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Papa_lecki
12-23-2023, 07:59 AM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

Randall55
12-23-2023, 10:08 AM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?
Classifying STRs as lodging seems to be logical since the homes are not solely used for residential use. It clearly establishes STRS for what they are - a business!

Will it stop STRs? Probably not. There will always be some who find renting homes for a day or two in a resort area or near family is better than staying in a distant hotel/motel. They will be willing to pay extra for the convenience.

BrianL99
12-23-2023, 10:24 AM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?


Probably not. Essentially, Florida law prohibits counties from treating STR's any differently than traditional residential homes.

That's a bit of an over simplification, but basically the situation in my opinion.

Sounds like a great idea, but the Florida legislature would never go for it. "Rentals" are what runs the Florida's economy.

Decadeofdave
12-23-2023, 10:41 AM
Fla. No, Colorado out of control.

blueash
12-23-2023, 01:16 PM
Interesting proposal. The Colorado bill defines short term as fewer than 30 days per rental period. And defines homes to be taxed at a higher rate as those with more than 90 days per year rented short term.

So if you only offer rental periods of 31 days or longer this would not impact you. And you could have up to 89 short term rental days as well.

Obviously this would be a compliance problem as Americans too often feel no obligation to not lie to tax authorities. There will be so many homes only rented 85 or 88 short term days if you believe the home owners' paperwork submitted.

retiredguy123
12-23-2023, 01:28 PM
Raising the property tax to discourage short term rentals seems like a very unenforceable and ineffective way to accomplish the goal. Why not just require these owners to buy a special business license, and be subject to state inspections. They would also be subject to the Florida license online complaint system, where they could be fined or lose their license for violating the license rules.

Two Bills
12-23-2023, 01:29 PM
So if a home has 5 registered owners, could each rent for a period under the tax threshold period, and all avoid higher tax rate all together, over whole year of short term rental? :shrug:

golfing eagles
12-23-2023, 01:44 PM
Raising the property tax to discourage short term rentals seems like a very unenforceable and ineffective way to accomplish the goal. Why not just require these owners to buy a special business license, and be subject to state inspections. They would also be subject to the Florida license online complaint system, where they could be fined or lose their license for violating the license rules.

I think I have a simpler solution that would apply only to The Villages. If you are the guest/family member of a resident NOT PAYING RENT, you can get a guest pass for any amount of time. If you are a renter/tenant/AirBnBer PAYING to stay, then you can only get a guest pass if you are staying 30 days or more. Without access to our amenities, short term rentals are much, much less attractive. The guest pass system is completely under the control of the developer, and I doubt any state laws regulate it. Could a coalition of Airbnb owners get together and file a lawsuit? Probably, but that would take them more time and money than they are probably willing to spend.

tophcfa
12-23-2023, 04:22 PM
I think I have a simpler solution that would apply only to The Villages. If you are the guest/family member of a resident NOT PAYING RENT, you can get a guest pass for any amount of time. If you are a renter/tenant/AirBnBer PAYING to stay, then you can only get a guest pass if you are staying 30 days or more. Without access to our amenities, short term rentals are much, much less attractive. The guest pass system is completely under the control of the developer, and I doubt any state laws regulate it. Could a coalition of Airbnb owners get together and file a lawsuit? Probably, but that would take them more time and money than they are probably willing to spend.

Good idea, but it’s not me that needs convincing.

Happydaz
12-23-2023, 04:32 PM
What about Top Of The World in Ocala? Do they have restrictions on rentals?I have heard that they have no rentals under thirty days. If that is true then why can’t other developments pass similar rules? Are there other areas in Florida that restrict short term rentals?

Happydaz
12-23-2023, 04:42 PM
Wow I just checked On Top of The World and I see no rentals under six months! For anyone who is inundated with short term rentals on their street you can always move up there. They even have advertised in the Daily Sun with an offer to stay and look the place over. Not for me personally as we are fortunate to not have many STR’s in our established neighborhood, plus I love all the activities I am in.

Bill14564
12-23-2023, 04:44 PM
What about Top Of The World in Ocala? Do they have restrictions on rentals?I have heard that they have no rentals under thirty days. If that is true then why can’t other developments pass similar rules? Are there other areas in Florida that restrict short term rentals?

Don't know about Top Of The World or any other developments. Do know that Florida law prohibits municipalities from creating new laws to limit rental durations. It *might* be possible for the Developer to modify the deed restrictions to prohibit rentals but since he is in the process of selling houses, it is unlikely he would choose to alienate paying customers.

Randall55
12-23-2023, 05:37 PM
I think I have a simpler solution that would apply only to The Villages. If you are the guest/family member of a resident NOT PAYING RENT, you can get a guest pass for any amount of time. If you are a renter/tenant/AirBnBer PAYING to stay, then you can only get a guest pass if you are staying 30 days or more. Without access to our amenities, short term rentals are much, much less attractive. The guest pass system is completely under the control of the developer, and I doubt any state laws regulate it. Could a coalition of Airbnb owners get together and file a lawsuit? Probably, but that would take them more time and money than they are probably willing to spend.I agree 100%. Short term renters should not have access to our amenities. However, the developer offers LifeStyle Visits. I doubt that he would be interested in setting limitations.

Randall55
12-23-2023, 05:44 PM
So if a home has 5 registered owners, could each rent for a period under the tax threshold period, and all avoid higher tax rate all together, over whole year of short term rental? :shrug:No. The address of the home would be classified as lodging and taxed on that basis no matter how many owners.

mtdjed
12-23-2023, 06:01 PM
Doesn't the Developer encourage short term rentals? Lifestyle visits?

Topspinmo
12-23-2023, 06:09 PM
Doesn't the Developer
encourage short term rentals? Lifestyle visits?


Developers don’t have to follow the rules, they make them.

Happydaz
12-23-2023, 08:54 PM
Doesn't the Developer encourage short term rentals? Lifestyle visits?

The Developer of On Top Of The World also does lifestyle visits for a short term, yet they still set their minimum rental to six months plus one week. You can do a two night, three day lifestyle visit to OTOTW for $199. You get a golf cart and a tour of the place included in your lifestyle rental.

shaw8700@outlook.com
12-23-2023, 09:07 PM
Why would you be against STR’s? We stayed in a rental for two weeks in July and fell in love with the place and we’re going to move there soon. We will have to rent for awhile while we find our house and I should think that makes TV much more attractive.

Papa_lecki
12-23-2023, 09:46 PM
Why would you be against STR’s? We stayed in a rental for two weeks in July and fell in love with the place and we’re going to move there soon. We will have to rent for awhile while we find our house and I should think that makes TV much more attractive.

Many owners have done the same, rented for a week or two, and buy a house.

But, many renters (both long term and short term) are not nice neighbors, they are loud, have too many people in the house, etc.
If you live on a street with a lot of rentals, it is not a good experience for you, the full time resident.

Altawood
12-24-2023, 05:45 AM
Hopefully…

gbs317
12-24-2023, 05:59 AM
Why would you be against STR’s? We stayed in a rental for two weeks in July and fell in love with the place and we’re going to move there soon. We will have to rent for awhile while we find our house and I should think that makes TV much more attractive.
That’s the sad part of the whole STR and AirBnB. People like yourself are welcome in my opinion you have a desire to live in TV. While other renters, not all, don’t care about the property, TV, and just feel this is their right at the expense of the people who live here to trash the place.

Normal
12-24-2023, 06:57 AM
Residents deserve consistency and a sense of security with permanence. You will always deal with a variety of people day in and day out, but you should have the right to plop down in a place of stability to rest after your day. That place is your home. STRs disrupt that. They steal from you the respite required to live a balanced life with continuity and security.

GizmoWhiskers
12-24-2023, 06:59 AM
Correct (HappyDayz) OToTW does not allow ABnB type short term rentals.

If a Business license is required by the Department of Professional Regulation to rent out entire property for less than 31 one days it is considered a short term rental and requires a FL a business license.

On Top of the World is protecting its homeowner's property and community investments. T V developers don't enforce their deed restrictions, in various districts, that state at no time can "ANY" business be run out of the property (at least in Villas, I have not read deed restrictions on homes) ie: Villas located in District 8 and District 6.

GizmoWhiskers
12-24-2023, 07:08 AM
Developers don’t have to follow the rules, they make them.
Well true as a joke but if one has enough money in the bank lawyering up would tilt the scales back toward holding the developer accountable at least based on old school law... not today's law practices.

asianthree
12-24-2023, 07:11 AM
My guess is 90% of most residents have rented on a lifestyle or private rental. Difference is the renters are on a mission to see if they want to spend a chunk of money, and spend what is left of their time in TV.

Then you have the multi month renters who come to escape the cold. Respect the property and usually come back to the same area or home for years.

The problem that has cropped up is the homes that are drive by rentals. Owner will rent to anyone who gives them $80, doesn’t worry about damages or residents who live near them.

We have owned investment property in TV, always ran a background check the first time. Didn’t have to repeat, because they returned for multiple times.

As for noise and party’s, one can’t really blame the rental issues. There are huge neighborhood parties weekly and those residents who just like really loud TVs and Music because their hearing is diminished or near deaf.

Normal
12-24-2023, 07:27 AM
CDDs could legally charge a surcharge tax for amenity usage per night per rental. $50 a night per unit would be fine. It would basically work like a hotel tax.

LonnyP
12-24-2023, 07:44 AM
Why? And why speculate?

defrey12
12-24-2023, 07:45 AM
Why would you be against STR’s? We stayed in a rental for two weeks in July and fell in love with the place and we’re going to move there soon. We will have to rent for awhile while we find our house and I should think that makes TV much more attractive.

Wait until you buy and have 3-4 on your street with revolving doors, people coming at all times, noise, CHILDREN, etc. Many STR owners do NOT care who they rent to…they do NOT follow the rules…and neither do their tenants. That’s why we’re against them.

midiwiz
12-24-2023, 07:46 AM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

it does exist in places int he state but not at the county level. Also it doesn't work well.

TeresaE
12-24-2023, 07:54 AM
Probably not. Essentially, Florida law prohibits counties from treating STR's any differently than traditional residential homes.

That's a bit of an over simplification, but basically the situation in my opinion.

Sounds like a great idea, but the Florida legislature would never go for it. "Rentals" are what runs the Florida's economy.

I don’t believe that’s quite accurate. Cities and counties may adopt regulations on short term rental to fit their needs. The City of St Augustine is a good example. They’ve set limits for occupancy, minimum stay requirements, health requirements, safety requirements, and set registration fees. Here’s a link to the website.

Short Term Rentals | St. Augustine, FL (https://www.citystaug.com/830/Short-Term-Rentals)

On the state level shortterm rentals are to have business licenses and pay sales tax on every dollar earned. Of course most don’t.

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 08:17 AM
Wait until you buy and have 3-4 on your street with revolving doors, people coming at all times, noise, CHILDREN, etc. Many STR owners do NOT care who they rent to…they do NOT follow the rules…and neither do their tenants. That’s why we’re against them.

What specific rules are they breaking? Children are allowed here up to 30 days. People are allowed to make noise up until a certain time of the day. Do people not mow their lawn in your neighborhood? All you have to do is call law enforcement if they are violating the noise ordinance. Why do you care who rents out a house that doesn’t belong to you? They aren’t coming and going into your house. As the owner of my own home am I not allowed to come and go at all times as I please? If I need to leave my house at 4 a.m., who are you to tell me I can’t? Oh that’s right, nobody. It’s none of your business what anyone else does. Mind your own business

DrMack
12-24-2023, 08:36 AM
As new owners, we are against these also. The problem got out of hand where we are from and our city had just started cracking down on it.

I was reading another article on St. Augustine. I saw another post about St. Augustine. They have come up some reasonable regulations. Here is another

Your browser is not supported | staugustine.com (https://www.staugustine.com/story/news/politics/government/2021/01/23/st-johns-county-grapples-short-term-vacation-rentals/6654011002/)

They used the new state law to help them initiate a program. The only caveats the state has are:

You can’t ban vacation rentals
You can’t regulate the length or frequency of stays

That leaves the window open for so many ideas to bring the problems under control.

DrMack
12-24-2023, 08:41 AM
Residents deserve consistency and a sense of security with permanence. You will always deal with a variety of people day in and day out, but you should have the right to plop down in a place of stability to rest after your day. That place is your home. STRs disrupt that. They steal from you the respite required to live a balanced life with continuity and security.

Absolutely, we 100% agree with the expectation.

TeresaE
12-24-2023, 08:58 AM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

Florida does regulate STRs under the Division of Hotels and Restaurants. Here’s a link to a which explains the requirements. It’s pretty specific.

Now, I do not believe we will ever eliminate all STR in TV. I do believe we can chip away at them by ensuring that these businesses are at least complying with current State regulations. If there’s a STR that’s a problem in your Village you can look up the address on the County’s Property Tax site and see who owns it and how it’s titled. If it’s a business you can then go to the Department of Business & Professional Regulations to see if they are Licened. Now if they are run through a Propety Management Company, that will be tougher because the Propety Management company would handle all that for the owner.

It’s a place to start. The next step is to begin proposing to the counties to set regulations.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/hr/forms/documents/5025_753.pdf

Happydaz
12-24-2023, 09:00 AM
Mind your own business

He has no “business.” He is a homeowner who lives in The Villages.The real estate investor who rents out his housing unit has the “business.”

GATORBILL66
12-24-2023, 09:02 AM
We need something like this in The Villages. Higher taxes on property rented out with less than a three month rental lease.

DrHitch
12-24-2023, 09:06 AM
Within the villages, none of the CDDs have established rules for short-term rentals.

It's interesting to see that none of the deed restrictions have been modified over the years to prohibit STRs.

Is this problem more pervasive in newer sections of the villages where houses have been bought 100% for investment rental purposes?

TeresaE
12-24-2023, 09:24 AM
What specific rules are they breaking? Children are allowed here up to 30 days. People are allowed to make noise up until a certain time of the day. Do people not mow their lawn in your neighborhood? All you have to do is call law enforcement if they are violating the noise ordinance. Why do you care who rents out a house that doesn’t belong to you? They aren’t coming and going into your house. As the owner of my own home am I not allowed to come and go at all times as I please? If I need to leave my house at 4 a.m., who are you to tell me I can’t? Oh that’s right, nobody. It’s none of your business what anyone else does. Mind your own business

In a deed restricted community there is an expectation of some uniformity and consistency. In a 55+ community, there is also an expectation of, well, Community.

STRenters have an expectation of a Resort Style Vacation and, frankly, that’s how they behave. Many know they are leaving and feel they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want without consequences.

The two expectations collide. We all welcome our neighbors’ children and grandchildren who come for a visit. It that’s very different from having a revolving door of young families and or young adults that are here to blow off steam and party.

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 09:53 AM
In a deed restricted community there is an expectation of some uniformity and consistency. In a 55+ community, there is also an expectation of, well, Community.

STRenters have an expectation of a Resort Style Vacation and, frankly, that’s how they behave. Many know they are leaving and feel they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want without consequences.

The two expectations collide. We all welcome our neighbors’ children and grandchildren who come for a visit. It that’s very different from having a revolving door of young families and or young adults that are here to blow off steam and party.

So they aren’t breaking any rules. Got it. What proof do you have that they are “blowing off steam and partying”? I think it’s hilarious that you think TV is some hot party destination for young adults. It’s not. You are exaggerating. Most are here visiting family and the easy solution is to put them in a STR. I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house. You must really have nothing better to do if you’re so worried about what your neighbors are doing.

Janie123
12-24-2023, 09:55 AM
I think I have a simpler solution that would apply only to The Villages. If you are the guest/family member of a resident NOT PAYING RENT, you can get a guest pass for any amount of time. If you are a renter/tenant/AirBnBer PAYING to stay, then you can only get a guest pass if you are staying 30 days or more. Without access to our amenities, short term rentals are much, much less attractive. The guest pass system is completely under the control of the developer, and I doubt any state laws regulate it. Could a coalition of Airbnb owners get together and file a lawsuit? Probably, but that would take them more time and money than they are probably willing to spend.
there is no limit on how many days a renter can get a lifestyle ID. The application has arrival time and departure time. I had a friend of ours want to check out the villages and we were going on vacation for 15 days. He and a friend came down and for $25 and a filled out Lifestyle ID application, they got Lifestyle IDs and I turned in my IDs at LSL before I left town. Why should they not have access to the amenities. I exchanged my rights for them to have the same??? Seems like a pain for an STR to do the same and probably don’t… I doubt they do but getting them guest IDs, that can happen. I did a quick check on **** and none of the half dozen rentals listed golfing in TV as an amenity so I’m guessing guest IDs for pools and rec centers. Some did not even mention those as amenities. If they did list golf, they mentioned the courses outside the villages.

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 09:57 AM
He has no “business.” He is a homeowner who lives in The Villages.The real estate investor who rents out his housing unit has the “business.”

Deed restrictions say you cannot run a business out of your home. It does not say you cannot rent out a property. There is no law against it.

TeresaE
12-24-2023, 10:00 AM
As new owners, we are against these also. The problem got out of hand where we are from and our city had just started cracking down on it.

I was reading another article on St. Augustine. I saw another post about St. Augustine. They have come up some reasonable regulations. Here is another

Your browser is not supported | staugustine.com (https://www.staugustine.com/story/news/politics/government/2021/01/23/st-johns-county-grapples-short-term-vacation-rentals/6654011002/)

They used the new state law to help them initiate a program. The only caveats the state has are:

You can’t ban vacation rentals
You can’t regulate the length or frequency of stays

That leaves the window open for so many ideas to bring the problems under control.

St Augustine is a good model to follow. They do regulate length of stay based on Zoning. Residentially zoned property RS-1 and RS-2 may not rent out for less than one week.

Heytubes
12-24-2023, 10:25 AM
Perhaps all these owners of more than one rental that don’t live in TV should be required to actually live in TV at least 6 months of each year to prevent large corporations from buying up rentals for ROI purposes. This would separate businesses from homeowners.

BrianL99
12-24-2023, 10:33 AM
Sort of unrelated to the thread ... but more than topical, if you get my drift.

When ToTV bans someone (revokes their right to post), they can just create a new "User Name" and start back up, where they left off?

ToTV doesn't check IP addresses and you can just make up another phony name?

Normal
12-24-2023, 11:25 AM
I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house.

You answered your own question. Partying etc. But there is much more than that. A neighbor impacts your quality of life because whether you know it or not, you schedule daily activity in your home to adapt to the external environment. Blinds or shades, driving precautions, social interaction with strangers verses known parties, apprehensive responses to unknown pet intrusions etc. It does matter if you must expend additional effort instead of being permitted to be more relaxed of course.

It’s not what goes on inside as you restrict in your statement, it’s also what spews outside. Noise, animals, children, cars, trash…In fact,, go one step further, does a rental unit research whether a tenant is a sexual predator or lifetime criminal? When should a neighbor be on guard? Always, because the social landscape changes so frequently?

Randall55
12-24-2023, 11:33 AM
So they aren’t breaking any rules. Got it. What proof do you have that they are “blowing off steam and partying”? I think it’s hilarious that you think TV is some hot party destination for young adults. It’s not. You are exaggerating. Most are here visiting family and the easy solution is to put them in a STR. I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house. You must really have nothing better to do if you’re so worried about what your neighbors are doing.You are entitled to your opinion. But....Have you lived next door to an STR in the Villages? It is easy to say they are not a problem if they are not in your neighborhood.

mrf0151
12-24-2023, 11:46 AM
Just another reason more people are leaving Colorado than moving in. Really sad as it is a beautiful state.

TeresaE
12-24-2023, 12:30 PM
So they aren’t breaking any rules. Got it. What proof do you have that they are “blowing off steam and partying”? I think it’s hilarious that you think TV is some hot party destination for young adults. It’s not. You are exaggerating. Most are here visiting family and the easy solution is to put them in a STR. I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house. You must really have nothing better to do if you’re so worried about what your neighbors are doing.

I don’t care what they do in their own house. I care what they do in the squares, the rec centers and the pools. As well as how they treat the staff that serves us. They come with an expectation that they can do what they want, how they want, and when they want. This is our HOME. NOT A RESORT.

asianthree
12-24-2023, 01:05 PM
Perhaps all these owners of more than one rental that don’t live in TV should be required to actually live in TV at least 6 months of each year to prevent large corporations from buying up rentals for ROI purposes. This would separate businesses from homeowners.

The largest owner of rental properties owns 37 properties in TV, verified by the lady in the office. He lives in TV, we met him when we were picking up our ID’s in SS from our long term.

Very personable, glad to answer questions. 1/2 are long term, except for 3, the rest were mandatory 3 month rentals. He did comment on STR’s becoming the norm in new villages, instead of seasonal rentals

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 04:31 PM
I don’t care what they do in their own house. I care what they do in the squares, the rec centers and the pools. As well as how they treat the staff that serves us. They come with an expectation that they can do what they want, how they want, and when they want. This is our HOME. NOT A RESORT.
The squares are public spaces and you have no business telling non-villagers they can’t be there. Whether you like or not, renters are entitled to use the pools and recreation facilities.

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 04:39 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. But....Have you lived next door to an STR in the Villages? It is easy to say they are not a problem if they are not in your neighborhood.

I have no idea if I live next to an STR because I mind my own business. Again, what rules are they violating that upsets you so much? Or are you just mad because you stalk your neighbors and you’re not seeing the same people every day in and day out? That’s a ridiculous reason to be upset. Stop stalking your neighbors.

PjLyness1965
12-24-2023, 04:57 PM
You answered your own question. Partying etc. But there is much more than that. A neighbor impacts your quality of life because whether you know it or not, you schedule daily activity in your home to adapt to the external environment. Blinds or shades, driving precautions, social interaction with strangers verses known parties, apprehensive responses to unknown pet intrusions etc. It does matter if you must expend additional effort instead of being permitted to be more relaxed of course.

It’s not what goes on inside as you restrict in your statement, it’s also what spews outside. Noise, animals, children, cars, trash…In fact,, go one step further, does a rental unit research whether a tenant is a sexual predator or lifetime criminal? When should a neighbor be on guard? Always, because the social landscape changes so frequently?

No, I didn’t. But you admit renters aren’t the problem because full time residents are capable of all of these problems you just listed. I know for a fact TV didn’t do a criminal background check on you before you purchased your house so why exactly does the owner of an STR have to do one on everyone else to appease you? The level of entitlement is just astounding.

JRcorvette
12-24-2023, 08:10 PM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

Who cares… just another wacko liberal run State

Normal
12-24-2023, 08:24 PM
No, I didn’t. But you admit renters aren’t the problem because full time residents are capable of all of these problems you just listed. I know for a fact TV didn’t do a criminal background check on you before you purchased your house so why exactly does the owner of an STR have to do one on everyone else to appease you? The level of entitlement is just astounding.

If a sexual predator does move in, they have to register. This gives everyone forewarning to prepare and adjust or avoid circumstance. A renter can come in for a week and be gone.

BrianL99
12-24-2023, 08:34 PM
If a sexual predator does move in, they have to register. This gives everyone forewarning to prepare and adjust or avoid circumstance. A renter can come in for a week and be gone.


Or a Liberal.

Normal
12-24-2023, 08:46 PM
Or a Liberal.

Almost as bad

Randall55
12-24-2023, 09:26 PM
I have no idea if I live next to an STR because I mind my own business. Again, what rules are they violating that upsets you so much? Or are you just mad because you stalk your neighbors and you’re not seeing the same people every day in and day out? That’s a ridiculous reason to be upset. Stop stalking your neighbors.I do not stalk my neighbors. I have no reason to. I do, however, listen to those who live on streets with many strs. Driveways and streets are blocked, trash is left out which attracts wild animals, knocking on your door to ask questions or to borrow something, shouting and yelling etc. The renters are the stalkers. You go outside and they bombard you with question after question. You have no peace. Remember: this goes on again and again as renters come and go.When you report them, you are told "Sorry, we can't do anything because they are renters."

I do not live by an str. When I want to leave my home, I have no worries that my driveway will be blocked. I do not have to pick up strangers' scattered trash. Strangers do not knock on my door on a regular basis at all times of the day. When I walk my dog, I can enjoy the sun and fresh air. I am not a stranger's target and I do not have to answer their many questions as I walk by. Every resident in the Villages deserves the same as I have.

How many strangers could you deal with per week, month, or year at your home? I'm guessing, not many!

tophcfa
12-24-2023, 10:19 PM
What specific rules are they breaking? Children are allowed here up to 30 days. People are allowed to make noise up until a certain time of the day. Do people not mow their lawn in your neighborhood? All you have to do is call law enforcement if they are violating the noise ordinance. Why do you care who rents out a house that doesn’t belong to you? They aren’t coming and going into your house. As the owner of my own home am I not allowed to come and go at all times as I please? If I need to leave my house at 4 a.m., who are you to tell me I can’t? Oh that’s right, nobody. It’s none of your business what anyone else does. Mind your own business

Anyone else smell the stench of a revolving door short term slumlord somehow trying to justify their inconsiderate neighborly actions?

shaw8700@outlook.com
12-24-2023, 11:14 PM
Many owners have done the same, rented for a week or two, and buy a house.

But, many renters (both long term and short term) are not nice neighbors, they are loud, have too many people in the house, etc.
If you live on a street with a lot of rentals, it is not a good experience for you, the full time resident.

But if they’re that bad you would them to move on whenever their stay is up. Imagine if they stayed?

shaw8700@outlook.com
12-24-2023, 11:21 PM
Wait until you buy and have 3-4 on your street with revolving doors, people coming at all times, noise, CHILDREN, etc. Many STR owners do NOT care who they rent to…they do NOT follow the rules…and neither do their tenants. That’s why we’re against them.

But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet.

tophcfa
12-25-2023, 12:18 AM
But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet.

Who cares, not selling. Investor versus resident mentality. Interested in living with fellow residents, not quick flip investors who have little to no regard for residents quality of living.

Randall55
12-25-2023, 02:48 AM
But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet. Investors are not the backbone of the Villages. Residents over 55 who want to enjoy their retirement outnumber them significantly. I find it hard to believe no one will buy a home if they cannot rent in the area first. Many communities sell out without the option to rent before buying. The Villages will not be different.

Home prices plummeting will not affect many residents. Most are happy to stay put in their home until they pass. Many bought their homes BEFORE prices inflated. The market would have to take a significant hit for them to lose money. In the meantime, lower value of homes will stabilize or decrease property taxes and insurance. A small change in monthly payments can help those on a fixed income.

Their children can deal with selling the home when they inherit it. A large profit or loss is no concern to a dead person.

Escape Artist
12-25-2023, 11:30 PM
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com (https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-legislature-will-introduce-bill-hiking-taxes-for-short-term-rental-properties/)

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

It makes sense as they are running the residential property as a business. Why should they pay the same as an owner-occupied property when the neighborhood is zoned residential and not commercial or mixed use?