Florida in the forefront for EV's?

[BrianL99]

It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-toll-road-charging-electric-cars/46132167)

[Bill14564]

It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-toll-road-charging-electric-cars/46132167)


Looks like $50M per mile for a ten mile shortcut with a charging system that is no existing EV can use. If Florida builds it, they will come? Have to start somewhere. We'll see.

[Two Bills]

20 years time, probably all interstates will have 'charge as you drive' so in theory NY to LA without stopping in an EV! :coolsmiley::icon_wink:

[BrianL99]

20 years time, probably all interstates will have 'charge as you drive' so in theory NY to LA without stopping in an EV! :coolsmiley::icon_wink:

That will certainly cause an increase in Toll Roads. Perhaps all roads with "charging" installed, will become "Toll Roads" ?

[Keefelane66]

Every new highway built in Central Florida is a toll road. If I'm not in a hurry to get to Disney we take 27 to 192 no tolls. We drove to Davenport last week on 27 at the I4 overpass, I4 was a parking lot both directions.

[villagetinker]

I think it will be interesting to see how the billing for this is setup. I am guessing that the EZ pass transponders will be used. I also understand that the vehicle needs to be equipped with some additional equipment to use the electrified highway for charging, no idea what this is going to cost.

[Keefelane66]

I think it will be interesting to see how the billing for this is setup. I am guessing that the EZ pass transponders will be used. I also understand that the vehicle needs to be equipped with some additional equipment to use the electrified highway for charging, no idea what this is going to cost.
Yes the concept is in testing phase.
In-road inductive charging tests demonstrate unlimited EV range (https://newatlas.com/automotive/stellantis-road-charging-induction/)

[justjim]

Who knows what new technology will bring. It may have nothing to do with a battery operated vehicle on an electrified highway.

[Two Bills]

Who knows what new technology will bring. It may have nothing to do with a battery operated vehicle on an electrified highway.

Maybe if you can pick up power from road, no batteries would be needed.
Who knows indeed.
I would love to see how the story ends.
Maybe I could do an Arnold and "I'll be Back!"

[BrianL99]

Maybe if you can pick up power from road, no batteries would be needed.
Who knows indeed.
I would love to see how the story ends.
Maybe I could do an Arnold and "I'll be Back!"

It could be just like the old fashioned Trolley Cars, with buried wires instead of overhead.

[Topspinmo]

Looks like $50M per mile for a ten mile shortcut with a charging system that is no existing EV can use. If Florida builds it, they will come? Have to start somewhere. We'll see.

I thought they was already “charging” to use the toll roads…:oops:

[Topspinmo]

I think it will be interesting to see how the billing for this is setup. I am guessing that the EZ pass transponders will be used. I also understand that the vehicle needs to be equipped with some additional equipment to use the electrified highway for charging, no idea what this is going to cost.


I wonder who will be the first casualty from electrocution, remember the old trains and buses electrified systems?

[Topspinmo]

It could be just like the old fashioned Trolley Cars, with buried wires instead of overhead.


They had to have connection (rail) to transfer the amps.

The new system will be air gapped, but still a lot of amps under pavement.

[Topspinmo]

And where all this new electricity power going to come from? Wind, solar ? What happens when wind don’t blow or sun behind clouds? IMO nuclear the only option to electrify everything.

[Two Bills]

And where all this new electricity power going to come from? Wind, solar ? What happens when wind don’t blow or sun behind clouds? IMO nuclear the only option to electrify everything.

All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

[ThirdOfFive]

Yet another way for Big Brother to control us.

Optional? No problem with that. But if Government ends up controlling our access to transportation (which would be the case if all roads were the only source of “go juice” for our vehicles) then some government functionary flipping a switch could literally paralyze stretches of road at government’s whim.

No, thank you. Far too power going to the hands of folks who time and again have proven incapable of using it responsibly.

[biker1]

All roads? The process uses induction, which mean that existing roads would need to be dug up to install an induction coil. There are a lot of roads in the US. I think you will be able to charge EVs in your garage for the foreseeable future ;-)

Yet another way for Big Brother to control us.

Optional? No problem with that. But if Government ends up controlling our access to transportation (which would be the case if all roads were the only source of “go juice” for our vehicles) then some government functionary flipping a switch could literally paralyze stretches of road at government’s whim.

No, thank you. Far too power going to the hands of folks who time and again have proven incapable of using it responsibly.

[biker1]

Some estimates put the additional electricity requirements if all gas autos were replaced with EVs right now at about 1 T kWhs. Since we currently produce about 4 T kWhs each year, this would represent about 25% more than our current production. It may take 30 years to replace all gas autos with EVs so we actually have that much time to ramp up electricity production in the US. Since electricity production in the US has been essentially flat for the last decade, we should probably start working on this ;-). Nuclear continues to have a big public relations issue. It's not clear to me when/if that will turn around.

And where all this new electricity power going to come from? Wind, solar ? What happens when wind don’t blow or sun behind clouds? IMO nuclear the only option to electrify everything.

[JGVillages]

All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to have and electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light

[JGVillages]

All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.

[biker1]

Actually, the equivalent value was $17.33 per gallon, not per mile. I believe a lot of this cost was associated with Government subsides. The Government, for better or worse, subsides a lot of things, including your mortgage, if you have one. Regardless, I haven't looked into the assumptions that went into this number and whether they were realistic. Confirmation bias is something to avoid.

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per mile to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.

[Topspinmo]

All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

Dang gumit, where and I going to get all my five finger free copper to sell in plug in cords I :undecided:

[Topspinmo]

Actually, the equivalent value was $17.33 per gallon, not per mile. I believe a lot of this cost was associated with Government subsides. The Government, for better or worse, subsides a lot of things, including your mortgage, if you have one. Regardless, I haven't looked into the assumptions that went into this number and whether they were realistic. Confirmation bias is something to avoid.

Oil companies get subsidies cause federal and state governments make more on gallon of gas than the companies producing it. They don’t want don’t want knock the gravy train off tracks.

[Byte1]

If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime. Having this new system is about as viable as believing that they will have transporter beams from StarTrek for transport in the near future. Not saying that it can't be done, just that it can't be done in our lifetime, so don't hold your breath.

[Keefelane66]

It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-toll-road-charging-electric-cars/46132167)
Not the first “ North America's First Wireless Charging Road Debuts in Detroit. The quarter-mile stretch of road comes from a collaboration between the state of Michigan and the tech company Electreon. The first stretch of inductive-charging road in North America just debuted in Detroit. November 29, 2023”

[Two Bills]

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.

In the new world order, all apartment and condo dwellers will use bicycles or walk.
If unable to walk or cycle, you will be deemed surplus to requirements and euthanized.

[BrianL99]

If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime.

I think the 441 road construction is on a race to the finish, with the house under construction, you can see from the 8th Green of Riley Grove.

[Two Bills]

If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime. Having this new system is about as viable as believing that they will have transporter beams from StarTrek for transport in the near future. Not saying that it can't be done, just that it can't be done in our lifetime, so don't hold your breath.

If they use the crews from the Interstate 4 highway upgrade in Tampa your grand kids children will probably not see it either.

[Topspinmo]

Not even close to OKC I-40/I-35 interchange through town. I know father and son that retired working that stretch of highway. Been on going project since 1972. Just last year they finally completed 80%. O wait their widen project in near future for grandson to retire from.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[rsmurano]

This is old technology. They have been using this for a couple years now in the ‘E’ xtreme racing series. Certain corners have this charging technology installed and if the race car drives over 6his area, their car gets charged

[mickey100]

It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-toll-road-charging-electric-cars/46132167)

Hard to believe Florida would be in the forefront of anything.

[MandoMan]

Looks like $50M per mile for a ten mile shortcut with a charging system that is no existing EV can use. If Florida builds it, they will come? Have to start somewhere. We'll see.

I guess it’s a little like street cars that had a pole with a spring that held a conductor to a live overhead power line. Some electric trains run the same way. I assume there would be a similar gadget under the car on a spring that would drag or roll along the ground or just above it. Interesting. I also assume that the vehicles using it would be registered automatically and charged for the current electricity they use. SECO charges us about 11 cents per kilowatt hour. Rechargers near the road charge a lot more than that. I assume that this in-the-road system would be even more, in addition to the toll. I drive a Prius Prime that gets 26 miles of driving on a charge from a standard outlet in my garage, then uses the gas engine after that like a regular Prius. So I pay 11 cents per KWH for that, and most weeks I use gas maybe once. Over 46,000 miles of driving, I’m getting 153 miles per gallon on gas usage. Without that electricity, I’d get about 50.

[srswans]

… I assume there would be a similar gadget under the car on a spring that would drag or roll along the ground or just above it..

No mechanical contacts is used - there is an air-gap between road surface and car charger.

This is just a proof-of-concept not production.

[defrey12]

It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-toll-road-charging-electric-cars/46132167)

So, our tax and toll dollars are going towards a yet unproven technology… based in fear of a government created problem that doesn’t actually exist. Oh, boy…count me in !

[Topspinmo]

Hard to believe Florida would be in the forefront of anything.

Lot of people move from the so called forefront states every day to Florida.

[mickey100]

Lot of people move from the so called forefront states every day to Florida.

Right, all those people attracted to book bans and other issues we're not allowed to discuss.

[JMintzer]

Right, all those people attracted to book bans and other issues we're not allowed to discuss.

Including "book bans", which never happened in Florida...

[Bill14564]

Including "book bans", which never happened in Florida...

Except for those that did...but only in schools and not on Amazon so it doesn't count