House is being rented, and our VillagesIDs are forfeited

[CoachKandSportsguy]

OK, following the rules, all is fine.

We are visiting local friends from MA who also bought in TV, so evidently, we have to register as guests. . . is that correct?

just making sure that we are interpreting the rules correctly?

sportsguy

[villagetinker]

... I misread the initial question, call a rec center and ask them.

[Topspinmo]

Are they renting out their house or you? If so you or them probably gave up you iDs for renters? So in that case yes you would be guest If that’s legal? Which sure it is with all the clauses in rules?

[Bill14564]

Logically, this makes sense. Since you gave up your IDs for those who are renting your home, you would need Guest IDs to use the amenities.

Two potential problems:
1. An individual with a local address cannot get a guest ID. If your only address is your Villages address then that would be an issue.

2. The ID system knows your name and birthdate for your regular IDs. It *could* flag an attempt to obtain a guest ID for someone who has already been issued a regular ID.

Easy enough to call the Rec Center or Customer Service to ask the question.

[dhdallas]

OK, following the rules, all is fine.

We are visiting local friends from MA who also bought in TV, so evidently, we have to register as guests. . . is that correct?

just making sure that we are interpreting the rules correctly?

sportsguy

So you are a resident of TV and you are visiting another resident of TV and you want to know if you need a guest pass? Really?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

So you are a resident of TV and you are visiting another resident of TV and you want to know if you need a guest pass? Really?

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.

Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.

[Bogie Shooter]

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.

Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.

Then check with ID services......not rely on TOTV opinions!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

And the answer is :
Guest pass USING YOUR OUT OF STATE ADDRESS with your OUT OF STATE DRIVERS LICENSE

called the rec center and took about 3 minutes to find a person with the correct answer

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Then check with ID services......not rely on TOTV opinions!

aye, aye sir!

[Bill14564]

Then check with ID services......not rely on TOTV opinions!

Apparently, you would be surprised at how many ToTV posters have real-world experience rather than just opinions.

[Bogie Shooter]

Apparently, you would be surprised at how many ToTV posters have real-world experience rather than just opinions.

Yes, I really would.............

[coffeebean]

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.


Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.
You are responding to the poster who doesn’t care if NON Villagers use our amenities. He/she does not want to have to show “zee papers”.

[tophcfa]

Logically, this makes sense. Since you gave up your IDs for those who are renting your home, you would need Guest IDs to use the amenities.

Two potential problems:
1. An individual with a local address cannot get a guest ID. If your only address is your Villages address then that would be an issue.

2. The ID system knows your name and birthdate for your regular IDs. It *could* flag an attempt to obtain a guest ID for someone who has already been issued a regular ID.

Easy enough to call the Rec Center or Customer Service to ask the question.

Good advice. Since the OP also has a legal residence up north, that address can be used to get guest ID’s. That being said, point number two above could still be an issue. The other bummer is that even though you are a resident, using a guest ID will not get you resident benefits such as free executive golf (trail fees aside), resident Championship golf rates, or use of the sports pools. But I guess that’s the cost of surrendering your resident ID’s so your tenants (I won’t call you a slumlord if you have responsible, over 55, long term tenants) can get resident ID’s.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

... I misread the initial question, call a rec center and ask them.

Called customer service and got the answer as yes, use your out of state license,
then got a call back from the same rec center to call the district management office
then called them explained the scenario and they said yes the first time,
and then final answer is flat out

NO!

Another phone call to see if we can use the championship golf courses as an out of state resident, and the answer is YES! , but we pay full price.

So I guess we golf championship only unless we purchase fake driver's licenses, or I use my parents ID with inserted pictures. . though the picture to age upper 90's might be a problem. .

I think if the tv show "Person of Interest" is to air again, they should use TV as the setting where seniors are the people threatened. . . their surveillance system is top notch!

[tophcfa]

We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB.

Just curious, why rent home in an LLC? Is that a vehicle that limits your personal liability, especially if you include a golf cart with the rental? If you stop renting the home, is it easy to dissolve the LLC and convert ownership to yourself and Coach K?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Just curious, why rent home in an LLC? Is that a vehicle that limits your personal liability, especially if you include a golf cart with the rental? If you stop renting the home, is it easy to dissolve the LLC and convert ownership to yourself and Coach K?

Yes, its about limiting liability for very little cost with the golf cart included, different cost structures for insurance and greater tax benefits. We will pay zero income taxes on all the income with the tax loss carry forwards when we dissolve the LLC.

retired finance guy

[tophcfa]

Did so and got the answer as yes, use your out of state license,
then got a call back from the same rec center to call the district management office
then called them explained the scenario and they said yes the first time,
and then final answer is flat out

NO!

So I guess we golf off property unless we purchase fake driver's licenses, or I use my parents ID with inserted pictures. . though the picture to age upper 90's might be a problem. .

I think if the tv show "Person of Interest" is to air again, they should use TV as the setting where seniors are the people threatened. . . their surveillance system is top notch!

Interesting, so no guest ID’s available for residents who surrendered their ID’s to tenants. Learn something every day. So no family, neighborhood, or sports pools (within the rules), pickle ball, and executive golf are out. Can still play championship golf at non resident rates, but at those prices it’s probably worth venturing outside the bubble. I agree the surveillance system is top notch when it comes to golf, but iD checking for other amenities is spotty at best. Enjoy your time at the Villages. I would rather be there right now with no ID than being stuck up north in these below freezing temperatures.

[Bill14564]

Did so and got the answer as yes, use your out of state license,
then got a call back from the same rec center to call the district management office
then called them explained the scenario and they said yes the first time,
and then final answer is flat out

NO!

Another phone call to see if we can use the championship golf courses as an out of state resident, and the answer is YES! , but we pay full price.

So I guess we golf championship only unless we purchase fake driver's licenses, or I use my parents ID with inserted pictures. . though the picture to age upper 90's might be a problem. .

I think if the tv show "Person of Interest" is to air again, they should use TV as the setting where seniors are the people threatened. . . their surveillance system is top notch!

I don't know... seems like "yes" has it by a score of two to one.

At this point I would just have your hosts submit the application using your out-of-state address and see what happens. Their surveillance system might have cracks that you can slip through.

PLUS, you really are not gaming the system at all. You are not an in-area, non-relative individual trying to gain access to the Villages amenities. You are an out-of-area guest of a current resident. You are not requesting anything more than my relatives from NY or friends from MD are requesting when they come to visit.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I don't know... seems like "yes" has it by a score of two to one.

At this point I would just submit the application using your out-of-state address and see what happens. Their surveillance system might have cracks that you can slip through.

PLUS, you really are not gaming the system at all. You are not an in-area, non-relative individual trying to gain access to the Villages amenities. You are an out-of-area guest of a current resident. You are not requesting anything more than my relatives from NY or friends from MD are requesting when they come to visit.

Nah, not going to push my luck.. . . I don't want to screw up any guest ids, or make extra work for the property managers although we did try making tee times, and our id numbers are assigned to the renters names, so we can see that the system keeps the same ID numbers, but gives them different names. . .

BTW, just got a call from the UK, that wasn't you was it?

I have gotten one other phishing call from the UK long time ago, so I didn't answer it

[Bill14564]

BTW, just got a call from the UK, that wasn't you was it?



No, I'm local (and I don't know your number). I use the Private Message function of these boards to contact someone directly.

[Vermilion Villager]

OK, following the rules, all is fine.

We are visiting local friends from MA who also bought in TV, so evidently, we have to register as guests. . . is that correct?

just making sure that we are interpreting the rules correctly?

sportsguy
If I have this correct:
1. you are currently renting out your home, and
2. During this period that your home is being rented out, you are returning to the Villages.
If that is true then yes...you are a guest.

[Dusty_Star]

I agree with the others who say at this point in time you are a guest of your friends. I suspect if your friends submit the Guest ID application using their Resident ID & then your MA credentials for you & your wife, you will be correctly assigned Guest IDs. I also suspect the confusion at the Villages offices has arisen because you were making the calls & explaining that you are currently a non-resident homeowner. Which is probably irrelevant, but the irrevelancy managed to confuse the offices.

[BrianL99]

I agree with the others who say at this point in time you are a guest of your friends. I suspect if your friends submit the Guest ID application using their Resident ID & then your MA credentials for you & your wife, you will be correctly assigned Guest IDs. I also suspect the confusion at the Villages offices has arisen because you were making the calls & explaining that you are currently a non-resident homeowner. Which is probably irrelevant, but the irrevelancy managed to confuse the offices.


In a simple world, I think you're correct, he's a "Guest". That said, it's in the best interest of the community if "Owner's" are NOT allowed "Guest Passes" under most circumstances. It's an issue of double-dipping.

If they were readily allowed, every Landlord in TV would have one of their friends arrange Guest Passes for them, anytime they want to use the amenities. You could rent your house out and yet still use the amenities. Have your cake and eat it too.

I suspect the Guest ID system cross-references names when issuing Guest ID's. If a home is owned by a Trust or LCC (as mine is), there are a limited number of Resident ID's assigned to that address. If one of those names pops up as applying for a Guest ID, I'm sure it's flagged by the computer system.

[Normal]

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[CoachKandSportsguy]

If I have this correct:
1. you are currently renting out your home, and
2. During this period that your home is being rented out, you are returning to the Villages.
If that is true then yes...you are a guest.

Read post #14
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2277904-post14.html

Please keep read the posts and keep up. . .

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I agree with the others who say at this point in time you are a guest of your friends. I suspect if your friends submit the Guest ID application using their Resident ID & then your MA credentials for you & your wife, you will be correctly assigned Guest IDs. I also suspect the confusion at the Villages offices has arisen because you were making the calls & explaining that you are currently a non-resident homeowner. Which is probably irrelevant, but the irrevelancy managed to confuse the offices.

Read post #14
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2277904-post14.html

And no, I am not going to cause any system confusion by trying after talking to the district management office, which manages the recreation centers, as the answer is still NOT ALLOWED!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

in a simple world, i think you're correct, he's a "guest". That said, it's in the best interest of the community if "owner's" are not allowed "guest passes" under most circumstances. It's an issue of double-dipping.

If they were readily allowed, every landlord in tv would have one of their friends arrange guest passes for them, anytime they want to use the amenities. You could rent your house out and yet still use the amenities. Have your cake and eat it too.

I suspect the guest id system cross-references names when issuing guest id's. If a home is owned by a trust or lcc (as mine is), there are a limited number of resident id's assigned to that address. If one of those names pops up as applying for a guest id, i'm sure it's flagged by the computer system.

correct!

[Toymeister]

If you are renting your home, then yes you have forfeited your ID. However you can get guest passes if you are a guest

[BrianL99]

In a simple world, I think you're correct, he's a "Guest". That said, it's in the best interest of the community if "Owner's" are NOT allowed "Guest Passes" under most circumstances. It's an issue of double-dipping.

If they were readily allowed, every Landlord in TV would have one of their friends arrange Guest Passes for them, anytime they want to use the amenities. You could rent your house out and yet still use the amenities. Have your cake and eat it too.

I suspect the Guest ID system cross-references names when issuing Guest ID's. If a home is owned by a Trust or LCC (as mine is), there are a limited number of Resident ID's assigned to that address. If one of those names pops up as applying for a Guest ID, I'm sure it's flagged by the computer system.

correct!

Thank you. I love being right.

Now please go over to the thread on CDD Bonds. You're a former finance guy. Please explain to the masses, that CDD Bonds are nothing more than mortgages, with a different name and they only relate to land and not homes.

(Once you explain that, then you can move on to how Bond prices fall, when Interest rates rise.):a20:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If you are renting your home, then yes you have forfeited your ID. However you can get guest passes if you are a guest

Per district management, not allowed, and the office people disagree with the ruling.
It may have worked in the past, I don't know about the history of it, or whatever, but it got elevated to district management overseeing the rec centers etc. . .

Is this a experiential answer or a logic answer?

[manaboutown]

Thank you. I love being right.

Now please go over to the thread on CDD Bonds. You're a former finance guy. Please explain to the masses, that CDD Bonds are nothing more than mortgages, with a different name and they only relate to land and not homes.

(Once you explain that, then you can move on to how Bond prices fall, when Interest rates rise.):a20:

They are a form of debt on the property but they are NOT mortgages.

Furthermore mortgage interest is an itemizable tax deduction (to some). Bond interest is not.

[jim@jedward.com]

You don’t have to register. Your hosts have to register for you.

[DonnaNi4os]

From what I understand if you are renting out your home they get passes. You can still get passes but they are not the usual green. You can still get a pass though.

[BrianL99]

They are a form of debt on the property but they are NOT mortgages.

Furthermore mortgage interest is an itemizable tax deduction (to some). Bond interest is not.

Not all mortgage interest is deductible, not all bond interest, is non-deductible.

They are essentially a mortgage with another name. Money borrowed and secured against property.

[Beepart]

Yes

[Randall55]

Have you noticed when you tell someone three things sometimes they only hear one or two? Perhaps this happened in your situation.

1.You told them you are renting your home in the Villages and forfeited your IDs

2. You told them you are coming to visit from out of town

3. You told them you are staying with friends at another address. You want to know if they could guest passes for you

Maybe, they did not comprehend you will be a guest at a different address. It's worth a try to have your friends request guest passes. The worst that can happen is they say no. Your friends can state they were confused on the matter. No harm, no foul! This way, you can be certain the answer you received was correct.

[Nana2Teddy]

Interesting, so no guest ID’s available for residents who surrendered their ID’s to tenants. Learn something every day. So no family, neighborhood, or sports pools (within the rules), pickle ball, and executive golf are out. Can still play championship golf at non resident rates, but at those prices it’s probably worth venturing outside the bubble. I agree the surveillance system is top notch when it comes to golf, but iD checking for other amenities is spotty at best. Enjoy your time at the Villages. I would rather be there right now with no ID than being stuck up north in these below freezing temperatures.
At this moment that I’m reading your comment we are 38 degrees here in The Villages. Brrr!

[stargirl]

The answer to your question (minus the snark) is yes, you will need guest IDs. We did the same thing prior to moving permanently. You forfeited your IDs so your renters could have them so you will now be a guest. No problem obtaining them though.

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.

Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.

[cjky2k]

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.

Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.

Your friends just need to get you a guest pass. We just did that for a friend whose home is rented sept - April. No issue at all. Done all the time for landlords whose passes were transferred to renters. However, you will be a guest and will pay guest green fees to play golf. And need to keep your guest pass with your picture ID with you.

[NavyNJ]

Called customer service and got the answer as yes, use your out of state license,
then got a call back from the same rec center to call the district management office
then called them explained the scenario and they said yes the first time,
and then final answer is flat out

NO!

Another phone call to see if we can use the championship golf courses as an out of state resident, and the answer is YES! , but we pay full price.

So I guess we golf championship only unless we purchase fake driver's licenses, or I use my parents ID with inserted pictures. . though the picture to age upper 90's might be a problem. .

I think if the tv show "Person of Interest" is to air again, they should use TV as the setting where seniors are the people threatened. . . their surveillance system is top notch!

Not sure why you’re messing with or concerned about DLs, photos, etc. IF the friends you’re visiting own and have their own Villager ID, they simply have to go online, enter your name, DOB, address, and check a box if you’ve visited TV before, then enter dates if your visit (max 30) and choose where to pick up the passes in a day or so. They go, show THEIR Villages ID, and pick up your passes! Easy!!!

Everyone who has friends/family likely does it this way. Just use your address in Mass. and all should go well!! 👍

[Bill14564]

Not sure why you’re messing with or concerned about DLs, photos, etc. IF the friends you’re visiting own and have their own Villager ID, they simply have to go online, enter your name, DOB, address, and check a box if you’ve visited TV before, then enter dates if your visit (max 30) and choose where to pick up the passes in a day or so. They go, show THEIR Villages ID, and pick up your passes! Easy!!!

Everyone who has friends/family likely does it this way. Just use your address in Mass. and all should go well!! 👍

In order to request a guest pass you need to provide the address of the person receiving the pass. If that address is local then the pass will be denied.

When/if the guest pass is checked, the holder of the pass should be asked for a photo ID to prove the pass was issued for them. I don't have a guest pass in front of me right now but I believe it contains the name, address, and DOB for checking against the ID.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Not sure why you’re messing with or concerned about DLs, photos, etc. IF the friends you’re visiting own and have their own Villager ID, they simply have to go online, enter your name, DOB, address, and check a box if you’ve visited TV before, then enter dates if your visit (max 30) and choose where to pick up the passes in a day or so. They go, show THEIR Villages ID, and pick up your passes! Easy!!!

Everyone who has friends/family likely does it this way. Just use your address in Mass. and all should go well!! ������

Your answer is a process statement, which we all know having done it for our friends when in the villages. Doesn't answer the question. .

The question is:

The system has our name, our address and our date of birth. .

Some decision maker can say "NO!" but will the system catch it? If the system catches it, what does it do to our current IDs which are assigned to other people? Does it fubar them?

The answer i got is like the water meter scandal where the management just flat out defended status quo or their job and ignored the reality of options.

[BrianL99]

I can't wait to hear the final answer, when CoachKandSportsguy posts it.

It certainly seems that what he's said is reasonable and accurate and all the naysayers that are simply tossing out opinions so far, appear to be wrong.

I'm not going to opine on whether I think it's right or not, but it seems TV is attempting to address "double-dipping" and in a way that may not be very fair to those who have a legitimate situation to deal with.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Your friends just need to get you a guest pass. We just did that for a friend whose home is rented sept - April. No issue at all. Done all the time for landlords whose passes were transferred to renters. However, you will be a guest and will pay guest green fees to play golf. And need to keep your guest pass with your picture ID with you.

OK, now we have an experiential answer! Thank you. . So in this case, the management is just flat out responding with typical TV political management go away answer. Like the water meter scandal initial response. .

FL is still a third world country/state.

[Bill14564]

I can't wait to hear the final answer, when CoachKandSportsguy posts it.

It certainly seems that what he's said is reasonable and accurate and all the naysayers that are simply tossing out opinions so far, appear to be wrong.

I'm not going to opine on whether I think it's right or not, but it seems TV is attempting to address "double-dipping" and in a way that may not be very fair to those who have a legitimate situation to deal with.


There is no "double-dipping." The home is occupied and IDs have been provided to those residing in the home. Individuals from out of the area are visiting and current residents are applying for guest passes for their guests. This is exactly what I do for my relatives from NY and friends from MD. No double-dipping, just utilizing the system as it was designed to work.

[tophcfa]

At this moment that I’m reading your comment we are 38 degrees here in The Villages. Brrr!

Chilly for November in the Villages, but still very nice on a relative basis. Min/max thermometer hit 19 degrees last night up north and anemometer said wind gusts hit 40 MPH. Wind chill calculator put temperature equivalent at -2 degrees. Ground is frozen solid, the truck tires low air pressure indicator light went on this morning, and the dog refused his usual morning walk. Baby it’s cold outside. So wishing we were at our Villages home right now with the southern cold front, no problem getting a lap swimming lane in the sports pools and t times are a plenty. Can’t wait until these friggin holidays are over, humbug!

[Wilson02852]

Why ask question in this forum? Wouldn't it be easier and probably more accurate to call TV offices? My experience with this forum is there are a lot of experts who don't know what they are talking about.

[Bill14564]

Why ask question in this forum? Wouldn't it be easier and probably more accurate to call TV offices? My experience with this forum is there are a lot of experts who don't know what they are talking about.

If you read over the entire thread you will see:

- question asked
- ideas provided, including suggestion to call
- call made and answer given
- answer confirmed by another call
- answer reversed by a third call
- first answer confirmed by actual experience of one of the "experts who don't know what they are talking about"

There are a lot of people on this forum. For many questions that come up, someone here has already tried it.

[BrianL99]

There is no "double-dipping." The home is occupied and IDs have been provided to those residing in the home. Individuals from out of the area are visiting and current residents are applying for guest passes for their guests. This is exactly what I do for my relatives from NY and friends from MD. No double-dipping, just utilizing the system as it was designed to work.

It's just fascinating how folks on here chose to read what suits their purpose and ignore what they don't understand or don't agree with.

If you're referring to my comment, I didn't say or even suggest CoachKandSportsguy was double-dipping. I said "TV is trying to address double-dipping" ... which appears to be exactly what they're trying to do.

Family A lives in Boston.

They then buy a beautiful vacation home in Lady Lake, for 60% of what it would sell for in TV.

They then buy a home in The Villages for investment purposes and get their Resident ID's. They get to use all the TV amenities when their home isn't rented.

When their home is rented and they happen to be staying at their Lady Lake home and want to join their friends playing Pickleball or at the Pool, they call one of their neighbors in TV to arrange a Guest Pass for them, using their Boston address. This avoids the Guest Pass restriction on local residents and is a form of double-dipping TV is trying to control.

This is likely why the Guest ID system cross-references names, as has apparently happened to CoachKandSportsguy.

[rustyp]

OK, following the rules, all is fine.

We are visiting local friends from MA who also bought in TV, so evidently, we have to register as guests. . . is that correct?

just making sure that we are interpreting the rules correctly?

sportsguy

The rules:

"A qualified guest is defined as an individual whose current residence is outside Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. A resident who has a son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild (and their spouses) who reside in Lake, Marion or Sumter counties may apply for an in-area guest ID card."

Where is your legal address ? That is an easy and/or ethical question. Where do you vote ? Looking for a loophole ? The rules state "current residence" not "primary residence".

If you are voting here in TV with an address within the three counties you are not eligible for a guest pass. The entire set of rules is two sentences long.

[Bill14564]

It's just fascinating how folks on here chose to read what suits their purpose and ignore what they don't understand or don't agree with.

If you're referring to my comment, I didn't say or even suggest CoachKandSportsguy was double-dipping. I said "TV is trying to address double-dipping" ... which appears to be exactly what they're trying to do.

Family A lives in Boston.

They then buy a beautiful vacation home in Lady Lake, for 60% of what it would sell for in TV.

They then buy a home in The Villages for investment purposes and get their Resident ID's. They get to use all the TV amenities when their home isn't rented.

When their home is rented and they happen to be staying at their Lady Lake home and want to join their friends playing Pickleball or at the Pool, they call one of their neighbors in TV to arrange a Guest Pass for them, using their Boston address. This avoids the Guest Pass restriction on local residents and is a form of double-dipping TV is trying to control.

This is likely why the Guest ID system cross-references names, as has apparently happened to CoachKandSportsguy.

If someone lives in Lady Lake then they are not eligible for a guest pass.

If someone retains their home in MA (or any other state) and comes to visit a friend in the Villages then they ARE eligible for a guest pass.

If I own multiple homes in multiple states then I guess I win. Do you suppose there are many of those people on this forum?

Please read more carefully. Base your answers on what was provided, not what you can come up with in your imagination.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

The rules:

"A qualified guest is defined as an individual whose current residence is outside Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. A resident who has a son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild (and their spouses) who reside in Lake, Marion or Sumter counties may apply for an in-area guest ID card."

Where is your legal address ? That is an easy and/or ethical question. Where do you vote ? Looking for a loophole ? The rules state "current residence" not "primary residence".

If you are voting here in TV with an address within the three counties you are not eligible for a guest pass. The entire set of rules is two sentences long.

great, where is this link located. . . thanks,
now running around late for appointments . . .

[rustyp]

great, where is this link located. . . thanks,
now running around late for appointments . . .

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/GuestGuidelines.aspx)

[charmed59]

I think what muddied the waters was you were requesting a guest pass for yourself. Only a resident can get a guest pass. Presently you are not a resident, even though you own a house here, as you gave the residency to whomever is renting that house.

However, I’m assuming the friend you are staying with is a resident. They can ask for a guest pass for you. The record for your guest pass will have your name, out of state residence, birthdate, and your friends’ property id. That pass means you still pay for the executive courses, and you can’t use the sport pools. And there is a limit to how many days a year you can get a guest pass.

Obviously, if your friend is not a resident of the Villages this won’t work.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Why ask question in this forum? Wouldn't it be easier and probably more accurate to call TV offices? My experience with this forum is there are a lot of experts who don't know what they are talking about.

Sorry, if you read all the posts, I did call and got different answers and most likely got the wrong answer from a political appointee who has limited experience with reality.

[Two Bills]

All this Yes, No, Maybe, Probably, Definitely is taking up time.
By the time it's all sorted, it will be time to go home anyway! :shrug:

PS. If you give me the unknown UK number that rang you, I will look it up on the scammer list for you.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I think what muddied the waters was you were requesting a guest pass for yourself. Only a resident can get a guest pass. Presently you are not a resident, even though you own a house here, as you gave the residency to whomever is renting that house.

However, I’m assuming the friend you are staying with is a resident. They can ask for a guest pass for you. The record for your guest pass will have your name, out of state residence, birthdate, and your friends’ property id. That pass means you still pay for the executive courses, and you can’t use the sport pools. And there is a limit to how many days a year you can get a guest pass.

Obviously, if your friend is not a resident of the Villages this won’t work.

Yes, I know the process,

You are correct in how the question was posed!
:BigApplause:
how the question is asked by me (encoded into words) and how the question is interpreted by the listening (words decoded into thoughts) had several examples in my conversations of not being precise enough and the listeners relaying incomplete information. And my words assumed but did not say that the residents we were visiting would be requesting the guest passes.

Therefore the answer I got back was correct, but my question was not in compliance with the process to acquire.

[jcreason5616]

I don’t understand how it is double dipping. If the owners had not transferred their resident IDs, and then had guest visit them, they would be owners, A and B and Guest, C and D. Very legitimate and done all the time. if the renters are now residents A and B, and the owners are Guest C and D, same exact thing. How could that possibly present a problem?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

All this Yes, No, Maybe, Probably, Definitely is taking up time.
By the time it's all sorted, it will be time to go home anyway! :shrug:

PS. If you give me the unknown UK number that rang you, I will look it up on the scammer list for you.

LOL! here is the number
(44) 0800-917-7111

Thanks!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I don’t understand how it is double dipping. If the owners had not transferred their resident IDs, and then had guest visit them, they would be owners, A and B and Guest, C and D. Very legitimate and done all the time. if the renters are now residents A and B, and the owners are Guest C and D, same exact thing. How could that possibly present a problem?

If the owners had not transferred their resident IDs

Sorry, that's not the scenario, so whatever you are commenting about is a made up scenario.

if the renters are now residents

Still not the scenario presented, so whatever you are commenting about is a made up scenario

geez, just adding FUD to the conversation

[BrianL99]

I don’t understand how it is double dipping. If the owners had not transferred their resident IDs, and then had guest visit them, they would be owners, A and B and Guest, C and D. Very legitimate and done all the time. if the renters are now residents A and B, and the owners are Guest C and D, same exact thing. How could that possibly present a problem?


I don't think CoachKandSportsguy is "double dipping". If you read my Post #49, it was a hypothetical scenario I suspect TV is trying to prevent and the the OP is simply caught up in (at least so far). He was denied his Guest Pass, because he owns a home in TV that is rented ... even though he's not a resident of TV, nor of the adjoining counties.

I think he's entitled to a Guest Pass, but he apparently hasn't been issued one yet.

[BrianL99]

If someone lives in Lady Lake then they are not eligible for a guest pass.

If someone retains their home in MA (or any other state) and comes to visit a friend in the Villages then they ARE eligible for a guest pass.

If I own multiple homes in multiple states then I guess I win. Do you suppose there are many of those people on this forum?

Please read more carefully. Base your answers on what was provided, not what you can come up with in your imagination.

I think if you take the time to read Posts #6, #14, #23, #27, #49, #61, you'll understand the issues much better.

Is there a prize for owning homes in multiple states? I'm only 6 in 3. I surely won't make the top 30% in TV.

[Two Bills]

LOL! here is the number
(44) 0800-917-7111

Thanks!

Company called Global IT Networks.
National Grid.

Market Operation Data Interface System (MODIS) | ESO (https://www.nationalgrideso.com/industry-information/codes/balancing-settlement-code-bsc/market-operation-data-interface-system)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Company called Global IT Networks.
National Grid.

Market Operation Data Interface System (MODIS) | ESO (https://www.nationalgrideso.com/industry-information/codes/balancing-settlement-code-bsc/market-operation-data-interface-system)

Thanks!

Last employer, just retired from them in June. . . a couple of people have my number over there, but I have had enough work for the moment. .. they are such a political company that the politics became untenable.