Wellpoint

[Altavia]

Fyi: Streets in the Village of Wellpoint, just south of Monarch Grove, are showing up on maps.

So those interested in that area may want to stay in contact their Sales Rep.

[asianthree]

Fyi: Streets in the Village of Wellpoint, just south of Monarch Grove, are showing up on maps.

So those interested in that area may want to stay in contact their Sales Rep.

Have to wonder if the street names are hairdressers, nail techs or office managers. Looks like the street name pool is dwindling :loco:

[Altavia]

Have to wonder if the street names are hairdressers, nail techs or office managers. Looks like the street name pool is dwindling :loco:

LOL, they might be running out of unique employee names at some point.

[Randall55]

Fyi: Streets in the Village of Wellpoint, just south of Monarch Grove, are showing up on maps.

So those interested in that area may want to stay in contact their Sales Rep.New Homes for sale in Lake Denham, Dabney, Moultrie Creek and now Wellpoint? Construction is moving fast!

[badkarma318]

Looks like a Good Place to live . . .

[Pinball wizard]

Have to wonder if the street names are hairdressers, nail techs or office managers. Looks like the street name pool is dwindling :loco:

Wellpoint is also the name of a medical insurance company. So maybe the street names could be the names of drugs, medical conditions, types of operations...
Oxy Ave
Lipitor Lane

:jester:

[margaretmattson]

I am a bit skeptical that the developer will open yet another village for sales. A few weeks ago, when my daughter and I looked at new homes, there were 400+ available homes in Lake Denham and Dabney, 60% of the lots were still available in the Enclave, and over 100+ lots in Moultrie Creek. The sales rep told us there were plans to finish out Richmond, and a few cyv are planned in Hacienda. QUITE A LARGE inventory to unload before opening up another area. The Developer needs to get his sales team to work. They are lagging behind.

[charlie1]

Fyi: Streets in the Village of Wellpoint, just south of Monarch Grove, are showing up on maps.

So those interested in that area may want to stay in contact their Sales Rep.

What map service did you get this from? I agree that Wellpoint will open soon, but, looking at the satellite images, it does not match exactly to what has actually been done. Granted, the changes are not huge. This looks like a map used for initial approval of streets, not from an intactive map service.

[jeffc1965]

You can find it via the Sumter County website. click on link ("Just a Moment")

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[jeffc1965]

We are relocating (via renting initially) to the Villages this spring with the hope to build in the area north of Eastport. Wellpoint, Oak Hollow, and Edenfield are on our list of preferred villages. I am wondering how the developer reacts to slowing economy/market. I am assuming they will dramatically slow the progress given the seemingly growing amount of inventory. For anyone that has been around since before the great financial crisis, was it a dramatic slowing and did any reduction in services/maintenance occur of existing facilities?

[asianthree]

I am a bit skeptical that the developer will open yet another village for sales. A few weeks ago, when my daughter and I looked at new homes, there were 400+ available homes in Lake Denham and Dabney, 60% of the lots were still available in the Enclave, and over 100+ lots in Moultrie Creek. The sales rep told us there were plans to finish out Richmond, and a few cyv are planned in Hacienda. QUITE A LARGE inventory to unload before opening up another area. The Developer needs to get his sales team to work. They are lagging behind.

I agree this is the first time that it seems to be multiple villages with tons of unsold houses. With more than 350 sales reps, guessing it not them lagging. Maybe it’s the areas that aren’t selling, and the fact there isn’t that

This is the last of the houses like in “07” rush to buy before nothing is left

[margaretmattson]

We are relocating (via renting initially) to the Villages this spring with the hope to build in the area north of Eastport. Wellpoint, Oak Hollow, and Edenfield are on our list of preferred villages. I am wondering how the developer reacts to slowing economy/market. I am assuming they will dramatically slow the progress given the seemingly growing amount of inventory. For anyone that has been around since before the great financial crisis, was it a dramatic slowing and did any reduction in services/maintenance occur of existing facilities?I have lived here since early 2000. Each time a Village was open for sales, it sold out very quickly. This is the first time home sales have slumped leaving the Developer with a huge inventory.

Quite a bit of newly constructed home prices were reduced in Lake Denham. My sales rep told me he expects more. However, I do not see this happening. The developer must keep prices relatively the same to satisfy the needs of those who have purchased homes and to protect future sales.

I believe he needs to work with his sales team and come up with new and innovative ways to sell the inventory. In my estimation, he is looking at approx $250 million worth of homes unsold. It's a new world and it is not likely to change back to the old norms. Members of the sales team who cannot find customers in this changed environment should be eliminated.

Your idea to rent before buying is spot on. This will give you time to evaluate the market yourself. A good starting point would be to count the number of new homes and lots available on the Villages site. Each month, do a new count. These numbers will reveal if the slump is continuing or has improved.

[jeffc1965]

margaretmattson /asianthree - Thanks for responding.
I have been watching the Villages housing market extremely closely since Feb 2022. Like you said, homes/lots were flying off of the market. The market has really slowed since Lake Denham/Dabney have been developed. Do you think it is more about the location being so far away from everything (especially before the announcement of the purchase of the "Secret Promise" property)? Could the market have hit a wall so quickly? I know lots of other retirement communities are offering significant incentives to home buyers. I have been told that the Villages doesn't offer incentives. Maybe that will change.

[margaretmattson]

margaretmattson /asianthree - Thanks for responding.
I have been watching the Villages housing market extremely closely since Feb 2022. Like you said, homes/lots were flying off of the market. The market has really slowed since Lake Denham/Dabney have been developed. Do you think it is more about the location being so far away from everything (especially before the announcement of the purchase of the "Secret Promise" property)? Could the market have hit a wall so quickly? I know lots of other retirement communities are offering significant incentives to home buyers. I have been told that the Villages doesn't offer incentives. Maybe that will change.Your guess is as good as anyone's. Location? Perhaps. But, Moultrie Creek is in the Eastport area and sales there are slow. Keep looking at the Villages site. There is an area in Richmond where new homes will be constructed. When Richmond was built it sold out in lightening speed because of it's proximity to Brownwood. If sales are slow there, location IS NOT the reason.

Mortgage rates? Maybe. But, cash buyers now have a choice - buy real estate or earn good interest by investing. People who choose to invest use the interest earned for luxury vacations, cruises, etc. Like you, more are finding it is cheaper to rent.


Buyers who purchased homes for investment are finding it to be a competitive market. With an abundance of rentals, many lose money because they cannot rent the home as easily as anticipated.

Villagers who bought before the mortgage rates increased are sitting pretty. They have lots of equity in their homes and low taxes. Those who got a mortgage received an extremely low rate. In the past, Villagers were known to move at least 3 times. In this market? Why move? It is much cheaper to stay put and remodel if they choose.

Maybe the wave of new buyers want something else. That would be up to the Developer to identify. Do they want maintenance free homes, townhomes, better roofs, more amenities, who knows what will attract more buyers? If the Developer can identify their wants, it will be foolish to resist change.

Many of my younger relatives and their friends are talking about war. Some seem to think even if the USA remains neutral, it will affect our economy. They are having a wait and see attitude.

Other reasons for a sales slump? Increasing insurance rates, hurricanes, scorching hot summers, holiday slow sales, the list goes on. The real reason for a slump in sales is probably a factor of all of these and possibly more.

It is probably best that you continue to monitor the sales. You will be able to recognize if the slump remains constant. Then watch how the developer reacts. If sales increase, you can be certain you can build a home with no worries.

The only incentive the developer has offered is a reduction in the price of 70+ homes. Unfortunately, most of these homes back up to busy streets. It doesn't appear the Developer is keen on giving anything away.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

All I know is I’m sitting here, in Arizona, waiting to sell my house so I can go there. This fix to the economy couldn’t come at a worse time.

[Altavia]

But yet, homes are still being sold.

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[margaretmattson]

But yet, homes are still being sold.Doesnt mean a thing if the majority of those new buyers bought model homes or resales that another has no interest in purchasing. I noticed Patio Villas seem to be selling quickly. This could be investors.

It is best to watch the market and area of interest yourself. It is QUITE OBVIOUS there is a slump in new home sales. Hundreds of homes and lots have been sitting for months. I find it is best to drink your own kool-aid. Avoid the pitcher served by the Villages sales team at all costs.

[Gpsma]

Perhaps those who have been watching the market here have finally realized that homes south of 44 hve been overpriced and lack so many of the amenities of the areas north of 44.

[Randall55]

Perhaps those who have been watching the market here have finally realized that homes south of 44 hve been overpriced and lack so many of the amenities of the areas north of 44.Could be! We moved back to the northern section and are currently renting. We have met several neighbors who have done the same. We are still not certain if we will return to the southern area. Right now, enjoying life and glad to be back by Lopez.

Yes, homes may still be selling, but are they preowned? New home construction appears to be at a stand still. Hundreds of available homes have been sitting for months.

[kansasr]

Perhaps those who have been watching the market here have finally realized that homes south of 44 hve been overpriced and lack so many of the amenities of the areas north of 44.

I love these generalized statements. Living in the deprived south of 44 sections, I'd love to hear what you think are these "so many amenities" that are lacking. Frankly, I find more down here than I did when I lived north of 466A

[Randall55]

I love these generalized statements. Living in the deprived south of 44 sections, I'd love to hear what you think are these "so many amenities" that are lacking. Frankly, I find more down here than I did when I lived north of 466A We lived in Hawkins for several years and were happy to leave that area. It was not what we hoped it would be. Frankly, We found EVERYTHING lacking. We had to drive 20 -30 minutes just to do errands. To each their own. Live well and be happy! It is wonderful to live in a place with so many choices.

[asianthree]

Could be! We moved back to the northern section and are currently renting. We have met several neighbors who have done the same. We are still not certain if we will return to the southern area. Right now, enjoying life and glad to be back by Lopez.

Yes, homes may still be selling, but are they preowned? New home construction appears to be at a stand still. Hundreds of available homes have been sitting for months.

The board is for new homes only, preowned does get a personal photo opp

[asianthree]

I love these generalized statements. Living in the deprived south of 44 sections, I'd love to hear what you think are these "so many amenities" that are lacking. Frankly, I find more down here than I did when I lived north of 466A

Agree moving from LSL to west of LSL to 1/2 way LSL-Brownwood, to north of Brownwood to south of 44, 1 mile to Brownwood.

I find the older the residents are in need of security to have shopping, and doctors within few minutes of their home. Maybe uncomfortable driving any distance to do so,

Younger residents seem shop 80% retail and grocery shopping online, 20% and up to hour drive to a grocery they want to buy food at.

Rarely need a fitness facility due to the safe walking/running trails. Younger residents seem to run out of the bubble often for entertainment, dining and retail. We zip up to Gainesville, Disney, over to one of the coastal areas once a month. If we dine out it’s o er to Orlando, Tampa, or anywhere out of the bubble

[Altavia]

The board is for new homes only, preowned does get a personal photo opp

Exactly, there's over 250 new homes sold on those boards in December, so probably over $100 million in new home sales revenue.

[Randall55]

The board is for new homes only, preowned does get a personal photo oppI drove into Dabney and Lake Denham a few weeks ago. There were hundreds of available homes and lots to chose from. After seeing the pictures of the boards filled with new buyers, I checked the Villages site. Nothing has changed since I have been there. Still hundreds of homes available, many, many lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek, and over 70 homes with a discounted price. I recommend anyone looking for a new home check the area before buying. Maybe there is a good reason the same hundreds of homes and lots are sitting with no interest from buyers.

[Decadeofdave]

I would wait for Richmond, close to Brownwood.

[MrChip72]

We lived in Hawkins for several years and were happy to leave that area.

Several years? Wasn't Hawkins built in 2019?

[MrChip72]

I love these generalized statements. Living in the deprived south of 44 sections, I'd love to hear what you think are these "so many amenities" that are lacking. Frankly, I find more down here than I did when I lived north of 466A

Seems like most of those complaining bought in not optimal places south of 44 like around Sawgrass and further East. Completely different world buying there vs Richmond/DeLuna/Marsh Bend where you're 10 mins or less by golf cart to Brownwood/Publix/restaurants and now 25 mins to Costco by car.

[Randall55]

Agree moving from LSL to west of LSL to 1/2 way LSL-Brownwood, to north of Brownwood to south of 44, 1 mile to Brownwood.

I find the older the residents are in need of security to have shopping, and doctors within few minutes of their home. Maybe uncomfortable driving any distance to do so,

Younger residents seem shop 80% retail and grocery shopping online, 20% and up to hour drive to a grocery they want to buy food at.

Rarely need a fitness facility due to the safe walking/running trails. Younger residents seem to run out of the bubble often for entertainment, dining and retail. We zip up to Gainesville, Disney, over to one of the coastal areas once a month. If we dine out it’s o er to Orlando, Tampa, or anywhere out of the bubbleWe did not mind ordering items on-line. Each time we ran out of bread, milk, aspirin or cold medicine, we had to drive 20 to 30 minutes to pick it up.

It is easy to say you do not need a fitness facility. I am 60 yrs old and injured my knee. We had to travel 40 minutes to get to fitness machines that would help my recovery. Doctors? 40 minutes away.

Restaurants? You can count the number on your fingers. Each one serves below average food. Another 40 minute travel time to add to your day.

Let's not forget the plans for a new hospital has been scratched. The choice in the south is one-star rated Leesburg Hospital, outpatient care, and a small emergency facility that was crowded each time we needed it.

[Randall55]

Several years? Wasn't Hawkins built in 2019?Isnt 2019 through 2023 several years?

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

But yet, homes are still being sold.
I’m so jealous! LOL!!

[Altavia]

I drove into Dabney and Lake Denham a few weeks ago. There were hundreds of available homes and lots to chose from. After seeing the pictures of the boards filled with new buyers, I checked the Villages site. Nothing has changed since I have been there. Still hundreds of homes available, many, many lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek, and over 70 homes with a discounted price. I recommend anyone looking for a new home check the area before buying. Maybe there is a good reason the same hundreds of homes and lots are sitting with no interest from buyers.

There is life outside the Villages. That area has gyms, shopping and restaurants 6-10 mi away in Leesburg and only 20 min from Clermont. Orlando Regional Hospital is less than an hour away.

Things have evolved and the southern inventory bubble is moving south. Looks like 70+ new home closings on the board this week, that's over $30 million in revenue the first week of 2024.

[Randall55]

There is life outside the Villages. That area has gyms, shopping and restaurants 6-10 mi away in Leesburg and only 20 min from Clermont. Orlando Regional Hospital is less than an hour away.

Things have evolved and the southern inventory bubble is moving south. Looks like 70+ new home closings on the board this week, that's over $30 million in revenue the first week of 2024.Posting the boards of new buyers is not a way to determine where one should build a home. A potential buyer should scout the areas for themselves. I noticed on ALL the boards there is quite a long list of new buyers from Florida. On every board, they are the majority. This could be investors. Not many want to live on a street full of rentals. Or, they are Villagers relocating which skews the numbers. On the recent board you posted, 40 of the 70 new buyers are from Florida. This sends off red flags. It is always best to RESEARCH INFORMATION yourself before buying.

By the way, are you a sales rep? It seems you have FAR to much interest in steering potential buyers to purchase ANYTHING. Who consistently takes pictures of Villages sales boards? And, who has permission to post pictures of buyers at their closings? It seems to me, you work for the Villages Sales team.

[Randall55]

There is life outside the Villages. That area has gyms, shopping and restaurants 6-10 mi away in Leesburg and only 20 min from Clermont. Orlando Regional Hospital is less than an hour away.

Things have evolved and the southern inventory bubble is moving south. Looks like 70+ new home closings on the board this week, that's over $30 million in revenue the first week of 2024.After several years of living in the south, required daily travel became a nuisance that we no longer wanted. Our life is much easier and relaxed now that we have returned to the northern area of the Villages. If you don't mind driving to places one hour away, I am glad you are happy. To each their own. We are fortunate to live in a community with many options.

BTW: If I wanted to drive to Orlando Regional from the northern section, it is merely a 15 minute longer drive. So, what is your point? New construction homes are 15 minutes closer to Orlando? That doesn't sound like a big incentive to buy new construction.

[Altavia]

Posting the boards of new buyers is not a way to determine where one should build a home. A potential buyer should scout the areas for themselves. I noticed on ALL the boards there is quite a long list of new buyers from Florida. On every board, they are the majority. This could be investors. Not many want to live on a street full of rentals. Or, they are Villagers relocating which skews the numbers. On the recent board you posted, 40 of the 70 new buyers are from Florida. This sends off red flags. It is always best to RESEARCH INFORMATION yourself before buying.

By the way, are you a sales rep? It seems you have FAR to much interest in steering potential buyers to purchase ANYTHING. Who consistently takes pictures of Villages sales boards? And, who has permission to post pictures of buyers at their closings? It seems to me, you work for the Villages Sales team.

Nope, just responding with data to posts sounding like someone who couldn't pass muster on the Villages Sales team coming here posting misinformation with an ax to grind.

[Altavia]

After several years of living in the south, required daily travel became a nuisance that we no longer wanted. Our life is much easier and relaxed now that we have returned to the northern area of the Villages. If you don't mind driving to places one hour away, I am glad you are happy. To each their own. We are fortunate to live in a community with many options.

BTW: If I wanted to drive to Orlando Regional from the northern section, it is merely a 15 minute longer drive. So, what is your point? New construction homes are 15 minutes closer to Orlando? That doesn't sound like a big incentive to buy new construction.

Good for you, hope you're happy.

Lookie here, business is so bad it seems another new Village about to materialize across from Eastport.

[frayedends]

It looks like in Lake County alone the Villages sold over 2000 new homes in 2023 and about 210 in December. That's not a huge sales slump as far as I know. Maybe comparatively it is? But the homes in my area of Lake Denham are being sold at a steady pace.

Plus I love how close we are to everything. ;)

Things slow down nationwide around the holidays. 2023 was also a slow year all over. Low inventory, high interest rates all over the country. So people wanting to move may not have been able to move just yet.

[Randall55]

Nope, just responding with data to posts sounding like someone who couldn't pass muster on the Villages Sales team coming here posting misinformation with an ax to grind.I have no ax to grind. Just posting my experiences. It seems odd that you have several pictures of buyers at their closings. I still believe you work for the Villages. Who has access to those types of pictures? I sure don't!

[frayedends]

I have no ax to grind. Just posting my experiences. It seems odd that you have several pictures of buyers at their closings. I still believe you work for the Villages. Who has access to those types of pictures? I sure don't!

The Villages posts those pics on Facebook. FYI, I could have posted them also.

[Randall55]

It looks like in Lake County alone the Villages sold over 2000 new homes in 2023 and about 210 in December. That's not a huge sales slump as far as I know. Maybe comparatively it is? But the homes in my area of Lake Denham are being sold at a steady pace.

Plus I love how close we are to everything. ;)

Things slow down nationwide around the holidays. 2023 was also a slow year all over. Low inventory, high interest rates all over the country. So people wanting to move may not have been able to move just yet.Great! Someone who lives in Lake Denham. In the past, new villages have sold out very quickly. Yet, homes in Lake Denham have been sitting empty for months. Is there a reason for this? I am asking because I am a contractor. I would like to buy a home to remodel then sell. I have been scouting the area for months. Same homes (and lots) sitting empty month after month. I do not understand why. Any info you can provide will help. Thanks!

[Altavia]

I have no ax to grind. Just posting my experiences. It seems odd that you have several pictures of buyers at their closings. I still believe you work for the Villages. Who has access to those types of pictures? I sure don't!

LOL - They're from Facebook, posting them to show 250-350 new homes are still being sold a month in spite of your (intentionally?) obtuse claims sales are in the toilet..

[asianthree]

We did not mind ordering items on-line. Each time we ran out of bread, milk, aspirin or cold medicine, we had to drive 20 to 30 minutes to pick it up.

It is easy to say you do not need a fitness facility. I am 60 yrs old and injured my knee. We had to travel 40 minutes to get to fitness machines that would help my recovery. Doctors? 40 minutes away.

Restaurants? You can count the number on your fingers. Each one serves below average food. Another 40 minute travel time to add to your day.

Let's not forget the plans for a new hospital has been scratched. The choice in the south is one-star rated Leesburg Hospital, outpatient care, and a small emergency facility that was crowded each time we needed it.

At 60 you are not the demographic I am speaking of. Many residents are aging in place and rarely leave there comfort zone.
We can be at a grocery in 5 minutes, yet I won’t shop there. Working 60 hours a week still drove close to an hour to grocery. Now I have 20 hours a day to literally fill all the down time, and only need to see a physician once a year.

After 40 plus years in trauma, stepping into a ED department has been the same in every state. Full of people who should have gone to urgent care, doc in a box, or just called the office in the morning. Blaming staff for the non emergent, bogging down the system, will never be fixed. All the while that stubbed toe is angry that nobody is taking care of them, because staff is in trauma rooms keeping people alive.

Goldwing also addressed the new hospital more than once. Most don’t realize just to get CON, it can take years.

[Randall55]

LOL - They're from Facebook, posting them to show 250-350 new homes are still being sold a month in spite of your (intentionally?) obtuse claims sales are in the toilet..Those pictures are the property of the Villages. You could be looking at a potential lawsuit if you post their pictures without authority to do so. Yet, you continue to do it. Which makes me believe you work for the Villages. I doubt you are oblivious to these rules and the potential harm you can inflict by posting pictures of buyers at their closings.

My claims have not gone down the toilet. The types of homes that I have interest in buying have been sitting for months in Lake Denham. Lots to build these types of homes are also sitting in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek.Your pictures of buyers closing on their style of home choice (and area) does nothing to change this fact.

[frayedends]

Great! Someone who lives in Lake Denham. In the past, new villages have sold out very quickly. Yet, homes in Lake Denham have been sitting empty for months. Is there a reason for this? I am asking because I am a contractor. I would like to buy a home to remodel then sell. I have been scouting the area for months. Same homes (and lots) sitting empty month after month. I do not understand why. Any info you can provide will help. Thanks!

You want to buy a new construction home to remodel? Okay.

As I said in a previous post, the homes in my area are selling a few per week. As you would expect, view sites are gone fast. Interior lots are sitting longer.

There are likely many reasons for a slow down. First, the market has been slow. I think I read something like slowest in 12 years.

Second we are just getting out of the holiday season, which is generally slow.

Third, it's still a slow time of year until Spring market. It may not matter as much in Florida but people up north have to sell in the best market.

4th, I suspect people are waiting for Eastport areas. I think Moultrie Creek is selling fairly quickly. Personally we went to visit, didn't care for the Eastport area as it looked too wide open without a lot of preserves. I could have been wrong but when we found a great lot with a great model we decided we liked Lake Denham.

We are 30 minute cart ride to Brownwood and 10 minutes to Sawgrass. Leesburg stuff is very close. I'm a bit baffled by the people saying we lack amenities. We have 3 decent rec centers. Franklin, Homestead, Ezel, all very close.

One downfall of Lake Denham is no neighborhood pool, which is odd. We have Dabney if we want it.

[Altavia]

Those pictures are the property of the Villages. You could be looking at a potential lawsuit if you post their pictures without authority to do so. Yet, you continue to do it. Which makes me believe you work for the Villages. I doubt you are oblivious to these rules and the potential harm you can inflict by posting pictures of buyers at their closings.



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[Marathon Man]

Those pictures are the property of the Villages. You could be looking at a potential lawsuit if you post their pictures without authority to do so. Yet, you continue to do it. Which makes me believe you work for the Villages. I doubt you are oblivious to these rules and the potential harm you can inflict by posting pictures of buyers at their closings.

My claims have not gone down the toilet. The types of homes that I have interest in buying have been sitting for months in Lake Denham. Lots to build these types of homes are also sitting in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek.Your pictures of buyers closing on their style of home choice (and area) does nothing to change this fact.

Thanks for the laugh.

So, you claim to have moved into Hawkins in 2019. Hmmmmm.

[Randall55]

You want to buy a new construction home to remodel? Okay.

As I said in a previous post, the homes in my area are selling a few per week. As you would expect, view sites are gone fast. Interior lots are sitting longer.

There are likely many reasons for a slow down. First, the market has been slow. I think I read something like slowest in 12 years.

Second we are just getting out of the holiday season, which is generally slow.

Third, it's still a slow time of year until Spring market. It may not matter as much in Florida but people up north have to sell in the best market.

4th, I suspect people are waiting for Eastport areas. I think Moultrie Creek is selling fairly quickly. Personally we went to visit, didn't care for the Eastport area as it looked too wide open without a lot of preserves. I could have been wrong but when we found a great lot with a great model we decided we liked Lake Denham.

We are 30 minute cart ride to Brownwood and 10 minutes to Sawgrass. Leesburg stuff is very close. I'm a bit baffled by the people saying we lack amenities. We have 3 decent rec centers. Franklin, Homestead, Ezel, all very close.

One downfall of Lake Denham is no neighborhood pool, which is odd. We have Dabney if we want it.Thanks! A few sales per week. This is what I have seen while searching. Like I said, I am looking for investment. I think I will continue to wait. I have remodeled and sold several times throughout the years. This is the first time homes have been sitting for months. In the past, they sold out quickly. Puzzling! Enjoy your new home!

[John Mayes]

Thanks! A few sales per week. This is what I have seen while searching. Like I said, I am looking for investment. I think I will continue to wait. I have remodeled and sold several times throughout the years. This is the first time homes have been sitting for months. In the past, they sold out quickly. Puzzling! Enjoy your new home!

So, you remodel new homes?

[Randall55]

So, you remodel new homes?Yes. A few nips and tucks just like many other buyers. It is not unusual. There are quite a few who buy homes for investment purposes. Some go the rental route others make a few improvements then sell for profit. As you can see on pictures of the sales board on this thread, many buyers are from Florida.

[frayedends]

Thanks! A few sales per week. This is what I have seen while searching. Like I said, I am looking for investment. I think I will continue to wait. I have remodeled and sold several times throughout the years. This is the first time homes have been sitting for months. In the past, they sold out quickly. Puzzling! Enjoy your new home!

A few homes per week in my neighborhood. Lake Denham has 4 sections I’d consider as somewhat separate neighborhoods. That’s a lot of home sales in just one Village.

I don’t really know what the debate is about anyhow. If you are just an investor flipping new construction (I find that strange) and think it’s a bad time to buy then by all means, wait.

I just don’t get people trashing us for buying down south. We looked at everything and found what we want. We will be maybe 20-25 minutes to Eastport by cart if we have to go to Bexley. But I’ve a hunch something may open south of there too.

[Randall55]

A few homes per week in my neighborhood. Lake Denham has 4 sections I’d consider as somewhat separate neighborhoods. That’s a lot of home sales in just one Village.

I don’t really know what the debate is about anyhow. If you are just an investor flipping new construction (I find that strange) and think it’s a bad time to buy then by all means, wait.

I just don’t get people trashing us for buying down south. We looked at everything and found what we want. We will be maybe 20-25 minutes to Eastport by cart if we have to go to Bexley. But I’ve a hunch something may open south of there too.Sorry, if you think I was trashing. Just posting my experiences. We left the northern section and moved to the southern section. That move did not meet our expectations. The areas are different and we prefer the north. Nothing wrong with admitting our preference. And certainly, nothing to get upset about. People have different needs. I am no different.

Yes, I understand each village has sections. I prefer a few styles of homes I made good profit in the past. Unfortunately, those are the ones that seem to be sitting this go-around. Thanks again for your input!

Nothing strange about buying with intent to flip. Many buyers prefer everything done when purchasing.

[asianthree]

Thanks for the laugh.

So, you claim to have moved into Hawkins in 2019. Hmmmmm.

We were picked for the first to cross Brownwood Bridge 12/23/2020. Our route went past Hawkins, eventually crossing Chitty Chatty bridge and back to Brownwood so cameras could be removed from golf carts.
Hawkins was a construction zone as was all the villages off Meggison in 12/23/2020. Remember it well, it was 26 degrees. The front windshield had to be kept down for filming. As we drove the route of construction it was so desolate with nobody living there.

[Randall55]

We were picked for the first to cross Brownwood Bridge 12/23/2020. Our route went past Hawkins, eventually crossing Chitty Chatty bridge and back to Brownwood so cameras could be removed from golf carts.
Hawkins was a construction zone as was all the villages off Meggison in 12/23/2020. Remember it well, it was 26 degrees. The front windshield had to be kept down for filming. As we drove the route of construction it was so desolate with nobody living there.If you are doubting the amount of years I lived in the southern area, you would be mistaken. Hawkins was my last home before returning to the North. You have bought several homes in the Villages throughout the years. It is not odd that I have done the same. Geez! Where did you live while building a new home in the Villages? I guess you believe I lived on Mars.

[Michael 61]

I would wait for Richmond, close to Brownwood.

Gotta love Richmond - great location - will be interesting to see if history repeats itself when the final area goes up for sale later this year.

[Dusty_Star]

Goldwing also addressed the new hospital more than once. Most don’t realize just to get CON, it can take years.

I haven't seen the video or the post to which you refer, could you give a very short answer: will the new hospital be built? Or has it been totally scrubbed.

Thank you.

[Altavia]

I haven't seen the video or the post to which you refer, could you give a very short answer: will the new hospital be built? Or has it been totally scrubbed.

Thank you.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2282267-post61.html

[badkarma318]

I am a bit skeptical that the developer will open yet another village for sales. A few weeks ago, when my daughter and I looked at new homes, there were 400+ available homes in Lake Denham and Dabney, 60% of the lots were still available in the Enclave, and over 100+ lots in Moultrie Creek. The sales rep told us there were plans to finish out Richmond, and a few cyv are planned in Hacienda. QUITE A LARGE inventory to unload before opening up another area. The Developer needs to get his sales team to work. They are lagging behind.

Show us on the doll where the sales team hurt you.

You have made multiple posts in this thread where parts of the posts were negative towards the sales team, as well as in the recently revived "New home sales slump" thread.

What's really going on? If you have an axe to grind regarding some past grievance, lay it all out here. Perhaps it will help someone else.

[Michael 61]

A few homes per week in my neighborhood. Lake Denham has 4 sections I’d consider as somewhat separate neighborhoods. That’s a lot of home sales in just one Village.

I don’t really know what the debate is about anyhow. If you are just an investor flipping new construction (I find that strange) and think it’s a bad time to buy then by all means, wait.

I just don’t get people trashing us for buying down south. We looked at everything and found what we want. We will be maybe 20-25 minutes to Eastport by cart if we have to go to Bexley. But I’ve a hunch something may open south of there too.

Don’t listen to those who get some sort of satisfaction about trashing and trolling other people’s decision as to where they purchased. You bought in an absolutely beautiful area. I have a good friend who just closed in Dabney last week, and I have been down there on a weekly basis for months watching and monitoring the home as it was being built. I love the beautiful walking trails in Denham and Dabney. You are in a good location once Eastport opens up, which is not that far off. There is a lot of retail, recreation and dining planned for that area. Also, it’s so easy for you to jump on the turnpike and be in Clermont (Costco and great restaurants), Winter Garden and the entire NW Orlando Metro area in just minutes. Enjoy your new home and all that Lake Denham has to offer!

[margaretmattson]

Show us on the doll where the sales team hurt you.

You have made multiple posts in this thread where parts of the posts were negative towards the sales team, as well as in the recently revived "New home sales slump" thread.

What's really going on? If you have an axe to grind regarding some past grievance, lay it all out here. Perhaps it will help someone else.I was in sales all my life. When I see a large inventory, I immediately think the sales team needs to do a better job. If a parking lot is full of available new cars, the sales team needs to get them sold. New appliances sitting? Sales team needs to get on it. You cant just sit and allow the inventory to get larger.

It is just my opinion. You can agree or disagree. I have never been one to sit back and say, don't worry! It will be fine. I always tried my best. I guess SALES is still running hot in this retired woman's blood.

[frayedends]

Don’t listen to those who get some sort of satisfaction about trashing and trolling other people’s decision as to where they purchased. You bought in an absolutely beautiful area. I have a good friend who just closed in Dabney last week, and I have been down there on a weekly basis for months watching and monitoring the home as it was being built. I love the beautiful walking trails in Denham and Dabney. You are in a good location once Eastport opens up, which is not that far off. There is a lot of retail, recreation and dining planned for that area. Also, it’s so easy for you to jump on the turnpike and be in Clermont (Costco and great restaurants), Winter Garden and the entire NW Orlando Metro area in just minutes. Enjoy your new home and all that Lake Denham has to offer!

Oh yeah there is tons of stuff. The walking trails was a great selling point. They are absolutely beautiful.

[jeffc1965]

My apologies to some of you (Randall55 and others). I did not intend to start a flame throwing contest. I just asked a question of long-time residents about how the developer handles a slowing market. Nobody can deny that the market has slowed. I have watched this market every day since February 2022, most days logging onto the VLS site multiple times per day. When I first started looking for our desired type of home (3/4 beds and 3 baths), there were maybe 15-20 on the market total (new and existing). By the summer of 2022 and into the fall, there would be 40-50. During most of 2023, there was 75-85, but now there are 100 or more. When we first started looking, we also were scouting lots. We were looking in Richmond and Deluna. We thought we wanted more privacy, so I combed the Lake County parcels website to find the nicer lots with views in Newel, Lake Denham, and Dabney months before the developer released the lots. Like was noted, the view lots were flying off of the market in Richmond, Deluna, and Newell within a day but by the time Lake Denham and Dabney opened, very few lots were very competitive. I know because we reserved a nice large view lot in Lake Denham on the release date and the developer never sent the wiring instructions until the following week, unheard of beforehand. We ultimately let the lot go and it lingered for another few days. As others have noted, there are many remaining designer/premiere home lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek. Maybe the villas are still selling at the same pace, I haven't followed that part of the market, so a few pictures may/may not be representative of the entire market. I don't disagree with people's thoughts on why the market is slowing, I just asked how the developer might adjust the pace of development or whether there is a noticeable reduction in maintenance of the
common areas/facilities when profits aren't flowing. With the developer significantly restricting options/modifications to the designer homes, I can definitely understand a market for renovations to new homes.

Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone.

[asianthree]

My apologies to some of you (Randall55 and others). I did not intend to start a flame throwing contest. I just asked a question of long-time residents about how the developer handles a slowing market. Nobody can deny that the market has slowed. I have watched this market every day since February 2022, most days logging onto the VLS site multiple times per day. When I first started looking for our desired type of home (3/4 beds and 3 baths), there were maybe 15-20 on the market total (new and existing). By the summer of 2022 and into the fall, there would be 40-50. During most of 2023, there was 75-85, but now there are 100 or more. When we first started looking, we also were scouting lots. We were looking in Richmond and Deluna. We thought we wanted more privacy, so I combed the Lake County parcels website to find the nicer lots with views in Newel, Lake Denham, and Dabney months before the developer released the lots. Like was noted, the view lots were flying off of the market in Richmond, Deluna, and Newell within a day but by the time Lake Denham and Dabney opened, very few lots were very competitive. I know because we reserved a nice large view lot in Lake Denham on the release date and the developer never sent the wiring instructions until the following week, unheard of beforehand. We ultimately let the lot go and it lingered for another few days. As others have noted, there are many remaining designer/premiere home lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek. Maybe the villas are still selling at the same pace, I haven't followed that part of the market, so a few pictures may/may not be representative of the entire market. I don't disagree with people's thoughts on why the market is slowing, I just asked how the developer might adjust the pace of development or whether there is a noticeable reduction in maintenance of the
common areas/facilities when profits aren't flowing. With the developer significantly restricting options/modifications to the designer homes, I can definitely understand a market for renovations to new homes.

Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone.

Since you weren’t the OP, and entered into the thread asking a question, answers will be all over the map. You will find strong North/ South discussions. Best is nobody has the same idea of what or where one should live..
Except for you. Those who give opinions on somewhere they have never lived is just that an opinion without actual experience.

Many question the amount of those buying from Florida, in reality, people move here then will move again, or move multiple times. Our first house we were out of state name on the list. The next 3 we were from Florida.

The developer had record breaking sales in “07” then in “08” sales slowed. It’s not uncommon, and let’s face it, the developer and their heirs, have been at this since the 70’s.

Property is bought years in advance, as are the plans for villages we won’t know will exist for many years. So come down visit, and see what is the best fit. There are many retirement communities, but take grumbling with a grain of salt. After all they still live here. Rarely will you find someone who absolutely hates living in TV. Usually reason for those who move away from TV is family, or death of a spouse

[margaretmattson]

My apologies to some of you (Randall55 and others). I did not intend to start a flame throwing contest. I just asked a question of long-time residents about how the developer handles a slowing market. Nobody can deny that the market has slowed. I have watched this market every day since February 2022, most days logging onto the VLS site multiple times per day. When I first started looking for our desired type of home (3/4 beds and 3 baths), there were maybe 15-20 on the market total (new and existing). By the summer of 2022 and into the fall, there would be 40-50. During most of 2023, there was 75-85, but now there are 100 or more. When we first started looking, we also were scouting lots. We were looking in Richmond and Deluna. We thought we wanted more privacy, so I combed the Lake County parcels website to find the nicer lots with views in Newel, Lake Denham, and Dabney months before the developer released the lots. Like was noted, the view lots were flying off of the market in Richmond, Deluna, and Newell within a day but by the time Lake Denham and Dabney opened, very few lots were very competitive. I know because we reserved a nice large view lot in Lake Denham on the release date and the developer never sent the wiring instructions until the following week, unheard of beforehand. We ultimately let the lot go and it lingered for another few days. As others have noted, there are many remaining designer/premiere home lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek. Maybe the villas are still selling at the same pace, I haven't followed that part of the market, so a few pictures may/may not be representative of the entire market. I don't disagree with people's thoughts on why the market is slowing, I just asked how the developer might adjust the pace of development or whether there is a noticeable reduction in maintenance of the
common areas/facilities when profits aren't flowing. With the developer significantly restricting options/modifications to the designer homes, I can definitely understand a market for renovations to new homes.

Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone.I did not see it as a flame throwing contest. As you noted, designer homes and lots are moving slower than usual.

Other posters are stating what they have seen. Information will be conflicting because there are several types of homes: patio villa, ranch, veranda, villa, designer, and premiere. Always best to do YOUR OWN RESEARCH on the type of home you are looking for.

The only incentive I have seen from the developer is a discount on 70+ homes.

[VApeople]

I just asked a question of long-time residents about how the developer handles a slowing market.

We came here in May 2016.

Almost all of the spec homes advertised in the Daily Sun had about a 5% discount and they offered a 3% discount on new custom-built homes.

We intended to buy a spec house but we could not find one we liked, so we had a new house built on the lot of our choice.

[Randall55]

My apologies to some of you (Randall55 and others). I did not intend to start a flame throwing contest. I just asked a question of long-time residents about how the developer handles a slowing market. Nobody can deny that the market has slowed. I have watched this market every day since February 2022, most days logging onto the VLS site multiple times per day. When I first started looking for our desired type of home (3/4 beds and 3 baths), there were maybe 15-20 on the market total (new and existing). By the summer of 2022 and into the fall, there would be 40-50. During most of 2023, there was 75-85, but now there are 100 or more. When we first started looking, we also were scouting lots. We were looking in Richmond and Deluna. We thought we wanted more privacy, so I combed the Lake County parcels website to find the nicer lots with views in Newel, Lake Denham, and Dabney months before the developer released the lots. Like was noted, the view lots were flying off of the market in Richmond, Deluna, and Newell within a day but by the time Lake Denham and Dabney opened, very few lots were very competitive. I know because we reserved a nice large view lot in Lake Denham on the release date and the developer never sent the wiring instructions until the following week, unheard of beforehand. We ultimately let the lot go and it lingered for another few days. As others have noted, there are many remaining designer/premiere home lots in the Enclave and Moultrie Creek. Maybe the villas are still selling at the same pace, I haven't followed that part of the market, so a few pictures may/may not be representative of the entire market. I don't disagree with people's thoughts on why the market is slowing, I just asked how the developer might adjust the pace of development or whether there is a noticeable reduction in maintenance of the
common areas/facilities when profits aren't flowing. With the developer significantly restricting options/modifications to the designer homes, I can definitely understand a market for renovations to new homes.

Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone. No need to apologize. People on this forum have different experiences and opinions. I buy homes with an intent to flip in a year or two. I remodel them slightly and am not attached to any of them. Others buy their forever homes and love the area they chose. There will always be conflict.

The developer does not provide much in incentives. Seventy or so home prices have been reduced. I do not believe there will be any other types of reductions.

They are finishing a new model home area near the high school.There are several new styles. Some have already been built in Middleton. Nice! Check them out before you decide.

[jeffc1965]

I am trying to find information on homesites that may be planned for Wellpoint, Edenfield, and Oak Hollow. William Vayens' map is very useful, but I am trying to find lots that could accommodate our preferred home model with pool. Can I assume that homesite plats have been submitted to Sumter County for at least the village of Wellpoint? The plats in Lake County are easily accessible. Is there a similar means of finding plats in Sumter County? I watch the Sumter County Property Appraiser map, but I am not sure how much lag time there might be between the submission of site development plans and when the appraiser map is updated. I would be appreciative if someone could point me in the right direction.

[Altavia]

Sumter County... (https://qpublic.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=1207&LayerID=36374&PageTypeID=1&PageID=14048)

Early view of streets, zoom in.

Rent From A Villager Maps (https://www.rentfromavillager.com/map)

[JoMar]

We did not mind ordering items on-line. Each time we ran out of bread, milk, aspirin or cold medicine, we had to drive 20 to 30 minutes to pick it up.

It is easy to say you do not need a fitness facility. I am 60 yrs old and injured my knee. We had to travel 40 minutes to get to fitness machines that would help my recovery. Doctors? 40 minutes away.

Restaurants? You can count the number on your fingers. Each one serves below average food. Another 40 minute travel time to add to your day.

Let's not forget the plans for a new hospital has been scratched. The choice in the south is one-star rated Leesburg Hospital, outpatient care, and a small emergency facility that was crowded each time we needed it.

So you live here because?

[kansasr]

I am trying to find information on homesites that may be planned for Wellpoint, Edenfield, and Oak Hollow. William Vayens' map is very useful, but I am trying to find lots that could accommodate our preferred home model with pool. Can I assume that homesite plats have been submitted to Sumter County for at least the village of Wellpoint? The plats in Lake County are easily accessible. Is there a similar means of finding plats in Sumter County? I watch the Sumter County Property Appraiser map, but I am not sure how much lag time there might be between the submission of site development plans and when the appraiser map is updated. I would be appreciative if someone could point me in the right direction.

So far, no plats have been posted on the Sumter County Property Appraiser's website for the Wellpoint area.... we are starting to see them pop up for Moultrie Creek and Shady Brooke.

[vintageogauge]

I am a bit skeptical that the developer will open yet another village for sales. A few weeks ago, when my daughter and I looked at new homes, there were 400+ available homes in Lake Denham and Dabney, 60% of the lots were still available in the Enclave, and over 100+ lots in Moultrie Creek. The sales rep told us there were plans to finish out Richmond, and a few cyv are planned in Hacienda. QUITE A LARGE inventory to unload before opening up another area. The Developer needs to get his sales team to work. They are lagging behind.

I doubt that the developer is as worried as you seem to be, they know what they're doing and they're doing it well. If they can afford to buy a 3400 former ranch and develop millions of square feet of industrial space they aren't going to worry about how many homes or lots they have available. To them it's all on paper and they know that it will soon turn into cash.

[margaretmattson]

I doubt that the developer is as worried as you seem to be, they know what they're doing and they're doing it well. If they can afford to buy a 3400 former ranch and develop millions of square feet of industrial space they aren't going to worry about how many homes or lots they have available. To them it's all on paper and they know that it will soon turn into cash.Funny how some people care more about the developer than themselves. A large inventory of homes that have reduced prices hurts the HOMEOWNERS. In this market, one should be careful. I lose no sleep over what the DEVELOPER OWNS. I take notice of what is being done and how it will affect my pocketbook. Always a good idea to remain informed.

[jlouther]

The Feb 12th Wildwood City Commission meeting lists units 231 and 233. The meeting files associated with these units show lot dimensions. These are not located in WellPoint. I have not seen any WellPoint lots submitted to Wildwood yet.

https://wildwoodfl.portal.civicclerk.com/event/2185/overview

[Marathon Man]

Funny how some people care more about the developer than themselves. A large inventory of homes that have reduced prices hurts the HOMEOWNERS. In this market, one should be careful. I lose no sleep over what the DEVELOPER OWNS. I take notice of what is being done and how it will affect my pocketbook. Always a good idea to remain informed.

When you can't make a logical argument, make an insult. See it all the time.

[margaretmattson]

When you can't make a logical argument, make an insult. See it all the time.I was not insulting anyone. My logic is: worry about how price reductions affect YOUR OWN POCKETBOOK. The Developer can and will continue to make money. His money has nothing to do with YOUR financial well being. To me, talking about the Developer's wealth is illogical. It is not likely he is going to share it and he certainly is not going to pay your bills. Fact: home prices are dropping. Talking about the Developer's cash flow isn't going to change that.

1 Looking to buy a home? Now may be a good time. Some new construction homes have been reduced by $30,000-$50,000.

2.Need to sell your home? This may not be a good time. Homes are sitting on the market longer. MLS shows price reductions on homes every day.

See? The Developer and his money has NOTHING to do with your pocketbook.