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jebartle
12-16-2023, 11:37 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
fdpaq0580
12-16-2023, 11:53 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
Just me, but I was taught to always have ID with you. That means even at the pool my wallet with ID and Villages ID is with me. Phone doesn't go near water.
PS, I'm old too.
DonH57
12-16-2023, 11:54 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
Never tried it but would their readers still be able to read the bar code from the picture of the I.D. ?
Topspinmo
12-16-2023, 12:15 PM
Sometimes I forget my ID but I have my ID number which some will just input number and my well worked on plastic face shows up with all my information.
Topspinmo
12-16-2023, 12:16 PM
Never tried it but would their readers still be able to read the bar code from the picture of the I.D. ?
Or input the numbers.
blueash
12-16-2023, 12:21 PM
I have been told the rule is you are to have on you the actual villages ID which contains a holographic image. It is way too easy to take a photo of someone's ID and photoshop your own picture into the photo space. The staff is trained to not accept a substitute. YMMV
retiredguy123
12-16-2023, 12:31 PM
The Villages employees are not allowed to accept a photo of the ID card. Only the real ID is acceptable.
jebartle
12-16-2023, 12:46 PM
The Villages employees are not allowed to accept a photo of the ID card. Only the real ID is acceptable.
Baahumbug!!!!!
jebartle
12-16-2023, 12:47 PM
The Villages employees are not allowed to accept a photo of the ID card. Only the real ID is acceptable.
But the picture should be indisputable, right????
asianthree
12-16-2023, 12:48 PM
Picture on phone will not work to enter anywhere they scan your id. (Sports pool, club meetings and discounts on tickets.
Depending on who the person is scanning have seen couple let them in, but not many, most refuse entry. Have watched with no Id or photos on phone at adult pools, to have actual Id when they return.
Will tell you too many residents are complaining non resident people are using the our amenities.
That said, the developer still thinks we should have a card to enter gates, instead of a barcode on our cars. So ids on phones are farther away than you think.
That said one of our coder nerd grandkids can take an TV Id scan it remove pic and put a different one. Print
retiredguy123
12-16-2023, 12:56 PM
But the picture should be indisputable, right????
Tell that to The Villages Administration. They made the rule. But, a resident could hand out multiple copies of the card, and the Villages employee would need to compare every cardholder's face to the photo to verify the identity, instead of just scanning the original card.
asianthree
12-16-2023, 12:58 PM
But the picture should be indisputable, right????
Not if you Id is 15 years old
photo1902
12-16-2023, 01:08 PM
baahumbug!!!!!
jctdid
Pugchief
12-16-2023, 01:10 PM
Picture on phone will not work to enter anywhere they scan your id. (Sports pool, club meetings and discounts on tickets.
Not true. I took a good quality photo with my phone, and they have been able to successfully scan the picture at every rec center I have been required to show ID. One worker told me they recently updated their scanners (or the software?) and she hasn't had any problem scanning photos since.
retiredguy123
12-16-2023, 01:15 PM
Not true. I took a good quality photo with my phone, and they have been able to successfully scan the picture at every rec center I have been required to show ID. One worker told me they recently updated their scanners (or the software?) and she hasn't had any problem scanning photos since.
Except that she is violating the Villages rule for verifying IDs. Some employees either do not know the rule or they refuse to follow it. Whether or not the card will scan has nothing to do with anything.
Altavia
12-16-2023, 01:57 PM
Talking to high level person in Villages IT one afternoon at a wine tasting, they mentioned being able to show your ID from the Villages App was in work.
That was over two years ago...
To be fair, given the age of the organization, they are probably dealing with some obsolete hardware/software. So very hard to update our replace without causing major problems.
bsloan1960
12-16-2023, 02:12 PM
Picture on phone will not work to enter anywhere they scan your id. (Sports pool, club meetings and discounts on tickets.
Depending on who the person is scanning have seen couple let them in, but not many, most refuse entry. Have watched with no Id or photos on phone at adult pools, to have actual Id when they return.
Will tell you too many residents are complaining non resident people are using the our amenities.
That said, the developer still thinks we should have a card to enter gates, instead of a barcode on our cars. So ids on phones are farther away than you think.
That said one of our coder nerd grandkids can take an TV Id scan it remove pic and put a different one. Print Um... I was going to say almost exactly what you did. Anyway, a photo won't scan- at least mine wouldn't at Colony Cottage a week ago, but I think it would still allow you entrance if your Villager ID Number can be used to get in- it's on the card.
BrianL99
12-16-2023, 02:21 PM
Picture on phone will not work to enter anywhere they scan your id. (Sports pool, club meetings and discounts on tickets.
Depending on who the person is scanning have seen couple let them in, but not many, most refuse entry. Have watched with no Id or photos on phone at adult pools, to have actual Id when they return.
Not true. I took a good quality photo with my phone, and they have been able to successfully scan the picture at every rec center I have been required to show ID. One worker told me they recently updated their scanners (or the software?) and she hasn't had any problem scanning photos since.
Asianthree is correct.
The official policy is a "photo" of your ID card isn't sufficient, even though most any decent scanner should be able to read it.
Just last week, I was checked at a Dog Park and my photo of my ID was insufficient.
For the OP who thought a photo was a great idea ...
If you have an iPhone, take photos of all your ID's, Medical Cards, etc. & put them in your Apple Wallet in your phone, that's what it's for.
Two Bills
12-16-2023, 02:23 PM
Just tuck village ID in phone case.
Cells are just another appendage with majority of Villagers.
Sorted!
MrFlorida
12-16-2023, 03:19 PM
No , I tried that, they can't scan from your picture on your phone.... must have ID card..
wisbad1
12-16-2023, 03:25 PM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
Tried this, lady at rec center would not except it. Neither the guy at the starter’s shack
Pugchief
12-16-2023, 03:42 PM
No , I tried that, they can't scan from your picture on your phone.... must have ID card..
I'm telling you, they absolutely CAN scan a picture on MY phone and get the scanner to accept it. I have done this multiple times in the last 2 weeks, so I know for a fact it works.
Whether the employee will allow that is a separate issue.
shut the front door
12-16-2023, 05:31 PM
I'm telling you, they absolutely CAN scan a picture on MY phone and get the scanner to accept it. I have done this multiple times in the last 2 weeks, so I know for a fact it works.
Whether the employee will allow that is a separate issue.
You can say it over and over again, but it will be ignored by those who either don't read the thread before posting or they'll just insist that your experience didn't happen. It's fruitless around here.
asianthree
12-16-2023, 06:10 PM
I'm telling you, they absolutely CAN scan a picture on MY phone and get the scanner to accept it. I have done this multiple times in the last 2 weeks, so I know for a fact it works.
Whether the employee will allow that is a separate issue.
Not a separate issue it’s what the rules state. Is all it takes is someone to call complain that person let you in with a picture on your phone.
Then could be a reprimand, or removal from that position, for skirting the rules.
I forgot my TV id (had my DL resident ID on my phone) morning at the colony sports pool.
Even though 2 people verified I swim daily. Employee said she couldn’t take a chance on her job I respect that, and would never jeopardize someone’s livelihood.
I don’t go anywhere with DL or ID and insurance card. Why because, I have been there when someone needs CPR. A locked phone doesn’t do any good for EMS staff, to id you and notify your family
tophcfa
12-16-2023, 07:25 PM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
They make nice phone cases that have a sleeve that would hold the actual ID. Problem solved.
BrianL99
12-16-2023, 07:36 PM
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Bilyclub
12-16-2023, 08:31 PM
Somebody didn't know that phones take digital photos and can display them on demand ?
retiredguy123
12-16-2023, 10:31 PM
Somebody didn't know that phones take digital photos and can display them on demand ?
The Villages knows that phones can take digital photos. That is not the issue. The rule is that you must present the original ID card to gain entry into the rec centers and other facilities. Personally, if I observe a Villages employee accepting a phone photo instead of the original card, I report them to their supervisor. They are not doing their job. The rule is the rule, and I like it. It is more secure.
MrChip72
12-17-2023, 02:32 AM
The Villages knows that phones can take digital photos. That is not the issue. The rule is that you must present the original ID card to gain entry into the rec centers and other facilities. Personally, if I observe a Villages employee accepting a phone photo instead of the original card, I report them to their supervisor. They are not doing their job. The rule is the rule, and I like it. It is more secure.
It's not more secure at all. The card and the scanned card is the same. The barcode is ultimately what determines if things are valid. A fake card can be produced just as easily as a digital image can be modified.
It's not like this is a passport to get into the country, it's a verification that someone is allowed to use a pool. Not something to get all worked up about and start being a snitch on the Villages employees that are using common sense. Let the Villages employees do their jobs and MYOB.
elevatorman
12-17-2023, 04:36 AM
I was told to always carry your "Green Card".:pepper2:
matandch
12-17-2023, 05:05 AM
Never tried it but would their readers still be able to read the bar code from the picture of the I.D. ?
Yes
mntlblok
12-17-2023, 05:17 AM
It's not more secure at all. The card and the scanned card is the same. The barcode is ultimately what determines if things are valid. A fake card can be produced just as easily as a digital image can be modified.
It's not like this is a passport to get into the country, it's a verification that someone is allowed to use a pool. Not something to get all worked up about and start being a snitch on the Villages employees that are using common sense. Let the Villages employees do their jobs and MYOB.
*Now* we're getting somewhere. :-) Discretion or follow the dern rules? Does one report Anne Frank?
Never understood why reductio ad absurdum is sometimes categorized as a logical fallacy, so this gave me the opportunity to once again learn via googlage:
"If used in its traditional sense of the term, reductio ad absurdum can be a valid argument. However, it is also a form of logical fallacy when used incorrectly to dismiss an entire argument".
Now I guess I'm gonna have to delve deeper into bar codage. :-(
Jerry F2
12-17-2023, 05:30 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
We have clear covers on our cell phones... the ID is kept in there.
Always have your phone? You will always have your ID Works for us.
LizzieBorden
12-17-2023, 05:37 AM
As a resident, I think you should show your ID each and everytime you are asked. Not a copy, not a number, your actual ID. This helps prevent fraud. I was also told a couple weeks by one of the rec center employees they are getting an updated system and entering a number or name will no longer work. Bring your ID with you and it resolves any issues.
Two Bills
12-17-2023, 05:45 AM
We have clear covers on our cell phones... the ID is kept in there.
Always have your phone? You will always have your ID Works for us.
Far too simple and logical.
Would never work!:icon_wink:
Mrmean58
12-17-2023, 05:57 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
No bueno. Not a good nor acceptable idea.
BrianL99
12-17-2023, 06:25 AM
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BrianL99
12-17-2023, 06:26 AM
3 pages of nonsense, just typical.
You are required to carry an original ID Card to use the amenities.
VCDD Rec News (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/recevents.aspx)
Skunky1
12-17-2023, 06:58 AM
Show me your papers!
retiredguy123
12-17-2023, 07:01 AM
It's not more secure at all. The card and the scanned card is the same. The barcode is ultimately what determines if things are valid. A fake card can be produced just as easily as a digital image can be modified.
It's not like this is a passport to get into the country, it's a verification that someone is allowed to use a pool. Not something to get all worked up about and start being a snitch on the Villages employees that are using common sense. Let the Villages employees do their jobs and MYOB.
I totally disagree. From "districtgov.org":
Villages Resident & Guest ID Cards
Always carry your original Villages ID, or Guest ID, and a photo ID for access and use of the facilities. Follow all rules and regulations posted in recreation centers. Only original IDs are accepted at the recreation centers.
bowlingal
12-17-2023, 07:06 AM
I bought an id holder from Amazon that sticks to the back of your phone. In it I have ID, some $, drivers lic . It has 2 pockets. Might want to buy. comes 3 to a pack, 3 different colors
GizmoWhiskers
12-17-2023, 07:11 AM
Just me, but I was taught to always have ID with you. That means even at the pool my wallet with ID and Villages ID is with me. Phone doesn't go near water.
PS, I'm old too.
Have a friend who was IN the pool at Riverbend. ID police on duty at rec center said he had on have his ID ON his person IN the pool. All kinds of special here in T V so get a waterproof phone lol.
Duppman
12-17-2023, 07:13 AM
Not true. I took a good quality photo with my phone, and they have been able to successfully scan the picture at every rec center I have been required to show ID. One worker told me they recently updated their scanners (or the software?) and she hasn't had any problem scanning photos since.Same here.
shirleyvan
12-17-2023, 07:13 AM
yes!
DPWM21
12-17-2023, 07:16 AM
Used it (photo of ID) several times and keep other needed items in a photo file on phone such as pet vaccination, license plates ‘number’ (for hotels etc).
Very handy. Secure too.
Kluthy
12-17-2023, 07:24 AM
The Villages should get uptodate and have an app on your cellphone that all amenities readers would recognize to know it's you. I charge on my cc on the phone, use it to get on a plane, get into national health clubs, etc. It's time for a Villages upgrade. You can still have cards but they would become obsolete.
merrymini
12-17-2023, 07:38 AM
Forgot my id and photo is not sufficient but your number is.
crash
12-17-2023, 07:54 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
They will not accept pictures on your phone anymore has to be id.
LonnyP
12-17-2023, 08:22 AM
For those that rent their house and their ID's are relinquished and the renters have the ID's and rights for the particular property that might be a good idea, not sure if those are accepted though as legit proof.
mntlblok
12-17-2023, 08:40 AM
:eclipsee_gold_cup:Have a friend who was IN the pool at Riverbend. ID police on duty at rec center said he had on have his ID ON his person IN the pool. All kinds of special here in T V so get a waterproof phone lol.
Lisanp@aol.com
12-17-2023, 08:42 AM
I have a photo of it on my phone so I have the number when I need it, but the staff will not accept a photo of it to scan - must be actual ID card. A good idea, however, is to get a clear phone case and just keep your ID behind your phone inside the case or a case that holds a card or two.
Marathon Man
12-17-2023, 08:45 AM
For those that rent their house and their ID's are relinquished and the renters have the ID's and rights for the particular property that might be a good idea, not sure if those are accepted though as legit proof.
This is one reason why photos are not official ID's. Rental owners turn in their ID's but keep the photo.
Joecool
12-17-2023, 09:02 AM
That use to work and still not a bad idea to have a photo. But I got written up for a 3rd time at dog park for not having the Original ID. I had my Driver's license and a photo of my ID however they made me fill out the Clipboard with my address, unit number ID number, etc and then I got a letter from Rohan saying I am on probation and may have my amenity Access restricted. it did not save for how long. Several times I was just driving by the dog park not intending to use an amenity And I stopped because I saw a neighbor's dog and had my dogs with me. My ID was in my Domino's bag. I have to switch it from my dominoes bag to Bocce bag it's a whole thing.
Mrs. B
12-17-2023, 09:14 AM
I have a picture of my ID and it has been scanned in the past. Recently, they will not accept it but I get my ID number off of it so they can manually log that. It doesn’t happen often. I take ID out of my purse to go to pool or Rec center activities and then forget to pick it up when needing purse to drive to event. It happens!
wamley
12-17-2023, 09:15 AM
You could have picture, from a time you lived in the Villages and now live somewhere near by.
OhioBuckeye
12-17-2023, 09:26 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
Well as you know we have over 2 million new American Citizens & they need to join TV’s pools too! Don’t you think?
Bill14564
12-17-2023, 09:28 AM
I have been told recently that the policy is the physical ID is the only acceptable ID. Yes, they can see the picture or read the number and it may even be clear enough for the scanner. But still, the physical ID is currently the only acceptable ID.
- At least two years ago there were announcements that digital IDs would be available on the Villages app soon. I gave up holding my breath some time ago.
- Yes, someone who has given up their ID in order to rent their house could still have a picture and may attempt to use it. However, there is no reason at all their online record could not be flagged such that any attempt to use that ID would return a message that it was not currently valid.
- The technology exists to work around this problem and either provide digital IDs or allow pictures to be accepted. It's a shame that a solution has not yet been implemented.
mpstrang
12-17-2023, 09:30 AM
The iPhone has a feature that will allow your emergency contact names and phone numbers to be displayed while the cell is locked. Everyone should ensure this information is completed in case of an emergency. I have used it more than once to contact owners next of kind because about a loss phone.
MSGirl
12-17-2023, 09:31 AM
Just me, but I was taught to always have ID with you. That means even at the pool my wallet with ID and Villages ID is with me. Phone doesn't go near water.
PS, I'm old too.
I was recently at a rec center and if you didn’t have your ID, you simply completed a form
srswans
12-17-2023, 09:42 AM
They make nice phone cases that have a sleeve that would hold the actual ID. Problem solved.
Smartish - iPhone Wallet Cases and Stuff (https://smartish.com/)
ckelly3700
12-17-2023, 09:42 AM
I use a phone case from Amazon that allows me to carry my ID and a credit card with my phone. Problem solved. I love living here and love being carded!
😁 Makes me feel young!
Pessemist
12-17-2023, 09:43 AM
Except that she is violating the Villages rule for verifying IDs. Some employees either do not know the rule or they refuse to follow it. Whether or not the card will scan has nothing to do with anything.
If they CAN scan it, your ID comes up on the scanner.
Maker
12-17-2023, 09:44 AM
When they scan your bar code, your photo pops up on their device screen. That picture cannot be photoshop manipulated because it comes from their own computers.
The concept of "needing the original" is outdated. Allow any method of providing your "number" and they should confirm the picture they get is actually you. More secure and easier for US
Rodneysblue
12-17-2023, 09:45 AM
Does your photo come up on their scanning device when they scan or input your ID?
Lyneee
12-17-2023, 10:08 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
That’s funny you bring this up as I recently mentioned to my hubby that we should do this.
I’ve always had a picture of my license and passport on my phone as a backup when traveling.
I was curious if they would accept a picture of our Village IDs at the pools, so now I’m going to do it!!
rickaslin
12-17-2023, 10:27 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
I mader a paper copy and keep that with me.
BrianL99
12-17-2023, 10:45 AM
That’s funny you bring this up as I recently mentioned to my hubby that we should do this.
I’ve always had a picture of my license and passport on my phone as a backup when traveling.
I was curious if they would accept a picture of our Village IDs at the pools, so now I’m going to do it!!
Perhaps you should read thread and you'll see that "photos" of your ID are not acceptable and the official District Policy is you must have an ORIGINAL ID to use the amenities.
BlueStarAirlines
12-17-2023, 11:02 AM
But the picture should be indisputable, right????
I can photoshop you sitting next to President Kennedy at Brownwood Square. A picture is not proof of anything.
jebartle
12-17-2023, 11:20 AM
I can photoshop you sitting next to President Kennedy at Brownwood Square. A picture is not proof of anything.
Keep forgetting that hackers and scammers exist but pool access lacks importance IMHO.
retiredguy123
12-17-2023, 11:42 AM
I was recently at a rec center and if you didn’t have your ID, you simply completed a form
I could be wrong, but, I think that, if you do that too often, you will get a nasty letter from John Rohan.
retiredguy123
12-17-2023, 11:50 AM
Keep forgetting that hackers and scammers exist but pool access lacks importance IMHO.
So, allowing people to use the pool who don't have the proper ID is more important?
There are other threads about people complaining that unauthorized people are using the pools.
photo1902
12-17-2023, 11:53 AM
So, allowing people to use the pool who don't have the proper ID is more important?
There are other threads about people complaining that unauthorized people are using the pools.
You really can't make this stuff up
Raybemis1
12-17-2023, 11:55 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
They won’t take it. Must have the physical I’d with you. I put a card wallet sleeve on the back of my phone case to carry it with me at all times.
2 years ago, in one of the Morse videos, she said that they where working on adding a spot on the villages app to carry your id so you wouldn’t have to carry it with you. Don’t know what happened to that.
BaileyMom
12-17-2023, 12:12 PM
I was picking up Guest IDs at the Colony Rec Center the other day. The woman ahead of me had her ID on her phone and the person at the desk told her she needs the actual ID.
My phone case has slots for cards where I keep my drivers license and Village ID which makes it easy to always have with me.
jaj523
12-17-2023, 06:56 PM
It's actually 16 million.
PurePeach
12-17-2023, 08:14 PM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
I, too thought that was a great idea. One morning I showed up for my early morning (7:30 or so) tee time, whipped out my phone, and was told it was unacceptable. The starter said I needed the actual card. I argued that if I had the picture of my ID and. I was in their computer system, I was “legal.” She, again, insisted that I had to have the ID to play, so I told her I was going home. She said wait a minute, turned to the other course starter, said something, was handed a clipboard by the other starter with the order to “Write her up.” So, I got “written up” and I have no idea what that means. Several months later, hoping to learn a little more about the tee time system, I went to Golf School. It was clearly stated in the class that you must always have your ID with you and that a photo of the ID was unacceptable.
I called TV to see if I could get another ID to have in my golf bag since I don’t carry a wallet with me to play golf, and was told no. Only one ID per person. So, there you have it. :boom:
retiredguy123
12-17-2023, 08:17 PM
I, too thought that was a great idea. One morning I showed up for my early morning (7:30 or so) tee time, whipped out my phone, and was told it was unacceptable. The starter said I needed the actual card. I argued that if I had the picture of my ID and. I was in their computer system, I was “legal.” She, again, insisted that I had to have the ID to play, so I told her I was going home. She said wait a minute, turned to the other course starter, said something, was handed a clipboard by the other starter with the order to “Write her up.” So, I got “written up” and I have no idea what that means. Several months later, hoping to learn a little more about the tee time system, I went to Golf School. It was clearly stated in the class that you must always have your ID with you and that a photo of the ID was unacceptable.
I called TV to see if I could get another ID to have in my golf bag since I don’t carry a wallet with me to play golf, and was told no. Only one ID per person. So, there you have it. :boom:
Happy to hear that you were "written up". Why can't people just follow the rules???
MrChip72
12-17-2023, 08:27 PM
I can photoshop you sitting next to President Kennedy at Brownwood Square. A picture is not proof of anything.
The equipment to make fake Villages cards and a set of blanks cards to print on is not very expensive. Could easily be found for $600-$700.
Bill14564
12-17-2023, 08:53 PM
Happy to hear that you were "written up". Why can't people just follow the rules???
Rules are followed more often when they make sense. Speed limits are great examples: set the limit arbitrarily low and it will be violated regularly. The rule that you must carry the physical card and copies or photos are not valid feels arbitrary - it doesn't feel like there is a good reason for it. A credible explanation for why the rule is necessary would go a long way.
Bill14564
12-17-2023, 08:57 PM
The equipment to make fake Villages cards and a set of blanks cards to print on is not very expensive. Could easily be found for $600-$700.
Would that $600 equipment be able to update the database so that the picture retrieved when the fake ID is scanned matches picture on the card and the person presenting it?
Would anyone really spend $600 to be able to attend water aerobics, cardio drumming, or Bridge games?
FredMitchell
12-17-2023, 09:49 PM
This thread demonstrates one thing clearly. (Folks may be a bit old and have outdated ideas). Nobody seems to understand that there are only two real issues.
Identification - who are you?
Authentication - you physically have some hard to copy mechanism for identification
An example of the first is something like a login / password combination - or in TV land, an Id number.
The second is often a biometric device that matches only you - fingerprint reader, retinal scanner, etc. - or in The Villages - a physical card that is not allowed to be duplicated. That is a weak link here, but it would only be further weakened by allowing trivial lame*ss copies for authentication.
Don't complain. Fingerprint readers are cumbersome, expensive, and usually have batteries that need replacing. The rule is not there just to be a rule. It is the rule because without it, impersonation is trivial as evidenced by all of the people in this thread who have been doing exactly what anybody could be doing to try to bypass authentication.
Regorp
12-17-2023, 10:16 PM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
No i.d. in hand means no admittance, period.
MrChip72
12-17-2023, 10:58 PM
Would that $600 equipment be able to update the database so that the picture retrieved when the fake ID is scanned matches picture on the card and the person presenting it?
I'm simply making a comparison to someone having a picture of their card on their phone. It would be very easy to copy a card which when scanned would act the same as the original.
Hopefully the Villages can sometime soon rollout something more practical that will allow multiple ways to show ID like using the Villages app. I work in tech so my level of frustration with the often antiquated ways things are done by the Villages is higher than most.
I seriously don't think there's much of a problem with unauthorized people using our facilities. There's many more important things to focus on in TV.
PersonOfInterest
12-18-2023, 05:07 AM
I'm wondering how many who don't have their ID card also don't have a drivers license with them. How did you get to the Rec center or activity? If you drove, whether golf cart or car, you should have your drivers license - Not a picture of your drivers license, but the real drivers license.
Here's a thought .... Why not keep your villages ID with your drivers license?
For those of you driving without your license and don't have your Villages ID, BUT you have your phone; How did you make it through life into retirement age and into the Villages with that set of priorities?
DARFAP
12-18-2023, 06:29 AM
I'm old, so humor me, a friend took a picture of her Village ID for those moments at pool, rec centers, etc you need your ID, always have phone, but not always ID, GOOD idea!
Ok, ready for those special comments#$%@#$%!!!!
When they check IDs at the dog park, only the actual ID is accepted.
asianthree
12-18-2023, 06:46 AM
Would that $600 equipment be able to update the database so that the picture retrieved when the fake ID is scanned matches picture on the card and the person presenting it?
Would anyone really spend $600 to be able to attend water aerobics, cardio drumming, or Bridge games?
They spend that $600 to make duplicate credit cards, village id’s is just a add-on:MOJE_whot:. However there are ways to actually duplicate cards with high tech printers, without having to buy blanks anymore. Probably find what they use on Utube :thumbup:
Berwin
12-18-2023, 07:43 AM
I use a waterproof pouch made to hold my phone and made of clear plastic so you can see the ID as well as who might be calling you. It has a lanyard to loop around your neck when driving to the pool in our golf cart. I stick it under our towels when we go in the water. I got mine off Amazon but I've seen them at Walmart in the outdoor sports section too.
mikeycereal
12-18-2023, 08:08 AM
When I first got the villages ID I was told that I could use it at places like golf courses and pools and stuff and so I kept it in my wallet. So I'm not getting why some chose to take photo copies etc when you could do the same. Are some of your wallets full? I don't get why you wouldn't have it on you. Again they tell you that when you first go get it. :shrug:
MrFlorida
12-18-2023, 09:16 AM
It's always a good idea to have ID with you when your out. What if you have a fall, or some other medical emergency and they take you to the hospital ? It would be nice for them to know who you are....
JGibson
12-18-2023, 09:21 AM
Just tuck village ID in phone case.
Cells are just another appendage with the majority of Villagers.
Sorted!
Smart minds think alike.
If you get a clear case you don't even have to take it out of the case.
Mine even still works with wireless charging through the card.
Hawss
12-18-2023, 09:26 AM
Check out the Stocard app in the apple App Store, You can load your various cards in to the app. Pretty handy..
Dgodin
12-19-2023, 02:24 PM
Employee wont accept the photo, but it is an easy way to store the id number.
Topspinmo
12-19-2023, 06:37 PM
Does your photo come up on their scanning device when they scan or input your ID?
Yes or when they input Numbers.
MrChip72
12-19-2023, 11:26 PM
I'm wondering how many who don't have their ID card also don't have a drivers license with them. How did you get to the Rec center or activity? If you drove, whether golf cart or car, you should have your drivers license - Not a picture of your drivers license, but the real drivers license.
Here's a thought .... Why not keep your villages ID with your drivers license?
For those of you driving without your license and don't have your Villages ID, BUT you have your phone; How did you make it through life into retirement age and into the Villages with that set of priorities?
You are not required to have a drivers license to drive on MMP's and public streets in TV if you're over 18.
I keep my drivers license in my wallet and it never moves from my wallet. I only take my wallet with me if I'm driving my car or going to a store, no need to risk having my wallet with me if I'm out golfing, playing pickleball or at the pool. I carry my Villages ID on me 24/7 in TV though.
chris38wise
12-27-2023, 02:58 PM
A friend tried using a phone copy of her ID for golf and was told it was not acceptable.
She happened to have her ID in purse, so was able to golf.
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