that the few villages with the new houses out sold the entirety of all the remaining villages here. Also, the days on market (30) for new home sales was almost half of the needed sales time for a preowned property.

That statistic for days on the market is very telling. Maybe the pre-owned homes were priced too high?

[JMintzer]

You were doing so well……and then that nice little dig was tossed in.:shrug:

A preference for certain colors is a "dig"?

Jame Gump might have some left over thick skin he might give you... :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

I agree about the dark colors for the homes. I haven't seen what colors are being used in the south but I have seen a home on Odell Circle that is BLACK. No, it is not a very dark grey......it is BLACK. Not to my liking and I'm sure glad I don't have to look at it all the time. I cannot believe that "color" was approved by ARC.

There are some homes in our area by LSL that are painted dark blues and browns. They look so out of place in our community. In northern states, those colors blend in nicely.....here in Florida not so much.

They are using a very dark Charcoal Gray (almost black) in the newer sections. THerefore, it's now allowed everywhere...

Not my preference, especially in the FL sun, but whatever winds your watch...

[JMintzer]

So, basically, I need to wait because MORE golf courses will significantly improve my life? O.K.

Nothing south of 44 will improve your life because you couldn't live farther from that area if you tried...

[JMintzer]

That statistic for days on the market is very telling. Maybe the pre-owned homes were priced too high?

I've said that, multiple times...

People still think it's Spring, 2020, when the Covid boom hit...

[Nana2Teddy]

Reveille is a decent breakfast/lunch place, similar to First Watch.

At Magnolia Plaza, you also missed:. Willie Jewels BBQ, Marco's Pizza, China Chef, Foxtail Coffee & Kelly's icecream, and McDonald's.

Multiple food places inside Sawgrass as mentioned elsewhere.

There's a Dunkin Donuts in Fenny.

Construction of Harry and the Natives restaurant next
to Lake Okahumpka Recreation is starting. Plans call for a 5,000 square foot building, a 2,500 square foot tiki hut along the waterfront, a stage and indoor and outdoor bars. The restaurant is expected to open late 2024.

Downtown Middleton announced 4 Rivers Smokehouse signed a Lease in that commercial area. A grocery store, bank, pharmacy, gas station/convenience store, coffee shop, ice cream shop, sports bar, family gastro pub, Italian restaurant, pizzeria, sub shop, sushi restaurant and a breakfast and lunch restaurant are planned.

More to come in Middleton.
Fenney has Fenney Grill, which we eat at often. Plus the Fenney resort style pool is connected to Fenney Grill, so you can order food and drinks poolside. It’s the only non-priority pool in TV where you can do this.

[lawgolfer]

Can you list the 'many' amenities that you have up north that we lack down here? The ONLY complaint i have is that if I want to go bowling, I have to either leave the bubble and go a bit down 44 or drive all the way to Spanish Springs. I have no other reason to head up there. We golf about 6 times a year. Never on the championships - really, paying for golf?? - I just dont get that.
Just trying to figure out what I am missing....

If you don't know what you're missing, it's because you haven't lived in the north. The north is a genuine community, with all that entails. Start with dozens of restaurants; access to the banks and stores on 466; stockbrokers, financial advisors, and insurance offices; a movie theatre; and, the biggest of all is access to numerous medical and dental offices, and pharmacies. Within the first week we lived here, my wife had acquired a new primary doctor and had an MRI of her knee at Lake Sumter. When I had my cataract operations, I drove my golf cart to/from the surgical center (there are at least three of these easily accessible by golf cart from our house). We have more community centers and recreation centers than I will ever visit. Finally, we have twelve championship courses with "clubhouses" and restaurants, all of which are within cart distance and more executive courses than I can count.,

Eventually, you will have all of these in the south and they are likely to be bigger and better. The difference is that we have them now, and I'm not sure I will be living in this world of toil and trouble by the time you get them. In your favor, you have new houses and appliances, while we have to remodel.

Also, if I'm going to be snarky, let's not forget the houses painted in those awful colors I saw when I last drove down Meggison Rd. or the drone of traffic on the Turnpike, which impacts many areas in the south. On a clear night we often hear the lonesome whistle of the train that runs through Oxford.

[margaretmattson]

Is it possible there are less pre-owned homes on the market?Investors are trying to make a huge profit when their new homes have reached the one year mark. Some raise the price nearly $100,000. They wait for that one buyer who wants to live in that particular village.

In the North, owners need to sell their homes at today's prices in order to repurchase another home. Some have been remodeled and that is an easy task. Homes that have not been remodeled...well! You've all seen them. No need to remark further.

Newly constructed homes are cheaper and I believe this is the reason why they are selling faster than preowned. Very few want to remodel or pay $50,0000 - $100,000 more for the exact model.

[Nana2Teddy]

I agree about the dark colors for the homes. I haven't seen what colors are being used in the south but I have seen a home on Odell Circle that is BLACK. No, it is not a very dark grey......it is BLACK. Not to my liking and I'm sure glad I don't have to look at it all the time. I cannot believe that "color" was approved by ARC.

There are some homes in our area by LSL that are painted dark blues and browns. They look so out of place in our community. In northern states, those colors blend in nicely.....here in Florida not so much.
There’s a home in Richmond that’s pink. Every time we pass by it we scratch our heads. We’ve never seen a pink house anywhere else in TV.

[vintageogauge]

If you don't know what you're missing, it's because you haven't lived in the north. The north is a genuine community, with all that entails. Start with dozens of restaurants; access to the banks and stores on 466; stockbrokers, financial advisors, and insurance offices; a movie theatre; and, the biggest of all is access to numerous medical and dental offices, and pharmacies. Within the first week we lived here, my wife had acquired a new primary doctor and had an MRI of her knee at Lake Sumter. When I had my cataract operations, I drove my golf cart to/from the surgical center (there are at least three of these easily accessible by golf cart from our house). We have more community centers and recreation centers than I will ever visit. Finally, we have twelve championship courses with "clubhouses" and restaurants, all of which are within cart distance and more executive courses than I can count.,

Eventually, you will have all of these in the south and they are likely to be bigger and better. The difference is that we have them now, and I'm not sure I will be living in this world of toil and trouble by the time you get them. In your favor, you have new houses and appliances, while we have to remodel.

Also, if I'm going to be snarky, let's not forget the houses painted in those awful colors I saw when I last drove down Meggison Rd. or the drone of traffic on the Turnpike, which impacts many areas in the south. On a clear night we often hear the lonesome whistle of the train that runs through Oxford.

You must have missed all of the medical facilities right on 44 with all of the specialists and yes, you can get a MRI there too. Lots of dentists down here, brand new free standing emergency room, and we're close to the Leesburg hospital and all of it's surrounding medical buildings. We too are within a ten minute drive to dozens of restaurants, the insurance, financial firms, banks, pharmacies, etc. all are within a 10 minute drive too. I've lived here for nearly 6 years and still have never heard turnpike noise, prison noise, or any noise for that matter, it's very quiet a peaceful in our area of the south.

[GoRedSox!]

I can say from first-hand experience that the resales of the former Lifestyle Visit homes in Alden Bungalows next to Brownwood literally sold like hot cakes. Very quickly. One time I looked on The Villages website, there were 26 homes pending in Alden Bungalows at the same time. This is within the last couple of months.

[JMintzer]

You must have missed all of the medical facilities right on 44 with all of the specialists and yes, you can get a MRI there too. Lots of dentists down here, brand new free standing emergency room, and we're close to the Leesburg hospital and all of it's surrounding medical buildings. We too are within a ten minute drive to dozens of restaurants, the insurance, financial firms, banks, pharmacies, etc. all are within a 10 minute drive too. I've lived here for nearly 6 years and still have never heard turnpike noise, prison noise, or any noise for that matter, it's very quiet a peaceful in our area of the south.

Only that ER on 44 is golf cart accessible, which is what the poster you quoted was talking about...

[PugMom]

The OP is hilarious. Obviously he hasn’t seen the future plans for Eastport and south. By the way I looked at Lakewood Ranch and bought in Lake Denham. Lakewood had nice homes and a rec center with a few people just waiting to die slumped in chairs.

my relatives who bought in lakewood ranch wished they had bought here instead

[frayedends]

my relatives who bought in lakewood ranch wished they had bought here instead

From what I remember, and I could certainly be wrong, each devolopment/area (village) in Lakewood was sort of isolated. You couldn't go to any other area by golf cart and you couldn't use amenities in any other area. We visited Cresswind, Del Webb, and one other that I forget. But they each had 1 clubhouse/rec center/pool and that was about it. No one in the rec centers were doing anything but sitting in chairs looking bored and very very old.

When we got to the Villages we were amazed at the difference.

[photo1902]

Only that ER on 44 is golf cart accessible, which is what the poster you quoted was talking about...

Off the top of my head I can easily think of three others on 44. The Villages Health Brownwood Care Center, The Villages Health Lake Deaton Care Center and Quest Diagnostics.

[photo1902]

Guess you really weren’t at LWR then.
No slumping here. More young than old folks.
Even Del Web people are extremely active.
I chose not to do 55 and over here.

Yet you’re on TOTV?

[vintageogauge]

Only that ER on 44 is golf cart accessible, which is what the poster you quoted was talking about...

That's not true, everything in and around brownwood is golf car accessible from the southern villages . Not the Leesburg hospital but who would go the hospital in a golf car?

[Bogie Shooter]

Yet you’re on TOTV?
With over 1200+ posts………..

[JMintzer]

Off the top of my head I can easily think of three others on 44. The Villages Health Brownwood Care Center, The Villages Health Lake Deaton Care Center and Quest Diagnostics.

The Brownwood Health Center isn't "technically" golf cart accessible. Yes, you can cut across a grassy area by the hotel to get there...

And yes, a new medical office building has opened in Lake Deaton Plaza.

And a lab? Okay, I guess that helps...

[JMintzer]

That's not true, everything in and around brownwood is golf car accessible from the southern villages . Not the Leesburg hospital but who would go the hospital in a golf car?

No one said Brownwood wasn't accessible. But that's not what we're talking about...

[photo1902]

The Brownwood Health Center isn't "technically" golf cart accessible. Yes, you can cut across a grassy area by the hotel to get there...

And yes, a new medical office building has opened in Lake Deaton Plaza.

And a lab? Okay, I guess that helps...

What “grassy area”?

The Villages Health Specialty Care Center for Advanced Healthcare at Brownwood (next to the Brownwood Hotel and Spa) and The Villages Health Brownwood Care Center are absolutely cart accessible.

[photo1902]

No one said Brownwood wasn't accessible. But that's not what we're talking about...

“We’re” talking about healthcare faciiities located along 44, of which there are numerous options, all of which are golf cart accessible.

[Gpsma]

What is with people that worry about everything being golf cart accessible?

Worried about spending a few cents in gas to use yoir car?

Oh gee…i have an emergency…get me there with a golf cart..so ridiculous

[JMintzer]

“We’re” talking about healthcare faciiities located along 44, of which there are numerous options, all of which are golf cart accessible.

Numerous options? Okay, if you say so.

Yes, there are a few options, but many more are needed...

Hell, I want more options, as I live just above 44, and the trek up to 466 is long...

[JMintzer]

What is with people that worry about everything being golf cart accessible?

Worried about spending a few cents in gas to use yoir car?

Oh gee…i have an emergency…get me there with a golf cart..so ridiculous

Many people only have 1 car. So, if that's in use, you only have one option...

Others have given up their cars completely...

[Dotneko]

The Brownwood Health Center isn't "technically" golf cart accessible. Yes, you can cut across a grassy area by the hotel to get there...

And yes, a new medical office building has opened in Lake Deaton Plaza.

And a lab? Okay, I guess that helps...

Yes, you can access both the Villages Health center AND the Center for Advanced Healthcare by golf cart. No cutting through any grassy area needed. Follow the cart path to the hotel front and then onto the roadway. You are not allowed to cross from Publix - you have to go around back.
Ive gone to several appointments there by cart.
In an emergency, I would either call 911 or go by auto.

[margaretmattson]

With over 1200+ posts………..Spoken from a man with over 18,000 posts. Looks like you win!

[MrChip72]

The Brownwood Health Center isn't "technically" golf cart accessible. Yes, you can cut across a grassy area by the hotel to get there...


What are you talking about? There's a Villages golf cart path that takes you directly to the Brownwood Hotel and Health Center. Part of their parking lot is shared even and there's no grassy area between the hotel and the health center at all.

[Bogie Shooter]

Spoken from a man with over 18,000 posts. Looks like you win!

Not in a contest.

[JMintzer]

Yes, you can access both the Villages Health center AND the Center for Advanced Healthcare by golf cart. No cutting through any grassy area needed. Follow the cart path to the hotel front and then onto the roadway. You are not allowed to cross from Publix - you have to go around back.
Ive gone to several appointments there by cart.
In an emergency, I would either call 911 or go by auto.

My mistake... Mea Culpa...

[JMintzer]

What are you talking about? There's a Villages golf cart path that takes you directly to the Brownwood Hotel and Health Center. Part of their parking lot is shared even and there's no grassy area between the hotel and the health center at all.

Yeah, I get it!

[BigSteph]

True. It's sort of like... some people will be forever upset about Katie Bells. Lol. Change happens.


I was in the Rohan Rec Center on Friday and noticed on the wall a sign for Katie Belle's -- I'm not sure if it is THE sign or a replica.

In any regard, I was glad to see it there.

[BigSteph]

A preference for certain colors is a "dig"?

Jame Gump might have some left over thick skin he might give you... :icon_wink:

It puts the colors on the house, it does what it is told.

[BigSteph]

There’s a home in Richmond that’s pink. Every time we pass by it we scratch our heads. We’ve never seen a pink house anywhere else in TV.

There is a Pepto Bismol colored house in Hawkins.

There was another we called the Hulk House. Years later no one has ever lived in that house. Recently, it was painted a mute tan/brown color.

[Normal]

Brian99 really does endorse a compliment for choosing the better life in the Southern Villages. Everything is so new, there is a huge amount of activity and most amenities are state of the art. What isn’t there to be jealous of? Thank you for your envy of how nice we have it in the sunny end of the Villages.

[JMintzer]

Brian99 really does endorse a compliment for choosing the better life in the Southern Villages. Everything is so new, there is a huge amount of activity and most amenities are state of the art. What isn’t there to be jealous of? Thank you for your envy of how nice we have it in the sunny end of the Villages.

Sigh... It never ends...

[GoPacers]

The different areas of The Villages will appeal to different folks with different interests. As many have said, why do people care so much? The "north" was designed differently is more mature in many ways (landscaping, decor, age of residents, etc.). The "south" is much newer in many of the same ways. The "south" has a much younger vibe which is great for those that are looking for that. As time progresses, the age demographics will likely even out, as will many of the other differences.

The Villages has definitely gotten "too big" to be considered a single homogenous community. Just like any city with 150,000 residents, there will be differences across the city and areas will take on their own personas based on the people that live there. The only consistency across the different areas is that we are all (mostly) over 55. I'm guessing there will be a natural geographic break in The Villages and the interstate is likely to be the line that defines the north/south split. As the amenities continue to be built out in "the south" I suspect there will be fewer and fewer folks coming "north" for their sports/entertainment/etc.

I personally like the region we live in better than the others but that's why we chose it. If I were 10 years younger we may have made a different decision. If I were 10 years older, I'd likely say the same thing. One nice thing about the newer areas is that most everyone moving into those areas are new to The Villages so you and your neighbors are forging new relationships vs. trying to integrated into an established community - which is much easier for many people.

Those just south of 44 should enjoy it now - soon they will be viewed through the same lens as the rest of the "evil northerners" as The Villages continues to expand!!

[Nana2Teddy]

There is a Pepto Bismol colored house in Hawkins.

There was another we called the Hulk House. Years later no one has ever lived in that house. Recently, it was painted a mute tan/brown color.
Ahh… haven’t driven through Hawkins yet, so missed that one.

[asianthree]

There’s a home in Richmond that’s pink. Every time we pass by it we scratch our heads. We’ve never seen a pink house anywhere else in TV.

Then you haven’t traveled to the northern areas, pink, bright blue, and bright yellow..The old typical Florida color palette.

Our 3rd house was preowned near Havana CC. It was Pink, until we painted it pale yellow.

[dewilson58]

Time to let this thread die.

:)

[Papa_lecki]

Time to let this thread die.

:)

That comment just added another 50 posts to it.

[JMintzer]

Time to let this thread die.

:)

Why? A new one will pop up shortly...

[tophcfa]

Time to let this thread die.

:)

Why? At least it’s a thread about something. The thread about nothing seems to go on forever!