Yet another roundabout thread

[gobuck827]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

[JMintzer]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

The outside lane never becomes part the roundabout. Therefore, only one lane (the left lane) is either turning right or going straight...

[Laker14]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

is the right lane a bypass?

[collie1228]

What about that dotted line between the two lanes at the point of decision for a right turn?

[gobuck827]

is the right lane a bypass?

No, It is within the roundabout.

[gobuck827]

The outside lane never becomes part the roundabout. Therefore, only one lane (the left lane) is either turning right or going straight...

Not sure what you are looking at but, the outside lane definitely enters the roundabout, it is just forced to exit to the right (1st exit). Also, there is no straight in either of the roundabouts, it is either a right turn from the inside lane or a U turn.

[Davonu]

Different design than the 'typical' roundabout where the "can't turn right from the left lane" claims are made. Those claims are correct for the roundabouts they apply to.

[CFrance]

sigh...

[Bogie Shooter]

Is this really a round a bout?
Where are the other entrances?

[mrf0151]

So, take that right turn out of the left lane just to see how many vehicles you can hit in the right lane. Do it all you want until you find your insurance company has cancelled you.

[n8xwb]

When a knowledgeable driver makes the comment that you can never make a right turn from the inside (left) lane at the first exit they are speaking of a "normal" roundabout that has 4 exits.

[coffeebean]

sigh...

Agree......oh my!

[Rainger99]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

With this particular roundabout, you are correct. However, the only exits are at 3 (making a right turn) and 6 (making a u-turn). A regular roundabout has exits at 3, 6, 9, and 12.

The IMPORTANT thing is to follow the traffic signs posted at each roundabout.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=gobuck827;2273902]For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.[/QUOTE

Your picture don’t show how many exit lanes. Must be two lanes to exit. So yes as long as inside lane stays in left exit lane it can exit. Notice right HAS to exit no options.

[JMintzer]

When a knowledgeable driver makes the comment that you can never make a right turn from the inside (left) lane at the first exit they are speaking of a "normal" roundabout that has 4 exits.

Of course they are. But the OP wanted to post a "gotcha" about the unicorn roundabout...

[deputydoc]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44..
There are no other exits other than to come all the way around

[Shacarr]

Solution: 1) use your right or left signal before entering and exiting the roundabouts. Not 100% effective but it helps tremendously and; 2) slow down and be aware of drivers on both sides. You are driving in the Villages, many elder people.

[GizmoWhiskers]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.
This is the Buena Vista roundabout S of 44 leading to Meggison where there is nothing on the left or straight-away to go to as of yet or possibly ever. One can go straight-ish to the left and play ring around the rosey forever... "weee wee wee".

This is a rare roundabout anomaly. One should not let this roundabout confuse the norm in T V and cause fun accidents.

[banjobob]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.
I have no doubt a right can be made from the inside lane , whether a round about or highway only those that are are not aware of surrounding traffic or on coming traffic would be foolish enough to do it without looking.

[crazygery]

I remember back in Chicago where they had intersections and 4 way stops.
Then the only problem you incurred was people didn’t like to stop, but it was much clearer who was at fault if you encountered a fender bender. I believe traffic circles are there just to test seniors cognitive decline. 😜

[lwmilo]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

That’s an accident waiting to happen . Traffic design should be addressed real soon. Perhaps it was an over site?

[huge-pigeons]

This only proves: read the signs. Not only do a lot of people navigate the roundabouts wrong, a lot of people stop at each roundabout when nobody is coming. This is going to cause an accident. At most roundabouts, you can glance at the left and see no cars in sight, so you should be able to flow without much braking

[Laker14]

This only proves: read the signs. Not only do a lot of people navigate the roundabouts wrong, a lot of people stop at each roundabout when nobody is coming. This is going to cause an accident. At most roundabouts, you can glance at the left and see no cars in sight, so you should be able to flow without much braking

Good points. I live near Sea Breeze, and heading east on Bailey Trail, approaching the BV roundabout, there is a decorative brick wall with some plantings around it that completely obscures one's view of the oncoming traffic, as one approaches the Yield sign. You really have to STOP, because in that split second that you can't see what's coming, well, someone could be rounding the curve.
Fortunately, there is seldom a lot of traffic coming in that direction, off of Bailey onto the roundabout, compared to one roundabout south at St. Charles (what a mess that one is!), but it's a bad design.

[Laker14]

That’s an accident waiting to happen . Traffic design should be addressed real soon. Perhaps it was an over site?

I disagree. It's really an efficient and easy way to negotiate the intersection. In fact, you'd have to work pretty hard to screw it up.

[thevillagernie]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

NEVER DRIVE NEXT TO ANYONE, IN ONE. problem solved

[LoisR]

All drivers need to signal their intent regardless of what lane they are in.
I even asked TV to post "Signal Your Intent" signs upon entering all round abouts. Nothing came of that. Geeeez. Who would have thunk.

[Laker14]

NEVER DRIVE NEXT TO ANYONE, IN ONE. problem solved

When traffic is busy that is an unworkable solution.

[Miboater]

That’s an accident waiting to happen . Traffic design should be addressed real soon. Perhaps it was an over site?

These roundabouts are in the area where the new section of Richmond and the commercial area that is planned. There will be more exits off of these roundabouts once the build out happens and I'm sure they will change the signs when that happens.

[kcrazorbackfan]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

There are no continuation of the lanes entering the roundabouts going straight, only turning right, therefore, both can safely exit right.

[Dlbonivich]

That is a bypass of the roundabout

[PjLyness1965]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

This is not a typical roundabout. You can only go left or right in the example you provided. In a typical roundabout the right hand lane is not a right turn only.

[Singerlady]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

That’s because there is nowhere else to go on those roundabouts yet.

[Sandy and Ed]

So I am traveling straight thru and approach the roundabout. The vehicle in the inside lane decides to take the first exit (might even signal his intent). I now need to be wary of that vehicle. Understand but would love to know why they changed to this signage.

[Steve]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

Those two roundabouts are right turn or U-turn only. Once roads get connected allowing driving straight through or exiting to the left you will see those signs replaced.

[Two Bills]

A two lane into a two lane, the only exit apart from a U-turn, what is so complicated or the problem?
This is a wind up posting.

[Bill14564]

So I am traveling straight thru and approach the roundabout. The vehicle in the inside lane decides to take the first exit (might even signal his intent). I now need to be wary of that vehicle. Understand but would love to know why they changed to this signage.

At the RAB in the original post there is no straight thru. It appears to be a one-lane RAB with the left lane entering the RAB and the right line being a right turn only.

With only a single lane in this RAB there is no inside lane. The ONLY lane of this RAB is allowed to exit to the right or continue around.

In "normal" two-lane RABs, vehicles entering from the left lane/inside lane are not allowed to take the first exit. It would be no different from making a right turn from the left lane of a four-lane highway. If they attempt this then they will possibly cause an accident.

[TVTVTV]

With this particular roundabout, you are correct. However, the only exits are at 3 (making a right turn) and 6 (making a u-turn). A regular roundabout has exits at 3, 6, 9, and 12.

The IMPORTANT thing is to follow the traffic signs posted at each roundabout.

With high traffic and unfamiliar roads and the signs posted so close to the roundabout, there is no leeway to choose the lane you need in time (nor should you change lanes while in a busy roundabout). Why aren't the signs also placed further back to help unfamiliar drivers. Not all roundabouts are the same. Arrows in each lane would be beneficial also.

[jimjamuser]

Not sure what you are looking at but, the outside lane definitely enters the roundabout, it is just forced to exit to the right (1st exit). Also, there is no straight in either of the roundabouts, it is either a right turn from the inside lane or a U turn.
Personally, I like that system better than what happens (confusion) in the central and northern Villages. I have often maintained that the road should merge into ONE lane BEFORE entering the ONELANE roundabout. Some people say that that would slow things to a crawl. I say that as long as there is vehicle movement (not stopping) then the roundabout is BETTER than a RED light. And we would have less accidents with my proposal. AND since we are most all retired we should be able to mentally handle a slow and safe roundabout EXPERIENCE. People know HOW to MERGE, but a 2-lane roundabout is FOREIGN AND AWKWARD to new arrivals.

[srswans]

Nice example OP - thanks!

There are several special roundabouts throughout TV - gotta look at the signs for each.

44A Eastbound at Buena Vista is another - left lane must turn left - only right lane can go straight.

[clossonjunk]

jimjamuser…

There’s a roundabout in Jacksonville that is one lane like you described. It backs up for miles. People get so frustrated waiting 20-30 minutes just to reach the roundabout that they start taking way too many chances pulling into the circle so close to the other cars that accidents still happen. This, being your solution isn’t as great as you think it is and accidents still happen.

[lpkruege1]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

It seems like this is an apples to oranges debate. This is not a typical roundabout. If you obey the traffic signs and enter when there is no traffic coming, you should be good.

[Tyson]

Thats because there is no going straight. You go to the right with both lanes, the lane on the right can only go right. The lane on the left or inside lane cane go right or left. Try going left from the right and your in for trouble.

[Topspinmo]

Personally, I like that system better than what happens (confusion) in the central and northern Villages. I have often maintained that the road should merge into ONE lane BEFORE entering the ONELANE roundabout. Some people say that that would slow things to a crawl. I say that as long as there is vehicle movement (not stopping) then the roundabout is BETTER than a RED light. And we would have less accidents with my proposal. AND since we are most all retired we should be able to mentally handle a slow and safe roundabout EXPERIENCE. People know HOW to MERGE, but a 2-lane roundabout is FOREIGN AND AWKWARD to new arrivals.


Maybe you’re the one that confused?:pepper2:

[LSTOWELL]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

There are no other exits!!!

[jimjamuser]

jimjamuser…

There’s a roundabout in Jacksonville that is one lane like you described. It backs up for miles. People get so frustrated waiting 20-30 minutes just to reach the roundabout that they start taking way too many chances pulling into the circle so close to the other cars that accidents still happen. This, being your solution isn’t as great as you think it is and accidents still happen.
I believe it because Jacksonville is a pretty wacky overcrowded city. Even so, I would SUGGEST that if ANY kind of roundabout backs up that MUCH then it is time to put in a RED light. I think of roundabouts as being BEST suited to small towns without much traffic. They become LESS useful here in the high population times like Dec through Feb.

[Msgt. Rick]

I hear so much about the dangers of seniors navigating roundabouts, but I guarantee you if there were a lot of roundabouts in places like Orlando where there are a lot of young drivers it would be catastrophic.

[Davonu]

I hear so much about the dangers of seniors navigating roundabouts, but I guarantee you if there were a lot of roundabouts in places like Orlando where there are a lot of young drivers it would be catastrophic.
If the roundabout is well designed, catastrophic results are not nearly as certain as your guarantee states.

[midiwiz]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.

why??? why??? why??? just leave sleeping dogs lay.... I just can't read the insanity of all this

[gobuck827]

why??? why??? why??? just leave sleeping dogs lay.... I just can't read the insanity of all this

But yet, here you are, reading and even commenting!!!!!

:oops:

[Bogie Shooter]

But yet, here you are, reading and even commenting!!!!!

:oops:

Wasn’t that your intent?

[mikemalloy]

At the present time these "roundabouts' serve no useful purpose because they do not replace intersections that would require some sort of traffic control. Come to think of it, they're like the OP.

[Carlsondm]

Watch your neighbor and use your blinkers. What I hate is when they cut in front of you IN the roundabout.

[jneibert]

Clearly this is a special case. Typically we say that the roundabout is an intersection. The left lane approaching the roundabout may only go straight or left. The right lane may only go straight or right. At these locations you describe Buena Vista is actually the only road...(obviously that might change in the future, why else put a roundabout in this location?) But, I digress. The saying is still true. Right lane goes right or straight (in this case there is only one option straight). Left lane goes left or straight.

[dewilson58]

Wasn’t that your intent?

Bingo

[edtherock]

The problem is , the statement in this heading is wrong.

So the thinking about roundabouts is wrong IMO. Simply stated

1. Those coming into any roundabout must yield to those in the roundabout.
2. Two lanes coming into a roundabout weather going straight -180 degrees, or 90 degrees straight —-in this case , one’s car can never cross over each others lanes.
3 . read the signs at each roundabout. They all show the same thing from YOUR view. Never crossing into another lane in the roundabout.

You want to save on car insurance and headaches? Never go through a roundabout side by side with other cars.

[glennerv]

For those who have insisted in past threads that the inside lane can never take the 1st exit (take a right), I give you the 2 new roundabouts on Buena Vista South of 44.
It’s interesting that you chose this turn. This roundabout was constructed by the state not the developer. It is my understanding this extension was built as another exit off Meggison Rd. The sign indicates both lanes turning and STAYING in your lane.

[sharonl7340]

These endless discussions about the roundabouts and even more endless accidents in them just proves there should never be 2 lanes in any of them. It is a recipe for endless disasters with as many "understandings" about how to navigate them. I am always nervous everytime I enter one.

[Bill14564]

These endless discussions about the roundabouts and even more endless accidents in them just proves there should never be 2 lanes in any of them. It is a recipe for endless disasters with as many "understandings" about how to navigate them. I am always nervous everytime I enter one.

Where was the latest RAB accident caused by two lanes?

There have been several that were caused by speed but I don’t recall any caused by two lanes. There must be some, but if there have been many then I need better sources of information.

[coffeebean]

Watch your neighbor and use your blinkers. What I hate is when they cut in front of you IN the roundabout.

Yesterday, there was a woman at a dead stop in the RAB. My husband had to jam on the breaks not to rear end that car. Oh well, such is life in the RABs.

[golfing eagles]

All drivers need to signal their intent regardless of what lane they are in.
I even asked TV to post "Signal Your Intent" signs upon entering all round abouts. Nothing came of that. Geeeez. Who would have thunk.

And you are willing to bet your life that the other driver will do what his signal indicates???

[Byte1]

I asked a traffic COP about these roundabouts and he told me that it is simple. If you are in the outside lane and someone cuts in front of you and you hit him/her or they hit you, they are in the wrong. They MUST yield to the vehicle that is in the outside lane, period. They may make a turn from the center lane but MUST yield to the outside lane regardless of where the other vehicle entered the circle. I was told that it is simple, basic traffic rules. The signs are showing that the inside lane vehicle may/MAY exit from the inside lane, BUT they still must follow common rules of right of way. Just like the yield signs when entering the circle, where you must yield to any vehicle already traveling within the circle. Personally, I attempt to yield to ANYONE attempting to make a turn in the circle, regardless of which lane they are traveling. That way, I protect my vehicle and it's passengers from oblivious Villages drivers. My pet peeve is those that stop at gates to allow golf carts to cross in front of the entrance. It is especially hazardous when there is a light and vehicles are stopped and backed up with a green light, either turning or going straight.
But, back to the subject, if you cross in front of someone encroaching on their lane, be ready to cause an accident. Regardless of belief that you are right, you still caused the accident.

[Flyers999]

Yesterday, there was a woman at a dead stop in the RAB. My husband had to jam on the breaks not to rear end that car. Oh well, such is life in the RABs.

Were they in the circle or approaching the circle at the yield sign? One is allowed to stop at a yield sign.

[VApeople]

I asked a traffic COP about these roundabouts and he told me that it is simple. If you are in the outside lane and someone cuts in front of you and you hit him/her or they hit you, they are in the wrong. They MUST yield to the vehicle that is in the outside lane, period. They may make a turn from the center lane but MUST yield to the outside lane regardless of where the other vehicle entered the circle.

That is very interesting.

Of course, I do not follow that rule. When I am going 3/4 way around a roundabout, I drive in the inside lane and I believe I have the right-of-way to cut across the outside lane when I exit.

If a car in the outside lane tries to cut in front of me, I honk at them and keep honking until I am totally out of the roundabout. If I even suspect a driver in the outside lane might cut in front of me, I honk at them.

[djlnc]

I asked a traffic COP about these roundabouts and he told me that it is simple. If you are in the outside lane and someone cuts in front of you and you hit him/her or they hit you, they are in the wrong.

I would love to see something official/in writing about this. This would require the driver in the inside lane to stop until all outside lane traffic has passed.

[Bogie Shooter]

And away we go……….again.:popcorn:

[jimbomaybe]

I would love to see something official/in writing about this. This would require the driver in the inside lane to stop until all outside lane traffic has passed.
Not so, it means that you would need to go all the way around the RAB for another try at the exit if you could not change lanes safely

[djlnc]

You're not "changing lanes", you're taking the exit lane.
"Did he ever return, no he never returned, and his fate is still unlearned. He may ride forever..." Kingston Trio.

[jimbomaybe]

You're not "changing lanes", you're taking the exit lane.
"Did he ever return, no he never returned, and his fate is still unlearned. He may ride forever..." Kingston Trio.
The past is the future with a different hairstyle

[VApeople]

it means that you would need to go all the way around the RAB for another try at the exit if you could not change lanes safely

Do you know of anyone who has ever done that?

[JoMar]

I would love to see something official/in writing about this. This would require the driver in the inside lane to stop until all outside lane traffic has passed.

Follow the lane markings, it's not that hard. The outside lane turns right or goes straight. The inside lane goes straight or turns left. You can change lanes at the dotted lines only. I have also talked to the police and they don't understand it either...it's not that hard.

[Bilyclub]

If it wasn't a local cop that dealt with TV roundabouts it don't mean squat. Those green signs are not suggestions.

[Two Bills]

Taking my neighbors dog to the vet this morning.

[Byte1]

Personally, I like that system better than what happens (confusion) in the central and northern Villages. I have often maintained that the road should merge into ONE lane BEFORE entering the ONELANE roundabout. Some people say that that would slow things to a crawl. I say that as long as there is vehicle movement (not stopping) then the roundabout is BETTER than a RED light. And we would have less accidents with my proposal. AND since we are most all retired we should be able to mentally handle a slow and safe roundabout EXPERIENCE. People know HOW to MERGE, but a 2-lane roundabout is FOREIGN AND AWKWARD to new arrivals.

I think that this is the first time I have ever agreed with you. :thumbup:

[Byte1]

If it wasn't a local cop that dealt with TV roundabouts it don't mean squat. Those green signs are not suggestions.

Those green signs are suggestions or examples. You must/MUST always yield to the vehicle moving straight before turning into that vehicle's path. If you don't believe me, then when you cause an accident, let me know what the judge says. There is NO sign that says that the outside lane must turn right at the first available exit. There is no sign that says that the inside lane must turn right at the second or third exit.
Of course, the first post (OP) is not the norm for a round about and should be handled differently.

[Byte1]

That is very interesting.

Of course, I do not follow that rule. When I am going 3/4 way around a roundabout, I drive in the inside lane and I believe I have the right-of-way to cut across the outside lane when I exit.

If a car in the outside lane tries to cut in front of me, I honk at them and keep honking until I am totally out of the roundabout. If I even suspect a driver in the outside lane might cut in front of me, I honk at them.

So you feel that if a vehicle enters the circle at the next one to the one you entered and is intent on going to the second exit to the one he/she entered, that you can cut in front of him/her to exit? According to the "signs" the person on the outside lane may exit on the next two exits. You may exit on the next two or three exits, but who knows when you originally entered the circle?

[VApeople]

So you feel that if a vehicle enters the circle at the next one to the one you entered and is intent on going to the second exit to the one he/she entered, that you can cut in front of him/her to exit?

YES!!!

Once I am in the roundabout, another driver must not enter the roundabout closely in front of me.

I have been here full-time for 7 years and have never had a close call in a roundabout, so I know what am am doing.

[Bill14564]

So you feel that if a vehicle enters the circle at the next one to the one you entered and is intent on going to the second exit to the one he/she entered, that you can cut in front of him/her to exit? According to the "signs" the person on the outside lane may exit on the next two exits. You may exit on the next two or three exits, but who knows when you originally entered the circle?

I absolutely will cut in front of him to exit. The only way it would be possible for me to cut in front is if he didn't yield and entered as I was passing the road he was on. He did the wrong thing. I have no interest in rewarding bad behavior.

No, I won't cause an accident but I will make things uncomfortable for him.

[Bilyclub]

Those green signs are suggestions or examples. You must/MUST always yield to the vehicle moving straight before turning into that vehicle's path. If you don't believe me, then when you cause an accident, let me know what the judge says. There is NO sign that says that the outside lane must turn right at the first available exit. There is no sign that says that the inside lane must turn right at the second or third exit.
Of course, the first post (OP) is not the norm for a round about and should be handled differently.

Wrong, if the outside lane hits me that car did not obey the yield sign because I was in the roundabout first. Did you forget there are yield signs for all vehicles entering a roundabout.

[coffeebean]

Were they in the circle or approaching the circle at the yield sign? One is allowed to stop at a yield sign.

The car was IN the RAB.

[Topspinmo]

I asked a traffic COP about these roundabouts and he told me that it is simple. If you are in the outside lane and someone cuts in front of you and you hit him/her or they hit you, they are in the wrong. They MUST yield to the vehicle that is in the outside lane, period. They may make a turn from the center lane but MUST yield to the outside lane regardless of where the other vehicle entered the circle. I was told that it is simple, basic traffic rules. The signs are showing that the inside lane vehicle may/MAY exit from the inside lane, BUT they still must follow common rules of right of way. Just like the yield signs when entering the circle, where you must yield to any vehicle already traveling within the circle. Personally, I attempt to yield to ANYONE attempting to make a turn in the circle, regardless of which lane they are traveling. That way, I protect my vehicle and it's passengers from oblivious Villages drivers. My pet peeve is those that stop at gates to allow golf carts to cross in front of the entrance. It is especially hazardous when there is a light and vehicles are stopped and backed up with a green light, either turning or going straight.
But, back to the subject, if you cross in front of someone encroaching on their lane, be ready to cause an accident. Regardless of belief that you are right, you still caused the accident.

Which county traffic cop? Outside lane has two options. Turn at first exit or turn at second exit unless inside lane vehicle switches lane in roundabout should never be contact? But when outside lane vehicle wants to illegally go to third exit that’s when accidents happen.

Now if inside vehicle crosses into outside lane before second exit then he’s at fault. I see this lot enter roundabout in inside lane take the short cut by crossing into outside lane then back into the inside lane exiting straight through. I also see outside lane vehicles enter the roundabout in the outside lane cross over to inside lane and exit out the outside lane speeding through roundabout. Those are also the smucks you have to look out for cutting you off.