Not Friendly Anymore

[English Ivy]

The Hacienda lottery winners don't want one of the group to collect her winnings. Unfortunately the lawyers will now probably be the big winners.

http://www.wftv.com/news/26260729/detail.html

[Mudder]

Oh no, how could they cut her out? What a shame, with friends like that who needs enemies? The lawyers must be licking their chops !

[graciegirl]

What goes around comes around. That is pretty mean, I agree with you Mudder.

Merry Christmas and hugs, English Ivy and Mudder!

[redwitch]

From what I understand, there are usually between 6 and 14 who participate. Occasionally, some of the golfers don't show up, servers are off. Sometimes one will "front" for another; sometimes they won't. She was off and claims someone fronted her. Guess it's up to whomever supposedly paid her $1.00 to either admit or deny (or she's going to have to prove she gave her $1.00 to someone -- difficult thing to do).

It could be any of the following scenarios:

1. She's being cheated by the other winners.

2. She's trying to scam her way into the winnings.

3. She's innocent of scamming but really has no right to any of the winnings because no one paid her share.

4. Someone forgot to mention that $1.00 was for her and now is afraid to step up.

Regardless, no one should be too quick to condemn anyone in this. They could all be innocent. We just don't have the facts.

[jebartle]

Amazing how MONEY is the root of all evils....Huh?

[EdV]

The first question to ask is, how many tickets were purchased, 9 or 10.

Correction, meant to say 7 or 8.

[Talk Host]

This is no surprise. It happens often. I have had the following intellectual discussion many times.

You live in Florida and the lotto is 25 million. You call your friend in Boise and she says, "buy me a ticket." So you do. But you also purchase some tickets for yourself. You now have possession of all of them and your friends ticket wins, but you have the ticket.

I know what most people "SAY" they would do, but I wonder how many would actually do the right thing.

[getdul981]

This is no surprise. It happens often. I have had the following intellectual discussion many times.

You live in Florida and the lotto is 25 million. You call your friend in Boise and she says, "buy me a ticket." So you do. But you also purchase some tickets for yourself. You now have possession of all of them and your friends ticket wins, but you have the ticket.

I know what most people "SAY" they would do, but I wonder how many would actually do the right thing.

'Tis a puzzlement.

[ajbrown]

This is no surprise. It happens often. I have had the following intellectual discussion many times.

You live in Florida and the lotto is 25 million. You call your friend in Boise and she says, "buy me a ticket." So you do. But you also purchase some tickets for yourself. You now have possession of all of them and your friends ticket wins, but you have the ticket.

I know what most people "SAY" they would do, but I wonder how many would actually do the right thing.

I have never had any of these problems associated with winning a large lottery :(, but I have bought tickets for others on occasion. The way I handled it was to tell them their numbers ahead of time, mostly so they could have the excitement of seeing the drawing, but it would handle any potential confusion or hard feelings.

It will be interesting if we ever learn the facts of this current case. If they are not careful, half the money will be gone in litigation, along with half of them before they get anything.

[elevatorman]

The difference is only about $200,000 per person after taxes.

[iandwk]

Amazing how MONEY is the root of all evils....Huh?

That's actually not the entire passage from the Bible. The "love of money" is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

I can have money and not be involved with evil. Someday I would love to find out if that's true. Until then I feel rich by being blessed to live in TV.

[chuckster]

From what I understand, there are usually between 6 and 14 who participate. Occasionally, some of the golfers don't show up, servers are off. Sometimes one will "front" for another; sometimes they won't. She was off and claims someone fronted her. Guess it's up to whomever supposedly paid her $1.00 to either admit or deny (or she's going to have to prove she gave her $1.00 to someone -- difficult thing to do).

It could be any of the following scenarios:

1. She's being cheated by the other winners.

2. She's trying to scam her way into the winnings.

3. She's innocent of scamming but really has no right to any of the winnings because no one paid her share.

4. Someone forgot to mention that $1.00 was for her and now is afraid to step up.

Regardless, no one should be too quick to condemn anyone in this. They could all be innocent. We just don't have the facts.

Agree with Red.....I'd go with selection 2 and 3 and here's why. For a long time, were talking 5 plus years now, inside staff would put "their own" 1.00 in an envelope for the wed and sat drawing and write their name on the envelope. At one time 12 - 15 people were in the drawings. This time only 7 had put their dollar in and the others for what ever reason had not put their name along with a dollar in the envelope.

For those that say "Oh lets just include her", what about the others who had followed the protocol but missed this particular drawing. One of the winners acknowledged missing several drawings because of travels and happened to luckily be in this one.

As I said it's a little of #2 and #3 from Red's post. And no I'm not affiliated with one of the lucky 7.....

[bogeybabe]

For goodness sakes! You seven people need to grow up! $200,000 is not worth throwing away friendships. the lawyers will eat you up...and you deserve it.
isnt $1.1 million enough? you are truly a sorry seven individuals!

[ladylake1]

For goodness sakes! You seven people need to grow up! $200,000 is not worth throwing away friendships. the lawyers will eat you up...and you deserve it.
isnt $1.1 million enough? you are truly a sorry seven individuals!

Perhaps there was not a true "friendship" relationship. Just a business transaction for purchase of the tickets. As stated before, this could open up pandora's box for some of the others who were not "in" on that particular day. I don't know all of the mechanics of the issue but there apparently was not an extra ticket purchased in absentia for this person.

[skyguy79]

For goodness sakes! You seven people need to grow up! $200,000 is not worth throwing away friendships. the lawyers will eat you up...and you deserve it.
isnt $1.1 million enough? you are truly a sorry seven individuals!Do all seven need to grow up or is it possible that not all agreed with their decision to exclude number eight? It's possible that this is a case of the majority rules and the real winners were in the minority.

Where I used to work, one woman handled the collection of the money and purchasing the tickets. After the purchase she would make a photocopy of all the tickets for each participant. That way each of us had our own proof that we could toss in the garbage after we lost! :cry:

[Walt.]

Amazing how generous people are with other peoples money. It's ONLY $200,000 each?

I bet she still hasn't coughed up the $1.

[graciegirl]

Hmmmm. Let me see. Would only 200K be the reason to break up a friendship?

Was it a Mahjong friendship or I was in her wedding friendship?

Not that that matters....:wave:

(JUST KIDDING!)

[chuckster]

Amazing how generous people are with other peoples money. It's ONLY $200,000 each?

I bet she still hasn't coughed up the $1.

Bingo....you got it!

[Talk Host]

I'm wondering how many times this person may have missed paying the $1. Was this the first time or was it a regular occurrence? Was she in fact part of the group, or was she just an occasional contributor? Did the others, in fact, pitch in for a missing person from time to time or not.

Was the ticket acutually owned 7 ways or 6 ways. That is to say, did somebody put the $1 in for her then after the win declare two shares. Or, since she didn't pay, was she left out altogether and only six tickets purchased. IF somebody put it a dollar for her, then that person owns a double share of the win.

There is a reason that she is being exluded. It's not likely that ALL six of the others would be in agreement to leave her out without a sound reason.

[Pturner]

From what I understand, there are usually between 6 and 14 who participate. Occasionally, some of the golfers don't show up, servers are off. Sometimes one will "front" for another; sometimes they won't. She was off and claims someone fronted her. Guess it's up to whomever supposedly paid her $1.00 to either admit or deny (or she's going to have to prove she gave her $1.00 to someone -- difficult thing to do).

It could be any of the following scenarios:

1. She's being cheated by the other winners.

2. She's trying to scam her way into the winnings.

3. She's innocent of scamming but really has no right to any of the winnings because no one paid her share.

4. Someone forgot to mention that $1.00 was for her and now is afraid to step up.

Regardless, no one should be too quick to condemn anyone in this. They could all be innocent. We just don't have the facts.

I agree.

I'm wondering how many times this person may have missed paying the $1. Was this the first time or was it a regular occurrence? Was she in fact part of the group, or was she just an occasional contributor? Did the others, in fact, pitch in for a missing person from time to time or not.

Was the ticket acutually owned 7 ways or 6 ways. That is to say, did somebody put the $1 in for her then after the win declare two shares. Or, since she didn't pay, was she left out altogether and only six tickets purchased. IF somebody put it a dollar for her, then that person owns a double share of the win.

There is a reason that she is being exluded. It's not likely that ALL six of the others would be in agreement to leave her out without a sound reason.

Excellent questions. We don't know all the facts. Heck we know almost none of them. That article was some sorry excuse for news reporting.

[batman911]

I do not believe anyone outside of the group can make the correct call on this one.

Was this person constantly stiffing the others for her share? We do not know. Was this the first time or one of few times. Did others in group ever pay later?

First instinct is either you or in or you are not. If it was not the result of one person being a chincher, then I would vote to give them their share.

[2BNTV]

Do all seven need to grow up or is it possible that not all agreed with their decision to exclude number eight? It's possible that this is a case of the majority rules and the real winners were in the minority.

Where I used to work, one woman handled the collection of the money and purchasing the tickets. After the purchase she would make a photocopy of all the tickets for each participant. That way each of us had our own proof that we could toss in the garbage after we lost! :cry:

I used to do the same thing when I worked at one place and it is the only way to be ethical about winning and people getting their fair share.

If I purchased additional tickets for myself, I let it be known so no one could ever claim that I cheated them.

There was a work place that all the workers in a small company purchased lottery tickets every week. One worker decided he didn't want to contribute and hid in the restroom stall. There were 20 workers and hit for a million dollars. They did not include this person and he lost a lot of money.

[Talk Host]

Here's something to think about. If you go to the store to have your numbers checked by the cashier in their machine, don't do that. If you hand your ticket to a cashier and it turns out to be a big winner, she/he now has possession of it and can claim it belongs to them. Can you imagine?

JLK

[joannej]

I have never had any of these problems associated with winning a large lottery :(, but I have bought tickets for others on occasion. The way I handled it was to tell them their numbers ahead of time, mostly so they could have the excitement of seeing the drawing, but it would handle any potential confusion or hard feelings.

It will be interesting if we ever learn the facts of this current case. If they are not careful, half the money will be gone in litigation, along with half of them before they get anything.
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Photocopies were made of the lottery numbers and distributed to the ticket buyers when I was in a group lottery purchase. There always has to be a way to document the lottery players in case of a big win like this one. This method eliminated anyone trying to "horn in" on any winnings. In this case, there obviously was miscommunication among the Hacienda group about how many tickets to buy for the group! Live and learn!!!

[graciegirl]

Have not bought a lottery ticket in ....maybe 15 years.

I should sometime. I could win, you know.

[Walt.]

It's been about 7 months since the last post on this. Does anyone know how (or if) it was ever resolved?

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[chuckster]

Nope........

[Leafpoker]

They are just stalling with the ball, they will start dying off. Then you get the heirs involved the it will get real wicked. Is great to watch people fight over $$$$$. All north of 466. Just a bunch of Newts. This is on it's way to being resolved. They are going to be on the Jerry springer show!
:cryin2:
As Troy from swamp people says:
Yayayayaya

[memason]

They are just stalling with the ball, they will start dying off. Then you get the heirs involved the it will get real wicked. Is great to watch people fight over $$$$$. All north of 466. Just a bunch of Newts. This is on it's way to being resolved. They are going to be on the Jerry springer show!
:cryin2:
As Troy from swamp people says:
Yayayayaya


Very interesting perspective . . .:confused:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

They are just stalling with the ball, they will start dying off. Then you get the heirs involved the it will get real wicked. Is great to watch people fight over $$$$$. All north of 466. Just a bunch of Newts. This is on it's way to being resolved. They are going to be on the Jerry springer show!
:cryin2:
As Troy from swamp people says:
Yayayayaya

I know what a newt/salamander is and I know who Newt Gingrich is......but I had to look up your usage for the word. YIKES!!

You might want to take a shot at clarifying your point..........:throwtomatoes:

Bill :)

[novie2]

There were 8 people involved so it seems to me that if there were 8 tickets purchased then someone bought a ticket for her......if 7 tickets were purchased then she wasn't included in the lotto.

[2BNTV]

Where I used to work, one woman handled the collection of the money and purchasing the tickets. After the purchase she would make a photocopy of all the tickets for each participant. That way each of us had our own proof that we could toss in the garbage after we lost! :cry:

:agree: We did the same thing at one place I worked.

This is a true story of 20 people who worked at a location in my home town, Yonkers, New York. Every week one person collected a dollar from each worker for the lottery. One person decided he didn't want to continue to contribute a dollar and hid in the restroom when the money was being collected. Well sure enough, that is the week they hit the lottery for a million dollars. It wasn't enough to quit their jobs but did provide money their families needed.

The worker who didn't participate did not receive a dime.

Just Sayin..............

I posted a similar thought as I did not realize this was an older thread. Sorry.

[chuckster]

They are just stalling with the ball, they will start dying off. Then you get the heirs involved the it will get real wicked. Is great to watch people fight over $$$$$. All north of 466. Just a bunch of Newts. This is on it's way to being resolved. They are going to be on the Jerry springer show!
:cryin2:
As Troy from swamp people says:
Yayayayaya

A little early for hittin the bottle.........but then again this is the villages, a drinking community with a golfing problem.....:D

[Bill-n-Brillo]

A little early for hittin the bottle.........but then again this is the villages, a drinking community with a golfing problem.....:D

Remember chuck - - - "It's always 5 o'clock somewhere"!! :beer3: :wine:

Bill :)

[texasfal]

My neighbor is one of the winners and yes the case has been settled. She is not allowed to tell me the settlement as it is confidential.

[Leafpoker]

Good for the person they were trying to leave out. If she can't talk, they settled and she got some money. I am sure these folks have parted ways all over money. How sad. Folks get tunnel vision and just know they are right and it has to be there way. I have seen people get in an agument at a water volley ball game over a point. Who cares it makes no difference. Just like these people came into some money and then became selfish and wouldn't help there friend. I bet some set in the front row at church on Sunday, talk about phony , if they are able to screw there friend over, I am sure they didn't give any to the Lord either! Oh well comes around and this gal got a piece of the action from her so called friends. You don't abandon ur friends like they did.

[robertj1954]

After the legal dust settles, the end result will be them paying out more to their legal team then what would have been paid to their friend. I am sure the lawyers will milk this up to the legal limits. I think it is a shame they (winners) allowed their personal greed to interferre with what was a friendship. How Shallow of them! :(