Palmers Pothole

[JGibson]

This pothole at Palmers has been there for almost a year now, they only put a cone over it a couple of months ago.

Yet, don't you dare go on that driving range without a collared shirt.

Oh, also a friendly reminder the green fees will be $70 come Jan 1.

Fix the dam pothole already!

[tophcfa]

This pothole at Palmers has been there for almost a year now, they only put a cone over it a couple of months ago.

Yet, don't you dare go on that driving range without a collared shirt.

Oh, also a friendly reminder the green fees will be $70 come Jan 1.

Fix the dam pothole already!

There are no such things as potholes or sinkholes allowed in the official Villages vocabulary, they are referred to as depressions. And the green fees will be close to $75 for a resident member after taxes.

[JGibson]

There are no such things as potholes or sinkholes allowed in the official Villages vocabulary, they are referred to as depressions. And the green fees will be close to $75 for a resident member after taxes.
Thanks I needed that laugh. 😂

[DARFAP]

Funny. Sarasota driving range doesn't seem to require collared shirts.

[UpNorth]

There are no such things as potholes or sinkholes allowed in the official Villages vocabulary, they are referred to as depressions. And the green fees will be close to $75 for a resident member after taxes.

You would think that for $75, you would get better conditions than exist today.

[Bogie Shooter]

This pothole at Palmers has been there for almost a year now, they only put a cone over it a couple of months ago.

Yet, don't you dare go on that driving range without a collared shirt.

Oh, also a friendly reminder the green fees will be $70 come Jan 1.

Fix the dam pothole already!

What was the pro’s response when you asked about the damage?

[TSO/ISPF]

There is enough demand to allow for a 75 Dollar green. Nothing personal, It's just business. Happy New Year!

[kcrazorbackfan]

What was the pro’s response when you asked about the damage?

As you probably know, people are “brave” hiding behind a keyboard rather than going to the source as to ask when the pothole may be fixed, why the green fees are $70, why he has to wear a collared shirt on the range, yada, yada, yada.

[Topspinmo]

I suspect lopez and palmers will go way of HH country club in distant future as villages gets closer to highway 50.

[CarlR33]

Maybe you can use a sharpie to mark the cone “fix the damn pot hole”? LOL

[JGibson]

As you probably know, people are “brave” hiding behind a keyboard rather than going to the source as to ask when the pothole may be fixed, why the green fees are $70, why he has to wear a collared shirt on the range, yada, yada, yada.

I'm sure they will get right on it when I ask about it. LOL!

It's actually sad to see Palmers go down hill especially with the recent health code violations.

Just be sure to pay the 3% CC tax.

[pokeefe45@aol.com]

I'm sure they will get right on it when I ask about it. LOL!

It's actually sad to see Palmers go down hill especially with the recent health code violations.

Just be sure to pay the 3% CC tax.

Not sure it makes sense to lump Commercial Property Management issues (cracked/potholed sidewalks) with any VCCD golf issues and it is definitely NOT productive to even allude to issues at the restaurant and equate it to have anything to do with golf. We all know the restaurants are privately run, the grounds are kept up by the developer on championship courses, but managed by the District. Don't we?

[Two Bills]

What was the pro’s response when you asked about the damage?

He said, "I bet the Bogie Man sent you!"

[mickey100]

Hmm. My spouse was on the putting green at Mallory recently and told to wear a collared shirt.

[mickey100]

There is enough demand to allow for a 75 Dollar green. Nothing personal, It's just business. Happy New Year!

Exactly. They have a captive audience here, so to speak. Most people won't go outside the Villages where course conditions are better and prices are cheaper, and The Villages takes advantage of that. Good business for them, not so great for the residents.

[golfing eagles]

Funny. Sarasota driving range doesn't seem to require collared shirts.

Actually, they do. Whether someone got away with it or not is NOT the issue. My brother-in-law was kicked off the chipping green for not wearing a collared shirt.

[golfing eagles]

I suspect lopez and palmers will go way of HH country club in distant future as villages gets closer to highway 50.

Sorry, I didn't realize the golf course at Hacienda was gone. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

Actually, they do. Whether someone got away with it or not is NOT the issue. My brother-in-law was kicked off the chipping green for not wearing a collared shirt.

Ditto.
Son in law.
No token for range balls until properly attired.

[Topspinmo]

Sorry, I didn't realize the golf course at Hacienda was gone. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


But were the country club? How thing people feel that brought on course? Three more fine examples how things try to get pawn off on districts. Sure it might take 10 more years of neglect. But don’t count you birdies. :1rotfl::1rotfl: O wait most of us won’t be around in ten years. :ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

But were the country club? How thing people feel that brought on course? Three more fine examples how things try to get pawn off on districts. Sure it might take 10 more years of neglect. But don’t count you birdies. :1rotfl::1rotfl: O wait most of us won’t be around in ten years. :ohdear:

Most people who bought on that course couldn't see the clubhouse anyway. I doubt many bought because there was a clubhouse nearby, they bought for the view primarily. I live on Evans Prairie and the presence of a clubhouse 2 holes away never entered into my decision.
And what makes anyone think that TV is destined to "neglect" that golf course, if anywhere, OBH would be first on the list to "neglect".

[Laker14]

Actually, they do. Whether someone got away with it or not is NOT the issue. My brother-in-law was kicked off the chipping green for not wearing a collared shirt.

I have a golfing buddy who was told on the range at Sarasota that he had to have a collared shirt.

[fdpaq0580]

I have a golfing buddy who was told on the range at Sarasota that he had to have a collared shirt.

One thing to have a collared shirt. Another to decide how to "wear it".

[Gpsma]

More golfers complaints..never stops…like the villages are here for just golfers

Dying sport….we need to change the golf courses to pickleball courts…the new generations game

[golfing eagles]

More golfers complaints..never stops…like the villages are here for just golfers


You mean it isn't?????

Dying sport….we need to change the golf courses to pickleball courts…the new generations game

Old news---golf has been growing steadily over the last 8-10 years

[MX rider]

Funny. Sarasota driving range doesn't seem to require collared shirts.
Wrong! I was there about a month ago and I was wearing a t shirt. They wouldn't sell me any range balls because I wasn't wearing a collar shirt.

[JMintzer]

More golfers complaints..never stops…like the villages are here for just golfers

Dying sport….we need to change the golf courses to pickleball courts…the new generations game

Did you miss the thread where someone claims that pickleball was just a "fad"?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Actually, they do. Whether someone got away with it or not is NOT the issue. My brother-in-law was kicked off the chipping green for not wearing a collared shirt.

They DO NOT require collared shirts. A nice tee shirt with no unpresentable graphics or sayings is acceptable; no “wife beater” shirts allowed.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Wrong! I was there about a month ago and I was wearing a t shirt. They wouldn't sell me any range balls because I wasn't wearing a collar shirt.

See post #27; did your shirt match any of the non allowed shirts I posted?

[HoosierPa]

There is enough demand to allow for a 75 Dollar green. Nothing personal, It's just business. Happy New Year!

And bet their net annually is break even at best.

[HoosierPa]

Go play Continental. Great conditions. New greens are the best and fairways over-seeded.
Oh, and great price for golf / lunch specials.

[sdeikenberry]

Cart paths at Hacienda have been very bad for years. Broken concrete, heaved sections, concrete completely missing. The Palmer pot hole is nothing compared to Hacienda cart path conditions.

[PersonOfInterest]

This pothole at Palmers has been there for almost a year now, they only put a cone over it a couple of months ago.

Yet, don't you dare go on that driving range without a collared shirt.

Oh, also a friendly reminder the green fees will be $70 come Jan 1.

Fix the dam pothole already!

If your ball lands in the pothole, play it as 'ground under repair'.

[JGibson]

If your ball lands in the pothole, play it as 'ground under repair'.

The funny thing is the pothole is right next to the starter shack.
They stare at it all day long. lol.

[Jazzman]

Not sure it makes sense to lump Commercial Property Management issues (cracked/potholed sidewalks) with any VCCD golf issues and it is definitely NOT productive to even allude to issues at the restaurant and equate it to have anything to do with golf. We all know the restaurants are privately run, the grounds are kept up by the developer on championship courses, but managed by the District. Don't we?

Maybe that’s the issue you think? Three different groups all functioning within the same venue. So who is in charge overall?

[Papa_lecki]

If your ball lands in the pothole, play it as 'ground under repair'.

I thought we were naming fairway bunkers on Riley Grove.

Palmer’s Pit
Arnies Crater

[coleprice]

There are no such things as potholes or sinkholes allowed in the official Villages vocabulary, they are referred to as depressions. And the green fees will be close to $75 for a resident member after taxes.

Thousands of Villages residence pay hefty trail fees, which should pay for repairs & maintenance. Many of the golf course trails have cracks, pot holes and areas lifted by tree roots that should be addressed on a regular basis.

[golfing eagles]

Thousands of Villages residence pay hefty trail fees, which should pay for repairs & maintenance. Many of the golf course trails have cracks, pot holes and areas lifted by tree roots that should be addressed on a regular basis.

The "trail fee" pays for maintenance of paths on the executive courses, NOT Palmer or any other championship course.

One might also argue that $4/ round or $140 for a year of unlimited use is hardly "hefty"

[Papa_lecki]

Thousands of Villages residence pay hefty trail fees, which should pay for repairs & maintenance. Many of the golf course trails have cracks, pot holes and areas lifted by tree roots that should be addressed on a regular basis.

Also, it looks like the ‘pothole’ is on a MMP, not even the golf course (let alone an executive course) where the trail fee is directed.

[kendi]

Oh how spoiled we’ve become.

[Jim1mack]

The first time I went there I was wearing a t-shirt. They called me on it nd provided me a golf shirt to wear while there. Have to return it though.

[Bogie Shooter]

The first time I went there I was wearing a t-shirt. They called me on it nd provided me a golf shirt to wear while there. Have to return it though.

Where is “there”?

[golfing eagles]

Where is “there”?

A place other than "here"????? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[chickadee]

Funny. Sarasota driving range doesn't seem to require collared shirts.

My grandsons were required to wear a collared shirt, even when only 7 and 9 years old at Sarasota. Guess it depends on who is “ working at the window”..

[DavidK]

Funny. Sarasota driving range doesn't seem to require collared shirts.

It depends on who you talk to. I was told there were no restrictions on the dress code at Sarasota Driving Range, which makes it friendlier to residents and visitors. Then I was told by another Sarasota Driving Range employee, that the same rules apply as those on the courses. It does not make sense.

[DavidK]

Regarding the pothole - remember it is cheaper to put a cone over the hole than to fix the hole. Just like bumps in the road, it is easier to put up a sign that says "bump" than to fix the bump. Hahaha

[missyomama]

I love how they mark the cart paths for tree roots lifting the path. They use quick fade paint. I'm surprised no one has lost equipment riding over these, sort of, marked hazzards.

[Papa_lecki]

It depends on who you talk to. I was told there were no restrictions on the dress code at Sarasota Driving Range, which makes it friendlier to residents and visitors. Then I was told by another Sarasota Driving Range employee, that the same rules apply as those on the courses. It does not make sense.

How is requiring a collar on a shirt “friendlier”?

[golfing eagles]

They DO NOT require collared shirts. A nice tee shirt with no unpresentable graphics or sayings is acceptable; no “wife beater” shirts allowed.

Let's end this debate with THE FACTS: From Golfthevillages.com:
The following dress code is for all championship and executive golf courses, The Villages Golf Academy, driving ranges, warm-up nets and putting greens.
The acceptable golf attire includes, but is not limited to, the below:

Shoes must be worn at all times when on the golf courses. Tennis or golf shoes with soft spikes, or shoes with no more than a 1-inch heel, are mandatory.
Shorts or skirts must cover the majority of the thigh and may not be cut-off or have holes.
Denim pants are allowed.
No overall, tennis skirts, cut-offs, biking shorts, bathing suits or athletic exercise apparel.
Dress Code for Women
Fashion golf tops may be without a collar but should not expose the stomach and must have straps at least 2-inches wide.

Dress Code for Men
Shirts shall have a collar and sleeves. Turtle-necks or mock turtle-necks are acceptable. (Min. 1 1/4 inch collars.)

End of debate (although we all know that on TOTV it won't end it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[JGibson]

Let's end this debate with THE FACTS: From Golfthevillages.com:
The following dress code is for all championship and executive golf courses, The Villages Golf Academy, driving ranges, warm-up nets and putting greens.
The acceptable golf attire includes, but is not limited to, the below:

Shoes must be worn at all times when on the golf courses. Tennis or golf shoes with soft spikes, or shoes with no more than a 1-inch heel, are mandatory.
Shorts or skirts must cover the majority of the thigh and may not be cut-off or have holes.
Denim pants are allowed.
No overall, tennis skirts, cut-offs, biking shorts, bathing suits or athletic exercise apparel.
Dress Code for Women
Fashion golf tops may be without a collar but should not expose the stomach and must have straps at least 2-inches wide.

Dress Code for Men
Shirts shall have a collar and sleeves. Turtle-necks or mock turtle-necks are acceptable. (Min. 1 1/4 inch collars.)

End of debate (although we all know that on TOTV it won't end it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

First- The pothole is getting worse and now requires two cones.

Second- How long ago was these rules written and do they need to be amended?

I can't wait for some transgender to step out on the course without a collar or sleeves and see how TV is going to handle it.

Separate apparel for genders is so outdated, antiquated and borderline discriminatory.

I guarantee you TV will cave to the rules when future generations filled with non-binary folks start moving into TV.

Some of these rules need to be revisited to be more inclusive to an ever changing society.

You may not like the changes in society and some of them don't make sense to me but nevertheless TV will need to change with the times.

Folks don't walk around in suits and top hats like the 30's anymore.

Even corporate offices have become much more casual in their attire requirements.

Lastly,
FIX THE DAM POTHOLE!

[golfing eagles]

Let's end this debate with THE FACTS:

End of debate (although we all know that on TOTV it won't end it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

First- The pothole is getting worse and now requires two cones.

Second- How long ago was these rules written and do they need to be amended?

I can't wait for some transgender to step out on the course without a collar or sleeves and see how TV is going to handle it.

Separate apparel for genders is so outdated, antiquated and borderline discriminatory.

I guarantee you TV will cave to the rules when future generations filled with non-binary folks start moving into TV.

Some of these rules need to be revisited to be more inclusive to an ever changing society.

You may not like the changes in society and some of them don't make sense to me but nevertheless TV will need to change with the times.

Folks don't walk around in suits and top hats like the 30's anymore.

Even corporate offices have become much more casual in their attire requirements.

Lastly,
FIX THE DAM POTHOLE!

Like I predicted, quoting THE CURRENT FACTS FROM THEVILLAGESGOLF.COM did not end the debate:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Post, meet brick wall.

PS: By all means, let's change all the rules for "transgenders". Pure insanity.

[JGibson]

Like I predicted, quoting THE CURRENT FACTS FROM THEVILLAGESGOLF.COM did not end the debate:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Post, meet brick wall.

PS: By all means, let's change all the rules for "transgenders". Pure insanity.

The Pothole is still not fixed so there is no brick wall, just broken concrete.

Insanity is throwing a 9-year-old kid off the driving range over a stupid collar.

[golfing eagles]

The Pothole is still not fixed so there is no brick wall, just broken concrete.

Insanity is throwing a 9-year-old kid off the driving range over a stupid collar.

You're right about the pothole, far too long.

So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire? Cut-offs? Daisy Dukes? G strings?
Golf is not the WWF or MASCAR, a little decorum, please.

[tophcfa]

So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire?

Being required to wear long pants. Why in the world should anyone be required to wear long pants on a hazy, hot, and humid summer day during an outdoor sporting activity. Sometimes changing a totally ridiculous long time tradition is necessary. Also, since everyone seems to be hell bent on total equality these days, why is it that only women can golf in shirts with no sleeves or collars?

[edtherock]

Here is one other viewpoint about this pothole or depression. While the Laurel valley course was under renovation, they had many many concrete trucks come in to replace many concrete cart paths. But did they fix this one small depression that many people ride over everyday? Noooooo. Very poor planning.

[mickey100]

You're right about the pothole, far too long.

So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire? Cut-offs? Daisy Dukes? G strings?
Golf is not the WWF or MASCAR, a little decorum, please.

Which is worse - a designer shirt with no collar with a nice pair of pants, or a baggy pair of dad jeans with a faded collared shirt? Seriously, I could never understand how they would allow jeans, yet come down on collarless shirts. And why is it okay for women to wear collarless shirts, and men not?

As far as that goes I look at some of the clown outfits on the golf course, and shake my head. John Daly comes to mind. Decorum? I think not.

My friend's husband ran into that a a driving range once. He had an expensive nice looking shirt on with a minimal rolled collar that didn't meet their "specs." They told him to put on a collared shirt. My female friend had an extra shirt in the car that was a size too small for her husband but he put it on to satisfy "the rules". Of course every time he made a golf swing the shirt rode up and showed off his belly. How stupid is that? Globally the sport of golf has been on the decline. Golf courses need to use a little common sense when it comes to a dress code if they want to keep people involved in the game.

[golfing eagles]

Which is worse - a designer shirt with no collar with a nice pair of pants, or a baggy pair of dad jeans with a faded collared shirt? Seriously, I could never understand how they would allow jeans, yet come down on collarless shirts. And why is it okay for women to wear collarless shirts, and men not?

As far as that goes I look at some of the clown outfits on the golf course, and shake my head. John Daly comes to mind. Decorum? I think not.

My friend's husband ran into that a a driving range once. He had an expensive nice looking shirt on with a minimal rolled collar that didn't meet their "specs." They told him to put on a collared shirt. My female friend had an extra shirt in the car that was a size too small for her husband but he put it on to satisfy "the rules". Of course every time he made a golf swing the shirt rode up and showed off his belly. How stupid is that? Globally the sport of golf has been on the decline. Golf courses need to use a little common sense when it comes to a dress code if they want to keep people involved in the game.

There is an urban legend, true or not, about jeans. They were not permitted on the golf course until one day Gary Morse showed up to play in jeans. The starter told him he couldn't play, and in response he told him that as of that moment, jeans are allowed.

As far as golf being in decline, that is simply not true, it is actually gaining participants. The only facet that was ever in decline was private country club membership, due to the cost and the economy.

From Statistica: " In 2022, the number of people participating in golf in the United States reached 25.6 million, representing a slight increase on the previous year. It also represented the highest on-course participation in more than a decade."

Now, if anyone would like to present a source that states overall participation in golf is declining, this is their chance

[MX rider]

There is an urban legend, true or not, about jeans. They were not permitted on the golf course until one day Gary Morse showed up to play in jeans. The starter told him he couldn't play, and in response he told him that as of that moment, jeans are allowed.

As far as golf being in decline, that is simply not true, it is actually gaining participants. The only facet that was ever in decline was private country club membership, due to the cost and the economy.

From Statistica: " In 2022, the number of people participating in golf in the United States reached 25.6 million, representing a slight increase on the previous year. It also represented the highest on-course participation in more than a decade."

Now, if anyone would like to present a source that states overall participation in golf is declining, this is their chance

The world has gone casual, whether you like it or not. They could allow t shirts but say no tank tops or cutoffs. Besides, they basically allow women to wear whatever they want, tank tops and yoga pants are common these days, and I'm fine with that. Especailly since we all basiacally own the executive courses.

I'm far less concerned about what people are wearing and much more concerned about pace of play, as well as people not fixing divots and ball marks.

As far as potholes, I'm surprised how many I see that have been there for while on the main roads, 466A, Bailey Trail and Odell come to mind.

[golfing eagles]

The world has gone casual, whether you like it or not. They could allow t shirts but say no tank tops or cutoffs. Besides, they basically allow women to wear whatever they want, tank tops and yoga pants are common these days, and I'm fine with that. Especailly since we all basiacally own the executive courses.

I'm far less concerned about what people are wearing and much more concerned about pace of play, as well as people not fixing divots and ball marks.

As far as potholes, I'm surprised how many I see that have been there for while on the main roads, 466A, Bailey Trail and Odell come to mind.

I don't recall offering my personal opinion on whether I like it or not. I was citing THE RULES. Even if someone favors a more casual golfing dress code, they don't get to MAKE UP THEIR OWN RULES. Complain to the tee time office, golf administration or start a petition if they want something changed.

[mickey100]

There is an urban legend, true or not, about jeans. They were not permitted on the golf course until one day Gary Morse showed up to play in jeans. The starter told him he couldn't play, and in response he told him that as of that moment, jeans are allowed.

As far as golf being in decline, that is simply not true, it is actually gaining participants. The only facet that was ever in decline was private country club membership, due to the cost and the economy.

From Statistica: " In 2022, the number of people participating in golf in the United States reached 25.6 million, representing a slight increase on the previous year. It also represented the highest on-course participation in more than a decade."

Now, if anyone would like to present a source that states overall participation in golf is declining, this is their chance

All sources available show that golf was on a decline worldwide, then golf play was up during the pandemic, because there were few options on things one could do safely around others. However, NPR quotes a study entitled Implications of the Rise and Decline of Golf. According to the study, Golf reached its peak around 2005 but then began to show a consistent annual decline in the number of players - a function of the high cost of playing, and the game's incompatibility with contemporary lifestyles. Then came the pandemic and golf rebounded for obvious reasons. At this point, there is nothing to suggest golf will not revert back to its previous declining numbers. Interestingly, Golf Digest had an article describing the mix of today's golfers - about 1/3 "golf" exclusively on driving ranges or putt--putt courses, 1/3 play on actual golf courses, and 1/3 do both. These are different types of players than what has historically permeated country club or 18 hole golf courses. And back to the topic at hand, no one would be surprised if this type of player didn't take kindly to being told to leave a putt-putt course or driving range due to the lack of a collared shirt.

[golfing eagles]

All sources available show that golf was on a decline worldwide, then golf play was up during the pandemic, because there were few options on things one could do safely around others. However, NPR quotes a study entitled Implications of the Rise and Decline of Golf. According to the study, Golf reached its peak around 2005 but then began to show a consistent annual decline in the number of players - a function of the high cost of playing, and the game's incompatibility with contemporary lifestyles. Then came the pandemic and golf rebounded for obvious reasons. At this point, there is nothing to suggest golf will not revert back to its previous declining numbers. Interestingly, Golf Digest had an article describing the mix of today's golfers - about 1/3 "golf" exclusively on driving ranges or putt--putt courses, 1/3 play on actual golf courses, and 1/3 do both. These are different types of players than what has historically permeated country club or 18 hole golf courses. And back to the topic at hand, no one would be surprised if this type of player didn't take kindly to being told to leave a putt-putt course or driving range due to the lack of a collared shirt.

OK, let's try this again:

From Statistica: " In 2022, the number of people participating in golf in the United States reached 25.6 million, representing a slight increase on the previous year. It also represented the highest on-course participation in more than a decade."

[JGibson]

You're right about the pothole, far too long.

So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire? Cut-offs? Daisy Dukes? G strings?
Golf is not the WWF or MASCAR, a little decorum, please.

They allow flip-flops and jeans and you call that decorum?

Nobody is asking for thongs, cut-offs, and my T-shirt from college but give us the same courtesy you give women and drop the irritating and sweaty collar charade.

There are so many nice Under-Armour type dry-fit shirts that have more decorum than flip-flops and jeans.

Is this really asking too much?

Oh, and fix the dam pothole!

[golfing eagles]

They allow flip-flops and jeans and you call that decorum?

Nobody is asking for thongs, cut-offs, and my T-shirt from college but give us the same courtesy you give women and drop the irritating and sweaty collar charade.

There are so many nice Under-Armour type dry-fit shirts that have more decorum than flip-flops and jeans.

Is this really asking too much?

Oh, and fix the dam pothole!

They're not MY rules, so I really can't help you.

[JGibson]

They're not MY rules, so I really can't help you.

You asked so I answered.

I drive past this pothole/cone everyday and will give updates periodically.

Hopefully it's fixed before next New Years.

[MX rider]

They're not MY rules, so I really can't help you. You were just lecturing us on proper atire and making fun of NASCAR fans.

[golfing eagles]

You were just lecturing us on proper atire and making fun of NASCAR fans.

I was citing the rules of proper attire MADE BY THE VILLAGES.

But yes, I was making fun of NASCAR fans----no reason not to:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MX rider]

I was citing the rules of proper attire MADE BY THE VILLAGES.

But yes, I was making fun of NASCAR fans----no reason not to:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

This is not citing the rules.

"So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire? Cut-offs? Daisy Dukes? G strings?
Golf is not the WWF or MASCAR, a little decorum, please."
Sounds more like lecturing to me.

[golfing eagles]

This is not citing the rules.

"So where would you draw the line on proper golf attire? Cut-offs? Daisy Dukes? G strings?
Golf is not the WWF or MASCAR, a little decorum, please."
Sounds more like lecturing to me.

Whatever.

[Laker14]

There is an urban legend, true or not, about jeans. They were not permitted on the golf course until one day Gary Morse showed up to play in jeans. The starter told him he couldn't play, and in response he told him that as of that moment, jeans are allowed.

As far as golf being in decline, that is simply not true, it is actually gaining participants. The only facet that was ever in decline was private country club membership, due to the cost and the economy.

From Statistica: " In 2022, the number of people participating in golf in the United States reached 25.6 million, representing a slight increase on the previous year. It also represented the highest on-course participation in more than a decade."

Now, if anyone would like to present a source that states overall participation in golf is declining, this is their chance

I have plenty of proof that MY golf game is declining.

[John Mayes]

They allow flip-flops and jeans and you call that decorum?

Nobody is asking for thongs, cut-offs, and my T-shirt from college but give us the same courtesy you give women and drop the irritating and sweaty collar charade.

There are so many nice Under-Armour type dry-fit shirts that have more decorum than flip-flops and jeans.

Is this really asking too much?

Oh, and fix the dam pothole!

Flip-Flops aren’t allowed.

[JGibson]

Flip-Flops aren’t allowed.

It surely isn't enforced if true. I see tons of people in flip-flops and open sandals on the course.

They only seemed concerned about men and that magical collar. It's so dumb because they allow Henely shirts.

Oh, the pothole is still not fixed.

[kcrazorbackfan]

First- The pothole is getting worse and now requires two cones.

Second- How long ago was these rules written and do they need to be amended?

I can't wait for some transgender to step out on the course without a collar or sleeves and see how TV is going to handle it.

Separate apparel for genders is so outdated, antiquated and borderline discriminatory.

I guarantee you TV will cave to the rules when future generations filled with non-binary folks start moving into TV.

Some of these rules need to be revisited to be more inclusive to an ever changing society.

You may not like the changes in society and some of them don't make sense to me but nevertheless TV will need to change with the times.

Folks don't walk around in suits and top hats like the 30's anymore.

Even corporate offices have become much more casual in their attire requirements.

Lastly,
FIX THE DAM POTHOLE!

So.
Who cares?
It has been.
Why?
Probably not.
Why?
Nope.
Good.
So?
Why? It’s a conversation piece.

[justjim]

Hmm. My spouse was on the putting green at Mallory recently and told to wear a collared shirt.

But it’s ok to wear jeans! Really…

[fdpaq0580]

But it’s ok to wear jeans! Really…

Hey! In many cases jeans are preferable to shorts. Some of those legs need hiding. (Gives me the shudders just thinking about some of the things I've seen.)

[JGibson]

Hey! In many cases jeans are preferable to shorts. Some of those legs need hiding. (Gives me the shudders just thinking about some of the things I've seen.)

So folks with less than attractive legs should wear jeans in 95 degree weather so you don't get the shudders?

TV is not exactly a college campus. lol.

[Marathon Man]

You asked so I answered.

I drive past this pothole/cone everyday and will give updates periodically.

Hopefully it's fixed before next New Years.

Wow. Seems like a lot of emotion over a bad spot in the concrete. Look forward to your updates.

[Hape2Bhr]

It surely isn't enforced if true. I see tons of people in flip-flops and open sandals on the course...

Is this a weight criticism? Tons of people?

[fdpaq0580]

So folks with less than attractive legs should wear jeans in 95 degree weather so you don't get the shudders?

TV is not exactly a college campus. lol.

Not a college campus, is true. But surely college colors, flags, etc, make up a disproportionate amount of the color scheme for TV. And lots of partying, drinking going on like in the "good old days".
Sometimes I wonder. Not that TV is a college campus, but plenty of folks act like it is.

[MX rider]

It surely isn't enforced if true. I see tons of people in flip-flops and open sandals on the course.

They only seemed concerned about men and that magical collar. It's so dumb because they allow Henely shirts.

Oh, the pothole is still not fixed.

Exactly.
I played at Churchill Tuesday and saw 2 women in non collar shirts and yoga pants, which I'm totally fine with. And yes I've seen sandals as well. Again, to each their own.
But it's bs when I can't buy a bucket of range balls at Sarasota because I don't have a shirt on with a collar. But no big deal. I just drive a bit farther to where a bucket is less money and no dress code.

[mickey100]

Exactly.
I played at Churchill Tuesday and saw 2 women in non collar shirts and yoga pants, which I'm totally fine with. And yes I've seen sandals as well. Again, to each their own.
But it's bs when I can't buy a bucket of range balls at Sarasota because I don't have a shirt on with a collar.

I agree. It's a hypocritical rule. One rule for women, a different rule for men. And then allowing blue jeans?...:shocked:

[bilcon]

Hmm. My spouse was on the putting green at Mallory recently and told to wear a collared shirt.

I decided to go to Cane Garden putting green to try a few putts after I broke my shoulder. I never even thought of a collard shirt. I was told by the ambassador I needed a collard shirt. Just then, along comes farmer Brown in his jeans to play golf. Really. Even Continental CC doesn't allow jeans on the golf course. I can see a collard shirt on the course, but on the putting green?

[UpNorth]

I decided to go to Cane Garden putting green to try a few putts after I broke my shoulder. I never even thought of a collard shirt. I was told by the ambassador I needed a collard shirt. Just then, along comes farmer Brown in his jeans to play golf. Really. Even Continental CC doesn't allow jeans on the golf course. I can see a collard shirt on the course, but on the putting green?

If you wanted to break all the dress code rules at my private country club up north, you would show up in jeans, with an untucked t-shirt, sandals, and a baseball cap turned backwards. If you wanted to skip the jeans you could wear gym shorts. But the ladies get away with just about anything.

[fdpaq0580]

If you wanted to break all the dress code rules at my private country club up north, you would show up in jeans, with and untucked t-shirt, sandals, and a baseball cap turned backwards. If you wanted to skip the jeans you could wear gym shorts. But the ladies get away with just about anything.

How dare you demand equality with women! Next you'll be wanting to show your hairy cleavage. What is the world coming to?

[fdpaq0580]

I decided to go to Cane Garden putting green to try a few putts after I broke my shoulder. I never even thought of a collard shirt. I was told by the ambassador I needed a collard shirt. Just then, along comes farmer Brown in his jeans to play golf. Really. Even Continental CC doesn't allow jeans on the golf course. I can see a collard shirt on the course, but on the putting green?

Farmer Brown would have worn overalls and boots, maybe rubber boots.

[fdpaq0580]

Dress like the 1930s.

[blueash]

I decided to go to Cane Garden putting green to try a few putts after I broke my shoulder. I never even thought of a collard shirt. I was told by the ambassador I needed a collard shirt. Just then, along comes farmer Brown in his jeans to play golf. Really. Even Continental CC doesn't allow jeans on the golf course. I can see a collard shirt on the course, but on the putting green?

C'mon, it was a collard green, am I right?

[UpNorth]

Farmer Brown would have worn overalls and boots, maybe rubber boots.

And likely would have shot par...:a040:

[fdpaq0580]

And likely would have shot par...:a040:

Yup! Clothes make the man.

[JGibson]

Is this a weight criticism? Tons of people?

It's called a "figure of speech"

Even Pitch and Putt requires a collar. It has to be the only P&P in the world that requires a collar.

If TV had miniature golf you can bet they would require a collar.

Back to the pothole you would think they would be concerned about a lawsuit as it's a significantly deep hole.

[fdpaq0580]

It's called a "figure of speech"

Even Pitch and Putt requires a collar. It has to be the only P&P in the world that requires a collar.

If TV had miniature golf you can bet they would require a collar.

Back to the pothole you would think they would be concerned about a lawsuit as it's a significantly deep hole.

No. Not worried about a lawsuit cause they put a "cone" out there.

[JGibson]

No. Not worried about a lawsuit cause they put a "cone" out there.

lol. The cone doesn't even cover the entire hole.

We're suppose to fill divots but GOD forbid they fix that one year old pothole.

If it was in front of the Proshop or Restaurant it would have been fixed immediately.

[Two Bills]

Funny how rules only upset people who don't want to follow them.
Their ball, their game.

[fdpaq0580]

lol. The cone doesn't even cover the entire hole.

We're suppose to fill divots but GOD forbid they fix that one year old pothole.

If it was in front of the Proshop or Restaurant it would have been fixed immediately.

Divots? Maybe "WE" are also expected to fill "road divots" around the golf courses? I can cover the cost of a bag of concrete. Who will bring the shovel?

[JGibson]

Divots? Maybe "WE" are also expected to fill "road divots" around the golf courses? I can cover the cost of a bag of concrete. Who will bring the shovel?

THAT'S IT! They're waiting for US to fix it. My apologies I'll get right on it.

[fdpaq0580]

THAT'S IT! They're waiting for US to fix it. My apologies I'll get right on it.

I wonder what would happen if we actually did show up with concrete and did fill the hole.

[JGibson]

I wonder what would happen if we actually did show up with concrete and did fill the hole.

They probably wouldn't let us touch it and claim something, something insurance liability.

[fdpaq0580]

They probably wouldn't let us touch it and claim something, something insurance liability.

Yeah! You're right!
Still, maybe if some poor person in a golfcart was blinded by headlights juuuust as they were approached and caught their wheel in the "forever pot hole" and wrecked and called Morgan and Morgan and sued for, oh, say $10 million for damages, pain and suffering due to knowingly failing to fix a long standing safety issue? Who knows. Maybe it would get the attention that it should. Maybe!

[JGibson]

Yeah! You're right!
Still, maybe if some poor person in a golfcart was blinded by headlights juuuust as they were approached and caught their wheel in the "forever pot hole" and wrecked and called Morgan and Morgan and sued for, oh, say $10 million for damages, pain and suffering due to knowingly failing to fix a long standing safety issue? Who knows. Maybe it would get the attention that it should. Maybe!

If that happens I'll be more than happy to be a witness with pictures of it throughout the last year.

[JGibson]

Just an update the infamous Palmer's pothole is still not fixed and getting bigger, the cone is crooked now because the concrete is lifting.

[Laker14]

Perhaps it has been there long enough to attain the status of "Historical Landmark" and there may be significant paperwork involved in repairing.
Like the busted up pier at Lake Sumter Landing, from the hurricane of "ought-six"....You have to protect our history.

[fdpaq0580]

Perhaps it has been there long enough to attain the status of "Historical Landmark" and there may be significant paperwork involved in repairing.
Like the busted up pier at Lake Sumter Landing, from the hurricane of "ought-six"....You have to protect our history.

LOL!! You may be more right than you know.

[Two Bills]

They used to say 'Life begins at Forty,' but in TV 'History begins at Forty!'

[JGibson]

Perhaps it has been there long enough to attain the status of "Historical Landmark" and there may be significant paperwork involved in repairing.
Like the busted up pier at Lake Sumter Landing, from the hurricane of "ought-six"....You have to protect our history.

LOL.

At least give it something more historic worthy than an orange come.

[JeffJane]

Find what the Villages has to offer and move there. Hopefully no potholes and free golf will await..

[Laker14]

Find what the Villages has to offer and move there. Hopefully no potholes and free golf will await..

I assume your post is meant to take the position that we should just be happy we have so many amenities, and not complain about deteriorating conditions in and around the place we call home.

Or is it a heartfelt suggestion that when things do start to deteriorate we should move away to a shiny new place that hasn't started deteriorating?

Perhaps you could expand on the comment so we can more fully understand what you intend to convey with it.

[JGibson]

Find what the Villages has to offer and move there. Hopefully, no potholes and free golf will await.

Palmer is not free by any means.

That is the joke a $80 a round course has a big pothole and their solution for a year has been a cone.

The Pothole also creates a one-way trail for a two-way trail which is an accident waiting to happen.

There is a saying the squeaky wheel gets the oil, well I’m squeaking.

Maybe if you drove past it every day you would have a different opinion.

[Laker14]

Palmer is not free by any means.

That is the joke a $80 a round course has a big pothole and their solution for a year has been a cone.

The Pothole also creates a one-way trail for a two-way trail which is an accident waiting to happen.

There is a saying the squeaky wheel gets the oil, well I’m squeaking.

Maybe if you drove past it every day you would have a different opinion.

I agree with you totally. The question I am about to ask is in no way meant to suggest otherwise.

I haven't been up that way in a while. Is the pothole on the MMP or inside the actual Palmer Legends property?

[JGibson]

I agree with you totally. The question I am about to ask is in no way meant to suggest otherwise.

I haven't been up that way in a while. Is the pothole on the MMP or inside the actual Palmer Legends property?

It doesn't matter the folks who own the golf course owns the MMP. I believe.
The restaurant is leased.

Although I would consider it to be on Palmer’s property.

It's amazing that I was watching them put out fresh flowers at the Palmer round about but the Pothole goes ignored.

*shakes head*

[Laker14]

It doesn't matter the folks who own the golf course owns the MMP. I believe.
The restaurant is leased.

Although I would consider it to be on Palmer’s property.

It's amazing that I was watching them put out fresh flowers at the Palmer round about but the Pothole goes ignored.

*shakes head*

The MMPs are maintained by the District Property Management, and I would assume anything inside the Palmer grounds is maintained by the business entity that owns Palmer Legends.

If the pothole is on an MMP, then notifying DPM would be appropriate. If it's on the grounds of Palmer Legends, then it's the responsibility of whatever entity owns the Palmer Legends facility.

[Aces4]

What was the pro’s response when you asked about the damage?

Does the pro fix potholes? Does that allowing him time for teaching?:22yikes:

[JGibson]

The MMPs are maintained by the District Property Management, and I would assume anything inside the Palmer grounds is maintained by the business entity that owns Palmer Legends.

If the pothole is on an MMP, then notifying DPM would be appropriate. If it's on the grounds of Palmer Legends, then it's the responsibility of whatever entity owns the Palmer Legends facility.

You decide whose responsibility.

[JGibson]

Just wanted to give an update on Palmers Pothole.

It seems the speed bump was either removed or came off its anchors and was tossed to the side.

I haven't been this way in a few weeks but this is beyond embarrassing at this point.

[mike234]

Hmm. My spouse was on the putting green at Mallory recently and told to wear a collared shirt.
looking at some of the outfits at sarasota, both male and female, I hope they bring back the collared shirt rule

[fdpaq0580]

looking at some of the outfits at sarasota, both male and female, I hope they bring back the collared shirt rule

Scots invented the game. Let's bring back the kilt. Perfect for a summer game.

[Laker14]

You decide whose responsibility.

I'm thinking that's the responsibility of whoever owns the club. It's a struggle for me to believe they can't afford to fix that.

[MX rider]

With all the effort they put into keeping everything so nice here in the Villages, it's surprising they won't fix that. It's not like it's major project. They could easily fix that in a few hours.

[JGibson]

I'm happy to report Palmers Pothole after 1 1/2 years has been fixed and hope this thread served as an inspiration to fix it.

[Topspinmo]

Being required to wear long pants. Why in the world should anyone be required to wear long pants on a hazy, hot, and humid summer day during an outdoor sporting activity. Sometimes changing a totally ridiculous long time tradition is necessary. Also, since everyone seems to be hell bent on total equality these days, why is it that only women can golf in shirts with no sleeves or collars?

We are society with rules what separates use from animals.:BigApplause:

Well men know why? Women are special. :eclipsee_gold_cup:They have they own tees, if complaining they are always right. There dress standards are different cause well they are women. Nobody want to look at old Fa men in shorts and tank top. :shrug:But looking at women in that dress fine that what men do. :pBesides I bet men make up rules. :coolsmiley:IMO men should be wearing the Sunday best like they just got out of church and no golf carts allowed. You know like the early pro’s did when they played walking. After all men emulate and praise early pros, so put yourself in their shoes. If we had those rules there would be less lazy over weight golfers on course and these dress pants and collared shirts rules wouldn’t be problem.

As for pothole non player. Potholes are rare in Florida unless you live on dirt road. Us from up north miss dodging potholes…. :highfive:

I am sad to hear pot has been fixed:sigh:

[dewilson58]

I'm happy to report Palmers Pothole after 1 1/2 years has been fixed and hope this thread served as an inspiration to fix it.

Over 100 posts and had ZERO impact of the repair.

:mornincoffee:

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

More golfers complaints..never stops…like the villages are here for just golfers

Dying sport….we need to change the golf courses to pickleball courts…the new generations game
$75 should help with that

[Topspinmo]

Just wanted to give an update on Palmers Pothole.

It seems the speed bump was either removed or came off its anchors and was tossed to the side.

I haven't been this way in a few weeks but this is beyond embarrassing at this point.


Let’s get to root of the problem? The tree.

[Topspinmo]

Ok, I’ll volunteer to go to Lowe’s buy bag of concrete, bring bale of water and fill in the hole. But that don’t get to root or problem. Just bandaid fix.