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PersonOfInterest
12-02-2023, 05:47 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

asianthree
12-02-2023, 05:54 AM
The Villages isn’t the problem, it lack of ability to plan ahead. Ya know I no longer get paid to be there so, I will arrive when I so choose.

Thank goodness the chosen ones are few and far between

Arctic Fox
12-02-2023, 07:23 AM
If you leave the house on time, you will arrive at your appointment on time.

Moreover, being retired means you are able to leave early and have a leisurely journey.

MarkD1981
12-02-2023, 07:25 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

So, you have so many opportunities to have fun, you can't do them all without rushing around?

And, you are privileged with awesome healthcare but all the appointments interfere with all the fun?

Really?

Randall55
12-02-2023, 07:27 AM
The Villages isn’t the problem, it lack of ability to plan ahead. Ya know I no longer get paid to be there so, I will arrive when I so choose.

Thank goodness the chosen ones are few and far betweenIMO many suffer from fear of missing out. They over book their activities then rush to the next and next because they don't want to be left out. My wife and I plan our days around the crowds. We have met many people who enjoy a low key lifestyle and we always have a great time. Like Asian Three stated, "I'll get there when I get there." I am not going to play a game of race the clock.

Michael 61
12-02-2023, 07:32 AM
I’m booked for several events/recreations/classes/clubs/dining reservations each day. I don’t rush to any of them. It’s all about planning. I’m notorious for showing up early to most events/appointments.

ThirdOfFive
12-02-2023, 07:40 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?
Yep. Several "reasons" in fact.

1) Poor planning. LEAVE EARLIER!!! Pretty much a no-brainer.

2) "I matter more than anybody", which apparently is the rationale for folks who routinely break laws or engage in dangerous driving to get to somewhere that they neglected to allow enough time for in the first place. It's apparently fine for some to engage in activities that, if they were on the receiving end and ended up with substantial vehicle and/or personal damage, would mean that they'd be on the horn to Morgan & Morgan as soon as they could get to a phone.

3) "It is the responsibility of others to get out of MY way". See #2, but a tad more self-centered.

And, finally...

#4) "I know I'm a rude, cantankerous old bleepbleepbleepetybleep but I've been this way for _____ years and there is no way on earth that I'm gonna change my ways!"

Bill14564
12-02-2023, 07:59 AM
I would agree it is the Villages environment, both the number of activities and the number of inconsiderate Villagers.

There are a lot of activities spread out across a large area. On one particular day I have back-to-back events at Seabreeze and Bridgeport and on another at Aviary and Everglades. There is enough time to travel between but it is tight.

Not all Villagers are inconsiderate. In fact, probably few are, but those few really foul things up. I have left enough time to get where I am going as long as I don't catch up to a retired person with nowhere to go, all day to get there, and a belief in their constitutional right to hold up everyone behind them.

I wonder sometimes if the carts racing around are really exceeding 20mph or if they are simply going faster than the cart meandering down the path at 15mph. I'm sure that I have been accused of racing - I am also sure my cart is limited to 20mph.

bsloan1960
12-02-2023, 08:02 AM
In 8th grade, my teacher made me write the following 500 times:

"It is discourteous and inappropriate to be repeatedly tardy to business and social engagements".

I don't know if this tedious chore is the reason- but I'm never late to anything- ever. I'm always early. Everything mentioned by OP is the result of each and every individual failing to plan. It is astonishing to me that many of these people who must rush to make tee times were in business prior to retirement. Also, many were in the military. Neither tolerate poor time management. Just as I'm rarely late- some people are rarely on time. Don't blame your schedule- blame your inability to master the simple task of being on time.

ThirdOfFive
12-02-2023, 08:05 AM
I would agree it is the Villages environment, both the number of activities and the number of inconsiderate Villagers.

There are a lot of activities spread out across a large area. On one particular day I have back-to-back events at Seabreeze and Bridgeport and on another at Aviary and Everglades. There is enough time to travel between but it is tight.

Not all Villagers are inconsiderate. In fact, probably few are, but those few really foul things up. I have left enough time to get where I am going as long as I don't catch up to a retired person with nowhere to go, all day to get there, and a belief in their constitutional right to hold up everyone behind them.

I wonder sometimes if the carts racing around are really exceeding 20mph or if they are simply going faster than the cart meandering down the path at 15mph. I'm sure that I have been accused of racing - I am also sure my cart is limited to 20mph.
Sorry. It appears a #5 should be added to the list of excuses on post #7.

7) It is always the OTHER GUY'S fault.

MX rider
12-02-2023, 08:16 AM
If you leave the house on time, you will arrive at your appointment on time.

Moreover, being retired means you are able to leave early and have a leisurely journey.

Exactly!! It ain't rocket science.

fdpaq0580
12-02-2023, 09:34 AM
sorry. It appears a #5 should be added to the list of excuses on post #7.

7) it is always the other guy's fault.

lol!

justjim
12-02-2023, 10:27 AM
OP, you can either control your “time schedule” or let the “schedule” control
You. If you don’t, two things are likely to happen. You will “burn out” or you will become frustrated and quit.

VApeople
12-02-2023, 10:53 AM
When I drive, I do not care what you want me to do. I'm going to drive how I want to and you have to learn how to deal with me.

I have had discussions about driving techniques with others on TOTV. When I describe how I drive, some of them get very upset with me, but it does not matter. I truly enjoy driving and I get to where I am going, so I am not going to change.

Bill14564
12-02-2023, 11:01 AM
When I drive, I do not care what you want me to do. I'm going to drive how I want to and you have to learn how to deal with me.

I have had discussions about driving techniques with others on TOTV. When I describe how I drive, some of them get very upset with me, but it does not matter. I truly enjoy driving and I get to where I am going, so I am not going to change.

Yep, that's the attitude!

Arctic Fox
12-02-2023, 11:01 AM
"It is discourteous and inappropriate to be repeatedly tardy to business and social engagements".

Wouldn't it be nice if doctors/dentists/etc. kept their side of the bargain!

I always arrive at such appointments at least ten minutes early (to complete any paperwork etc.) but am usually kept waiting at least twenty minutes after my appointment time.

vintageogauge
12-02-2023, 11:02 AM
Every one says why are you always in a hurry, you're retired so take your time. I feel that at my age I don't know how much time I have left so I'm always in a hurry to get where I'm going or in whatever I'm doing so I can get more done in the time that I do have left. There's plenty of time to slow down at the end.

Pondboy
12-02-2023, 11:08 AM
I think people are oblivious to speed limits. I drive a company truck monitored by GPS. So my speed is checked and we get calls if we’re speeding, etc.,.

The other week I was driving down Meggison (by Franklin Rec) where the speed limit is 35. A white Lexus SUV was riding my bumper. Finally when they were able to pass, they honked their horn at me….like I was the bad guy. So, totally oblivious.

VApeople
12-02-2023, 11:17 AM
The other week I was driving down Meggison (by Franklin Rec) where the speed limit is 35.

Actually, the speed limit is 30 mph along that area of Meggison. You were speeding.

Where Meggison is a 4-lane road, like Morse and Buena Vista, the speed limit is 35 mph. When it becomes a 2-lane road after Sawgrass, the speed limit decreases to 30 mph, just like it is on Moyer and Pinellas.

VApeople
12-02-2023, 11:19 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if doctors/dentists/etc. kept their side of the bargain!

I always arrive at such appointments at least ten minutes early (to complete any paperwork etc.) but am usually kept waiting at least twenty minutes after my appointment time.

That does not happen at Palm Ridge Dental. They see my wife and I soon after we get there.

Ecuadog
12-02-2023, 11:36 AM
...

The other week I was driving down Meggison (by Franklin Rec) where the speed limit is 35. A white Lexus SUV was riding my bumper. Finally when they were able to pass, they honked their horn at me….like I was the bad guy. So, totally oblivious.

"Keep honking. I'm reloading."

fdpaq0580
12-02-2023, 11:42 AM
"keep honking. I'm reloading."

lol!

Bay Kid
12-02-2023, 12:24 PM
Enjoy the ride and the beauty.

patfla06
12-02-2023, 01:35 PM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

Why are so many so over scheduled in their retirement?
Maybe you should do a little less and take time to relax.

Bill14564
12-02-2023, 02:17 PM
Why are so many so over scheduled in their retirement?
Maybe you should do a little less and take time to relax.

Only so much time left. Don’t want to spend it waiting around

LuvNH
12-02-2023, 02:50 PM
That does not happen at Palm Ridge Dental. They see my wife and I soon after we get there.

Palm Ridge Dental is excellent both in their work and their timing. Great clinic.

Dr. George at Hearts of the Villages is a great cardiologist, but I have been their twice when he was called out to the hospital on an emergency. Dr. Rivers is a very good doctor, not so his timing with appointments, way over appointment time.

tophcfa
12-02-2023, 02:51 PM
The reason I love the Village’s so much is because there are way more fun things I want to do every day than the day is long. It’s truly a first world problem. I have come to accept the fact that I have gotten old and my remaining time to enjoy all those things is limited. When the unavoidable day finally comes when I can no longer do the activities that make me happy, I don’t want to have any regrets that I didn’t squeeze in as much fun as possible. I always carefully calibrate and allocate an appropriate amount of time to get to the next activity on time, assuming nobody slows me down traveling in one of our golf carts governed to not exceed the speed limit. If somebody prevents me from getting to my destination on time, knowing I am not exceeding any speed limits, I am going to do whatever is safely necessary to get in front of them. It’s not me being rude, it’s on them for disrespecting and wasting my time.

Two Bills
12-02-2023, 04:58 PM
Why would anyone want a doctor or dentist whose diagnosis or treatment is based on the clock.
I want someone who will not kick me out the door when my time is up.
Who cares if the patient in front of me needs a few more minutes for a full examination or reassurance.
I may need those few extra minutes one day.

ThirdOfFive
12-02-2023, 05:22 PM
Why would anyone want a doctor or dentist whose diagnosis or treatment is based on the clock.
I want someone who will not kick me out the door when my time is up.
Who cares if the patient in front of me needs a few more minutes for a full examination or reassurance.
I may need those few extra minutes one day.
Interesting take, and not a bad one.

The other side of that particular coin though is the doctors and dentists who routinely overbook appointments to compensate for anticipated no-shows. I don't know if it happens here but back in Minnesota it was a relatively common practice. When the no-shows DO show, it causes backups, sometimes of an hour or more. quite annoying.

ThirdOfFive
12-02-2023, 05:24 PM
When I drive, I do not care what you want me to do. I'm going to drive how I want to and you have to learn how to deal with me.

I have had discussions about driving techniques with others on TOTV. When I describe how I drive, some of them get very upset with me, but it does not matter. I truly enjoy driving and I get to where I am going, so I am not going to change.
Honesty! Impressive.

I understand judges respect honesty.

shut the front door
12-02-2023, 07:08 PM
Here's an idea. Mind your own business! If nobody caused you damage or harm, go about your business and don't come whine about it on a message board. Nobody cares about your "but they could have...." bs.

dhdallas
12-02-2023, 10:49 PM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

It is definitely NOT the environment of TV. In your case, just because you are a poor planner, chronically late, and enroll in activities too close together, you think its OK for you to break the law, speed, and drive recklessly? See how that excuse works for the officer that pulls you over (hopefully before you cause a crash & injure someone). That type of reasoning is a perfect example of the selfish, entitled TV resident who puts their personal desires first and jeopardizes all other's safety on the paths or highway.

Fastskiguy
12-03-2023, 04:48 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

Ah so maybe you’re suggesting it’s the environment that turns golf car drivers into entitled ******** vs something more inherent in the residents. Hadn’t considered that…..FOMO is certainly a thing. Maybe?

Joe

westernrider75
12-03-2023, 05:42 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

But you seem to forget that a lot of us still work at least part time, so not everyone is retired. Some of us have to be places on time and getting behind somebody going 16 or 17 mph may make us late. Nothing wrong with a safe pass in a safe area.

sdeikenberry
12-03-2023, 06:18 AM
IMO many suffer from fear of missing out. They over book their activities then rush to the next and next because they don't want to be left out.

We have friends who suffer from this syndrome...there's an acronym for it...FOMO...Fear of Missing Out. They frequently schedule events back to back and then call to say they'll be a few minutes late because their other event ran long. Wife and I just laugh about it sometimes.

huge-pigeons
12-03-2023, 06:43 AM
The drivers of the villages are terrible drivers as a whole. 1/2 of them don’t know how to use the roundabouts, people that don’t go the speed limit are always in the left lane, and these same drivers are not courteous.
These slow people should not be driving in the left lane just like if you are on the freeways. Move over, but this doesn’t happen. So now you have 2 slow people blocking access with nobody in front of them. Same goes for the golf carts, if you can’t go as fast as someone behind you, why don’t you let them pass.
Just because you don’t have anywhere to go or anything to do that requires a timeline, don’t make it difficult for people that do.

Cindysum90
12-03-2023, 06:45 AM
Plan your time so you don’t have to rush!

Is there anything that can be done about these “e-bikes” that don’t even need to be pedaled? Was passed by a guy going at least 35 yesterday. Weaving in and out of carts like the motorcycles on the expressway. Didn’t pedal one time. It was extremely dangerous!

Cindysum90
12-03-2023, 06:48 AM
The drivers of the villages are terrible drivers as a whole. 1/2 of them don’t know how to use the roundabouts, people that don’t go the speed limit are always in the left lane, and these same drivers are not courteous.
These slow people should not be driving in the left lane just like if you are on the freeways. Move over, but this doesn’t happen. So now you have 2 slow people blocking access with nobody in front of them. Same goes for the golf carts, if you can’t go as fast as someone behind you, why don’t you let them pass.
Just because you don’t have anywhere to go or anything to do that requires a timeline, don’t make it difficult for people that do.
I agree with you on the lack of courtesy and ability amongst TV drivers. But if I’m going the speed limit, I’m not pulling over to let someone pass.

defrey12
12-03-2023, 06:58 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

No need to rush. LEAVE EARLIER. Pretty simple. It’s not TV, it’s YOU. It’s called personal responsibility.

defrey12
12-03-2023, 07:10 AM
When I drive, I do not care what you want me to do. I'm going to drive how I want to and you have to learn how to deal with me.

I have had discussions about driving techniques with others on TOTV. When I describe how I drive, some of them get very upset with me, but it does not matter. I truly enjoy driving and I get to where I am going, so I am not going to change.

THAT IS THE MOST SELFISH SENTENCE I HAVE EVER READ. You should be reported to the DMV as an unsafe driver and have your license suspended! People who don’t think the rules apply to them are DANGEROUS! I was a professional driver for 35 years, so I KNOW what’s what. I hope I NEVER encounter you!

TeresaE
12-03-2023, 07:12 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

I heard Asa Hutchinson, former Governor of Arkansas, speak at a conference. He told a story about his father. They lived very close to where his father worked, but his father would add 20minutes to his commute time. Why? Because that’s how long it took him to change a tire. If he ever got a flat he’d still be on time.

Rzepecki
12-03-2023, 07:12 AM
Why would anyone want a doctor or dentist whose diagnosis or treatment is based on the clock.
I want someone who will not kick me out the door when my time is up.
Who cares if the patient in front of me needs a few more minutes for a full examination or reassurance.
I may need those few extra minutes one day.

Exactly! Sometimes we wait a little bit for Dr. Rivers, sometimes he’s early. However, he ALWAYS spends enough with us when it’s our turn. That is much more important than waiting a few minutes.

TeresaE
12-03-2023, 07:21 AM
The reason I love the Village’s so much is because there are way more fun things I want to do every day than the day is long. It’s truly a first world problem. I have come to accept the fact that I have gotten old and my remaining time to enjoy all those things is limited. When the unavoidable day finally comes when I can no longer do the activities that make me happy, I don’t want to have any regrets that I didn’t squeeze in as much fun as possible. I always carefully calibrate and allocate an appropriate amount of time to get to the next activity on time, assuming nobody slows me down traveling in one of our golf carts governed to not exceed the speed limit. If somebody prevents me from getting to my destination on time, knowing I am not exceeding any speed limits, I am going to do whatever is safely necessary to get in front of them. It’s not me being rude, it’s on them for disrespecting and wasting my time.

The key to happiness is not what we can do for ourselves, but what we can do for others.

defrey12
12-03-2023, 07:22 AM
I agree with you on the lack of courtesy and ability amongst TV drivers. But if I’m going the speed limit, I’m not pulling over to let someone pass.

The left lane is for passing…move over. Do the speed limit in the RIGHT lane. It’s in the Motor Vehicle Handbook provided by the DMV when you got your license. Perhaps you should go back and review. This is particularly important on the interstate(s). It could save your life.

Randall55
12-03-2023, 07:48 AM
The left lane is for passing…move over. Do the speed limit in the RIGHT lane. It’s in the Motor Vehicle Handbook provided by the DMV when you got your license. Perhaps you should go back and review. This is particularly important on the interstate(s). It could save your life.The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage.

Jameson
12-03-2023, 07:57 AM
If I'm already going about 40-42 mph down Morse or Buena Vista, keeping pace with most left lane traffic, passing cars that are going 30-35 (within the limit) but then guy behind me wants to go 50 or 60, they can go around.

LonnyP
12-03-2023, 08:05 AM
Have you driven your car on Morse Blvd lately? You can set your cruise at 5 over and people blow by you. Apparently people have some where to be and you need to get out of their way.

TheWarriors
12-03-2023, 08:09 AM
It is won’t be long until the Police are forced to patrol the MMPs. Too much variation in speeds resulting in too many accidents/close calls. It is plain to see just based on the comments on this thread. It is not the issue of someone going 21 mph and another doing 17. Way too many people exceeding 25 mph routinely and upset when slowed down. I’ve clocked carts doing 30 mph on some straightaways, the situation has become the Wild West and begs for law enforcement. And please don’t say it can’t be done, anything is possible.

Mrfriendly
12-03-2023, 08:09 AM
“I must learn to control my vociferous behavior”. Written 500 times in 7th grade by yours truly. Uggh

talonip
12-03-2023, 08:24 AM
Most of these drivers have had their foot on pedal doing 15 to 20 over the speed limit all their driving lives. They have settled into this lifestyle. That next translates into their cart driving lifestyle.

ThirdOfFive
12-03-2023, 08:27 AM
I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

Bill14564
12-03-2023, 08:28 AM
The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage.

There is no left turn going north on Buena Vista at Hillsborough or Stillwater. There are a few more with no left turn when going south. When a left turn lane is needed, such as at 44, 466A, 466, etc, one is added.

It is foolish to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.

Stay to the left except to pass or to actually make a left turn. It is simple to understand, it is easy to do, it is considerate, and it ought to be the law.

Randall55
12-03-2023, 08:44 AM
There is no left turn going north on Buena Vista at Hillsborough or Stillwater. There are a few more with no left turn when going south. When a left turn lane is needed, such as at 44, 466A, 466, etc, one is added.

It is ridiculous to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.

Stay to the left except to pass or to actually make a left turn. It is simple to understand, it is easy to do, it is considerate, and it ought to be the law.Ridiculous for you to believe an older person needs a mile of roadway to prepare for a left exit. Tell that to the 80 and 90-year-olds who have reduced eyesight and hearing, slower reaction time, distorted thinking, and are jittery around speeders. I find it much easier to leave my home early and to expect the unexpected. I do not honk my horn because I know this will frighten them and they will drive even slower. Sometimes, it is wise to accept things we can not change. As long as we all arrive safely, who cares if it takes an extra few minutes?

edtherock
12-03-2023, 09:10 AM
Let’s not forget. There are a lot of workers driving in and through the villages to get to their job which probably in many cases require them to be there at a very specific time so they get a paycheck! I see plenty of young people driving fast up and down buena vista and I suspect this is one reason why such high speeds at least on the roads.

srswans
12-03-2023, 09:28 AM
Yes - excellent hypothesis - I agree.

I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

srswans
12-03-2023, 09:38 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, …
Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

I normally drive with my foot to the floor because throttle controller on my cart doesn’t work well at mid position. It hunts, making it difficult to hold a steady speed like 15. I’ve talked to others, who have found the same - particularly with lithium carts.

Better throttle controllers may help.

MX rider
12-03-2023, 09:39 AM
Yes - excellent hypothesis - I agree.

I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

I think you're spot on.
We come from somewhat rural southern Indiana and drivers there are totally different than the large metro areas. Even Indianapolis isn't bad for a large city. I will always let someone in a line of traffic, and hope they do the same some day. We're retired, so we're not in a hurry. It's a lot safer to leave a little early for your trip and take your time.

As someone else said, some of the speeders are not villagers.

Jhrath7@gmail.com
12-03-2023, 09:43 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?
Maybe people are scheduling things too close together. I have seen golf carts going 40 mph on the streets

DonH57
12-03-2023, 10:02 AM
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

The reason as I see it. In my opinion it's due to poor time management. Inability to leave the house in a timely manner to get to that tee time, appointment, or wherever. Another reason may be dur to overscheduling the day time hours. I can't count how many times I 've heard golfers ask the starter, " How fast does the group ahead of us play? I have a doctor's appointment in 90 minutes". Yes. I have heard that among other things from villagers. I'm really curious how many of these people will have a massive coronary due to living by a clock as if they had to be at work.

DonH57
12-03-2023, 10:03 AM
The Villages isn’t the problem, it lack of ability to plan ahead. Ya know I no longer get paid to be there so, I will arrive when I so choose.

Thank goodness the chosen ones are few and far between

Exactly !:ho:

GoRedSox!
12-03-2023, 10:12 AM
“Anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac”

~ George Carlin

broiler
12-03-2023, 10:58 AM
If someone chooses to speed, that is their choice. I'm too busy with my daily cares to worry about how fast another cart goes. If they come up quickly behind me, I pull over to the side and allow them to pass. Courtesy often gets me a friendly wave. Everyone is happy and we can all go on with our days. Peace and love....easy peazy.

Professor
12-03-2023, 11:17 AM
Just leave earlier and then you won't need to rush...seems simple enough. I still work full-time so I don't have all day either...but I plan for appointments and allow enough time to get there.

VApeople
12-03-2023, 11:19 AM
It is foolish to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.


I am an old codger. When I need to turn left on Morse or BV, I get in the left lane about a mile before the upcoming roundabout.

Of course, as I pull into the left lane I accelerate so that am driving at the absolute utmost allowable speed permitted by law.

DonH57
12-03-2023, 11:27 AM
It is won’t be long until the Police are forced to patrol the MMPs. Too much variation in speeds resulting in too many accidents/close calls. It is plain to see just based on the comments on this thread. It is not the issue of someone going 21 mph and another doing 17. Way too many people exceeding 25 mph routinely and upset when slowed down. I’ve clocked carts doing 30 mph on some straightaways, the situation has become the Wild West and begs for law enforcement. And please don’t say it can’t be done, anything is possible.

Since they are private property I believe that cooperation between law enforcement and the districts has to be worked out. In my opinion local law enforcement don't have the resources to enforce the streets as it is.

Ecuadog
12-03-2023, 11:44 AM
“Anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac”

~ George Carlin

Bingo.

fdpaq0580
12-03-2023, 12:02 PM
Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

Maybe what is needed is more Respect for the law.
Maybe what is needed is more self-respect (honesty). One knows when they are cheating (speeding is one aspect of cheating, dishonesty).

fdpaq0580
12-03-2023, 12:07 PM
“Anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac”

~ George Carlin

I miss George. He was one of the best observers of human beings, ever.

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 12:39 PM
I agree with you on the lack of courtesy and ability amongst TV drivers. But if I’m going the speed limit, I’m not pulling over to let someone pass.

Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" for the 10 seconds it would take for them to pass you? You don't have to "pull over" and they can safely pass...

I've had people ahead of me (who are dawdling along, at 15-19 mph) do it, countless times. I wave and say "Thanks!" as I pass...

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 12:40 PM
The drivers of the villages are terrible drivers as a whole. 1/2 of them don’t know how to use the roundabouts, people that don’t go the speed limit are always in the left lane, and these same drivers are not courteous.
These slow people should not be driving in the left lane just like if you are on the freeways. Move over, but this doesn’t happen. So now you have 2 slow people blocking access with nobody in front of them. Same goes for the golf carts, if you can’t go as fast as someone behind you, why don’t you let them pass.
Just because you don’t have anywhere to go or anything to do that requires a timeline, don’t make it difficult for people that do.

But your driving is perfect?

It's always "the other guy"... ;)

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 12:43 PM
THAT IS THE MOST SELFISH SENTENCE I HAVE EVER READ. You should be reported to the DMV as an unsafe driver and have your license suspended! People who don’t think the rules apply to them are DANGEROUS! I was a professional driver for 35 years, so I KNOW what’s what. I hope I NEVER encounter you!

You certainly ASSume a lot in your post... Nowhere in their post did they state (nor imply) they did anything "unsafe"...

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JMintzer
12-03-2023, 12:57 PM
Ridiculous for you to believe an older person needs a mile of roadway to prepare for a left exit. Tell that to the 80 and 90-year-olds who have reduced eyesight and hearing, slower reaction time, distorted thinking, and are jittery around speeders. I find it much easier to leave my home early and to expect the unexpected. I do not honk my horn because I know this will frighten them and they will drive even slower. Sometimes, it is wise to accept things we can not change. As long as we all arrive safely, who cares if it takes an extra few minutes?

Exactly. Then why complain about some people going a few miles over the speed limit in their golf carts?

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 01:00 PM
Maybe people are scheduling things too close together. I have seen golf carts going 40 mph on the streets

They're up to 40 now? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 01:01 PM
“anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac”

~ george carlin

yes!

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 01:04 PM
If someone chooses to speed, that is their choice. I'm too busy with my daily cares to worry about how fast another cart goes. If they come up quickly behind me, I pull over to the side and allow them to pass. Courtesy often gets me a friendly wave. Everyone is happy and we can all go on with our days. Peace and love....easy peazy.

Heck, you don't even have to pull over...

Just wait till you're on a safe straight-away, wave them by and ease off the accelerator for a few seconds, as they pass.

They'll pass you safely, in a few seconds, and you'll still get that "friendly wave"...

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 01:06 PM
Maybe what is needed is more Respect for the law.
Maybe what is needed is more self-respect (honesty). One knows when they are cheating (speeding is one aspect of cheating, dishonesty).

Spoken by someone who "never" exceeds the posted speed limits, I'm sure...

TeresaE
12-03-2023, 01:21 PM
The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage.

Florida Left Lane Law Specifics

​According to Florida Statute 316.081, drivers are to drive on the right side of roadways except when passing another vehicle or avoiding an obstruction. Otherwise, no drivers are allowed to continuously drive in the left lane.

​Driving Under the Speed Limit

It is Florida law that if you are driving slower than the speed limit, you have to stay as close as possible to the right-hand curb except when passing another vehicle or preparing for a left turn.

Driving Slower Than Other Left Lane Drivers

It is Florida law that if you are driving in the left lane while vehicles behind you are approaching at a faster speed, you must change to a right-hand lane. This does not apply to drivers who are preparing for a left turn.

defrey12
12-03-2023, 01:40 PM
You certainly ASSume a lot in your post... Nowhere in their post did they state (nor imply) they did anything "unsafe"...

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In the sentence where s/he states he drives how s/he “wants” infers a dangerous scofflaw with disregard for the rules of the road…and a disregard for others. After 4,000,000 miles driven, and having seen people like this in no less than 48 out of 50 states, I think I’m uniquely qualified to comment. I also have a command of the English language. So, yes, I know an inference…

defrey12
12-03-2023, 01:49 PM
Florida Left Lane Law Specifics

​According to Florida Statute 316.081, drivers are to drive on the right side of roadways except when passing another vehicle or avoiding an obstruction. Otherwise, no drivers are allowed to continuously drive in the left lane.

​Driving Under the Speed Limit

It is Florida law that if you are driving slower than the speed limit, you have to stay as close as possible to the right-hand curb except when passing another vehicle or preparing for a left turn.

Driving Slower Than Other Left Lane Drivers

It is Florida law that if you are driving in the left lane while vehicles behind you are approaching at a faster speed, you must change to a right-hand lane. This does not apply to drivers who are preparing for a left turn.

Way to go…when all else fails, use logic AND quote the law. I want see them argue with that. From what I’ve read earlier in this string, someone probably will.

Cindysum90
12-03-2023, 04:16 PM
The left lane is for passing…move over. Do the speed limit in front the RIGHT lane. It’s in the Motor Vehicle Handbook provided by the DMV when you got your license. Perhaps you should go back and review. This is particularly important on the interstate(s). It could save your life.
I was talking about in a golf cart. I’m not pulling off the path for a speed demon

defrey12
12-03-2023, 04:50 PM
I was talking about in a golf cart. I’m not pulling off the path for a speed demon

You didn’t make that clear. You’re right! I don’t either. Twenty mph in a golf cart is fast enough.

JMintzer
12-03-2023, 06:39 PM
In the sentence where s/he states he drives how s/he “wants” infers a dangerous scofflaw with disregard for the rules of the road…and a disregard for others. After 4,000,000 miles driven, and having seen people like this in no less than 48 out of 50 states, I think I’m uniquely qualified to comment. I also have a command of the English language. So, yes, I know an inference…

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

ShaSha
12-03-2023, 07:28 PM
Hey ALL of you out there…
Leave earlier. Respect the speed limits. Better to be late and miss something than to be DOA!

Bill14564
12-03-2023, 07:36 PM
They're up to 40 now? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I bet we see a claim of 55 sometime next year.

Bill14564
12-03-2023, 07:44 PM
Oh, and btw, they "inferred" nothing. YOU inferred something (with zero evidence).

You may think they "implied" something, but your "command of the English language" failed you...

I have to agree that they implied their driving habits are unconventional and likely dangerous. It is easy to say, “I obey the law.” It is equally easy to say, “I drive courteously.” They said neither.

They wrote that many argue with them about their driving style but they just don’t care and others can learn to deal with it. While not a clear statement that they have dangerous habits, the implication is there. It is hard to imagine an unconventional style that others disagree with that is not a hazard.

RUCdaze
12-03-2023, 08:25 PM
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the speed limits are a tad bit unreasonable?

VApeople
12-03-2023, 11:21 PM
It is hard to imagine an unconventional style that others disagree with that is not a hazard.

That's because you have a very limited imagination.

Actually, one person criticized my driving because I often refuse to turn right on red.

MorTech
12-03-2023, 11:36 PM
Villagers rush around even when they have no place to go. A lot of them come from big cities where speeding is a status symbol.

Randall55
12-04-2023, 02:51 AM
Florida Left Lane Law Specifics

​According to Florida Statute 316.081, drivers are to drive on the right side of roadways except when passing another vehicle or avoiding an obstruction. Otherwise, no drivers are allowed to continuously drive in the left lane.

​Driving Under the Speed Limit

It is Florida law that if you are driving slower than the speed limit, you have to stay as close as possible to the right-hand curb except when passing another vehicle or preparing for a left turn.

Driving Slower Than Other Left Lane Drivers

It is Florida law that if you are driving in the left lane while vehicles behind you are approaching at a faster speed, you must change to a right-hand lane. This does not apply to drivers who are preparing for a left turn.All true. ON HIGHWAYS. My nephew doesn't believe me, either. He has been pulled over for careless driving in cities and towns throughout Florida, 5 times. (Over a span of years) Each time, he uses his misguided beliefs that the left lane is supposed to be used for passing as his defense. Each time, a judge explains the rules of driving in towns. Honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles will cost you $350 each time caught. He was forced to pay the fine, each time. Again, there are left turns at most intersections. You must allow a driver(s) to prepare and make his left turn.This is not rocket science!

Of course, those who drive well under the speed limit will be ticketed. I have not experienced much of this in the Villages. Instead, I see many drivers exceeding the speed limits on a daily basis.

mike234
12-04-2023, 06:55 AM
I agree with #14
I agree with this guy...why I am in a hurry is quite frankly my business, not yours. I wish people would stop telling me how to go around a rotary, and how to drive period. I was taught to MYOB and thats what I do....I wish you would do also, but that is not going to happen.....

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 07:05 AM
All true. ON HIGHWAYS. My nephew doesn't believe me, either. He has been pulled over for careless driving in cities and towns throughout Florida, 5 times. (Over a span of years) Each time, he uses his misguided beliefs that the left lane is supposed to be used for passing as his defense. Each time, a judge explains the rules of driving in towns. Honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles will cost you $350 each time caught. He was forced to pay the fine, each time. Again, there are left turns at most intersections. You must allow a driver(s) to prepare and make his left turn.This is not rocket science!

Of course, those who drive well under the speed limit will be ticketed. I have not experienced much of this in the Villages. Instead, I see many drivers exceeding the speed limits on a daily basis.

On highways????? Is that the law???? Because here is the applicable statute (again):

Florida 316.081:

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Note: ROAD, STREET or highway, not just a highway

More likely than not your relative was convicted of "honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles", because his defense of the left lane being a passing lane was 100% correct under the law. Unfortunately, the "other driver" was not ticketed for failure to move over when a faster vehicle approached from behind, but that does not absolved your nephew of his driving behavior.

PS: The "judge" in some of these one-horse towns may be just that---a horse farmer, and not well versed in the actual law, just what he wants it to be in his town on his little power trip.

defrey12
12-04-2023, 07:09 AM
All true. ON HIGHWAYS. My nephew doesn't believe me, either. He has been pulled over for careless driving in cities and towns throughout Florida, 5 times. (Over a span of years) Each time, he uses his misguided beliefs that the left lane is supposed to be used for passing as his defense. Each time, a judge explains the rules of driving in towns. Honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles will cost you $350 each time caught. He was forced to pay the fine, each time. Again, there are left turns at most intersections. You must allow a driver(s) to prepare and make his left turn.This is not rocket science!

Of course, those who drive well under the speed limit will be ticketed. I have not experienced much of this in the Villages. Instead, I see many drivers exceeding the speed limits on a daily basis.

If you’ll read THE LAW, there is no distinction made as to what roads the law applies. Your nephew was driving erratically and unsafe. Different animals. Left lane “sitting” is illegal on ALL roads in Florida. I was right…some is arguing with the LAW.

defrey12
12-04-2023, 07:12 AM
I agree with #14
I agree with this guy...why I am in a hurry is quite frankly my business, not yours. I wish people would stop telling me how to go around a rotary, and how to drive period. I was taught to MYOB and thats what I do....I wish you would do also, but that is not going to happen.....

Perhaps people will quit telling you how to drive—making suggestions that might actually save yours or someone else’s life—if you learned the rules of the road and learned how to drive. Maybe heed their suggestions. Just a thought.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 07:24 AM
When I drive, I do not care what you want me to do. I'm going to drive how I want to and you have to learn how to deal with me.

I have had discussions about driving techniques with others on TOTV. When I describe how I drive, some of them get very upset with me, but it does not matter. I truly enjoy driving and I get to where I am going, so I am not going to change.

THAT IS THE MOST SELFISH SENTENCE I HAVE EVER READ. You should be reported to the DMV as an unsafe driver and have your license suspended! People who don’t think the rules apply to them are DANGEROUS! I was a professional driver for 35 years, so I KNOW what’s what. I hope I NEVER encounter you!

I am an old codger. When I need to turn left on Morse or BV, I get in the left lane about a mile before the upcoming roundabout.

Of course, as I pull into the left lane I accelerate so that am driving at the absolute utmost allowable speed permitted by law.

In the sentence where s/he states he drives how s/he “wants” infers a dangerous scofflaw with disregard for the rules of the road…and a disregard for others. After 4,000,000 miles driven, and having seen people like this in no less than 48 out of 50 states, I think I’m uniquely qualified to comment. I also have a command of the English language. So, yes, I know an inference…

I have to agree that they implied their driving habits are unconventional and likely dangerous. It is easy to say, “I obey the law.” It is equally easy to say, “I drive courteously.” They said neither.

They wrote that many argue with them about their driving style but they just don’t care and others can learn to deal with it. While not a clear statement that they have dangerous habits, the implication is there. It is hard to imagine an unconventional style that others disagree with that is not a hazard.

That's because you have a very limited imagination.

Actually, one person criticized my driving because I often refuse to turn right on red.

I think, if you've seen that first poster's posts over the years, that he/she is not a reckless driver, more likely he/she drives slower than a constipated hippopotamus, and as such probably gets passed often, and generates a large number of one-fingered salutes as well. That being said, moving into the left lane a mile in advance of a left turn is ridiculous, as is the concept that all other drivers have to "deal with him". If he keeps it up, one day a driver may "deal with him" by running him off the road, or worse. And not turning on red when safe to do so will draw you even more ire from other drivers.

Next rant to follow. Hint: it involves left lane Louies

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 07:42 AM
The drivers of the villages are terrible drivers as a whole. 1/2 of them don’t know how to use the roundabouts, people that don’t go the speed limit are always in the left lane, and these same drivers are not courteous.
These slow people should not be driving in the left lane just like if you are on the freeways. Move over, but this doesn’t happen. So now you have 2 slow people blocking access with nobody in front of them. Same goes for the golf carts, if you can’t go as fast as someone behind you, why don’t you let them pass.
Just because you don’t have anywhere to go or anything to do that requires a timeline, don’t make it difficult for people that do.

I agree with you on the lack of courtesy and ability amongst TV drivers. But if I’m going the speed limit, I’m not pulling over to let someone pass.

The left lane is for passing…move over. Do the speed limit in the RIGHT lane. It’s in the Motor Vehicle Handbook provided by the DMV when you got your license. Perhaps you should go back and review. This is particularly important on the interstate(s). It could save your life.

The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage.

If I'm already going about 40-42 mph down Morse or Buena Vista, keeping pace with most left lane traffic, passing cars that are going 30-35 (within the limit) but then guy behind me wants to go 50 or 60, they can go around.

Ridiculous for you to believe an older person needs a mile of roadway to prepare for a left exit. Tell that to the 80 and 90-year-olds who have reduced eyesight and hearing, slower reaction time, distorted thinking, and are jittery around speeders. I find it much easier to leave my home early and to expect the unexpected. I do not honk my horn because I know this will frighten them and they will drive even slower. Sometimes, it is wise to accept things we can not change. As long as we all arrive safely, who cares if it takes an extra few minutes?

I am an old codger. When I need to turn left on Morse or BV, I get in the left lane about a mile before the upcoming roundabout.

Of course, as I pull into the left lane I accelerate so that am driving at the absolute utmost allowable speed permitted by law.

There is no left turn going north on Buena Vista at Hillsborough or Stillwater. There are a few more with no left turn when going south. When a left turn lane is needed, such as at 44, 466A, 466, etc, one is added.

It is foolish to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.

Stay to the left except to pass or to actually make a left turn. It is simple to understand, it is easy to do, it is considerate, and it ought to be the law.

Actually, IT IS the law:

Florida statute 316.081:

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Furthermore, there is a bill in the legislature right now that would prohibit driving in the left lane except for passing etc. (As the above law is currently written, someone can still just meander along in the left lane UNTIL someone comes from behind at a faster speed, but often the driver that is so weak in his driving skills as to be driving 55 in the left lane of a 70 zone is just as weak at being aware of his surroundings or unwilling to move over.)

And again, the law states "road, street or highway", there is no distinction between 466 and I-75, despite one poster inventing his own law. This also applies to the driver going 40 om Morse who stated "the others can go around". NO! YOU are required to move over if someone behind wants to go faster, that is THE LAW. YOU are not the police. YOU do not get to dictate speed to others on the road. That is NOT your job, YOUR job is to move over. If you want to enforce the law, go graduate from the police academy.

As far as "jittery, poor vision and hearing 80-90 year olds needing a mile to get into the left lane go, time to surrender your license, you are a road hazard.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 07:44 AM
I normally drive with my foot to the floor because throttle controller on my cart doesn’t work well at mid position. It hunts, making it difficult to hold a steady speed like 15. I’ve talked to others, who have found the same - particularly with lithium carts.

Better throttle controllers may help.

You want a better controller so you can hold your speed at 15 mph????? Please don't get ahead of the rest of us.

Bill14564
12-04-2023, 07:53 AM
/// already covered by GE above ///

Dusty_Star
12-04-2023, 07:59 AM
I think, if you've seen that first poster's posts over the years, that he/she is not a reckless driver, more likely he/she drives slower than a constipated hippopotamus,

Constipated hippopotamus, funny! :1rotfl:

gorillarick
12-04-2023, 08:20 AM
Good point !
In my decades of commuting, I noticed the same people flying by and/or tailgating every morning.

Now I really don't understand the rush. Do you know where your next stop in life will be ?

I'm taking time to smell the roses.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 08:22 AM
Good point !
In my decades of commuting, I noticed the same people flying by and/or tailgating every morning.

Now I really don't understand the rush. Do you know where your next stop in life will be ?

I'm taking time to smell the roses.

That's fine.

But if you're driving 12 mph on the MMPs, pull off to "smell the roses" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

gorillarick
12-04-2023, 08:25 AM
Actually, IT IS the law:

Florida statute 316.081:

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Furthermore, there is a bill in the legislature right now that would prohibit driving in the left lane except for passing etc. (As the above law is currently written, someone can still just meander along in the left lane UNTIL someone comes from behind at a faster speed, but often the driver that is so weak in his driving skills as to be driving 55 in the left lane of a 70 zone is just as weak at being aware of his surroundings or unwilling to move over.)

And again, the law states "road, street or highway", there is no distinction between 466 and I-75, despite one poster inventing his own law. This also applies to the driver going 40 om Morse who stated "the others can go around". NO! YOU are required to move over if someone behind wants to go faster, that is THE LAW. YOU are not the police. YOU do not get to dictate speed to others on the road. That is NOT your job, YOUR job is to move over. If you want to enforce the law, go graduate from the police academy.

As far as "jittery, poor vision and hearing 80-90 year olds needing a mile to get into the left lane go, time to surrender your license, you are a road hazard.
The left lane law says "higher rate of speed."
If you also read the rules of passing it says you can pass when safe, but without exceeding the speed limit.

So if I'm doing the speed limit in the left lane, there is no reason for anyone to pass (except emergency vehicles).

MX rider
12-04-2023, 08:26 AM
That's fine.

But if you're driving 12 mph on the MMPs, pull off to "smell the roses" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Lmao!!!

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 08:37 AM
The left lane law says "higher rate of speed."
If you also read the rules of passing it says you can pass when safe, but without exceeding the speed limit.

So if I'm doing the speed limit in the left lane, there is no reason for anyone to pass (except emergency vehicles).

Wrong. The law states you must pull over from the left lane when a vehicle behind is going faster. It does not state they have to be at or below the posted speed limit. Even if you are driving at 100 mph in the left lane and the person behind wants to go 105, you MUST pull over. Do I need to post 316.081 again???

ThirdOfFive
12-04-2023, 08:58 AM
Lots of discussion about speed. However it is not just speed that causes mishaps but speed VARIATION.

This: "Both higher and lower mean speeds have been found to be associated with increased crash frequency, and large speed variation has consistently been found to increase crash" (Speed, Speed Variation and Crash Relationships for Urban Arterials, Science direct dot com). The article goes on to state " This study further confirms that speed variation is observed to have a significant positive effect on crashes, with a 1% increase in speed variation associated with a 0.74% higher crash frequency.". The article wasn't clear of this .74% crash increase was the case for every 1% increase in speed variation, but it seems likely.

Frankly I wasn't quite sure what the numbers were going to say regarding speed variation and accidents, but this is definitely something worth considering. It is apparently something that the authorities know and have known for some time: I've had friends who have received warnings from law enforcement for not keeping up with traffic when they were doing the speed limit but everyone else was going significantly over the speed limit--a pretty solid indication that it isn't so much the speed but the speed VARIATION that is dangerous. Some cowboy madly weaving in and out of traffic is dangerous and statistically will either cause or be involved in accidents at a greater rate than someone going with the flow, but so is somebody plodding along at the minimum speed allowable even in the right lane. Both statistically are deadly, when one considers that variation in speed is a primary cause of accidents.

OK. So... even if you're a couple of minutes late for your tee time, is it really worth the mayhem you might cause by your mad dash to the starter shack? And conversely, if you enjoy tooling along on the MMPs at, say, 12 MPH and someone passes you on a blind corner and a mishap occurs, who is really at fault?

Go with the flow. By far the safest route.

Randall55
12-04-2023, 09:17 AM
The left lane law says "higher rate of speed."
If you also read the rules of passing it says you can pass when safe, but without exceeding the speed limit.

So if I'm doing the speed limit in the left lane, there is no reason for anyone to pass (except emergency vehicles).The person speeding will get the ticket no matter which lane. On a busy street, with bumper to bumper traffic, there is not enough operable room for the majority of traffic to remain to the right. Those who continually weave in and out, will be ticketed. Town, city, and community streets are not open highways where one can zoom by in the left lane as they see fit.

If you do not believe this and speed in the left lane, or weave in and out of traffic, do not be surprised if you receive a $350 ticket for careless driving.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 09:37 AM
The person speeding will get the ticket no matter which lane. On a busy street, with bumper to bumper traffic, there is not enough operable room for the majority of traffic to remain to the right. Those who continually weave in and out, will be ticketed. Town, city, and community streets are not open highways where one can zoom by in the left lane as they see fit.

If you do not believe this and speed in the left lane, or weave in and out of traffic, do not be surprised if you receive a $350 ticket for careless driving.

No argument with any of that. My point was only that the law requires the slower vehicle in the left lane to move over, even if he is speeding himself.

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 09:39 AM
Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" for the 10 seconds it would take for them to pass you? You don't have to "pull over" and they can safely pass...

I've had people ahead of me (who are dawdling along, at 15-19 mph) do it, countless times. I wave and say "Thanks!" as I pass...

"Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" " and travel at a more leisurely pace for a minute or two?

Traveling at 75-95% of maximum speed is hardly "dawdling", imho. More like "cruising" the lovely pathways of our community. Saves fuel, cuts down noise and pollution (if you're driving an IC).

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 09:41 AM
"Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" " and travel at a more leisurely pace for a minute or two?

Traveling at 75-95% of maximum speed is hardly "dawdling", imho. More like "cruising" the lovely pathways of our community. Saves fuel, cuts down noise and pollution (if you're driving an IC).

Going 75% of 20 = 15 mph on a MMP is not "cruising", it is a road hazard. Please don't get ahead of the rest of us.

Randall55
12-04-2023, 09:44 AM
No argument with any of that. My point was only that the law requires the slower vehicle in the left lane to move over, even if he is speeding himself. I understand. Your posts seem to be written for slow drivers who impede movement of traffic. My posts are directed to speeders. In the Villages, I see more speeders than impeders. Your experience may be different.

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 09:51 AM
I understand. Your posts seem to be written for slow drivers who impede movement of traffic. My posts are directed to speeders. In the Villages, I see more speeders than impeders. Your experience may be different.

Same experience as you, I'd bet.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 09:58 AM
I understand. Your posts seem to be written for slow drivers who impede movement of traffic. My posts are directed to speeders. In the Villages, I see more speeders than impeders. Your experience may be different.

In 10 years here, I'd say about 50-50, leaving drivers at the speed limit in the minority :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 09:59 AM
Going 75% of 20 = 15 mph on a MMP is not "cruising", it is a road hazard. Please don't get ahead of the rest of us.

I agree with your math. The question was "would it kill you to ease off the go-pedal a bit so one could pass" if one is going 15 mph, it sounds like the request has already been taken care of. The vehicle going 20 can easily pass, assuming it is safe to do so. No?

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 10:04 AM
I agree with your math. The question was "would it kill you to ease off the go-pedal a bit so one could pass" if one is going 15 mph, it sounds like the request has already been taken care of. The vehicle going 20 can easily pass, assuming it is safe to do so. No?

Yes. And I'm sure they will get passed by 95% of the carts that come up behind them. And it is far better to encounter that than the "nice gentleman" who refuses to turn right on red or languishes in the left lane of I-75 at 55 mph.

MartyW
12-04-2023, 10:08 AM
Folks going too fast? Maybe. I probably do sometimes. But I have to tell you what I saw Saturday night around 9:15. We were in the car and headed down El Camino Reall. Obviously it was dark. I was doing 35 and could see tail lights up ahead that were pulling away. I thought, is that a car on the cart path. So I goosed it up and caught up. I paced a “golf cart” doing 40! My cart is tweeted to 24 (it really only goes 23 down hill) So, in that case, I’m gonna say “too fast”

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 10:18 AM
Folks going too fast? Maybe. I probably do sometimes. But I have to tell you what I saw Saturday night around 9:15. We were in the car and headed down El Camino Reall. Obviously it was dark. I was doing 35 and could see tail lights up ahead that were pulling away. I thought, is that a car on the cart path. So I goosed it up and caught up. I paced a “golf cart” doing 40! My cart is tweeted to 24 (it really only goes 23 down hill) So, in that case, I’m gonna say “too fast”

They're up to 40 now? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I bet we see a claim of 55 sometime next year.

And there you have it.......

Two Bills
12-04-2023, 10:23 AM
Here in UK, the "Save the Planet" experts/cabal, have lowered the speed limit for cars from 30mph to 20mph in most towns and villages.
Good job golf carts are not allowed on roads.
Fancy being overtaken in a Ferrari by one of them speeding past at 25mph!

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 10:38 AM
Here in UK, the "Save the Planet" experts/cabal, have lowered the speed limit for cars from 30mph to 20mph in most towns and villages.
Good job golf carts are not allowed on roads.
Fancy being overtaken in a Ferrari by one of them speeding past at 25mph!

I've been on a few of those roads and forget the "save the planet comments, slower is safer.

Laker14
12-04-2023, 10:47 AM
Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" for the 10 seconds it would take for them to pass you? You don't have to "pull over" and they can safely pass...

I've had people ahead of me (who are dawdling along, at 15-19 mph) do it, countless times. I wave and say "Thanks!" as I pass...

You just classified someone going the maximum speed a non-street legal cart is permitted to achieve (not go, but achieve) as "dawdling".

Bill14564
12-04-2023, 10:49 AM
I've been on a few of those roads and forget the "save the planet comments, slower is safer.

Physics agrees but why stop at 20, why not make it 10mph and be safer still? How many lives is it worth to be able to travel at 20mph rather than 10mph?

Human behavior disagrees; unreasonably slow leads to either "road rage" or ignoring the speed limit entirely. Set the speed at a reasonable number (not the lowest common denominator) and the roads will be safer.

Two Bills
12-04-2023, 11:08 AM
I've been on a few of those roads and forget the "save the planet comments, slower is safer.


If you can't handle 30mph, you should not be driving.
Plus, most ICE cars are making more emissions at 20mph as the engine is not burning off the gasses completely, which nullifies the saving the planet reason/excuse.
Slower is not safer, paying attention to what is in front of you instead of the speedometer is safer!

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 11:10 AM
Physics agrees but why stop at 20, why not make it 10mph and be safer still? How many lives is it worth to be able to travel at 20mph rather than 10mph?

Human behavior disagrees; unreasonably slow leads to either "road rage" or ignoring the speed limit entirely. Set the speed at a reasonable number (not the lowest common denominator) and the roads will be safer.

Seemingly reasonable ssumption. But "road-rage" is an anger issue of one unable to assess and deal rationally with a situation beyond their control. It is less about speed, and more about one's sense of entitlement. "I wanna go! Everyone get out of MY way! " Sounds like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum, doesn't it?

VApeople
12-04-2023, 11:17 AM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

Bill14564
12-04-2023, 11:19 AM
Seemingly reasonable ssumption. But "road-rage" is an anger issue of one unable to assess and deal rationally with a situation beyond their control. It is less about speed, and more about one's sense of entitlement. "I wanna go! Everyone get out of MY way! " Sounds like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum, doesn't it?

Nevertheless, it is reality. Isn't there a story about bees in a jar?

Bill14564
12-04-2023, 11:23 AM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

So says the teenager driving 100mph down the turnpike.... right up until the time the way he drives results in a rear-end collision that kills everyone in both cars.

Fast/slow, right/left, stop/merge - when one decides they know better than the other 90% of the drivers on the road problems occur.

tophcfa
12-04-2023, 11:23 AM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

At least there is one thing everyone can agree on. Nobody ever gets slowed down by someone who is BEHIND them.

DonH57
12-04-2023, 11:24 AM
Nevertheless, it is reality. Isn't there a story about bees in a jar?

I've heard about the one where you have a jar of red ants, and black ants. They're fine till you shake up the jar and then they start attacking each other.

fdpaq0580
12-04-2023, 11:29 AM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

1. I, and perhaps others, have been mildly entertained.

2. Of course no one has changed.

3. Glad to hear you are happy. Any and all problems with the other person. Always!

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 11:58 AM
"Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" " and travel at a more leisurely pace for a minute or two?

Traveling at 75-95% of maximum speed is hardly "dawdling", imho. More like "cruising" the lovely pathways of our community. Saves fuel, cuts down noise and pollution (if you're driving an IC).

Nonsense... It's not "a minute or two"... It can be 20-30 minutes, stuck behind someone who cannot regulate their speed...

When the carts start backing up behind you, here's a tip... "It's You"...

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 12:01 PM
You just classified someone going the maximum speed a non-street legal cart is permitted to achieve (not go, but achieve) as "dawdling".

Then why are the posted speeds 20?

And why did you ignore the "15 mph" part?

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 12:03 PM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

Because YOUR driving is impeccable, and everyone else drives like an idiot... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 12:05 PM
So says the teenager driving 100mph down the turnpike.... right up until the time the way he drives results in a rear-end collision that kills everyone in both cars.

Fast/slow, right/left, stop/merge - when one decides they know better than the other 90% of the drivers on the road problems occur.

Hyperbole much?

Dusty_Star
12-04-2023, 12:07 PM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

Did you read post #96?

It is not about whether you are perfectly happy - it is the law.

Bill14564
12-04-2023, 12:22 PM
Hyperbole much?

I really don't think so.

shut the front door
12-04-2023, 12:42 PM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

But what would this site be without the twice monthly reminder from the crowd that can't mind their own business. I'm pretty sure I was behind the OP the other day when they refused to turn right on yellow. After a minute sitting behind them on red with nobody coming, I gave the blast that lasts. They finally inched into their right on red.

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 12:45 PM
So has all of this discussion helped anyone?

Has anyone changed their driving methods?

Don't look at me. I am perfectly happy with the way I drive.

From what's been posted, I suspect that is a club with a membership of one.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles
12-04-2023, 12:49 PM
Here in UK, the "Save the Planet" experts/cabal, have lowered the speed limit for cars from 30mph to 20mph in most towns and villages.
Good job golf carts are not allowed on roads.
Fancy being overtaken in a Ferrari by one of them speeding past at 25mph!

Seriously???? I can't believe that even the Grand Poobah of climate change village idiots could explain how lowering the speed limit from 30 to 20 "saves the planet"

Two Bills
12-04-2023, 12:59 PM
Seriously???? I can't believe that even the Grand Poobah of climate change village idiots could explain how lowering the speed limit from 30 to 20 "saves the planet"

It doesn't. But the speeding fines are plentiful, and very welcome from the enforcers!

bsloan1960
12-04-2023, 01:05 PM
The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage. No. Left Lane Campers habitually drive in the left lane and do so for miles on end. A great example is 301. Yes there are left turns, but these self absorbed people go for miles without turning, while lines of frustrated drivers form a long parade behind them.

bsloan1960
12-04-2023, 01:11 PM
If I'm already going about 40-42 mph down Morse or Buena Vista, keeping pace with most left lane traffic, passing cars that are going 30-35 (within the limit) but then guy behind me wants to go 50 or 60, they can go around.
No. It isn't All About You. If someone is behind you pull into the right lane. It isn't about judging other drivers and finding them guilty. You are judging each driver based on your sense of Right and Wrong. That isn't a component of driving; it is simple- someone is behind you so Pull Over. All this judgement is the reason for most of the road rage incidents.

bsloan1960
12-04-2023, 01:17 PM
You certainly ASSume a lot in your post... Nowhere in their post did they state (nor imply) they did anything "unsafe"...

https://media3.giphy.com/media/13f5iwTRuiEjjW/giphy.gif That person said they do whatever they want without concern for other drivers. It is implied that they don't follow laws as they drive. Driving safely is a combination of courtesy and following laws. That person bragged that they don't care how their driving affects any other drivers. I think that is a clear admission of violating laws.

bsloan1960
12-04-2023, 01:20 PM
I agree with #14
I agree with this guy...why I am in a hurry is quite frankly my business, not yours. I wish people would stop telling me how to go around a rotary, and how to drive period. I was taught to MYOB and thats what I do....I wish you would do also, but that is not going to happen.....
We tell you how to go around a rotary so you don't plow into our cars when you make a last minute decision.

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 09:12 PM
That person said they do whatever they want without concern for other drivers. It is implied that they don't follow laws as they drive. Driving safely is a combination of courtesy and following laws. That person bragged that they don't care how their driving affects any other drivers. I think that is a clear admission of violating laws.

As already explained, that would be your inference...

JMintzer
12-04-2023, 09:14 PM
We tell you how to go around a rotary so you don't plow into our cars when you make a last minute decision.

What about the "We" who continue to give incorrect information about driving thru roundabouts? Should we listen to them?

Randall55
12-04-2023, 09:33 PM
No. Left Lane Campers habitually drive in the left lane and do so for miles on end. A great example is 301. Yes there are left turns, but these self absorbed people go for miles without turning, while lines of frustrated drivers form a long parade behind them.I travel 301 daily and I see the opposite. A few drivers accelerating to pass as many cars as possible, and weaving in and out of lanes. Aggressive driving will not get the result you desire. Most cars will slow down fearful of being struck.

When 301 is congested, a driver should not expect the road to magically open for him. The left lane is not a "drive as fast as I want" lane. There are posted speed limits. Drivers who ignore the limit are dangerous.

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 09:06 AM
Then why are the posted speeds 20?

And why did you ignore the "15 mph" part?

Why do you ignore the 19 mph part? Trying to spin the darkest picture! That's why.

JMintzer
12-05-2023, 09:18 AM
Why do you ignore the 19 mph part? Trying to spin the darkest picture! That's why.

I purposely posted a range. YOU are the in zeroing in on the tippy top of that range....

And thanks for the mind reading, Carnack...

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 09:32 AM
From what's been posted, I suspect that is a club with a membership of one.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Actually, most people are in that club. Aka the "get out of my way you miserable slowpoke" club. Aka the "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" club. Aka the "laws are for other people" club. Aka the "I'm special. How dare you troglodites not bow to my superiority" club. Aka -----

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 09:34 AM
I purposely posted a range. YOU are the in zeroing in on the tippy top of that range....

And thanks for the mind reading, Carnack...

You are most welcome.

VApeople
12-05-2023, 11:29 AM
From what's been posted, I suspect that is a club with a membership of one.

Yes, one member is very sufficient, as long as that one is me.

When I was a young kid, I used to say, "I like myself and I love myself". I guess I haven't changed much.

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 11:40 AM
Yes, one member is very sufficient, as long as that one is me.

When I was a young kid, I used to say, "I like myself and I love myself". I guess I haven't changed much.

Hey! You go, guy, or girl, or, um, whatever!

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 11:59 AM
Nonsense... It's not "a minute or two"... It can be 20-30 minutes, stuck behind someone who cannot regulate their speed...

When the carts start backing up behind you, here's a tip... "It's You"...

20 to 30 minutes? How far do you think you are going to have to follow that individual? The likely hood of you following the same cart for more than a block or two before you have a chance to get by is probably pretty slim. Most places I use my cart for (other than golf) I could walk to in 20 to 30 minutes.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 12:52 PM
Yes, one member is very sufficient, as long as that one is me.

When I was a young kid, I used to say, "I like myself and I love myself". I guess I haven't changed much.

Wow, just wow! Guess there really hasn't been much change. Please google "Narcissus".

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 12:55 PM
I travel 301 daily and I see the opposite. A few drivers accelerating to pass as many cars as possible, and weaving in and out of lanes. Aggressive driving will not get the result you desire. Most cars will slow down fearful of being struck.

When 301 is congested, a driver should not expect the road to magically open for him. The left lane is not a "drive as fast as I want" lane. There are posted speed limits. Drivers who ignore the limit are dangerous.

They absolutely are. And both law enforcement and insurance company data show that it is the SLOW driver that is far more dangerous than the speeders. Stay in the right lane except to pass.

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 01:54 PM
They absolutely are. And both law enforcement and insurance company data show that it is the SLOW driver that is far more dangerous than the speeders. Stay in the right lane except to pass.I am not going to disagree with your data. One can easily google ANYTHING and find the answer that you desire. My common sense tells me speeding vehicles cause more damage and fatalities in a collision.This is why most drivers slow down when confronted. It is a knee jerk reaction. Every driver understands that it is not going to be pretty if you are the one struck by the speeder.

I am guessing you do not travel 301 on a regular basis. At times, it gets congested with no means for the majority of traffic to stay in the right lane.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 02:21 PM
I am not going to disagree with your data. One can easily google ANYTHING and find the answer that you desire. My common sense tells me speeding vehicles cause more damage and fatalities in a collision This is why most people slow down around them. It is a knee jerk reaction. Every driver understands that it is not going to be pretty if you are the one struck by the speeder.

I am guessing you do not travel 301 on a regular basis. At times, it gets congested with no means for the majority of traffic to stay in the right lane.

Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross Bronx

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 02:42 PM
Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross BronxI doubt I am trumped. I can easily google what I have stated and find data to support it. I do not have to! My common sense knows a speeding vehicle causes more damage and fatalaties. Want to put it to a test? Let me hit your car from behind at 35 mph. Then let me hit you going 65 mph. Will you still believe the slower causes more damage?

What about your reaction time when you see the vehicles approaching? Will you have more time to get out of the way of a 35 mph vehicle or a 65 mph vehicle? Will you freeze in fear?

Drivers freeze when they see a speeding car approaching them. They instantly slow down. It is a knee jerk reaction.

So what if a car or cart is driving slow in the left lane? When you approach, you can pass them on the right. If that is impossible because of other traffic, what makes you believe the driver in the left lane can do the impossible?

fdpaq0580
12-05-2023, 02:46 PM
Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross Bronx

Data? What data? You have mentioned such data before but, to the best of my knowledge (having likely not seen every post you have made) have never posted the actual data. So, as far as I, or others know your "trump" is just hear say. One thing we do know is "speed kills!"

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 04:30 PM
Data? What data? You have mentioned such data before but, to the best of my knowledge (having likely not seen every post you have made) have never posted the actual data. So, as far as I, or others know your "trump" is just hear say. One thing we do know is "speed kills!"GE's data is correct. Slow drivers DO CAUSE more accidents. I was trying to explain why a driver in the left lane may slow down. Moving at the speed limit, they notice a speeding car approaching from behind. They instantly take their foot off the gas. It is a knee jerk reaction that stems from a fear of being struck.

I have lived here for 23 yrs and I have not seen many vehicles travelling significantly lower than the speed limit for an extended period of time. Instead, I often see a driver continuing to keep speed even when approaching another vehicle. The driver in front immediately slows down. The speeder gets angry. He honks his horn, flips a finger, or yells. In my opinion, the speeder is at fault. He has made an assumption that the driver ahead of him has no reason to be there. And now, has slowed down to tick him off.

In fact, the slow driver in the left lane most likely has reason. He has just entered onto the road and is trying to get into the right lane, he is lost, he is making the next left turn, he accelerated to pass vehicles on the right and is now waiting to get back into the right lane, or he is experiencing car problems. The speeder does not recognize this. His only concern is himself.This aggressive driving is the reason the driver in front of him SLOWS DOWN.

BTW: The data does not specifically state slow drivers have more accidents. It states the slow driver causes other drivers periods of braking and speeding up.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 04:43 PM
GE's data is correct. Slow drivers DO CAUSE more accidents. I was trying to explain why a driver may slow down. If they are moving at the speed limit and see a speeding car approaching from behind, they instantly take their foot off the gas. It is a knee jerk reaction that stems from a fear of being struck.

I have lived here for 23 yrs and I have not seen vehicles travelling significantly lower than the speed limit for an extended period of time. Instead, I often see a driver continuing to speed even when approaching another vehicle from behind. The driver in front immediately slows down in fear of being struck.

I totally agree with you that higher speeds in an accident cause more damage and possibly fatalities, especially the difference in speed, which makes the slow driver just as contributory as the speeder. I’m not sure how many drivers see a “speeder” and slow down out of “fear”, I certainly don’t, but I suppose those with inferior driving skills are more likely to do so

Bill14564
12-05-2023, 04:52 PM
I totally agree with you that higher speeds in an accident cause more damage and possibly fatalities, especially the difference in speed, which makes the slow driver just as contributory as the speeder. I’m not sure how many drivers see a “speeder” and slow down out of “fear”, I certainly don’t, but I suppose those with inferior driving skills are more likely to do so

I've always wondered about the thought process that says, "Hey, there's a guy behind me that is going faster than me and would like me to get out of the way. I know what I'll do instead, I'll drive even slower, that will make things better."

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 05:06 PM
I've always wondered about the thought process that says, "Hey, there's a guy behind me that is going faster than me and would like me to get out of the way. I know what I'll do instead, I'll drive even slower, that will make things better."

Exactly. Makes no sense, best to get out of his way. And the drivers that intentionally go slower just p.o. them more

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 05:23 PM
Exactly. Makes no sense, best to get out of his way. And the drivers that intentionally go slower just p.o. them more
The world does not have to open up to your desires. There are REASONS another vehicle may be travelling in the left lane. It is a terrible assumption that they are doing so to tick you off.

I do not accelerate to get out of the way of a speeder or to keep his pace. What sense does that make? The speeder can pass on the right. This allows the so-called SLOW driver to make his planned left turn. INSTEAD OF MISSING HIS TURN BECAUSE OF AN AGRESSIVE DRIVER.

The speeder can't pass on the right due to traffic? Then please explain how the driver in front of him can move to the right lane.

If a police officer sees this happening, I guarantee you the speeder will be ticketed. Good luck explaining the slow driver in the left lane should not have been there.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 05:53 PM
The world does not have to open up to your desires. There are REASONS another vehicle may be travelling in the left lane. It is a terrible assumption that they are doing so to tick you off.

I do not accelerate to get out of the way of a speeder or to keep his pace. What sense does that make? The speeder can pass on the right. This allows the so-called SLOW driver to make his planned left turn. INSTEAD OF MISSING HIS TURN BECAUSE OF AN AGRESSIVE DRIVER.

The speeder can't pass on the right due to traffic? Then please explain how the driver in front of him can move to the right lane.

If a police officer sees this happening, I guarantee you the speeder will be ticketed. Good luck explaining the slow driver in the left lane should not have been there.

First of all, I never stated that slow drivers hang out in the left lane to “tick me off”. I stated that drivers who intentionally slow down to “tick off” those who want to go faster will succeed. As far as not moving over goes, THE LAW requires you to get to the right when approached from behind by a faster vehicle. The faster vehicle IS NOT required to go around YOU, YOU are REQUIRED to move over, whether you like it or not, and yes, YOU can get a ticket if you refuse to do so

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 06:18 PM
First of all, I never stated that slow drivers hang out in the left lane to “tick me off”. I stated that drivers who intentionally slow down to “tick off” those who want to go faster will succeed. As far as not moving over goes, THE LAW requires you to get to the right when approached from behind by a faster vehicle. The faster vehicle IS NOT required to go around YOU, YOU are REQUIRED to move over, whether you like it or not, and yes, YOU can get a ticket if you refuse to do so
Not if you are making a left turn, are waiting to move safely into the right lane after passing, or are experiencing car problems etc. There ARE REASONS a driver may be in the left lane. When you get pulled over for careless driving, good luck explaining all traffic was supposed to move to the right so YOU could travel seamlessly.

A vehicle has to move to the right lane ONLY if it is travelling below the speed limit. This is why it is called the SLOW LANE. The left lane does not allow you to travel at whatever speed you want. You must adhere to the speed limit. I do not know this as a fact, but there is probably a margin of +/- 5 mph. This would mean a cart travelling 15 mph, picking up speed, here and there, is allowed to continue in the left lane. I doubt a police officer will ticket the cart for failure to move to the right lane. Most likely, carts travelling over 20mph will get a ticket.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 07:22 PM
Not if you are making a left turn, are waiting to move safely into the right lane after passing, or are experiencing car problems etc. There ARE REASONS a driver may be in the left lane. When you get pulled over for careless driving, good luck explaining all traffic was supposed to move to the right so YOU could travel seamlessly.

A vehicle has to move to the right lane ONLY if it is travelling below the speed limit. This is why it is called the SLOW LANE. The left lane does not allow you to travel at whatever speed you want. You must adhere to the speed limit. I do not know this as a fact, but there is probably a margin of +/- 5 mph. This would mean a cart travelling 15 mph, picking up speed, here and there, is allowed to continue in the left lane. I doubt a police officer will ticket the cart for failure to move to the right lane. Most likely, carts travelling over 20mph will get a ticket.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Florida LAW states you must move over from the left lane for ANY vehicle traveling faster than you are, REGARDLESS of speed. You could be going 95 mph and you STILL MUST move over for a vehicle that wants to go 100. PERIOD. You see, YOU are NOT the police. YOU DO NOT get to limit the speed of the maniacs who think they are in the Indy 500. YOU might want to (and I want to as well), but neither of us are permitted by law to do so. Our obligation under the law is to move over. Let the police deal with the speeders, it is not our job, nor do we have the authority to do so.

Once again, Florida statute 316.081:
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection. There is no codicil stating you do not have to move over if you are travelling at the speed limit

As far as the exceptions to staying right go, yes, "preparing" to make a left turn is one of them---however, that preparation is not 2 miles in advance. So are the other things you mentioned. Now, that accounts for about 0.1% of the left lane Louies. The rest of them think it's just a nice lane to lollygag around in and draw attention to themselves via horns and fingers.

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 07:30 PM
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Florida LAW states you must move over from the left lane for ANY vehicle traveling faster than you are, REGARDLESS of speed. You could be going 95 mph and you STILL MUST move over for a vehicle that wants to go 100. PERIOD. You see, YOU are NOT the police. YOU DO NOT get to limit the speed of the maniacs who think they are in the Indy 500. YOU might want to (and I want to as well), but neither of us are permitted by law to do so. Our obligation under the law is to move over. Let the police deal with the speeders, it is not our job, nor do we have the authority to do so.

Once again, Florida statute 316.081:
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection. There is no codicil stating you do not have to move over if you are travelling at the speed limit

As far as the exceptions to staying right go, yes, "preparing" to make a left turn is one of them---however, that preparation is not 2 miles in advance. So are the other things you mentioned. Now, that accounts for about 0.1% of the left lane Louies. The rest of them think it's just a nice lane to lollygag around in and draw attention to themselves via horns and fingers.I get it! You believe posted speed limits MEAN NOTHING. Wow! Are you in for a surprise when a police officer catches you on radar. And no, it is not my responsibility to get out of the way of speeders. My responsibility is to travel at or under the speed limit. PERIOD! Please provide the law that states you are allowed to ignore speed limits and do as you please until a police officer stops you.

golfing eagles
12-05-2023, 07:35 PM
I get it! You believe posted speed limits MEAN NOTHING. Wow! Are you in for a surprise when a police officer catches you on radar. And no, it is not my responsibility to get out of the way of speeders. My responsibility is to travel at or under the speed limit. PERIOD!

Keep clinging to that erroneous belief. If you are in the left lane IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of the way of speeders. That's not me talking, that's the STATE OF FLORIDA. And to assume that speed limits mean nothing to me personally, well, when you assume........but in this case it only makes one out of you.

margaretmattson
12-05-2023, 07:46 PM
Keep clinging to that erroneous belief. If you are in the left lane IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of the way of speeders. That's not me talking, that's the STATE OF FLORIDA. And to assume that speed limits mean nothing to me personally, well, when you assume........but in this case it only makes one out of you.I read the law. You are correct. Thank you! We all live and learn. I always travelled in the right lane for what I thought was courtesy, Now, I understand it is the law. Many of my friends are unaware, as well. I will tell them and others who do not know. Thanks again!

Bill14564
12-05-2023, 07:56 PM
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

JMintzer
12-05-2023, 08:34 PM
20 to 30 minutes? How far do you think you are going to have to follow that individual? The likely hood of you following the same cart for more than a block or two before you have a chance to get by is probably pretty slim. Most places I use my cart for (other than golf) I could walk to in 20 to 30 minutes.

Try driving down to Southern Oaks for golf in the morning...It's 20 minutes and yes, you can be stuck behind someone the entire time...

Chances are, if you're driving over the Chitty Chatty bridge early in the morning, you're following a golfer...

golfing eagles
12-06-2023, 08:36 AM
Try driving down to Southern Oaks for golf in the morning...It's 20 minutes and yes, you can be stuck behind someone the entire time...

Chances are, if you're driving over the Chitty Chatty bridge early in the morning, you're following a golfer...

There are actually a few shortcuts that will allow you to get by those clowns.

fdpaq0580
12-06-2023, 08:45 AM
Try driving down to Southern Oaks for golf in the morning...It's 20 minutes and yes, you can be stuck behind someone the entire time...

Chances are, if you're driving over the Chitty Chatty bridge early in the morning, you're following a golfer...

Guess if you want to travel that far, plan to leave a few minutes early. (Just to be on the safe side.)

JMintzer
12-06-2023, 03:19 PM
Guess if you want to travel that far, plan to leave a few minutes early. (Just to be on the safe side.)

Leaving earlier doesn't make the trip any more enjoyable...

The same with the left lane louies on the roads...

Bill14564
12-06-2023, 03:22 PM
Try driving down to Southern Oaks for golf in the morning...It's 20 minutes and yes, you can be stuck behind someone the entire time...

Chances are, if you're driving over the Chitty Chatty bridge early in the morning, you're following a golfer...

Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

JMintzer
12-06-2023, 04:09 PM
Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

You should have left earlier... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bill14564
12-06-2023, 04:29 PM
You should have left earlier... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Too cold to do that!

golfing eagles
12-06-2023, 04:48 PM
Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

Got to love it when someone is dawdling down the path at 13 mph, UNTIL.....you go to pass them and then they're up to 22. Interestingly, Florida law prohibits a vehicle from increasing speed while it is being passed, but I doubt it applies to golf carts on MMPs.

JMintzer
12-06-2023, 05:40 PM
Too cold to do that!

Been there... Still waiting for my (golf) balls to warm back up...

Laker14
12-06-2023, 05:42 PM
Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

on the road or MMP?

Did you clock them? How fast (slow) were they going?

JMintzer
12-06-2023, 05:49 PM
on the road or MMP?

Did you clock them? How fast (slow) were they going?

Most newer carts have a GPS speedometer on the steering column. (My 2017 Yamaha, bought at TV Golf Carts has one). Both of the Villages GPS Apps have a similar feature...

And since he mentioned curves and straightaways, it's fair to assume he was talking about the MMPs, as most of the roads are pretty straight...

Bill14564
12-06-2023, 06:27 PM
on the road or MMP?

Did you clock them? How fast (slow) were they going?

From Everglades to Hillsborough the roads are four lanes so no problem passing.

I didn't "clock" them, I judged the difference between the speed we were traveling and my top speed and then compared that to the distance in a straightaway. Not enough distance to complete a pass safely.

(probably about 20 on the straight, 17 in the corners, and even less approaching intersections)

fdpaq0580
12-06-2023, 09:23 PM
Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

Excruciating? Like in getting a root canal sans novacain? That bad? Really? Let's see, they were going fast enough you couldn't pass and they had sense enough to slow when going through winding areas. So moving at almost your top speed? And you suffered Excruciating pain. You may wish to avoid making that trip if it causes you such agony and torment. Surely you can find enjoyment closer to home and save all the drama and trauma?
Or, are you exaggerating, perhaps, just a little.

Bill14564
12-06-2023, 10:18 PM
Excruciating? Like in getting a root canal sans novacain? That bad? Really? Let's see, they were going fast enough you couldn't pass and they had sense enough to slow when going through winding areas. So moving at almost your top speed? And you suffered Excruciating pain. You may wish to avoid making that trip if it causes you such agony and torment. Surely you can find enjoyment closer to home and save all the drama and trauma?
Or, are you exaggerating, perhaps, just a little.

If you knew me you would have no need to ask that question.

Thank you for that piece of advice. Rest assured I will put it to appropriate use.

Laker14
12-07-2023, 05:12 AM
From Everglades to Hillsborough the roads are four lanes so no problem passing.

I didn't "clock" them, I judged the difference between the speed we were traveling and my top speed and then compared that to the distance in a straightaway. Not enough distance to complete a pass safely.

(probably about 20 on the straight, 17 in the corners, and even less approaching intersections)

I don't travel that way often in a golf cart because I'm in Poinciana, so I'm not very familiar with the route. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm estimating from my map app that the distance is around 7 miles.

At 20mph that would take 21 minutes, assuming you never slowed down for intersections, or curves, or pedestrians, or bicyclists. 21 minutes.

Assuming you got "stuck" behind someone who was going 20 for half that distance, and the other half of that distance was only going 15 mph, for curves, and approaching intersections, that would add a whopping 3.5 minutes to the trip.

And that assumes you never slowed down from 20 (the speed limit) for anything at all and that you followed this cart for the entire trip.

3.5 minutes.

Am I missing something here? This doesn't seem like it should be all that painful.

golfing eagles
12-07-2023, 05:53 AM
I don't travel that way often in a golf cart because I'm in Poinciana, so I'm not very familiar with the route. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm estimating from my map app that the distance is around 7 miles.

At 20mph that would take 21 minutes, assuming you never slowed down for intersections, or curves, or pedestrians, or bicyclists. 21 minutes.

Assuming you got "stuck" behind someone who was going 20 for half that distance, and the other half of that distance was only going 15 mph, for curves, and approaching intersections, that would add a whopping 3.5 minutes to the trip.

And that assumes you never slowed down from 20 (the speed limit) for anything at all and that you followed this cart for the entire trip.

3.5 minutes.

Am I missing something here? This doesn't seem like it should be all that painful.

Consider this: If you get on I-75 to travel 10 miles, at 70 mph that's 8 min 34 sec. If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55, that's 10 min 55 sec, a difference of 2 min, 21 sec. So, what's the big deal? Trust me, that 10 miles is "excruciating".

photo1902
12-07-2023, 06:06 AM
Consider this: If you get on I-75 to travel 10 miles, at 70 mph that's 8 min 34 sec. If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55, that's 10 min 55 sec, a difference of 2 min, 21 sec. So, what's the big deal? Trust me, that 10 miles is "excruciating".

(As a regular user of 75 and the turnpike) “ If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55,” Now that’s funny!

Laker14
12-07-2023, 06:24 AM
Consider this: If you get on I-75 to travel 10 miles, at 70 mph that's 8 min 34 sec. If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55, that's 10 min 55 sec, a difference of 2 min, 21 sec. So, what's the big deal? Trust me, that 10 miles is "excruciating".

Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

golfing eagles
12-07-2023, 07:05 AM
Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

So, here is this:

The "clowns" aren't the ones going 20, nor do they need to pull over for the cart going 23. The clowns are those that are going 12. The biggest clowns are those that go 12 but speed up to 23 when you go to (safely) pass them. Do that in a car and you can be cited under Florida law, but in a cart on the MMP it's simply rude (and dangerous)

Florida statute 316.083 sec 5.

(5) "Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle must give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and must not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle."

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 10:34 AM
Consider this: If you get on I-75 to travel 10 miles, at 70 mph that's 8 min 34 sec. If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55, that's 10 min 55 sec, a difference of 2 min, 21 sec. So, what's the big deal? Trust me, that 10 miles is "excruciating".

I-75 or MMP, what makes it "excruciating" is your mindset. Anxiety of not being first, in the lead, being held back. Relax! Back off and enjoy the ride. You will get there. No need to get upset. Don't let the trivial stress you out. You will enjoy your game more and play better if you are not tense from anger.

Laker14
12-07-2023, 11:02 AM
So, here is this:

The "clowns" aren't the ones going 20, nor do they need to pull over for the cart going 23. The clowns are those that are going 12. The biggest clowns are those that go 12 but speed up to 23 when you go to (safely) pass them. Do that in a car and you can be cited under Florida law, but in a cart on the MMP it's simply rude (and dangerous)

Florida statute 316.083 sec 5.

(5) "Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle must give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and must not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle."

Once again, you've jumped the rails from what we were talking about (someone going 3 mph below the maximum) when approaching curves and intersections, and 20 on the straightaways, (the speed limit), to an exaggeration of what we were talking about.
Personally, I've yet to encounter the mythical creature who has jacked his governor to 3+mph so he can go 13mph, but I suppose he may be out there.

Bill14564
12-07-2023, 11:23 AM
Once again, you've jumped the rails from what we were talking about (someone going 3 mph below the maximum) when approaching curves and intersections, and 20 on the straightaways, (the speed limit), to an exaggeration of what we were talking about.

Actually, there doesn't appear to be any rail jumping at all. You brought up the extra time, GE gave an example using I-75, you mentioned multiple lanes and 23mph, GE answered both.

*IF* we are still discussing my post about slow cart drivers from Everglades to Hillsborough:
- I didn't mention 23mph, mentioned about 20mph (and that was a guess)
- I didn't mention blind corners, I mentioned straightaways, corners, and everywhere else
- There is no speed limit on the MMPs.
- Though speed is effectively limited by the maximum allowable cart speed, the max speed of an LSV (allowed on the paths) is 25mph
- Whether it is two minutes stuck behind a left lane louie or five minutes stuck behind one truck slooowly passing another or three and one half minutes added to an already 25 minute trip it is painful

Please note: I don't believe I ever said the slower cart was doing anything wrong. I simply said it was very painful (excruciating) to have to follow someone for nearly 30 minutes.

Note 2: Not that it really matters, but the same cart that I felt was slow on that 30 minute drive pulled away from me going down Hillsborough. The cart was capable of going faster on the MMP but the driver chose not to. His choice, no question, but just adds a bit of insult to injury.

Laker14
12-07-2023, 11:37 AM
Actually, there doesn't appear to be any rail jumping at all. You brought up the extra time, GE gave an example using I-75, you mentioned multiple lanes and 23mph, GE answered both.

*IF* we are still discussing my post about slow cart drivers from Everglades to Hillsborough:
- I didn't mention 23mph, mentioned about 20mph (and that was a guess)
- I didn't mention blind corners, I mentioned straightaways, corners, and everywhere else
- There is no speed limit on the MMPs.
- Though speed is effectively limited by the maximum allowable cart speed, the max speed of an LSV (allowed on the paths) is 25mph
- Whether it is two minutes stuck behind a left lane louie or five minutes stuck behind one truck slooowly passing another or three and one half minutes added to an already 25 minute trip it is painful

Please note: I don't believe I ever said the slower cart was doing anything wrong. I simply said it was very painful (excruciating) to have to follow someone for nearly 30 minutes.

Note 2: Not that it really matters, but the same cart that I felt was slow on that 30 minute drive pulled away from me going down Hillsborough. The cart was capable of going faster on the MMP but the driver chose not to. His choice, no question, but just adds a bit of insult to injury.

We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

I have also found myself growing impatient with slow traffic. However, sometimes upon reflection, I have to admit that the person in front of me is being quite reasonable, although a bit slower than I would go if I owned the road all to myself, and it's just time for me to take a chill and go with the flow.

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 11:56 AM
Actually, there doesn't appear to be any rail jumping at all. You brought up the extra time, GE gave an example using I-75, you mentioned multiple lanes and 23mph, GE answered both.

*IF* we are still discussing my post about slow cart drivers from Everglades to Hillsborough:
- I didn't mention 23mph, mentioned about 20mph (and that was a guess)
- I didn't mention blind corners, I mentioned straightaways, corners, and everywhere else
- There is no speed limit on the MMPs.
- Though speed is effectively limited by the maximum allowable cart speed, the max speed of an LSV (allowed on the paths) is 25mph
- Whether it is two minutes stuck behind a left lane louie or five minutes stuck behind one truck slooowly passing another or three and one half minutes added to an already 25 minute trip it is painful

Please note: I don't believe I ever said the slower cart was doing anything wrong. I simply said it was very painful (excruciating) to have to follow someone for nearly 30 minutes.

Note 2: Not that it really matters, but the same cart that I felt was slow on that 30 minute drive pulled away from me going down Hillsborough. The cart was capable of going faster on the MMP but the driver chose not to. His choice, no question, but just adds a bit of insult to injury.

Note 2 first. I have a gas cart limited to 20, but going down hills I have noticed I seem to be able to go a little faster. That may be what occurred going "down Hillsborough ".
Next is the expression of what is meerly frustration as "painful" or "excruciating". Pain is a physical manifestation of a physical condition. What you experienced is frustration, which is your emotions being unable to deal with a situation beyond your control and making you unhappy. Rather than throw a tantrum, like a spoiled child being told "no", change your mindset and accept that you have the right to enjoy the ride or hate the ride. Happy or mad is up to you, not the other person.

Bill14564
12-07-2023, 12:14 PM
Note 2 first. I have a gas cart limited to 20, but going down hills I have noticed I seem to be able to go a little faster. That may be what occurred going "down Hillsborough ".
Next is the expression of what is meerly frustration as "painful" or "excruciating". Pain is a physical manifestation of a physical condition. What you experienced is frustration, which is your emotions being unable to deal with a situation beyond your control and making you unhappy. Rather than throw a tantrum, like a spoiled child being told "no", change your mindset and accept that you have the right to enjoy the ride or hate the ride. Happy or mad is up to you, not the other person.

So you have never traveled on Hillsborough.

golfing eagles
12-07-2023, 01:34 PM
We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

I have also found myself growing impatient with slow traffic. However, sometimes upon reflection, I have to admit that the person in front of me is being quite reasonable, although a bit slower than I would go if I owned the road all to myself, and it's just time for me to take a chill and go with the flow.

I could refute your erroneous conclusions, but Bill already did a good job of that.

Laker14
12-07-2023, 02:00 PM
I could refute your erroneous conclusions, but Bill already did a good job of that.

right.

golfing eagles
12-07-2023, 02:05 PM
right.

Agreed :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer
12-07-2023, 04:21 PM
If you knew me you would have no need to ask that question.

Thank you for that piece of advice. Rest assured I will put it to appropriate use.

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JMintzer
12-07-2023, 04:28 PM
Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

I've made a suggestion (multiple times) of what they can do to alleviate their annoyance to others. I never included having them "exceed the speed limit" as a solution...

Oh, and I like your added "what if" at the end... Nice attempt at changing the subject... BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

JMintzer
12-07-2023, 04:34 PM
We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

I agree... That is exactly what you are attempting to do...

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 05:10 PM
So you have never traveled on Hillsborough.

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

JMintzer
12-07-2023, 05:11 PM
At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

That would deem 90% of the post's on ToTV pointless... Including plenty of yours...

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 05:21 PM
. BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

Bill14564
12-07-2023, 05:27 PM
Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

In the US? In a retirement community? Unlikely that anything is set expecting peak performance and perfect conditions. The lowest common denominator is the usual target.

Bill14564
12-07-2023, 05:39 PM
At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

God may grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change but he doesn't blind me to them. Annoying is annoying whether explainable or not.

Excruciating and painful have usages beyond just physical sensations. Others seem to have understood what I was trying to convey.

Thank you for your concern over my mindset but I'm good.

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 05:55 PM
In the US? In a retirement community? Unlikely that anything is set expecting peak performance and perfect conditions. The lowest common denominator is the usual target.

How right you are. But, speed limits are generally set to what is deemed safe when fit driver is operating a safe and properly maintained vehicle on a clear, dry roadway under clear, blue skies. Maximum speed under optimum conditions. Less than optimum, drivers are supposed to adjust accordingly.
I wasn't there and don't know the specifics of the circumstances. But, assuming the road was in good shape, dry. Weather was good, sunny and clear with good visibility. And, driver was fit with no problems or distractions (illness, injury, mental conditions such as frustration, anxiety, anger). All in order then 20mph is probably OK. But, if anything is less than ideal, revise speed down.

JMintzer
12-07-2023, 08:05 PM
Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

Again, your argument is to change/limit the parameters...

fdpaq0580
12-07-2023, 10:29 PM
Again, your argument is to change/limit the parameters...

I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

JMintzer
12-08-2023, 09:50 AM
I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

"when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny."

No one was talking about the weather, nor the driver's/vehicle's "peak condition"...

That is changing the parameters of the argument...

Of course, if it's raining, you slow down. No one argued otherwise...

Of course if your brakes don't work, you get off the road. Again, not the argument...

And, as far as "taking a chill pill" goes, that pill works for you, as well...

If you see someone trying to pass you (safely, of course, lest you bring another variable into the equation), let them pass you. Slow down for the few seconds it takes to let them pass. Don't be a d!ck...

fdpaq0580
12-08-2023, 10:48 AM
"when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny."

No one was talking about the weather, nor the driver's/vehicle's "peak condition"...

That is changing the parameters of the argument...

Of course, if it's raining, you slow down. No one argued otherwise...

Of course if your brakes don't work, you get off the road. Again, not the argument...

And, as far as "taking a chill pill" goes, that pill works for you, as well...

If you see someone trying to pass you (safely, of course, lest you bring another variable into the equation), let them pass you. Slow down for the few seconds it takes to let them pass. Don't be a d!ck...

I prefer Richard, if you don't mind.

photo1902
12-08-2023, 03:13 PM
I prefer Richard, if you don't mind.

It is amazing how the same core group of posters seem to have an inordinate amount of issues while driving. Hmmmmmm...

photo1902
12-08-2023, 03:21 PM
I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

Too many hot heads, for sure.

Gpsma
12-08-2023, 05:50 PM
Just get out of my way. I do 50 to 60 on morse and buena vista. You want to drive like an old expeller of flatuence, go ahead….just dont be in front of me.

fdpaq0580
12-09-2023, 10:04 AM
Just get out of my way. I do 50 to 60 on morse and buena vista. You want to drive like an old expeller of flatuence, go ahead….just dont be in front of me.

You have my word that if you don't pull up behind me then I won't be in front of you.
And, we need corned beef hash now.

golfing eagles
12-09-2023, 03:37 PM
You have my word that if you don't pull up behind me then I won't be in front of you.
And, we need corned beef hash now.

I'm thinking more like pork chops with a milkshake

JMintzer
12-09-2023, 03:54 PM
I'm thinking more like pork chops with a milkshake

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fdpaq0580
12-09-2023, 04:12 PM
I'm thinking more like pork chops with a milkshake

Usually pork chops are too dry for me, but a juicy burger with a real chocolate malt sure sounds good.

VApeople
12-09-2023, 05:46 PM
It is amazing how the same core group of posters seem to have an inordinate amount of issues while driving.

Yeah, I think it is pretty funny. They seem to think that we should all change the way we drive just to make them happy. As if we care.

JMintzer
12-09-2023, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I think it is pretty funny. They seem to think that we should all change the way we drive just to make them happy. As if we care.

No look in the mirror and repeat this sentence...

"We seem to think that they should all change the way they drive just to make us happy. As if they care."

JMintzer
12-09-2023, 09:03 PM
It is amazing how the same core group of posters seem to have an inordinate amount of issues while driving. Hmmmmmm...

"It is amazing how the same core group of posters seem to have an inordinate amount of issues about other's driving. Hmmmmmm..."

fdpaq0580
12-10-2023, 11:45 AM
"It is amazing how the same core group of posters seem to have an inordinate amount of issues about other's driving. Hmmmmmm..."

I see what you did there. Clever, but because it isn't an exact quote, should your comment actually be in ""'S?

DonH57
12-10-2023, 11:57 AM
I'm thinking more like pork chops with a milkshake

Pork Chops go great with scrambled eggs in the morning!:thumbup:

JMintzer
12-10-2023, 12:06 PM
I see what you did there. Clever, but because it isn't an exact quote, should your comment actually be in ""'S?

Yes... Because I didn't assign the quote to anyone...

However, I DID quote them verbatim earlier in my post...

SaveTownofLadyLake
12-10-2023, 05:13 PM
There won't be any hurrying when the 8,500 new residents come in over the next year with the under 55+ communities the Town of Lady Lake has re-zoned and annexed, worse yet there is more land that is requesting re-zonnng and annexation for approximately 10,000 more homes in the area of Griffin Ave and out at 466. What do you think thats going to do to you when your'e in a hurry. Tell your Commissioners NO MORE re-zoning & annexing, we need a break.

fdpaq0580
12-11-2023, 09:39 AM
There won't be any hurrying when the 8,500 new residents come in over the next year with the under 55+ communities the Town of Lady Lake has re-zoned and annexed, worse yet there is more land that is requesting re-zonnng and annexation for approximately 10,000 more homes in the area of Griffin Ave and out at 466. What do you think thats going to do to you when your'e in a hurry. Tell your Commissioners NO MORE re-zoning & annexing, we need a break.

It's all about the money. Can commissioners be "bought"? That is the question.