Depreciation on Electric vs Gas powered golf carts

[Coop63]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

[Bill14564]

We have one of each: a 2019 Yamaha gas and a 2023 EZGo electric. Unless something changes drastically, my next cart (many years from now) will be electric.

- Neither cart has needed repairs though realistically, the 2023 is still too new to have problems.
- The gas cart requires a yearly oil change and will occasionally require a drive belt
- The electric cart *may* lose range in cold weather or over time. We *might* be seeing a little of that now but the jury is still out
- The lows sound level of the electric is really nice but the gas cart is not all that loud either
- The gas cart feels heavier and more stable in the corners but that may have more to do with the suspension than any difference in gas/electric

New or used? Really a personal decision
- New comes with a warranty to fix any problems that arise
- Used comes with the expectation that any problems that arose were fixed by the previous owner
- New comes with the ability to customize it at the factory
- Used can come with some pretty nice aftermarket additions
- We bought new rather than hope the previous owner took good care of the cart
- Others have reported good experiences buying used
- The price may be more negotiable for a used cart

[village dreamer]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.
go with a gas yamaha, 200 miles on a tank of gas. as far as repairs go, things go,but not often. may need a belt ,battery, tires.

[BrianL99]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.


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go with a gas yamaha, 200 miles on a tank of gas. as far as repairs go, things go,but not often. may need a belt ,battery, tires.

Just don't plan on moving and bringing your cart. Hardly a retirement community in the USA, allows gas powered golf carts. They went out of style about 20 years ago, everywhere but The Villages.

[Malsua]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

I think you're way overthinking it :)

There isn't a huge issue with wear and tear on golf carts. Change the oil annually, change the belts when they need it and enjoy.

My only advice is simply to get a fuel injected one, most models after about 2013/14 are fuel injected.

I put around 4000 miles on my used gas cart the first year here. A 2015, we bought in 2019. Other than some tire wear and a pair of oil changes, it's the same as it was.

In the subsequent years, I'm doing about half that annually, and I've replaced all the bushings once. I've changed the battery once as well and put on larger tires for some more speed.

My wife and I own 3 carts, one for the rental property, one for each of us. Hers is battery and she only goes local as the batteries are getting on in years.

The rental gets used like a rented mule and again, other than a new battery and oil changes, we've done exactly zero other maintence.

We own 3 club cars, but Yamahas are just as good or better.

[Papa_lecki]

Agree, you are over thinking it.

You will have the cart for a long time, unless you want a new one.

Gas or Electric, up to you.

i personally went with a gas Yamaha.

[Normal]

Gas would be the way to go for depreciation or amortization limits. Batteries in electric carts cost way too much and need replaced a whole lot more often than gas engines.

[tophcfa]

The most dependable , maintenance free, bulletproof carts you can get hands down are the mid 2013 through 2016 gas Yamaha EFI carts. The carburetor Yamaha’s before then are good, but not as maintenance free. In 2017, Yamaha introduced the Quiet Tech, which has the rear independent suspension and is quieter, but has proven to be less dependable. Older electric carts that aren’t lithium don’t hold their value well at all, and for good reason. The jury is still out on how well the newer lithium electric carts will hold their value. We use a very good golf cart mechanic, who works on carts all day long six days per week, who told me to never sell our ultra dependable 2014 Yamaha EFI.

[npwalters]

We have one 2018 gas and one 2016 electric. She likes her electric and I like my gas cart. The downside to electric is about every 4 to 5 years when you have to replace the batteries. That is a big expense and something to consider if you buy used.

[Bill14564]

We have one 2018 gas and one 2016 electric. She likes her electric and I like my gas cart. The downside to electric is about every 4 to 5 years when you have to replace the batteries. That is a big expense and something to consider if you buy used.

Maybe true for lead acid batteries but not true for lithium. My lithium battery came with an eight year warranty; I expect it to last 12 years or more and I'll likely have a new cart by then.

[npwalters]

Maybe true for lead acid batteries but not true for lithium. My lithium battery came with an eight year warranty; I expect it to last 12 years or more and I'll likely have a new cart by then.

Very unlikely a used cart will come with a lithium battery pack and somewhat unlikely even in a new cart.

[kkingston57]

Gas would be the way to go for depreciation or amortization limits. Batteries in electric carts cost way too much and need replaced a whole lot more often than gas engines.

With the lithium batteries, this might not be correct. EZ GO is guaranteeing batteries for 8 years. Personally, do not like gas carts because of the smell/smoke

[kkingston57]

The most dependable , maintenance free, bulletproof carts you can get hands down are the mid 2013 through 2016 gas Yamaha EFI carts. The carburetor Yamaha’s before then are good, but not as maintenance free. In 2017, Yamaha introduced the Quiet Tech, which has the rear independent suspension and is quieter, but has proven to be less dependable. Older electric carts that aren’t lithium don’t hold their value well at all, and for good reason. The jury is still out on how well the newer lithium electric carts will hold their value. We use a very good golf cart mechanic, who works on carts all day long six days per week, who told me to never sell our ultra dependable 2014 Yamaha EFI.

Have a 2020 Yamaha and will politely disagree. 400 hours and no problems whatsoever.

[Bill14564]

Very unlikely a used cart will come with a lithium battery pack and somewhat unlikely even in a new cart.

Somewhat unlikely in a used cart perhaps but a new cart is highly likely to be lithium powered.

Would be interesting to hear of someone's experience with replacing a set of lead acid batteries with lithium equivalents.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??.

Depreciation is irrelevant. . . . how much money do you have?
Expect to own the cart 10 years at the minimum unless you use it a real, real lot. .

you can buy a $25K new one or an $8-$12K used one. mechanically, they are no more complex than a ride on mower. . . or maybe a ride on mower is more complex.

just rent an electric cart for a month while renting down here, rent a gas cart the next month, and then you should have enough experience. . . to make choice, then decide how much money you want to spend. .

don't over think buying an oversized lawnmower with two seats and a roof. If you overthink a golf cart, picking the right house might take forever. .

there's no substitution for trying before buying

[Bilyclub]

Just don't plan on moving and bringing your cart. Hardly a retirement community in the USA, allows gas powered golf carts. They went out of style about 20 years ago, everywhere but The Villages.


How many single developer retirement communities are as big or have all the cart infrastructure that TV has ?

[Pairadocs]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

You''ll probably get so many opinions you'll be more confused that ever. We had several carts before retiring and moving to the villages. Only one was electric, that was the one and only, never again. Many will dismiss or refute this, but we found when an electric cart does have a problem when you are actually out in it, most of us have no idea what to do. Yet, most, not all, but most people, do know the basics of care for such things as a lawn mower, and a gas cart is not that many grades above a lawn mower. When we bought batteries for our electric cart, it was a MAJOR expense, far more than gasoline, and the the gas cart was not sucking electricity all night ever time we'd come back for a round.People say gas carts are loud, they are louder than electric, so if your #1 priority is quiet, and electric will surely not disappoint you. We have personally found Club car the most dependable gas cart. It requires little maintenance, clean oil and filter once a year... 20 minute job at most (15 of that opening the cap and letting the old drain into a pan), a couple turns to screw the new filter on, not much to it. We had one Club car we purchased used, and we used it for 18 years with ONE new battery, and one new set of 4 tires ! Many will make the same argument for electrics, so, good luck with which ever you chose.

[Normal]

How many single developer retirement communities are as big or have all the cart infrastructure that TV has ?

Peachtree Georgia is large (maybe 100 miles of cart paths?). It’s a golf cart community but more for all the ages. I’m sure The Villages is twice the size and a little warmer though.

[MrChip72]

We bought a 7 year old Yamaha when we moved to TV. Low miles since they weren't golfers and were getting up there in age. Paid $7000. Had several extras though like full locking dash, speedometer, Sunbrella, seatbelts, storage shelf, signals, etc. We've had no major issues with it but have had to spend around $1000 to replace a few things but I'm totally fine with that. We realized early on that we would need a 4 seater so we opted to have a 4 seater kit installed for $1600 the first year. We've had 3-4 people on the cart dozens of times so it just made more sense for us.

Likely in a couple of years we will upgrade to a newer one, but I'm sure the resale on our current one will be no less than $5000 considering the 4 seater upgrade. Seems like reasonably modest depreciation.

[dhdallas]

I have a 25 year old electric Club Car DS. I replaced the lead acid batteries three years ago with LFP batteries which will still be good for several more years. It will take me wherever I want to go and has never run out of juice. I just plug it in at the end of the day and it is ready to go. No gas or oil to leak in my garage like my neighbors did. No cart fires like a couple of recent gas cart fires. No exhaust fumes or noise. No myriad of filters, injectors, parts to replace. No tune ups or oil changes needed. I have seen a number of gas carts waiting on a tow but never an electric one. It's a no-brainer. Go electric. Those who still prefer gas are just resistant to change even it is good. My dad never wanted a front wheel drive car or a CVT transmission or 4-wheel drive without locking hubs but it has all been good.
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[rsmurano]

new Yamaha gas cart is the best option. We bought new 2.5 years ago and have 10,000 miles on it. You will have maintenance like a belt, oil changes, but we have had a couple big items replaced under warranty, We buy new cars and golf carts because I don’t want somebody else’s problems.
We had electric carts before.
Battery life will all depend on how you use them, how you charge them, which are too many restrictions for me. I put gas in and can go 200 miles more than a lithium cart on 1 charge.
The cost of lithium batteries is very high and is a toxic waste that harms the environment. I can rebuild a gas cart many times for the cost of 1 set of lithium batteries.
As for atomic carts, cute looking, didn’t like them after driving them.
Just my opinion.

[sdeikenberry]

I drive my Yamaha gas cart everywhere. Rarely take the auto. I get 47 mpg consistently. I golf all championship courses north to south. Other guys with new electric lithium battery carts won’t go as far as I do/can. I never worry about running out of gas. Electric cart owners worry about the distances they travel.

[Aviator1211]

The Villages is the onlly place left that uses gas carts. Their resale value will soon be about the same as a picture tube TV. Electric is 10 times less expensive per mile and 100x less polluting.

4 years ago I bought a 2011 Star Cart and replaced the batteries with lithium and have been thrilled with the results.

Buy gas only if you need to spend all day driving your cart ... or if you are very old fashioned.

[Aviator1211]

Somewhat unlikely in a used cart perhaps but a new cart is highly likely to be lithium powered.

Would be interesting to hear of someone's experience with replacing a set of lead acid batteries with lithium equivalents.
It was a snap. Lithium is good for 2000 charge cycles. Thats 60,000 miles. Way longer than I'll be alive.

I bought directly from ReLion and installed myself, but Battery Boys sells them and will do the install. 4 years now and absolutely no regrets.

[Susan1717]

I personally would not buy anything but a gas golf cart. I love how far I can go without any worries. It takes corners better and I have had zero repairs needed. I will never buy any electric vehicle that needs to be plugged in.

[Papa_lecki]

The Villages is the onlly place left that uses gas carts.

The Villages is also the only Comunity large enough, with enough carts and with enough infrastructure to support a lot of gas stations that golf carts can get to for a fill up.

[gmracket]

We have had both electric and gas. Electric is quieter but batteries are very expensive. They don't get the milage only perhaps 40-50 miles before charging. We have owned gas since they don't have a gas odor like the old ones. I get about 50 miles to a gallon. Neither have had much repairs. You think you only go short distances but lose out on going over the bridges to the south side because you're afraid of running out of power. Overall, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Used versus new. That's a personal decision and costs. I prefer gas especially because I can get more distance. Good luck

[MandoMan]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

Last year, about 80% of the golf carts sold by Villages Golf Cars had Lithium Ion batteries. That’s a reverse from two years before, when it was mostly Yamahas being sold.

I ordered a beautiful custom EZgo with lithium battery when I moved here three years ago. $21,000! But I don’t play golf, and after a year I had only put fifty miles on it. So I sold it for about $17,000, I think. A couple months ago I bought a 2020 Toyota Prius Limited with all the extras for $26,000. It had spent its life in The Villages, averaging 153 mpg over 46,000 miles. So, nearly all my driving in The Villages is powered by battery, and it’s more comfortable by far than a golf cart, just as quiet as that EZgo, fast, and heated in the cold and air-conditioned the rest of the year. I don’t miss the golf cart at all.

[golfing eagles]

I have a 25 year old electric Club Car DS. I replaced the lead acid batteries three years ago with LFP batteries which will still be good for several more years. It will take me wherever I want to go and has never run out of juice. I just plug it in at the end of the day and it is ready to go. No gas or oil to leak in my garage like my neighbors did. No cart fires like a couple of recent gas cart fires. No exhaust fumes or noise. No myriad of filters, injectors, parts to replace. No tune ups or oil changes needed. I have seen a number of gas carts waiting on a tow but never an electric one. It's a no-brainer. Go electric. Those who still prefer gas are just resistant to change even it is good. My dad never wanted a front wheel drive car or a CVT transmission or 4-wheel drive without locking hubs but it has all been good.
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Any statistics on how many "gas carts" caught on fire (short of throwing a cigar in the tank) vs. "lithium battery carts"??? I don't know either, but I have a pretty good idea---never had a gas tank blow up while getting charged:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Gas carts getting towed----very rare, and can be filled if out of gas
Electric carts getting towed----out of juice and can't be filled up

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Just don't plan on moving and bringing your cart. Hardly a retirement community in the USA, allows gas powered golf carts. They went out of style about 20 years ago, everywhere but The Villages.

We did 19 years ago and saved $2000. We had a friend to trailer it down. As far as purchasing now, I would go with a used one, either from a dealer or private owner. Most sellers will negotiate, and if you find one you like, have it checked out/driven by a knowledgeable friend. If you're really a novice, buy new (gas).

[RICH1]

you will be very sorry if you buy Electric!

A New Gas Yamaha is the way to go,
it's a One time purchase, you will change oil as required and Enjoy the Reliability of a Yamaha

[biker1]

No, not 10x, not even close. I have a gas and an electric golf cart. The electric costs about 2.5 cents per mile and the gas cost about 6 cents per mile. These are just the fuel charges. Eventually the gas cart will be replaced with another electric but the cost per mile is not a factor in the decision.

The Villages is the onlly place left that uses gas carts. Their resale value will soon be about the same as a picture tube TV. Electric is 10 times less expensive per mile and 100x less polluting.

4 years ago I bought a 2011 Star Cart and replaced the batteries with lithium and have been thrilled with the results.

Buy gas only if you need to spend all day driving your cart ... or if you are very old fashioned.

[Berwin]

Agree that you are overthinking it. I was going to buy new a couple of months after we moved in but my wife heard through the grapevine that a couple with two carts was thinking about getting rid of one of them. So, instead of paying $10,000+, I picked up a very nice used one for $3,500. After a couple of years of trouble-free service I plan to replace the front wheel bearings this spring. I can do it myself but will probably hire a mobile tech several of my neighbors have used. It was bought new from the Club Car dealer on 441 in Lady Lake. I dropped by to talk to them about it and they assured me it was good to go.

[MCJEFE]

If you want the best value for you money... You can actually pick up a deal on a really good used electric cart with old batteries and then simply have someone do a lithium battery conversion.

Most lithium batteries come with a 8-10 warranty and are actually projected to last closer to 12-15 years with essentially zero maintenance.

Bo's Buggies does a great job and is very reasonable.

[BrianL99]

you will be very sorry if you buy Electric!

A New Gas Yamaha is the way to go,
it's a One time purchase, you will change oil as required and Enjoy the Reliability of a Yamaha

A lot of older folks prefer the Gasoline carts. The vibration and noise helps keep them awake and alert. It's way too easy to fall asleep in a silent, electric cart.

[jnsbill]

The only thing I would add is - if you are going to spend a lot of time in your cart buy one with either a Sleekline or Curtis cab

[Mrfriendly]

Reading this by now you think it’s probably a coin flip electric versus gas cart. We have a 2010 gas Yamaha came with the house also bought a refurbished 2020 Gass Yamaha. Newer cart little quieter, smoother ride. Your biggest decision next is what color and do I buy the upgraded seats which I suggest you do. Good luck and happy trails!

[Vermilion Villager]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.
Electric carts are very hard to come by. I did a search of used carts and out of 7 pages of used carts at TOTV I only found 4 that were lithium. Given that 40% of carts sold in the villages are now electric it appears electric owners are keeping theirs.
Resale value equals supply and demand...I think thats what you were looking for.

[mrf0151]

Maybe true for lead acid batteries but not true for lithium. My lithium battery came with an eight year warranty; I expect it to last 12 years or more and I'll likely have a new cart by then.

So then comes the big question: What will be the resale value of your lithium cart when it needs batteries, and you want to sell it? Might even be very hard to sell...

[Professor]

I prefer gas. Easy to maintain and no worry about the cost of battery replacement. The length of the drive in The Villages is getting longer and longer. Personally, I don't want to worry about running out of juice, but at the end of the day it is a personal preference. I vote for new. You never know how a used cart has been taken care of or if it has been abused...again, personal preference. Of course I won't but a used car either for the same reason...

[michellevanhaste]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out myvillage journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

I have a really nice cart for sale, perfect for a new user TOMBERLIN
2017. New tires, 2 yr batteries..clean great ride. Contact bud to see 973-997-9106
Lots of extras.

[ron32162]

flip a coin

[waterflower]

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The DRIVE H2 is based on Yamaha's DRIVE2 CONCIERGE4, a four-seater golf car sold mainly in the United States, but also around the world. Hydrogen engines are internal combustion engines that can make use of existing technologies and at the same time do not emit CO2 during the combustion process. For this reason, Yamaha is conducting research and development of this technology as it has the potential to achieve both the continued use of internal combustion engines and decarbonization.

DRIVE H2 is equipped with two high-pressure hydrogen tanks (25L each) positioned under the driver's seat and on the back of the rear seat.

To date, Yamaha has announced concept models equipped with hydrogen engines, including generators and ROVs, and now the DRIVE H2. By exhibiting at this event, Yamaha promotes its efforts toward achieving decarbonization.

[Bill14564]

So then comes the big question: What will be the resale value of your lithium cart when it needs batteries, and you want to sell it? Might even be very hard to sell...

Not even a consideration. Will likely get a new cart long before batteries are required, electric carts are in demand so driving price up, and if I got $0 out of it I would still be happy.

[Villagesgal]

We chose to buy a new gas Yamaha cart in 2001. It's still running strong, oil change every 2 years, 3 sets of new tires, 1 set of new belts and that's it. We drive the cart every day for errands and visiting friends. I can tell you that if/when it finally needs major repairs, although we've been told that will probably be many years from now, we will buy another new Yamaha gas cart. Buy new tricked out exactly as you want, take good care of it, and you'll be happy with it as long as you chose to own it.

[merrymini]

I am on my second electric cart and loved both. I must admit that I would not use a golf car to drive long distances because spending an hour in the cart when I can get there in 20 minutes in an automobile seems like a waste of time to me. I bought an Atomic ion with lithium batteries because the cost of a regular cart has gotten so high, it did not make sense not to go for it. Windshield wipers, air, heat, bluetooth and it does not stink up my garage. Plug it in in the evening and ready to go in the morning. All carts use energy but this cart does not have exhaust, which is what I am looking for.

[Vermilion Villager]

So then comes the big question: What will be the resale value of your lithium cart when it needs batteries, and you want to sell it? Might even be very hard to sell...
So then comes the follow on question: what will be the resale value of a gas cart that needs a new engine?
I'm sure you would agree droping in a new lithium battery in a cart is way easier and cheaper than a new or rebuilt engine.

[sloanst]

Remember. Electric carts will need to have their batteries replaced after 5 to 8 years. That's going to cost you around $1000 or more. Check out that cost before you buy.

[Keninches]

We have had a Club Car Gas for 18 years. Still looks good, still runs great. No problems, only oil changes.

[Steve]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

Electric carts: Count on replacing the batteries every couple of years. That's about an $800+ expense right there. Plus, you want to drive to the North end of the Villages from the South end? At some point as your batteries age they will run down before you get home. When your batteries do run down you need to recharge them for about 12 hours before you're at full strength again.

Gas carts: My 1997 Yamaha is still going strong, gets 42 mpg giving me a range of about 200 miles. If I get low on gas I pull into a gas station and fill up and I'm good for another 200 miles. I do an annual maintenance by a local golf cart outfit for $85 and I'm good for another year.

I had electric to start with, but The Villages has outgrown electric carts.

[Steve]

So then comes the follow on question: what will be the resale value of a gas cart that needs a new engine?
I'm sure you would agree droping in a new lithium battery in a cart is way easier and cheaper than a new or rebuilt engine.

I've lived in The Villages for going on 19 ears. The number of people I know who have blown a golf cart engine is...ZERO. Not that it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of one. But I did replace my electric cart's motor three times in seven years...not to mention three sets of batteries in those seven years. And if you don't keep those batteries full of water they are toast. So check that water at least once a week if not more often.

[Steve]

I am on my second electric cart and loved both. I must admit that I would not use a golf car to drive long distances because spending an hour in the cart when I can get there in 20 minutes in an automobile seems like a waste of time to me. I bought an Atomic ion with lithium batteries because the cost of a regular cart has gotten so high, it did not make sense not to go for it. Windshield wipers, air, heat, bluetooth and it does not stink up my garage. Plug it in in the evening and ready to go in the morning. All carts use energy but this cart does not have exhaust, which is what I am looking for.

But lithium batteries have been know to catch fire spontaneously. I wouldn't have a lithium battery powered vehicle--car or cart--in my garage.

[Bill14564]

I've lived in The Villages for going on 19 ears. The number of people I know who have blown a golf cart engine is...ZERO. Not that it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of one. But I did replace my electric cart's motor three times in seven years...not to mention three sets of batteries in those seven years. And if you don't keep those batteries full of water they are toast. So check that water at least once a week if not more often.

Sounds like you had a lemon for a golf cart. Very unfortunate.

I would buy lithium today rather than lead acid. Expect 10 years before replacing a lithium battery and no water to monitor.

[Bill14564]

But lithium batteries have been know to catch fire spontaneously. I wouldn't have a lithium battery powered vehicle--car or cart--in my garage.

Please post two articles about lithium golf carts spontaneously catching fire. I have seen two articles about gas carts catching fire in the Villages in just the last year. It seems like gas carts are more dangerous than lithium.

[BrianL99]

But lithium batteries have been know to catch fire spontaneously. I wouldn't have a lithium battery powered vehicle--car or cart--in my garage.

Are you burning the non-flammable gas in your golf cart?

Just curious.

[KenLee100]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.

I was told that the Yamaha gas cart was designed to play 36 holes of golf per day, 7 days a week, for 20 years without a major repair. I bought one for me and one for my wife. No regrets. We drive them almost 10,000 miles per year.

[Dusty_Star]

Please post two articles about lithium golf carts spontaneously catching fire. I have seen two articles about gas carts catching fire in the Villages in just the last year. It seems like gas carts are more dangerous than lithium.

Hiya Bill,

I'll take this one for you Steve.

Canyon Lake July 2023 The Friday Flyer | Fire Department issues golf cart lithium-ion battery warnings (https://fridayflyer.com/article/2023-07-07/fire-department-issues-golf-cart-lithium-ion-battery-warnings/)

Jacksonville June 2023 Business owner says lithium batteries are safe, despite fires | firstcoastnews.com (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/after-golf-cart-ignites-jacksonville-home-expert-safety-tips/77-429d8024-032a-4f2b-9d68-c5dfb4087d96)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'spontaneously', in the Jacksonville article there is speculation about possible causes, & in the Canyon Lake they are pointing at charging overnight, but also throw the word 'retrofit' around & then speculate on other possible causes. ie: only use OEM equipment, carefully follow instructions, inspect battery for damage, don't charge past full, don't keep near flammable items, don't charge while sleeping, keep in an optimal temperature environment, & so on.

[Bill14564]

Hiya Bill,

I'll take this one for you Steve.

Canyon Lake July 2023 The Friday Flyer | Fire Department issues golf cart lithium-ion battery warnings (https://fridayflyer.com/article/2023-07-07/fire-department-issues-golf-cart-lithium-ion-battery-warnings/)

Jacksonville June 2023 Business owner says lithium batteries are safe, despite fires | firstcoastnews.com (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/after-golf-cart-ignites-jacksonville-home-expert-safety-tips/77-429d8024-032a-4f2b-9d68-c5dfb4087d96)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'spontaneously', in the Jacksonville article there is speculation about possible causes, & in the Canyon Lake they are pointing at charging overnight, but also throw the word 'retrofit' around & then speculate on other possible causes. ie: only use OEM equipment, carefully follow instructions, inspect battery for damage, don't charge past full, don't keep near flammable items, don't charge while sleeping, keep in an optimal temperature environment, & so on.

Spontaneously: Steve made the assertion, I was looking for something to back that up.

These two articles are concerning. It is implied that an inappropriate charger was being used but no concrete statement to that effect. I still trust my OEM EZGO but will be careful with anything that may habe been modified.

[jimjamuser]

I have a 25 year old electric Club Car DS. I replaced the lead acid batteries three years ago with LFP batteries which will still be good for several more years. It will take me wherever I want to go and has never run out of juice. I just plug it in at the end of the day and it is ready to go. No gas or oil to leak in my garage like my neighbors did. No cart fires like a couple of recent gas cart fires. No exhaust fumes or noise. No myriad of filters, injectors, parts to replace. No tune ups or oil changes needed. I have seen a number of gas carts waiting on a tow but never an electric one. It's a no-brainer. Go electric. Those who still prefer gas are just resistant to change even it is good. My dad never wanted a front wheel drive car or a CVT transmission or 4-wheel drive without locking hubs but it has all been good.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/dhdallas-118996/albums/1999-club-car-electic/10055-1999-electric-club-car.jpg
When I am out in my front yard, I can SMELL the POLLUTION put out by 80% of the gas golf carts that drive by. Only a 60 year old car or truck, WITHOUT a catalytic converter, would smell of POLLUTION that badly.

[jimjamuser]

With the lithium batteries, this might not be correct. EZ GO is guaranteeing batteries for 8 years. Personally, do not like gas carts because of the smell/smoke
Something that people forget is that as more people buy E-vehicles of ANY kind, there will be greater motivation for industry to research better and better batteries. The electric motor is already bulletproof level reliable with almost zero regular maintenance.

[jimjamuser]

The Villages is the onlly place left that uses gas carts. Their resale value will soon be about the same as a picture tube TV. Electric is 10 times less expensive per mile and 100x less polluting.

4 years ago I bought a 2011 Star Cart and replaced the batteries with lithium and have been thrilled with the results.

Buy gas only if you need to spend all day driving your cart ... or if you are very old fashioned.
I wonder what the true statistics are about the number of gas vs electric golf carts is in the US. I also wonder about which is the most popular in other countries like in Europe or Australia?

[jimjamuser]

A lot of older folks prefer the Gasoline carts. The vibration and noise helps keep them awake and alert. It's way too easy to fall asleep in a silent, electric cart.
A person could buy an electric cart and play hot jazz in order to stay alert.

[BrianL99]

I wonder what the true statistics are about the number of gas vs electric golf carts is in the US. I also wonder about which is the most popular in other countries like in Europe or Australia?

80% Electric World Wide

Golf Cart Market Share, Growth & Size | Industry Trends [2028] (https://www.fortunebusinessinsights.com/golf-cart-market-106337)


A little over 80% Electric in the USA. Considering the size of the TV Market, that probably makes up at least 1/2 of the gasoline market in the entire USA. Over 80% of Yamaha USA Gas Golf Carts go to TV.

U.S. Market Study on Golf Carts: Electric Golf Cart Sales to Rise Steadily Going Forward (https://www.persistencemarketresearch.com/market-research/us-golf-cart-market.asp)

[jimjamuser]

Electric carts are very hard to come by. I did a search of used carts and out of 7 pages of used carts at TOTV I only found 4 that were lithium. Given that 40% of carts sold in the villages are now electric it appears electric owners are keeping theirs.
Resale value equals supply and demand...I think thats what you were looking for.
I did NOT realize that E-cart ownership was that HIGH (40%). I imagine with continued improvement in batteries (like more range) that E-carts will INCREASE in ownership and with more sales the price could go DOWN.

[Bilyclub]

Last year, about 80% of the golf carts sold by Villages Golf Cars had Lithium Ion batteries. That’s a reverse from two years before, when it was mostly Yamahas being sold.


Since when does The Villages Golf Cars publish sales figures? Most of the pics they release of new carts with their owners are Yamahas.

[jimjamuser]

80% Electric World Wide

Golf Cart Market Share, Growth & Size | Industry Trends [2028] (https://www.fortunebusinessinsights.com/golf-cart-market-106337)


A little over 80% Electric in the USA. Considering the size of the TV Market, that probably makes up at least 1/2 of the gasoline market in the entire USA. Over 80% of Yamaha USA Gas Golf Carts go to TV.

U.S. Market Study on Golf Carts: Electric Golf Cart Sales to Rise Steadily Going Forward (https://www.persistencemarketresearch.com/market-research/us-golf-cart-market.asp)
Thanks...... 80% electric golf cart in the US and the world - nice to know that the US is as sophisticated as the rest of the world.

[NoMoSno]

Over 80% of Yamaha USA Gas Golf Carts go to TV.


Not even close to 80%...

[BrianL99]

Not even close to 80%...

The EVP at Yamaha USA who told me that, would beg to differ with you.

Where else would they go? Other than a few low rent golf courses that might still buy a few? Gas golf carts are novelties, every place other than TV.

[NoMoSno]

The EVP at Yamaha USA who told me that, would beg to differ with you.
OK...

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

The Villages is the onlly place left that uses gas carts. Their resale value will soon be about the same as a picture tube TV. Electric is 10 times less expensive per mile and 100x less polluting.

4 years ago I bought a 2011 Star Cart and replaced the batteries with lithium and have been thrilled with the results.

Buy gas only if you need to spend all day driving your cart ... or if you are very old fashioned.

It depends on whether you can look yourself in the mirror after you’ve thrown away your batteries when you’ve used them up.

[thelegges]

Not even close to 80%...

80% of what is produced by Yamaha goes to TV, doesn’t mean 80% of all carts in TV are gas.

Besides when we came in 07 electric was very much the norm. Of course TV was the established SS, and the newly built empty LSL. Reason everyone owned electric wasn’t to save the environment, it was what was being sold at a higher volume at the time. Farther north you go you will see more the really old electric carts, still running and owners are very happy to keep their older carts.

As TV evolved gas became more prevalent, because older batteries just wasn’t going to get you there and back in those days.

[tophcfa]

Thanks...... 80% electric golf cart in the US and the world - nice to know that the US is as sophisticated as the rest of the world.

So are you saying that Villagers driving gas carts are unsophisticated?

[BrianL99]

So are you saying that Villagers driving gas carts are unsophisticated?


Mired in the past, might be a better characterization.

Same reason we see so many gasoline powered carts, gussied up to be reminiscent of the 1930's. How many Villagers were even around in the 30's?

... or the seeming need of every band that shows up at the squares, to play Mustang Sally.

[Aviator1211]

Remember. Electric carts will need to have their batteries replaced after 5 to 8 years. That's going to cost you around $1000 or more. Check out that cost before you buy.

This is outdated information that only applies to the old lead-acid batteries. Beware of gas advocates using outdated information. Lithium golf cart batteries are just like the ones in your cell phone and will last 2000 full charge cycles just like your cell phone battery. That equates to 60,000 miles. The batteries will outlast all of us.

[Aviator1211]

Electric carts: Count on replacing the batteries every couple of years. That's about an $800+ expense right there. Plus, you want to drive to the North end of the Villages from the South end? At some point as your batteries age they will run down before you get home. When your batteries do run down you need to recharge them for about 12 hours before you're at full strength again.

Gas carts: My 1997 Yamaha is still going strong, gets 42 mpg giving me a range of about 200 miles. If I get low on gas I pull into a gas station and fill up and I'm good for another 200 miles. I do an annual maintenance by a local golf cart outfit for $85 and I'm good for another year.

I had electric to start with, but The Villages has outgrown electric carts.

More outdated information which only applies to the obsolete lead-acid batteries. Even if this was current information, the dramatically lower operating cost of electric carts pay for the replacement battery cost.

[Normal]

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.

We like that you are never tethered to the life of ,”Did I plug the cart in?” “I wonder if the batteries are still good?”…….

[Blackie]

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.

We like that you are never tethered to the life of ,”Did I plug the cart in?” “I wonder if the batteries are still good?”…….

If you have 7 minutes perhaps watch this video.

https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ?si=KysLXS62m0CZOma7

[tophcfa]

If you have 7 minutes perhaps watch this video.

https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ?si=KysLXS62m0CZOma7

Interesting process, but no mention as to the energy intensity required and whether or not it’s a net positive or negative after considering all relevant factors.

[BrianL99]

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.




Yeah, but you'd be avoiding all that partial burning of a fossil fuel and helping to prevent the driver of the cart behind you, from dying from the smell and fumes ahead of him.

Besides, the Federal Government apparently has a secret plan on how to dispose of all those used up batteries. They're not telling us what it is yet, but if they didn't have one, why would they be promoting EV's ?

Win - win.

[biker1]

Yes. Yamaha actually warranties the engines for 20 years/5000 hours if you use Yamalube and follow the maintenance schedule. I am sure there is some small print and some marketing motivation for this warranty but the bottom line is they apparently think the engines will last a long time. 5000 hours basically translates to about 80k miles. I am currently at 2000 hours with no perceptible oil consumption, decrease in miles per gallon, or reduction in top speed.

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.

We like that you are never tethered to the life of ,”Did I plug the cart in?” “I wonder if the batteries are still good?”…….

[golfing eagles]

This is outdated information that only applies to the old lead-acid batteries. Beware of gas advocates using outdated information. Lithium golf cart batteries are just like the ones in your cell phone and will last 2000 full charge cycles just like your cell phone battery. That equates to 60,000 miles. The batteries will outlast all of us.

So, using YOUR math, 60,000 miles/2,000 charges = 30 miles per charge. I think I'll stick with gas rather than run out of juice 1/2 way across TV

[jimjamuser]

Interesting process, but no mention as to the energy intensity required and whether or not it’s a net positive or negative after considering all relevant factors.
I believe that in the video, they stated that it is easier and cheaper to MINE the exotic and expensive metal there in the RECYCLE plant than it would be to MINE the metals out of the GROUND.
......Also 80% of golf carts WORLDWIDE are ELECTRIC. So, there is a lot of research going on to improve every aspect of E-cart use.

[jimjamuser]

So, using YOUR math, 60,000 miles/2,000 charges = 30 miles per charge. I think I'll stick with gas rather than run out of juice 1/2 way across TV
I could see in a few years that each golf course and many retail businesses would have rapid charging stations for use while people played the golf course (or at pickleball or softball) or while they were shopping. The changeover to E-vehicles will NOT happen immediately. but research and improvement WILL.

[Bill14564]

So, using YOUR math, 60,000 miles/2,000 charges = 30 miles per charge. I think I'll stick with gas rather than run out of juice 1/2 way across TV

Where do you live in TV that 30 miles is halfway across? (that would be 60 miles wide or 20 miles wide of you're thinking about a round trip)

My cart gets more than 45 miles on a charge which is farther than I want to go in a cart anyway.

As TV grows south it is getting too large to travel from one end to the other and back. For anyone who wants/needs to do that, gas is the way to go.

[golfing eagles]

Where do you live in TV that 30 miles is halfway across? (that would be 60 miles wide or 20 miles wide of you're thinking about a round trip)

My cart gets more than 45 miles on a charge which is farther than I want to go in a cart anyway.

As TV grows south it is getting too large to travel from one end to the other and back. For anyone who wants/needs to do that, gas is the way to go.

I'm pretty much centrally located (Now. When I bought in 2014 there were 9 houses south on me and that was the end of TV)
However, if someone lives in Lake Denham and wants to play Lopez and take their cart, they are not getting there and back at 30 miles. Now, in all fairness, I believe most new electric carts will get about 60 miles/charge---I was just using the numbers posted.

If someone wants electric because it's quieter and doesn't smell, I'm all in favor and if they get the range near 80-90, I'll be in that market as well. If someone wants electric because they think they are saving the planet from the myth/scam of so called global warming, then they need a dementia evaluation.

[BrianL99]

......Also 80% of golf carts WORLDWIDE are ELECTRIC. So, there is a lot of research going on to improve every aspect of E-cart use.


R&D of any sort, as it relates to gas carts, stopped about 30 years ago.

The 3 only real changes to gas golf carts in the last 60 years are:

1. Went from 3 wheels & a "tiller", to 4 wheels.

2. Added Fuel Injection, about 30 years after it became common place on every other product.

3. Yamaha added a "pad" under the seat to muffle noise, at the expense of heating your butt. Win in the winter, questionable May - October.

[JMintzer]

Electric carts are very hard to come by. I did a search of used carts and out of 7 pages of used carts at TOTV I only found 4 that were lithium. Given that 40% of carts sold in the villages are now electric it appears electric owners are keeping theirs.
Resale value equals supply and demand...I think thats what you were looking for.

Or, they're newer and people haven't gotten around to replacing them yet...

You have 20+ years of gas carts as re-sale inventory...

[Michael G.]

Would be interesting to hear of someone's experience with replacing a set of lead acid batteries with lithium equivalents.


My son did on his "Star" brand cart and because of the extra weight experienced a slower drive speed.
There's more modification than just replacing the lead acid batteries with lithium.

Jury is still out on tire wear.

[JMintzer]

To actually answer the OP, we bought a used 2013 Yamaha in the Summer of 2021 for $7000. It had the lockable dash and an overhead storage tray.

I drove it for over two years (and serviced it once), and it served us well. I just wasn't happy with the suspension, nor the slightly upgraded bench seats.

I much preferred riding in my buddy's 2017 Yamaha QuieTech with high-back El Tigre seats.

So... this past Summer, we sold the 2013 (for $1000 less than we paid for it) and bought a newer 2017 QuieTech with the high back El Tigre bucket seats, overhead storage tray, hard valance (less wind buffeting of the softer valances at speed), speedometer/odometer and LED accent lights for $9500... I had it serviced immediately, and was told by the technician that the cart was in great shape and should serve us for years to come...

I find that the prices drop a few thousand/year initially on the new ones, then about $1000/year after that...

2018's are selling in the $10K range, 2017's are selling in the $9K range, 2016 in the $8K range, and so on and so on...

Personally, I'd look for a nice, clean 2018/19 QuieTech and you'll be good to go for a long time...

[Altavia]

May be a good times to look at referbished carts.

The Golf store at Brownwood has a parking lot full of carts.

Last year, there were very few this time of year.

[BrianL99]

My son did on his "Star" brand cart and because of the extra weight experienced a slower drive speed.
There's more modification than just replacing the lead acid batteries with lithium.
.


That's a good trick, considering Lithium batteries weigh significantly less than comparable Lead-Acid batteries.

The Complete Guide to Lithium vs Lead Acid Batteries - Power Sonic (https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries/)

The Complete Guide to Lithium vs Lead Acid Batteries - Power Sonic (https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries/)

The Truth About Lead-Acid Vs. Lithium-Ion Batteries In RVs (https://battlebornbatteries.com/lead-acid-vs-lithium-ion-batteries/)

Lithium Ion VS Lead Acid Battery- 11 Key Differences Explained (https://www.etechnophiles.com/lithium-ion-vs-lead-acid-battery/)

Lead-Acid vs. Lithium Batteries: Which is Better? - Battery Skills (https://www.batteryskills.com/lead-acid-vs-lithium-batteries-which-is-better/)

[wamley]

Wouldnt touch EV, to many issues with getting parts from China or repairs from qualified people. They are quiet and quick though.

[Bill14564]

My son did on his "Star" brand cart and because of the extra weight experienced a slower drive speed.
There's more modification than just replacing the lead acid batteries with lithium.

Jury is still out on tire wear.

EDIT: Redundant post, see post #91

[Vermilion Villager]

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.

We like that you are never tethered to the life of ,”Did I plug the cart in?” “I wonder if the batteries are still good?”…….
I checked online and the price you were quoting is for a "rebuilt" engine with a core exchange… Not a factory new engine. I honestly do not know if you could even get a brand new factory engine.
The question for resale would be you would now have to disclose that the engine is "rebuilt". I think that would be detrimental to the value just like it would be in an automobile.

[Bill14564]

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.



It's hard to find a price for a replacement battery for a lithium golf cart. Some reviews say the lithium cart costs $1,900 more than a lead acid cart so let's say $2,000 for a replacement battery. Obviously, $2,000 is more than $1,300 but that would be for a new battery compared with a rebuilt engine and it could take as little as a few hours in the shop rather than a few days. To me, that compares well.

One possible reason why it's difficult to find a price is there have been few, if any, lithium battery replacements purchased. EZGo came out with their lithium model in 2017. With an eight year warranty, the battery in every EZGo lithium cart sold should still be under warranty. Someone claimed Yamaha has a 20 year warranty on their engine - I wonder what exactly that covers.

You've never heard of someone's gas engine going bad? You only need to spend a little while on these pages to find reports of recent clutch problems, loss of engine power, or battery problems with gas carts. I haven't seen anyone yet report a problem with their battery or motor on a lithium cart.

[Nancy@Pinellas]

We’ve had our gas powered for ten years. It serves us well with only yearly maintenance. 🤞🏼No problems yet.

[golfing eagles]

Here is the lithium battery cart information from Yamaha:

"The Yamaha Drive 2 PowerTech Li golf car, powered by lithium iron phosphate batteries, offers an impressive range for your golfing adventures. Here are the key details:

Driving Range: On a flat track, the Yamaha PowerTech Li can cover approximately 38 miles on a single charge.

Battery Capacity: The lithium iron phosphate batteries have a capacity of 105 amp hours per charge, ensuring you spend more time on the course than with other battery types.

Battery Lifespan: These batteries are designed to last up to 8 years, providing reliable power throughout their lifespan.

Safety and Efficiency: Lithium-ion technology offers rapid acceleration, a higher top speed, and charging times that are 1.8 times faster compared to lead-acid batteries. Additionally, the Yamaha PowerTech Li is 25% lighter, contributing to increased range."

I'm sorry, but 38 miles from a brand new electric cart on flat ground just doesn't do it in The Villages. Uphill????? 7 year old batteries???? No thank you.

[Bill14564]

Here is the lithium battery cart information from Yamaha:

"The Yamaha Drive 2 PowerTech Li golf car, powered by lithium iron phosphate batteries, offers an impressive range for your golfing adventures. Here are the key details:

Driving Range: On a flat track, the Yamaha PowerTech Li can cover approximately 38 miles on a single charge.

Battery Capacity: The lithium iron phosphate batteries have a capacity of 105 amp hours per charge, ensuring you spend more time on the course than with other battery types.

Battery Lifespan: These batteries are designed to last up to 8 years, providing reliable power throughout their lifespan.

Safety and Efficiency: Lithium-ion technology offers rapid acceleration, a higher top speed, and charging times that are 1.8 times faster compared to lead-acid batteries. Additionally, the Yamaha PowerTech Li is 25% lighter, contributing to increased range."

I'm sorry, but 38 miles from a brand new electric cart on flat ground just doesn't do it in The Villages. Uphill????? 7 year old batteries???? No thank you.

Don't know about Yamahas, haven't talked to anyone with a Yamaha lithium.

EZGo Advertised: 60 miles on single charge, 8 year warranty
EZGo Experience (after just one year): 45 miles of Villages driving with 1/4 charge remaining according to the gauge

[mrf0151]

With lead acid batteries your range starts to drop off after 2-3 years. That is the sign that you will need to replace batteries soon.
What happens to lithium batteries when you get to around 4-5 years of battery age? Does the range also start to drop off? What warning signs does one get with a lithium battery that it needs replacement?

[golfing eagles]

Don't know about Yamahas, haven't talked to anyone with a Yamaha lithium.

EZGo Advertised: 60 miles on single charge, 8 year warranty
EZGo Experienced: 45 miles of Villages driving with 1/4 charge remaining according to the gauge

Better. Like I said, get it to a reliable 80 miles or so without significant drop off with age and I'm in. But I'll probably be dead by then.

[Blackie]

Here it is, designed specially for you.

[BrianL99]

With lead acid batteries your range starts to drop off after 2-3 years. That is the sign that you will need to replace batteries soon.
What happens to lithium batteries when you get to around 4-5 years of battery age? Does the range also start to drop off? What warning signs does one get with a lithium battery that it needs replacement?

The life expectancy of most Lithium batteries in golf carts, is expected to be 8 -10 years. Given that no one has had one for 8 -10 years yet, I guess that's just an estimate. They could last longer.

Just like your cell phone, the amount of charge available will decrease with age.

Based on my experience, a 105 amp in your golf cart, you'll have about a 15-20 mile range, depending on speed & conditions.

150 amp is about 25-30 miles.

210 amp is about 40-50 miles.

I could probably get 60 out of my 210 amp, but I'd have to really be nursing it, the entire trip ... & hope it was downhill.

As long as your Lithium battery is charged (operational) you'll be getting 100% power from it, but at some point, you won't get power for the same length of time. At least that's how I understand it.

[TomSpasm]

I've been here 12 years, I have yet to ride in a gas cart, new or used, that I would trade my 2008 Club Car DS electric cart with eight 6-volt batteries for. Rent a newer electric cart for a month, then rent a gas cart. In my opinion, if you do that, you'll buy electric.

[Lottoguy]

Buy a Yamaha gas years 2017-2019. Think about a four seater since you'll have visitors. These carts are easy to maintain and easy to repair when needed. Get the 10 inch tires too.

[UpNorth]

Here is the lithium battery cart information from Yamaha:

"The Yamaha Drive 2 PowerTech Li golf car, powered by lithium iron phosphate batteries, offers an impressive range for your golfing adventures. Here are the key details:

Driving Range: On a flat track, the Yamaha PowerTech Li can cover approximately 38 miles on a single charge.

Battery Capacity: The lithium iron phosphate batteries have a capacity of 105 amp hours per charge, ensuring you spend more time on the course than with other battery types.

Battery Lifespan: These batteries are designed to last up to 8 years, providing reliable power throughout their lifespan.

Safety and Efficiency: Lithium-ion technology offers rapid acceleration, a higher top speed, and charging times that are 1.8 times faster compared to lead-acid batteries. Additionally, the Yamaha PowerTech Li is 25% lighter, contributing to increased range."

I'm sorry, but 38 miles from a brand new electric cart on flat ground just doesn't do it in The Villages. Uphill????? 7 year old batteries???? No thank you.

Lame effort by Yamaha. They should stick to making gas carts. I suspect that their current lithium effort is targeted at golf course fleets, where they could be leased cheaply and only need to make it around 18 holes twice a day. No competition to Star or EZ-Go lithium carts, which have more range than most people need.

[sowilts]

Trying to understand whether it makes sense to start out my village journey with a new or used Golf cart, electric or gas? My sense tells me to buy used until I have a better sense of what I will need it for, other than golf and the occasional leisurely rides to the town squares. I am not retired yet so will probably drive to stores if it’s faster. It seems like electric carts would depreciate faster given the steady decline of the battery.

If I go with a gas cart, how many miles do these things run on average before repairs become more frequent? Would like a general idea of when to buy and sell, to minimize depreciation and breakdowns. Looking for the proverbial Goldilocks zone.

Based on my recent visit, Yamaha seems like the most popular gas power cart in the Villages??

I am interested in all opinions. I have no basis for making a decision yet. Thanks in advanced.
Golf courses have gas and Southern Oaks has EZGO Lithium. Test them out and it’s your decision. There are plenty of opinions; yours is the only one to be happy with. Good luck, I see plenty of both on the cart paths.

[Laker14]

My son did on his "Star" brand cart and because of the extra weight experienced a slower drive speed.
There's more modification than just replacing the lead acid batteries with lithium.

Jury is still out on tire wear.

conversion from LA to Lithium saves weight, generally.
Quite a bit.

[tophcfa]

Same reason we see so many gasoline powered carts, gussied up to be reminiscent of the 1930's. How many Villagers were even around in the 30's?

... or the seeming need of every band that shows up at the squares, to play Mustang Sally.

Mustang Sally? I prefer golf cart Sally, all you want to do is ride along Sally, ride along Sally ride.

[Dusty_Star]

Mustang Sally? I prefer golf cart Sally, all you want to do is ride along Sally, ride along Sally ride.

I'll chime in with the chorus:

Ride, Sally, ride

Ride, Sally, ride

:MOJE_whot: That was fun!

[Robnlaura]

I would order a golf cart from China $3800 free shipping

New Fashion Factory Price 4 6 Seats Luxury Electric Golf Carts for Sale With 72V lithium battery 4 Seater Electric Golf Cart some are even cheaper. Exactly where these local companies buy from and markup like crazy

[Normal]

Basic economics, you WILL need to replace your batteries once in a while, you may need to replace your engine. There isn’t an absolute unless you purchase the electric cart. Gas therefore would be a better return on investment.

[Bill14564]

Basic economics, you WILL need to replace your batteries once in a while, you may need to replace your engine. There isn’t an absolute unless you purchase the electric cart. Gas therefore would be a better return on investment.

What makes you believe you WILL need to replace Li batteries? Have you done it?

I MAY need to replace batteries in 10-12 years if I still own the cart. I'm not that sure that I won't want to upgrade by that time.

And if it turns out that I do need to replace the batteries, I'll take the $1,000 I saved on fuel plus whatever I saved on maintenance and buy a battery that will give me twice the range I have now. (though it's far more likely I'll upgrade)

[kkingston57]

I was told that the Yamaha gas cart was designed to play 36 holes of golf per day, 7 days a week, for 20 years without a major repair. I bought one for me and one for my wife. No regrets. We drive them almost 10,000 miles per year.

10,000 miles a year on a golf cart. Must love driving it. If you averaged 15 miles an hour that would be a 666 hours or about 13 hours a week.

[kkingston57]

It’s about 1300 dollars to put a new engine in your Yamaha quiet tech. 750 if you are so inclined to do it yourself. You may never have to do that though. The engines are quite dependable. I’ve never heard of someone’s going bad.

Also, remember you are protecting the environment by not adding large amounts of lithium waste from multiple battery replacements to the toxic landfills.

We like that you are never tethered to the life of ,”Did I plug the cart in?” “I wonder if the batteries are still good?”…….

Agree but hate the smell of the gas cart, especially in the tunnels

[kkingston57]

That's a good trick, considering Lithium batteries weigh significantly less than comparable Lead-Acid batteries.

The Complete Guide to Lithium vs Lead Acid Batteries - Power Sonic (https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries/)

The Complete Guide to Lithium vs Lead Acid Batteries - Power Sonic (https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries/)

The Truth About Lead-Acid Vs. Lithium-Ion Batteries In RVs (https://battlebornbatteries.com/lead-acid-vs-lithium-ion-batteries/)

Lithium Ion VS Lead Acid Battery- 11 Key Differences Explained (https://www.etechnophiles.com/lithium-ion-vs-lead-acid-battery/)

Lead-Acid vs. Lithium Batteries: Which is Better? - Battery Skills (https://www.batteryskills.com/lead-acid-vs-lithium-batteries-which-is-better/)

Had the same thought. Something wrong IF a Lithium cart is slower than a lead acid

[kkingston57]

Buy a Yamaha gas years 2017-2019. Think about a four seater since you'll have visitors. These carts are easy to maintain and easy to repair when needed. Get the 10 inch tires too.

Personally, I would not ride in a rear facing golf cart and would not expect anyone else to sit in those seats. So happy I did not buy one

[MrChip72]

Personally, I would not ride in a rear facing golf cart and would not expect anyone else to sit in those seats. So happy I did not buy one

Why not? Maybe you've only ridden in the cheaper versions. We got a 2 to 2+2 conversion but we chose a "luxury" package. We love ours. I enjoy riding in the rear facing seats.

[Bilyclub]

Mustang Sally has been slowly disappearing since covid. Most of the groups have Tennessee Whiskey on their list.

[PoolBrews]

The most dependable , maintenance free, bulletproof carts you can get hands down are the mid 2013 through 2016 gas Yamaha EFI carts. The carburetor Yamaha’s before then are good, but not as maintenance free. In 2017, Yamaha introduced the Quiet Tech, which has the rear independent suspension and is quieter, but has proven to be less dependable. Older electric carts that aren’t lithium don’t hold their value well at all, and for good reason. The jury is still out on how well the newer lithium electric carts will hold their value. We use a very good golf cart mechanic, who works on carts all day long six days per week, who told me to never sell our ultra dependable 2014 Yamaha EFI.

Of course your mechanic would tell you to never sell your older gas cart. That's how he makes his living. I had a Yamaha Drive 2 for 5 years. Every year there was something getting worked on or replaced. I now have an Evolution D5 lithium cart. Not much to do on these carts other than grease the wheel bearings once a year.

[biker1]

On the other hand, I have a 2014 Yamaha EFI with 2000 hours and 37K miles and it has only needed normal maintenance, which does not include greasing wheel bearings since they are sealed.

Of course your mechanic would tell you to never sell your older gas cart. That's how he makes his living. I had a Yamaha Drive 2 for 5 years. Every year there was something getting worked on or replaced. I now have an Evolution D5 lithium cart. Not much to do on these carts other than grease the wheel bearings once a year.