Mall shooting in Ocala.

[Taltarzac725]

I had a visitor whose daughter was up at the Ocala Mall when all this went down this afternoon.

She is fine but quite scared. As is her mother.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-shooting-in-ocala-florida-multiple-injured-in-shooting-at-paddock-mall-authorities/ar-AA1lXtEh

[manaboutown]

The shooter was allegedly a black male dressed in a black hoodie, black pants and had a black mask partially covering his face.

Ocala Paddock Mall Shooting: 1 dead, 1 woman shot, several others injured, suspect at large police say (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/active-shooter-reported-at-ocala-mall-police-say)

[Dusty_Star]

What a terrible thing. I hope they catch the murderer & put him away. He was wearing a mask. Masks are good at hiding criminal's features.

[asianthree]

Sounds like a targeted shooting, if it was random there would have been a very different story in crowded mall two days before Christmas

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-are-searching-for-a-suspect-after-a-deadly-shooting-at-a-florida-mall/ar-AA1lYHkE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=552fa29e09b9408ba94984f785b7b557&ei=16

Hopefully they will catch this suspect very soon.

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-mall-shooting-police-urge-person-who-took-suspects-hat-to-come-forward/ar-AA1lXjfP

Update.

Police issued a statement Sunday afternoon urging the person who took the suspected gunman's red hat from the mall to come forward.

"That hat may contain valuable DNA evidence," police said. "If you do not return the hat within the next few hours, we will release your picture ... and you will be arrested with a felony charge of tampering with evidence."

[manaboutown]

Photos of alleged killer and victim. Suspect identified in fatal shooting at Paddock Mall - Ocala-News.com (https://www.ocala-news.com/2023/12/24/suspect-identified-in-fatal-shooting-at-paddock-mall/?fbclid=IwAR23GLjCkIddXYYITpvCEFuei4KoJKlAPD0xg4Zq rx6lrNkjJ_UCtzcbjnE)

[JRcorvette]

The shooter was allegedly a black male dressed in a black hoodie, black pants and had a black mask partially covering his face.

Ocala Paddock Mall Shooting: 1 dead, 1 woman shot, several others injured, suspect at large police say (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/active-shooter-reported-at-ocala-mall-police-say)

Not surprised… it meets most violent crimes

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not surprised… it meets most violent crimes

Yup no surprise at all. Men account for over 80% of all violent crimes committed.

[MrChip72]

Last time in Ocala we went out for lunch at a typical chain restaurant. 4 males and their early 20's were seated adjacent to us. 2 had ankle bracelet monitors. The kind you get when you're out on bail for something serious. Aren't people with ankle bracelets not supposed to hang out with other people wearing ankle bracelets?

Ocala has almost double the average crime rate of Florida, and Florida isn't exactly great in that stat in the first place.

[Dusty_Star]

Last time in Ocala we went out for lunch at a typical chain restaurant. 4 males and their early 20's were seated adjacent to us. 2 had ankle bracelet monitors. The kind you get when you're out on bail for something serious. Aren't people with ankle bracelets not supposed to hang out with other people wearing ankle bracelets?

Ocala has almost double the average crime rate of Florida, and Florida isn't exactly great in that stat in the first place.

This article is from a defense attorney practice in Clearwater. They say the rules are on a case by case basis. They list some of the common rules, 'hanging out with others wearing the devices' isn't listed. It probably is a rule in many cases. Court Ordered GPS Monitor: When Are They Used? - Dean Tsourakis (https://www.deantsourakis.com/court-ordered-gps-monitor-what-crimes-get-an-ankle-monitor-in-florida/)

[La lamy]

Horrible scenario. Yay for online shopping!

[mike234]

The shooter was allegedly a black male dressed in a black hoodie, black pants and had a black mask partially covering his face.

Ocala Paddock Mall Shooting: 1 dead, 1 woman shot, several others injured, suspect at large police say (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/active-shooter-reported-at-ocala-mall-police-say)
at least the police put out a complete description of what they are looking for. in Massachusetts, the description would never describe the race of the suspect. its offensive to do so....

[mikeycereal]

I had a nice experience in Paddock Mall in April of this year. The poke bowl in the food court was awesome. When I first heard about the shooting in a Florida mall I was hoping it wasn't this one. There were never any shootings in my hometown malls growing up. They were all very safe places to go. This world has certainly changed.

[Cliff Fr]

I had a visitor whose daughter was up at the Ocala Mall when all this went down this afternoon.

She is fine but quite scared. As is her mother.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-shooting-in-ocala-florida-multiple-injured-in-shooting-at-paddock-mall-authorities/ar-AA1lXtEh

The thugs in malls along with Amazon have killed many malls. Unfortunately it looks like the Paddock Mall will be next.

[jimdecastro]

I missed the article in The Daily Sun...

[GATORBILL66]

This is another good reason to always carry your concealed weapon when around large crowds!

[ThirdOfFive]

at least the police put out a complete description of what they are looking for. in Massachusetts, the description would never describe the race of the suspect. its offensive to do so....
True words. Done that way in Minnesota too.

Can't tell you the number of times we heard radio descriptions of perps including height, weight, approximate age and even (in one case) eye color, but nothing mentioned about the most obvious feature of all.

[RPDaly]

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[rockyhyder]

Photos of alleged killer and victim. Suspect identified in fatal shooting at Paddock Mall - Ocala-News.com (https://www.ocala-news.com/2023/12/24/suspect-identified-in-fatal-shooting-at-paddock-mall/?fbclid=IwAR23GLjCkIddXYYITpvCEFuei4KoJKlAPD0xg4Zq rx6lrNkjJ_UCtzcbjnE)

Gang bangers, check out the tats and colors.

[Bwanajim]

at least the police put out a complete description of what they are looking for. in Massachusetts, the description would never describe the race of the suspect. it’s offensive to do so....
15 years ago, the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel quit printing the race of a suspect. I spoke to the assistant editor who happened to be black. He said it would stereotype Black people I said, do you print if suspect is a male or female? Do you put the color of the car involved in the crime? Would not answer me.

[Vermilion Villager]

Yup no surprise at all. Men account for over 80% of all violent crimes committed.

Good one OBB:coolsmiley:
Merry Christmas!!!

[drdoug59]

Florida has a higher than average crime rate according to FBI statistics. just wander away from TV and you think your in appalachia.

[OhioBuckeye]

What’s our world coming to, it was Ocala Mall now N. Y. Xmas parade, who’s supposed to be protecting America!

[Whitley]

15 years ago, the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel quit printing the race of a suspect. I spoke to the assistant editor who happened to be black. He said it would stereotype Black people I said, do you print if suspect is a male or female? Do you put the color of the car involved in the crime? Would not answer me.

If the police report that the suspect or poi is a black male, that eliminates almost 94% of the population. It seems silly to report height and hair color but not race. What is the reasoning behind this?

[jljl62040]

Assume you're looking for race as an answer. According to the 2021 FBI statistics 59% of criminals who commit violent crimes are white while 39% are non-white.

I'm also going to bet that's not the answer you were hoping for......:mornincoffee:

The very big flaw with those stats when viewed by race is that Hispanics are considered white in categorizing violent crime by race. That is why those figures add up to 98% of violent crime being committed by whites or blacks. The stats viewed by ethnicity gives better insight into Hispanic violent crime rates and hence, white violent crime rates. Not the answer you were hoping for? Do a little thinking. Do a little digging.

[mraines]

The Paddock Mall has been going downhill for a long time. It used to be a nice mall. Not very big, but nice. My kids grew up in Ocala and we went there frequently. Now, it's just not very nice.

[Whitley]

The Paddock Mall has been going downhill for a long time. It used to be a nice mall. Not very big, but nice. My kids grew up in Ocala and we went there frequently. Now, it's just not very nice.

So many malls are closing, with many of those remaining open subject to higher crime.

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/friends-and-family-remember-tattoo-artist-killed-in-ocala-mall-shooting/vi-AA1m1Bwk

Describes the effect on the family who lost its father.

[Dusty_Star]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/friends-and-family-remember-tattoo-artist-killed-in-ocala-mall-shooting/vi-AA1m1Bwk

Describes the effect on the family who lost its father.

Such a tragedy. So many lives affected.

[Robnlaura]

If the police report that the suspect or poi is a black male, that eliminates almost 94% of the population. It seems silly to report height and hair color but not race. What is the reasoning behind this?

This is the new way of hiding the truth

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

15 years ago, the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel quit printing the race of a suspect. I spoke to the assistant editor who happened to be black. He said it would stereotype Black people I said, do you print if suspect is a male or female? Do you put the color of the car involved in the crime? Would not answer me.

1. Your memory is flawed.
2. The phrase "happen to be black" makes your assistant editor's race incidental, as though it doesn't really matter. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have mentioned it.
3. He probably wouldn't answer you because he never told you that, because it just isn't true.
4. The "Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel" isn't a thing. It's called the South Florida Sun Sentinel, and it serves the greater Ft. Lauderdale area.

This is from this past November: Man accused of murdering ex-girlfriend who reported him (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/11/09/man-accused-of-killing-his-ex-girlfriend-shortly-after-she-reported-him-to-police/)

There's a photograph of the guy who was arrested. The Sun Sentinel isn't trying to hide his race.

[Taltarzac725]

Wonder where the accused is hiding? Or maybe he went deep into the Ocala Forest where it would be hard for them to find him.

With my brother, I had gone to the Leesburg Mall about 2 weeks ago to see Godzilla Minus One and we did not see more than about a dozen shoppers there. Think there were actually more store or movie theater or food court employees there than mall walkers.

And have not been to Paddock Mall since probably 2014. I would go up there but usually to Hobby Lobby or to the Greyhound Bus terminal to get or return visiting family members.

[dhdallas]

at least the police put out a complete description of what they are looking for. in Massachusetts, the description would never describe the race of the suspect. its offensive to do so....

They are issuing a description of a dangerous suspect who has already killed and is on the loose. Why would the police leave out such an important detail? The more information given, the better chances of a sighting & improved safety of citizens. According to the latest U.S. census, the percentage of Caucasians in Florida is 74.8% or 15.2 million. Half of those whites are males (7.5million) and 74% of white males residing in Florida are between the ages 15-64 or 5.5 million. Thus by including the race of the suspect at large, the police have eliminated 5.5 million men who otherwise could be mistakenly reported to the police and slowing the process to find the real suspect.

[Dusty_Star]

Wonder where the accused is hiding? Or maybe he went deep into the Ocala Forest where it would be hard for them to find him.


My guess would be he is staying with friends or relatives. The reward has been upped to $10,000. so I suspect the authorities think the same as I do.

Florida mall shooting: Reward up to $10,000 as police hunt for suspect - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-mall-shooting-ocala/story?id=105893779)

[Taltarzac725]

The guy who picked up the hat cooperated with the Ocala Police according to their Facebook messaging.

That is the hat the alleged shooter was wearing.

The man who took the red hat has been identified and is cooperating with us. We now have the hat in our possession. We are continuing our ongoing search for Albert Shell Jr. We appreciate you all for sharing our messages.

[Dusty_Star]

It looks like the suspect in the mall shooting has 18 prior arrests. The last one being domestic battery by strangulation.

[manaboutown]

It looks like the suspect in the mall shooting has 18 prior arrests. The last one being domestic battery by strangulation.

Why am I not surprised?

[Taltarzac725]

Your browser is not supported | ocala.com (https://www.ocala.com/story/news/crime/2023/12/23/the-latest-on-the-shooting-at-the-paddock-mall-in-ocala-florida/72020942007/)

Will check for updates.

[Taltarzac725]

Reward increased for info on deadly Ocala mall shooting suspect (https://news.yahoo.com/reward-increased-deadly-ocala-mall-014126469.html)

The reward went up to $15,000 for information leading to the arrest of Albert Shell Jr.

[manaboutown]

Reward increased for info on deadly Ocala mall shooting suspect (https://news.yahoo.com/reward-increased-deadly-ocala-mall-014126469.html)

The reward went up to $15,000 for information leading to the arrest of Albert Shell Jr.

Hopefully they will capture the thug and his cohorts who have assisted him in hiding. Lock them all up!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why am I not surprised?

Because you've created a "category" for mall shooters and this one fits neatly into the box?

Meanwhile, some other mall shooters don't fit into that box at all, but that's okay because you can just not spend a moment to check on those. So I'll do the work for you:

Jacob Bergquist left three dead including himself to suicide, after shooting a mall officer and a transgender store employee in Boise Idaho. Although reports didn't mention his race, the photos showed clearly that he was a white man. He used to brag about open-carrying through the streets of Boise, and had a prior felony conviction for retail theft.

Mauricio Martinez Garcia, shot up a mall in Allen Texas and killed 9 people this year. He was a member of a neo-nazi group, and had a russian social media account where he posted anti-semitic and anti-asian posts. He had enlisted in the army but was discharged a few months later due to mental health concerns. Though reports didn't specify his race, the photos depicted a light-skinned man of latino origin, and a mention to his natural-born American citizenship was specified.

20-year-old Jonathan Sapirman shot five and killed three people at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana, in 2022. Though the reports didn't specify race, photos after he was identified depict a white male with an interest in mass shootings and Nazi germany, and a cache of semi-automatic weapons in his possession when he walked to the mall from his house, a mile away. A bystander killed him before he could do any more damage.

[manaboutown]

Because you've created a "category" for mall shooters and this one fits neatly into the box?

Meanwhile, some other mall shooters don't fit into that box at all, but that's okay because you can just not spend a moment to check on those. So I'll do the work for you:

Jacob Bergquist left three dead including himself to suicide, after shooting a mall officer and a transgender store employee in Boise Idaho. Although reports didn't mention his race, the photos showed clearly that he was a white man. He used to brag about open-carrying through the streets of Boise, and had a prior felony conviction for retail theft.

Mauricio Martinez Garcia, shot up a mall in Allen Texas and killed 9 people this year. He was a member of a neo-nazi group, and had a russian social media account where he posted anti-semitic and anti-asian posts. He had enlisted in the army but was discharged a few months later due to mental health concerns. Though reports didn't specify his race, the photos depicted a light-skinned man of latino origin, and a mention to his natural-born American citizenship was specified.

20-year-old Jonathan Sapirman shot five and killed three people at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana, in 2022. Though the reports didn't specify race, photos after he was identified depict a white male with an interest in mass shootings and Nazi germany, and a cache of semi-automatic weapons in his possession when he walked to the mall from his house, a mile away. A bystander killed him before he could do any more damage.

The following post is the one to which I was responding "not surprised". The information contained therein obviously has nothing to do with the race/gender/politics of the shooter. It has everything to do with the shooter's criminal history. To restate: I am not surprised the shooter had a criminal history.


Originally Posted by Dusty_Star View Post
It looks like the suspect in the mall shooting has 18 prior arrests. The last one being domestic battery by strangulation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The following post is the one to which I was responding "not surprised". The information contained therein obviously has nothing to do with the race/gender/politics of the shooter. It has everything to do with the shooter's criminal history. To restate: I am not surprised the shooter had a criminal history.


Originally Posted by Dusty_Star View Post
It looks like the suspect in the mall shooting has 18 prior arrests. The last one being domestic battery by strangulation.

Why are you "not surprised" that the suspect in the mall shooting has 18 prior arrests? What percentage of mall shooters have that many prior arrests?

And no - the fact that the shooter had a criminal history is not what you're "not surprised" about and you know it. Most people who shoot other people with guns have criminal histories, it's not worth commenting on your surprise - or lack thereof. It's akin to saying you're not surprised that the shooter was male.

[Erider]

Yup no surprise at all. Men account for over 80% of all violent crimes committed.

That's not fair, the women are too busy practicing the world's oldest profession. 😁

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That's not fair, the women are too busy practicing the world's oldest profession. ������

You mean "running things behind the scenes" right? Because if by "world's oldest profession" you mean prostitution, then - well - you have a really sad, pathetic view of women if you truly believe that all (or 80% of all) women are prostitutes.

[Erider]

You mean "running things behind the scenes" right? Because if by "world's oldest profession" you mean prostitution, then - well - you have a really sad, pathetic view of women if you truly believe that all (or 80% of all) women are prostitutes.

If women are "running things behind the scenes" then they must be responsible for all the violence men commit. So sad...

[Topspinmo]

Because you've created a "category" for mall shooters and this one fits neatly into the box?

Meanwhile, some other mall shooters don't fit into that box at all, but that's okay because you can just not spend a moment to check on those. So I'll do the work for you:

Jacob Bergquist left three dead including himself to suicide, after shooting a mall officer and a transgender store employee in Boise Idaho. Although reports didn't mention his race, the photos showed clearly that he was a white man. He used to brag about open-carrying through the streets of Boise, and had a prior felony conviction for retail theft.

Mauricio Martinez Garcia, shot up a mall in Allen Texas and killed 9 people this year. He was a member of a neo-nazi group, and had a russian social media account where he posted anti-semitic and anti-asian posts. He had enlisted in the army but was discharged a few months later due to mental health concerns. Though reports didn't specify his race, the photos depicted a light-skinned man of latino origin, and a mention to his natural-born American citizenship was specified.

20-year-old Jonathan Sapirman shot five and killed three people at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana, in 2022. Though the reports didn't specify race, photos after he was identified depict a white male with an interest in mass shootings and Nazi germany, and a cache of semi-automatic weapons in his possession when he walked to the mall from his house, a mile away. A bystander killed him before he could do any more damage.


I see you didn’t mention the DC shooters?

[manaboutown]

There was an outstanding warrant out for the thug's arrest at the time of the shooting. Paddock Mall shooting suspect had outstanding warrant for arrest at the time of shooting, records show | Local News | chronicleonline.com (https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/paddock-mall-shooting-suspect-had-outstanding-warrant-for-arrest-at-the-time-of-shooting-records/article_b62f69da-1893-58e6-9e37-3d6c8a6cf7c0.html)

[Taltarzac725]

I suppose no news is good news in this case. Paddock Mall shooting suspect had outstanding warrant for arrest at the time of shooting, records show | Local News | chronicleonline.com (https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/paddock-mall-shooting-suspect-had-outstanding-warrant-for-arrest-at-the-time-of-shooting-records/article_b62f69da-1893-58e6-9e37-3d6c8a6cf7c0.html)

I was on the John in Publix today and heard a guy say "Ready! Aim!" and got a little discombobulated. I went out cautiously of the large area with the John and the sink preparing for whatever might come. And looked towards the urinals and saw two men and much smaller set of legs in front of one of the men. A father must have been training his son how to pee standing up.

[manaboutown]

I suppose no news is good news in this case. Paddock Mall shooting suspect had outstanding warrant for arrest at the time of shooting, records show | Local News | chronicleonline.com (https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/paddock-mall-shooting-suspect-had-outstanding-warrant-for-arrest-at-the-time-of-shooting-records/article_b62f69da-1893-58e6-9e37-3d6c8a6cf7c0.html)

I'd say it will be good news when the thug is captured. No news is not good news in the present case.