Carnivore friendly restaurant

[SteveCanada]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

[2newyorkers]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Try Glenview on Monday nights for all you can eat steak and shrimp. Make reservations.

[ohioshooter]

Is there a Villages carnivore group? Thinking of starting the diet after the first.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore
Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Just remember that you are not moving here for the restaurant offerings, in any way shape or form. Just to set your expectations to the correct level.

and if you are going to be here for three months, you will get through most if not all of the better locations in the first month.

good luck!

[Eg_cruz]

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Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all
Almost every restaurant has some kind of meat, just like everywhere in the US

[Papa_lecki]

Almost every restaurant has some kind of meat, just like everywhere in the US

Vegetarian only restaurants would be tough to find, but meat - easy
Just tell the server to hold the sides.

[MrChip72]

Artman's Smokehouse just outside the Villages in the North end. Their meat platter has very generous portions of a variety of different meats of your choosing.

In the south end, Willie Jewels has great smokehouse meat options as well.

[ColtsFan]

Try Oakwood Smokehouse and Grill----the one on South 441 Lady Lake, FL. It is real close to The Villages. Great BBQ, hamburgers, chicken, etc.

[jacqueline larsen]

The above plus Golden Corral on 466
(A step above most of them), Cracker Barrell Sunday fried chicken every day now. Oakwood express in Wildwood.

[KjLjGooding]

Is there a Villages carnivore group? Thinking of starting the diet after the first.

Trying to get a group started in The Villages. On the Nextdoor app we’ve started a group and hope to have more members and their input. When we see enough interest we can get together for MEAT UPS! In the meantime we can share our experiences! We’ve been carnivore for over 3 months and have seen many good changes in our health. Check out the group “The Villages Carnivore Meat Up”. We look forward to meeting you.

[MorTech]

I have been low carb/high protein/saturated fat for 25 years and still at my college weight...Now I no longer eat any plants sans coffee and macadamia nuts. Plants will kill you, man.

Just avoid any unsaturated fat plant oils cuz they are worse for you than carbohydrates. Almost all restaurants use plant oil (canola/soy/vegetable/peanut) for cooking.

[KjLjGooding]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all
We eat carnivore as well. It’s difficult to find Restaurants that cater to carnivore. Yes they have steaks and meat but the question is “what are they cooked in”? Therefore most of the time we eat at home. Check out our group that is just starting on the Nextdoor app The Villages Carnivore Meat Up. Hopefully we can all get together and share the changes in our lives and health, or get together for cookouts to cook those rib eyes and socialize.

[Nell57]

If you’re coming from a state that has corn fed cows and great beef, you’ll need to lower your expectations. Florida cows graze on sandy soil grass. They don’t have the heft of northern cows, they are scrawny.
And that’s everywhere you eat in Florida, not just The Villages.
You’ll note that a lot of the comment so far are recommending rib joints.
I’ve been here 14 years. I don’t bother ordering steaks, I just wait until I’m up north.
Here’s my Dads advice. When you go in a new restaurant, order the special. That’s what they do best. Or ask the waiter for a recommendation.
You will find some restaurants you like.

[Nana2Teddy]

Trying to get a group started in The Villages. On the Nextdoor app we’ve started a group and hope to have more members and their input. When we see enough interest we can get together for MEAT UPS! In the meantime we can share our experiences! We’ve been carnivore for over 3 months and have seen many good changes in our health. Check out the group “The Villages Carnivore Meat Up”. We look forward to meeting you.
Is this only on NextDoor? I’m on Facebook, but not ND. Hoping for a FB group.

[Babubhat]

Orlando Dr Phillips area an hour away. Multiple premium steakhouses on Sand Lake road. Eddie V, capital grille, Ruth Chris, etc.

Berns is supreme in Tampa.

Premium Steaks in Tampa | Largest Wine Collection | Bern's Steak House (https://bernssteakhouse.com/)

[Ele201]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

I didn’t know the “carnivore diet” was a thing, so I googled it and it is indeed! I am familiar with the Atkins diet, which has an emphasis on meat. Thing to watch out for is high saturated fat and cholesterol, but everyone knows that. Diet also includes chicken, so that can round out the red meat.

I personally enjoy meat. Anyway, there are some very good recommendations on where to eat here. Enjoy your stay!

[Berwin]

Can second the motion for Artman's on 42. The best restaurant in the area is supposed to be Mark's Prime Steakhouse in Ocala but I haven't tried it yet.

[damvillages]

Try Ipanema Brazilian steakhouse in Ocala. Will not disappoint.

[BobGraves]

I've been doing carnivore for about 3 weeks. I've lost 10 lbs and feel great. We're up north for the holidays but I too was hoping for a Carnivore group in The Villages. We're part timers so it would be tough to start one but I'm willing to help out when we're there.

[BobGraves]

Trying to get a group started in The Villages. On the Nextdoor app we’ve started a group and hope to have more members and their input. When we see enough interest we can get together for MEAT UPS! In the meantime we can share our experiences! We’ve been carnivore for over 3 months and have seen many good changes in our health. Check out the group “The Villages Carnivore Meat Up”. We look forward to meeting you.
I couldn't find the group on nextdoor. I tried spelling Meat both ways (meet)? Idk if it's possible to share a link or any other info that would help.

[defrey12]

Artman's Smokehouse just outside the Villages in the North end. Their meat platter has very generous portions of a variety of different meats of your choosing.

In the south end, Willie Jewels has great smokehouse meat options as well.

Skip Willie’s…BAD chain bbq

[margaretmattson]

Try Ipanema Brazilian steakhouse in Ocala. Will not disappoint.So good! And fun! Plenty of meat varieties for you to try.

[MandoMan]

Orlando Dr Phillips area an hour away. Multiple premium steakhouses on Sand Lake road. Eddie V, capital grille, Ruth Chris, etc.

Berns is supreme in Tampa.

Premium Steaks in Tampa | Largest Wine Collection | Bern's Steak House (https://bernssteakhouse.com/)

True, but it’s very expensive and very difficult to get a reservation. As I recall, you have to do it at midnight two months in advance. When I ate there, the meal was extraordinary, but it was also $750 for two. (Granted, the four teaspoons of caviar was almost $200 of that.)

[ohioshooter]

Trying to get a group started in The Villages. On the Nextdoor app we’ve started a group and hope to have more members and their input. When we see enough interest we can get together for MEAT UPS! In the meantime we can share our experiences! We’ve been carnivore for over 3 months and have seen many good changes in our health. Check out the group “The Villages Carnivore Meat Up”. We look forward to meeting you.

Thanks for the reply, but I don’t do ND or FB. I guess I’ll just keep watching posts. Looking forward to more videos from Rusty.

[MandoMan]

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Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Is that a thing? You only eat meat? No cheese? No vegetables? I know it will make your HDL cholesterol go up, but doesn’t it put your kidneys at risk? Isn’t it boring? No more cookies or sandwiches?

Or do you mean you eat carnivores? There are places serving alligator, but usually it is breaded, then fried in vegetable oil, so that wouldn’t be on your diet.

[midiwiz]

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Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Yes for thouse doing the highly acidic diet (LOL) there is a brazilian steak house in Ocala called Impanema. Around here... well... like one post said don't expect much for food..... it's eh at best "in the bubble" (and before y'all go nuts telling me I'm wrong, just stop. I've got a restaurant background and my taste buds aren't old either)

[midiwiz]

Is that a thing? You only eat meat? No cheese? No vegetables? I know it will make your HDL cholesterol go up, but doesn’t it put your kidneys at risk? Isn’t it boring? No more cookies or sandwiches?

Or do you mean you eat carnivores? There are places serving alligator, but usually it is breaded, then fried in vegetable oil, so that wouldn’t be on your diet.

yes it's a version of Keto, it's meats aka proteins only it doesn't make the HDL go up at all, actually it eats it away. However it's highly acidic and if not balanced out (depending on blood type and physical nature since every person is different) it can take your blood Ph from Alkaline to Acidic which then stops the natural workings of the body and could cause some seriously bad things to happen. Teeth come to mind as saliva is alkaline, and turning it acidic means you are going to have a lot of dental visits and more

[The Chipster]

For all of you carnivores, here are some fancy restaurant specials to try:

* The All-You-Can-Eat Cardiac Arrest
* The EMT Bone-In Special
* Coronary Clogger Delight
* The Elevated Blood-Pressure Plate
* special desert: Statin Enhanced Ice Cream Pie

(sorry, this was all done in good humor (sort of). BTW, any idea why we evolved with flat teeth instead of canine teeth?

[MikeN]

Try Oak Wood. It’s outside the villages on rat 441/27 but well worth the price and visit. Barbecue is there specialty QUOTE=SteveCanada;2276285]Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all[/QUOTE]

[rayschic]

Try Ipanema Brazilian steakhouse in Ocala. Will not disappoint.

Another vote for Ipanema Brazilian steakhouse
Pay one price….Tons of meats….try them all !

[Heytubes]

Bern’s in Tampa, Mark’s Prime in Ocala and Flemmings in Orlando.

[mtlee024]

If you’re coming from a state that has corn fed cows and great beef, you’ll need to lower your expectations. Florida cows graze on sandy soil grass. They don’t have the heft of northern cows, they are scrawny.
And that’s everywhere you eat in Florida, not just The Villages.
You’ll note that a lot of the comment so far are recommending rib joints.
I’ve been here 14 years. I don’t bother ordering steaks, I just wait until I’m up north.
Here’s my Dads advice. When you go in a new restaurant, order the special. That’s what they do best. Or ask the waiter for a recommendation.
You will find some restaurants you like.

You don't have a clue about FL beef and how they are raised and feed. Go spend some time on a cattle ranch and find out how wrong you are.

[annhennessy]

Too Jays has Liver on the menu. Ask them to hold the mashed potatoes

[BostonRich]

We go to County Line Smokehouse on 25 in Weirsdale for BBQ. Not fancy but the best BBQ around. Everything is made from scratch in-house. They don't even have a fryer. Brisket and ribs are excellent. Pulled pork is also great.

[SusanStCatherine]

I want to try the Lion diet.

[jamesrcorbett]

Prime III in Leesburg

[scooterstang]

As long as they allow ketchup at the table(I'am in) still for the life of me can't see the difference between ketchup and 57 steak sauce(which is recommended). I was littery kicked out of one of the most famous steak houses(Murrays) in MN for asking for ketchup for their dried up silver butter knife special. Plus they made me wear one of their sportcoats that they provide(what a joke). I live in Panama City and have been to Rodeo's/Angelo's Steak pit and Triple JJJs. Any of those places would make you throw rocks at Murray's in Mpls MN. I also was served while wearing shorts and a muscle shirt,and they had no problem with me asking for Ketchup!

[KjLjGooding]

I couldn't find the group on nextdoor. I tried spelling Meat both ways (meet)? Idk if it's possible to share a link or any other info that would help.

Nextdoor (https://nextdoor.com/g/ucjj69xym)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

When I ate there, the meal was extraordinary, but it was also $750 for two. (Granted, the four teaspoons of caviar was almost $200 of that.)

:22yikes:

Note to self: set aside a small lottery win to eat at Berns in Tampa!

[Bwanajim]

For all of you carnivores, here are some fancy restaurant specials to try:

* The All-You-Can-Eat Cardiac Arrest
* The EMT Bone-In Special
* Coronary Clogger Delight
* The Elevated Blood-Pressure Plate
* special desert: Statin Enhanced Ice Cream Pie

(sorry, this was all done in good humor (sort of). BTW, any idea why we evolved with flat teeth instead of canine teeth?

Actually, we’re omnivores. And we do have canines.

[ShaSha]

Anyone interested in Berns, Fleming’s, Morton’s? Just contact me. Love steakhouses.
And Charlie’s. Berns Tampa.
Rest Orlando. Anytime happy to join a group..,

[frayedends]

For all of you carnivores, here are some fancy restaurant specials to try:

* The All-You-Can-Eat Cardiac Arrest
* The EMT Bone-In Special
* Coronary Clogger Delight
* The Elevated Blood-Pressure Plate
* special desert: Statin Enhanced Ice Cream Pie

(sorry, this was all done in good humor (sort of). BTW, any idea why we evolved with flat teeth instead of canine teeth?

I didn’t know the “carnivore diet” was a thing, so I googled it and it is indeed! I am familiar with the Atkins diet, which has an emphasis on meat. Thing to watch out for is high saturated fat and cholesterol, but everyone knows that. Diet also includes chicken, so that can round out the red meat.

I personally enjoy meat. Anyway, there are some very good recommendations on where to eat here. Enjoy your stay!

Post like these really just ignoring all the new research showing that carnivore/keto diets are the best diets for us. Now there is a lot of controversy on being all carnivore. It does NOT make your blood more acidic. That's crazy. But there can be mineral deficiencies and some other things people may concerned about. Cholesterol, heart disease, blood pressure, are not an issue on the Carnivore diet. Not at all.

Carnivore diet has some great benefits to people with auto-immune diseases. Otherwise most people do just fine on a keto diet.

What you all should know by now, the problems with our health and obesity started when the food pyramid started pushing sugars and carb loaded foods like breads and pastas.

FWIW, 2 years ago my doctor wanted to prescribe me (52 years old then) blood pressure meds, diabetes meds, and cholesterol meds. In 4 weeks on Keto and intermittent fasting I dropped over 15 lbs and all my blood tests came into normal range. Since then I'm down 30 lbs and my blood tests/blood pressure are awesome.

This is the same story for almost everyone on these diets. They are easy to maintain also, once the sugar/carb addiction is gone. But it is easy to fall back into carb eating if you start cheating a bit.

Now for the OP, any restaurant can be Carnivore if you just order and ask questions. Regarding seed oils, I don't worry too much if they cook a steak in seed oils. A meal here and there isn't going to cause too much inflammation.

Here are some tips for ordering...

Obviously a steak or burger with no bun, with bacon. Ask for a fried egg on top.
Order a chef salad without any veg, just the meat, bacon, cheese, egg or whatever. Makes a great side to a steak.
Same with a loaded baked potato. Ask for no potato, just cheese, sour cream, bacon. They usually put it in a small bowl and give a good amount.

Unless it's a vegetarian place you can usually pull off carnivore with some creative ordering and don't be afraid to ask for suggestions from the waitstaff. They are getting more familiar with people like us.

[Boomer]

I thought our OP was just looking for a good steakhouse and then I read the rest of the posts about the Carnivore Diet and the Lion Diet. I had never heard of either.

Did Scarsdale beget Atkins beget South Beach beget Paleo beget Keto beget Carnivore beget Lion? ………. At some point, I guess very high protein diets might eventually all turn into The Halitosis & Kill for an Orange Diet.

Not judging. Just wondering. So? Just hunters? No gatherers needed?

I have also learned that I better stop asking people I invite to dinner if they are carnivores before I plan the menu because now if they say yes, that could mean nothing but meat.

I understand being careful about carbs (some) and sugar, but total meat, I could not do. Sometimes I learn new stuff on TOTV and this is one of those times.

Boomer






,

[frayedends]

^^^^^

The take home message from all of them, carnivore, keto, atkins, south beach, is that carbs are much worse for us, especially processed foods.

Pizza, pasta, fast food, sugar etc all lead to metabolic disease (insulin resistance) and that leads to weight issues, diabetes, heart disease.

The reason keto/carnivore succeeds is it removes the carb cravings and is incredibly satiating. I eat one meal a day. I'm not hungry, ever. If I continue eating carbs I have cravings for food all day long. Anyhow, just for some background on why this stuff is so popular now.

[MorTech]

Humans naturally metabolize saturated fat and protein...Unsaturated fats and carbohydrates are literally poison and cholesterol is vital for human health. Ya, man! We have been lied to about diet for more than 40 years as pointed out by Drs Atkins and Eades.

Meat is food - Plants are drugs, medicine and pesticides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIRurLnQ8oo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM

Plant oils cause insulin resistance at the cellular level. Mitochondria health is vital for ATP.

[MorTech]

I want to try the Lion diet.

Eat just beef and shrimp for 30 days (and water)...Your pants won't fit anymore and your mind will be clearer and those nagging carbohydrate cravings will go away . You can drink black coffee if you must :)

[MorTech]

Orlando Dr Phillips area an hour away. Multiple premium steakhouses on Sand Lake road. Eddie V, capital grille, Ruth Chris, etc.

Berns is supreme in Tampa.

Premium Steaks in Tampa | Largest Wine Collection | Bern's Steak House (https://bernssteakhouse.com/)

Nice! Thanks. Someone else recommended Bern's to me.

[ThirdOfFive]

Post like these really just ignoring all the new research showing that carnivore/keto diets are the best diets for us. Now there is a lot of controversy on being all carnivore. It does NOT make your blood more acidic. That's crazy. But there can be mineral deficiencies and some other things people may concerned about. Cholesterol, heart disease, blood pressure, are not an issue on the Carnivore diet. Not at all.

Carnivore diet has some great benefits to people with auto-immune diseases. Otherwise most people do just fine on a keto diet.

What you all should know by now, the problems with our health and obesity started when the food pyramid started pushing sugars and carb loaded foods like breads and pastas.

FWIW, 2 years ago my doctor wanted to prescribe me (52 years old then) blood pressure meds, diabetes meds, and cholesterol meds. In 4 weeks on Keto and intermittent fasting I dropped over 15 lbs and all my blood tests came into normal range. Since then I'm down 30 lbs and my blood tests/blood pressure are awesome.

This is the same story for almost everyone on these diets. They are easy to maintain also, once the sugar/carb addiction is gone. But it is easy to fall back into carb eating if you start cheating a bit.

Now for the OP, any restaurant can be Carnivore if you just order and ask questions. Regarding seed oils, I don't worry too much if they cook a steak in seed oils. A meal here and there isn't going to cause too much inflammation.

Here are some tips for ordering...

Obviously a steak or burger with no bun, with bacon. Ask for a fried egg on top.
Order a chef salad without any veg, just the meat, bacon, cheese, egg or whatever. Makes a great side to a steak.
Same with a loaded baked potato. Ask for no potato, just cheese, sour cream, bacon. They usually put it in a small bowl and give a good amount.

Unless it's a vegetarian place you can usually pull off carnivore with some creative ordering and don't be afraid to ask for suggestions from the waitstaff. They are getting more familiar with people like us.
If God didn't want people to eat animals, he wouldn't have made 'em out of MEAT!

[frayedends]

If God didn't want people to eat animals, he wouldn't have made 'em out of MEAT!

Absolutely! There's a reason vegans keep trying to make their food taste like meat.

[Cliff Fr]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Ipanema brazilian restaurant in Ocala. 14 different cuts and kinds of meat brought to your table for you to try or turn down.

[kkingston57]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Whispering Oaks winery on Friday and Saturday nights. For a real special night, drive 80 miles to Berns Steak House in Tampa. Need reservations for Berns months in advance. On Monday nights World of Beer has a hamburger special for $5. Some country clubs have a hamburger BOGO(Glenview on Wednesday nights)

[Cliff Fr]

I didn’t know the “carnivore diet” was a thing, so I googled it and it is indeed! I am familiar with the Atkins diet, which has an emphasis on meat. Thing to watch out for is high saturated fat and cholesterol, but everyone knows that. Diet also includes chicken, so that can round out the red meat.

I personally enjoy meat. Anyway, there are some very good recommendations on where to eat here. Enjoy your stay!

Wouldn't gout be a problem?

[BobGraves]

Nextdoor (https://nextdoor.com/g/ucjj69xym)

thank you. I sent the request to join.

[ithos]

Just about any diet can cherry pick bio markers that may improve after starting it. But that is not a valid scientific method to determine its true impact on health. Neither are anecdotal claims.

Several have mentioned that plants are bad for humans. This is the probably the most ridiculous idea ever posted on TOV. And anyone who believes that is placing their prejudices above overwhelming rational and science based evidence. Our bodies need fiber and animal protein has none. Only plants have it. And most of the vitamins and minerals you receive from eating meat is because the animals get them from eating plants or from being exposed to water and soil like our ancestors were when they gathered food in the wild. There only a few possible medical reasons to avoid some plants such as the rare case of epilepsy.
Diet and nutrition | Epilepsy Society (https://epilepsysociety.org.uk/living-epilepsy/wellbeing-and-epilepsy/diet-and-nutrition)

There is a site, pubmed.gov, which posts most of the medical literature and studies from established and credentialed organizations. Any medical or diet recommendations should should be accompanied with multiple citations from this site or other renowned medical organizations. One advantage of meatless diets not often discussed is the it takes 20 times more water to produce a calorie of protein from meat than it does a plant. Calculating water footprints of animal, plant proteins (https://phys.org/news/2011-01-footprints-animal-proteins.html)

And what about heart disease? There is only one program for heart disease reversal that is reimbursed by Medicare. Ornish Lifestyle Medicine (https://www.ornish.com/) The key part of it is a plant based diet. Also the Cleveland Clinic which is considered the #1 hospital for heart disease also has a program to reverse the disease for those who are not candidates for surgery. The Esselstyn Heart Disease Program | Cleveland Clinic (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/departments/wellness/integrative/esselstyn-program) Both programs have many years of data to validate them. Is there a carnivore program for reversing heart disease that has decades of data to validate it? Please share.

And if you have Type 2 diabetes? A balanced whole food, plant based diet in most cases reverses that. A plant-based diet for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20general%20consensus,and% 20treating%20type%202%20diabetes). The Best Diet for Preventing and Managing Diabetes (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-best-diet-for-diabetes/)

Kidney disease too.
Conclusions: Higher adherence to healthy plant-based diets and a vegetarian diet was associated with favorable kidney disease outcomes.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31023928/


The bottom line is that our ancestors primarily ate plants because that was available which is why we don't have the type of teeth and intestines to eat raw meat.

If you want to return to your ancestral diet, the one our ancestors ate when most of the features of our guts were evolving, you might reasonably eat what our ancestors spent the most time eating during the largest periods of the evolution of our guts, fruits, nuts, and vegetables—especially fungus-covered tropical leaves.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

To be fair, there are credible studies out there that suggest that the Mediterranean or similar diets also have beneficial health benefits. But all of the blue zones receive most of their protein from plants.

[ohioshooter]

I hope we get a thread for Carnivore believers. Then maybe the negatives will stay away. This one was started by a person looking for a restaurant, and see where it went.

[ithos]

I hope we get a thread for Carnivore believers. Then maybe the negatives will stay away. This one was started by a person looking for a restaurant, and see where it went.

You nailed it. You are believers. Kind of like a religion because you don't have credible science to back it up.

I wasn't going to post anything until I read some of the messages which were outrageous.

Plants will kill you, man.
Unsaturated fats and carbohydrates are literally poison
Meat is food - Plants are drugs, medicine and pesticides

If people are going to post demonstrably false statements that can persuade others to follow their terrible advice, then don't be surprised to see messages that shine the light of truth on the topic using scientific and fact based evidence.

[justjim]

Orlando Dr Phillips area an hour away. Multiple premium steakhouses on Sand Lake road. Eddie V, capital grille, Ruth Chris, etc.

Berns is supreme in Tampa.

Premium Steaks in Tampa | Largest Wine Collection | Bern's Steak House (https://bernssteakhouse.com/)

Just read where Darden restaurant chain has bought Ruth Chris. Perhaps we will get one in The Villages.

[Crazyladycruz]

There’s a Brazilian Steak house in Ocala call Ipanema. Excellent!
We’ve gone a couple times. Nice atmosphere and great food!

[ohioshooter]

You nailed it. You are believers. Kind of like a religion because you don't have credible science to back it up.

I wasn't going to post anything until I read some of the messages which were outrageous.

Plants will kill you, man.
Unsaturated fats and carbohydrates are literally poison
Meat is food - Plants are drugs, medicine and pesticides

If people are going to post demonstrably false statements that can persuade others to follow their terrible advice, then don't be surprised to see messages that shine the light of truth on the topic using scientific and fact based evidence.

Have a nice day.

[PVR]

Great info on this site .. thanks to all who share !

Coming for three months to test lifestyle but we only eat carnivore

Any dinner places to try ?

Thanks all

Brazilian Steak House is excellent for carnivores

[FredMitchell]

Learn to cook sous vide. I favor the Sous Vide Supreme with ten years of trouble-free service. The "stick circulators" are cheaper, but have moving parts that can fail and they make some noise in use. Great steaks however you like them. The same for any meat, including cuts like chuck steak which requires a good 48-72 hour cook to be tender, yet still cooked rare to medium rare. The beauty of it is that you will always end up with your protein cooked to exactly what you wanted and it is not time sensitive, so you take out the meat and give it a 60-120 second sear when everything else in your meal is ready.

Google "sous vide" to learn more. If you go that route, it is hard to beat Jason Logsdon's "Modernist Cooking Sous Vide" for learning and guidance.

[FredMitchell]

Learn to cook sous vide. I favor the Sous Vide Supreme with ten years of trouble-free service. The "stick circulators" are cheaper, but have moving parts that can fail and they make some noise in use. Great steaks however you like them. The same for any meat, including cuts like chuck steak which requires a good 48-72 hour cook to be tender, yet still cooked rare to medium rare. The beauty of it is that you will always end up with your protein cooked to exactly what you wanted and it is not time sensitive, so you take out the meat and give it a 60-120 second sear when everything else in your meal is ready.

Google "sous vide" to learn more. If you go that route, it is hard to beat Jason Logsdon's "Modernist Cooking Sous Vide" for learning and guidance.

[ohioshooter]

Learn to cook sous vide. I favor the Sous Vide Supreme with ten years of trouble-free service. The "stick circulators" are cheaper, but have moving parts that can fail and they make some noise in use. Great steaks however you like them. The same for any meat, including cuts like chuck steak which requires a good 48-72 hour cook to be tender, yet still cooked rare to medium rare. The beauty of it is that you will always end up with your protein cooked to exactly what you wanted and it is not time sensitive, so you take out the meat and give it a 60-120 second sear when everything else in your meal is ready.

Google "sous vide" to learn more. If you go that route, it is hard to beat Jason Logsdon's "Modernist Cooking Sous Vide" for learning and guidance.

We’ve had one for a couple years, like it for some things. It does roasts well, but I prefer my steaks fried.

[MorTech]

You nailed it. You are believers. Kind of like a religion because you don't have credible science to back it up.

I wasn't going to post anything until I read some of the messages which were outrageous.

Plants will kill you, man.
Unsaturated fats and carbohydrates are literally poison
Meat is food - Plants are drugs, medicine and pesticides

If people are going to post demonstrably false statements that can persuade others to follow their terrible advice, then don't be surprised to see messages that shine the light of truth on the topic using scientific and fact based evidence.

Let me "demonstrate".... Diabetes. How's that?
More than half of all Americans are at least pre-diabetic...That ain't from ribeyes.
Insulin Resistance is a pervasive medical emergency that is curable by - not eating plants or plant oils, um, Demonstratable.

[Nell57]

Your correct. I’ve never been on a cattle ranch in Florida.
But compared to Midwest cattle our Florida cows are scrawny.
The first time we drove the kids through the state my son said, “Mom look at the big dogs.!”
For excellent beef people are recommending Ocala, Orlando and Miami. Point made.

[frayedends]

Just about any diet can cherry pick bio markers that may improve after starting it. But that is not a valid scientific method to determine its true impact on health. Neither are anecdotal claims.

Several have mentioned that plants are bad for humans. This is the probably the most ridiculous idea ever posted on TOV. And anyone who believes that is placing their prejudices above overwhelming rational and science based evidence. Our bodies need fiber and animal protein has none. Only plants have it. And most of the vitamins and minerals you receive from eating meat is because the animals get them from eating plants or from being exposed to water and soil like our ancestors were when they gathered food in the wild. There only a few possible medical reasons to avoid some plants such as the rare case of epilepsy.
Diet and nutrition | Epilepsy Society (https://epilepsysociety.org.uk/living-epilepsy/wellbeing-and-epilepsy/diet-and-nutrition)

There is a site, pubmed.gov, which posts most of the medical literature and studies from established and credentialed organizations. Any medical or diet recommendations should should be accompanied with multiple citations from this site or other renowned medical organizations. One advantage of meatless diets not often discussed is the it takes 20 times more water to produce a calorie of protein from meat than it does a plant. Calculating water footprints of animal, plant proteins (https://phys.org/news/2011-01-footprints-animal-proteins.html)

And what about heart disease? There is only one program for heart disease reversal that is reimbursed by Medicare. Ornish Lifestyle Medicine (https://www.ornish.com/) The key part of it is a plant based diet. Also the Cleveland Clinic which is considered the #1 hospital for heart disease also has a program to reverse the disease for those who are not candidates for surgery. The Esselstyn Heart Disease Program | Cleveland Clinic (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/departments/wellness/integrative/esselstyn-program) Both programs have many years of data to validate them. Is there a carnivore program for reversing heart disease that has decades of data to validate it? Please share.

And if you have Type 2 diabetes? A balanced whole food, plant based diet in most cases reverses that. A plant-based diet for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20general%20consensus,and% 20treating%20type%202%20diabetes). The Best Diet for Preventing and Managing Diabetes (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-best-diet-for-diabetes/)

Kidney disease too.
Conclusions: Higher adherence to healthy plant-based diets and a vegetarian diet was associated with favorable kidney disease outcomes.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31023928/


The bottom line is that our ancestors primarily ate plants because that was available which is why we don't have the type of teeth and intestines to eat raw meat.

If you want to return to your ancestral diet, the one our ancestors ate when most of the features of our guts were evolving, you might reasonably eat what our ancestors spent the most time eating during the largest periods of the evolution of our guts, fruits, nuts, and vegetables—especially fungus-covered tropical leaves.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

To be fair, there are credible studies out there that suggest that the Mediterranean or similar diets also have beneficial health benefits. But all of the blue zones receive most of their protein from plants.


Trying to read this with an open mind. Of course, these "studies' are run by the same folks in bed with the pharma industry.

In the end I think we can all agree that a carnivore diet can fix metabolic syndrome and a vege diet can also fix metabolic syndrome. We could argue over the nutritional benefits and risks forever. To be sure there are likely good arguments on both sides.

But again, we can all agree that obesity, diabetes, blood pressure, etc are all caused by high carb, high processed sugars and grains. There are going to be vegetarians that are obese and have Type 2 because they can eat pasta and sugar and rice and all the garbage that makes us sick. Carnivores don't have that issue.

Based on everything I've read I think a whole foods, very low carb, keto type diet is the way to go. As for the carnivore diet, I think it's a great elimination diet for people that may have sensitivity to certain plant based foods. If you have health issues, inflammation, auto-immune etc. go carnivore and see if it helps. Then you can introduce veges 1 at a time back into your diet. Stay low carb and you'll probably be fine.

[ithos]

Trying to read this with an open mind. Of course, these "studies' are run by the same folks in bed with the pharma industry.

In the end I think we can all agree that a carnivore diet can fix metabolic syndrome and a vege diet can also fix metabolic syndrome. We could argue over the nutritional benefits and risks forever. To be sure there are likely good arguments on both sides.

But again, we can all agree that obesity, diabetes, blood pressure, etc are all caused by high carb, high processed sugars and grains. There are going to be vegetarians that are obese and have Type 2 because they can eat pasta and sugar and rice and all the garbage that makes us sick. Carnivores don't have that issue.

Based on everything I've read I think a whole foods, very low carb, keto type diet is the way to go. As for the carnivore diet, I think it's a great elimination diet for people that may have sensitivity to certain plant based foods. If you have health issues, inflammation, auto-immune etc. go carnivore and see if it helps. Then you can introduce veges 1 at a time back into your diet. Stay low carb and you'll probably be fine.

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the WFPB crowd has ties to the pharmaceutical corporations. Most physicians who are certified in lifestyle medicine are successful in reducing or eliminating prescriptions for their patients through education.
Home - American College of Lifestyle Medicine (https://lifestylemedicine.org/)

With regard to diabetes we can agree that processed simple carbs should be avoided.

Diet composition has a marked impact on the risk of developing type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Prospective studies show that dietary patterns with elevated amount of animal products and low quantity of vegetable food items raise the risk of these diseases. In healthy subjects, animal protein intake intensifies insulin resistance whereas plant-based foods enhance insulin sensitivity.

ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2405457719303146#:~:text=In%20patients%20with%20d iabetes%2C%20animal,vegetarian%20diets%20enhance%2 0insulin%20sensitivity).

If animal protein was a big part of the answer to solving our worst illnesses such as diabetes and auto immune diseases and could be substantiated by peer reviewed studies on pubmed then the meat producers and egg industry with their deep pockets would be running commercials to promote it. They can't because there are none and they would be punished with massive fines. The best they can do is promote the Mediterranean diet which allows some fish and eggs but emphasizes whole food carbs.

Funny thing. I put in carnivore diet in pubmed and all that comes back are articles about dogs and cats.

[frayedends]

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the WFPB crowd has ties to the pharmaceutical corporations. Most physicians who are certified in lifestyle medicine are successful in reducing or eliminating prescriptions for their patients through education.
Home - American College of Lifestyle Medicine (https://lifestylemedicine.org/)

With regard to diabetes we can agree that processed simple carbs should be avoided.

Diet composition has a marked impact on the risk of developing type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Prospective studies show that dietary patterns with elevated amount of animal products and low quantity of vegetable food items raise the risk of these diseases. In healthy subjects, animal protein intake intensifies insulin resistance whereas plant-based foods enhance insulin sensitivity.

ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2405457719303146#:~:text=In%20patients%20with%20d iabetes%2C%20animal,vegetarian%20diets%20enhance%2 0insulin%20sensitivity).

If animal protein was a big part of the answer to solving our worst illnesses such as diabetes and auto immune diseases and could be substantiated by peer reviewed studies on pubmed then the meat producers and egg industry with their deep pockets would be running commercials to promote it. They can't because there are none and they would be punished with massive fines. The best they can do is promote the Mediterranean diet which allows some fish and eggs but emphasizes whole food carbs.

Funny thing. I put in carnivore diet in pubmed and all that comes back are articles about dogs and cats.

When I referred to studies in bed with the pharma industry I was referring not to the things you linked, but the medical literature that pushes the standard American diet that is high in carbs.

Regarding your assertion that there is no evidence supporting a high fat, low carb diet all I can say is what I said before. I was 240 lb. My A1C was 5.7. My blood pressure was ~190/110. My cholesterol was very high (250ish I think).

I researched a bunch as the doctor was prescribing me 3 different meds. I decided to do the keto diet and 5 weeks later I got my blood work done. My A1C was 5.0. My cholesterol was under 200. My blood pressure was down to 140/90. I felt better and I was down to 200 lbs. My mental clarity was amazingly improved in a few months. I can't really explain it but I was performing better at work and felt much better mentally and physically.

So all I can say is this is the first diet I tried that I lost weigh, was sustainable (over 2 years now and no problems staying on this diet), blood work is great. Everything those YouTube videos said would happen happened.

Now as far as plant based, I did that a few years back. That was like 2017. I lost a lot of weight. My bp and cholesterol did drop (I was doing very clean plant based, not much refined carbs). But I felt like absolute ****. I had no energy and I craved garbage foods all the time. I think I lasted 4 months or so before I crashed and gained all my weight back.

Of course this is all anecdotal, but I keep hearing the same thing from everyone trying keto or carnivore. It works for me. I've yet to hear anyone complain about it except the folks that never actually tried it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Trying to read this with an open mind. Of course, these "studies' are run by the same folks in bed with the pharma industry.

In the end I think we can all agree that a carnivore diet can fix metabolic syndrome and a vege diet can also fix metabolic syndrome. We could argue over the nutritional benefits and risks forever. To be sure there are likely good arguments on both sides.

But again, we can all agree that obesity, diabetes, blood pressure, etc are all caused by high carb, high processed sugars and grains. There are going to be vegetarians that are obese and have Type 2 because they can eat pasta and sugar and rice and all the garbage that makes us sick. Carnivores don't have that issue.

Based on everything I've read I think a whole foods, very low carb, keto type diet is the way to go. As for the carnivore diet, I think it's a great elimination diet for people that may have sensitivity to certain plant based foods. If you have health issues, inflammation, auto-immune etc. go carnivore and see if it helps. Then you can introduce veges 1 at a time back into your diet. Stay low carb and you'll probably be fine.
It has been pretty much proven that low-carb diets are the way to go if you want to lose a lot of weight quick. They've been around pretty much forever too, different names but a lot of similarities, all basically "Keto". Some sixty years ago the "meat cheese and egg diet" was a thing. Following that came Adkins. I myself did the Slim-4-Life diet some 25 years ago and actually lost 70 lbs. on it! Gotta hand it to those Slim-4-Life people: most of the clients were pudgy middle-agers like myself, but all the "counselors" at the center (you had to go twice a week for a weigh-in and tale-of-the-tape session, and also to collect your ridiculously expensive diet additives) were young, attractive women who really lavished the praise whenever your weight was going in the right direction. I've been able to keep most of it off but still experience the yo-yo effect, going up 10, then back on keto and lose 10, then gain ten, etc. But easier to lose 10 than 70.

[ithos]

I agree you lose weight fast switching to an all animal protein diet. I did it once and lost weight quick. Didn't have the discipline to stick to it. Years later I researched the whole food plant based diet and discovered that the medical research was much more credible than the low carb diet.

Secrets of the Loma Linda Blue Zone diet: Centenarians’ good nutrition habits and whole foods as key
Wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and cancer risk - WCRF International (https://www.wcrf.org/diet-activity-and-cancer/risk-factors/wholegrains-vegetables-fruit-and-cancer-risk/)

Since there is no society I know of that is exclusively animal protein, I hope the meat industry puts together a long term study for the carnivore diet. I can't find one. If the results come back positive then I will be persuaded and do a mea culpa.

[frayedends]

I agree you lose weight fast switching to an all animal protein diet. I did it once and lost weight quick. Didn't have the discipline to stick to it. Years later I researched the whole food plant based diet and discovered that the medical research was much more credible than the low carb diet.

Secrets of the Loma Linda Blue Zone diet: Centenarians’ good nutrition habits and whole foods as key
Wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and cancer risk - WCRF International (https://www.wcrf.org/diet-activity-and-cancer/risk-factors/wholegrains-vegetables-fruit-and-cancer-risk/)

Since there is no society I know of that is exclusively animal protein, I hope the meat industry puts together a long term study for the carnivore diet. I can't find one. If the results come back positive then I will be persuaded and do a mea culpa.

Lol I prefer any study be done by someone other than the industry that gains from positive results. I wouldn’t trust a study done by the meat industry on the carnivore diet. There was a study by Harvard that confirmed the positive effects I mentioned.

The Harvard Carnivore Diet Study: Findings and Takeaway - Dr. Robert Kiltz (https://www.doctorkiltz.com/the-harvard-carnivore-diet-study/)

[MorTech]

The best steakhouse in the world is a bit out of town.
The best thing you will ever put in your mouth.
Chianina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbB80gc_EuY

[MorTech]

Bistecca alla Fiorentina.
Watch this woman's reaction starting at 8:50...She is not acting :)
The first time I had this, I almost fell off my chair. The waitress thought I was having a stroke :)
Put it on your carnivore bucket list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ731H3S6g

Now that it is world famous, it has got expensive. The first time I was there I think it cost the equivalent of $15.

[The Chipster]

Just about any diet can cherry pick bio markers that may improve after starting it. But that is not a valid scientific method to determine its true impact on health. Neither are anecdotal claims.

Several have mentioned that plants are bad for humans. This is the probably the most ridiculous idea ever posted on TOV. And anyone who believes that is placing their prejudices above overwhelming rational and science based evidence. Our bodies need fiber and animal protein has none. Only plants have it. And most of the vitamins and minerals you receive from eating meat is because the animals get them from eating plants or from being exposed to water and soil like our ancestors were when they gathered food in the wild. There only a few possible medical reasons to avoid some plants such as the rare case of epilepsy.
Diet and nutrition | Epilepsy Society (https://epilepsysociety.org.uk/living-epilepsy/wellbeing-and-epilepsy/diet-and-nutrition)

There is a site, pubmed.gov, which posts most of the medical literature and studies from established and credentialed organizations. Any medical or diet recommendations should should be accompanied with multiple citations from this site or other renowned medical organizations. One advantage of meatless diets not often discussed is the it takes 20 times more water to produce a calorie of protein from meat than it does a plant. Calculating water footprints of animal, plant proteins (https://phys.org/news/2011-01-footprints-animal-proteins.html)

And what about heart disease? There is only one program for heart disease reversal that is reimbursed by Medicare. Ornish Lifestyle Medicine (https://www.ornish.com/) The key part of it is a plant based diet. Also the Cleveland Clinic which is considered the #1 hospital for heart disease also has a program to reverse the disease for those who are not candidates for surgery. The Esselstyn Heart Disease Program | Cleveland Clinic (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/departments/wellness/integrative/esselstyn-program) Both programs have many years of data to validate them. Is there a carnivore program for reversing heart disease that has decades of data to validate it? Please share.

And if you have Type 2 diabetes? A balanced whole food, plant based diet in most cases reverses that. A plant-based diet for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20general%20consensus,and% 20treating%20type%202%20diabetes). The Best Diet for Preventing and Managing Diabetes (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-best-diet-for-diabetes/)

Kidney disease too.
Conclusions: Higher adherence to healthy plant-based diets and a vegetarian diet was associated with favorable kidney disease outcomes.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31023928/


The bottom line is that our ancestors primarily ate plants because that was available which is why we don't have the type of teeth and intestines to eat raw meat.

If you want to return to your ancestral diet, the one our ancestors ate when most of the features of our guts were evolving, you might reasonably eat what our ancestors spent the most time eating during the largest periods of the evolution of our guts, fruits, nuts, and vegetables—especially fungus-covered tropical leaves.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

To be fair, there are credible studies out there that suggest that the Mediterranean or similar diets also have beneficial health benefits. But all of the blue zones receive most of their protein from plants.


BEST post in this thread. It was full of accurate, valuable links and information. Thank you. Unfortunately, due to massive cognitive dissonance, most readers will not believe anything except their narrow views about the "healthy" wonders of red meat. Darwin's Law?

[Eg_cruz]

For all of you carnivores, here are some fancy restaurant specials to try:

* The All-You-Can-Eat Cardiac Arrest
* The EMT Bone-In Special
* Coronary Clogger Delight
* The Elevated Blood-Pressure Plate
* special desert: Statin Enhanced Ice Cream Pie

(sorry, this was all done in good humor (sort of). BTW, any idea why we evolved with flat teeth instead of canine teeth?
Love it

[frayedends]

BEST post in this thread. It was full of accurate, valuable links and information. Thank you. Unfortunately, due to massive cognitive dissonance, most readers will not believe anything except their narrow views about the "healthy" wonders of red meat. Darwin's Law?


So I should ignore the fact that the keto/carnivore diet cured all my health issues because there are links to other studies?

This statement right here is the problem... "There is a site, pubmed.gov, which posts most of the medical literature and studies from established and credentialed organizations. Any medical or diet recommendations should should be accompanied with multiple citations from this site or other renowned medical organizations."

These "renowned medical organizations" are the same orgs that taught my last doctor to tell me, "You're over 50, nothing you can do. Just take the pills and you'll be fine."

These organizations are the ones in bed with the pharma companies. FWIW I don't think all plants are killing people. I think some plants may be killing some people. Starting a carnivore diet is a good way to figure out which plants you may be sensitive to.

[ithos]

[QUOTE=frayedends;2277438]So I should ignore the fact that the keto/carnivore diet cured all my health issues because there are links to other studies?

You can believe whatever you want but when some on this thread start proclaiming the the carnivore is a healthy diet that cures many ill and that plants are dangerous without citing credible peer reviewed literature then you shouldn't be surprised when others respond with science and fact based evidence.

Were you truly cured or did the symptoms go away. Are there long term negative consequences that you don't know about? We have no idea unless you are willing to provide your entire medical record which probably isn't appropriate on this site.

I could provide anecdotal evidence that I had significant improvement by going plant based but it would be almost worthless because it is just one data point. That is why I reference articles from established and credible medical organizations that substantiate their findings with established medical protocols and years of data.

Pubmed.gov. If you can find information that backs up your beliefs then I would be most interested in reading it.

[frayedends]

[QUOTE=frayedends;2277438]So I should ignore the fact that the keto/carnivore diet cured all my health issues because there are links to other studies?

You can believe whatever you want but when some on this thread start proclaiming the the carnivore is a healthy diet that cures many ill and that plants are dangerous without citing credible peer reviewed literature then you shouldn't be surprised when others respond with science and fact based evidence.

Were you truly cured or did the symptoms go away. Are there long term negative consequences that you don't know about? We have no idea unless you are willing to provide your entire medical record which probably isn't appropriate on this site.

I could provide anecdotal evidence that I had significant improvement by going plant based but it would be almost worthless because it is just one data point. That is why I reference articles from established and credible medical organizations that substantiate their findings with established medical protocols and years of data.

Pubmed.gov. If you can find information that backs up your beliefs then I would be most interested in reading it.

I think there is a lot we agree on. As far as a vegetarian diet, I don't think it's sustainable and I don't think it's healthy. Just about every vegetarian I've met looks sickly thin and seems to have very low muscle mass. That is, of course, excluding the "vegetarians" that are obese because they eat tons of processed carbs.

But this is just my opinion. As far as research, I won't be trusting anything "Dot Gov". They are the people telling us to eat mostly pasta and bread.

I guess I wouldn't share my personal medical history here, but my A1C went from 5.7 (any higher is diabetic) to 5.0 in an extremely short time. I lost 30 lbs quickly and my BP and cholesterol have been fine. We are on a couple years now. Again, though, I didn't do strict carnivore, just very low carb.

In any case, I've fallen victim to what I complain about and derailed a thread. The OP didn't ask us for advice on the diet. So I think we can agree to disagree on some points and move on to good meat recommendations.

[ithos]

Lol I prefer any study be done by someone other than the industry that gains from positive results. I wouldn’t trust a study done by the meat industry on the carnivore diet. There was a study by Harvard that confirmed the positive effects I mentioned.

The Harvard Carnivore Diet Study: Findings and Takeaway - Dr. Robert Kiltz (https://www.doctorkiltz.com/the-harvard-carnivore-diet-study/)

IT WAS A SURVEY! And then they made the disclaimer
"The generalizability of these findings and the long-term effects of this dietary pattern require further study."
Of course they are going to get positive feedback because in the short term there are benefits.

Study limitations
This study was based on self-reported responses to an online survey.
Recalling what exactly one eats in a week, month or year is notoriously difficult.
And there is no way to objectively verify the accuracy of self-reported eating habits and health outcomes.

As far as what Harvard officially recommends, it is more of a Mediterranean diet.

Protein power – ¼ of your plate.
Fish, poultry, beans, and nuts are all healthy, versatile protein sources—they can be mixed into salads, and pair well with vegetables on a plate. Limit red meat, and avoid processed meats such as bacon and sausage.
Healthy Eating Plate | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate/)

And they are also a key participants of long term study of nurses started in 1976
Nurses' Health Study | (https://nurseshealthstudy.org/)

CNN
—
A large new study by Harvard researchers suggests having just two servings of red meat per week increases risk for developing type 2 diabetes later in life, and the risk further increases with greater consumption, according to the study published Thursday in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

“The association between red meat and type 2 diabetes has been observed in different populations worldwide,” said the study’s first author Xiao Gu, a postdoctoral research fellow of nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, via email. “We keep strengthening existing evidence with improved data and techniques. I hope our study could settle the debate regarding whether we should limit red meat intake for health concerns or not.”

It is a great body of research because of longevity and the number of people surveyed. And they cover much more than diet.

[frayedends]

Never mind. No sense derailing the thread anymore.

[Boomer]

Learn to cook sous vide. I favor the Sous Vide Supreme with ten years of trouble-free service. The "stick circulators" are cheaper, but have moving parts that can fail and they make some noise in use. Great steaks however you like them. The same for any meat, including cuts like chuck steak which requires a good 48-72 hour cook to be tender, yet still cooked rare to medium rare. The beauty of it is that you will always end up with your protein cooked to exactly what you wanted and it is not time sensitive, so you take out the meat and give it a 60-120 second sear when everything else in your meal is ready.

Google "sous vide" to learn more. If you go that route, it is hard to beat Jason Logsdon's "Modernist Cooking Sous Vide" for learning and guidance.

We use sous vide with a lot of success with steaks and pork. But we tried a roast only once because it was not at all tender, in fact it was leather. It has been a while, but if I remember correctly, I think it was a rump roast, about 3 pounds.

I am going to look up Jason Logsdon as you recommended, but meanwhile what is the secret to getting a tender roast with sous vide?

We think we did not leave it in long enough, but I want to know more before trying again because I don’t want to mess up a roast twice.

Boomer

[frayedends]

We use sous vide with a lot of success with steaks and pork. But we tried a roast only once because it was not at all tender, in fact it was leather. It has been a while, but if I remember correctly, I think it was a rump roast, about 3 pounds.

I am going to look up Jason Logsdon as you recommended, but meanwhile what is the secret to getting a tender roast with sous vide?

We think we did not leave it in long enough, but I want to know more before trying again because I don’t want to mess up a roast twice.

Boomer

What temp did you do the roast? A rump roast is typically used for pot roast and would be cooked till almost shreddable. Like over 200 degree internal. I wouldn’t sous vide that type of roast. You want a rib roast or some other tender roast. 3lb at 125 would take probably 3 hours minimum and then sear it in a very hot oven or in cast iron for medium rare.

If rump was tough it was almost certainly undercooked.