The Schwarzschild Equation

[sounding]

This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

[Two Bills]

The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.

[Blueblaze]

For us non math majors, can you explain the chart without giving away the plot?

[sounding]

For us non math majors, can you explain the chart without giving away the plot?

This graph converts filtered spectral flux to temperature change approximation.

[golfing eagles]

This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

Why the media never mentions this? Why don't climatologists who are beholden to the government and universities never speak out to debunk the myth of anthropogenic climate change? Why doesn't the media ever mention that the price of complying with the Paris accords would be $ 130 TRILLION? And most importantly, why are those that would benefit conveniently hiding behind all the "useful idiots" that they have recruited/bamboozled?

We all know why.

[fdpaq0580]

Why the media never mentions this? Why don't climatologists who are beholden to the government and universities never speak out to debunk the myth of anthropogenic climate change? Why doesn't the media ever mention that the price of complying with the Paris accords would be $ 130 TRILLION? And most importantly, why are those that would benefit conveniently hiding behind all the "useful idiots" that they have recruited/bamboozled?

We all know why.

"We ALL know why." Yup! Most do, but it probably ain't what you think.

[golfing eagles]

"We ALL know why." Yup! Most do, but it probably ain't what you think.

I know you think differently about this topic, but I assure you it is EXACTLY what I think. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric)

Not sure where you are getting your information.

[sounding]

Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric)

Not sure where you are getting your information.

Schwarzschild is most noted for the black hole radius metric, and his 2nd most notable work is what the media is trying to hide from you, which are the exact solutions for Einstein's A & B coefficients which are necessary to make the Schwarzschild Equation work properly ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild%27s_equation_for_radiative_transfer) ... which is why Einstein is on this image. This an much more information (which the media tries to hide) will be presented at Thursday's talk.

[Vermilion Villager]

The cut and paste Sounding posted was from John Shewchuk on X. Too funny!!! he's actually debunking the theory!!!! I followed it to his website. Here's a cut and paste from John's site.

[Regorp]

This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

So you are smart. Most people could care less. We understand basic weather and happy with it most of the time. Thanks.

[PhilG]

no one is more confident than amateur self-styled "scientists"

[Keefelane66]

The cut and paste Sounding posted was from John Shewchuk on X. Too funny!!! he's actually debunking the theory!!!! I followed it to his website. Here's a cut and paste from John's site.
How long B4 post disappears?

[daveczo]

So you are smart. Most people could care less. We understand basic weather and happy with it most of the time. Thanks.

I was lost after, This is the.......:22yikes:

[Donegalkid]

This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

Whenever I read scientific articles about The Schwarzschild Equation (which happily is next to never) or come across the phrase “and yet the media never mentions it” I hold my breath for approximately 30-45 seconds (depending on how I’m feeling that day), thereby decreasing my carbon footprint by a calculation too complicated to explain here or display on a graph. For scientific types, I’ve labeled it the “Guinness Equation” and the complete equation with all the trig and calculus calculations can be found on the men’s bathroom wall of Bull Feeney’s Irish pub in Portland Maine. While I have your attention, who do you think Bull Feeney really was? He was a real and very famous person. Hint: his real last name is that of an American car manufacturer but one should really think “Hollywood” and some of good old American movies. Happy holidays, all.

[spinner1001]

The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

[mntlblok]

Whenever I read scientific articles about The Schwarzschild Equation (which happily is next to never) or come across the phrase “and yet the media never mentions it” I hold my breath for approximately 30-45 seconds (depending on how I’m feeling that day), thereby decreasing my carbon footprint by a calculation too complicated to explain here or display on a graph. For scientific types, I’ve labeled it the “Guinness Equation” and the complete equation with all the trig and calculus calculations can be found on the men’s bathroom wall of Bull Feeney’s Irish pub in Portland Maine. While I have your attention, who do you think Bull Feeney really was? He was a real and very famous person. Hint: his real last name is that of an American car manufacturer but one should really think “Hollywood” and some of good old American movies. Happy holidays, all.
Had never googled the guy. Coincidentally had just read up on Maureen O'Hara yesterday. "Festus" was his SIL for a while. :-) Lots of fun new info in the (*long*) Wikipedia article. And, now know that Wilhelm Fried Fuchs (Fried Vilmos) is the ultimate namesake of that eponymous channel. Also reminded me of recently having read the fascinating story of Carole Lombard. Might've previously thought that he and John Huston were the same guy. :-) He made Rear Admiral! Learnt that Star Trek kinda developed out of Wagon Train.

[gorillarick]

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

Even if you have to make one up.

[sounding]

The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

Those who attended the Schwarzschild talk learned that the Schwarzschild Metric describes the gravitational field around black holes ... Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric) ... and that the Schwarzschild Equation describes radiative transfer of energy regarding greenhouse gases ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild%27s_equation_for_radiative_transfer)

[mntlblok]

The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

Karl got croaked during WW1 but his son became a big boy in astronomy.

Golfers might lean more towards "spin" rather than gravity within the (simple) physics realm for practical info.

Trackman caused the "rules" of golf ball flight to "change" a while back. However, watch folks' eyes glaze over if you bring it up. :-) Use the new ball flight laws to understand your tendencies – GolfWRX (https://www.golfwrx.com/251459/use-the-new-ball-flight-laws-to-understand-your-tendencies/)

[mntlblok]

The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.



Actually, I *do* have a little bubble balance in the cart that I keep meaning to pull out on the practice green. . . :-)

[ffresh]

The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.


:1rotfl:

Fred

[jimjamuser]

The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.
Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

[sounding]

Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

What climate crisis? How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[spinner1001]

Those who attended the Schwarzschild talk learned that the Schwarzschild Metric describes the gravitational field around black holes ... Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric) ... and that the Schwarzschild Equation describes radiative transfer of energy regarding greenhouse gases ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild%27s_equation_for_radiative_transfer)

@sounding

Thanks for responding. You described ‘what’ but not ‘why’. Why should ordinary people care about the Schwarzschild Equation?

[Donegalkid]

Had never googled the guy. Coincidentally had just read up on Maureen O'Hara yesterday. "Festus" was his SIL for a while. :-) Lots of fun new info in the (*long*) Wikipedia article. And, now know that Wilhelm Fried Fuchs (Fried Vilmos) is the ultimate namesake of that eponymous channel. Also reminded me of recently having read the fascinating story of Carole Lombard. Might've previously thought that he and John Huston were the same guy. :-) He made Rear Admiral! Learnt that Star Trek kinda developed out of Wagon Train.

Ha. Someone can do research. Bingo. Bull Feeney aka John Martin Feeney aka Hollywood legend John Ford. From Portland Maine; born 1894. My grandfather (b. 1896) and Feeney (Ford) were members of an Irish youth gang circa 1910s whose domain was the docks of Portland Harbor. Tough lads. Feeney eventually made it west to Hollywood. The rest is film history.

*The film “The Quiet Man reflects his fascination and pride in his Irish immigrant roots. The protagonist, Sean Thornton — boxer — by John Wayne, is an alter ego for Ford (Sean being an Irish equivalent of John).
Ford did love boxers, and that's part of the appeal of Victor McLaglen, who won an Oscar for The Informer, and who then appeared Wayne Ford in mostly comic roles in Ford's cavalry trio. Clearly, there was a love of the gusto and camaraderie in saloons-preferably frequented by Irish and Irish immigrants, which he grew up with in Portland where his father owned a bar.”

"I like the old masters, by which I mean John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford."
-Orson Welles

*Source: Portland Monthly, February/March 2018

[sounding]

@sounding

Thanks for responding. You described ‘what’ but not ‘why’. Why should ordinary people care about the Schwarzschild Equation?

Guess why the public is familiar with Einstein's (E=mc2) equation, but not Schwarzschild's equation? Even though Schwarzschild's equation is the defining science describing greenhouse gas warming (and cooling) ... the public has never heard of it. This equation sits at the heart of the so-called "climate crisis" ... and yet the media ignores it. I wonder why.

[jimjamuser]

Guess why the public is familiar with Einstein's (E=mc2) equation, but not Schwarzschild's equation? Even though Schwarzschild's equation is the defining science describing greenhouse gas warming (and cooling) ... the public has never heard of it. This equation sits at the heart of the so-called "climate crisis" ... and yet the media ignores it. I wonder why.
The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

[fdpaq0580]

The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

Well said!

[golfing eagles]

The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

You are correct that "global warming occurs slowly"---in repetitive cycles of about 100,000 YEARS. All without any influence by humans. (It is the only part of your post that is correct)

[Topspinmo]

Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

On your bicycle again I see.


“ Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase“ especially man made lab generated viruses ������. We know why migrants are moving north, it has nothing to do with weather.

[Decadeofdave]

Sorry I thought the article was some kind of equation related to Howard Schwartz's
heirs in the villages.

[jimjamuser]

You are correct that "global warming occurs slowly"---in repetitive cycles of about 100,000 YEARS. All without any influence by humans. (It is the only part of your post that is correct)
OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has caused increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

[jimjamuser]

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has changed to record after record increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

[Topspinmo]

Sorry I thought the article was some kind of equation related to Howard Schwartz's
heirs in the villages.

O no! bring up the developers will ensure another 100 post praising them.

[barbara828]

Climate has changed since there was atmosphere. We're coming out of the Ice Age.

[sounding]

The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

WHAT climate crisis. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? It must be zero because there's never an answer. Silence is golden.

[golfing eagles]

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has caused increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

Wow----ONE hot year out of the last 4 million----yep, I'd go with that as scientific evidence :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sounding]

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has changed to record after record increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

Just 95% believe? During the Little Ice Age 100% of the scientists believed witches caused global cooling. "Beliefs" support religions. Data supports science. So let's try some data ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year ... ?

[jimjamuser]

Climate has changed since there was atmosphere. We're coming out of the Ice Age.
That certainly MAY be true. I don't really know or CARE. What i DO know is that 2023 was the HOTTEST on recorded history and I notice that the naysayers about climate DANCE AROUND that fact. Facts have a way of NOT lying.

[jimjamuser]

WHAT climate crisis. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? It must be zero because there's never an answer. Silence is golden.
To the question of what climate change, I would say the one that is evident by the FACT that 2023 was the hottest on record and so was the last 10 years.

[jimjamuser]

Wow----ONE hot year out of the last 4 million----yep, I'd go with that as scientific evidence :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
We live in RECENT history not a thousand years ago.

[sounding]

That certainly MAY be true. I don't really know or CARE. What i DO know is that 2023 was the HOTTEST on recorded history and I notice that the naysayers about climate DANCE AROUND that fact. Facts have a way of NOT lying.

How "much" did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[sounding]

To the question of what climate change, I would say the one that is evident by the FACT that 2023 was the hottest on record and so was the last 10 years.

So what ... what's "man" got to do with that?

[jimjamuser]

Data......2023 was the warmest in recorded history! And the last 10 years have been rapidly rising in heat and real climate scientists are VERY worried. Also we have rapid species extinction, coral reefs dying, and glaciers in Antarctica falling into the sea. And we also have worldwide sea level RISE. No one can ignore those PROBLEMS. Doctors have found evidence of increased crime and decreased lifespan due to HEAT rise, also childhood ASTHMA.

[jimjamuser]

So what ... what's "man" got to do with that?
Man produces CO2 like in automobile which rise and for a layer that reflects HEAT back to earth. It is all discussed in Climate science literature.

[jimjamuser]

Just 95% believe? During the Little Ice Age 100% of the scientists believed witches caused global cooling. "Beliefs" support religions. Data supports science. So let's try some data ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year ... ?
I seriously doubt that witches could agree 100 % on anything?

[mntlblok]

Ha. Someone can do research.

Largely living out my days lost in side tunnels from googling myself down various rabbit holes. Like a pig in slop. . .

[sounding]

Data......2023 was the warmest in recorded history! And the last 10 years have been rapidly rising in heat and real climate scientists are VERY worried. Also we have rapid species extinction, coral reefs dying, and glaciers in Antarctica falling into the sea. And we also have worldwide sea level RISE. No one can ignore those PROBLEMS. Doctors have found evidence of increased crime and decreased lifespan due to HEAT rise, also childhood ASTHMA.

And ... what's "man" got to do with that?

[gorillarick]

Seems that if you are so concerned with frying due to global warming, that it is time to move to Canada.

[sounding]

Man produces CO2 like in automobile which rise and for a layer that reflects HEAT back to earth. It is all discussed in Climate science literature.

Sorry, that's the junk science version. In reality a cooler object (like the atmosphere) CAN NOT warm a warmer object like the earth. You can not walk into a walk in freezer and expect it to warm you up. Here's the standard atmospheric profile showing temperatures cool as you ascend. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[golfing eagles]

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has caused increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

That certainly MAY be true. I don't really know or CARE. What i DO know is that 2023 was the HOTTEST on recorded history and I notice that the naysayers about climate DANCE AROUND that fact. Facts have a way of NOT lying.

To the question of what climate change, I would say the one that is evident by the FACT that 2023 was the hottest on record and so was the last 10 years.

Data......2023 was the warmest in recorded history! And the last 10 years have been rapidly rising in heat and real climate scientists are VERY worried. Also we have rapid species extinction, coral reefs dying, and glaciers in Antarctica falling into the sea. And we also have worldwide sea level RISE. No one can ignore those PROBLEMS. Doctors have found evidence of increased crime and decreased lifespan due to HEAT rise, also childhood ASTHMA.

Man produces CO2 like in automobile which rise and for a layer that reflects HEAT back to earth. It is all discussed in Climate science literature.

Trivia question: Does anybody know the name of the musical that featured the song "Johnny One Note"?

[jimjamuser]

Wow----ONE hot year out of the last 4 million----yep, I'd go with that as scientific evidence :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Wait and see. My New Years prediction is that 2024 is HOTTER than 2023. It is a trend that we will be able to FEEL this summer. Florida is VERY vulnerable to the LARGER hurricanes due to the hotter ocean temperatures. The Florida coastline has to deal with the rising ocean levels due to Antarctica ice melting and large icebergs forming. Florida is TRYING to regrow its coral reefs that are badly damaged. The HEAT causes greater crime and displacement northward of South American population. We can NOT solve a problem until we recognize THAT problem.

[sounding]

Wait and see. My New Years prediction is that 2024 is HOTTER than 2023. It is a trend that we will be able to FEEL this summer. Florida is VERY vulnerable to the LARGER hurricanes due to the hotter ocean temperatures. The Florida coastline has to deal with the rising ocean levels due to Antarctica ice melting and large icebergs forming. Florida is TRYING to regrow its coral reefs that are badly damaged. The HEAT causes greater crime and displacement northward of South American population. We can NOT solve a problem until we recognize THAT problem.

Of course next year will be hotter -- as we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age.

[golfing eagles]

Wait and see. My New Years prediction is that 2024 is HOTTER than 2023. It is a trend that we will be able to FEEL this summer. Florida is VERY vulnerable to the LARGER hurricanes due to the hotter ocean temperatures. The Florida coastline has to deal with the rising ocean levels due to Antarctica ice melting and large icebergs forming. Florida is TRYING to regrow its coral reefs that are badly damaged. The HEAT causes greater crime and displacement northward of South American population. We can NOT solve a problem until we recognize THAT problem.

Is that a F sharp or an E flat??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Trivia question: Does anybody know the name of the musical that featured the song "Johnny One Note"?
There are a lot of problems in our world in 2023, 2024. I DO tend to focus on the one that is UNDER-REPORTED by the MEDIA. And it is the ONE problem that underlays MANY other problems that are more visible to people.
.........The is a principle in debates........if you can't attack the logic of the debater, then attack them personally in some trivial way.

[golfing eagles]

There are a lot of problems in our world in 2023, 2024. I DO tend to focus on the one that is UNDER-REPORTED by the MEDIA. And it is the ONE problem that underlays MANY other problems that are more visible to people.
.........The is a principle in debates........if you can't attack the logic of the debater, then attack them personally in some trivial way.

The only thing underreported by the media relative to this thread is that man-made global warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world.

[fdpaq0580]

Is that a F sharp or an E flat??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Psst. Choose different notes. Actually, E is what F flat would be.

[sounding]

There are a lot of problems in our world in 2023, 2024. I DO tend to focus on the one that is UNDER-REPORTED by the MEDIA. And it is the ONE problem that underlays MANY other problems that are more visible to people.
.........The is a principle in debates........if you can't attack the logic of the debater, then attack them personally in some trivial way.

Under-reported? That's funny. The most important science regarding greenhouse gas warming is the Schwarzschild Equation ... and not a peep from the media -- which avoids the subject like vampires avoid the sun.

[golfing eagles]

Psst. Choose different notes. Actually, E is what F flat would be.

So, you think F sharp and E flat are the same notes??? Might explain the imminent catastrophic global warming posts :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

The only thing underreported by the media relative to this thread is that man-made global warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world.

I always thought you were just kidding. Pushing people's buttons. Do you REALLY not know that humankind IS having a great negative effect on Earth's climate. Um, um, um?

[golfing eagles]

I always thought you were just kidding. Pushing people's buttons. Do you REALLY not know that humankind IS having a great negative effect on Earth's climate. Um, um, um?

I'll never tell :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

So, you think F sharp and E flat are the same notes??? Might explain the imminent catastrophic global warming posts :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You read incorrectly. Try again.

[JMintzer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

On your bicycle again I see...

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Sorry I thought the article was some kind of equation related to Howard Schwartz's
heirs in the villages.

No, it was about Norman's Schwarzkopf and Desert Storm...

[JMintzer]

That certainly MAY be true. I don't really know or CARE. What i DO know is that 2023 was the HOTTEST on recorded history and I notice that the naysayers about climate DANCE AROUND that fact. Facts have a way of NOT lying.

And THAT sums you your argument perfectly...

Ignore the FACTS you don't like, keep repeating "factoids" you like... Even if they've been debunked...

[JMintzer]

I seriously doubt that witches could agree 100 % on anything?

Nor can scientists...

[JMintzer]

Trivia question: Does anybody know the name of the musical that featured the song "Johnny One Note"?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/r5Laua4IPpvzy/giphy.gif

"Babes in Arms"

[JMintzer]

There are a lot of problems in our world in 2023, 2024. I DO tend to focus on the one that is UNDER-REPORTED by the MEDIA. And it is the ONE problem that underlays MANY other problems that are more visible to people.
.........The is a principle in debates........if you can't attack the logic of the debater, then attack them personally in some trivial way.

Under-Reported??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

What "crisis?" Sorry, but I am in my mid 70's and the only change I have noticed is that the air is cleaner than it was when I was a kid. Is that bad; a crisis?
I was just a wee lad when I read the story of Chicken Little. You know "the sky is falling, the sky is falling."
If a bunch of fools wish to waste their money on "scientific" studies with results that they then pervert to enhance the grifter tendencies of politicians, then just leave me out of their scheme. I sincerely doubt that our climate will change enough to be noticeable before I pass on from this life.
For those that are disrespectful to the OP, why bother reading any of his stuff if all you are going to do is disparage him with no countering facts?

[Byte1]

To the question of what climate change, I would say the one that is evident by the FACT that 2023 was the hottest on record and so was the last 10 years.

Sooo, in order to have a "hottest" or coldest, the temperature has to change. And as far as I know, we have NEVER had two years exactly the same. As far as I know, that would likely be construed as climate changing. I remember when I was working a construction job years ago (the early 70's) and the temps reached in excess of 104 degrees. Workers were being sent home by their foremen due to the "record" heat. I've been to countries where the temps went into the 120's. The point is that when you have a record hot day in one area, you also have some place else that is cooler/colder. Let me know when the temperature reaches 120 degrees here and I will be impressed. I might even be concerned, for a short time. :ho:

[Byte1]

Florida numbers:
"– All-time highest temperature: 109° F (Monticello 5 SE on June 29, 1931)
– All-time lowest temperature: -2° F (Tallahassee on Feb.13, 1899)"

Personally, I hope I don't see another -2° F day/night. Now, if we could just get the temps in the mountains up North to reach continuous highs, I would consider moving. I do like the mountains, however I also enjoy HOT weather. And yet "the sky is falling."

[jimjamuser]

Is that a F sharp or an E flat??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here. That is the main point that I have been trying to make. We all need to move on to solutions that will bring the global heating back DOWN. And somehow stop the hoards of people entering the US as they try to escape the HEAT conditions in their former countries.
......The 1st world countries are to blame for CAUSING this Global RUNAWAY HEAT threat and they are paying the price for their greed and thoughtlessness with UNWANTED migration from South to North. That is a recent (20 year) phenomenon which has nothing to do with 1,000 year intervals of geological time. This is a BIG right-NOW problem. The only thing that I am doing is trying NOT to ignore it, like MANY are doing.

[jimjamuser]

The only thing underreported by the media relative to this thread is that man-made global warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world.
But we just agreed that 2023 was the WARMEST IN HISTORY. And by extension that the last 10 years grew increasingly HOT up to 2023.

[mtdjed]

This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

The reason is so simple that it is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer with a minimum expertise. Next question!

[buzzy]

I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here. .................

You are not just the messenger. You are an obsessed disciple who won't stop ramming your beliefs down everyone's throats.

[Papa_lecki]

But we just agreed that 2023 was the WARMEST IN HISTORY. And by extension that the last 10 years grew increasingly HOT up to 2023.

Well, according to NASA the warmest since 1880, when global records began.

NASA Announces Summer 2023 Hottest on Record - NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-announces-summer-2023-hottest-on-record/)

Since the earth is 4.5 billion year old, 143 is a rounding error.

[sounding]

Well, according to NASA the warmest since 1880, when global records began.

NASA Announces Summer 2023 Hottest on Record - NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-announces-summer-2023-hottest-on-record/)

Since the earth is 4.5 billion year old, 143 is a rounding error.

Be advised that NASA not only uses modeled data (data in regions were no thermometers exist) but they also use data which they fabricate (e.g. altered data). To the point, this graph shows U.S. temperature data from the U.S. Climatological Network (USHCN) for raw (or observed) data.

[golfing eagles]

I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here. That is the main point that I have been trying to make. We all need to move on to solutions that will bring the global heating back DOWN. And somehow stop the hoards of people entering the US as they try to escape the HEAT conditions in their former countries.
......The 1st world countries are to blame for CAUSING this Global RUNAWAY HEAT threat and they are paying the price for their greed and thoughtlessness with UNWANTED migration from South to North. That is a recent (20 year) phenomenon which has nothing to do with 1,000 year intervals of geological time. This is a BIG right-NOW problem. The only thing that I am doing is trying NOT to ignore it, like MANY are doing.

EXCEPT.......many of us have debunked "the message" over and over again, but it's just like talking to a brick wall. maybe some "messengers" should be shot :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here. That is the main point that I have been trying to make. We all need to move on to solutions that will bring the global heating back DOWN. And somehow stop the hoards of people entering the US as they try to escape the HEAT conditions in their former countries.
......The 1st world countries are to blame for CAUSING this Global RUNAWAY HEAT threat and they are paying the price for their greed and thoughtlessness with UNWANTED migration from South to North. That is a recent (20 year) phenomenon which has nothing to do with 1,000 year intervals of geological time. This is a BIG right-NOW problem. The only thing that I am doing is trying NOT to ignore it, like MANY are doing.

Your "messages" have been debunked, countless times. Yet you insist on repeating the same old trite nonsense, over and over and over and over and over again. Often times, repeating yourself, multiple times in the same thread...

Hence, the "Chicken Little" monicker...

And your work is done?

Not bloody likely. I'd wager you'll post the same verbatim post before the day is over...

Quick question: Do you have there rants saves and just "cut & paste" them, or are you actually taking the time to type them out, again and again and again? If it's the latter, it seems to be a colossal waste of time...

[jimjamuser]

You are not just the messenger. You are an obsessed disciple who won't stop ramming your beliefs down everyone's throats.
Actually, I am a pretty normal, well adjusted JOE that has enjoyed the subject of Science since high school science class. Climate Change is the biggest LONG TERM problem faced by the whole WORLD. It is easy to ignore because it has happened S-L-O-W-L-Y in the PAST. But, that is HISTORY, it is happening RAPIDLY in the past 10 years. Interesting, I just heard on TV that scientists actually warned about this happening in the 1950s and some of the scientists worked in the OIL industry. Also, I heard that 2023 was the HOTTEST YEAR on the planet for the last 100,000 years! Remember this summer when the Mississippi River practically dried up and that HAD for bring gasoline prices and prices for other goods up. So, global warming has already affect all of the Villagers. There is some good news because wind and solar farms are now the lowest cost for electrical energy, and that cost is decreasing. Atomic ENERGY produced by NEWER methods is likely only about ten years away. I don't mind debate, but I have refrained from engaging in ANY personal attacks. PLEASE just debate, NOT insult!

[jimjamuser]

Be advised that NASA not only uses modeled data (data in regions were no thermometers exist) but they also use data which they fabricate (e.g. altered data). To the point, this graph shows U.S. temperature data from the U.S. Climatological Network (USHCN) for raw (or observed) data.
OK, let me get this straight........NASA FABRICATES data, so I should believe the graphs that you present OVER NASA.

[jimjamuser]

EXCEPT.......many of us have debunked "the message" over and over again, but it's just like talking to a brick wall. maybe some "messengers" should be shot :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
My personality is insignificant compared to the subject of Global Warming. Please debate the subject. Why play..... insult the debater?

[Papa_lecki]

Also, I heard that 2023 was the HOTTEST YEAR on the planet for the last 100,000 years!

Again, according to NASA, they started keeping global records since 1880, 143 years.
The earth has been around for 4.5 billion years
143/4.5 billion has so many leading zeros, it’s a rounding error.

[Taltarzac725]

Again, according to NASA, they started keeping global records since 1880, 143 years.
The earth has been around for 4.5 billion years
143/4.5 billion has so many leading zeros, it’s a rounding error.

Humans have managed to warm up the earth in quite a short time due to pollution from factories, cars, buses, trucks, ships, etc. And maybe cows and other animals.

[jimjamuser]

Humans have managed to warm up the earth in quite a short time due to pollution from factories, cars, buses, trucks, ships, etc. And maybe cows and other animals.
Also golf carts.

[sounding]

OK, let me get this straight........NASA FABRICATES data, so I should believe the graphs that you present OVER NASA.

You can believe the altered data -- or the observed data. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coh52TUZcZM

[fdpaq0580]

Actually, I am a pretty normal, well adjusted JOE that has enjoyed the subject of Science since high school science class. Climate Change is the biggest LONG TERM problem faced by the whole WORLD. It is easy to ignore because it has happened S-L-O-W-L-Y in the PAST. But, that is HISTORY, it is happening RAPIDLY in the past 10 years. Interesting, I just heard on TV that scientists actually warned about this happening in the 1950s and some of the scientists worked in the OIL industry. Also, I heard that 2023 was the HOTTEST YEAR on the planet for the last 100,000 years! Remember this summer when the Mississippi River practically dried up and that HAD for bring gasoline prices and prices for other goods up. So, global warming has already affect all of the Villagers. There is some good news because wind and solar farms are now the lowest cost for electrical energy, and that cost is decreasing. Atomic ENERGY produced by NEWER methods is likely only about ten years away. I don't mind debate, but I have refrained from engaging in ANY personal attacks. PLEASE just debate, NOT insult!

Sorry Jimjamuser, insult is one of their favorite tools, along with belittling, denying, claiming debunking, deflection (well what about blah blah), presentation "alternative facts" (misinformation) to fool the ---, well you get the idea. Like talking to a flat earthen while sitting in the middle of the great plains, they won't believe the world is round no matter what. The only alternative would be to shoot them into space to experience the truth for themselves. Even then, some would think they had been tricked because their minds cannot conceive the truth.
Keep up the good work. Happy Holidays!

[Taltarzac725]

Also golf carts.

Especially here in the Villages with the gas model golf carts. Mine only goes, at best, 20-22 MPH. And that is on a steep incline. Governor only allows me to go 19.9 MPH. Saves the engine according to the dealer.

I had one golf cart zip past me going around 40 and doing it very loudly with what sounded like a motorcycle engine.

[Topspinmo]

You are not just the messenger. You are an obsessed disciple who won't stop ramming your beliefs down everyone's throats.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

Watch this video you’ll understand what dealing with.

[Taltarzac725]

Scientists Estimate Dinosaurs Passed Enough Gas To Warm Up The Planet : The Two-Way : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/05/07/152203680/scientists-estimate-dinosaurs-passed-enough-gas-to-warm-up-the-planet)

I have been wondering about these gaseous beasts.

Outside climate experts say the study makes some sense, but that the warming from dinosaur gas back then is dwarfed by man-made carbon dioxide today from industry.

[Topspinmo]

Humans have managed to warm up the earth in quite a short time due to pollution from factories, cars, buses, trucks, ships, etc. And maybe cows and other animals.


But, you still drive car, eat meat, ride on planes, trains, buses, buy products that was trucked All except work in factory. IMO If I was going to blame some humans it would be lawyers.

[fdpaq0580]

Humans have managed to warm up the earth in quite a short time due to pollution from factories, cars, buses, trucks, ships, etc. And maybe cows and other animals.

Yes! Yes! Yes! And still the (willfully) blind refuse to see!

[Topspinmo]

Scientists Estimate Dinosaurs Passed Enough Gas To Warm Up The Planet : The Two-Way : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/05/07/152203680/scientists-estimate-dinosaurs-passed-enough-gas-to-warm-up-the-planet)

I have been wondering about these.

I estimate it didn’t. :spoken:

[fdpaq0580]

But, you still drive car, eat meat, ride on planes, trains, buses, buy products that was trucked All except work in factory. IMO If I was going to blame some humans it would be lawyers.

LOL!! You chose the easy target.

[jimjamuser]

Especially here in the Villages with the gas model golf carts. Mine only goes, at best, 20-22 MPH. And that is on a steep incline. Governor only allows me to go 19.9 MPH. Saves the engine according to the dealer.

I had one golf cart zip past me going around 40 and doing it very loudly with what sounded like a motorcycle engine.
Yes, you would think that it would be basic and easy for the local Police to catch speed-altered golf carts - just by the sound. And the fines would have 2 advantages - making CART speed uniform and putting money back into the hands of the Police Department to fund more Policing.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, you would think that it would be basic and easy for the local Police to catch speed-altered golf carts - just by the sound. And the fines would have 2 advantages - making CART speed uniform and putting money back into the hands of the Police Department to fund more Policing.


As person with law degree he knows that’s not how law works. :popcorn:

[fdpaq0580]

You are not just the messenger. You are an obsessed disciple who won't stop ramming your beliefs down everyone's throats.

WRONG! He is an intelligent individual who understands what most educated and intelligent people worldwide know to be true. I do not for one second believe he has ever forcibly "rammed" anything down your, or anyone else's, throat. He, like many others, speak out when they see misinformation being passed masquerading as truth by those who, for whatever personal reason, deny that humanity, all 8Billion plus, through all our damaging transformation of our planet, bear no responsibility for the fact of global warming. You can choose to accept or not. You can choose to read his comments or not. It's up to you.

[Taltarzac725]

As person with law degree he knows that’s not how law works. :popcorn:

Mine is from the U of MN (Class of 1989). Which is a very long time ago. And most of those courses were about business law like the Uniform Commercial Code | Uniform Commercial Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc).

[golfing eagles]

Actually, I am a pretty normal, well adjusted JOE that has enjoyed the subject of Science since high school science class. Climate Change is the biggest LONG TERM problem faced by the whole WORLD. It is easy to ignore because it has happened S-L-O-W-L-Y in the PAST. But, that is HISTORY, it is happening RAPIDLY in the past 10 years. Interesting, I just heard on TV that scientists actually warned about this happening in the 1950s and some of the scientists worked in the OIL industry. Also, I heard that 2023 was the HOTTEST YEAR on the planet for the last 100,000 years! Remember this summer when the Mississippi River practically dried up and that HAD for bring gasoline prices and prices for other goods up. So, global warming has already affect all of the Villagers. There is some good news because wind and solar farms are now the lowest cost for electrical energy, and that cost is decreasing. Atomic ENERGY produced by NEWER methods is likely only about ten years away. I don't mind debate, but I have refrained from engaging in ANY personal attacks. PLEASE just debate, NOT insult!

Even for you, that is a bizarre claim. Please show us the average temperature in the year 84,731 BC, or 56,892 BC, or 16,783 BC or even better yet, just 1343 AD. So, in short, 2023 MAY have been the hottest year in the last 100 or so, the other 99,900 years of your claim are dismissed.

[golfing eagles]

My personality is insignificant compared to the subject of Global Warming. Please debate the subject. Why play..... insult the debater?

Describing, not insulting :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Humans have managed to warm up the earth in quite a short time due to pollution from factories, cars, buses, trucks, ships, etc. And maybe cows and other animals.

Or, maybe it was just warming anyway----just as it has done at least a dozen times in the last 4.5 million years.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, you would think that it would be basic and easy for the local Police to catch speed-altered golf carts - just by the sound. And the fines would have 2 advantages - making CART speed uniform and putting money back into the hands of the Police Department to fund more Policing.

If cars drove themselves and followed the safety and traffic laws, there would (ideally) be no accidents caused by speeders, running of lights, distracted, drunk, or even blind drivers. Few, if any, tickets. Tons of fuel would be saved and emissions lowered dramatically. Roadrage would be a thing of the past. And, if a passenger did get upset, the AI driver could calm them with gas.

But we are off track,

Now! Back to our regularly scheduled climate talk.

[golfing eagles]

WRONG! He is an intelligent individual who understands what most educated and intelligent people worldwide know to be true. I do not for one second believe he has ever forcibly "rammed" anything down your, or anyone else's, throat. He, like many others, speak out when they see misinformation being passed masquerading as truth by those who, for whatever personal reason, deny that humanity, all 8Billion plus, through all our damaging transformation of our planet, bear no responsibility for the fact of global warming. You can choose to accept or not. You can choose to read his comments or not. It's up to you.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

Timeline of temperature and pressure measurement technology - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_temperature_and_pressure_measurement_t echnology)

Kind of hard to discuss weather data before 1900 or so.

Unless you are talking about samples from ice and trees. https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/how-do-we-know-the-temperature-on-earth-millions-of-years-ago.html

[fdpaq0580]

Even for you, that is a bizarre claim. Please show us the average temperature in the year 84,731 BC, or 56,892 BC, or 16,783 BC or even better yet, just 1343 AD. So, in short, 2023 MAY have been the hottest year in the last 100 or so, the other 99,900 years of your claim are dismissed.

Google is your friend, too. If those particular years are of some special interest to you, then I'm sure you can check them yourself.

[fdpaq0580]

Or, maybe it was just warming anyway----just as it has done at least a dozen times in the last 4.5 million years.

Nah! It's the people and their stuff and alllll the crazy thing they do without seeing the long term (now short term) consequences.

[JMintzer]

Actually, I am a pretty normal, well adjusted JOE that has enjoyed the subject of Science since high school science class. Climate Change is the biggest LONG TERM problem faced by the whole WORLD. It is easy to ignore because it has happened S-L-O-W-L-Y in the PAST. But, that is HISTORY, it is happening RAPIDLY in the past 10 years. Interesting, I just heard on TV that scientists actually warned about this happening in the 1950s and some of the scientists worked in the OIL industry. Also, I heard that 2023 was the HOTTEST YEAR on the planet for the last 100,000 years! Remember this summer when the Mississippi River practically dried up and that HAD for bring gasoline prices and prices for other goods up. So, global warming has already affect all of the Villagers. There is some good news because wind and solar farms are now the lowest cost for electrical energy, and that cost is decreasing. Atomic ENERGY produced by NEWER methods is likely only about ten years away. I don't mind debate, but I have refrained from engaging in ANY personal attacks. PLEASE just debate, NOT insult!

You never debate. You simply repeat the same mantra over and over and over again...

All while ignoring any contradictory evidence...

[jimjamuser]

Even for you, that is a bizarre claim. Please show us the average temperature in the year 84,731 BC, or 56,892 BC, or 16,783 BC or even better yet, just 1343 AD. So, in short, 2023 MAY have been the hottest year in the last 100 or so, the other 99,900 years of your claim are dismissed.
Actually it was one hundred and TWENTY thousand years. I heard and saw it on today's Jake Tapper CNN show at around 4 minutes into his program. He had a WHOLE hour show about the 2023 HEAT and associated Global Warming. He had several climate scientists that said that it MAY (?) NOT yet be too late to prevent complete disaster to the earth and the human race. So, that IS the SOURCE of my statement - a legitimate news source, not some conspiracy network.

[JMintzer]

Scientists Estimate Dinosaurs Passed Enough Gas To Warm Up The Planet : The Two-Way : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/05/07/152203680/scientists-estimate-dinosaurs-passed-enough-gas-to-warm-up-the-planet)

I have been wondering about these gaseous beasts.

I see a new movie coming out... "Jurassic Fart"...

[JMintzer]

WRONG! He is an intelligent individual who understands what most educated and intelligent people worldwide know to be true. I do not for one second believe he has ever forcibly "rammed" anything down your, or anyone else's, throat. He, like many others, speak out when they see misinformation being passed masquerading as truth by those who, for whatever personal reason, deny that humanity, all 8Billion plus, through all our damaging transformation of our planet, bear no responsibility for the fact of global warming. You can choose to accept or not. You can choose to read his comments or not. It's up to you.

That's a good one! Wait... You're serious?

[golfing eagles]

Actually it was one hundred and TWENTY thousand years. I heard and saw it on today's Jake Tapper CNN show at around 4 minutes into his program. He had a WHOLE hour show about the 2023 HEAT and associated Global Warming. He had several climate scientists that said that it MAY (?) NOT yet be too late to prevent complete disaster to the earth and the human race. So, that IS the SOURCE of my statement - a legitimate news source, not some conspiracy network.

You think CNN (The Communist News Network) is a legitimate news source???? Hmmmmm......

[JMintzer]

Nah! It's the people and their stuff and alllll the crazy thing they do without seeing the long term (now short term) consequences.

You mean all the OTHER people and their stuff and alllll the crazy things they do...

YOU, otoh, don't have any "stuff" and YOU are the one who acts completely rationally...

[JMintzer]

Actually it was one hundred and TWENTY thousand years. I heard and saw it on today's Jake Tapper CNN show at around 4 minutes into his program. He had a WHOLE hour show about the 2023 HEAT and associated Global Warming. He had several climate scientists that said that it MAY (?) NOT yet be too late to prevent complete disaster to the earth and the human race. So, that IS the SOURCE of my statement - a legitimate news source, not some conspiracy network.

Oh, it was Jake Tapper... The Nobel Winning Climatologist...

Why didn't you say so... Jake would never make things up...

[jimjamuser]

Or, maybe it was just warming anyway----just as it has done at least a dozen times in the last 4.5 million years.
There is a very SIMPLE logic to prove that recent Global Warming is man-made. The earth now has 8 billion people in it and it is only fairly recently (like 30 years) that the earth has made it to that many people. The US population when most of us were born was about 100,000,000 people - now it is over 3 times as much. And India and other 3rd world countries have increased more than the US. These population increases have increased the need for more electricity power plants, more automobiles, more food, and basically MORE everything. Which means more CO2 pollution.
........The TV show with Jake Tapper pointed out that countries in America and Europe could be crushed and become dis-functional as millions may end up moving Northward - that is unprecedented. Another problem for India is that it is fairly flat and the ocean could take over some parts.

[golfing eagles]

There is a very SIMPLE logic to prove that recent Global Warming is man-made. The earth now has 8 billion people in it and it is only fairly recently (like 30 years) that the earth has made it to that many people. The US population when most of us were born was about 100,000,000 people - now it is over 3 times as much. And India and other 3rd world countries have increased more than the US. These population increases have increased the need for more electricity power plants, more automobiles, more food, and basically MORE everything. Which means more CO2 pollution.
........The TV show with Jake Tapper pointed out that countries in America and Europe could be crushed and become dis-functional as millions may end up moving Northward - that is unprecedented. Another problem for India is that it is fairly flat and the ocean could take over some parts.

Half right---that was "simple", but "logic" had nothing to do with it.

[jimjamuser]

You think CNN (The Communist News Network) is a legitimate news source???? Hmmmmm......
Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.

[golfing eagles]

Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.

Bon Voyage!!!!!

But I really hope you are wrong about the climate. Santa and his elves will be real unhappy if the North Pole turns into a rain forest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.

Not "name calling"----accurate description.

[Taltarzac725]

I see a new movie coming out... "Jurassic Fart"...

I do not think you would have been in a safe Jurassic Park with some gassy brontosauri.

[Papa_lecki]

Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.

Isn’t Australia an island, if the oceans are rising, won’t it be under water in a few years? I think you previously said Florida will be underwater.

[Taltarzac725]

Isn’t Australia an island, if the oceans are rising, won’t it be under water in a few years? I think you previously said Florida will be underwater.

List of drainage basins of Australia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drainage_basins_of_Australia)

It would be islands but not for a long time.

Climate change in Australia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Australia)

[jimjamuser]

List of drainage basins of Australia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drainage_basins_of_Australia)

It would be islands but not for a long time.

Climate change in Australia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Australia)
Maybe I should look into Sweden instead of Australia. I just hope that i can get CNN there for reliable media reporting!

[mtdjed]

There is a very SIMPLE logic to prove that recent Global Warming is man-made. The earth now has 8 billion people in it and it is only fairly recently (like 30 years) that the earth has made it to that many people. The US population when most of us were born was about 100,000,000 people - now it is over 3 times as much. And India and other 3rd world countries have increased more than the US. These population increases have increased the need for more electricity power plants, more automobiles, more food, and basically MORE everything. Which means more CO2 pollution.
........The TV show with Jake Tapper pointed out that countries in America and Europe could be crushed and become dis-functional as millions may end up moving Northward - that is unprecedented. Another problem for India is that it is fairly flat and the ocean could take over some parts.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here.

IF Only, but somehow I doubt it. That was my thought many of your posts ago. Obviously, I was right

As we all know there is recorded history in rocks, ice cores etc? Shows data allowing experts to date the earth back 4,500,000,000 years. Shows data of multiple ice ages over the years. Shows records of water levels much higher than current levels in between ice ages. Shows long periods of temperature much higher than current period. Many periods of global cooling and global warming. Even before humans. That is reality.

The causes of those changes were exclusive of human influence. Additionally, we have been in a period of global warming for 1000's of years.

Can humans affect the greenhouse gases? Yes. Just by breathing (inhale air at 21% oxygen. 04% CO2)(exhale air 16.4% oxygen, 4.4% CO2) Double the population, double the CO2. But then the plants absorb CO2 and emit Oxygen. But life goes on, the sun rises, people war, people procreate, society advances.

People have migrated since they began to exist. Weather had impacts but is not the sole cause.

Rather than dispute cause and impact on TOTV, why not offer solutions that you have implemented that contribute to a reduction to the problem. The answer is not go electric on everything. Production of electricity is a high consumer of carbon-based fuels.

Have you gone solar for your power needs? Have you reduced your carbon footprint in travel such as Trains instead of planes? Solar, water, wind Electric verse carbon fuels? Have you cut back on home AC and Heat requirements? Have you eliminated pleasure trips for sightseeing or family visits. Are you recycling your garbage and trash in some way other than what The Villages offers? Are you cutting back on your use of hot water from electric or gas fuels.

[golfing eagles]

Maybe I should look into Sweden instead of Australia. I just hope that i can get CNN there for reliable media reporting!

Half right again. You can get CNN, but it is far from reliable media reporting.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here.

IF Only, but somehow I doubt it. That was my thought many of your posts ago. Obviously, I was right

As we all know there is recorded history in rocks, ice cores etc? Shows data allowing experts to date the earth back 4,500,000,000 years. Shows data of multiple ice ages over the years. Shows records of water levels much higher than current levels in between ice ages. Shows long periods of temperature much higher than current period. Many periods of global cooling and global warming. Even before humans. That is reality.

The causes of those changes were exclusive of human influence. Additionally, we have been in a period of global warming for 1000's of years.

Can humans affect the greenhouse gases? Yes. Just by breathing (inhale air at 21% oxygen. 04% CO2)(exhale air 16.4% oxygen, 4.4% CO2) Double the population, double the CO2. But then the plants absorb CO2 and emit Oxygen. But life goes on, the sun rises, people war, people procreate, society advances.

People have migrated since they began to exist. Weather had impacts but is not the sole cause.

Rather than dispute cause and impact on TOTV, why not offer solutions that you have implemented that contribute to a reduction to the problem. The answer is not go electric on everything. Production of electricity is a high consumer of carbon-based fuels.

Have you gone solar for your power needs? Have you reduced your carbon footprint in travel such as Trains instead of planes? Solar, water, wind Electric verse carbon fuels? Have you cut back on home AC and Heat requirements? Have you eliminated pleasure trips for sightseeing or family visits. Are you recycling your garbage and trash in some way other than what The Villages offers? Are you cutting back on your use of hot water from electric or gas fuels.
I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.

[sounding]

I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.

If it's man-made global warming, then tell me ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[Topspinmo]

Mine is from the U of MN (Class of 1989). Which is a very long time ago. And most of those courses were about business law like the Uniform Commercial Code | Uniform Commercial Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc).


But, you still have idea how law works.

[Topspinmo]

Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.


Why did CNN Have to apologize for presidential debate questions release before the debate? Wast that legitimate and respectful news network to try to influence presidential election? How quickly we forget.

[fdpaq0580]

You mean all the OTHER people and their stuff and alllll the crazy things they do...

YOU, otoh, don't have any "stuff" and YOU are the one who acts completely rationally...

No. I meant what I wrote. And I do act rationally given the world I live in. And I assume you believe you act rationally, also.

[JMintzer]

Now we have degenerated the conversation back to name calling. I would bet that a survey made across the US would come up with 50 to 70% of the people saying that CNN is a legitimate News Network. Personally, I can NOT respect anyone that can NOT say that CNN is a respected News Network. If most people say that CNN is NOT legitimate, that would tell me, that the American experience is OVER. And I need to move to Australia.

Tell that to Nick Sandman...

[fdpaq0580]

You think CNN (The Communist News Network) is a legitimate news source???? Hmmmmm......

You can be more creative than that.

[JMintzer]

Bon Voyage!!!!!

But I really hope you are wrong about the climate. Santa and his elves will be real unhappy if the North Pole turns into a rain forest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/20b768a4-1c69-44d8-ac1e-11521af865d4/svn/santa-s-workshop-christmas-centerpieces-5652-64_600.jpg

[JMintzer]

I do not think you would have been in a safe Jurassic Park with some gassy brontosauri.

I could say the same about them, being safe from me... Or so claims my wife...

[fdpaq0580]

if it's man-made global warming, then tell me ... How much did "man-made" co2 warm the earth last year?

talk about johnny one note!

[JMintzer]

I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.

Recent migration is all about $$$... They've been told they'll get free housing, healthcare, education etc, etc, etc...

It has nothing to do with CO2...

And TV, Texas, Arizona, etc are FULL of people who migrated south...

[JMintzer]

No. I meant what I wrote. And I do act rationally given the world I live in. And I assume you believe you act rationally, also.

Then your point is moot...

[JMintzer]

You can be more creative than that.

He could, but that would result in, yet another vacation...

[JMintzer]

talk about johnny one note!

Funny how no one can answer that simple question...

I'd wager if someone could give an answer, he'd stop asking the question...

[fdpaq0580]

Funny how no one can answer that simple question...

I'd wager if someone could give an answer, he'd stop asking the question...

Nah! He doesn't want an answer. He wants somebody to bite on his plastic lure, do the research and present it on a platter for him. And then, after all the work was done double checked, peer reviewed, he would just deny everything and go back his comfortable falsehoods, to see if he can suck anyone else into the nonsense. IMHO, of course! He is a fisherman. And fishermen are famous for telling tails.

[sounding]

talk about johnny one note!

Yet bet. It's the core question fueling the fake climate crisis. Do you know the answer? How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[Topspinmo]

You can be more creative than that.

Ok, the Comedy news network. :bowdown:

[mtdjed]

I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.

You ignore comment about accepting that record exists of multiple periods of global warming and global cooling much more drastic than your year 2023 hottest year on record. All of which occurred prior to any man made influence.

Of course, that would dispel the suggetions that the 2020 years are the hottest years "Ever", and that man is totally at fault. Also ignored is that scientists have stated we are still on the downside of the last Ice age.
You also don't mention solutions that you have implemented to particpate in reducing the problem .

Again, not saying that man does not impact global temperature. Man has drained swamps, reclaimed land from the sea, cleared forests, created huge concrete hot spots, mined and drilled for fuel to power equipment and heat and cool homes. We all walk around in our 98.6 F bodies transferring heat to the environment.

The earth is wrapped in a blanket of air. The lower level is called by some, the Troposphere and because of gravity the densest air. This level is about 6.8 miles (11KM) thick. The temperature in this area decreases by about 11.7 F per Kilo or 117 F within the 6.8 mile. After that we have the stratosphere which goes from 6.8 miles to 31 miles. The first 12 miles of the stratosphere has a constant temperature and then a raise due to the Ozone Layer.

The point is that the earth is in a virtual see thru thermos bottle. The heat is not coming from the gases that make the air. The heat is coming primarily from the radiation from the sun and secondarily from sources on the earth. The air also gets its heat from the sources. Night time and temp decreases, no sun. Cloudy and temp decreases, no sun. Winter less sun, temp decreases. Summer more sun, temp increases.

Farmer Jones has 1000 cows. No impact, Farmer Smith slaughtered 1000 cows.

[golfing eagles]

Ok, the Comedy news network. :bowdown:

Among those in the intelligence community, it is referred to as the "Classified News Network"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser:
"I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history."

Not in recorded history, which goes back some 5,500-6,000 years----in the history of weather records, which goes back about 150 years. And I doubt "we all" agree on that either, depending on the methodology used, which changed in 1977---only 46 years ago

I'm just hoping 2024 is one of the coolest years on record, so "we all" can stop hearing how 2023 was so warm and the beginning of a trend.
PS: we are in a warming trend, but it began 20,000 years ago WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM MAN.

Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS! (Whether you anticipate snowmen or puddles in the future:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[Byte1]

I'm still waiting for someone to answer the question: How much did mankind contribute to climate change, CO2 increase, etc. over what would naturally occur. So far, the only answers is that since there are more humans on earth than at another time, there MUST be a correlation between the increase in CO2 and Global Warming. The answering solution seems to be that we must get rid of all mankind to stop the Climate from changing. Another answer that seems to be a skipping record (vinyl type) is that Australia does everything better than us. It reminds me of some folks theory that in order to lower crime rates, we must raise the income level (throw money at the problem) of all those that make less than the rest of us that worked for our level of lifestyle. Because everyone knows that crime is related to being impoverished, not because one is lazy or evil. In order to rid everyone of a bias or prejudice, laws must be made that makes anything that one does not agree with a violation (hate speech) of the law.
And yet, a simple question like "how much did mankind contribute to Global Warming/Climate Change" results in tap dancing to avoid answering. Just show me proof, that's all. It's kind of hard for me to consider some of the supposed proof when there is also proof that much of the US of A was underwater at a certain period in the past. That dinosaurs roamed the world and required great amounts of vegetation, and the world had to warmer to sustain enough vegetation to feed them.
Just show me the proof that mankind has caused Global Warming and not the natural ecological recurring changes that would happen regardless of a human populated Earth. Simple question. Saying there is a larger population therefore the climate is warmer is just like saying there are no more dinosaurs on Earth, therefore that must have caused the ICE AGE.
Just my two cents. Personally, I don't think that throwing a trillion bucks of someone else's money into the research of the subject is something that we should be considering. Donations should be voluntary, not mandatory. Let those that insist on this folly, provide voluntary funding/donations to the cause. I guarantee that if there was no money involved, there would be very little interest in the subject.

[Dusty_Star]

I guarantee that if there was no money involved, there would be very little interest in the subject.

Hear, hear!

[Dusty_Star]

I'm just hoping 2024 is one of the coolest years on record, so "we all" can stop hearing how 2023 was so warm and the beginning of a trend.

Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS! (Whether you anticipate snowmen or
puddles in the future:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Merry Christmas! G E & to all! 🎄🎄