Citizens' Climate Lobby

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Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

[ThirdOfFive]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.
Well, I'd love to go, but there is some paint that I need to watch dry...

[fdpaq0580]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

Like the earth has never been proven to be round. Just ask the flat earthers.

[Topspinmo]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

IMO I figured that out. :ho: Overpopulation and deforestation. And not going to stop. :shocked:

[Topspinmo]

Well, I'd love to go, but there is some paint that I need to watch dry...


Why watch somebody’s else paint dry? :p

[sounding]

IMO I figured that out. :ho: Overpopulation and deforestation. And not going to stop. :shocked:

What stopped dinosaur over-population?

What caused the great dying at the end of the Permian period?

We have no idea what nature has in store for us. Human population growth is insurance against nature.

[Topspinmo]

What stopped dinosaur over-population?

What caused the great dying at the end of the Permian period?

We have no idea what nature has in store for us. Human population growth is insurance against nature.

Out of our control, but we can stop bulldozing and reproducing at lower rate. But probably too late anyway.

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Out of our control, but we can stop bulldozing and reproducing at lower rate. But probably too late anyway.

Cousteau has a solution -- but can't find any volunteers.

[Pairadocs]

Cousteau has a solution -- but can't find any volunteers.

Was lab created Covid a part of that plan ? Will there be future attempts at
"reduction" coming along with more planned ineffective (but hugely profitable) vaccines that sell well in times of panic ? Who really ordered the assignation of JFK ? Of the destruction of the Trade Towers ? Will people who even dare to think such horrific and planned events could actually be the result of sick minds such as Hitler's ? Would our grandparents been labeled as "feeble minded" if they had voiced that one day people would be tracked day and night by carrying a device in their pocket or purse, or that their automobiles would record every place they went, or that their bank accounts would be constantly monitored and "flagged" according to what they purchased. Most concerning, will we finally reach a point where no questioning or deep thought will even be permitted ? Wonder about so many things, not worrying, just wondering, retina reading and tracking, "global" warming, animals running out of habitat ? Maybe I better make a Tee time and try to divert from "thinking... but Tee times are getting more difficult to find each day...LOL, take a walk I guess !

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Was lab created Covid a part of that plan ? Will there be future attempts at
"reduction" coming along with more planned ineffective (but hugely profitable) vaccines that sell well in times of panic ? Who really ordered the assignation of JFK ? Of the destruction of the Trade Towers ? Will people who even dare to think such horrific and planned events could actually be the result of sick minds such as Hitler's ? Would our grandparents been labeled as "feeble minded" if they had voiced that one day people would be tracked day and night by carrying a device in their pocket or purse, or that their automobiles would record every place they went, or that their bank accounts would be constantly monitored and "flagged" according to what they purchased. Most concerning, will we finally reach a point where no questioning or deep thought will even be permitted ? Wonder about so many things, not worrying, just wondering, retina reading and tracking, "global" warming, animals running out of habitat ? Maybe I better make a Tee time and try to divert from "thinking... but Tee times are getting more difficult to find each day...LOL, take a walk I guess !

Don't worry ... Bill will take care of us.

[PhilG]

Why?

[ThirdOfFive]

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[ThirdOfFive]

Why?
Word of advice: when responding to a certain post, most folks click the "quote message in reply" box in the lower left of the reply display. Helps others to know just what is being responded to.

[airstreamingypsy]

What stopped dinosaur over-population?

What caused the great dying at the end of the Permian period?

We have no idea what nature has in store for us. Human population growth is insurance against nature.

You need to start watching NOVA.... very interesting, explains things like what happened to the dinosaurs.... and why periods died and were reborn.

[mickey100]

You need to start watching NOVA.... very interesting, explains things like what happened to the dinosaurs.... and why periods died and were reborn.

But that would mean watching something other than Fox News, which is a foreign concept to many TOTV posters.

[Vermilion Villager]

You need to start watching NOVA.... very interesting, explains things like what happened to the dinosaurs.... and why periods died and were reborn.

He can't....tinfoil hat inteferes with TV reception.:a20:

[Vermilion Villager]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

It's been in effect for about a year. Several Republicans, including Webster tried to take credit for it so it must be good right???:wave:

[PhilG]

Word of advice: when responding to a certain post, most folks click the "quote message in reply" box in the lower left of the reply display. Helps others to know just what is being responded to.


Think Villagers, even those of the Climate disaster fan club, can understand the association.

[JRcorvette]

I would rather go to the Dentist and get my teeth drilled without Novacaine than sit and listen to this GW nonsense!

[Wondering]

What are you a veteran of - denying reality and science! Were you concerned about your perceptions of "higher" taxes when billionaires received tax relief in 2017, on the backs of the middle and lower classes? Not to mention the record amount it added to our debt and deficit! Next you will tell us that "Trickle Down Economics" works --- NOT!

[Bay Kid]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

The Inflation Reduction act is BS, just there to line friends pockets. If they really cared they would control all the controlled burning pollution.

[jimjamuser]

What stopped dinosaur over-population?

What caused the great dying at the end of the Permian period?

We have no idea what nature has in store for us. Human population growth is insurance against nature.
Scientists are worried because the arctic permafrost is melting (not so permanent), which may expose older varieties of viruses and bacteria that humans have NO built-up defenses for. This danger to humans is brought about by HEAT in the Arctic caused by Global Warming. And this is merely ONE example of Global Warming that has been confirmed by the majority of climate scientists.
........Humans as is the case with all animals, must live with their environment and protect it, not FIGHT against it.

[Eclas]

What are you a veteran of - denying reality and science! Were you concerned about your perceptions of "higher" taxes when billionaires received tax relief in 2017, on the backs of the middle and lower classes? Not to mention the record amount it added to our debt and deficit! Next you will tell us that "Trickle Down Economics" works --- NOT!

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid. Man made global warming is the largest scam on the planet. All geared towards a one world govt. If Greta and Al Gore were right we would already have a dead planet by now 10 times over.
Even the founder of the weather channel will tell you it is cyclical.

[ThirdOfFive]

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid. Man made global warming is the largest scam on the planet. All geared towards a one world govt. If Greta and Al Gore were right we would already have a dead planet by now 10 times over.
Even the founder of the weather channel will tell you it is cyclical.
I recall sometime back (1980's, I think) making the observation that the global-warming enthusiasts of the time, mainly folks long on idealism (and, in most cases, hair) but woefully short on fact and the ability to reason, had hit on the ONE thing that got them to be taken even semi-seriously.

Not much has happened in the interim to change my opinion on that.

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Scientists are worried because the arctic permafrost is melting (not so permanent), which may expose older varieties of viruses and bacteria that humans have NO built-up defenses for. This danger to humans is brought about by HEAT in the Arctic caused by Global Warming. And this is merely ONE example of Global Warming that has been confirmed by the majority of climate scientists.
........Humans as is the case with all animals, must live with their environment and protect it, not FIGHT against it.

Permafrost was NEVER "perma." Learn more at the Weather Club.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

…and they say money is the root of all evil, except it can change the climate.🤣

[Steve]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

I think they should move their meeting to India where the air was so bad a couple of days ago people were warned to stay inside...or move to The Villages where we will soon have bans on gas appliances and gasoline powered cars, our electricity will be solar/wind powered and we will have made the world safer for the return of the dinosaurs.

[golfing eagles]

Well, I'd love to go, but there is some paint that I need to watch dry...

Good idea. In the fantasy world of human induced climate change, that paint will dry much quicker

[sounding]

I think they should move their meeting to India where the air was so bad a couple of days ago people were warned to stay inside...or move to The Villages where we will soon have bans on gas appliances and gasoline powered cars, our electricity will be solar/wind powered and we will have made the world safer for the return of the dinosaurs.

CO2 is not a pollutant. Pollution is discussed in other clubs. Furthermore, we are in a CO2 famine - so more CO2 is greatly encouraged.

[golfing eagles]

I think they should move their meeting to India where the air was so bad a couple of days ago people were warned to stay inside...or move to The Villages where we will soon have bans on gas appliances and gasoline powered cars, our electricity will be solar/wind powered and we will have made the world safer for the return of the dinosaurs.

Only when TV expands south to Fantasyland

[C4Boston]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.

My only concern at my age is running out of red wine. So far, inventory is holding up.

[Topspinmo]

What are you a veteran of - denying reality and science! Were you concerned about your perceptions of "higher" taxes when billionaires received tax relief in 2017, on the backs of the middle and lower classes? Not to mention the record amount it added to our debt and deficit! Next you will tell us that "Trickle Down Economics" works --- NOT!

I wouldn’t bring up debt/deficit 11 trillion plus in less than 3 years.

[jimjamuser]

Cousteau has a solution -- but can't find any volunteers.
Somehow I get the feeling that the quote was taken out of context. Cousteau likely knows that each animal (humans included) has a certain holding capacity, depending on food and other environmental factors, which whenever exceeded causes problems. For humans, the problems are disease and wars, which lower the population back to its holding capacity.
........Gaza is a perfect example of this as it is one of the most densely populated areas of the world. Human life is less valued in a situation like that and hatred and conflict are inevitable.
..........Global Warming is man-made and excess population is currently causing EXCESS CO2 which HEATS the earth. And yes, plants use CO2, but I am talking about the great excess of CO2 produced by man which has accumulated in the upper atmosphere and has changed the earth's climate and even raised the ocean's levels rapidly in the last 8 years.

[Topspinmo]

Scientists are worried because the arctic permafrost is melting (not so permanent), which may expose older varieties of viruses and bacteria that humans have NO built-up defenses for. This danger to humans is brought about by HEAT in the Arctic caused by Global Warming. And this is merely ONE example of Global Warming that has been confirmed by the majority of climate scientists.
........Humans as is the case with all animals, must live with their environment and protect it, not FIGHT against it.

Earth been in warming cycle for 10 thousand plus years. Nowhere near the high mean time temperatures of 72 plus degrees.

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Somehow I get the feeling that the quote was taken out of context. Cousteau likely knows that each animal (humans included) has a certain holding capacity, depending on food and other environmental factors, which whenever exceeded causes problems. For humans, the problems are disease and wars, which lower the population back to its holding capacity.
........Gaza is a perfect example of this as it is one of the most densely populated areas of the world. Human life is less valued in a situation like that and hatred and conflict are inevitable.
..........Global Warming is man-made and excess population is currently causing EXCESS CO2 which HEATS the earth. And yes, plants use CO2, but I am talking about the great excess of CO2 produced by man which has accumulated in the upper atmosphere and has changed the earth's climate and even raised the ocean's levels rapidly in the last 8 years.

You can un-context all you want. People say what they mean - and they're speaking from the platform of the United Nations.

[jimjamuser]

Discover what The Villages' chapter of the Citizens Climate Lobby (CCL) is saying about climate change and human impact upon our climate: on Nov 16 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. While making numerous climate claims using old and limited data, the CCL also claims the Inflation Reduction Act, with higher taxes, will fight man-made global warming - which has never been proven.
I don't believe that the Inflation Reduction Act has ANY relationship to taxes. But, everyone likes it when gasoline at the pump is LOWER. The IRA encourages people to buy E-vehicles that have GREAT practical value to ALL Americans. It means that we would buy less oil from Saudi Arabia and therefore be less dependent on them and the whole irrational and combustible Middle East. It would therefore lower the cost of gasoline at the pump. It could help keep the US out of Middle East wars.
.........If the US could improve new car sales of E-vehicles from the current 6% to 30% (which is the trend) we could likely begin the process of stopping Global Warming and saving our coastal cities. Not to mention improving the health of worldwide coral reefs, which affects our fishing industry and even the stone crab population near Alaska.

[jimjamuser]

I would rather go to the Dentist and get my teeth drilled without Novacaine than sit and listen to this GW nonsense!
It IS a good thing that the US government thinks otherwise and is willing to face the problem head-on rather than ignoring it and pretending that it does NOT exist!

[jimjamuser]

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid. Man made global warming is the largest scam on the planet. All geared towards a one world govt. If Greta and Al Gore were right we would already have a dead planet by now 10 times over.
Even the founder of the weather channel will tell you it is cyclical.
So, climate scientists and others who understand Global Warming are pushing us toward a ONE-WORLD government. I don't see any connection. And anyway, we will all be LONG dead before ALL the individual countries on this planet would possibly AGREE to turn over sovereignty to ONLY ONE government.

[jimjamuser]

CO2 is not a pollutant. Pollution is discussed in other clubs. Furthermore, we are in a CO2 famine - so more CO2 is greatly encouraged.
I encourage everyone to ask Google IF "we are in a CO2 famine"?

[Chi-Town]

Someone's been drinking the kool-aid. Man made global warming is the largest scam on the planet. All geared towards a one world govt. If Greta and Al Gore were right we would already have a dead planet by now 10 times over.
Even the founder of the weather channel will tell you it is cyclical.

Do you think the rain will hurt the rhubarb?

[jimjamuser]

You can un-context all you want. People say what they mean - and they're speaking from the platform of the United Nations.
The more people, the more pollution, the MORE Global Warming. But for any one GIVEN world population, there are still other factors to consider like the RATE of using FOSSIL FUELS. Another factor is the rate of forest destruction. Certainly, the recent large forest fires in the US and Canada are adding to the excess CO2 which will rise up to the upper atmosphere and reflect HEAT back to the Earth.

[Byte1]

It IS a good thing that the US government thinks otherwise and is willing to face the problem head-on rather than ignoring it and pretending that it does NOT exist!

What you meant to say is that the US Gov pretends that there really is a problem when there isn't. At least, not one that "they" can control. Sounds like a few folks on here are having a "red flag" moment.

[Byte1]

The more people, the more pollution, the MORE Global Warming. But for any one GIVEN world population, there are still other factors to consider like the RATE of using FOSSIL FUELS. Another factor is the rate of forest destruction. Certainly, the recent large forest fires in the US and Canada are adding to the excess CO2 which will rise up to the upper atmosphere and reflect HEAT back to the Earth.

More pollution doesn't equal more global warming. The temperature when dinosaurs roamed the earth was about ten degrees warmer and the oceans were several feet higher. But, keep thinking "the sky is falling" if it makes you feel better. Personally, I welcome the warmer weather and would like to see warmer weather up North in the mountains. I do not wish to see the gov. waste taxpayer money on trying to make the world colder. The air is much cleaner than it was when I was a child and that does work for me. However, I can live to the nice old age of 100 with the air as it is right now. My old man survived a century during the worst pollution time period in this country, and the air is much cleaner now.
But, everyone needs something to occupy their idle minds.:laugh:

[Byte1]

So, climate scientists and others who understand Global Warming are pushing us toward a ONE-WORLD government. I don't see any connection. And anyway, we will all be LONG dead before ALL the individual countries on this planet would possibly AGREE to turn over sovereignty to ONLY ONE government.

Yes, of course. After all, there really isn't a European Union.....:1rotfl:
"The European Union ( EU) is a supranational political and economic union of 27 member states that are located primarily in Europe. [7] [8] The union has a total area of 4,233,255 km 2 (1,634,469 sq mi) and an estimated total population of over 448 million." ----- nope, won't happen in our lifetime..........:1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

More pollution doesn't equal more global warming. The temperature when dinosaurs roamed the earth was about ten degrees warmer and the oceans were several feet higher. But, keep thinking "the sky is falling" if it makes you feel better. Personally, I welcome the warmer weather and would like to see warmer weather up North in the mountains. I do not wish to see the gov. waste taxpayer money on trying to make the world colder. The air is much cleaner than it was when I was a child and that does work for me. However, I can live to the nice old age of 100 with the air as it is right now. My old man survived a century during the worst pollution time period in this country, and the air is much cleaner now.
But, everyone needs something to occupy their idle minds.:laugh:
More pollution of the CO2 type DOES equal more Global Warming. It is actually the KEY mechanism. Cars and furnaces burn fossil fuel and wood. (That burning is the MAN-MADE component of Global Warming) The combustion gives off CO2. (Also currently some volcanoes are giving off CO2) The CO2 rises and forms a layer in the upper atmosphere that reflects much of the earth's HEAT back to the earth which raises the temperature of the earth (note : some HEAT does escape off into space)
........The effects of man-made Global Warming have been observed by climate scientists to be increasing rapidly in about the last 8 years as recorded by tests like global ocean rise, coral reef deaths, and glaciers melting in BOTH poles.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, of course. After all, there really isn't a European Union.....:1rotfl:
"The European Union ( EU) is a supranational political and economic union of 27 member states that are located primarily in Europe. [7] [8] The union has a total area of 4,233,255 km 2 (1,634,469 sq mi) and an estimated total population of over 448 million." ----- nope, won't happen in our lifetime..........:1rotfl:
The European Union is a long way from that conspiracy theory about a one-world government. We will ALL be dead before Russia joins the EU. (if EVER)

[sounding]

More pollution of the CO2 type DOES equal more Global Warming. It is actually the KEY mechanism. Cars and furnaces burn fossil fuel and wood. (That burning is the MAN-MADE component of Global Warming) The combustion gives off CO2. (Also currently some volcanoes are giving off CO2) The CO2 rises and forms a layer in the upper atmosphere that reflects much of the earth's HEAT back to the earth which raises the temperature of the earth (note : some HEAT does escape off into space)
........The effects of man-made Global Warming have been observed by climate scientists to be increasing rapidly in about the last 8 years as recorded by tests like global ocean rise, coral reef deaths, and glaciers melting in BOTH poles.

If more CO2 means more warming -- then why are we cooling?

[Two Bills]

Someone please change the needle, the record has stuck again!:icon_bored:

[JMintzer]

But that would mean watching something other than Fox News, which is a foreign concept to many TOTV posters.

FOX NEWS! Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

Someone please change the needle, the record has stuck again!:icon_bored:

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