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Bogie Shooter
12-23-2010, 09:05 AM
A resident was in his car on Canal Street waiting for a vehicle to leave a parking space. A man came up from the vehicle behind him, became verbally aggressive and showed he had a handgun. The man with the gun faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, without intent to kill, bond was $7000. This was reported in the Daily Sun 12/23.
Be careful out there, you never know when a gun tottin person will lose their marbles.
iandwk
12-23-2010, 09:36 AM
He claimed he did not show his gun. Suuure.
It's good that it didn't escalate any further. The victim could have gotten out of his car and it may have been a real mess.
Larry Wilson
12-23-2010, 09:38 AM
A resident was in his car on Canal Street waiting for a vehicle to leave a parking space. A man came up from the vehicle behind him, became verbally aggressive and showed he had a handgun. The man with the gun faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, without intent to kill, bond was $7000. This was reported in the Daily Sun 12/23.
Be careful out there, you never know when a gun tottin person will lose their marbles.
Good reminder. Thanks for posting.
JenAjd
12-23-2010, 09:40 AM
Same night....was in Johnny Rockets when a guy was loudly verbally abusive of the wait-staff. Another patron got into the ruckus and there was a very loud word exchange that could have (but didn't esculate). It was embarrassing actually---to observe adults with that kind of behavior.
gongoozler
12-23-2010, 09:44 AM
A resident was in his car on Canal Street waiting for a vehicle to leave a parking space. A man came up from the vehicle behind him, became verbally aggressive and showed he had a handgun. The man with the gun faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, without intent to kill, bond was $7000. This was reported in the Daily Sun 12/23.
Be careful out there, you never know when a gun tottin person will lose their marbles.
If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.
Talk Host
12-23-2010, 09:49 AM
A year or so ago, on Calumet, I came up on two residents in the middle of the street, nose to nose, like teenagers. They were ready to fight. It appeared as if both were operating golf carts and one pulled out in front of the other.
A couple of other passers-by and I tried to calm the situation, but it escalated and we almost got sucked into the fight. Both guys were now verbally assaulting us.
There was nothing we could do to calm it. It went on for a few minutes and after much prodding by the observers, they returned to their respective carts screaming and swearing at each other.
I had to keep telling myself that I wasn't watching a television program, that this was happening right in front of me. I wanted to call the police, but I didn't know who to call or what good it would have done.
JLK
Talk Host
12-23-2010, 09:51 AM
If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.
Apparently not.
Shirleevee
12-23-2010, 10:05 AM
A year or so ago, on Calumet, I came up on two residents in the middle of the street, nose to nose, like teenagers. They were ready to fight. It appeared as if both were operating golf carts and one pulled out in front of the other.
A couple of other passers-by and I tried to calm the situation, but it escalated and we almost got sucked into the fight. Both guys were now verbally assaulting us.
There was nothing we could do to calm it. It went on for a few minutes and after much prodding by the observers, they returned to their respective carts screaming and swearing at each other.
I had to keep telling myself that I wasn't watching a television program, that this was happening right in front of me. I wanted to call the police, but I didn't know who to call or what good it would have done.
JLK
Not *everyone* here is a nice as we would like them to be. My husband was called a not so nice word one morning in TooJays, by someone who apparently didn't like how long it took him to get a bill corrected. Sad but true!
Taltarzac
12-23-2010, 10:11 AM
A resident was in his car on Canal Street waiting for a vehicle to leave a parking space. A man came up from the vehicle behind him, became verbally aggressive and showed he had a handgun. The man with the gun faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, without intent to kill, bond was $7000. This was reported in the Daily Sun 12/23.
Be careful out there, you never know when a gun tottin person will lose their marbles.
This looks like it was on Lake Sumter Town Square from the article on C4 in Today's Villages Daily Sun.
The Holiday season seems kind of to bring out the worst in some people.
A few days ago, I went to the Summerfield CVS on US 441/27 and had to hear a mouthful from one of those guys holding up signs for work just because he saw an easy target when I decided to return a grocery cart to the CVS outside cart cages. He was throwing away one of his signs in the CVS trash and saw a person to tell his troubles to. Then he followed me as I went to my car to go on my way. I did not say a word to him but just wanted to leave.
No wonder so many grocery carts were out in the parking lot at that Summerfield CVS if the sign people tried CVS shoppers for work and probably spare change tips.
I know I should probably have lent more of an ear but did not really want to talk to sign people.
That will probably be my last trip to the Summerfield CVS too.
Larry Wilson
12-23-2010, 10:18 AM
Shirleevee,
You are soo right. We have lived here 7 years full time and the longer you live here, the more you will see things. Fights at the town centers, horn blowing, swearing, burglaries, stolen clubs and golf bags etc. We love it here but with this many people ( we're big) there is bound to be some jerks. The message is to be careful. Just this morning there was a car on the tail of another car blowing his horn and chasing him around the parking lot of Laurel Manor!! Have no idea how that ended!!
Larryandlinda
12-23-2010, 10:26 AM
<snip>
I had to keep telling myself that I wasn't watching a television program, that this was happening right in front of me. I wanted to call the police, but I didn't know who to call or what good it would have done.
JLK
Wonder if such a place would ever be the subject of a reality show!
We don't call it 'TV' for nothing!
Thank heavens it went back to 'normal'
L and L
You never know what type of person you are going to meet here. A few months ago, my husband and I went to a craft show at Colony Plaza. We were in our cart and parked. While walking among the booths, this man came up to my husband and started poking him in the shoulder screaming that we had taken his parking spot! Apparently he had seen the spot and was coming around to it but we had already parked there. Mind you, we had never even seen him in the lot but he somehow thought that the spot was his. He kept screaming and punching (by now) my husband's shoulder. My husband is a former psychiatric nurse so he just kept walking and gently talking to this nut. I, on the other hand, pulled out my cell phone and told the man that I was calling 911 and that we would be pressing assault charges. His wife finally pulled him away when I said that. Imagine if he had been licensed to carry!
2BNTV
12-23-2010, 11:46 AM
These incidents is a sad reminder is that we all should still be careful in dealing with people.
I would like to think that now we have reached the "retirement" years that it is a time to relax and enjoy what life has to offer us.
I guess some people didn't get the memo or e-mail.
skyguy79
12-23-2010, 11:56 AM
While walking among the booths, this man came up to my husband and started poking him in the shoulder screaming that we had taken his parking spot! Now let's see... what kind of answer would we have liked to have given the screamer; "Can I see your deed to the parking spot?" or "Gosh, If your spot had been posted "NO TRESPASSING" I'm sure I would have obeyed your orders." :boxing2:
Reminds me of some customers I had before I retired!
JimJoe
12-23-2010, 12:05 PM
You never know what type of person you are going to meet here. A few months ago, my husband and I went to a craft show at Colony Plaza. We were in our cart and parked. While walking among the booths, this man came up to my husband and started poking him in the shoulder screaming that we had taken his parking spot! Apparently he had seen the spot and was coming around to it but we had already parked there. Mind you, we had never even seen him in the lot but he somehow thought that the spot was his. He kept screaming and punching (by now) my husband's shoulder. My husband is a former psychiatric nurse so he just kept walking and gently talking to this nut. I, on the other hand, pulled out my cell phone and told the man that I was calling 911 and that we would be pressing assault charges. His wife finally pulled him away when I said that. Imagine if he had been licensed to carry!
Imagine if he had pulled a gun or a knife and there was no one there who was licensed to carry.
Bogie Shooter
12-23-2010, 12:14 PM
Imagine if he had pulled a gun or a knife and there was no one there who was licensed to carry.
Do you suppose the guy who pulled the gun on Canal Street was licensed to carry??
This year there does seem to be more stressed responses being noticed. Not sure if they are from new community members who haven't yet let go of their daily work mentality which might have been filled with lots of stress filled situations, or if it's from long time residents that are noticing the growth and more traffic or ???
Doesn't matter what, it's just wrong to be so uptight about parking spaces. There's always another one to be found. This isn't downtown LA, New York, Chicago, there's lots around and generally a place to park a car or cart.
Since it's the holiday season, and that alone can put some people "over the top," I'll give them any space they want. It's not worth spoiling one's day about something that's really not significant. However, if they intimate they are "packing a piece," my cell phone dials 911 immediately and then I snap a picture. I'm pretty good with that phone camera if I do say so myself... ;)
islandgal
12-23-2010, 12:34 PM
I sadly think more of these incidents appear with the rapid growth of our population.
I personally think there should be more security around in plain sight.
We come from so many different locations and sadly, as they say, it takes all kinds - hopefully only a few disorderly ones surface.
I can only imagine what those residents think who have lived here ten years or more. Would like to hear their input.
graciegirl
12-23-2010, 12:48 PM
If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.
YOU are my new best friend. I keep saying the same thing, but people with guns take me on every time.
Merry Christmas to YOU.
Sherman931
12-23-2010, 01:11 PM
OMG..after reading this thread I feel as if I am back in south Florida.
Barefoot
12-23-2010, 01:33 PM
I read somewhere that The Villages is larger than Daytona Beach. Of course we'll have a certain percentage of crazies.
I don't believe in living a fearful or suspicious life. But there are unbalanced people out there. I hope that we can all be watchful and take good care of each other.
paulandjean
12-23-2010, 02:41 PM
Boys will be boys
Minnesotalyn
12-23-2010, 03:02 PM
Some times as people age their brains don't work so well any more. That's sad.
I've been thinking about this all the time we were out shopping this afternoon. No one seemed particularly aggressive, but not as many smiles as I've seen at other times. Maybe it's crunch time for gift getting and people are pretty serious about their shopping experience. I've also wondered just how many males around here might be on testosterone therapy. It's not an uncommon thing, low testosterone in older males, but too much isn't a good thing, it can bring about a more "aggressive" side to the personality....then again, some who aren't as nice as one would hope, especially during this holiday season, could just be, well, not nice.
I'm sure what we see is still better than what one might encounter in other areas. Most here are nice and TV is a much safer place to live than so many other locales.
ijusluvit
12-23-2010, 03:29 PM
Does anyone know in which states the guy with the gun would have been within the law?
Larryandlinda
12-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Does anyone know in which states the guy with the gun would have been within the law?
figuratively it would a state of unlawfulness,
but literally we have heard there are few in the southwest where college students and others pack more than lunches
aren't there shootings in which the owner's firearm is used against him/her?
let's keep TV safe and sane.
Bicycles must be a great way to relieve the stress of traffic.
We have never heard of a bicyclist pulling a gun or exercising violent road rage.
L and L
Shirleevee
12-23-2010, 04:10 PM
Does anyone know in which states the guy with the gun would have been within the law?
www.handgunlaw.us
graciegirl
12-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Oh Pooh. I was out today, and got a hug from the Kroger manager and a hug from the butcher and a handshake and a Merry Christmas from the guy behind the postal counter that I see almost every day with my ebay packages and three smiles from little ones in strollers and lots of smiles from people not as old as me.
Christmas is definitely on the way here in Ohio. I will send good cheer to you and you can pass it on.
I just love you, Pooh.
Merry Christmas.
Larryandlinda
12-23-2010, 04:44 PM
If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.
is security at the gates - they are slow enough..
But the public areas are excluded anyway.
There was some chatter that Brownwood might be a greater attraction for riff raffers, but we are sure things will be under control.
L and L
brostholder
12-23-2010, 04:46 PM
My anti-thread comments. Today, I rented a golf cart for the week and of course got lost. I whipped out my trusty map and before I even had it unfolded two of the nicest women stopped to ask me if I needed help. Not only did they give me directions, but they turned around and went out of their way to show me the way and to get me going in the right direction. When I got to my destination we started chatting with a couple that just moved here from British Columbia. Never met them before but spent 30 minutes in the most delightful conversation. So, for every one of those nuts, there are hundreds of great villagers.
Midge538
12-23-2010, 04:51 PM
So, for every one of those nuts, there are hundreds of great villagers. No, not hundreds, there are 'really' thousands.
redwitch
12-23-2010, 04:53 PM
As most of you know, I'm one of those gun-totin' mamas. I have a valid reason for carrying at all times and they have nothing to do with TV. I have carried for the past 5 years. Other than using it at the range and cleaning it at home, I have NEVER pulled it out, not even to show someone who asked to see it. And I won't. If that gun comes out for any reason other than to be cleaned or moved to a different location (purse, bedside, etc.), it is because I plan to use it.
For some idiot to get so angry because he's delayed while someone waits for a parking spot that he has to show he has a weapon is downright scary. There really should be psychiatric tests taken before someone is allowed to get a concealed weapon license, especially about anger issues. Personally, I firmly believe that a concealed weapon license should be issued sparingly and there better be a dang good reason for needing one, not just some petty ego trip. It really is too easy to get one in Florida.
Now, having said all of that, I was out and about today -- in Sam's, at the Dollar Store, Kohl's, the airport, Sweet Bay and Publix. I had a great time (which is saying something considering I think shopping rates right up there with getting a shot). My arm was in the sling to keep people from accidently hitting the elbow and people were extremely kind, helping me when I struggled, smiling, not pushing or shoving, even waiting politely for parking spaces. I heard Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays constantly. There still is a lot of kindness and warmth in TV. The jerks are far outnumbered by the good, kind ones.
Gracie, have no fear, TV is still your kind of world and will be for a long, long time to come.
Jane52
12-23-2010, 05:36 PM
Imagine if he had pulled a gun or a knife and there was no one there who was licensed to carry.
EXACTLY! It took an armed security guard to take down the crazed guy shooting at the school board! The lady swinging the purse had guts, but her attempt failed.
thistrucksforyou
12-23-2010, 06:06 PM
Does anyone know in which states the guy with the gun would have been within the law?
In Indiana you can be approved to carry a fire arm for many reasons , but it has to be visible....This sometime makes people feel funny when standing in line at there favorite star bucks and the person in front of you is packing a visible hand gun....
Oh Pooh. I was out today, and got a hug from the Kroger manager and a hug from the butcher and a handshake and a Merry Christmas from the guy behind the postal counter that I see almost every day with my ebay packages and three smiles from little ones in strollers and lots of smiles from people not as old as me.
Christmas is definitely on the way here in Ohio. I will send good cheer to you and you can pass it on.
I just love you, Pooh.
Merry Christmas.
Love you, too, Gracie. All the clerks I dealt with today were bright and cheerful. They've really been working hard, there have been lots of shoppers, at least when I've been out there in the trenches.... ;)
I'm so happy you received such great wishes from those you do business with, it's nice to send and receive good feelings from others. We need more hugs in this world.
Merry Christmas, GG, to you and all you love and all who love you.
downeaster
12-23-2010, 06:23 PM
I sadly think more of these incidents appear with the rapid growth of our population.
I personally think there should be more security around in plain sight.
We come from so many different locations and sadly, as they say, it takes all kinds - hopefully only a few disorderly ones surface.
I can only imagine what those residents think who have lived here ten years or more. Would like to hear their input.
I have lived here full time for nearly ten years. I have never witnessed the kind of behavior mentioned in this thread. (I did see a guy dancing with a lamp post in Spanish Springs. The lamp post didn't seem to object and he was not bothering anyone.)
I have witnessed many acts of kindness and consideration.
By the way, your cell phone can be a deterrent. I was recently approached by a persistent pan handler. (Not in TV) He was young, big and aggressive. I pulled my cell phone from my pocket and he took off. Whether he was camera shy or thought I was dialing 911, it worked.
In Fl, it is illegal to show a handgun for which the carrier has a concealed permit UNLESS the carrier is threatened with harm to life. Concealed means just that...concealed until needed for use. If this guy does have a permit, he won't have it much longer!
A resident was in his car on Canal Street waiting for a vehicle to leave a parking space. A man came up from the vehicle behind him, became verbally aggressive and showed he had a handgun. The man with the gun faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, without intent to kill, bond was $7000. This was reported in the Daily Sun 12/23.
Be careful out there, you never know when a gun tottin person will lose their marbles.
1. Obviously, this is not the complete story. If it is, the guy should be disarmed and sent for mental observation.
2. As expected, all of the anti-gun crazies chime in.
3 I want to challenge you. (the anti-gun people, that is)I want you to put yourself in the shoes of the criminal. Seriously, what does he think about guns. You claim to be enlightened. Be so. Take a look at the gun issue from the criminals point of view. Then, I would like to hear your opinion.
Yoda
Xavier
12-23-2010, 07:02 PM
Imagine if he had pulled a gun or a knife and there was no one there who was licensed to carry.
I just knew it would go there!
X
Bogie Shooter
12-23-2010, 07:17 PM
1. Obviously, this is not the complete story. If it is, the guy should be disarmed and sent for mental observation.
2. As expected, all of the anti-gun crazies chime in.
3 I want to challenge you. (the anti-gun people, that is)I want you to put yourself in the shoes of the criminal. Seriously, what does he think about guns. You claim to be enlightened. Be so. Take a look at the gun issue from the criminals point of view. Then, I would like to hear your opinion.
Yoda
Was the guy waiting for the car to exit the parking space a criminal??
Bogie Shooter
12-23-2010, 07:18 PM
Does anyone know in which states the guy with the gun would have been within the law?
Within the law to threaten somone with a gun??
Uptown Girl
12-23-2010, 08:20 PM
I missed the Daily Sun article, but I liked hearing that the culprit WAS apprehended, has a hefty bail and that it was reported in your Daily Sun.
Similar goofballs with illusions of entitlement and short fuses may read the news and decide it's not worth it to have a tantrum.
I've lived in or near Chicago all of my life. It's good to know that when Hubby and I finally get to live in TV, we will rest assured that police business is taken care of in your beautiful Villages.
1. Obviously, this is not the complete story. If it is, the guy should be disarmed and sent for mental observation.
2. As expected, all of the anti-gun crazies chime in.
3 I want to challenge you. (the anti-gun people, that is)I want you to put yourself in the shoes of the criminal. Seriously, what does he think about guns. You claim to be enlightened. Be so. Take a look at the gun issue from the criminals point of view. Then, I would like to hear your opinion.
Yoda
No one is being anti-gun crazy, Yoda. No one wants to be threatened with a gun for parking spaces. Would you?
Put yourself in the shoes of the criminal? You're kidding...why? Why would we give a rat's butt about what a criminal thinks of guns?
Oh, you're being sarcastic, right?.... ;)
Merry Christmas Yoda!
No one is being anti-gun crazy, Yoda. No one wants to be threatened with a gun for parking spaces. Would you?
Put yourself in the shoes of the criminal? You're kidding...why? Why would we give a rat's butt about what a criminal thinks of guns?
Oh, you're being sarcastic, right?.... ;)
Merry Christmas Yoda!
You make my point for me, thanks
Merry Christmas
Larryandlinda
12-23-2010, 10:54 PM
<snip>
2. As expected, all of the anti-gun crazies chime in.
3 I want to challenge you. (the anti-gun people, that is)I want you to put yourself in the shoes of the criminal. Seriously, what does he think about guns. You claim to be enlightened. Be so. Take a look at the gun issue from the criminals point of view. Then, I would like to hear your opinion.
Yoda
Though we are neither agreeing nor disagreeing with any of your points,
we are wondering what anti gun has to do with being crazy.
And do a few replies warrant the comment that ALL the anti-gun crazies are responding -There are many more of them out there for sure.
Some experienced statistical type could very well make a point that there might be as many or more crazy gun toters.
Here's something on which we can all agree - we are all better off if someone were crazy.... that they be anti-gun rather than a packer!!
The tune of this season is peace, bro.
L and L
VT2TV
12-24-2010, 01:38 AM
I am sure I will be flamed for posting this, but this is only my opinion. We have lived in TV for almost 2 months. Before we moved we read about "the friendliest hometown". So we decided to move here. Now, we are very happy we moved and do love the area. BUT, we have not found it to be overly friendly at all, rather the opposite. The second week we were here we bought a golf cart. We were driving home after dark-in the cold rain, of course-and got lost. Imagine that :) WE pulled over off the path onto the grass, and were huddled sitting using a flashlight trying to read the map and figure out how to get home. We were passed by at least 10-15 golf carts, and NOT ONE cart stopped to offer help. I am female and was driving with my husband in passenger seat. Since then we have had too numerous to count occasions when people have blown horns at us and tailgated us when in our car. We drive the speed limit-not over and not under. I would be willing to bet that very few people in TV notice that the speed limit going into Spanish Springs is 10mph. We have had a lot of communication from people over that. Today, I drove the cart from El Camino to Pennecamp, and decided just for curiosity to do a test. I waved to every person I met or passed in the golf cart. It was VERY busy today, and my guess would be that I passed about 50-75 cars, golf cart, bicycles, and walkers. I smiled and waved and about 5 people returned my wave. Now I know you have to factor in many things--people who didn't see me, men who might not want to wave to a female alone in a cart, men with a woman with them who also didn't want to wave to anothe female, and people watching the road. But even with all that I think this was sad. I am very friendly-my nickname at work was Mary Sunshine because I am mostly optomistic. I do have to say that for the most part the people I actually meet are very friendly!!!! And some people ALWAYS wave=like the gate keepers And we could not ask for better neighbors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Wonderful people!!!! So I am afraid that TV might be changing from the way it used to be. I think probably the reason that most affects the change is that more and more people in TV are renters, and for the most part (NOT ALL-so don't flame me) are not the same type of people who live here or plan to live here full time. With the place getting so large, it is bound to change some, but I am afraid that it is going to become a lot like a resort or time share. With such a large turn over, of course you aren't going to be able to get to know the people here like those of you who have been living, (and coming) here for years are used too. I also have heard that people are concerned that Brownwood will have a lot of potential "problem people" there-this info from residents and store employees. I sure hope not. But as more and more people stay here, the rules that have made this a wonderful place to live will eventially fall by the wayside, I am afraid. Already, too many people make comments about doing what they like and getting by with it.
Sorry this is so long, and remember this is only my opinion and observation-which doesn't claim to be right-just mine. I can guarantee that many or most of you will not agree with me, but that is ok, because this is just my opinion.
redwitch
12-24-2010, 04:03 AM
VT, I'm sorry no one stopped to help you. I understand it was dark and raining and that does make it harder to stop, but I'm ashamed that no one offered to help you. I will admit that I hesitate to help someone when it gets dark, but if they are in obvious distress, I will. I'm not sure I would count getting lost as obvious distress, but I might help them, depending on timing, mood, etc.
As to the waving, that's just a shame. I don't necessarily wave, but I do nod my head and smile or raise my fingers from the steering wheel. Hopefully, there were some who did this but you didn't see them.
I don't think that the renters have increased by percentages. By numbers, yes, since there are more houses, but I think the ratio of homeowners to snowbirds/flakes to renters is probably pretty much the same. What you are finding now is the snowbirds. It takes them about a month to relax from being city dwellers with the stress of getting to work on time, etc. to the slower pace here. Once they settle in, things usually get back to being much more friendly. Usually by mid-February people are calmer and nicer. And, whether they wave or not, you have discovered that on a one-on-one meeting, they are friendly, which is rare is most communities.
Hopefully, your opinion will change to meet your past expectations.
While I certainly don’t condone the actions of the aggressor in this incident, I can understand his anger. Yesterday I was at the Wal-Mart loading my groceries into the trunk of my car. I looked up to see a woman waiting in her car for my parking space while holding up two other vehicles behind her. And she continued to wait while I emptied the shopping cart and then walked it all the way over to the cart return area and back.
How selfish and inconsiderate can someone be to think that it is her God given right to hold up everyone else while she waits for a parking space to become available. It just boggles my mind.
graciegirl
12-24-2010, 09:37 AM
While I certainly don’t condone the actions of the aggressor in this incident, I can understand his anger. Yesterday I was at the Wal-Mart loading my groceries into the trunk of my car. I looked up to see a woman waiting in her car for my parking space while holding up two other vehicles behind her. And she continued to wait while I emptied the shopping cart and then walked it all the way over to the cart return area and back.
How selfish and inconsiderate can someone be to think that it is her God given right to hold up everyone else while she waits for a parking space to become available. It just boggles my mind.
Mine too, Edvin. I often wonder how they were raised.
Merry Christmas to you. I am so glad I finally got to meet you this year!!
LI SNOWBIRD
12-24-2010, 09:40 AM
Shirleevee,
You are soo right. We have lived here 7 years full time and the longer you live here, the more you will see things. Fights at the town centers, horn blowing, swearing, burglaries, stolen clubs and golf bags etc. We love it here but with this many people ( we're big) there is bound to be some jerks. The message is to be careful. Just this morning there was a car on the tail of another car blowing his horn and chasing him around the parking lot of Laurel Manor!! Have no idea how that ended!!
I'm remined of the Pogo quote, "We have met the enemy and he is us"
Tweety Bird
12-24-2010, 10:32 AM
Wonder if such a place would ever be the subject of a reality show!
We don't call it 'TV' for nothing!
Thank heavens it went back to 'normal'
L and L
THAT is brilliant! :BigApplause:
JimJoe
12-24-2010, 11:01 AM
I just knew it would go there!
X
I didnt take it there. It was there in post 12.
I do not think any of these problems have any connection with being licensed to carry.
ijusluvit
12-24-2010, 03:38 PM
Within the law to threaten somone with a gun??
I was not referring to any threat, because it was not clearly established in the report that one was made. I was referring to "open carry" states, where a guy could get out of a car, be mad as hell, and display his holstered sidearm for all the world to see: and be entirely within the law.
Since I asked the question, I have found out that is the case at least in Arizona, Alaska and New Hampshire.
Tbugs
12-24-2010, 04:32 PM
And if that guy even moved his hand toward the holstered pistol, he would be found guilty of assault with a deadly weapon.
Arizona, Alaska, and New Hampshire are definitely not typical of the USA - and hopefully any Villager from those states will have the smarts not to carry a pistol with them. No need for it here.
GatorFan
12-24-2010, 05:45 PM
I park where there is a parking space. I figure the FEW extra steps are good for me. People fighting over a parking space to save a few feet of walking makes no sense to me.
Pturner
12-24-2010, 08:32 PM
My experiences here so far have been that TV still is the friendliest of hometowns. There will always be a few bad apples. We also need to consider that for many people, for a variety of reasons, Christmas is an especially stressful time of year.
However, all of us who want TV to remain "Florida's friendliest hometown" can do much to make it so. Wave to everyone in their carts whether they wave back or not. Smile and say thank you to people in service jobs who help you. Strike up friendly conversations! Make a point of doing or saying something particularly kind for someone every day.
Let's do Pogo in reverse: "We have met the friendliest people ever... and they are us!"
Merry Christmas, dearest Villagers!
getdul981
12-24-2010, 09:24 PM
While I certainly don’t condone the actions of the aggressor in this incident, I can understand his anger. Yesterday I was at the Wal-Mart loading my groceries into the trunk of my car. I looked up to see a woman waiting in her car for my parking space while holding up two other vehicles behind her. And she continued to wait while I emptied the shopping cart and then walked it all the way over to the cart return area and back.
How selfish and inconsiderate can someone be to think that it is her God given right to hold up everyone else while she waits for a parking space to become available. It just boggles my mind.
I would be tempted to go back in Wal-Mart, just for the heck of it. I like to walk thru the parking lot an aisle or two away from my car and watch the cars following me. Then I cross over a couple of aisles and see how they react. :icon_twisted::icon_twisted:
......Merry Christmas to you. I am so glad I finally got to meet you this year!!
You too GG.
Larryandlinda
12-25-2010, 07:49 AM
I would be tempted to go back in Wal-Mart, just for the heck of it. I like to walk thru the parking lot an aisle or two away from my car and watch the cars following me. Then I cross over a couple of aisles and see how they react. :icon_twisted::icon_twisted:
That's always fun and educational.
Since we don't use AC, we always park under the closest tree if available and usually several spaces from the congestion - ez in/out, fewer dings, and a little exercise!
An extra row or two, ten more spaces....what's that, maybe fifteen seconds?
Chill!
L and L
Tbugs
12-25-2010, 11:28 AM
Linda and Larry,
You do not use air conditioning in your car? Why? I presume you do use A/C in your home in the hot times of the year. I came from Maryland and know the summers are more humid than in The Villages.
Larryandlinda
12-25-2010, 11:53 AM
Linda and Larry,
You do not use air conditioning in your car? Why? I presume you do use A/C in your home in the hot times of the year. I came from Maryland and know the summers are more humid than in The Villages.
We use it on the hiways at higher speeds when open windows are a nuisance and it's in the 90's/100's
Around TV (when we're not on bikes) we prefer to get used to the ambiant outside temps and it's helped us grow tolerant and fond of those peaceful low traffic summers when we visit (and have our own place that's usually un rented)
Before we bought we came during the week of longest day (June 21) and the hottest weekend (late august) to see how it was and passed the test.
We figure we gotta go outside sometime, so crawling from an AC'd home to car to stores was too many changes, so we just try to acclimate.
We crank it up at night in the summers if it's over 85 in the house.
we went with fans and shade control in Md all summer, 2010.
We draw air in at night till it's cooler and close then shades and windows to keep it in til it - it can last til the evening if it doesn't get near 100
Fans are our friends.
and when we have guests in the home or car, they are in charge, they get it their way with no guilt ever.
This has been helpful, too:
http://www.wikihow.com/Sleep-Comfortably-on-a-Hot-Night
We have friends in a premier in TV and they are non-climate controllers too.
Older than us, dog owners, and bicyclers.
A big reason for them and us is that since biking is what we love, it makes going out easy.
Oops, sorry this was sooo off topic, but sometimes those things happen as we get forgetful.
besides, as much as we care, topicality can go as astray (as the ball did so many times the one time we went golfing in the 60's)
L and L
l2ridehd
12-25-2010, 12:08 PM
I would have also gone back in the store. People that block traffic to wait for a parking spot are inconsiderate at best, and think only of themselves. Now maybe she had a sprained ankle or something. Not enough for a handi-cap sticker but enough to want a closer spot.
L&L I live in VA and seldom use home AC for the same reasons. I live on a very wooded lot and use ceiling fans and a whole house fan at night. It brings the house down to a very comfortable temperature and by closing the windows and shades in the AM it stays there most of the day. Last summer which was hotter then usual, I used it maybe two weeks. A couple summers ago when it was just average I never turned it on. THe trees, shade, fans and managing there timing goes a long way to keeping the house cool and having fresh air to breathe all the time. In and around DC I do find it is needed in the car as traffic is so bad your usually sitting waiting a lot and it does get hot without the AC.
Larryandlinda
12-25-2010, 12:15 PM
I would have also gone back in the store. People that block traffic to wait for a parking spot are inconsiderate at best, and think only of themselves. Now maybe she had a sprained ankle or something. Not enough for a handi-cap sticker but enough to want a closer spot.
L&L I live in VA and seldom use home AC for the same reasons. I live on a very wooded lot and use ceiling fans and a whole house fan at night. It brings the house down to a very comfortable temperature and by closing the windows and shades in the AM it stays there most of the day. Last summer which was hotter then usual, I used it maybe two weeks. A couple summers ago when it was just average I never turned it on. THe trees, shade, fans and managing there timing goes a long way to keeping the house cool and having fresh air to breathe all the time. In and around DC I do find it is needed in the car as traffic is so bad your usually sitting waiting a lot and it does get hot without the AC.
Good for you.
We like it stuck in traffic as well, but you see, about 6 years ago.... a horizontal steel pole fence post found its way into the grille of our van....it pushed its way almost into the engine block
we got a radiator core but opted out of the $1500 AC repair if only the fence would have warned us it was coming.
you probably like to get used to the outside if you're a biker too.
Our air cooled 1950 scooter hates heat and standing still she gets a little smoky on a hot day.
We avoid traffic and parades as a result
L and L
Vinny
12-26-2010, 11:40 PM
If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.
Is it the safest place just like we are a "gated" community? People carry guns for the same reason people wear seat belts. Does anyone take off their seat belt when they are on "safe" streets with no other traffic. Take a look at the crime statistics for your county and you may be surprised to learn your odds of being a victim of crime. Florida's crime rates were a shock to me as I looked at the various counties statistics before I made up my mind where to move. I lived in NJ and our crime rate was lower than all of the places i looked at in Florida.
As I am fond of telling people here, even criminals retire and go to Florida.
getdul981
12-27-2010, 07:29 AM
Is it the safest place just like we are a "gated" community? People carry guns for the same reason people wear seat belts. Does anyone take off their seat belt when they are on "safe" streets with no other traffic. Take a look at the crime statistics for your county and you may be surprised to learn your odds of being a victim of crime. Florida's crime rates were a shock to me as I looked at the various counties statistics before I made up my mind where to move. I lived in NJ and our crime rate was lower than all of the places i looked at in Florida.
As I am fond of telling people here, even criminals retire and go to Florida.
Vinny - I agree 100%, but if the criminals are truly retired, that solves the problem, doesn't it?
BobKat1
12-27-2010, 08:59 AM
Vinny - I agree 100%, but if the criminals are truly retired, that solves the problem, doesn't it?
Maybe some retire from full time work and just do it on a part time basis.
graciegirl
12-27-2010, 09:18 AM
I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.
redwitch
12-27-2010, 09:57 AM
I've seen comments on this thread and threads in the past stating that the gun toters honestly believe their friends and neighbors will be grateful that they carry should the need arise. Frankly, I don't get it. I carry. Sorry, if your home is getting burglared, I'm not going to kill someone to protect your property. If you get into an altercation and no weapon is in sight, I'm not shooting someone. In other words, the only way I'm pulling a gun out is if someone is in true danger of getting killed (not hurt, KILLED). I was taught to aim for the heart and head and I'm very accurate, whether a moving target and one that is still. I'm not going to try to wound someone, I'm going to do my best to kill them and, if I'm going to do that, then I better have a dang good reason for using that weapon. So should any other gun owner.
Few social workers carry and they go into some seriously bad areas and they're not the most popular people in those areas. I used to deliver food for Project Open Hand in Oakland and I would deliver in some pretty bad gang-infested, drug dealing neighborhoods, including the Avenues, Oakland West and even into Richmond. I never had the need for a gun.
What frightens me is that so few are truly trained and I really don't want them "helping" me if the need should arise. The odds are just as high that they'd wound my stalker and get him angrier or, worse, hit me as stop him from hurting me. Just because you carry doesn't mean you have a clue or the wherewithal to do what is necessary if the need should arise.
So, if you have a need to carry, know how to use your weapon properly, understand you are carrying to kill (not threaten, not gesture, not wound), then carry whether in TV or not. A gun can be a useful tool regardless of where you are. It can also be a great instrument in demonstrating exactly how stupid you are (like showing a gun because someone is keeping you from readhing your destination while waiting for a parking space or getting "your" parking space). Treat it with the respect it deserves. Better yet, treat others with respect and maybe you'll never have the need for that gun you so proudly carry.
(Boy, do I have a lot of soapboxes, but this is a true biggie for me.)
nitehawk
12-27-2010, 10:35 AM
I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html
Larryandlinda
12-27-2010, 11:12 AM
I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html
thanks for posting that article.
it is one of thousands.
Socio-scientific studies are numerous as well, but it's a tough argument to make with a gun fan - they have strong wills and are backed by a strong
lobby.
Fortunately people like Red are responsible according to what we read here.
She knows just when she would need it. If she were threatened.
But we have always wondered something. Drawing and discharging are human-, not computer-controlled. Powder can project lead faster than judgements can be made.
So lets hypothetically say.... someone's up to something.
Altercation, robbery, whatever.
The responsible, trained, law-abiding gun carrier senses/feels/knows/assumes that there's 'life-not-just-injury' being threatened. Maybe the perp reaches for the 'heater', and the vigilante does as well. So the perp was just messin' 'round and threatening only.
What's the call? ball or strike? Fair or foul? fielder's choice?
We're just asking....do you look for the pin moving, the fire from the barrel?
When do you make the choice to draw/fire?
Vigilante reaches, maybe draws.... then the perp feels threatened and blows you away or maybe wings you.
Then there are those situations when it's your own piece that gets used on you.
Remember, there are professional thugs out there better at what they do than what so many of the law-abiding toters can do.
It's just plain messy and that's all the arguing we will be doing.
We will forever feel for the friends we once knew who are gone from the effects of lead slugs - both their own and those of others.
L and L
I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html
sorry but your source is a crock. Stick with FBI stats and include them all, not just the ones that support your opinion.
Yoda
redwitch
12-27-2010, 04:18 PM
One thing I was taught and learned from experience was that if a weapon (knife or gun) is drawn don't wait, take aim and fire. If the idiot was just foolin' around, too bad. As I said, I would be very slow to pull out a weapon without good reason. The circumstances where I would with no hesitation are (1) someone who had seriously injured me in the past came near me (there would be no chance of him hurting me again); (2) if I saw someone draw a weapon while in a heated altercation; (3) if I saw someone draw a weapon while committing a crime. As I said, if I pull it out, I'm firing immediately. I'm not going to give you a warning that I'm going to shoot, I'm not going to stand there and wait for you to pull the trigger, I'm shooting and I'm aiming to kill. A police officer can aim to disable, can (well, must) warn. A private citizen should not because the risks become too high if the "bad" guys are given a chance.
I was told repeatedly that if I'm going to pull my gun out, I dang well better be prepared to use it. I think I am. I hope I never have to find out but I do know I've gotten the best training I could, I keep as up to date on my skills as humanly possible. So, if the circumstances require me to do what is necessary, I think I can.
The people that frighten me are the ones with the attitude that pulling a weapon will deter someone else from bad behavior but they have no intention of pulling the trigger. That just gives a bad guy a chance to get the weapon and use it against you. Pull it out and use it or don't even acknowledge that you have a concealed weapon.
thanks for posting that article.
it is one of thousands.
Socio-scientific studies are numerous as well, but it's a tough argument to make with a gun fan - they have strong wills and are backed by a strong
lobby.
Fortunately people like Red are responsible according to what we read here.
She knows just when she would need it. If she were threatened.
But we have always wondered something. Drawing and discharging are human-, not computer-controlled. Powder can project lead faster than judgements can be made.
So lets hypothetically say.... someone's up to something.
Altercation, robbery, whatever.
The responsible, trained, law-abiding gun carrier senses/feels/knows/assumes that there's 'life-not-just-injury' being threatened. Maybe the perp reaches for the 'heater', and the vigilante does as well. So the perp was just messin' 'round and threatening only.
What's the call? ball or strike? Fair or foul? fielder's choice?
We're just asking....do you look for the pin moving, the fire from the barrel?
When do you make the choice to draw/fire?
Vigilante reaches, maybe draws.... then the perp feels threatened and blows you away or maybe wings you.
Then there are those situations when it's your own piece that gets used on you.
Remember, there are professional thugs out there better at what they do than what so many of the law-abiding toters can do.
It's just plain messy and that's all the arguing we will be doing.
We will forever feel for the friends we once knew who are gone from the effects of lead slugs - bother their own and those of others.
L and L
I just don't know how to respond and not get banned.
Bless you.
Yoda
Talk Host
12-27-2010, 04:51 PM
I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.
Really? Rather than just saying it, please give specifics on how you have arrived at that conclusion. I'm wondering if that's opinion or fact.
cybrgeezer
12-27-2010, 05:29 PM
That's always fun and educational.
Since we don't use AC, we always park under the closest tree if available and usually several spaces from the congestion - ez in/out, fewer dings, and a little exercise!
An extra row or two, ten more spaces....what's that, maybe fifteen seconds?
Chill!
L and L
I've heard it said that one mark of a true Floridian is that, in the summer, s/he parks in the shade rather than in the closest space.
Larryandlinda
12-27-2010, 05:58 PM
I've heard it said that one mark of a true Floridian is that, in the summer, s/he parks in the shade rather than in the closest space.
Thanks
we feel so welcome!
true is better than false!
unless it's a drug test!
L and L
graciegirl
12-27-2010, 07:15 PM
Really? Rather than just saying it, please give specifics on how you have arrived at that conclusion. I'm wondering if that's opinion or fact.
That is my opinion boss.
BobKat1
12-27-2010, 07:59 PM
I wonder what % of TV residents legally carry? 1%-2% (700-1,500)? Even that seems like it might be high.
Seems like a non issue to me, as long a people aren't shooting each other and that seems to be the case.
Larryandlinda
12-27-2010, 08:01 PM
That is my opinion boss.
....the world's FOREMOST AUTHORITY of her own opinion!
L and L
nitehawk
12-27-2010, 09:04 PM
sorry but your source is a crock. Stick with FBI stats and include them all, not just the ones that support your opinion.
Yoda
WOOOO - slow down - Partner - this isnt HIGH NOON - just like to see the FBI stats (not NRA sites). Maybe i can see if you information is a crock. Or maybe we can meet a dawn with our seconds - under the clock in LSL chilout:smiley:
Larryandlinda
12-27-2010, 09:34 PM
WOOOO - slow down - Partner - this isnt HIGH NOON - just like to see the FBI stats (not NRA sites). Maybe i can see if you information is a crock. Or maybe we can meet a dawn with our seconds - under the clock in LSL chilout:smiley:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/awh/lowres/awhn350l.jpg
L and L
r_foye
12-27-2010, 09:44 PM
A police officer can aim to disable, can (well, must) warn.
As retired law enforcement I can tell we dont aim to disable or are we trained to disable. We shoot for "center mass." And police officers are not required to warn anyone before they shoot. That's televison, not real life.
nitehawk
12-27-2010, 09:48 PM
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/awh/lowres/awhn350l.jpg
L and L
Good One!!!
Talk Host
12-27-2010, 09:55 PM
There are 18,537,969 people in Florida. There are 767,739 concealed weapons permits currently active in this state. That's 1 in every 24 people. So, if there are 80,000 people in the Villages, there are 3,333 concealed weapons permits here too. Add to that number the retired law enforcement officers who don't need a permit.
JLK
bkcunningham1
12-27-2010, 09:58 PM
@nitehawk, no cartoons or cute emoticans or propoganda, just facts from Northwestern University School of Law, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, vol. 86, issue 1, 1995.
"Consistently, research also has indicated that victims who resist by using guns or other weapons are less likely to be injured compared to victims who do not resist or to those who resist without weapons. This is true whether the research relied on victim surveys or on police records, and whether the data analysis consisted of simple cross-tabulations or more complex multivariate analyses. These findings have been obtained with respect to robberies[5] and to assaults.[6] Cook[7] offers his unsupported personal opinion concerning robbery victims that resisting with a gun is only prudent if the robber does not have a gun. The primary data source on which Cook relies flatly contradicts this opinion. National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data indicate that even in the very disadvantageous situation where the robber has a gun, victims who resist with guns are still substantially less likely to be injured than those who resist in other ways, and even slightly less likely to be hurt than those who do not resist at all.[8] "
http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html
BobKat1
12-27-2010, 10:51 PM
There are 18,537,969 people in Florida. There are 767,739 concealed weapons permits currently active in this state. That's 1 in every 24 people. So, if there are 80,000 people in the Villages, there are 3,333 concealed weapons permits here too. Add to that number the retired law enforcement officers who don't need a permit.
JLK
That 1 in 24/4%/3,333 (not including retired officers) seems a bit high to me when you consider the demographics of TV vs. the population of Fl in general.
But that's just my seat of the pants opinion.
redwitch
12-27-2010, 11:25 PM
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 3,333 carrying here -- a lot of retired military on top of retired law enforcement and it really is easy to get a license in Florida.
graciegirl
12-28-2010, 06:10 AM
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 3,333 carrying here -- a lot of retired military on top of retired law enforcement and it really is easy to get a license in Florida.
But MOST people aren't interested in getting a license or carrying a gun. That is my opinion, boss.
I have a lot of close friends. Friends I know WELL. I think I would have a big gathering at my funeral if I kicked the bucket right now. I know of one or two who have a gun, but none who carry one around.
I sure do like those friends. I don't deserve them either. I know it sounded like I was bragging.
Not everyone is the same. Not everyone thinks the same, boss.
redwitch
12-28-2010, 06:28 AM
Gracie, you're not bragging but you're also wrong. You know me and I'd most definitely be there to say good-bye to you if it ever came to that. I carry at all times. I know of at least 3 others that have been to your home more than once that carry at least most of the time.
Most responsible gun owners don't brag about carrying, they rarely even mention they own a gun. I got my license shortly before I left California and have had a weapon on me at all times since then (even in Disney!). I didn't tell anyone that I carried for a long, long time but ultimately decided it was not fair to my friends and they should be able to make a choice whether they wanted a weapon in their home. And I do respect their wishes. You also have the "Smith & Wesson" bumper stickers idiots on their vehicles, but they're the exception rather than the rule when it comes to concealed licenses.
graciegirl
12-28-2010, 07:05 AM
Gracie, you're not bragging but you're also wrong. You know me and I'd most definitely be there to say good-bye to you if it ever came to that. I carry at all times. I know of at least 3 others that have been to your home more than once that carry at least most of the time.
Most responsible gun owners don't brag about carrying, they rarely even mention they own a gun. I got my license shortly before I left California and have had a weapon on me at all times since then (even in Disney!). I didn't tell anyone that I carried for a long, long time but ultimately decided it was not fair to my friends and they should be able to make a choice whether they wanted a weapon in their home. And I do respect their wishes. You also have the "Smith & Wesson" bumper stickers idiots on their vehicles, but they're the exception rather than the rule when it comes to concealed licenses.
You are my friend, Redwitch and I know you carry and I know one of the big reasons why you do. When I exit stage right, the folks who come to launch me probably won't have a firearm except for you.
We went to a funeral for a dear friend last week, and the folks gathered were life long, close friends. I was just musing to myself in the middle of the night, as I do when sleep escapes me at times....that they would probably be the same group who would stand next to me or Sweetie too when the time came.
Those friends are no better than a group who mostly carry a gun.
Everyone is different in this world.
I still stick by what I said for my other friends.
Please come to my funeral Redwitch, and dance and drink and celebrate, but don't shoot anyone.
BUT,.....I am not planning on leaving anytime soon.
You are my friend, Redwitch and I know you carry and I know one of the big reasons why you do. When I exit stage right, the folks who come to launch me probably won't have a firearm except for you.
We went to a funeral for a dear friend last week, and the folks gathered were life long, close friends. I was just musing to myself in the middle of the night, as I do when sleep escapes me at times....that they would probably be the same group who would stand next to me or Sweetie too when the time came.
Those friends are no better than a group who mostly carry a gun.
Everyone is different in this world.
I still stick by what I said for my other friends.
Please come to my funeral Redwitch, and dance and drink and celebrate, but don't shoot anyone.
BUT,.....I am not planning on leaving anytime soon.
Responsible gun owners don't advertise the fact that they carry or won a gun. Gracie you may be surprised. But if you ever need them ............
nitehawk
12-28-2010, 09:31 AM
There are 18,537,969 people in Florida. There are 767,739 concealed weapons permits currently active in this state. That's 1 in every 24 people. So, if there are 80,000 people in the Villages, there are 3,333 concealed weapons permits here too. Add to that number the retired law enforcement officers who don't need a permit.
JLK
Make that 3.334 No I take that back 3.333 - I dont feel the need to carry in TV - it really is an extra burden to carry for a man (no place to conceal especially when it hot) add to that you are not getting paid to carry. Its like walking around with walker when you don t need one. I guess the people who carry feel safer, maybe like the people who drive those large SUVs like the caddy escalades. I am looking for a new Tank, so i can feel safe while driving around. If i do decide to carry, it will be a S&W 44 magnum model 629 with the 10" barrel, which i will conceal in my front pants pocket. :smiley:
golf2140
12-28-2010, 11:14 AM
TV is still 1000% safer then any place else. :crap2:
Make that 3.334 No I take that back 3.333 - I dont feel the need to carry in TV - it really is an extra burden to carry for a man (no place to conceal especially when it hot) add to that you are not getting paid to carry. Its like walking around with walker when you don t need one. I guess the people who carry feel safer, maybe like the people who drive those large SUVs like the caddy escalades. I am looking for a new Tank, so i can feel safe while driving around. If i do decide to carry, it will be a S&W 44 magnum model 629 with the 10" barrel, which i will conceal in my front pants pocket. :smiley:
Try thunderware. I love mine.
http://www.thunderwear.com/
Yoda
duffysmom
12-28-2010, 05:02 PM
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Tbugs
12-28-2010, 06:19 PM
Watch out, Yoda, and don't shoot your winkie off.
mgm4444
12-28-2010, 07:51 PM
Watch out, Yoda, and don't shoot your winkie off.
LMAO !!!! I thought my family and I were the only ones that called it a "winkie" !!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
ok, this only means one thing...time to get ready for bed when I start laughin' like a 5 year old about something like this! -- thanks for the laugh, T!
graciegirl
12-28-2010, 08:04 PM
:1rotfl::1rotfl:You guys, You all.....
Ain't right.
I am so glad.
Because neither am I.
Winkie. (writing that one down)
Tbugs
12-28-2010, 08:50 PM
Linda & Larry,
I got a good laugh out of your private message on this topic. 100% agree with you.
Tbugs
Larryandlinda
12-28-2010, 09:00 PM
Linda & Larry,
I got a good laugh out of your private message on this topic. 100% agree with you.
Tbugs
yea, we pushed the public button, caught it. Thanks goodness TOTV allows you to edit and pull posts.
If only priceline and mail servers did that there would be fewer men in trouble, for pushing buttons prematurely, but that's not as bad as doing that with a trigger, wethinks
Feel free to pm anyone, but we pulled it (the posting!) because it might have been too poignant and it contained illusions to firearms and winkies
Maybe someone might get away with it but probably on 'just for fun'
this thread is serious and deals with matters life and death.
L and L
Pturner
12-28-2010, 09:22 PM
Try thunderware. I love mine.
http://www.thunderwear.com/
Yoda
Boxers or briefs? :popcorn:
Larryandlinda
12-28-2010, 09:27 PM
Boxers or briefs? :popcorn:
Boxers or Briefs down in TV?
Depends!
(someone was gonna say it)
L and L
bkcunningham1
12-28-2010, 09:33 PM
Boxers or briefs? :popcorn:
P, you crack me up!
redwitch
12-28-2010, 10:06 PM
L and L, y'all be demented. (Depends??) Sheesh! (But I loved it -- almost spit Coke on my screen.)
skyguy79
12-28-2010, 10:30 PM
Try thunderware. I love mine.
http://www.thunderwear.com/
YodaAre they also known as "Fruit of the Boom?" Do they make you feel good all under? And I don't want you to answer... "Depends!" :throwtomatoes:
Pturner
12-28-2010, 10:43 PM
Are they also known as "Fruit of the Boom?" Do they make you feel good all under? And I don't want you to answer... "Depends!" :throwtomatoes:
"Fruit of the Boom" That's hilarious!
Bill-n-Brillo
12-28-2010, 11:09 PM
..........If i do decide to carry, it will be a S&W 44 magnum model 629 with the 10" barrel, which i will conceal in my front pants pocket. :smiley:
Nighthawk......always trying to impress the women, eh? :a20:
Bill
Taltarzac
12-29-2010, 09:59 AM
"How safe is this type of carry? I'm concerned especially where it's located."
"Thunderwear Holsters are the safest Concealed Holsters you can own. First, the weapon is on top of the sensitive area of your body pointed down in between your feet. It's impossible to get your finger on the trigger until you extract your weapon. The fact is you actually feel more secure because your weapon will act as a "CUP" to protect the sensitive area of your body if under physical attack!"
Gives another meaning to singing soprano if the draw does not come out just right. The "CUP" also probably depends on the size of the package and I could or could not mean a derringer.
Pturner
12-29-2010, 10:14 AM
Nighthawk......always trying to impress the women, eh? :a20:
Bill
Another good one! Everbody's a comedian. :laugh:
duffysmom
12-29-2010, 11:08 AM
Try thunderware. I love mine.
http://www.thunderwear.com/
Yoda
May West would be very disappointed to find out that you weren't happy to see her.
Taltarzac
12-29-2010, 02:21 PM
May West would be very disappointed to find out that you weren't happy to see her.
Thinking of another well known movie reference-- Thunderwear could be the name of the jeans worn by the various cowboys in Blazing Saddles from the campfire scene.
Bill-n-Brillo
12-29-2010, 02:36 PM
Thinking of another well known movie reference-- Thunderwear could be the name of the jeans worn by the various cowboys in Blazing Saddles from the campfire scene.
"How 'bout some more beans, Mr. Taggart?"
A classic! :)
Bill
skyguy79
12-29-2010, 03:33 PM
Thunderwear could be the name of the jeans worn by the various cowboys in Blazing Saddles from the campfire scene.I'm not sure that statement could pass the smell test. :faint:
Bill-n-Brillo
12-29-2010, 03:34 PM
I'm not sure that statement could pass the smell test. :faint:
WHOA!!!! :)
And can I get a "Boy howdy!"??? :1rotfl:
Bill
gongoozler
12-29-2010, 04:40 PM
Apparently not.
Check the crime statistics for communities with over 50,000 (I'd even bet we are at the top for communities with over 10,000). . . this is the safest of places . . . heck, even in heaven they had a devil and had to throw him out, so no place is perfect!
Rob Stevens
12-29-2010, 10:52 PM
figuratively it would a state of unlawfulness,
but literally we have heard there are few in the southwest where college students and others pack more than lunches
aren't there shootings in which the owner's firearm is used against him/her?
let's keep TV safe and sane.
Bicycles must be a great way to relieve the stress of traffic.
We have never heard of a bicyclist pulling a gun or exercising violent road rage.
L and L
No not more cyclists, please. While they may or may not exhibit road rage they are the cause of it quite often.
Bill-n-Brillo
12-30-2010, 08:42 AM
No not more cyclists, please. While they may or may not exhibit road rage they are the cause of it quite often.
Better put on your full-body armor suit, Rob. I'll sure they'll be some, shall we say, "constructive feedback" coming your way....... :1rotfl:
Bill
graciegirl
12-30-2010, 09:21 AM
I am hiding under the couch.
Bill-n-Brillo
12-30-2010, 09:29 AM
I am hiding under the couch. At least you'll not have a problem being under there if you're chewing gum..... :)
Bill
Pturner
12-30-2010, 10:59 PM
WHOA!!!! :)
And can I get a "Boy howdy!"??? :1rotfl:
Bill
:wave:
Bill-n-Brillo
12-31-2010, 10:21 AM
:wave:
:wave:
Bill
graciegirl
12-31-2010, 10:30 AM
;)I'm not sure that statement could pass the smell test. :faint:
Wow Skyguy!
I see you have an avatar picture now.
I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.:D
Quite handsome and young looking.
You old enough to live here? ;)
skyguy79
12-31-2010, 11:07 AM
;)
Wow Skyguy!
I see you have an avatar picture now.
I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.:D
Quite handsome and young looking.
You old enough to live here? ;)Why do you ask? Is 34 years of age too young to be in TV? Seriously, that's our son in the middle, not me. I'm the big ol' f*** on the right and I think that's my wife on the left. I'll have to check with her though to verify that. The picture itself was taken about 12 years ago shortly before our son graduated from the Crane School of Music at the State University of NY at Potsdam, and I think that I'm about about 6 or 7 years older now. Anyway, thanks for indicating that my son is handsome and for refraining about the chopped liver on the right of the picture! :loco:
Bill-n-Brillo
12-31-2010, 11:19 AM
;)
Wow Skyguy!
I see you have an avatar picture now.
I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.:D
Quite handsome and young looking.
You old enough to live here? ;)
Gracie, you smooth talker you............ :)
Bill
Vinny
12-31-2010, 11:21 PM
Do you suppose the guy who pulled the gun on Canal Street was licensed to carry??
Normally ccw permit holders go out of their way to avoid confrontations to avoid any possibility of letting your anger impair your judgment. Brandishing your weapon is an automatic 3 year prison sentence with no parole. Statistically only a very small percentage of ccw permit holders are ever arrested.
Vinny
12-31-2010, 11:50 PM
I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.
Would you be willing to post a sign on your front lawn stating that your home is gun free? Sad to say that if you did it would be like putting a target on your back. Best to keep them guessing. Most victims think that they are safe right up to the point they are not. How often fo we hear people state that they are shocked that violence occurred where they live on the news We all have a choice of being either a helpless victim or one that fights back. Take your pick. Personally I rather run with the sheepdogs than the sheep. :D
As Redwitch and others said, carrying a gun is a grave responsibility. Making the wrong decision can negatively affect your life. It is not fun to carry a gun nor foes it make you feel like superman. It is uncomfortable and bothersome. We carry because no matter how small the risk, it is not zero and we have the means to mitigate that risk even further. The last thing anyone of us wants to do is use their gun. Even if justified, it is a life altering event and not in a good way. Criminals do not legally obtain their guns so passing even more laws will not affect them. In fact, it will help them.
Redwitch - I agree with you. I know people who cannot even pronounce the name of their gun much less train to use them.
Tbugs
01-01-2011, 12:52 AM
How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?
How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?
How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.
Give me a freakin' break.
How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?
How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?
How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.
Give me a freakin' break.
You forgot
"Gun Control is hitting your Target"
graciegirl
01-01-2011, 08:31 AM
I am not against guns.
If you want to have one go ahead. The Constitution says you can and I love that document.
I am just saying that the people I grew up with, know well, don't carry them.
My dad and brother were hunters and my grandfather who raised me was a police officer for 37 years. (My grandparents raised me because my mother died as a result of my birth)
You say I don't know and I say I do know if people I am close friends with carry a gun, a few own one. This country is divided into different areas and they have more or less population and different kinds of lifestyles. I grew up in German Village of Columbus, Ohio very close to farming area. I now live in a suburb of Cincinnati.
I think that most people who live in the area where I grew up visit the heavily populated areas of the United States where things are different and more people carry guns. I think that a lot of people in those heavily populated areas rarely visit areas of suburban Ohio.
So, dang it, I DO know the people who are my close friends and know if they carry a gun.
Happy New Year. Please don't shoot me. And I don't care if people know we don't have a gun. I am a decoratey type girl, so it would ruin my front yard, that sign.
downeaster
01-01-2011, 09:56 PM
I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.
I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?
Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.
I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.
Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".
I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.
I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?
Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.
I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.
Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".
Remember if faced with a situation where you percieve someone is going to harm you the police are only minutes away.
Then you will pray that an armed citizen might be there within seconds to help you
How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?
How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?
How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.
Give me a freakin' break.
Just as a point of interest, in both England and Australia, when guns were restricted and banned, gun assaults and home invasions increased dramatically.
Yoda
I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.
I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?
Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.
I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.
Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".
1. One person used the word vigilante. Out of context and incorrectly.
2. To shoot to kill could be murder. One should shoot to immediately stop the villain from doing what he is doing. If he should die is up to his God, never the intent of the shooter.
3. The police are not obligated to protect you. The Supreme Court has so ruled.
Yoda
GeorgeT
01-02-2011, 08:16 AM
1. One person used the word vigilante. Out of context and incorrectly.
2. To shoot to kill could be murder. One should shoot to immediately stop the villain from doing what he is doing. If he should die is up to his God, never the intent of the shooter.
3. The police are not obligated to protect you. The Supreme Court has so ruled.
Yoda
Yoda,
You are absolutely correct in saying one should shoot to stop the assailant.
If you shoot someone some people say it's better to kill rather then risk a law suit from the wounded criminal. No matter what the outcome it's going to set you back $50-$75 thousand dollars in legal fees.
Just as another poster said...Aim for center mass, I would also double tap. If you aim for the heart or head you'll probably miss. Remember that emotions will be running rampant while you are trying to aim for the head. It's a lot different shooting a target then it is to slam a bullet into someones flesh. It's a life changing event. No turning back.
The law is not black and white.
redwitch
01-02-2011, 09:06 AM
I was taught to aim to kill (chest, shoot at least twice). Period. If I feel the need to use my gun, I better have a dang good reason. I was told that any "amateur" who carries should be prepared to kill another human being. Wounding sounds good but may just end up getting you killed instead. So, if you're going to use it, use it for the purpose it was made -- to kill another human being. (Sickening thought, isn't it? Something created to simply kill another person.)
I carry for one reason only -- because I had someone try to kill me and he's made it abundantly clear that he is still obsessed with me. I am not going to use my gun to protect my neighbor's property or even my own property. I am going to use it if I perceive my daughter, my grandson, my neighbor or me in true GRAVE physical danger and, if that happens, I'm not going to worry about just hurting that person -- I'm going to do my best to bring that person down. This is not being a vigilante. A vigilante goes after someone after the crime has been committed, not during and most certainly not to protect another.
Believe it or not, I am actually anti-handguns. I was given no choice. I had a judge (of a serious liberal bent), a DA and 3 police officers all tell me to start carrying and to be prepared to use it because my stalker was never going to stop until one of us was stopped permanently. The second this saga has ended, I turn my handgun in and I'll be happy to never handle a weapon again.
I honestly don't understand those who carry for no reason other than a strange sense of security and that it might be useful in certain incidents. I don't feel the least secure in having a handgun. I worry about my purse being stolen with it in it. I worry that someone may grab it. I even worry that it might discharge accidently, even though that possibility is very remote. If I only had to protect myself in my home, I would much rather use a shotgun -- really hard to miss with it.
downeaster
01-02-2011, 09:56 AM
Just as a point of interest, in both England and Australia, when guns were restricted and banned, gun assaults and home invasions increased dramatically.
Yoda
Ownership is banned. They can not even have them in their homes.
I have no problem having a gun in one's home. I have one in mine.
Bogie Shooter
01-02-2011, 10:16 AM
I was taught to aim to kill (chest, shoot at least twice). Period. If I feel the need to use my gun, I better have a dang good reason. I was told that any "amateur" who carries should be prepared to kill another human being. Wounding sounds good but may just end up getting you killed instead. So, if you're going to use it, use it for the purpose it was made -- to kill another human being. (Sickening thought, isn't it? Something created to simply kill another person.)
I carry for one reason only -- because I had someone try to kill me and he's made it abundantly clear that he is still obsessed with me. I am not going to use my gun to protect my neighbor's property or even my own property. I am going to use it if I perceive my daughter, my grandson, my neighbor or me in true GRAVE physical danger and, if that happens, I'm not going to worry about just hurting that person -- I'm going to do my best to bring that person down. This is not being a vigilante. A vigilante goes after someone after the crime has been committed, not during and most certainly not to protect another.
Believe it or not, I am actually anti-handguns. I was given no choice. I had a judge (of a serious liberal bent), a DA and 3 police officers all tell me to start carrying and to be prepared to use it because my stalker was never going to stop until one of us was stopped permanently. The second this saga has ended, I turn my handgun in and I'll be happy to never handle a weapon again.
I honestly don't understand those who carry for no reason other than a strange sense of security and that it might be useful in certain incidents. I don't feel the least secure in having a handgun. I worry about my purse being stolen with it in it. I worry that someone may grab it. I even worry that it might discharge accidently, even though that possibility is very remote. If I only had to protect myself in my home, I would much rather use a shotgun -- really hard to miss with it.
Your explanation clarifies why you carry...and is much different than others who post on here advocate carrying a gun. Your last paragaraph sums up your feelings regarding them.
I was taught to aim to kill (chest, shoot at least twice). Period. If I feel the need to use my gun, I better have a dang good reason. I was told that any "amateur" who carries should be prepared to kill another human being. Wounding sounds good but may just end up getting you killed instead. So, if you're going to use it, use it for the purpose it was made -- to kill another human being. (Sickening thought, isn't it? Something created to simply kill another person.)
I carry for one reason only -- because I had someone try to kill me and he's made it abundantly clear that he is still obsessed with me. I am not going to use my gun to protect my neighbor's property or even my own property. I am going to use it if I perceive my daughter, my grandson, my neighbor or me in true GRAVE physical danger and, if that happens, I'm not going to worry about just hurting that person -- I'm going to do my best to bring that person down. This is not being a vigilante. A vigilante goes after someone after the crime has been committed, not during and most certainly not to protect another.
Believe it or not, I am actually anti-handguns. I was given no choice. I had a judge (of a serious liberal bent), a DA and 3 police officers all tell me to start carrying and to be prepared to use it because my stalker was never going to stop until one of us was stopped permanently. The second this saga has ended, I turn my handgun in and I'll be happy to never handle a weapon again.
I honestly don't understand those who carry for no reason other than a strange sense of security and that it might be useful in certain incidents. I don't feel the least secure in having a handgun. I worry about my purse being stolen with it in it. I worry that someone may grab it. I even worry that it might discharge accidently, even though that possibility is very remote. If I only had to protect myself in my home, I would much rather use a shotgun -- really hard to miss with it.
Red:
So you have the right to protect yourself but don't agree others can. That is the definition of hypocrisy.
golf2140
01-02-2011, 05:09 PM
I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by six!!!!:crap2:
redwitch
01-02-2011, 05:31 PM
Mel, I totally disagree with you on this one. I don't think I'm being the least bit hypocritical. I think anyone in a situation where they know (not think, KNOW) their life is threatened should have the right to a concealed weapon. It has been proven that restaining orders don't work. I also think someone who carries large amount of valuables should be able to have a concealed weapon for protection purposes. Police officers who have taken several gun classes and can truly shoot (I've seen some that are lucky to hit the side of a barn) should be able to carry. But for the "just in casers," sorry, I don't think they need a concealed weapon. Have a gun in your home for protection if you must, but carry it on the street. No, sorry.
Mel, I totally disagree with you on this one. I don't think I'm being the least bit hypocritical. I think anyone in a situation where they know (not think, KNOW) their life is threatened should have the right to a concealed weapon. It has been pr oven that re staining orders don't work. I also think someone who carries large amount of valuables should be able to have a concealed weapon for protection purposes. Police officers who have taken several gun classes and can truly shoot (I've seen some that are lucky to hit the side of a barn) should be able to carry. But for the "just in causers," sorry, I don't think they need a concealed weapon. Have a gun in your home for protection if you must, but carry it on the street. No, sorry.
Of course you disagree, applying a right selectively would be the height of discrimination, and you would never do that. And you even want to disarm the police, wow.
BobKat1
01-02-2011, 06:19 PM
This is one of those discussions that will probably go on forever.
I've yet to see someone on either side of this debate say, "ah yes I see and now I agree with you and have now changed my thinking on the matter".
Bill-n-Brillo
01-02-2011, 06:34 PM
:popcorn:
Bill :)
redwitch
01-02-2011, 06:48 PM
Um, where did I say anything about disarmimg the police? If they're on duty, I think it would be insane for them not to have weapons, especially in this day and age. I just want them better trained if they're going to carry and it really would be nice if they could hit what they're aiming at. What I really don't want them is to have them carrying off duty if they're going to be drinking. But, then, I don't want them driving and drinking, either. Do you?
And if my viewpoint that I don't see the need for a concealed weapons license to be handed out to every one who "qualifies" is hypocritical, so be it. As I said, if there is a true, proven need, then I understand why someone would carry. I still don't understand why someone would want a gun in their home, in their car or on their body if they didn't have to.
Pturner
01-02-2011, 07:23 PM
This is one of those discussions that will probably go on forever.
I've yet to see someone on either side of this debate say, "ah yes I see and now I agree with you and have now changed my thinking on the matter".
Hi BobKat,
Has reading this thread changed your thinking on the matter?
BobKat1
01-02-2011, 08:07 PM
Hi BobKat,
Has reading this thread changed your thinking on the matter?
Hi Pturner. No my thinking on the matter hasn't changed.:)
Tbugs
01-02-2011, 08:25 PM
Maybe just to end this long, long thread - we can all agree that the Villager who opened his jacket to show a pistol he was carrying will definitely regret the incident. It will cost him several thousand dollars in lawyer fees and fines.
Maybe he felt he had a valid reason to be carrying a pistol in The Villages but I am sure he now realizes what a big mistake he made that day.
I believe (not sure though) that it is illegal to carry a firearm into a bar or place that serves alcohol. I am sure the police gave a breathalyzer test to the man to make sure he had not been drinking (and carrying a weapon).
Even though there are obviously many Villagers who carry a pistol, I know that if any of them show a weapon in a public place, there are many fingers going to be hitting 911 on the cell phone.
Is it going to worth several thousand dollars to carry that pistol when just catching the sight of it in public will result in a call to the police?
I was taught to aim to kill (chest, shoot at least twice). Period. If I feel the need to use my gun, I better have a dang good reason. I was told that any "amateur" who carries should be prepared to kill another human being. Wounding sounds good but may just end up getting you killed instead. So, if you're going to use it, use it for the purpose it was made -- to kill another human being. (Sickening thought, isn't it? Something created to simply kill another person.)
.
Same motivation, different intent. Semantics.
Yoda
Mel, I totally disagree with you on this one. I don't think I'm being the least bit hypocritical. I think anyone in a situation where they know (not think, KNOW) their life is threatened should have the right to a concealed weapon. It has been proven that restaining orders don't work. I also think someone who carries large amount of valuables should be able to have a concealed weapon for protection purposes. Police officers who have taken several gun classes and can truly shoot (I've seen some that are lucky to hit the side of a barn) should be able to carry. But for the "just in casers," sorry, I don't think they need a concealed weapon. Have a gun in your home for protection if you must, but carry it on the street. No, sorry.
So Red, let's see if I have this right. I have the right to self protection as long as I stay home. You and those of whom you approve may walk among the living and protect themselves?
Bull....
Yoda
Tbugs
01-03-2011, 03:24 PM
Yoda,
Do you honestly feel threatened when you walk around the streets and town squares in The Villages to the extent of having to carry a pistol? :a20:
The Villages has to be one of the most peaceable places in the USA.
However, when I was at the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Lake Sumter Landing, I did see one man poke another man with his cane in order to get his attention to ask him to not stand in front of his chair (blocking the view). Would that have been enough for the "pokee" to show a pistol if he had one? No way! Would you have shown your pistol in that case? I hope not!! I just hope your personal liability insurance has a million dollar limit on it. You certainly would get your butt sued off (and you would lose) if anyone catches a glimpse of your pistol in public. It would be your word versus their word if you showed the pistol in an aggressive way - and your posts would be damaging to your case.
There is NO reason for anyone to carry a pistol in The Villages.
r_foye
01-03-2011, 04:50 PM
There is NO reason for anyone to carry a pistol in The Villages.
If you really truly think that there arent evil people living in The Villages then you are truly clueless. In a population of 80,000 people you can be absolutely certain there is a killer or two, some rapists, wife beaters, drug dealers, child abusers, etc, etc ,etc. As retired law enforcement I saw almost everything and I pointed my weapon at many bad people. To make a blanket statement that there is NO reason to carry a pistol in TV is just dumb. Now these days I do not carry a gun anymore. It's just not practical to wear shorts and a tee shirt when you are packing heat. But if Yoda and Redwitch feel the need, so be it. I don't stand either way on whether guns should be outlawed or not, if you carry be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions, that's all.
dominick
01-03-2011, 05:03 PM
Florida law prohibits carrying concealed weapons at establishments serving alcohol. I wonder if those carrying at TV squares during the nightly entertainment performances are in violation??? Probably so. I sure wouldn't want to be a test case.
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