New covid varriant!

[Lottoguy]

This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back in our own home! Take care.

[Stu from NYC]

We seem to have both caught it last day or so on cruise. My symptoms were very minor, wife got to go for ride in ambulance to ER. Paxlovid took care of her symptoms very quickly.

Covid will outlive us.

[fdpaq0580]

No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.

[golfing eagles]

No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.

You mean you are really wearing a mask? Fair enough, judgement of stupid withheld 😂😂😂

[fdpaq0580]

You mean you are really wearing a mask? Fair enough, judgement of stupid withheld 😂😂😂

I made you laugh! Admit it!🙃

[Velvet]

No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.

You are killing me with laughter…I just assume I look better with a mask on…lol…get vaccines is my hobby…lol!

I got this latest updated, whatever Covid vaccine and there was zero side-effect. I don’t know how they did it, I got Pfizer as always and expected a day of fever as usual. Nothing, this time, nada.

[golfing eagles]

I made you laugh! Admit it!🙃

You win, I admit it

[BrianL99]

This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us.
.

This Covid thing is awesome. I haven't heard of a case of the Flu, in over 3 years.

[Topspinmo]

This Covid thing is awesome. I haven't heard of a case of the Flu, in over 3 years.


Got keep the billions rolling it.

[CarlR33]

My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe.. Sorry to hear you had this but what makes you think you got it from the plane trip?

[Two Bills]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

:BigApplause:

[Harold.wiser]

How about those Lions?!

[jswirs]

[quote=lottoguy;2284007]this new covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and i got covid on the plane trip back from europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back i

[rsmurano]

The OP symptoms describe a cold. I got sick a week ago on a cruise with the symptoms like the OPs. I had a covid test kit and it was negative. Typical cold, now just have to wait it out

[frayedends]

I'm completely lost on the folks insisting to get tested. I would hope if you are sick you will stay away from people regardless if it's Covid, flu, hepatitis, rhinovirus, whatever. Why keep giving money to the pharma companies for tests. If your sick you are sick.

If you are so sick you need a hospital they will test you.

[fishon]

I like pie.

[GizmoWhiskers]

You are embarrassing yourself.
Not seeing anything embarrassing about that post.

[Cindyd]

Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)

[golfing eagles]

I'm completely lost on the folks insisting to get tested. I would hope if you are sick you will stay away from people regardless if it's Covid, flu, hepatitis, rhinovirus, whatever. Why keep giving money to the pharma companies for tests. If your sick you are sick.

If you are so sick you need a hospital they will test you.

Here's the general rule of medical testing: If you're not going to do anything different based on the results of a test, don't order it in the first place. So, yes, if you are going to self quarantine followed by a period of wearing a mask in public based on the recommendations du jour, don't test.

[ThirdOfFive]

The only effect COVID has had upon the lives of my wife and myself was from the panicked overreaction of others. We both had it early on: for my part it wasn't fun but I've had much worse cases of the flu. For my wife it was even less: maybe a day or three of feeling puny but that was all. For both of us the major headache was the interruption in our golf.

We didn't buy into the chicken-little reactions of others, living precisely as we always had aside from the times that mask-wearing was mandatory, and those times when seating was hard to find at those half-filled restaurants.

Not buying into it this time either.

[motherflippinpicker]

My husband and I both have Covid right now. He's just about over it, I'm still struggling, I'm about 4 days behind him.

I read through all the comments and I hate how much covid has divided us. It's not the flu and it's not the common cold. Covid left me with diabetes 18 months ago. I am now dealing with it again and it most likely will attack my pancreas again, nothing anyone can do about it, it's just this new illness we have to deal with. I'm not saying this for sympathy but to point out that this isn't the flu or a cold.

We lost a dear friend to covid in 2022. I've never lost a friend to the flu or a cold. So please take it seriously enough that you respect other's health that you do quarantine from them if you're sick. If you had/have Covid and it was/is mild, be thankful.

[Gunny2403]

Yea, then I guess I should get another shot so I can get another blood clot

[Eclas]

Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)

And what about the young ones that didn't fare well with the vaccine.

[La lamy]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

Well said. If I could find the clapping smilies, you would have had at least 3 of them.

[midiwiz]

This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back in our own home! Take care.

Only response I can come up with is who cares?

[golfing eagles]

Yea, then I guess I should get another shot so I can get another blood clot

Absolutely, I believe they are BOGO :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dusty_Star]

Here's the general rule of medical testing: If you're not going to do anything different based on the results of a test, don't order it in the first place. So, yes, if you are going to self quarantine followed by a period of wearing a mask in public based on the recommendations du jour, don't test.

Thanks Doc! I will remember your advice. If nothing will change based on the test results, then don't bother testing.

[Bill14564]

Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)

Does that site happen to give the percentage of Villagers under 40 years old? How about the statistics on deaths for those over 60? Yes, it's important to look at facts.

[Susan1717]

I have life long friends who have been heading a medical research in CA after a career heading a chicago hospital. They warned all their personal friends to walk out of a hospital at all cost if they tried to put you on a ventilator. They knew way ahead this was a deadly ending. My heart goes out to all that lost loved ones on ventilators. The medical leaders who knew were threatened with losing their funding and ruined careers if went public. I have never had a flu shot and will never get a vaccine. It’s been 20+ years since I’ve had the flu. Maybe I’m lucky and focus on my immune system? I had Covid once and quickly got on ivermectin before they made it impossible to get. All I can say is, for me, it worked like a charm and my symptoms were gone in 5 days. I feel strongly the world did more damage by shutting things down. Both economically, mentally, and all the people that died who were not allowed medical care for other things that were needed.

[Bugface]

I'm completely lost on the folks insisting to get tested. I would hope if you are sick you will stay away from people regardless if it's Covid, flu, hepatitis, rhinovirus, whatever. Why keep giving money to the pharma companies for tests. If your sick you are sick.

If you are so sick you need a hospital they will test you.

The purpose of the test is to not only discover whether you have Covid, but to also find out if you are still contagious. You can still be contagious after you are symptom free. This protects others from getting Covid. I know a number of people who have died from Covid as well as many who suffer debilitating long term effects that have seriously impacted their quality of life. Having survived both cancer and an autoimmune condition, I appreciate every day of good health!

[mickey100]

Only response I can come up with is who cares?

It always puzzles me why some people feel the need to make such a comment. The people who do care will comment, the ones who don't care will scroll on by like they usually do. I guess condescension comes naturally to some people and feeds their tiny ego.

[defrey12]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

It’s not a lie that masks do NOTHING.

[mickey100]

The purpose of the test is to not only discover whether you have Covid, but to also find out if you are still contagious. You can still be contagious after you are symptom free. This protects others from getting Covid. I know a number of people who have died from Covid as well as many who suffer debilitating long term effects that have seriously impacted their quality of life. Having survived both cancer and an autoimmune condition, I appreciate every day of good health!

Same here. We have a relative who had covid 3 years ago and still has long term effects that have seriously impaired their quality of life. Like someone else said, it's NOT the flu, it's NOT a cold. The sooner you find out you have it, you can get treatment, and you can avoid giving it to someone else. I think it's called basic human consideration, which this country seems to find in short supply these days.

[defrey12]

You are embarrassing yourself.

No, he’s pretty much summed it up…

[defrey12]

Not seeing anything embarrassing about that post.

Me either. Some have a hard time the truth though…

[golfing eagles]

I have life long friends who have been heading a medical research in CA after a career heading a chicago hospital. They warned all their personal friends to walk out of a hospital at all cost if they tried to put you on a ventilator. They knew way ahead this was a deadly ending. My heart goes out to all that lost loved ones on ventilators. The medical leaders who knew were threatened with losing their funding and ruined careers if went public. I have never had a flu shot and will never get a vaccine. It’s been 20+ years since I’ve had the flu. Maybe I’m lucky and focus on my immune system? I had Covid once and quickly got on ivermectin before they made it impossible to get. All I can say is, for me, it worked like a charm and my symptoms were gone in 5 days. I feel strongly the world did more damage by shutting things down. Both economically, mentally, and all the people that died who were not allowed medical care for other things that were needed.

I was going to pass, but there is so much misinformation in that post that I feel compelled to set the record straight.

First of all, your "lifelong friends who have been heading medical research in CA after a career heading a Chicago hospital." cannot possibly believe what was posted about mechanical ventilation. Why invent it in the first place? And nobody's life was ever saved by ventilatory support? Everyone put on a respirator dies??? What a load of nonsense. Now, in all fairness, once a person is sick enough to require a ventilator, their prognosis has taken a nosedive anyway. End stage type 2 COPD (so called blue bloaters) often survive multiple intubations, type 1 (pink puffers) almost always succumb. Bottom line, survivability of a period of mechanical ventilation is highly dependent on the reason for intubation and the underlying condition of the patient. IT IS FAR FROM 100% FATAL.

Second, COVID symptoms that "were gone in 5 days" probably had nothing to do with the snake oil (I mean ivermectin) that was taken, they most likely would have resolved on their own like most cases of COVID.

Thirdly, go ahead and don't take any vaccines. But realize you are getting the same preventative medical care for infectious disease as the residents of Europe circa 1342.

Lastly, I have to agree that shutting down the world economies was detrimental and far from the solution. Let's hope our officials never lead us down that road again.

[shirleyjerez]

i got it yesterday totally fine

[Altavia]

In case of interest - here's the currently circulating respiratory pathogens detected by a widely used infectious disease diagnostic system.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends (https://syndromictrends.com/?fbclid=IwAR0AsaY2x3adIgpeTgCNj0hz-Q56Q9pMpkvTxSy3Kd23KBoDTObdezOmmg0)

[frayedends]

The purpose of the test is to not only discover whether you have Covid, but to also find out if you are still contagious. You can still be contagious after you are symptom free. This protects others from getting Covid. I know a number of people who have died from Covid as well as many who suffer debilitating long term effects that have seriously impacted their quality of life. Having survived both cancer and an autoimmune condition, I appreciate every day of good health!

But current guidance says to stay home for 5 days from symptom onset. It doesn’t say keep testing.

[Bugface]

But current guidance says to stay home for 5 days from symptom onset. It doesn’t say keep testing.

Unfortunately the purpose of that guidance was to keep the economy running and people working. It usually takes twice that length of time to not be contagious and the only way to know for sure is to test.

[Cliff Fr]

A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.

[TeresaE]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Covid tests miss as many times as they pop positive. So if you’re sick, assume you’re contagious with whatever (Covid, Influenza, the crud), skip the test, stay home or go to the doctor and get meds if warranted and leave the rest of us to live our lives in peace And get that mask off your face, especially outside. All those do is collect germs for you to breathe back in.

[golfing eagles]

A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.

And my barber's girlfriend's cousin's dog walker's plumber said the opposite :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Oneiric]

No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.
Not all is straightforward in life. I got AFIB from a COVID vaccine, not the virus.
One time ablation was needed for resolution.

[coconutmama]

I'm in Europe at this moment. Nobody is dying, no masks, nobody coughing and hacking, everything normal.

People get sick all the time. Every cough and cold is not Covid.

How can you be sure a cough is not Covid? Check the date. It's only December. The primaries are still months away!

Our friends flew back from Ireland in September. Picked up Covid on the way home. How do they know? Timeline. Tested. Not a cold or flu. Was Covid.

We returned via Miami airport 2 weeks ago. We came down with Covid 2-3 days later. How do we know we got it on the plane? The man seated next to us was obviously ill. We are now doing ok. But husband still has some taste & minor breathing issues. Glad we had our vaccines as we firmly believe that helps keep symptoms mild.

Has nothing to do with politics but the hard heads will claim that is so. Believe what you want but take precautions if you can, especially in our age group or if you have health issues. Just common sense.

[jrref]

The purpose of the test is to not only discover whether you have Covid, but to also find out if you are still contagious. You can still be contagious after you are symptom free. This protects others from getting Covid. I know a number of people who have died from Covid as well as many who suffer debilitating long term effects that have seriously impacted their quality of life. Having survived both cancer and an autoimmune condition, I appreciate every day of good health!

This is what most people don't realize. Because many just get mild symptoms we forget those many who either have bad symptoms and long term illness or even die from Covid. We know people who had a mild case of Covid the first time then died the second time. I hear many stories of people who have a mild case of Covid and still go out and do their normal business spreading it to everyone. But as you mentioned, if you don't test your symptoms could go away but you are still contagous and spreading it to people you come in contact with and this is the big problem. The people who don't take Covid seriously are not going to be satisfied until we all start dying from it again and hopefully that doesn't happen.

[ElDiabloJoe]

YAY! Someone with a brain…who isn’t afraid to use it.

I know I'm not the brightest - I have met people who floor me with their brilliance, but my brain was at least enough to get a Mensa membership some years ago.

[SHIBUMI]

This is a popular opinion of those who didn't die. Those that did might argue the fact. Play it safe get a shot......in this way your opinion will continue to get heard.................govt. still provides 4 free covid tests...........dont blame them for your negligence...........protect yourself.......


Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)

[Caymus]

I know I'm not the brightest - I have met people who floor me with their brilliance, but my brain was at least enough to get a Mensa membership some years ago.

How much? I can get a MENSA Certificate online for $12.:jester:

Member Certificate - Layout 1 (https://mensastore.com/products/member-certificate-layout-1)

[fdpaq0580]

And, wash your hands, often.

[Pennyt]

Sitting in a hospice unit now. Nurses advised they are now being advised they have to accept Covid patients. One came in yesterday and passed away the same day. Some people get over it easily but some don't. I'll wear a n94 mask and take the vaccine. As we age the risk rises. True of the flu AND true of COVID. I don't want to risk my life knowing I didn't do whatever I could. So if I'm in a crowded situation I'll protect myself. If I have any symptoms I will stay home.

[airstreamingypsy]

This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back in our own home! Take care.

I'm sorry, you got it, but do you think going inside Walgreens is a good idea? That's how you spread it....... I can't imagine going inside a store risking everyone in there.

[Velvet]

A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.

I believe you. The vaccine is not supposed to prevent you from getting Covid (in my understanding) but to prevent you from dying and to allow you quality of life afterwards.

[Topspinmo]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?


So how do you feel about it was created in lab?

[Velvet]

Oh look another humbug person just what we need . You must be in need of attention .
Your reply to people who our sick showing no compassion says a lot . The poor people caught Covid and were sick . I feel sorry and embarrassed by you .

Fear and denial is a typical ostrich head-in-the-sand response. It is a visceral response and no amount of logic (or shaming) is going to help.

[Marine1974]

Only response I can come up with is who cares?
Majority of people who are decent compassionate people who care
about others , care . Hope you don’t get Covid and have others say “who cares “.

[Pegasusprt]

It's so easy to fool people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been fooled.

[Marine1974]

It always puzzles me why some people feel the need to make such a comment. The people who do care will comment, the ones who don't care will scroll on by like they usually do. I guess condescension comes naturally to some people and feeds their tiny ego.
Well said , if they are not capable of having compassion for their fellow man you wonder what kind of life they lead . Sad

[Whitley]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.

[DPWM21]

Agree. It’s a ‘me’ culture too often.

[mikeycereal]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

Awesome post, thank you. :clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

It's sad that people would rather watch bloggers ranting and raving about something they have no experience in and then choose to follow the lies. A vaccine thread always turns silly so I love to see the straight truth told.

[mikeycereal]

Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Lottoguy]

Start getting chills on the plane from Iceland and then developed the cough on our stop in Boston. Probably got it in Scotland where we stayed for one week. We were there for a funeral.

[kendi]

Oh look another humbug person just what we need . You must be in need of attention .
Your reply to people who our sick showing no compassion says a lot . The poor people caught Covid and were sick . I feel sorry and embarrassed by you .

Hmmm 🤔. The person is simply stating their perspective on how the virus manifests in society. I don’t see anything in that post indicating they do not feel compassion for those who who get sick and/or die. Or for their families.

[Lottoguy]

In my post I told you I tested postive. Walgreens has the less then one hour result for $19.00.

[Lottoguy]

I followed the procedure that Walgreens tells you when you make the appointment for the test. I did wear a MASK when I entered the store and also while waiting to get tested. The drive thru is not used for testing like it was two years ago when you needed a negative result in order to take a cruise.

[Velvet]

I followed the procedure that Walgreens tells you when you make the appointment for the test. I did wear a MASK when I entered the store and also while waiting to get tested. The drive thru is not used for testing like it was two years ago when you needed a negative result in order to take a cruise.

Well of course you did! How do you know if you have Covid if you do not get tested? Also it is recommended to start treatment as early as possible for it to be most effective. So you did the most logical thing. Now for people who do not believe in Covid or think it was made up by big Pharma in the first place, I understand that they can’t see why you did it.

[Whitley]

Well said. If I could find the clapping smilies, you would have had at least 3 of them.

Many doctors with "real world experience" as well as health departments of other countries have arrived at different conclusions concerning the shot and it's safety. In the US, health officials recommend that everyone over the age of 6 months receives the latest annual covid-19 vaccine, while the UK and other European countries are restricting it to older or vulnerable people. I would propose all reconsider their attitude and treatment of others who disagree with you.

[Snprentice]

So true

[Pachine58]

Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.

[Velvet]

Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.

When life expectancy was 33 years old? Heck, they didn’t even need a 55 plus retirement community!

[fdpaq0580]

It's so easy to fool people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been fooled.

You show wisdom.

[Hifred]

Sorry to hear you have afib. Hope your ablation went well. Afib is rare after a covid vaccination. A total of 2611 events of AF were reported after COVID-19 vaccination, of which, 315 were new-onset AF. As of January 7, 2022, a total of 523.12 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered, making the incidence of atrial fibrillation around 5 per million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered.

[fdpaq0580]

Sitting in a hospice unit now. Nurses advised they are now being advised they have to accept Covid patients. One came in yesterday and passed away the same day. Some people get over it easily but some don't. I'll wear a n94 mask and take the vaccine. As we age the risk rises. True of the flu AND true of COVID. I don't want to risk my life knowing I didn't do whatever I could. So if I'm in a crowded situation I'll protect myself. If I have any symptoms I will stay home.

Good, reasonable, rational advice for one and all. Thanks, Penny

[manaboutown]

Got my booster yesterday. Several people I knew died from Covid. Others now suffer from Long Covid.

[fdpaq0580]

Hmmm 🤔. The person is simply stating their perspective on how the virus manifests in society. I don’t see anything in that post indicating they do not feel compassion for those who who get sick and/or die. Or for their families.

Respectfully disagree. Marine1974 response was to Eldiablo whose whole first paragraph was ridiculing folks who actually take their health and efforts to protect it seriously. To me, that indicates lack of compassion.
Read both again and see if you come away with a different opinion.

[fdpaq0580]

Got my booster yesterday. Several people I knew died from Covid. Others now suffer from Long Covid.

You are a smartmanaboutown!

[Whitley]

Unfortunately the purpose of that guidance was to keep the economy running and people working. It usually takes twice that length of time to not be contagious and the only way to know for sure is to test.

Those who are at risk need to take precautions. Since they took some parts I was fond of many years back (including part of my lung), I do what I must to be as safe as possible. I would never ask to shut down the economy for me and those with issues such as I have. There should be no arguing, name calling, insulting each other. Take care of yourself. If you think a mask helps, go for it. Same with the shot.

[fdpaq0580]

Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.

Eat what you like. I prefer omnivore. Hope you won't mind.

[frayedends]

I believe you. The vaccine is not supposed to prevent you from getting Covid (in my understanding) but to prevent you from dying and to allow you quality of life afterwards.

You know when they started saying it's not meant to prevent you from getting Covid? After they found out it doesn't prevent you from getting Covid. I had a lot of friends lose their career over not getting a vaccine that, ultimately, was found to not prevent infection nor transmission.

Being someone with a bit of biology background, I'd also argue that it has become less virulent as a normal evolutionary trait of viruses, rather than vaccines having any effect. I know a few unvaccinated that have gotten Covid recently and their symptoms were about the same as vaccinated.

[frayedends]

When life expectancy was 33 years old? Heck, they didn’t even need a 55 plus retirement community!

I reversed my Type 2 pre-diabetes. I corrected my hypertension. I corrected my high cholesterol. All from keto/carnivore diet. When life expectency was 33 they didn't die from heart disease. They got eaten by lions and died from infections, or other non cardiac events.

[Whitley]

Sitting in a hospice unit now. Nurses advised they are now being advised they have to accept Covid patients. One came in yesterday and passed away the same day. Some people get over it easily but some don't. I'll wear a n94 mask and take the vaccine. As we age the risk rises. True of the flu AND true of COVID. I don't want to risk my life knowing I didn't do whatever I could. So if I'm in a crowded situation I'll protect myself. If I have any symptoms I will stay home.

Excellent Attitude. I fail to see how anyone could criticize you for your view. My doctors and I decided against the shot, you decide to get it, God Bless. Stay Safe and be happy.

[Whitley]

This is a popular opinion of those who didn't die. Those that did might argue the fact. Play it safe get a shot......in this way your opinion will continue to get heard.................govt. still provides 4 free covid tests...........dont blame them for your negligence...........protect yourself.......

Rich, my business partner died at 58. Never had a heart issue prior to the covid shots and every booster that came out. He was fanatical about being first in line to get every shot available. Cardiologist saw some previously undiagnosed issue and scheduled him for an outpatient test. His wife was out of state so I went with him to the hosp. He never came out. Not alive. Saying "stay safe avoid the shot" would be as dishonest as saying "stay safe everyone get the shot". Take your specific variables into account and make your own choice.

[Velvet]

I reversed my Type 2 pre-diabetes. I corrected my hypertension. I corrected my high cholesterol. All from keto/carnivore diet. When life expectency was 33 they didn't die from heart disease. They got eaten by lions and died from infections, or other non cardiac events.

You corrected high cholesterol on a red meat diet? You a super human!

[Velvet]

And He also created us with the ability to think, to research, to help each other….

[ThirdOfFive]

It's so easy to fool people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been fooled.
True words. Much easier on the ego to seek out allies for your particular point of view than to admit to being bamboozled.

Extending that out a bit...what good does it do, really, to publicly cling to your fears no matter what? Of course COVID is real. So is chlamydia, leprosy, diabetes, flu, Alzheimer's, etc. etc. The best thing to do in all cases is to adopt a dispassionate approach, take common-sense precautions and go on with your life so far as you are able. Who really cares if everyone else agrees with you? But just from my own experience: I've seen a guy at Costco in Altamonte Springs go into screaming hysterics at the sight of another customer whose mask had slipped down below is nose, another guy at a supermarket back in Minnesota loudly and publicly berate the store manager for not completely sanitizing every grocery cart prior to it's next use, one guy in a foursome we were in long after mask-wearing became optional becoming upset because we were not wearing masks and he was, etc. etc. My daughter (a nurse in St. Paul, MN) knows several people who a couple of years back got themselves tested almost daily at medical facilities in the area (which were consequently so backed up with The Fearful that people who really did need medical help had to wait, sometimes to their significant detriment). But the one that most sticks in my mind was a guy I encountered at a driving range in May 2020. He had his son with him and they were going to hit some balls. The guy's son remained in the car while the guy, wearing a mask of course, went to the owner and demanded a spot on the range as far away from other patrons as possible. Not a problem because there were only a couple of other folks there, but until the guy got his wish his son remained in the car, and then both stayed as far away from other patrons as they could. I knew the owner and mentioned that it was kind of odd. The owner, who apparently knew the guy, said that that incident was nothing: the guy had kept his family basically sealed in their house since I believe February, doing all the shopping, providing homeschooling for the kids, etc. etc. The outing with his son was the first time the kid had been allowed out of the house in months.

I've often wondered if fear of COVID is/was at least as destructive, if not more so, than COVID itself. And people who are looking for allies to validate their own fear certainly aren't helping much.

[Dusty_Star]

True words. Much easier on the ego to seek out allies for your particular point of view than to admit to being bamboozled.

Extending that out a bit...what good does it do, really, to publicly cling to your fears no matter what? Of course COVID is real. So is chlamydia, leprosy, diabetes, flu, Alzheimer's, etc. etc. The best thing to do in all cases is to adopt a dispassionate approach, take common-sense precautions and go on with your life so far as you are able. Who really cares if everyone else agrees with you? But just from my own experience: I've seen a guy at Costco in Altamonte Springs go into screaming hysterics at the sight of another customer whose mask had slipped down below is nose, another guy at a supermarket back in Minnesota loudly and publicly berate the store manager for not completely sanitizing every grocery cart prior to it's next use, one guy in a foursome we were in long after mask-wearing became optional becoming upset because we were not wearing masks and he was, etc. etc. My daughter (a nurse in St. Paul, MN) knows several people who a couple of years back got themselves tested almost daily at medical facilities in the area (which were consequently so backed up with The Fearful that people who really did need medical help had to wait, sometimes to their significant detriment). But the one that most sticks in my mind was a guy I encountered at a driving range in May 2020. He had his son with him and they were going to hit some balls. The guy's son remained in the car while the guy, wearing a mask of course, went to the owner and demanded a spot on the range as far away from other patrons as possible. Not a problem because there were only a couple of other folks there, but until the guy got his wish his son remained in the car, and then both stayed as far away from other patrons as they could. I knew the owner and mentioned that it was kind of odd. The owner, who apparently knew the guy, said that that incident was nothing: the guy had kept his family basically sealed in their house since I believe February, doing all the shopping, providing homeschooling for the kids, etc. etc. The outing with his son was the first time the kid had been allowed out of the house in months.

I've often wondered if fear of COVID is/was at least as destructive, if not more so, than COVID itself. And people who are looking for allies to validate their own fear certainly aren't helping much.

Excellent post. The fear & anxiety in society was debilitating. I was sincerely hoping it was all over, for good. (At least for this time).

[Pat2015]

No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.
Go for it. Wear your mask and get shot #10. Covid is much like the flu and it’s not going anywhere. Hope the OP gets over it quickly.

[ffresh]

Many doctors with "real world experience" as well as health departments of other countries have arrived at different conclusions concerning the shot and it's safety. In the US, health officials recommend that everyone over the age of 6 months receives the latest annual covid-19 vaccine, while the UK and other European countries are restricting it to older or vulnerable people. I would propose all reconsider their attitude and treatment of others who disagree with you.

Choose the topic and you'll find the same reaction from MANY people. They cannot conceive of the possibility that they could be wrong :ohdear:

Fred

[frayedends]

You corrected high cholesterol on a red meat diet? You a super human!

I am not super human. Meat is not the problem. You must be living on old news. Sugar and carbs are the cause of most all our woes.

[ithos]

I reversed my Type 2 pre-diabetes. I corrected my hypertension. I corrected my high cholesterol. All from keto/carnivore diet. When life expectency was 33 they didn't die from heart disease. They got eaten by lions and died from infections, or other non cardiac events.

Your anecdotal claim is almost worthless just like every other person who espouses an opinion about a particular diet. That is why they do studies.

From the Journal of Cardiovascular Development and Disease
To conclude that animal-product-rich diets are healthy or efficacious in treating CVD would be erroneous based on the aforementioned literature. Additionally, animal-product-rich diets tend to impair vascular function [43,44], increase LDL cholesterol and inflammation compared to an isocaloric unprocessed high-carbohydrate diet [45], and reduce myocardial blood flow compared to a plant-based diet, which had the opposite effect [46]. The Impacts of Animal-Based Diets in Cardiovascular Disease Development: A Cellular and Physiological Overview - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10380617/)

There are truckloads of research validating the long term benefit of whole food plant based diets. Virtually none for the carnivore diet other than short term . But perhaps you can prove me wrong by going to pubmed.gov and finding it.

Watch this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg where Nina Teicholz (author of The Big Fat Surprise) is destroyed by research. She has virtually no valid credible scientific studies to back it up, just like Atkins.

[jimjamuser]

You mean you are really wearing a mask? Fair enough, judgement of stupid withheld 😂😂😂
Actually, I would add a comment that maybe a young person with ZERO debilitating conditions need not wear a mask in public. But, for older people that are not perfectly healthy (that want to continue living) they may choose to wear a mask when indoors around a crowd. On an aircraft with recirculating air seems to be especially dangerous, and boat cruises. And Florida is particularly bad because people from up north coming here can be carrying illness. And, personally, I think that if 80% of the people had gotten the last shot instead of a FRUSTRATINGLY low of 5%, then we might have finished off Covid. Instead, for all we know, it could change to a stronger variety. I wonder if other countries had greater than the US's 5% buy-in to receiving the latest shot?

[jimjamuser]

This Covid thing is awesome. I haven't heard of a case of the Flu, in over 3 years.
Actually, there was less flu in past 3 years because people avoided large indoor groups so as NOT to get Covid. And Covid killed off a lot of the people that did NOT believe in ANY shots

[SHIBUMI]

AMEN, sorry for your loss.........enough said


Rich, my business partner died at 58. Never had a heart issue prior to the covid shots and every booster that came out. He was fanatical about being first in line to get every shot available. Cardiologist saw some previously undiagnosed issue and scheduled him for an outpatient test. His wife was out of state so I went with him to the hosp. He never came out. Not alive. Saying "stay safe avoid the shot" would be as dishonest as saying "stay safe everyone get the shot". Take your specific variables into account and make your own choice.

[golfing eagles]

Actually, I would add a comment that maybe a young person with ZERO debilitating conditions need not wear a mask in public. But, for older people that are not perfectly healthy (that want to continue living) they may choose to wear a mask when indoors around a crowd. On an aircraft with recirculating air seems to be especially dangerous, and boat cruises. And Florida is particularly bad because people from up north coming here can be carrying illness. And, personally, I think that if 80% of the people had gotten the last shot instead of a FRUSTRATINGLY low of 5%, then we might have finished off Covid. Instead, for all we know, it could change to a stronger variety. I wonder if other countries had greater than the US's 5% buy-in to receiving the latest shot?

You're 100% correct about the types of people and the locations that would require protection. Unfortunately, the routine masks provide just about zero protection. A good N95 with the proper fit would help, but even that is far from 100% protection

[jimjamuser]

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?
Nice to see some raw truth-telling going on here in this forum.

[jimjamuser]

How about those Lions?!
Is that a reference about those LIONS in the ancient Roman stadiums? They win a lot.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)
The graph said that 1600 children died, not ZERO. And I think the problem is that they are STILL dying. They are somebodies grandchildren!

[Whitley]

Well of course you did! How do you know if you have Covid if you do not get tested? Also it is recommended to start treatment as early as possible for it to be most effective. So you did the most logical thing. Now for people who do not believe in Covid or think it was made up by big Pharma in the first place, I understand that they can’t see why you did it.

What do people get out of rallying against fictional views? I have seen no one say they do not believe in covid. I have never seen anyone say the original covid was created by big pharma. Such an attitude is worse tham jousting with windmills. It is like jousting at unicorns. They do not exist.

[jimjamuser]

Ignoring the Covid problem has NOT make it go away. So, what are we going to do, get 5% of the US population to take their shots FOREVER or will we SOMEDAY wake up and listen to medical experts and make it go away by universal shots?

[jimjamuser]

I have life long friends who have been heading a medical research in CA after a career heading a chicago hospital. They warned all their personal friends to walk out of a hospital at all cost if they tried to put you on a ventilator. They knew way ahead this was a deadly ending. My heart goes out to all that lost loved ones on ventilators. The medical leaders who knew were threatened with losing their funding and ruined careers if went public. I have never had a flu shot and will never get a vaccine. It’s been 20+ years since I’ve had the flu. Maybe I’m lucky and focus on my immune system? I had Covid once and quickly got on ivermectin before they made it impossible to get. All I can say is, for me, it worked like a charm and my symptoms were gone in 5 days. I feel strongly the world did more damage by shutting things down. Both economically, mentally, and all the people that died who were not allowed medical care for other things that were needed.
Interesting, I feel 180 degrees different than that.

[jimjamuser]

I was going to pass, but there is so much misinformation in that post that I feel compelled to set the record straight.

First of all, your "lifelong friends who have been heading medical research in CA after a career heading a Chicago hospital." cannot possibly believe what was posted about mechanical ventilation. Why invent it in the first place? And nobody's life was ever saved by ventilatory support? Everyone put on a respirator dies??? What a load of nonsense. Now, in all fairness, once a person is sick enough to require a ventilator, their prognosis has taken a nosedive anyway. End stage type 2 COPD (so called blue bloaters) often survive multiple intubations, type 1 (pink puffers) almost always succumb. Bottom line, survivability of a period of mechanical ventilation is highly dependent on the reason for intubation and the underlying condition of the patient. IT IS FAR FROM 100% FATAL.

Second, COVID symptoms that "were gone in 5 days" probably had nothing to do with the snake oil (I mean ivermectin) that was taken, they most likely would have resolved on their own like most cases of COVID.

Thirdly, go ahead and don't take any vaccines. But realize you are getting the same preventative medical care for infectious disease as the residents of Europe circa 1342.

Lastly, I have to agree that shutting down the world economies was detrimental and far from the solution. Let's hope our officials never lead us down that road again.
It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

[Whitley]

Interesting, I feel 180 degrees different than that.

And that's ok.

[golfing eagles]

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

Maybe. The usual paper masks probably did next to nothing.

There was an episode of the Netflix series "The Crown" in which smog was actually killing people in about 1953. The British government essentially declared a "mask mandate" for its citizens. In one scene, a member of the cabinet came into a meeting wearing a mask, and the prime minister told him "Take that ridiculous thing off, it does nothing---we only told the people to wear one so it looked like we were doing something about the smog"

Shutting things down probably had an indirect beneficial effect. The most effective mitigation of the pandemic prior to vaccines was social distancing of 6 feet or more---a closed venue accomplishes that, although with some overkill and deleterious economic impacts.

Hard to pin down a number of "lives saved" by these measures----after all, we have no idea of how many people died of Covid as opposed to with Covid.

[frayedends]

Your anecdotal claim is almost worthless just like every other person who espouses an opinion about a particular diet. That is why they do studies.

From the Journal of Cardiovascular Development and Disease
To conclude that animal-product-rich diets are healthy or efficacious in treating CVD would be erroneous based on the aforementioned literature. Additionally, animal-product-rich diets tend to impair vascular function [43,44], increase LDL cholesterol and inflammation compared to an isocaloric unprocessed high-carbohydrate diet [45], and reduce myocardial blood flow compared to a plant-based diet, which had the opposite effect [46]. The Impacts of Animal-Based Diets in Cardiovascular Disease Development: A Cellular and Physiological Overview - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10380617/)

There are truckloads of research validating the long term benefit of whole food plant based diets. Virtually none for the carnivore diet other than short term . But perhaps you can prove me wrong by going to pubmed.gov and finding it.

Watch this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg where Nina Teicholz (author of The Big Fat Surprise) is destroyed by research. She has virtually no valid credible scientific studies to back it up, just like Atkins.

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.

[frayedends]

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.

[Bill14564]

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

[golfing eagles]

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

Depending on their research, they may be wearing paper masks----but NOT to filter out viruses---more likely particulates, and even more likely so they don't sneeze/cough/drool into whatever they are working on

[frayedends]

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

LOL you have taken their drugs and their vaccines. But we do not wear masks for virus prevention. We wear masks to prevent BACTERIAL contamination. During the fill finish stage (the most sterile processing step) we wear masks for bacterial contamination for about 30 minutes and we have to leave to the air lock to change the mask because as soon as it is moist it is no longer effective. For viruses we have viral clearance steps that include pH adjustment buffers and filtration. In addition we do a myriad of viral testing on the final drug product.

Technology is getting better and our drug filling machines are now in what we call "isolators". They are sterilized with vaporized H2O2 (dangerous stuff if it gets out). Any human manipulations are done from outside with the big gloves attached to the isolator (picture a filling machine in a bubble like the bubble boy). Here's an example of a company making isolator tech. Cool stuff. ISOLATION TECHNOLOGY: Isolation Solutions for aseptic fill finish lines • IMA Group (https://ima.it/pharma/machine/isolation-technology/)

Just an FYI this is how EVERY company does it. I know what I'm talking about. Masks for viruses. Nope. So if you want to avoid the drugs from companies that do it my way, simple. You don't need to know my company. They all do it this way.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It’s not a lie that masks do NOTHING.

Jeez next time I'm sick as a dog like I was last week (with COVID) I'll make sure you come over to my house so I can cough in your face. Y'know - so you can take a video and prove that masks do nothing.

For everyone else - I isolated for a few days after testing positive, and called my doctor's office. They said as long as my temperature didn't go above 101 for a day or more, and I didn't experience difficulty breathing, I should just treat the symptoms and not worry about anti-virals or hospitalization. My temp topped off at 100.8 on the second-to-worst day. The worst day was the day after that, when my temp was "only" 99.8. I have a low-normal average temperature of 98.2, so 99.8 is still not good. I'm still coughing, but I don't feel like my 14-pound cat strapped herself to my chest anymore.

I was wearing a mask when I did go out - to protect OTHER people in case I needed to cough.

I was vaccinated the day that I first started noticing I had a headache. But I woke up with the headache, and didn't get vaccinated til mid-afternoon. The next day I was starting to feel sick. The day after that I tested positive.

BTW you can get 4 tests from the government again, free. If you live with another person you can get 8 total for the household.

[golfing eagles]

Jeez next time I'm sick as a dog like I was last week (with COVID) I'll make sure you come over to my house so I can cough in your face. Y'know - so you can take a video and prove that masks do nothing.

You already know that's different. The paper mask will help prevent you from spreading the virus to others, but does very little to protect yourself from them.

[ithos]

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.

those folks either look deathly skinny and sick
You mean like Novak Djokovic?
Novak Djokovic's plant-based lifestyle: The dietary secrets behind Wimbledon legend's success | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-12282771/Novak-Djokovic-plant-based-vegan-diet.html)

One of the foundations of the Serb's record-breaking success is his plant-based diet, which he has credited with helping to elevate his performance levels.

Whole food carbs such as sweet potatoes and beans are some of the most nutritious food choices on the planet. But yes processed carbs and sugar are bad.
Meat causes insulin insensitivity which is the precursor to diabetes. It is extremely rare for a person on a WFPB diet to have a bad A1C level.

[mickey100]

All I know is, there are people who aren't getting vaccinated, and they are going to be carriers. I hope i don't end up sitting next to them at a mah jong table or playing cards. I was sitting next to some fool at pickleball who was bragging about how he had never gotten vaccinated. Seriously? You can bet I won't be sitting next to him on a bench again either.

[NavyVet]

I got a Covid booster 2 weeks ago. The reason is if I get the virus, I would definitely want it to be a mild case versus getting seriously ill or dying. I have always been susceptible to respiratory issues. Every cold, flu, strep throat, etc. I've ever had has always turned into a bout of Bronchitis. I know the vaccine won't prevent me from catching Covid, I just don't want to be miserably sick. I had Covid once in 2021; mainly sore throat, a cough, and lost sense of smell for a week. I think I felt feverish for 1 day. Yes, I ended up with bronchitis again, but a round of antibiotics knocked that out. So, for me it is worth it. I get my flu shot every year and also had the pneumonia and shingles vax. I protect my health as best I can.
Since the pandemic first started, I have not had a cold or flu. I think the key to that is avoiding crowded public places.

Also, here are a couple of facts about Ivermectin:
Is Ivermectin Approved to Treat COVID-19?
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin to treat or prevent the illness caused by the coronavirus.

In animals, ivermectin can help prevent heartworm disease and certain parasites.
It’s dangerous for humans to take any drug made for animals, including ivermectin. A dose meant for a big animal like a horse or cow (which can weigh 2,000 pounds or more) can be toxic for a person. Also, some of the inactive ingredients in an animal medication might not be safe for people.

[bsloan1960]

So how do you feel about it was created in lab? You have introduced an argument that has nothing to do with the fact that Covid has killed millions compared to "Colds" and Flu as some have ignorantly compared it. You introduced this question about the lab in order to take the topic down a silly side street.

[bsloan1960]

Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.I haven't told you what I believe. That is what most others have done. I told you what I experienced in the REAL WORLD on the Front Lines. Your inability to see my daily experience in my detailed comment tells me you will cling to your opinion even in the face of someone holding experiential facts up to your face.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe. The usual paper masks probably did next to nothing.

There was an episode of the Netflix series "The Crown" in which smog was actually killing people in about 1953. The British government essentially declared a "mask mandate" for its citizens. In one scene, a member of the cabinet came into a meeting wearing a mask, and the prime minister told him "Take that ridiculous thing off, it does nothing---we only told the people to wear one so it looked like we were doing something about the smog"

Shutting things down probably had an indirect beneficial effect. The most effective mitigation of the pandemic prior to vaccines was social distancing of 6 feet or more---a closed venue accomplishes that, although with some overkill and deleterious economic impacts.

Hard to pin down a number of "lives saved" by these measures----after all, we have no idea of how many people died of Covid as opposed to with Covid.
I agree, especially that the social distance of 6 ft was logical and probably saved many lives.

[jimjamuser]

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.
I believe that statistically the thinner a person is the longer they live. I would guess that it is because the heart and other organs can better do their functions.

[jimjamuser]

You know when they started saying it's not meant to prevent you from getting Covid? After they found out it doesn't prevent you from getting Covid. I had a lot of friends lose their career over not getting a vaccine that, ultimately, was found to not prevent infection nor transmission.

Being someone with a bit of biology background, I'd also argue that it has become less virulent as a normal evolutionary trait of viruses, rather than vaccines having any effect. I know a few unvaccinated that have gotten Covid recently and their symptoms were about the same as vaccinated.
The vaccine DID accomplish its purpose to prevent the spread and severity of Covid. it was the most successful vaccine in history. Obviously, even the best is not perfect.

[bsloan1960]

Many doctors with "real world experience" as well as health departments of other countries have arrived at different conclusions concerning the shot and it's safety. In the US, health officials recommend that everyone over the age of 6 months receives the latest annual covid-19 vaccine, while the UK and other European countries are restricting it to older or vulnerable people. I would propose all reconsider their attitude and treatment of others who disagree with you.
They are in a minute minority.

[jimjamuser]

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.
I don't understand how wearing a mask could mess up a high school student mentally since that was likely the RULE for the WHOLE school. Early in the Pandemic I would wear a mask to go food shopping and other shopping. Most over 60 people were wearing masks so I did NOT feel out of place in any way. Most people younger than 40 did NOT wear masks and that was OK also because Covid was only minimally affecting that younger group. High school is full of lots of peer pressure and wildly fluctuating endorphins. Those factors would seem to overpower a trivial thing like wearing a mask especially when they were required for a period in schools. The main objective of a school is to provide a safe place to learn. AT that time masks were needed for safety.

[Andyb]

Colds and flu are no more, follow the money and it will tell why.

[Andyb]

All I know is, there are people who aren't getting vaccinated, and they are going to be carriers. I hope i don't end up sitting next to them at a mah jong table or playing cards. I was sitting next to some fool at pickleball who was bragging about how he had never gotten vaccinated. Seriously? You can bet I won't be sitting next to him on a bench again either.
The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

[JMintzer]

Well of course you did! How do you know if you have Covid if you do not get tested? Also it is recommended to start treatment as early as possible for it to be most effective. So you did the most logical thing. Now for people who do not believe in Covid or think it was made up by big Pharma in the first place, I understand that they can’t see why you did it.

Good thing no one on this thread is stating that "they don't believe in Covid" or that it was "made up by Big Pharma"...

They are simply stating their opinions of the efficacy of the vaccine...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

Colds and flu are no more, follow the money and it will tell why.

Interesting you would have both opinions. Colds and the flu aren't "no more." There are still people who get the flu, and people who catch colds.

So I'll repeat the statement you gave to someone else, as quoted above:

The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

[JMintzer]

Actually, there was less flu in past 3 years because people avoided large indoor groups so as NOT to get Covid. And Covid killed off a lot of the people that did NOT believe in ANY shots

Yet people keep getting Covid... It's Ponderous, I tell ya'... Ponderous!

[JMintzer]

Nice to see some raw truth-telling going on here in this forum.

That is what is known as "anecdotal evidence"...

[JMintzer]

The graph said that 1600 children died, not ZERO. And I think the problem is that they are STILL dying. They are somebodies grandchildren!

More have died from the Flu/RSV in the same period...

[JMintzer]

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

Fantasy...

[JMintzer]

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Interesting theory, but I beg to differ...

My daughter was a Kindergarten teacher during Covid. She saw kids with ZERO socialization skills. She had to spend the first two/three months teaching the kids HOW to go to school. It usually took 2-3 weeks...

That wasn't the parent's fault. They weren't allowed to socialize their children...

Add to that, remote learning didn't help at all...

[JMintzer]

You can't get a shot unless it has been approved by the CDC. But, if ONE person has a bad reaction to a shot, the anti-American news media has a field day with it by blaming current government for everything medical.

"Emergency Approval"... Look it up...

[JMintzer]

All I know is, there are people who aren't getting vaccinated, and they are going to be carriers. I hope i don't end up sitting next to them at a mah jong table or playing cards. I was sitting next to some fool at pickleball who was bragging about how he had never gotten vaccinated. Seriously? You can bet I won't be sitting next to him on a bench again either.

Vaccinated people are carriers, as well...

[JMintzer]

I got a Covid booster 2 weeks ago. The reason is if I get the virus, I would definitely want it to be a mild case versus getting seriously ill or dying. I have always been susceptible to respiratory issues. Every cold, flu, strep throat, etc. I've ever had has always turned into a bout of Bronchitis. I know the vaccine won't prevent me from catching Covid, I just don't want to be miserably sick. I had Covid once in 2021; mainly sore throat, a cough, and lost sense of smell for a week. I think I felt feverish for 1 day. Yes, I ended up with bronchitis again, but a round of antibiotics knocked that out. So, for me it is worth it. I get my flu shot every year and also had the pneumonia and shingles vax. I protect my health as best I can.
Since the pandemic first started, I have not had a cold or flu. I think the key to that is avoiding crowded public places.

Also, here are a couple of facts about Ivermectin:
Is Ivermectin Approved to Treat COVID-19?
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin to treat or prevent the illness caused by the coronavirus.

In animals, ivermectin can help prevent heartworm disease and certain parasites.
It’s dangerous for humans to take any drug made for animals, including ivermectin. A dose meant for a big animal like a horse or cow (which can weigh 2,000 pounds or more) can be toxic for a person. Also, some of the inactive ingredients in an animal medication might not be safe for people.

Ivermectin was initially developed for HUMANS. Just like the majority of vetrinary medications...

It's still used in humans daily...

[Bill14564]

Interesting theory, but I beg to differ...

My daughter was a Kindergarten teacher during Covid. She saw kids with ZERO socialization skills. She had to spend the first two/three months teaching the kids HOW to go to school. It usually took 2-3 weeks...

That wasn't the parent's fault. They weren't allowed to socialize their children...

Add to that, remote learning didn't help at all...

How do kindergartners learn to go to school normally before they go to school? And 2-3 whole weeks? Yeah, that sounds like what I was responding to.

[JMintzer]

Interesting you would have both opinions. Colds and the flu aren't "no more." There are still people who get the flu, and people who catch colds.

So I'll repeat the statement you gave to someone else, as quoted above:

The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

Per the CDC:

Flu cases in the US

2019/2020: 35,000,000

** Estimates are not available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity.

2021/2022: 9,400,000

Is that "Truth" enough for you?

Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html)

[Velvet]

Good thing no one on this thread is stating that "they don't believe in Covid" or that it was "made up by Big Pharma"...

They are simply stating their opinions of the efficacy of the vaccine...

Yes, actually, I have a son-in-law who really thinks like that. He doesn’t try (any more ) to change my opinion and I don’t try to change his.

[Bill14564]

Ivermectin was initially developed for HUMANS. Just like the majority of vetrinary medications...

It's still used in humans daily...

It appears the initial use of Ivermectin was for livestock in 1981. It seems to have been approved for HUMAN use in 1987.

[frayedends]

Yes, actually, I have a son-in-law who really thinks like that. He doesn’t try (any more ) to change my opinion and I don’t try to change his.

It's pretty clear that it was created in a lab in Wuhan. Not big pharma, but more of a bioweapon. Hopefully they realize they can't contain such a weapon.

[frayedends]

I don't understand how wearing a mask could mess up a high school student mentally since that was likely the RULE for the WHOLE school. Early in the Pandemic I would wear a mask to go food shopping and other shopping. Most over 60 people were wearing masks so I did NOT feel out of place in any way. Most people younger than 40 did NOT wear masks and that was OK also because Covid was only minimally affecting that younger group. High school is full of lots of peer pressure and wildly fluctuating endorphins. Those factors would seem to overpower a trivial thing like wearing a mask especially when they were required for a period in schools. The main objective of a school is to provide a safe place to learn. AT that time masks were needed for safety.

Masks never did anything to lower transmission. He never was able to go to school in person senior year. He was isolated and had to cover his face whenever he was out. That messes with a young adults head. My kid, being in high school, got over it. But many young kids were totally screwed. They had daycare kids wearing masks. The people that implemented and enforced that need to be put in jail for abuse as far as I'm concerned.

[frayedends]

The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

Andy is 100% correct. It has been completely shown that the vaccine do not lower infection nor transmission. The argument that it lessens severity is open to debate as well. But even my super woke pro-vax, fire you if you don't have the vax company, has seen the light and lifted the vaccine mandate. Unfortunately the folks that lost their careers won't be hired back.

Apart from that, a short story of my brother in-law during Covid. He was super sick with some sort of lung infection. Tested negative for Covid 5 times. They still put his diagnosis as Covid because nothing else was found. He was close to death, maybe 2 weeks, when a doctor that happened to be from Georgia saw him and found made a connection. He had a lung parasite found in warmer climates, including Georgia. He had been in that state to visit a dead relative's grave. He planted flowers at the grave and picked up the bug. A simple anti-parasite treatment and he got better. It was seriously like an episode of House. But if he died, it would have been called a Covid death.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How do kindergartners learn to go to school normally before they go to school? And 2-3 whole weeks? Yeah, that sounds like what I was responding to.

Imagine all those adults whose parents home schooled them, back in the 1960's and 1970's. They didn't get to attend any actual school at all. But somehow - they managed to become socialized by the time they were ready for adulthood.

[frayedends]

The facts and studies show your statement is totally incorrect. You have been misinformed. Please seek the truth.

Imagine all those adults whose parents home schooled them, back in the 1960's and 1970's. They didn't get to attend any actual school at all. But somehow - they managed to become socialized by the time they were ready for adulthood.

Respectfully, they were still able to socialize outside of school. During Covid no one was outside. Apart from that, and I don't mean to sound derogatory, we always found the home schooled kids to be a bit, well, socially awkward.

[dhdallas]

This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back in our own home! Take care.

Yawn...here we go again with Fear Factor 2! No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. There is no cure so why get tested? If you feel sick, then stay home & have some chicken soup until you feel better. I would never get the it-might-work-sometimes vaccine, never worn a mask unless a store forced me to, and have been just fine. Thank goodness we still have DeSantis in office! At least he is one Governor with some common sense in how we approach COVID (as in NO mandates)!

[goldseekur]

Yawn...here we go again with Fear Factor 2! No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. There is no cure so why get tested? If you feel sick, then stay home & have some chicken soup until you feel better. I would never get the it-might-work-sometimes vaccine, never worn a mask unless a store forced me to, and have been just fine. Thank goodness we still have DeSantis in office! At least he is one Governor with some common sense in how we approach COVID (as in NO mandates)!

Until you had 6 of your friends and your father die from this horrible thing, you will NEVER be able to understand. Until you have to go thought the experience of not being able to be with one of your family before they die because they have COVID, you will NEVER understand. Until you can not bury your loved one for some time after they die, because they had COVID, you will NEVER understand.

That being said I hope that you will NEVER have to go through that experience but I guarantee that if you DO go through that, you WILL become a believer that it is real and stop.

And if you do get COVID [one of the bad cases] I'm sure you will be thankful for those people who work in hospitals, who are there to help you, even though you did NOTHING to help yourself because ,”it's just some conspiracy thing”. How would you feel if they simple said, as some of you have commented in previous post Let's hope the person who is helping you doesn't have the same philosophy as you and laugh and say it's just a “Political thing”

For those of you who laugh and make fun of wearing a mask, how about thinking of someone else besides yourself. Yes the right type of mask is to protect you but it is also to protect others from getting COVID from you. You may just be one of the lucky ones who didn't get it, but you may be a carrier so try to think of someone besides yourself for a change!

[Eagles8]

It’s a Cold , 4 years ago did everyone run around telling people they had a cold? The masks don’t do diddly but if it makes u “feel”better have at it.

[golfing eagles]

It’s a Cold , 4 years ago did everyone run around telling people they had a cold? The masks don’t do diddly but if it makes u “feel”better have at it.

It's a cold???? When was the last time millions died of (or even with) a "cold". COVID is a serious virus, especially among vulnerable individuals. No, it's not Ebola or Lassa fever, but it is not to be taken lightly either. As far as masks go, you're right in that they do very little to protect the individual wearing them. But when groups of people are gathered together, they do reduce the transmission of the virus from those infected to those that aren't. It's probably better to have groups of people in close proximity wear a mask than to close down economies again.

[mlmarr]

This Covid thing is awesome. I haven't heard of a case of the Flu, in over 3 years.

isn't it amazing .. but there are plenty of adverse reactions to the spike proteins in the vac/bodies.

[Sabella]

You mean you are really wearing a mask? Fair enough, judgement of stupid withheld 😂😂😂

The flu?

[mickey100]

Vaccinated people are carriers, as well...

Scientific studies have shown that vaccinated people were significantly less likely to transmit the virus.

[Andyb]

There is something you can do about it, go to the FLCCC Frontline Doctors site, they had a 99.9% survival rate treating COV!D, and have protocols treating the spike protein and detoxing from COV!D and the jab. Are you sure it was COV!D and not the jab that caused your Diabetes?

[ThirdOfFive]

Maybe. The usual paper masks probably did next to nothing.

There was an episode of the Netflix series "The Crown" in which smog was actually killing people in about 1953. The British government essentially declared a "mask mandate" for its citizens. In one scene, a member of the cabinet came into a meeting wearing a mask, and the prime minister told him "Take that ridiculous thing off, it does nothing---we only told the people to wear one so it looked like we were doing something about the smog"

Shutting things down probably had an indirect beneficial effect. The most effective mitigation of the pandemic prior to vaccines was social distancing of 6 feet or more---a closed venue accomplishes that, although with some overkill and deleterious economic impacts.

Hard to pin down a number of "lives saved" by these measures----after all, we have no idea of how many people died of Covid as opposed to with Covid.
Bingo. Which in my opinion those "statistics" showing COVID mowing down vast swathes of people are just a bit suspect.

Case in point: we knew a guy who was hospitalized with COVID only a few months after we moved here, where he died. The thing was, it was a heart attack that killed him, not COVID. He was at least 100 lbs. overweight and (in my wife's opinion) looked to be unhealthy. I spoke to him by phone the day before he died and was looking forward to getting out of the hospital. But what are the odds that "cause of death" as listed by the hospital was NOT a heart attack, but COVID?

That is admittedly only one incident, which proves nothing one way or the other. But knowing human nature...how many influential folks in this country, leaders, epidemiologists and the like, put their collective butts on the line loudly and publicly agonizing about the sky that was about to fall, and then when it didn't, made sure that the statistics backed up their public claims at least somewhat? If your job depends on you being believed, then my guess is probably quite a few.

[golfing eagles]

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If your job depends on you being believed, then my guess is probably quite a few.

Bingo. Exactly the same as this global warming nonsense.

[golfing eagles]

There is something you can do about it, go to the FLCCC Frontline Doctors site, they had a 99.9% survival rate treating COV!D, and have protocols treating the spike protein and detoxing from COV!D and the jab. Are you sure it was COV!D and not the jab that caused your Diabetes?

I could, but I'd rather sit in my backyard and watch a nail rust.