When will global warming return?

[sounding]

Who knows, but the sooner the better. This and more to be discussed Monday, Jan 15 at 1 PM at the Everglades Center - for the Science & Technology Club - South ... for a talk called Climate Change Calamity.

[golfing eagles]

Who knows, but the sooner the better. This and more to be discussed Monday, Jan 15 at 1 PM at the Everglades Center - for the Science & Technology Club - South ... for a talk called Climate Change Calamity.

I sense Pandora's box creaking open---you know who will jump on this thread with his imminent global warming catastrophe mythological rant. I'll bet within 1/2 hour.

[ThirdOfFive]

Who knows, but the sooner the better. This and more to be discussed Monday, Jan 15 at 1 PM at the Everglades Center - for the Science & Technology Club - South ... for a talk called Climate Change Calamity.
When will it return? Dunno. But I plan on doing my part: I'll be burning a couple of gallons of used motor oil in the back yard on towards evening.

And an old tire.

[Stu from NYC]

I sense Pandora's box creaking open---you know who will jump on this thread with his imminent global warming catastrophe mythological rant. I'll bet within 1/2 hour.

The guy I am thinking of has not been around for awhile as far as I can tell

[fdpaq0580]

When will it return? Dunno. But I plan on doing my part: I'll be burning a couple of gallons of used motor oil in the back yard on towards evening.

And an old tire.

So glad to see that you have a plan. 😉

[golfing eagles]

So glad to see that you have a plan. 😉

He's baaaaccccckkkkkkk!

[fdpaq0580]

He's baaaaccccckkkkkkk!

Little old me? You were thinking of ME? I'm flattered! I thought you were waiting for "Jimjam".
Well, let's have some fun.

[golfing eagles]

Little old me? You were thinking of ME? I'm flattered! I thought you were waiting for "Jimjam".
Well, let's have some fun.

Him too, but you'll do :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dusty_Star]

When will global warming return?.

When enough people stop believing the climate change catastrophe & the scam artists are in need of a new money spinner. That is when global warming will return. To be followed by the nightmarish global freeze so popular in the 1970s. Here is a good one: 1928 Glaciers Retreating (probably before most of us were born). What happened? Summer.

I took this article to heart. This past week it snowed at my northern house. I measured. But much to my despair, the snow melted & I tell you, the height of my yard has now shrunk by 4 inches!
I may have psychasthenia, oh, the anxiety :cry:

[Taltarzac725]

Kansas City Chiefs - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)

Those Chiefs are going to be very cold tomorrow but maybe the Dolphins more so.

I was in minus 40 to 50 windchill around October-November of 1991 in the Twin Cities and still felt cold even though I was wearing a lot of my wardrobe. I Iooked like the Michelin Man.

But back to the subject. Cold will be here quite a bit especially in winter but the big worries are the temperatures of the seas and the movement of the sea life. Maine's lobster industry is thriving thanks to climate change — but it won't last if the waters continue to warm - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maine-lobster-climate-change/)

No matter how much poop is thrown at the wall as far as statistics are concerned the reality is there.

[fdpaq0580]

Kansas City Chiefs - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)

Those Chiefs are going to be very cold tomorrow but maybe the Dolphins more so.

I was in minus 40 to 50 windchill around October-November of 1991 in the Twin Cities and still felt cold even though I was wearing a lot of my wardrobe. I Iooked like the Michelin Man.

But back to the subject. Cold will be here quite a bit especially in winter but the big worries are the temperatures of the seas and the movement of the sea life. Maine's lobster industry is thriving thanks to climate change — but it won't last if the waters continue to warm - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maine-lobster-climate-change/)

No matter how much poop is thrown at the wall as far as statistics are concerned the reality is there.

True! Temporary hot and cold periods may occur, but earth's annual average temperatures continue to rise. And, regardless of comments to the contrary, the condition is being helped along by the various activities of 8+ billion human beings.
But, like a certain individual in the news lately likes to tell us, "not a lot of people know that."

[fdpaq0580]

Small addendum for your consideration.
If the world's population was spread evenly over the total landmass, irregardless of whether the area was considered habitable or uninhabitable, (mountainous, desert, etc,) each person would have to survive on a hair more than 4.5 acres. And, due to rising populations, your tiny bit is getting smaller every second.
Food for thought.

[Topspinmo]

Never, it called climate change now and you can’t argue that cause climate ALWAYS changing. Yesterday, last month, last year, last million years, last big bang.

[Topspinmo]

Small addendum for your consideration.
If the world's population was spread evenly over the total landmass, irregardless of whether the area was considered habitable or uninhabitable, (mountainous, desert, etc,) each person would have to survive on a hair more than 4.5 acres. And, due to rising populations, your tiny bit is getting smaller every second.
Food for thought.

So over population causing climate change? I agree.

[Topspinmo]

True! Temporary hot and cold periods may occur, but earth's annual average temperatures continue to rise. And, regardless of comments to the contrary, the condition is being helped along by the various activities of 8+ billion human beings.
But, like a certain individual in the news lately likes to tell us, "not a lot of people know that."


Or may not for awhile?

[Topspinmo]

Kansas City Chiefs - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)

Those Chiefs are going to be very cold tomorrow but maybe the Dolphins more so.

I was in minus 40 to 50 windchill around October-November of 1991 in the Twin Cities and still felt cold even though I was wearing a lot of my wardrobe. I Iooked like the Michelin Man.

But back to the subject. Cold will be here quite a bit especially in winter but the big worries are the temperatures of the seas and the movement of the sea life. Maine's lobster industry is thriving thanks to climate change — but it won't last if the waters continue to warm - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maine-lobster-climate-change/)

No matter how much poop is thrown at the wall as far as statistics are concerned the reality is there.

Maine lobster thriving due to fishing regulations.

[frayedends]

Maine lobster thriving due to fishing regulations.

And yeah it’s not like Maine has always been famous for lobster or anything. It’s climate change. He’ll back in 1980 they probably only had those spiny Caribbean lobsters.

[fdpaq0580]

And yeah it’s not like Maine has always been famous for lobster or anything. It’s climate change. He’ll back in 1980 they probably only had those spiny Caribbean lobsters.

If and when the water warms enough, maybe the spiny lobster will migrate to Maine and the Maine lobster will migrate to Newfoundland and Labrador? Who knows? Not me. I'm already well past my "best if sold by" date, and a bit beyond my expiration date.

[Byte1]

Hmm, I wonder which warms the oceans more, underwater volcano eruptions or mankind? About 20 years ago, I happened upon a military website that had sonar and ice thickness readings at the poles. Interesting that according to the military, the ice at the poles was melting from underneath the ice due to the warming ocean water.
As for limiting child birth because "some" folks believe we are too crowded, I don't subscribe to the idea. I believe that family size should be left up to the individuals, not the government. I am sure that mankind will kill itself out way before climate change has a chance to evolve into an emergency situation.

[golfing eagles]

Hmm, I wonder which warms the oceans more, underwater volcano eruptions or mankind? About 20 years ago, I happened upon a military website that had sonar and ice thickness readings at the poles. Interesting that according to the military, the ice at the poles was melting from underneath the ice due to the warming ocean water.
As for limiting child birth because "some" folks believe we are too crowded, I don't subscribe to the idea. I believe that family size should be left up to the individuals, not the government. I am sure that mankind will kill itself out way before climate change has a chance to evolve into an emergency situation.

And I agree....up to the point that those individuals turn to the government (meaning us taxpayers) to support the "family size" that they have chosen.

[frayedends]

Hmm, I wonder which warms the oceans more, underwater volcano eruptions or mankind? About 20 years ago, I happened upon a military website that had sonar and ice thickness readings at the poles. Interesting that according to the military, the ice at the poles was melting from underneath the ice due to the warming ocean water.
As for limiting child birth because "some" folks believe we are too crowded, I don't subscribe to the idea. I believe that family size should be left up to the individuals, not the government. I am sure that mankind will kill itself out way before climate change has a chance to evolve into an emergency situation.


Even if climate change was caused by human activity (I don't believe it is), the entire effect can be undone by one small natural calamity. We could be in an ice age in 10 years or burn up from a comet.

As far as human population, it is sure to be a problem of underpopulation. I'm seeing young men more and more disaffected by the over the top woke feminism. In addition to that, with AI and robotics becoming more and more advanced, men will be able to satisfy their every whim with a $5000 robot in the not too distant future.

[Byte1]

And I agree....up to the point that those individuals turn to the government (meaning us taxpayers) to support the "family size" that they have chosen.

Can of worms. I agree with your statement. However, if we are going to be forced to pay for millions of illegal aliens invading our country every year, to include sacrificing our children's education to make room for the illegals, then surely what we spend on welfare for legitimate citizens is acceptable. At least, until someone puts a stop to the open border welcome mat.

[ThirdOfFive]

True! Temporary hot and cold periods may occur, but earth's annual average temperatures continue to rise. And, regardless of comments to the contrary, the condition is being helped along by the various activities of 8+ billion human beings.
But, like a certain individual in the news lately likes to tell us, "not a lot of people know that."
I'm wondering...where do they stick the thermometer? And how often?

And how do they differentiate a temp. being taken as merely part of "weather" or due to "climate change"?

[frayedends]

I'm wondering...where do they stick the thermometer? And how often?

And how do they differentiate a temp. being taken as merely part of "weather" or due to "climate change"?

They stick the thermometer in a nice grass field. Then that grass field is paved with blacktop and they keep the thermometer there and say temps rose.

Anyhow, exactly zero of the climate catastrophes I've been warned about for the last 50 years has come true. Still waiting on the ice age I was promised from the 70s. Somehow they have all been stopped, presumably because they keep taking more and more of our money.

[blueash]

They stick the thermometer in a nice grass field. Then that grass field is paved with blacktop and they keep the thermometer there and say temps rose.

Anyhow, exactly zero of the climate catastrophes I've been warned about for the last 50 years has come true. Still waiting on the ice age I was promised from the 70s. Somehow they have all been stopped, presumably because they keep taking more and more of our money.

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.

[frayedends]

^^^^^^
Lighten up, Francis!

[fdpaq0580]

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.

Well said!

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=ThirdOfFive;2290642]Iwhere do they stick the thermometer? And how often?


That's funny.
There are many of various kinds, and they monitor the globe. Even from space. And the data influx is constantly being monitored and recorded.

[Keefelane66]

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.
Your temperature graphs don't seem to cherry-pick as others that have been presented.

[frayedends]

None of this matters. Even if global warming is real and human caused there is currently not a viable replacement for fossil fuels. Every policy the government proposes is designed to drain our pockets and not really help the environment. That is the reason so many of us are skeptical and dismissive of the climate fear mongering. Regardless of improvement in data gathering, the end game is the same. Tax us to death and spread our wealth to politicians.

So you can all save your time with posting charts and graphs. None of us want a climate catastrophe and we all want a clean environment. But unless your suggestions actually help reduce pollution your debates will continue to fall on deaf ears.

[frayedends]

Your temperature graphs don't seem to cherry-pick as others that have been presented.

On one hand he argues we had no good data prior to 1980. On the other he presents graphs with data back to the 1800s to prove his point.

[sounding]

On one hand he argues we had no good data prior to 1980. On the other he presents graphs with data back to the 1800s to prove his point.

Ted has plans to fix everyone's climate clock. Relax, it'll all be over soon.

[fdpaq0580]

None of this matters. Even if global warming is real and human caused there is currently not a viable replacement for fossil fuels. Every policy the government proposes is designed to drain our pockets and not really help the environment. That is the reason so many of us are skeptical and dismissive of the climate fear mongering. Regardless of improvement in data gathering, the end game is the same. Tax us to death and spread our wealth to politicians.

So you can all save your time with posting charts and graphs. None of us want a climate catastrophe and we all want a clean environment. But unless your suggestions actually help reduce pollution your debates will continue to fall on deaf ears.

It matters immensely. If you care about the survival of our species.
There are suggestions. But suggestions only have value if they can be implemented. To be implemented we need to get the understanding of what is at stake to 8 billion people in over 200 countries around the world. Each with their own political situation and religious beliefs. Those who don't like the message, for what ever reason, search for alternatives that give them some comfort, like a person facing cancer with surgery, chemo and radiation treatments decides to go to a carnival faith healer. The truth falls on "deaf ears", willfully deaf ears. And time is wasted as the clock for the world and the cancer patient continues to run.

[frayedends]

It matters immensely. If you care about the survival of our species.
There are suggestions. But suggestions only have value if they can be implemented. To be implemented we need to get the understanding of what is at stake to 8 billion people in over 200 countries around the world. Each with their own political situation and religious beliefs. Those who don't like the message, for what ever reason, search for alternatives that give them some comfort, like a person facing cancer with surgery, chemo and radiation treatments decides to go to a carnival faith healer. The truth falls on "deaf ears", willfully deaf ears. And time is wasted as the clock for the world and the cancer patient continues to run.

Can you give me an example of a suggestion that you like? One that doesn't involve stealing money from people.

[fdpaq0580]

Ted has plans to fix everyone's climate clock. Relax, it'll all be over soon.

IF you are privy to old Ted's plans, please enlighten. Or is your "Relax, it'll all be over soon" supposed to sound ominous? Sounds like something a dentist in a third world country would say to a patient that couldn't afford the novacain for a root canal.

[fdpaq0580]

Can you give me an example of a suggestion that you like? One that doesn't involve stealing money from people.

Trick question. Do anything, or do nothing, there is going to be a cost. You can label any outlay you don't like as theft, whether justified or not.

[sounding]

IF you are privy to old Ted's plans, please enlighten. Or is your "Relax, it'll all be over soon" supposed to sound ominous? Sounds like something a dentist in a third world country would say to a patient that couldn't afford the novacain for a root canal.

Yes relax -- it's all a hoax anyway. There is no observational proof of "man-made" global warming, but there is proof of decreasing severe weather and increasing greening of earth.

[sounding]

Trick question. Do anything, or do nothing, there is going to be a cost. You can label any outlay you don't like as theft, whether justified or not.

The cost will be for extra winter clothes.

[fdpaq0580]

Can you give me an example of a suggestion that you like? One that doesn't involve stealing money from people.

On second thought, how about a few money saving tips. Like drive less, travel only when necessary, and ride share when you can. Adjust your thermostat to be more efficient. As I look around I see a lot of us (me included) eat more than we need. Save money by better meal planning. Turn lights off when not needed.
The list goes on and on. Google can help. Choosing lifestyle changes can make big differences. Life choices can save big money and have an impact on global warming, like choosing to have smaller families. Smaller carbon footprint and more money for each person's needs.
Your turn to see what you can come up with to help, even in small ways.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes relax -- it's all a hoax anyway. There is no observational proof of "man-made" global warming, but there is proof of decreasing severe weather and increasing greening of earth.

I sometimes get the feeling that you know man-enhanced global warming is real, but you just enjoy arguing. Like the old Monty Python routine. A, "Hello. I'd like to have an argument, please." B, "Yes sir. Will this be the full half hour, or just the five minutes? "

[sounding]

I sometimes get the feeling that you know man-enhanced global warming is real, but you just enjoy arguing. Like the old Monty Python routine. A, "Hello. I'd like to have an argument, please." B, "Yes sir. Will this be the full half hour, or just the five minutes? "

If it's real, then tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year.

[kkingston57]

I'm wondering...where do they stick the thermometer? And how often?

And how do they differentiate a temp. being taken as merely part of "weather" or due to "climate change"?

In 2004 we took an Alaskan cruise and went to the Mendenhall glacier. Went back 2 years ago and it clearly was a lot smaller. Went into Visitor Center and saw pictures which were taken in 2004 and showed the same size that we saw. Not going to discuss cause but this and other objective information is showing that we live in a warmer climate. Will never affect current generation, but will affect generations in the future.

[Taltarzac725]

Global warming never left. It is here to stay.

It could disappear the next ice age which may be 50,000 years from now.

Third time unlucky: would we survive another ice age? (https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/how-to-survive-an-ice-age).

[frayedends]

On second thought, how about a few money saving tips. Like drive less, travel only when necessary, and ride share when you can. Adjust your thermostat to be more efficient. As I look around I see a lot of us (me included) eat more than we need. Save money by better meal planning. Turn lights off when not needed.
The list goes on and on. Google can help. Choosing lifestyle changes can make big differences. Life choices can save big money and have an impact on global warming, like choosing to have smaller families. Smaller carbon footprint and more money for each person's needs.
Your turn to see what you can come up with to help, even in small ways.

Well these are all choices that any person conscious of their spending will make, regardless of global warming and CO2. You know the people that don't make these choices? The elites that push climate agendas while flying in private jets to climate summits. That's who.

[Taltarzac725]

Well these are all choices that any person conscious of their spending will make, regardless of global warming and CO2. You know the people that don't make these choices? The elites that push climate agendas while flying in private jets to climate summits. That's who.

17 Famous Climate Change Celebrities Fighting Global Warming - TheRoundup (https://theroundup.org/climate-change-celebrities/)

That sounds like Fox Speak.

[frayedends]

17 Famous Climate Change Celebrities Fighting Global Warming - TheRoundup (https://theroundup.org/climate-change-celebrities/)

That sounds like Fox Speak.

I don't need Fox to tell me that DiCaprio has mansions and flies private jets. You think Fox is lying on that? By the way, I don't watch or listen to Fox at all. There's a ton of examples. Politicians, celebrities of all sorts.

[Topspinmo]

Your temperature graphs don't seem to cherry-pick as others that have been presented.


It don’t? Only goes back to 1860.

[Topspinmo]

On second thought, how about a few money saving tips. Like drive less, travel only when necessary, and ride share when you can. Adjust your thermostat to be more efficient. As I look around I see a lot of us (me included) eat more than we need. Save money by better meal planning. Turn lights off when not needed.
The list goes on and on. Google can help. Choosing lifestyle changes can make big differences. Life choices can save big money and have an impact on global warming, like choosing to have smaller families. Smaller carbon footprint and more money for each person's needs.
Your turn to see what you can come up with to help, even in small ways.


But, I drive electric car I don’t pay I just get tax breaks..

[Taltarzac725]

I don't need Fox to tell me that DiCaprio has mansions and flies private jets. You think Fox is lying on that? By the way, I don't watch or listen to Fox at all. There's a ton of examples. Politicians, celebrities of all sorts.

Re:wild - Biodiversity is the Solution | rewild.org (https://www.rewild.org/)

Here is the link. He is doing quite a lot.

[sounding]

In 2004 we took an Alaskan cruise and went to the Mendenhall glacier. Went back 2 years ago and it clearly was a lot smaller. Went into Visitor Center and saw pictures which were taken in 2004 and showed the same size that we saw. Not going to discuss cause but this and other objective information is showing that we live in a warmer climate. Will never affect current generation, but will affect generations in the future.

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?

[Taltarzac725]

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?

Mendenhall Glacier - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendenhall_Glacier)

From above--

Given that average yearly temperatures are currently increasing, and the outlook is for this trend to continue, it is actually possible that the glacier might experience a period of stabilization or slight advance during its retreating march. This is because increasing amounts of warm, moist air will be carried up to the head of the icefield, where colder ambient temperatures will cause it to precipitate as snow. The increased amount of snow will feed the icefield, possibly enough to offset the continually increasing melting experienced at the glacier's terminus. However, this interesting phenomenon will fade away if temperatures continue to climb, since the head of the glacier will no longer have cold enough ambient temperatures to cause snow to precipitate.

[Byte1]

Humans will kill each other off way before global warming or climate change will become lethal.

[Two Bills]

Humans will kill each other off way before global warming or climate change will become lethal.

The humans have been trying to do that since they populated the earth.
Probably get it right one day.

[golfing eagles]

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?

Don't try to confuse these global warming alarmist cultists with the facts, just let them babble on.......

And guess what?--eventually they will be right---about 40,000 years from now due to the NATURAL repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have been occurring over the last 4.5 million years, ALL WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM HUMANS.

[fdpaq0580]

If it's real, then tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year.

It's a secret. I'm not allowed to you. But you could look it up if you really cared.

[fdpaq0580]

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?

No!

[sounding]

It's a secret. I'm not allowed to you. But you could look it up if you really cared.

Now you know why Al Gore said the debate is over, because he too is afraid to answer that question in public -- because to do so exposes the climate fraud.

[Taltarzac725]

Now you know why Al Gore said the debate is over, because he too is afraid to answer that question in public -- because to do so exposes the climate fraud.

You know that just because Al Gore said whatever in whenever has next to nothing to do with what scientists in 2024 are writing.

[Topspinmo]

The humans have been trying to do that since they populated the earth.
Probably get it right one day.

But now it manmade virus.

[Topspinmo]

You know that just because Al Gore said whatever in whenever has next to nothing to do with what scientists in 2024 are writing.

So you’re saying they’re not getting paid either?

[Taltarzac725]

So you’re saying they’re not getting paid either?

What does that have to do with anything?

Global Warming 101 - Definition, Facts, Causes and Effects of Global Warming (https://www.nrdc.org/stories/global-warming-101)

Oppenheimer was paid because he knew the science involved with the physics of nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion)

Scientists working around the world to solve the problem of global warming are paid because they have the credentials.

[mickey100]

You people can can waste your breath "debating" global warming, but the people in the know, ie. scientists (not retired Villagers) have agreed there is no more debate - the consensus of the scientific community is near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence of an artificial greenhouse effect.

[golfing eagles]

You people can can waste your breath "debating" global warming, but the people in the know, ie. scientists (not retired Villagers) have agreed there is no more debate - the consensus of the scientific community is near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence of an artificial greenhouse effect.

Bull. The consensus is among those that are reliant on government and universities for their living

[Topspinmo]

What does that have to do with anything?

Global Warming 101 - Definition, Facts, Causes and Effects of Global Warming (https://www.nrdc.org/stories/global-warming-101)

Oppenheimer was paid because he knew the science involved with the physics of nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion)

Scientists working around the world to solve the problem of global warming are paid because they have the credentials.

As educated man you should know how system works. Oppenheimer was paid so the enemy wouldn’t get the information. :shocked:

[Topspinmo]

You people can can waste your breath "debating" global warming, but the people in the know, ie. scientists (not retired Villagers) have agreed there is no more debate - the consensus of the scientific community is near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence of an artificial greenhouse effect.

I have to breath anyway so breath not wasted. :o

[fdpaq0580]

But, I drive electric car I don’t pay I just get tax breaks..

Excellent.

[Topspinmo]

It gets old. You post something but offer absolutely nothing in explanation of how it relates to global warming. Here you posted a chart showing maximum temperature for one moment in a given year. That is weather not climate and you know it. The question is not did Tulsa have the single hottest minute compared to other years. It is did Tulsa have a higher average temperature looking at every minute of the year. Or you could post Did Tulsa have more days over 90 than usual or did it have fewer days below 20. Instead you posted information that is disinformation.

Your attempt to confuse the issue is the best proof that you've got no evidence, just a pseudo scientific belief that you must continue to feed.


Didn’t your chart show maximum temperature in milliseconds second of time? :shocked: I lived in Oklahoma for 20 years every summer was record temperature and some winters also.

[fdpaq0580]

Humans will kill each other off way before global warming or climate change will become lethal.

The power of positive thinking.

[Topspinmo]

The power of positive thinking.

No just history, Rome fell and history repeating itself.

[fdpaq0580]

Now you know why Al Gore said the debate is over, because he too is afraid to answer that question in public -- because to do so exposes the climate fraud.

You can't answer it either. Like how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood before it runs out of wood. It's the old "baffle with BS", misdirection, deflection. Nonsense.

[sounding]

Didn’t your chart show maximum temperature in milliseconds second of time? :shocked: I lived in Oklahoma for 20 years every summer was record temperature and some winters also.

I just plotted all "maximum" temperatures for Oklahoma from 1900 to 2023. What years did you observe records?

[fdpaq0580]

I just plotted all "maximum" temperatures for Oklahoma from 1900 to 2023. What years did you observe records?

Oklahoma? Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain? And how does this relate to the growing average annual temperature of the entire planet? Or did you just like the look of the graph that shows local weather? Like a piece of art.

[sounding]

You can't answer it either. Like how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood before it runs out of wood. It's the old "baffle with BS", misdirection, deflection. Nonsense.

I don't have to answer it. I did not claim "man-made" CO2 is evil. In a civil society, the accuser has the burden of proof. The jury awaits your proof of CO2 guilt. Otherwise, CO2 is innocent. Cheers.

[jaj523]

For what it's worth, just found the following article. Here is an excerpt:

"It’s official: 2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record, according to an analysis by scientists from NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI).

Along with the historic heat, Antarctic sea ice coverage dropped to a record low in 2023.

“After seeing the 2023 climate analysis, I have to pause and say that the findings are astounding,” said NOAA Chief Scientist Dr. Sarah Kapnick. “Not only was 2023 the warmest year in NOAA’s 174-year climate record — it was the warmest by far. A warming planet means we need to be prepared for the impacts of climate change that are happening here and now, like extreme weather events that become both more frequent and severe."

The entire article can be found online.

[Two Bills]

Ice Age Kansas beat Global Warming Miami.

Proves Global Warming is a myth!

[PersonOfInterest]

So now global warming is caused by too many people? What happened to the pollution theory? Is the current prescribed solution to limit allowable births?

I'm confused

[Byte1]

So, in a planet such as Earth where we have had constant climate change cycles forever (and before humans populated the planet) how can scientists suggest/prove that mankind is responsible for Climate Change? I do believe that mankind is partially responsible for polluting the world; partially. Are scientists attempting to prove that humans are responsible for something that happens in nature regardless of whether or not earth is populated by humans?
Someone suggested that a poster hated scientists because they get paid to study and research causes of climate change and blame it on human intervention. Speaking for myself, I have no problem with scientists getting paid. I have a problem with scientists wasting my tax dollars to prove an agenda. So far, it seems that their answer or resolution/antidote for a warming trend is for humans to change the climate. Who decides what temperature is best for what country? That is if man could really CONTROL the weather. Once they spend trillions upon trillions proving that mankind exists therefore mankind is responsible for changing our climate, then will they then spend trillions more in attempting to instruct governments in how to regulate the climate like setting a giant thermostat? Perhaps scientists will show man how to stop snow blizzards, hurricanes and tornadoes? Maybe they should first start with something simple like stopping volcanoes from erupting.
This all makes for entertaining discussion.

[sounding]

For what it's worth, just found the following article. Here is an excerpt:

"It’s official: 2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record, according to an analysis by scientists from NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI).

Along with the historic heat, Antarctic sea ice coverage dropped to a record low in 2023.

“After seeing the 2023 climate analysis, I have to pause and say that the findings are astounding,” said NOAA Chief Scientist Dr. Sarah Kapnick. “Not only was 2023 the warmest year in NOAA’s 174-year climate record — it was the warmest by far. A warming planet means we need to be prepared for the impacts of climate change that are happening here and now, like extreme weather events that become both more frequent and severe."

The entire article can be found online.

It's amazing what money can buy. Just look at Mad Magazine.

[PhilG]

When Al Gore returns from vacation

[bogmonster]

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests | Climate crisis | The Guardian (https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests)

So if it warms up a little more, we will have Amoc Collapse which will throw us into an ice age. I’m more confused now than when I found out there are more hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) on a moon of Saturn than we have on earth.

[sounding]

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests | Climate crisis | The Guardian (https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests)

So if it warms up a little more, we will have Amoc Collapse which will throw us into an ice age. I’m more confused now than when I found out there are more hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) on a moon of Saturn than we have on earth.

The failing AMOC is another scare-mongering hit piece.

[ThirdOfFive]

Don't try to confuse these global warming alarmist cultists with the facts, just let them babble on.......

And guess what?--eventually they will be right---about 40,000 years from now due to the NATURAL repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have been occurring over the last 4.5 million years, ALL WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM HUMANS.
True, though the 40,000 year mark might be a bit generous. I doubt the race can maintain itself as any kind of cohesive entity much beyond 200 years, given the finesse in mass killing that we develop war-to-war. Just 19 years after the "war to end all wars" mankind fought another war that made the first one look like a brushfire in comparison.

But on the off-chance we do manage to avoid offing each other and by some miracle DO make it that long, history itself has proven the-sky-is-falling crowd wrong time after time. Our race as lurched from "crisis" to "crisis" as defined by the aforesaid crowd, overcoming them all; and not just overcoming but coming out far the better on the other end. I vividly remember the 50s and the doleful warnings we were given that our planet was bursting at the seams trying to support the two billion five hundred thousand - odd people inhabiting it. But--guess what? We're well over three times that number now and starvation per capita is probably much less today than back in the 50's. Advancements in farming techniques, development of hardier crops, crop diversification, better land use, etc. etc. have come to the fore to prove just how empty the ramblings of the gloomers 70 years ago were. And not just food but disease as well. How many diseases in the past half century such as AIDS, Ebola, Bird Flu, SARS, and of course COVID were going to decimate the race? Not to minimize the danger of any disease but the various Armageddons that were going to be the result of any of them just didn't happen. Dispassionate science, pragmatism and common sense will disprove negative hype every time. And to be honest, the more I hear coming from the gloom-and-doomers, the more it reminds me of a convocation of fleas trying to decide what to do with the dog.

A review of the book "False Alarm: The Truth About The Epidemic of Fear" by Marc Siegel, MD, states the following: "Life today for citizens of the developed world is safer, easier, and healthier than for any other people in history thanks to modern medicine, science, technology, and intelligence. So why is an epidemic of fear sweeping America? The answer, according to nationally renowned health commentator Dr. Marc Siegel, is that we live in an artificially created culture of fear. In False Alarm, Siegel identifies three major catalysts of the culture of fear—government, the media, and big pharma. With fascinating, blow-by-blow analyses of the most sensational false alarms of the past few years, he shows how these fearmongers manipulate our most primitive instincts—often without our even realizing it. ". To be sure, there are those who will claim partisanship on the part of Dr. Siegel but just to claim it doesn't detract from the truth of the above quote.

Fear of something often seems to be just as debilitating, if not more so, than the "something" itself.

[Cliff Fr]

Even if you believe climate change is happened and caused by human activity: The Paris accord does nothing the reduce the carbon output of the biggest polluters, China and India. Those two countries carbon output has been increasing while the USA and UK's output has decreased.

[maistocars]

When will it return? Dunno. But I plan on doing my part: I'll be burning a couple of gallons of used motor oil in the back yard on towards evening.

And an old tire.
Me? I plan on purchasing a cow for the gaseous discharge potential......

[Proveone]

Who knows, but the sooner the better. This and more to be discussed Monday, Jan 15 at 1 PM at the Everglades Center - for the Science & Technology Club - South ... for a talk called Climate Change Calamity.
It's called climate change. You are meeting to push more conspiracy "theories".

[airstreamingypsy]

When will you learn the difference between climate and weather?

[sounding]

It's called climate change. You are meeting to push more conspiracy "theories".

Mazie has all the answers. Just pray.

[Topspinmo]

I just plotted all "maximum" temperatures for Oklahoma from 1900 to 2023. What years did you observe records?


Every summer, it was hotter than hail. Working on concrete ramp. 94 to 2014. But Oklahoma always hot in summer (after all it summer) averages around 100 to 110 July and August.

[mntlblok]

True, though the 40,000 year mark might be a bit generous. I doubt the race can maintain itself as any kind of cohesive entity much beyond 200 years, given the finesse in mass killing that we develop war-to-war. Just 19 years after the "war to end all wars" mankind fought another war that made the first one look like a brushfire in comparison.

But on the off-chance we do manage to avoid offing each other and by some miracle DO make it that long, history itself has proven the-sky-is-falling crowd wrong time after time. Our race as lurched from "crisis" to "crisis" as defined by the aforesaid crowd, overcoming them all; and not just overcoming but coming out far the better on the other end. I vividly remember the 50s and the doleful warnings we were given that our planet was bursting at the seams trying to support the two billion five hundred thousand - odd people inhabiting it. But--guess what? We're well over three times that number now and starvation per capita is probably much less today than back in the 50's. Advancements in farming techniques, development of hardier crops, crop diversification, better land use, etc. etc. have come to the fore to prove just how empty the ramblings of the gloomers 70 years ago were. And not just food but disease as well. How many diseases in the past half century such as AIDS, Ebola, Bird Flu, SARS, and of course COVID were going to decimate the race? Not to minimize the danger of any disease but the various Armageddons that were going to be the result of any of them just didn't happen. Dispassionate science, pragmatism and common sense will disprove negative hype every time. And to be honest, the more I hear coming from the gloom-and-doomers, the more it reminds me of a convocation of fleas trying to decide what to do with the dog.

A review of the book "False Alarm: The Truth About The Epidemic of Fear" by Marc Siegel, MD, states the following: "Life today for citizens of the developed world is safer, easier, and healthier than for any other people in history thanks to modern medicine, science, technology, and intelligence. So why is an epidemic of fear sweeping America? The answer, according to nationally renowned health commentator Dr. Marc Siegel, is that we live in an artificially created culture of fear. In False Alarm, Siegel identifies three major catalysts of the culture of fear—government, the media, and big pharma. With fascinating, blow-by-blow analyses of the most sensational false alarms of the past few years, he shows how these fearmongers manipulate our most primitive instincts—often without our even realizing it. ". To be sure, there are those who will claim partisanship on the part of Dr. Siegel but just to claim it doesn't detract from the truth of the above quote.

Fear of something often seems to be just as debilitating, if not more so, than the "something" itself.

Dr. Marc lost my confidence early in 2020 when I saw him announce on TV that it certainly would *not* become a pandemic. Kinda makes it hard to determine how consistently he does his homework.

[DAVES]

True! Temporary hot and cold periods may occur, but earth's annual average temperatures continue to rise. And, regardless of comments to the contrary, the condition is being helped along by the various activities of 8+ billion human beings.
But, like a certain individual in the news lately likes to tell us, "not a lot of people know that."

I watch people and my opinion is rather low. Any problem and most say someone, ANYBODY BUT ME, should............ I'm retired as many of us are. My carbon footprint is way less than it used to be.
REALITY-I no longer produce anything.
Population. In 1950 the population of the US was 180 million. Today it is 350 million roughly doubled.
Perhaps, like rats on a drowning ship, people turn on each other. Solutions? For most of us others are the problem and others should. Florida where we live. Imagine living here without air conditioning.

[sounding]

It's called climate change. You are meeting to push more conspiracy "theories".

Come to the Climate Change Calamity talk to find out what climate alarmists are really doing under those glacier blankets.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't have to answer it. I did not claim "man-made" CO2 is evil. In a civil society, the accuser has the burden of proof. The jury awaits your proof of CO2 guilt. Otherwise, CO2 is innocent. Cheers.

Ah! Well, I guess I am of the hook since I am not the one who said "man-made CO2 is evil". Humans, through their various activities, produce a multitude of different kinds of gas, many are harmful to the environment. When added to the natural balance said balance can become a danger. Ex, water is not evil, but too much water can drown you. Too much of anything can be problematic, no?

[manaboutown]

Today at my son's house in Sandpoint, Idaho it is now 2. The low was -7; high expected to be 10. So bring on the cow farts.

[fdpaq0580]

Interesting, but fallacious analysis.

First of all, as a retired professor of medicine at a NY university, I was neither "passed over" nor hate learned people. But it does mean I know how the academic system works.

You see, there are politically correct studies and those that are not-----the "correct" studies get the grant money. If you don't believe that, you are naive, and I suggest that you apply for a federal grant to do a study proving that global warming is completely independent of human activity. Rotsa ruck. So therefore, 90%+ of grant money goes to studies "proving" humans are the cause of global warming---and the more immediate and catastrophic, the better. Then, as even this thread proves, the acolytes come out of the woodwork claiming "90+% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused by man"---no kidding, it is a foregone conclusion that would be touted.

Continuing the narrative, who gets published? Those who do studies, and the studies are done by those that have taken the federal grants to "prove" humans cause global warming. Then who gets tenure? Answer, those who publish.

Now, one might question why the powers that be want to push a false narrative on the public. The answer is simple---$139 TRILLION to comply with the Paris accords---which the US couldn't rush there quick enough to sign. Follow the money.

Bottom line, except for retired climatologists and those few that get grants from private foundations, it would be professional suicide for a climatologist to claim anything other than anthropomorphic climate change.

Now does everyone understand??????

Thank you for your answer to my question. I guess you will have to count me among the billions of naive who still believe that the majority is still more likely to be true. I don't doubt your experience, but I have a harder time doubting my own experience and seeing the evidence first hand throughout my lifelong travels worldwide.

[Ponygirl]

Yawn

Here we go again It’s a notice of a meeting of the weather club where everyone discusses climate change (in usually an uninformed way) on the forum

I am not able to show the picture of Alaska’s Muir Glacier But if you can look at the difference in the pictures from 1942 to 2004 that are available

Data shows that the average planetary temps have increased by 3 degrees over the last 100 years And 97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is real and human caused. In a recent survey 75% of people are concerned and 45% are very concerned abt climate change

I am most concerned abt negative impacts on health such as increased heat related illness Increased arboviruses and much much more.

Can also look at the increased numbers of billion dollar disasters and sea level rise

Recent studies on mental health and climate and a study by GWU on asthma and trips to emergency rooms of children living close to highways compared with other children in the same city are interesting

You probably never expect Florida to even say the words climate change but Lake county completed a green house gas inventory and is working on plans to address climate change mitigation and access to sustainable energy

Sorry for the length of this post. But I read the same old same old every month and wanted to comment

[Taltarzac725]

Yawn

Here we go again It’s a notice of a meeting of the weather club where everyone discusses climate change (in usually an uninformed way) on the forum

I am not able to show the picture of Alaska’s Muir Glacier But if you can look at the difference in the pictures from 1942 to 2004 that are available

Data shows that the average planetary temps have increased by 3 degrees over the last 100 years And 97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is real and human caused. In a recent survey 75% of people are concerned and 45% are very concerned abt climate change

I am most concerned abt negative impacts on health such as increased heat related illness Increased arboviruses and much much more.

Can also look at the increased numbers of billion dollar disasters and sea level rise

Recent studies on mental health and climate and a study by GWU on asthma and trips to emergency rooms of children living close to highways compared with other children in the same city are interesting

You probably never expect Florida to even say the words climate change but Lake county completed a green house gas inventory and is working on plans to address climate change mitigation and access to sustainable energy

Sorry for the length of this post. But I read the same old same old every month and wanted to comment

Thanks for adding this interesting information.

[Laraine]

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.

The only problem is your statement "ever" is only looking at the last couple hundred years, since we've been recording temperatures. Unfortunately, that's a little off, as the start of your data coincides with the coldest period in the last 10,000 years. As this graph, taken from ice cores and confirmed by peat bogs, tree rings and other experiments shows, the temperature was several degrees warmer about four thousand years ago. You're following a flawed experiment, being used to enrich many people.

[Taltarzac725]

The only problem is your statement "ever" is only looking at the last couple hundred years, since we've been recording temperatures. Unfortunately, that's a little off, as the start of your data coincides with the coldest period in the last 10,000 years. As this graph, taken from ice cores and confirmed by peat bogs, tree rings and other experiments shows, the temperature was several degrees warmer about four thousand years ago. You're following a flawed experiment, being used to enrich many people.

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Sixth_Assessment_Report)

I will go with the scientists.

[fdpaq0580]

I watch people and my opinion is rather low. Any problem and most say someone, ANYBODY BUT ME, should............ I'm retired as many of us are. My carbon footprint is way less than it used to be.
REALITY-I no longer produce anything.
Population. In 1950 the population of the US was 180 million. Today it is 350 million roughly doubled.
Perhaps, like rats on a drowning ship, people turn on each other. Solutions? For most of us others are the problem and others should. Florida where we live. Imagine living here without air conditioning.

Spend a lot of time in the water and it's very doable for me.

[sounding]

Ah! Well, I guess I am of the hook since I am not the one who said "man-made CO2 is evil". Humans, through their various activities, produce a multitude of different kinds of gas, many are harmful to the environment. When added to the natural balance said balance can become a danger. Ex, water is not evil, but too much water can drown you. Too much of anything can be problematic, no?

In other words you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year -- and neither does Al Gore since he too is afraid to answer that in public.

[sounding]

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Sixth_Assessment_Report)

I will go with the scientists.

Al Gore went with the scientists too ...

[mickey100]

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Sixth_Assessment_Report)

I will go with the scientists.

Me too. I ignore the gum flappers on TOTV. They believe in politics not science.

[ThirdOfFive]

Al Gore went with the scientists too ...
Al is quite the interesting paradox. How to make a boatload of money by being wrong just about all of the time.

[jimjamuser]

I sense Pandora's box creaking open---you know who will jump on this thread with his imminent global warming catastrophe mythological rant. I'll bet within 1/2 hour.
Here's Johnny...............a little late.

[jimjamuser]

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.
The TRUTH and well written.

[golfing eagles]

Here's Johnny...............a little late.

What kept you?

[fdpaq0580]

In other words you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year -- and neither does Al Gore since he too is afraid to answer that in public.

No, I don't. But since it is only one small piece of a very large puzzle, that size of that small piece does not keep me from seeing what the picture is. And you don't know either or you might have shared your knowledge.

[sounding]

No, I don't. But since it is only one small piece of a very large puzzle, that size of that small piece does not keep me from seeing what the picture is. And you don't know either or you might have shared your knowledge.

That's not the point. The all=knowing government, who claims man-made CO2 harms our climate does not even print the value. Guess why.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Oh fun, a Villages Jeopardy game...

"FOR $800 please, Alex, I'm going to go with : What is the global Climate Engineering division, enlisted on career day at Davos, doing now relative to climate change to answer the ? of "When will global warming return?"

[TEXJK]

I’m just waiting for the climate change in a few months…..When the entitled leave

[Byte1]

Yes, yes, yes, let's spend trillions of dollars extorted from our citizens on a study of Climate Change, knowing that we can't do anything to influence said change. Lets WASTE money because we are too bored with investing our money in things that can actually help our fellow citizens. Global Warming and Climate Change is one of the best scams anyone ever thought up. The Climate really does change, and no one can prove that man had anything to do with it's change. Man populated Earth, and the climate changes with the seasons, therefore man must be responsible for climate change. Of course, the Earth's systematic revolving around the Sun has nothing to do with the climate, and volcanoes erupting on land and under the oceans don't warm the water or air or pollute the atmosphere, nope. Since man is the perpetrator, we should lower the population to save the world. Save it for what? If we have no mankind to populate the world, why do we care? Will the world stop seasonal climate change if man is gone? Another question that needs answering is: If man is responsible for Global Warming, how long will it take man to warm up our world before it will be too hot for habitation? If man STOPs it's influence on Global Warming, will we have another ICE AGE? When the most influential reason for my migration to Florida was to live in a warmer climate, why would I care if in my lifetime, my home state's temperature increased a degree or two? The question goes back to: why should I wish for our country to waste trillions of dollars on NON-productive study of how the climate changes over a few thousand years and an attempt to prove that man is responsible, when a the average lifespan of a human is less than a hundred years? And even though I plan to live a hundred years, why should I get worked up over something that will not adversely affect me, my children or grandchildren? On the other hand, I appreciate all reasonable attempts to lessen man's contribution to air pollution. If cleaning up the air we breath is reasonable and has a by product of lessening the damage we do to the ecosystem, then I can support the effort. But, if 50% believe that man is responsible to climate change, then why spend trillions of bucks trying to convince everyone else? Don't come to me with a complaint unless you have a reasonable solution. But, make sure that the complaint is something that affects me and the cost of the solution is worth the investment. Don't force our citizens to spend money best spent elsewhere, on a whimsical short term bandaid solution, which overtly makes scammers very rich.
But, this is as good a subject for discussion as anything else.

[Topspinmo]

Today at my son's house in Sandpoint, Idaho it is now 2. The low was -7; high expected to be 10. So bring on the cow farts.


It be another 20K plus years before Idaho warms up in winter IMO.

[sounding]

It be another 20K plus years before Idaho warms up in winter IMO.

Before installing solar panels, be sure they are above the snow level.

[fdpaq0580]

That's not the point. The all=knowing government, who claims man-made CO2 harms our climate does not even print the value. Guess why.

Actually, what I said about the small bit of missing mosaic not meaning that you can not tell what the picture shows, kinda is my point. We can see and measure the effects, (at least the scientists from 100+countries can, many of whom don't like one another, which makes me not buy into the "global scam" conspiracy theory). You and I (the general public) don't really need to know all the minutia . What we need is to know there is a problem (the magma is coming to the surface), what we need to do (gather all your important stuff), and take appropriate action (prepare for possible evacuation).
So, the question of the CO2 by itself isn't meaningful in big scheme of things. That could be why you can't find the answer.

[sounding]

Actually, what I said about the small bit of missing mosaic not meaning that you can not tell what the picture shows, kinda is my point. We can see and measure the effects, (at least the scientists from 100+countries can, many of whom don't like one another, which makes me not buy into the "global scam" conspiracy theory). You and I (the general public) don't really need to know all the minutia . What we need is to know there is a problem (the magma is coming to the surface), what we need to do (gather all your important stuff), and take appropriate action (prepare for possible evacuation).
So, the question of the CO2 by itself isn't meaningful in big scheme of things. That could be why you can't find the answer.

In other words, man-made CO2 is not a problem. Now you know why Al Gore is afraid to a public debate.

[Mulliganguy]

Global warming puts a chill down my spine 😂

[jimjamuser]

Small addendum for your consideration.
If the world's population was spread evenly over the total landmass, irregardless of whether the area was considered habitable or uninhabitable, (mountainous, desert, etc,) each person would have to survive on a hair more than 4.5 acres. And, due to rising populations, your tiny bit is getting smaller every second.
Food for thought.
I wonder, do they consider golf courses as habitable or inhabitable in that calculation?

[jimjamuser]

Hmm, I wonder which warms the oceans more, underwater volcano eruptions or mankind? About 20 years ago, I happened upon a military website that had sonar and ice thickness readings at the poles. Interesting that according to the military, the ice at the poles was melting from underneath the ice due to the warming ocean water.
As for limiting child birth because "some" folks believe we are too crowded, I don't subscribe to the idea. I believe that family size should be left up to the individuals, not the government. I am sure that mankind will kill itself out way before climate change has a chance to evolve into an emergency situation.
Climate change and excess CO2 has already KILLED a large percentage of the world's coral reefs. But I guess if snorkeling and scuba diving are important to someone else, then that isn't important. Also, coral reefs form a basis for the fishing industry. But I guess that if someone is NOT involved in that industry, it is NOT important. And the same for the boat-building industry.

[jimjamuser]

Even if climate change was caused by human activity (I don't believe it is), the entire effect can be undone by one small natural calamity. We could be in an ice age in 10 years or burn up from a comet.

As far as human population, it is sure to be a problem of underpopulation. I'm seeing young men more and more disaffected by the over the top woke feminism. In addition to that, with AI and robotics becoming more and more advanced, men will be able to satisfy their every whim with a $5000 robot in the not too distant future.
The graph of population in the US and the world show zero sign of turning down toward under-population.

[jimjamuser]

I'm wondering...where do they stick the thermometer? And how often?

And how do they differentiate a temp. being taken as merely part of "weather" or due to "climate change"?
We have to assume that the world's scientists are smart enough to make accurate temperature measurements. They can quantify a trend.

[jimjamuser]

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS (https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml?tab_body=pdf)

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313)

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.
Thanks, for "keeping it real"!

[jimjamuser]

None of this matters. Even if global warming is real and human caused there is currently not a viable replacement for fossil fuels. Every policy the government proposes is designed to drain our pockets and not really help the environment. That is the reason so many of us are skeptical and dismissive of the climate fear mongering. Regardless of improvement in data gathering, the end game is the same. Tax us to death and spread our wealth to politicians.

So you can all save your time with posting charts and graphs. None of us want a climate catastrophe and we all want a clean environment. But unless your suggestions actually help reduce pollution your debates will continue to fall on deaf ears.
The solution is not super difficult. The 1st world countries need to encourage more electric vehicles to be purchased and less fossil fuel vehicles. The 1st world countries need to stop immigration from the 3rd world countries by payments and trade with them including building factories there. Nuclear reactors are safer now and should be built by the 1st world countries.

[jimjamuser]

On one hand he argues we had no good data prior to 1980. On the other he presents graphs with data back to the 1800s to prove his point.
Post #25 is like a GOLD standard to explain fully and in detail all ANYONE needs to know about Global Warming. Seldom in TOTV will you find that kind of clarity and expertise. Why argue and spin the wheels........merely read post #25 with an open mind.
......Perhaps opening of the mind in even so little of a mental exercise as REALLY reading post #25 is too frightening to the preconceived ideas of many people........perhaps that asks too much.....perhaps ACCEPTING REAL knowledge is TOO difficult and not as much fun as speculating, using intuition, and above all........resisting opinion changing at all costs!

[jimjamuser]

It matters immensely. If you care about the survival of our species.
There are suggestions. But suggestions only have value if they can be implemented. To be implemented we need to get the understanding of what is at stake to 8 billion people in over 200 countries around the world. Each with their own political situation and religious beliefs. Those who don't like the message, for what ever reason, search for alternatives that give them some comfort, like a person facing cancer with surgery, chemo and radiation treatments decides to go to a carnival faith healer. The truth falls on "deaf ears", willfully deaf ears. And time is wasted as the clock for the world and the cancer patient continues to run.
Agreed.

[jimjamuser]

Yes relax -- it's all a hoax anyway. There is no observational proof of "man-made" global warming, but there is proof of decreasing severe weather and increasing greening of earth.
If the earth was "greening" so much (whatever that means) then why are there hoards of people from a South America where crops can't grow (due to excessive HEAT) - invading our southern border? Global Warming has destroyed quality farmland.

[jimjamuser]

If it's real, then tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year.
For anyone REALLY paying attention, they would KNOW that scientists are trying to come up with CARBON CAPTURE (CO2) mechanisms or ways to get CO2 out of the upper atmosphere so that the reflected HEAT from the sun is NOT then bounced off that upper atmosphere to return to the Earth. Scientists are trying to come up with such methods because they know that the 1st world population will be SLOW to give up their fossil fueled vehicles for Electric ones.

[jimjamuser]

In 2004 we took an Alaskan cruise and went to the Mendenhall glacier. Went back 2 years ago and it clearly was a lot smaller. Went into Visitor Center and saw pictures which were taken in 2004 and showed the same size that we saw. Not going to discuss cause but this and other objective information is showing that we live in a warmer climate. Will never affect current generation, but will affect generations in the future.
The HEAT has already killed about 60% of ALL coral reefs. Read post #25 which states that the last 10 years are the warmest in recorded HISTORY. Last summer's HEAT in the US killed many people in states like Arizona and Texas. And WHY do you think that all the illegals are heading northward toward the US. Some of them will be criminals and killers.

[jimjamuser]

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?
Man does cause Global Warming primarily through the excessive use of fossil fuels. That is why the last 10 years are the warmest on record. Please read and re-read post #25.

[jimjamuser]

Well nothing bad I can see on the surface of that. Of course, we need farmland. But it would be better if we were grazing our cattle in native grasses instead of factory grain farming. But it certainly doesn't help when these celebrities lecture us while flying private jets and owning multiple mansions. Interesting link. I'll have to read through it some more.

I saw a short documentary recently on reversing desertification of lands by grazing cattle. It was really interesting. These are the things I'm a fan of. Stuff that works for everyone. What I'm not a fan of is government mandating we decrease our standard of living to line their pockets with bull**** like carbon credits or EV mandates.
Cattle are one of the most INEFFICIENT ways to produce protein. Pure land waste.

[jimjamuser]

Don't try to confuse these global warming alarmist cultists with the facts, just let them babble on.......

And guess what?--eventually they will be right---about 40,000 years from now due to the NATURAL repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have been occurring over the last 4.5 million years, ALL WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM HUMANS.
95 % of all Climate Scientists believe in Global Warming. So they ALL must be "babbling".

[jimjamuser]

You know that just because Al Gore said whatever in whenever has next to nothing to do with what scientists in 2024 are writing.
Al Gore was AHEAD of his time. The Oil and Gas industrial complex did NOT want to do what was RIGHT for America. They wanted to keep their profits and high status. So, Al Gore was a threat to them and had to be taken down!

[golfing eagles]

95 % of all Climate Scientists believe in Global Warming. So they ALL must be "babbling".

So you go back and quote my post #55 but ignore post #79 that explains exactly why those scientists are babbling. It’s called professional survival

[fdpaq0580]

I wonder, do they consider golf courses as habitable or inhabitable in that calculation?

JJ, it's habitable oruninhabitable. And, most golf courses would certainly be habitable. Easy to turn into housing or factories or farms. It sounds like heresy in TV, but golf is not indispensable for life. WI golf!

[jimjamuser]

It gets old. You post something but offer absolutely nothing in explanation of how it relates to global warming. Here you posted a chart showing maximum temperature for one moment in a given year. That is weather not climate and you know it. The question is not did Tulsa have the single hottest minute compared to other years. It is did Tulsa have a higher average temperature looking at every minute of the year. Or you could post Did Tulsa have more days over 90 than usual or did it have fewer days below 20. Instead you posted information that is disinformation.

Your attempt to confuse the issue is the best proof that you've got no evidence, just a pseudo scientific belief that you must continue to feed.
I agree. And I can't understand the MOTIVATION to go against the 95 or so percent of the REAL Climate Scientists. The greater summer HEAT of the last 10 years has caused social problems, like unnecessary deaths, more crime, and inefficient outdoor working and recreation conditions. It is indisputable that the oceans are rising. That alone should scare many people into buying electric vehicles.

[golfing eagles]

Al Gore was AHEAD of his time. The Oil and Gas industrial complex did NOT want to do what was RIGHT for America. They wanted to keep their profits and high status. So, Al Gore was a threat to them and had to be taken down!

Al Gore was, is, and always will be a complete idiot. Or am I mistaken in believing our polar ice caps did not completely disappear in 2010?

[jimjamuser]

You people can can waste your breath "debating" global warming, but the people in the know, ie. scientists (not retired Villagers) have agreed there is no more debate - the consensus of the scientific community is near-unanimous acceptance of the evidence of an artificial greenhouse effect.
Absolutely!!!!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

I agree. And I can't understand the MOTIVATION to go against the 95 or so percent of the REAL Climate Scientists. The greater summer HEAT of the last 10 years has caused social problems, like unnecessary deaths, more crime, and inefficient outdoor working and recreation conditions. It is indisputable that the oceans are rising. That alone should scare many people into buying electric vehicles.

You could replace every vehicle with an EV and it wouldn’t make the slightest difference

[fdpaq0580]

Global warming puts a chill down my spine 😂

It should. The same chill you get when St Peter directs you to the Down elevator

[jimjamuser]

Bull. The consensus is among those that are reliant on government and universities for their living
Really, all 95 % of them. That does NOT pass the logic test. Sorry.

[golfing eagles]

If the earth was "greening" so much (whatever that means) then why are there hoards of people from a South America where crops can't grow (due to excessive HEAT) - invading our southern border? Global Warming has destroyed quality farmland.

Yes——an invasion. And the response to a foreign invasion should be to repel it with the full force of the US military, not sign them up for welfare

[fdpaq0580]

We have to assume that the world's scientists are smart enough to make accurate temperature measurements. They can quantify a trend.

No! There are some who believe GW is a global conspiracy. Crazy, huh?

[fdpaq0580]

I agree. And I can't understand the MOTIVATION to go against the 95 or so percent of the REAL Climate Scientists. The greater summer HEAT of the last 10 years has caused social problems, like unnecessary deaths, more crime, and inefficient outdoor working and recreation conditions. It is indisputable that the oceans are rising. That alone should scare many people into buying electric vehicles.

I wonder, could They be the scamers

[golfing eagles]

Really, all 95 % of them. That does NOT pass the logic test. Sorry.

Yes. Read post #79. Maybe a few percent are simply deranged but given the choice of complying with the party line or starvation they will fall in line with the false narrative

[jimjamuser]

Oklahoma? Where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain? And how does this relate to the growing average annual temperature of the entire planet? Or did you just like the look of the graph that shows local weather? Like a piece of art.
Oklahoma ?? Many people think that man is NOT powerful enough to influence nature. Well Oklahoma proves otherwise. The state never had earthquakes and now after so many holes are dug into their ground looking for oil and pumping oil - they have plenty of earthquakes. Morale of the story......man's greed for fossil fuels.

[fdpaq0580]

Cattle are one of the most INEFFICIENT ways to produce protein. Pure land waste.

True! But it's a tasty inefficiency. Guess I could switch to prime peanut butter instead of rib

[golfing eagles]

I second that emotion !!!!!!!

I know you want to ignore it, since it decimates your case of "the 95%", so I guess I'll just repeat it so everyone understands how academia works:

You see, there are politically correct studies and those that are not-----the "correct" studies get the grant money. If you don't believe that, you are naive, and I suggest that you apply for a federal grant to do a study proving that global warming is completely independent of human activity. Rotsa ruck. So therefore, 90%+ of grant money goes to studies "proving" humans are the cause of global warming---and the more immediate and catastrophic, the better. Then, as even this thread proves, the acolytes come out of the woodwork claiming "90+% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused by man"---no kidding, it is a foregone conclusion that would be touted.

Continuing the narrative, who gets published? Those who do studies, and the studies are done by those that have taken the federal grants to "prove" humans cause global warming. Then who gets tenure? Answer, those who publish.

Now, one might question why the powers that be want to push a false narrative on the public. The answer is simple---$139 TRILLION to comply with the Paris accords---which the US couldn't rush there quick enough to sign. Follow the money.

Bottom line, except for retired climatologists and those few that get grants from private foundations, it would be professional suicide for a climatologist to claim anything other than anthropomorphic climate change.

Now does everyone understand??????

[jimjamuser]

Interesting, but fallacious analysis.

First of all, as a retired professor of medicine at a NY university, I was neither "passed over" nor hate learned people. But it does mean I know how the academic system works.

You see, there are politically correct studies and those that are not-----the "correct" studies get the grant money. If you don't believe that, you are naive, and I suggest that you apply for a federal grant to do a study proving that global warming is completely independent of human activity. Rotsa ruck. So therefore, 90%+ of grant money goes to studies "proving" humans are the cause of global warming---and the more immediate and catastrophic, the better. Then, as even this thread proves, the acolytes come out of the woodwork claiming "90+% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused by man"---no kidding, it is a foregone conclusion that would be touted.

Continuing the narrative, who gets published? Those who do studies, and the studies are done by those that have taken the federal grants to "prove" humans cause global warming. Then who gets tenure? Answer, those who publish.

Now, one might question why the powers that be want to push a false narrative on the public. The answer is simple---$139 TRILLION to comply with the Paris accords---which the US couldn't rush there quick enough to sign. Follow the money.

Bottom line, except for retired climatologists and those few that get grants from private foundations, it would be professional suicide for a climatologist to claim anything other than anthropomorphic climate change.

Now does everyone understand??????
That is well written and semi-logical. It is also a PERFECT example of the psychological term "rationalization" where an end result is predetermined and then a justification is prepared to meet that "rationalization".
............But, I do believe that it is SINCERE as proven by the length of the post.

[fdpaq0580]

Al Gore was, is, and always will be a complete idiot. Or am I mistaken in believing our polar ice caps did not completely disappear in 2010?

Wow! That's cold! Al never talks about you that way.
And the polar caps still exist, but they are melting quickly.
(Seeing is believing.)

[jimjamuser]

So now global warming is caused by too many people? What happened to the pollution theory? Is the current prescribed solution to limit allowable births?

I'm confused
An easy explanation. People cause pollution. The more people, the more pollution. Which is coming out of vehicle tailpipes, by the way.

[fdpaq0580]

An easy explanation. People cause pollution. The more people, the more pollution. Which is coming out of vehicle tailpipes, by the way.

Comes out of my tailpipe as well,! Damn those Brussel sprouts!!

[jimjamuser]

In other words you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year -- and neither does Al Gore since he too is afraid to answer that in public.
CO2 itself does NOT warm the earth. It forms a layer in upper atmosphere that REFLECTS HEAT back to the Earth.

[fdpaq0580]

I know you want to ignore it, since it decimates your case of "the 95%", so I guess I'll just repeat it so everyone understands how academia works:
?????

He is correct, Jimjam. I just checked. The correct number is actually 97 %

Take that, JIMJAMUSER

[jimjamuser]

If CO2 is a small part of the problem, then how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?
The last 10 years have been record warming years. See post # 25.

[jimjamuser]

Al Gore was, is, and always will be a complete idiot. Or am I mistaken in believing our polar ice caps did not completely disappear in 2010?
Glaciers all over the world are melting - including at both poles Polar bears are endangered. Al Gore was correct about the TREND. It is always difficult to predict even what will happen ONLY one year into the future. What IS certain is that the poles are melting and that is proven by more ships in the Arctic and the measurements of the oceans rising.

[golfing eagles]

Glaciers all over the world are melting - including at both poles Polar bears are endangered. Al Gore was correct about the TREND. It is always difficult to predict even what will happen ONLY one year into the future. What IS certain is that the poles are melting and that is proven by more ships in the Arctic and the measurements of the oceans rising.

There are 130,000 glaciers on Earth, SOME are melting, others are growing. Overall, they are melting---AS EXPECTED. They started melting 20,000 years ago and will continue to melt for another 30-40,000 years. Likewise, PARTS of the polar ice caps are melting, other parts are GROWING, and overall, even though they have been growing for the last 10 years, they have been melting for 20,000 years as well and will continue to melt. So, yes, in that sense Al gore was correct about the trend, I was correct about the trend, and even you are correct about the trend---that's a no-brainer. HOWEVER, that trend HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY. It has been a cycle that has repeated itself over a dozen times over the last 4.5 million years of our CURRENT ICE AGE.

[sounding]

CO2 itself does NOT warm the earth. It forms a layer in upper atmosphere that REFLECTS HEAT back to the Earth.

WRONG. Greenhouse gases only slow the escape of heat to space. A cooler object (the air) can not heat a warmer object (the earth). It's called science.