Toughest holes on executive courses

[Rainger99]

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the back tees?

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the front tees?

[JMintzer]

Pelican #4 is tough. A blind Tee shot over wetlands...

[Rainger99]

Pelican #4 is tough. A blind Tee shot over wetlands...

Is that from the front tees or back tees?

[alwann]

Pelican #4 is tough. A blind Tee shot over wetlands...

Ditto, #9 on Heron from all tees. It's a blind shot over tall vegetation. Hit and hope.

[Hape2Bhr]

Is that from the front tees or back tees?

Pelican #4 is tough. A blind Tee shot over wetlands...

That is a par four. Just drive to the fairway over the water. From the Golds I have driven the green (and took a birdie shot).

[melpetezrinski]

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the back tees?

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the front tees?

Pelican #9 from the black is consistently 200 yards plus. There is also trouble all down the right.

[JMintzer]

Is that from the front tees or back tees?

Back and middle, IIRC...

[UpNorth]

Pelican #9 from the black is consistently 200 yards plus. There is also trouble all down the right.

Pelican has more tough holes than all the others combined. Mira Mesa #9 is also tricky. Very shallow green makes it hard to hit and hold.

[Two Bills]

#9 at Amberwood. Back tee.
I honestly believe the water has been treated with a golf ball attraction fluid, and the green is protected by the Iron Dome anti- ball system.
That hole has ruined many a good round for me.
My wife played off front tee, and nearly always popped it onto the green!:swear:

[ThirdOfFive]

I've not played all, or even most of the Execs, but hole #5 on El Diablo certainly lives up to the name. Not overly long (172 yards from the back tee) but there is nothing much between the tee and green but what can be best described as a shallow crater with swamp (more or less) on the right extending to the middle, to an elevated green. Hitting the green with your tee shot is not only essential for a good score on that hole but once there it has to stay put: the green is pretty narrow with a VERY steep hill in back with trees and brush, and ( depending on how far over your ball goes) water.

[Mortal1]

If you have a good repeating swing and are "on" that day then no hole is really difficult unless the distance you can hit a club is less than the length of the hole being played. Otherwise(from experience)for most executive golfers every single hole may be difficult unless you can roll it from tee to green. Just the truth...as much as it hurts to hear.

[tophcfa]

I've not played all, or even most of the Execs, but hole #5 on El Diablo certainly lives up to the name. Not overly long (172 yards from the back tee) but there is nothing much between the tee and green but what can be best described as a shallow crater with swamp (more or less) on the right extending to the middle, to an elevated green. Hitting the green with your tee shot is not only essential for a good score on that hole but once there it has to stay put: the green is pretty narrow with a VERY steep hill in back with trees and brush, and ( depending on how far over your ball goes) water.

For whatever reason, I’ve found #7 at El Diablo to be more difficult than #5. The hole has good distance, water, and that huge bunker on the right of the green. But the bass fishing is good in the big pond, and there is even a small parking area fisherman use across the street on Enrique Drive to access the pond. However, as other posters have said, generally speaking Pelican has the most challenging holes of any Executive course.

[Bay Kid]

There are so many great, tough holes from the black tees in The Villages. All are great!

Pelican does scare the hell out of lots of golfers.

[rsimpson]

#3- Red Fox - This is one of the most picturesque AND toughest holes in TV.
The only Bailout is LONG. Hole can play 180 yds into the wind. Water all along left and front left of green. Trees all up the left side and close.
(Pelican has several 'mentally tough' holes - love the swamp shots!)

[rsimpson]

#4 - Oakleigh - Card says 172 for Black Tees, but there is an extra tee box 20 yards deeper. Shot is over water, massive sand trap on right all the way around the green. Big hill on left side. Big Boy's par three - that one.

[Lottoguy]

Actually I think the next hole #6 at El Diablo from the black tees is very hard. Water on the right and that bunker by the green swallows up golf balls all the time.

[rsimpson]

#6 - Amberwood - Longest Par 4 on Executive courses. 402 yards from the back tee box. Green is big, flat, and easy, but it takes two big hits to get near it.

[kkingston57]

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the back tees?

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the front tees?

#1 at Hilltop from both tees. Tiny green surrounded by bunkers. Each bunker is bigger than the green. Hope it was enlarged when they renovated the course.

2nd choice #2 at Oakleigh. Almost impossible to hit green due to huge bunker in front of green.

[Rainger99]

If you have a good repeating swing and are "on" that day then no hole is really difficult unless the distance you can hit a club is less than the length of the hole being played. Otherwise(from experience)for most executive golfers every single hole may be difficult unless you can roll it from tee to green. Just the truth...as much as it hurts to hear.

I don't know what a "good repeating swing" is. When I watch the pros on television, they seem to spray it all over the course - sometimes left rough, sometimes right rough, sometimes out of bounds, and sometimes right down the middle. There are only three golfers on tour who hit 70% or more of their fairways. And Rory only hits about 53% of his fairways.

2022-23 PGA Tour - Drive Accuracy Leaders - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/golf/stats/pga-tour/drive-accuracy/)

For a par 3 between 125-150, the tour pro average is 69.34%

Golf Stat and Records | PGA TOUR (https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/329)

[Mleeja]

All of the holes mentioned are good choices. I am going add #9 at Redfish Run. Carry over water to a sloping two level green. Also, one of the prettiest holes.

[cjrjck]

back tees:

Pelican 1, 2, 9.
Mira Mesa 9.
Amberwood 3 and 7.
Bacall 7.
Belmont 7.
Gray Fox 4, 6, 7.
Oakleigh 9.

[Bay Kid]

Roosevelt #4 from the black. Truman #2, 3 and 4.

[Battlebasset]

#3- Red Fox - This is one of the most picturesque AND toughest holes in TV.
The only Bailout is LONG. Hole can play 180 yds into the wind. Water all along left and front left of green. Trees all up the left side and close.
(Pelican has several 'mentally tough' holes - love the swamp shots!)

Agree, and it's right after the par 4 hole. For my skill level, the best thing to do is take a shorter, but straight shot. If you aren't that good (and I fully admit my shortcomings), trying to land it on the green is an exercise in frustration and ball loss.

[Topspinmo]

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the back tees?

What (with an explanation) is the most challenging hole on the executive courses from the front tees?

85 yard par 3 that I have to use my #1 driver.:doh: