Is Dabney too isolated now and long term ?

[MrFitness]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

[Laker14]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

Have you visited TV before?
If not, you would be doing yourself a favor to make a few visits and spend some time here before you take the plunge.

What will you be driving north for? If it's for golf, then you really need to consider some other areas. I'm in Poinciana, a Village that was built about 18 years ago, and is about as central to all of the current championship courses as you can get. I made the drive by golf cart down to Southern Oaks yesterday. That's about 30-35 minutes by golf cart. Lopez, in the opposite direction, is about the same. That's as long as I want to sit in a golf cart before I play golf. And I wouldn't want to have to do that every time I play golf. Most are 15-20 minutes, some are as close as 5 or 10.

The concept of TV, when they were building north of 44, and even more so north of 466A is that everything would be within a comfortable cart ride. Executive golf, Championship Golf, squares, rec centers, pools...and not just one, but multiple choices of all of the above.

That isn't possible right now, and won't be for a long time, if it ever is, with the way things are developing as TV spreads southward. So if that's what you want, you won't get it. If you want something else, it may work for you.
You really need to see it all to make a good decision.

[TCRSO]

Dabney is in Lake County, Moultrie is in Sumter County. Lake County has a higher interest rate on the bond and higher taxes.

[Marathon Man]

I have several friends who have moved to that area of TV. The don't complain about the distance to anything. You mentioned the drive north and wonder if it gets old. I live south of 44. I rarely drive north any further than 466A, and not very often to there. So no, it does not get old.

[Laker14]

I have several friends who have moved to that area of TV. The don't complain about the distance to anything. You mentioned the drive north and wonder if it gets old. I live south of 44. I rarely drive north any further than 466A, and not very often to there. So no, it does not get old.

are you a golfer?

[frayedends]

I’m in Lake Denham. Highway noise is loud depending on weather. Sawgrass Grove is only 10 minutes by cart. Brownwood will be about 35 minutes by cart from Dabney (30 for me). Eastport is only 20 minutes by cart over the Bexley bridge. If they do a cart path and 470 it will be shorter. There is also land right across 470 from Dabney that is owned by the Villages and will likely be commercial space according to. Wingnut video. I think it was video 133 but he also updated that video and I don’t recall it mentioned in the update.

[MrFitness]

Thanks. Yes, I did a lifestyle visit in 2022 near Brownwod and loved everything about it. And golf is part of my reason, but I will embrace many activities. I don't think a 20 minute cart ride will bother me, but 30+ may. On the flip, I routinely drive 40+ minutes to play golf up here.

Have you visited TV before?
If not, you would be doing yourself a favor to make a few visits and spend some time here before you take the plunge.

What will you be driving north for? If it's for golf, then you really need to consider some other areas. I'm in Poinciana, a Village that was built about 18 years ago, and is about as central to all of the current championship courses as you can get. I made the drive by golf cart down to Southern Oaks yesterday. That's about 30-35 minutes by golf cart. Lopez, in the opposite direction, is about the same. That's as long as I want to sit in a golf cart before I play golf. And I wouldn't want to have to do that every time I play golf. Most are 15-20 minutes, some are as close as 5 or 10.

The concept of TV, when they were building north of 44, and even more so north of 466A is that everything would be within a comfortable cart ride. Executive golf, Championship Golf, squares, rec centers, pools...and not just one, but multiple choices of all of the above.

That isn't possible right now, and won't be for a long time, if it ever is, with the way things are developing as TV spreads southward. So if that's what you want, you won't get it. If you want something else, it may work for you.
You really need to see it all to make a good decision.

[MrFitness]

Dabney is in Lake County, Moultrie is in Sumter County. Lake County has a higher interest rate on the bond and higher taxes.

True, but the bond in Dabney is $7k less than Moultrie. Not sure what the tax diff is but will find out during my visit.

[MrFitness]

Thanks. That is good to hear.

[MrFitness]

are you a golfer?

Yes

[Laker14]

Yes

If you are a golfer and seldom go north of 466A there are a lot of courses you don't play, including 7 of the championship courses (8 if you count Orange Blossom which is a great layout IMO, but we don't get there much, too remote even for us north of 466A). Which is fine if that's fine with you.

I'm suggesting that anyone who plans on golf in TV being central to their lifestyle here spend some time figuring out if that's going to work for them.

[Laker14]

Thanks. Yes, I did a lifestyle visit in 2022 near Brownwod and loved everything about it. And golf is part of my reason, but I will embrace many activities. I don't think a 20 minute cart ride will bother me, but 30+ may. On the flip, I routinely drive 40+ minutes to play golf up here.

But is that why you are moving to TV, so you can drive 40 minutes to play golf? If you are OK with that, fine.
With the current layout, that's what you will often face if you settle down in the newest, most southerly villages.

[MrFitness]

But is that why you are moving to TV, so you can drive 40 minutes to play golf? If you are OK with that, fine.
With the current layout, that's what you will often face if you settle down in the newest, most southerly villages.

Thanks for your responses. And no, playing golf 40 minutes away is not why I'm moving to TV. I won't bore you with all of the reasons, but I would play golf a couple times a week if I lived here. I probably would play the courses near me most often.

My bigger concern is that new amenities will be built south as the years go by. From Dabney, by cart, that is a 15 minute trek north added to every trip. I can mitigate that by spending more and purchasing in Moultrie Creek or waiting for future villages. But I think every village I wait on will come with an incremental price increase and decrease time here.

[Dusty_Star]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.
For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?
I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

My question would be: do you want a brand new house? If you were willing to consider a pre-owned house, you could possibly get a patio villa in an established neighborhood where you would know where all of the amenities, shopping, entertainment, Dr's offices, etc. already exist, in some cases for close to the same price as new houses. Some houses have the bond paid off or the bond is small compared to new houses. Some houses have made enhancements you might like, & some might have landscaping you might like. Some have had upgrades done recently like new roofs or new HVAC. However, if you want new, then the newly being developed areas are your choice, but none of us will be able to predict the future.

[Rainger99]

Thanks for your responses. And no, playing golf 40 minutes away is not why I'm moving to TV. I won't bore you with all of the reasons, but I would play golf a couple times a week if I lived here. I probably would play the courses near me most often.

My bigger concern is that new amenities will be built south as the years go by. From Dabney, by cart, that is a 15 minute trek north added to every trip. I can mitigate that by spending more and purchasing in Moultrie Creek or waiting for future villages. But I think every village I wait on will come with an incremental price increase and decrease time here.

If you are in the southern end of Dabney, by golf cart, it is about 20 minutes to Sawgrass and about 40 minutes to Brownwood. Eastport should be about 30-35 minutes.

If you visit, be sure to take a golf cart ride from Dabney and do a few test drives - Eastport, Sawgrass, Brownwood, etc. and find out what you think of it. And then ask yourself if you want to do this every time you play golf or visit a town square or entertainment square (Sawgrass). Doing it once is ok - doing it every time gets old.

However, it will take several years for Eastport to be developed. As of now, there is no commercial space open in Eastport. The good news is that they plan on building a lot of courses in Eastport - at least four executive and possibly six. I have a map showing Beautyberry, Bellaire, Honeysuckle, and Laurel Oak and I think I saw another map showing a couple more that are "planned." I think one of the executives may open this year.

If I were moving here and had a choice of Dabney and Eastport, if I could afford it, I would move to the Eastport area instead of Dabney. You will be close to a town square and lots of golf and recreation. I can't see Dabney ever being close to anything - except easy access to the Turnpike.

There are new homes in Eastport under $300,000. I would think that they would have a much better chance of appreciating in value based on location. Houses bought near Lake Sumter have really gone up in price.

This is a map of the Villages. The Villages recently bought some land on the NE side of the Turnpike just south of 470 and Dabney . If they put a golf course and commercial space in this area, it would be great. Unfortunately, they never tell us their plans which makes it difficult to know if you are buying in a good area.

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[MrFitness]

My question would be: do you want a brand new house? If you were willing to consider a pre-owned house, you could possibly get a patio villa in an established neighborhood where you would know where all of the amenities, shopping, entertainment, Dr's offices, etc. already exist, in some cases for close to the same price as new houses. Some houses have the bond paid off or the bond is small compared to new houses. Some houses have made enhancements you might like, & some might have landscaping you might like. Some have had upgrades done recently like new roofs or new HVAC. However, if you want new, then the newly being developed areas are your choice, but none of us will be able to predict the future.

I want new. I've always been happier with my new purchases. And you are right, the question I'm posing is probably not fair as it is all speculation. I guess I threw it out there hoping for responses that help me decide between the choices in front of me. It would also be a no brainer for me if someone had inside info that they are definitely going to build another bridge across the turnpike further south in the future.

The responses have already helped provide some clarity and a couple more things to investigate. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

[MrFitness]

If you are in the southern end of Dabney, by golf cart, it is about 20 minutes to Sawgrass and about 40 minutes to Brownwood. Eastport should be about 30-35 minutes.

If you visit, be sure to take a golf cart ride from Dabney and do a few test drives - Eastport, Sawgrass, Brownwood, etc. and find out what you think of it. And then ask yourself if you want to do this every time you play golf or visit a town square or entertainment square (Sawgrass). Doing it once is ok - doing it every time gets old.

However, it will take several years for Eastport to be developed. As of now, there is no commercial space open in Eastport. The good news is that they plan on building a lot of courses in Eastport - at least four executive and possibly six. I have a map showing Beautyberry, Bellaire, Honeysuckle, and Laurel Oak and I think I saw another map showing a couple more that are "planned." I think one of the executives may open this year.

If I were moving here and had a choice of Dabney and Eastport, if I could afford it, I would move to the Eastport area instead of Dabney. You will be close to a town square and lots of golf and recreation. I can't see Dabney ever being close to anything - except easy access to the Turnpike.

There are new homes in Eastport under $300,000. I would think that they would have a much better chance of appreciating in value based on location. Houses bought near Lake Sumter have really gone up in price.

This is a map of the Villages. The Villages recently bought some land on the NE side of the Turnpike just south of 470 and Dabney . If they put a golf course and commercial space in this area, it would be great. Unfortunately, they never tell us their plans which makes it difficult to know if you are buying in a good area.

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Thanks much!

[frayedends]

Those estimates are high. We are 5 minutes south to 470 from Lake Denham by cart and 10 minutes to Sawgrass. So 15 minutes tops to Sawgrass by cart and 23 to Eastport (it takes us 17 min to go to Eastport).

I thought I heard 11 golf courses are being build below the Bexley Bridge. I could be wrong but a couple look let me it won’t take long to open.

[blueash]

Depending on your financial situation, hopefully you are not just squeaking by with your income/cost projections... I would consider my location way ahead of saving a few thousand dollars. Over the ten years you will spend in a home the 30K dollar difference works out to less than the cost of the roof you will need to replace when you sell.

[Normal]

If Lake County permits the altering of 470 with roundabouts, then access to the new country club idea will be realized and development might step up? For sure commercial is ready to go, but the developer has been known to change things up even after other decisions were announced. The Villages owns down to Honeycutt.

[Al2014]

Depending on your financial situation, hopefully you are not just squeaking by with your income/cost projections... I would consider my location way ahead of saving a few thousand dollars. Over the ten years you will spend in a home the 30K dollar difference works out to less than the cost of the roof you will need to replace when you sell.
Some folks prefer being off the main road. As stated 30k should not be the highest priority. A lifestyle visit for several days will help. What do you want to be close to outside the bubble, Orlando or Tampa airport, I-75 north or south, Florida turnpike, or within a cart drive of your favorite entity inside the bubble? TV is 20 miles north to south and growing south and 4-7 miles east to west with virtually no expansion. What works for you may not work for the next guy. TV has what it has. Where will it fit for you is up to your wants and needs. My preference as a renter for 10 years is between 466 and 466a.

[callalily]

I live in Lake Denham. I previously lived close to Sawgrass Grove. The area was too busy for me. I now live in a much quieter area. There are plenty of stores and restaurants on 27 which is only about a 6 minute drive. I'm only about 30 minutes to the Costco or Target in Clermont. I love the walking trails close to my house. The village I was in before had walking trails, but my house was nowhere close to them. The only thing that I'm missing close by is a Starbucks.

I looked at Moultrie Creek. The proximity to the high school takes it off my list. When the high school was on 466, the traffic was horrendous.

[Altavia]

I want new. I've always been happier with my new purchases. And you are right, the question I'm posing is probably not fair as it is all speculation. I guess I threw it out there hoping for responses that help me decide between the choices in front of me. It would also be a no brainer for me if someone had inside info that they are definitely going to build another bridge across the turnpike further south in the future.


The responses have already helped provide some clarity and a couple more things to investigate. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

It's unlikely a Turnpike bridge will happen until they start expanding the Turnpike to three lanes. Last I looked that was still on the to be planned list.

I know you want new (we're there same...), but you can't customize the builds today and the selection/quality of materials has shifted to lowest cost/builder grade. Everyone describes design now days as very disappointing.

You might want to take a look at pre-owned built these past 3-4 years South off the Turnpike for almost new, higher quality homes as a compromise.

Easy access to Brownwood, Sawgrass and Eastport.

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

I live in Lake Denham. I previously lived close to Sawgrass Grove. The area was too busy for me. I now live in a much quieter area. There are plenty of stores and restaurants on 27 which is only about a 6 minute drive. I'm only about 30 minutes to the Costco or Target in Clermont. I love the walking trails close to my house. The village I was in before had walking trails, but my house was nowhere close to them. The only thing that I'm missing close by is a Starbucks.

I looked at Moultrie Creek. The proximity to the high school takes it off my list. When the high school was on 466, the traffic was horrendous.

I second what Lily said. The trails here in Lake Denham are fabulous and you'll bust out 10 flat miles on a bike before your butt hurts...lol. I'd like to present a different take on this question. We looked all over TV...top to bottom....and met some genuinely nice folks along the way. Bid on a house on Palmer Legends but they wanted 700k and realistically it needed a 250k gut and rehab. New house started to look better. But here's a very main ingredient in our decisions....the nice folks. After a career of working in hospitals we didn't want to be the neighborhood first responders because everyone around us is older, and we wanted a neighborhood where garage parties and group activities are definitely going to happen after 2 PM. Golf addiction is not everyone's focus. There are posts that read as.... why else would anyone move to TV?. It's actually individualized and not always centered around golf. Some may say that the golf centric north is pretty to look at but it's terribly overcrowded with the most aged population in TV:22yikes:

[gatorbill1]

Look at resales between 466 and 44 before you jump. Might be more convenient for things you do and places you shop

[MrChip72]

I want new. I've always been happier with my new purchases. And you are right, the question I'm posing is probably not fair as it is all speculation. I guess I threw it out there hoping for responses that help me decide between the choices in front of me. It would also be a no brainer for me if someone had inside info that they are definitely going to build another bridge across the turnpike further south in the future.

I would go with Moultrie Creek over Dabney for sure. You're going to be much more central to other neighborhoods and closer to Magnolia Plaza and the 4 golf courses south of Warm Springs.

I would say there's basically zero chance they would add a third bridge over the turnpike. There's little benefit to the developer in doing so, especially for the cost that would be involved. The two current turnpike bridges are reasonably sufficient in providing good connections between different Villages and amenities.

[Laker14]

I second what Lily said. The trails here in Lake Denham are fabulous and you'll bust out 10 flat miles on a bike before your butt hurts...lol. I'd like to present a different take on this question. We looked all over TV...top to bottom....and met some genuinely nice folks along the way. Bid on a house on Palmer Legends but they wanted 700k and realistically it needed a 250k gut and rehab. New house started to look better. But here's a very main ingredient in our decisions....the nice folks. After a career of working in hospitals we didn't want to be the neighborhood first responders because everyone around us is older, and we wanted a neighborhood where garage parties and group activities are definitely going to happen after 2 PM. Golf addiction is not everyone's focus. There are posts that read as.... why else would anyone move to TV?. It's actually individualized and not always centered around golf. Some may say that the golf centric north is pretty to look at but it's terribly overcrowded with the most aged population in TV:22yikes:

I'm not suggesting that everyone moves to TV with the primary objective of accessibility to golf. I think some do, and I think the way TV markets itself suggests that no matter where you are you will have it. That's misleading.
Since the OP stated a concern about driving north, I was pointing out that if golf is a main reason for coming to TV, and why he or she would be driving north, it would be wise to know and experience the travel to the courses.

[Randall55]

I second what Lily said. The trails here in Lake Denham are fabulous and you'll bust out 10 flat miles on a bike before your butt hurts...lol. I'd like to present a different take on this question. We looked all over TV...top to bottom....and met some genuinely nice folks along the way. Bid on a house on Palmer Legends but they wanted 700k and realistically it needed a 250k gut and rehab. New house started to look better. But here's a very main ingredient in our decisions....the nice folks. After a career of working in hospitals we didn't want to be the neighborhood first responders because everyone around us is older, and we wanted a neighborhood where garage parties and group activities are definitely going to happen after 2 PM. Golf addiction is not everyone's focus. There are posts that read as.... why else would anyone move to TV?. It's actually individualized and not always centered around golf. Some may say that the golf centric north is pretty to look at but it's terribly overcrowded with the most aged population in TV:22yikes:Quite a bit of assumptions in this post. Neighborhoods vote on when they would like to have driveway parties. The reason some are at 2:00 is because the neighbors are close knit. They golf, play cards, exercise, and more TOGETHER. 2:00 is a great time to have lunch TOGETHER after enjoying their favorite activities. Some activities go into the night but usually couples want to have a nice dinner alone and enjoy US time. US time gets easily lost if you are not careful. Evening hours are a perfect time to schedule that in.

Golf is crowded because older folks? Not even going to comment. You obviously do not golf.

You were in healthcare and are unaware that people do not die or become extremely ill in chronological order? A sixty something yr old has as much chance of suffering a heart attack or stroke as an eighty something. Some people are predisposed of dying or suffering illness at an early age. Others live into their nineties without many health issues. Unfortunately, you will witness this. Be prepared to say a final goodbye to many you meet here. None of us know WHEN this will happen. Most of the time, It catches us by surprise.

[Randall55]

I want new. I've always been happier with my new purchases. And you are right, the question I'm posing is probably not fair as it is all speculation. I guess I threw it out there hoping for responses that help me decide between the choices in front of me. It would also be a no brainer for me if someone had inside info that they are definitely going to build another bridge across the turnpike further south in the future.

The responses have already helped provide some clarity and a couple more things to investigate. Thanks for taking the time to respond.If your gut is telling you something, listen to it! The developer has enough land to build for MANY MORE YEARS. In 6 months, new villages will become available. These may provide what you are looking for. Until then, JUST WAIT. It is obvious Dabney and Denham is not a perfect fit for you. Why settle?

[asianthree]

Quite a bit of assumptions in this post. Neighborhoods vote on when they would like to have driveway parties. The reason some are at 2:00 is because the neighbors are close knit. They golf, play cards, exercise, and more TOGETHER. 2:00 is a great time to have lunch TOGETHER after enjoying their favorite activities. Some activities go into the night but usually couples want to have a nice dinner alone and enjoy US time. US time gets easily lost if you are not careful. Evening hours are a perfect time to schedule that in.

Golf is crowded because older folks? Not even going to comment. You obviously do not golf.

You were in healthcare and are unaware that people do not die or become extremely ill in chronological order? A sixty something yr old has as much chance of suffering a heart attack or stroke as an eighty something. Some people are predisposed of dying or suffering illness at an early age. Others live into their nineties without many health issues. Unfortunately, you will witness this. Be prepared to say a final goodbye to many you meet here. None of us know WHEN this will happen. Most of the time, It catches us by surprise.

We moved from an established village where 95% were original owners. Every gathering was between 1&3pm, only once a month. Anything outside once a month was frowned upon. Golf group of 11 only played once a week between 9-10a, cause nap was important. Not that we don’t love parental units, but we stopped wanting to live with or near them at college age.

As many as 4 times a week bus with lights visited our neighborhood. So yes you get higher percentage of AED calls or AL move, which ends up house for sale. Not that dying or dead affects us like others, both of us were trauma 24/7 it was everyday event.

Younger moves in, but it’s never your house, it’s always ( “you live in _______dead person’s house, I miss them)”. We do miss the 3 WW vets, they are fascinating, but also depressing because they were so lonely.

South of 44 we are in the upper 20% of age, some in their 40-50s. Big change, in gatherings, men’s and women groups weekly, golf groups 5 days at any time with any course of 100 plus golfers.

As for parties with entertainment sometime food trucks or elaborate Bring your own dish, sometimes it’s weekly, bring a chair, drinks, and throw money in bucket for entertainment. No voting it’s a staple for neighbors to enjoy. Posted on site

Not sure how long we will stay in this house, but number 5 is always a possibility. We found for US new far outweighs one preowned

[LoisR]

Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north.

[Marathon Man]

Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north.

OP has stated that they want new construction. So where would that be in the north??

[Laker14]

Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north.

or east, to Leesburg.

I don't live in those parts, but from what I can tell, golf is the only "amenity" the OP would need to drive north for.

Am I mistaken?

[Laker14]

I don't think this has been mentioned, but if pickleball is your game, and you are looking for "younger" (less than 60-65?) competition, you'll find more of that as you head south. Also, if you are interested in leagues, like the developing DUPR "Vision for Division" league, those venues are primarily at Homestead and Franklin, so far. I suspect that is because the newer facilities aren't teaming with leagues and private groups yet, and that's where the availability is for time slots.

As an "old timer" (70) I played a couple of seasons and we kept getting moved farther south, and the competition keeps getting younger, quicker, and better. I know a few really good players who relocated southward specifically to be closer to the better, younger competition.

[JanetH]

We bought a one year old house in Chitty chatty. Couldn’t tell
It wasn’t new and all the rock bed rock front and back was done along with a courtyard villa
Having 3 car garage and block fence extending across the entire rear . I would look at almost new homes too . May not work but rock work alone I have heard can be 20k
Just give certain newish areas you like a chance before discounting them
Maybe . Just a thought !

[rabranca@aol.com]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?


Take a look at my patio villa. I plan to sell it and I am flexible on timing. Village of Richmond, 5min cart ride to Brownwood Paddock Square. Great Location.

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[margaretmattson]

OP has stated that they want new construction. So where would that be in the north??Northernmost Section.Some homes built between 2016-2019. New first responders rec center. Close to many golf courses, shopping, restaurants, and hospitals.They are building new courtyard villas where the demolished country club stood. Another great area to live in if you choose the North. Areas between the 66's are relatively new and offer tremendous golf opportunities as well as commercial. EVERY HOME in the North is not 20 plus years old.

[MrFitness]

I don't think this has been mentioned, but if pickleball is your game, and you are looking for "younger" (less than 60-65?) competition, you'll find more of that as you head south. Also, if you are interested in leagues, like the developing DUPR "Vision for Division" league, those venues are primarily at Homestead and Franklin, so far. I suspect that is because the newer facilities aren't teaming with leagues and private groups yet, and that's where the availability is for time slots.

As an "old timer" (70) I played a couple of seasons and we kept getting moved farther south, and the competition keeps getting younger, quicker, and better. I know a few really good players who relocated southward specifically to be closer to the better, younger competition.

Pickleball is a big part of my planned activities. I'm 59, a decent level, but I play for fun and to meet people. I prefer the "show up and play when you want" over league play. I'm sure I'll be able to find what I want down there. I had no problem during my visit.

[mwpoet]

Thanks. That is good to hear.

I’ve lived everywhere in the Villages and I think Fenney is too far from everything. I’ve been driving 300 miles a week. I am moving to Duval, closer to shopping, friends, pools, multiple golf courses. I can’t wait!!

[Randall55]

I’ve lived everywhere in the Villages and I think Fenney is too far from everything. I’ve been driving 300 miles a week. I am moving to Duval, closer to shopping, friends, pools, multiple golf courses. I can’t wait!!I second that! We lived in Fenney, then Hawkins. Couldn't wait to return to the north near Lopez. I got tired of spending most of my day driving! Now, everything I need is minutes away.

[revfiddle]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

The Turnpike entrance and points south are closer. Publix and Winn-Dixie are 3 miles away on route 27. There’s also a number of restaurants, Ace Hardware, Walgreens and other businesses at the corner of US 27 and route 38.

[PJfromCincy]

You should consider the new area of Richmond just south of Brownwood that is being developed. Supposed to have courtyard villas. That is the PERFECT location. They will sell very FAST.

[schrdr]

Anyone would be crazy to buy way down there with lack of amenities, shopping and restaurants. Look at preowned north of 44. Better location, value and a lot less bond.

[SusanStCatherine]

Moultrie Creek is right across from the high school stadium - lights, noise, traffic. It is not very close to other established age restricted villages. If you have grandkids in Middleton you would be very close and that would be good. I do not know what other villages are opening up except in the Richmond area.
As for new construction - you cannot customize very much, but you may be able to pick a good lot. Many of the materials they used on our custom home in 2021 were below builder grade and installed by barely skilled labor. You do not know how your house will turn out. I have seen new construction spec houses that turned out much better. Good luck!
There actually exists homes that are several years old that have truly never been lived in or even some that say they have never been lived in even though they were rented out a bit.
Whatever you get, make sure you hire an excellent home inspector or maybe even two. If purchasing new, have one within first six days of closing. Have another at 10 or 11 months.

[coffeebean]

I have several friends who have moved to that area of TV. The don't complain about the distance to anything. You mentioned the drive north and wonder if it gets old. I live south of 44. I rarely drive north any further than 466A, and not very often to there. So no, it does not get old.

Do you go shopping or patronize restaurants on the 441/27 corridor? That is a haul from south of 44. I would not want to be that far from that corridor of retail and restaurants. But......that is just me.

[vintageogauge]

Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north.

Dabney will be very near to the new hospital, lots of retail space down there that will be built in the near future, medical facilities are being built all over the place south of 44, 3 new championship courses near Dabney, and you are near to Leesburg for all of their shopping and restaurants, also much, much closer to Orlando and Tampa via the Turnpike and I-75 than areas up north.

[Karmanng]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?



I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?


Buy where you like it but for me? Well I am NEVER getting a golf car and theres NO LAW saying that you need to have one there. Even thou they claim its fun to ride them it is not enjoyable for me and I am sorry but IF I can get somewhere in 10 minutes by car versus 30 minutes with the cart well theres your answer. My time is also valuable and do not want to waste it driving around at 18 miles a hour all day !!!

[Lottoguy]

If your asking these questions it looks to me like you already know the answer. Look at a map and decide what is the best location for your move to TV. Keep in mind things can change quickly when it comes to real estate. My suggestion is don't get your mind locked into a brand new house which comes with that bond. Consider preowned homes many of which have no bond or a small one left to pay off.
Their are many preowned homes available right now and many of thousands of dollares invested in them with major upgrades you won't have to do with a new home.

[Lottoguy]

Hacienda is adding around 25 brand new villas. Right close to Spanish Springs too.

[MrChip72]

Quite a bit of assumptions in this post. Neighborhoods vote on when they would like to have driveway parties. The reason some are at 2:00 is because the neighbors are close knit. They golf, play cards, exercise, and more TOGETHER. 2:00 is a great time to have lunch TOGETHER after enjoying their favorite activities.


In my Village (south of turnpike) I've never heard of people voting on when to have driveway parties. People just have them, they usually let everyone know ahead of time in the Facebook group specific to my Village and sometimes put a few flyers on people's doors. They happen about ever 1-2 weeks in my area. Usually starting at 4pm since it's a younger crowd.

That whole 2pm = close knit theory is pretty hilarious.

[Marathon Man]

In my Village (south of turnpike) I've never heard of people voting on when to have driveway parties. People just have them, they usually let everyone know ahead of time in the Facebook group specific to my Village and sometimes put a few flyers on people's doors. They happen about ever 1-2 weeks in my area. Usually starting at 4pm since it's a younger crowd.

That whole 2pm = close knit theory is pretty hilarious.

I've been in TV for many years in three different places. Never heard of voting for a party time either.

[Lottoguy]

The northern area is so underrated. Realtors love this area. Close to everything and the least crowded during the winter months.

[Birdrm]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

The other option would be to look at the new homes being built in the last section of Richmond, this would put you just south of 44 and Brownwood!

[asianthree]

Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north.

Next gen of retirement residents are shopping online for groceries or anything from retail, rarely need medical facilities or hospitals. Gas stations needs are too few and far between because don’t save on gas from not driving to groceries and retail.

Its been at least 10 years since we hit brick and mortar, our kids never shop Brick, and only time our grands saw a retail space was once a year for Santa pics at Summerset.

[MrFitness]

Buy where you like it but for me? Well I am NEVER getting a golf car and theres NO LAW saying that you need to have one there. Even thou they claim its fun to ride them it is not enjoyable for me and I am sorry but IF I can get somewhere in 10 minutes by car versus 30 minutes with the cart well theres your answer. My time is also valuable and do not want to waste it driving around at 18 miles a hour all day !!!

Yeah, we are different. My time is precious but hardly valuable. Gone are the days of a full time job and young kids. I have plenty of time in a day, just running short on days. I want the golf cart life. I want to be out in the open air. I want to drive my car as little as possible. Having said that, I'd prefer most destinations within a 20 minute or so cart drive.

[VApeople]

I am NEVER getting a golf car !!!

We have been here for 8 years. We do not have a golf cart and have no plans to buy one.

Yes, I enjoy playing golf with my wife. We can easily walk the exec courses and we especially like the Micky Lee pitch and putt course, where I get a lot more practice putting than I get on a 9-hole exec course.

[MrFitness]

In my Village (south of turnpike) I've never heard of people voting on when to have driveway parties. People just have them, they usually let everyone know ahead of time in the Facebook group specific to my Village and sometimes put a few flyers on people's doors. They happen about ever 1-2 weeks in my area. Usually starting at 4pm since it's a younger crowd.

That whole 2pm = close knit theory is pretty hilarious.

Can you explain the last line in your note. Why do parties start at 4 if you are younger ? That also reminds me of my shocking revelation during my lifestyle visit; everything closes at 9pm lol. Just gonna have to get used to it (or age into it). Up here I get disappointed when the bands end at midnight. Do neighborhood parties end at 9 as well in TV ?

[asianthree]

Can you explain the last line in your note. Why do parties start at 4 if you are younger ? That also reminds me of my shocking revelation during my lifestyle visit; everything closes at 9pm lol. Just gonna have to get used to it (or age into it). Up here I get disappointed when the bands end at midnight. Do neighborhood parties end at 9 as well in TV ?

You will find older residents are eating dinner at 4ish. Our neighborhood parties start around 6pm and once can hear band way past midnight. Nobody complains about the noise, because almost all of the neighborhood is at the party. Streets are lined with carts, food trucks with good food, everyone dancing, having conversations, and enjoying the entertainment. South of 44 is very different, than any of the 4 neighborhoods we lived at. It’s so entertaining to see people out after 6pm:MOJE_whot:

[Laker14]

Pickleball is a big part of my planned activities. I'm 59, a decent level, but I play for fun and to meet people. I prefer the "show up and play when you want" over league play. I'm sure I'll be able to find what I want down there. I had no problem during my visit.

You'll have no problem

[sowilts]

Excellent reply.

[Laker14]

Yeah, we are different. My time is precious but hardly valuable. Gone are the days of a full time job and young kids. I have plenty of time in a day, just running short on days. I want the golf cart life. I want to be out in the open air. I want to drive my car as little as possible. Having said that, I'd prefer most destinations within a 20 minute or so cart drive.

From what I'm reading it sounds like your desires for a golf cart life, and "new build" could be at odds. Good reason to get down to those areas with a cart and see if the two goals are compatible. If they are, you are all set. If they aren't you'll have some decisions to make.
Best of luck.
Reading descriptions of the social life schedule in the new areas makes me realize there is something for everyone, and that I chose well, for me, being in an older 'hood. I love it that when we have card night I'm in bed by 9:30. I'm often at the PB courts or driving to a golf course before the sun is over the yardarm. What works for me doesn't work for everyone.

[MrChip72]

Can you explain the last line in your note. Why do parties start at 4 if you are younger ? That also reminds me of my shocking revelation during my lifestyle visit; everything closes at 9pm lol. Just gonna have to get used to it (or age into it). Up here I get disappointed when the bands end at midnight. Do neighborhood parties end at 9 as well in TV ?

Not everything closes at 9pm. In my area (south of the turnpike) they usually don't go as late as 9, but mosquitoes can be a big factor in that as they tend to be the worst just after dusk.

I sometimes like going to the bars/restaurants to watch primetime football games that usually end around 11-11:30pm and I haven't really had a problem finding places in the squares that are open that late to see the whole game.

[MrFitness]

From what I'm reading it sounds like your desires for a golf cart life, and "new build" could be at odds. Good reason to get down to those areas with a cart and see if the two goals are compatible. If they are, you are all set. If they aren't you'll have some decisions to make.
Best of luck.
Reading descriptions of the social life schedule in the new areas makes me realize there is something for everyone, and that I chose well, for me, being in an older 'hood. I love it that when we have card night I'm in bed by 9:30. I'm often at the PB courts or driving to a golf course before the sun is over the yardarm. What works for me doesn't work for everyone.

Yes, I can see where weekly parties til midnight in neighborhoods could be problematic as everyone is different. It'd be nice if maybe the newer town squares could stay open late on weekends.

Unfortunately I won't have access to a cart when I'm down here next week, but I feel I can estimate based on car times. I also watched the great drone videos from that guy (GoldWing something). Eastport has a long way to go. But I was here in summer of 22 and Richmond was just starting. And now there are a whole bunch of newer villages completed. It moves fast. And I kinda like the idea of being right there as that progress unfolds. The people selling me on the north have not convinced me. I want to be close to my daily and weekly activities. I can drive further for my monthly or annual activities if need be. And I do believe an age gradient exists from north to south. And we all know that once TV gets a reputation (STDs, Loofa's, lol) it's hard to shake.

I think I know what I'm going to do, and these responses have assisted my reflection on the situation. Of course it could all change once I'm down here next week. I want this to be my last winter in Wisconsin. But the only urgency now is the discounts in Dabney (which are rapidly going away, but I assume more are coming). I will spend time there but I feel it will always be isolated (my original question on this post lol) as there seems to be little benefit to adding another bridge in the future. I guess I knew that already.

I will likely wait and see what becomes available near Eastport over the next 8-10 months. I've figured out what type of housing I want as well as the orientation (I think). Once something becomes available I'll have my agent pounce and then 30 days later I'll be here.

[MrChip72]

Unfortunately I won't have access to a cart when I'm down here next week, but I feel I can estimate based on car times.

I would strongly advise to rent a cart for at least a couple of days. We almost made a terrible mistake when we bought in 2022. We were almost about to put an offer on a pre-owned home but then decided to take a golf cart from Brownwood area to check the distance. Based on the car ride we thought it would be like a 15 min cart ride but was over 30 mins. That was a dealbreaker for us, but we never would've known that if we didn't spend an hour doing that cart ride. The subsequent home that we ended up purchasing we felt good about as it passed our golf cart test with flying colors. 9 mins to Brownwood and was about the same price as the other place.

[MrFitness]

Not everything closes at 9pm. In my area (south of the turnpike) they usually don't go as late as 9, but mosquitoes can be a big factor in that as they tend to be the worst just after dusk.

I sometimes like going to the bars/restaurants to watch primetime football games that usually end around 11-11:30pm and I haven't really had a problem finding places in the squares that are open that late to see the whole game.

Outstanding. Thanks. Any places show Packer games ?

[Altavia]

...

I will likely wait and see what becomes available near Eastport over the next 8-10 months. I've figured out what type of housing I want as well as the orientation (I think). Once something becomes available I'll have my agent pounce and then 30 days later I'll be here.

Wise strategy.

To help you forecast:

My observations - Historically, the Villages has roughly 3-4 new Villages under construction simultaneously.

Starting from first home construction, they complete each Villages in about six to nine months.

They start a new Village every 2-3 months.

Others opinions will vary.

[Randall55]

In my Village (south of turnpike) I've never heard of people voting on when to have driveway parties. People just have them, they usually let everyone know ahead of time in the Facebook group specific to my Village and sometimes put a few flyers on people's doors. They happen about ever 1-2 weeks in my area. Usually starting at 4pm since it's a younger crowd.

That whole 2pm = close knit theory is pretty hilarious.To each their own. I am young (61) and prefer to accommodate my neighbors' wants and needs. To me, CLOSE KNIT means doing just that. Maybe some young people still work in your area. In my neighborhood, we are all retired. We spend the mornings participating in group activities, (golf, hikes, biking, local trips, beach volleyball, etc) then have lunch either at a restaurant, in each others homes, or a large driveway party. The night is ours to enjoy. There is no one more important to me than my wife. I look forward to dinner with her, watching the sunset, and taking our evening stroll. It is my favorite part of the day. Wouldn't miss it for the world! Every couple in my neighborhood feels the same. I am confused as to why an after 4 party means better????? If you enjoy who you are with, TIME ON A CLOCK is not a factor.

[Justputt]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

I live in Dabney. Sawgrass is an easy run by cart (4-miles). Brownwood is a haul by cart, so we use the car. 470 is the on/off ramp to the TP and >35mph road, so will never have a cart path along it. Maybe they could get a TP underpass along 48 to the south, but there's nothing there yet and that's no shorter than running up to Sawgrass and using that bridge to go to Eastport. Eastport is a simple fast run across 470 by car (maybe 4-miles), which I'm fine with. We're just a 3-miles (no cart) from Winn Dixie, Publix, etc., 2 miles to the Post Office, TV purchased a couple thousand acres to the South, so there will be more town squares (someone told me they aim for around every 5 miles). The other issue will be bonds the developer uses for infrastructure, around ~32k for us, the Enclave ~72k, and what they'll be around Eastport idk, but there's a lot of infrastructure to pay for. I always traveled by car before moving to TV and it didn't bother me, so consider whether you want to live life based on golf cart access or just access.

[Calisport]

I am near Sawgrass Grove so the drive to the 466A areas are somewhat far. Living in Lake Denham or Dabney you will be going to Leesburg and Okahumpka by car more often. It will take years for stores to come to the area. It happens very slowly in the villages.

[VApeople]

I live in Dabney.

We're just a 3-miles (no cart) from Winn Dixie, Publix, etc., 2 miles to the Post Office

To get to those places, you have to turn left on 470. We drove along 470 last week and the east bound traffic was very heavy. At that time, it must have been very difficult to come out of Dabney and turn left on 470

[MrChip72]

Outstanding. Thanks. Any places show Packer games ?

Gators in Brownwood.

[Rainger99]

To get to those places, you have to turn left on 470. We drove along 470 last week and the east bound traffic was very heavy. At that time, it must have been very difficult to come out of Dabney and turn left on 470

They could use a traffic light there. It is busy and the cars are going very fast. There are lights at Morse and 44, 466a and 466. Same with buena vista. There is even a light at Meggison and 44.

[golfing eagles]

Dabney will be very near to the new hospital, lots of retail space down there that will be built in the near future, medical facilities are being built all over the place south of 44, 3 new championship courses near Dabney, and you are near to Leesburg for all of their shopping and restaurants, also much, much closer to Orlando and Tampa via the Turnpike and I-75 than areas up north.

I'm not so sure about all of that. The nearest "new" golf course is Southern Oaks, and can be 10-12 minutes depending on where in Dabney you start from. The two courses under construction on the other side of the Bexley bridge will be about 15-17 minutes. Shallow Creek which will open in April would be about 25 minutes. Between 15 and 25 minutes will be up to 6 new exec courses. Along that Newell/Lake Denham/Dabney corridor I'm not aware of any plans for new golf courses, and I doubt there is room. As far as the hospital goes, that project is on hold indefinitely and is unlikely to be built in our lifetimes, if at all. Commercial development---who knows, again availability of land in that area is a factor (currently). Lastly, if looking at CYVs, be aware many of them built south of 44 have been purchased by investors and turned into Airbnb's----and it doesn't look like any STR restrictions are coming soon.

[VApeople]

To get to those places, you have to turn left on 470. We drove along 470 last week and the east bound traffic was very heavy. At that time, it must have been very difficult to come out of Dabney and turn left on 470

They could use a traffic light there. It is busy and the cars are going very fast. There are lights at Morse and 44, 466a and 466. Same with Buena Vista. There is even a light at Meggison and 44.

You are correct. A traffic light at the 470-Meggison intersection would be very helpful, as would a traffic light to help people in Chitty Chatty pull out and turn left onto Morse Road.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the county officials to make those decisions. They are too busy building a much needed sidewalk along Route 44.

[golfing eagles]

You are correct. A traffic light at the 470-Meggison intersection would be very helpful, as would a traffic light to help people in Chitty Chatty pull out and turn left onto Morse Road.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the county officials to make those decisions. They are too busy building a much needed sidewalk along Route 44.

I agree. I can't wait for that sidewalk along 44 to be completed so everyone can admire how nobody is walking on it. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Goldwingnut]

You are correct. A traffic light at the 470-Meggison intersection would be very helpful, as would a traffic light to help people in Chitty Chatty pull out and turn left onto Morse Road.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the county officials to make those decisions. They are too busy building a much needed sidewalk along Route 44.

As has been said many times both on this website and several others, the sidewalk on SR44 and the work on SR44 is part of an FDoT project and the county has absolutely no say in it.

With respect to 470/Meggison Rd, 470 is slated for expansion to 4 lanes by Lake County in the near future. The composition of traffic control devices will be determined by Lake County and the FDoT during the expansion.

As for the 470 intersection and the 468/Chitty Chatty intersection, neither at this time have sufficient traffic volume to warrant the installation of additional traffic control devices. While you may have to wait 30 seconds or more to execute a left turn, it can be executed safely, and in most cases, more quickly than if one had to wait for a traffic light to cycle.

[Altavia]

I agree. I can't wait for that sidewalk along 44 to be completed so everyone can admire how nobody is walking on it. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Curious why the hold up. It's looked completed for 6-+ months but there are barriers blocking use?

[VApeople]

As for the 470 intersection and the 468/Chitty Chatty intersection, neither at this time have sufficient traffic volume to warrant the installation of additional traffic control devices. While you may have to wait 30 seconds or more to execute a left turn, it can be executed safely, and in most cases, more quickly than if one had to wait for a traffic light to cycle.

In our case, we truly hate turning left onto a 4-lane road like Morse without a stop light to help us.

Like the UPS drivers, we plan our shopping trips so we do not have to turn left onto a dangerous road without having a stop light.

I have a friend who lives in the Sandalwood condos across from Chitty Chatty and he says it is a nightmare to turn left on Morse in the morning. He wished there was a stop light at that intersection.

It is comforting to know the Dept. of Transportation is behind the beautiful sidewalk along Route 44. I trust the Government because they are here to help us.

[Dond1959]

I have not seen anyone mention this, there is a new section that will be built south of Monarch Grove in between Marsh Bend and the turnpike. Personally I think that will be an excellent area as you will be closer to everything to the north like Everglades Rec, the Executive courses south of 44, and the shopping in Magnolia Plaza. Plus you will be close to everything to the south in Eastport and over to the Sawgrass area. There will be two golf cart paths one along Marsh Bend and one heading east on Bexley.

You never know the timing the Villages will open a new Village but it is probably within your timeframe. Get set up with a good sales agent here to get the lot or house you want. I think it will be a popular area when opened.

[Goldwingnut]

It is comforting to know the Dept. of Transportation is behind the beautiful sidewalk along Route 44. I trust the Government because they are here to help us.

You're not the only one questioning FDoT on the sidewalk issue, I don't know a single person that sees any use or common sense in the SR44 sidewalks. There are useful sidewalks like this all over the state, and this won't be the last of these you'll see in Sumter County, there are more planned. Once again, this is the FDoT's plans, not the county.

[MrChip72]

You're not the only one questioning FDoT on the sidewalk issue, I don't know a single person that sees any use or common sense in the SR44 sidewalks.

I doesn't seem unfathomable to me though to imagine at least some of that part of SR44 being heavily developed in 20-30 years where some of the sidewalks might actually get some use.

[VApeople]

I doesn't seem unfathomable to me though to imagine at least some of that part of SR44 being heavily developed in 20-30 years where some of the sidewalks might actually get some use.

If I were concerned what might happen in 20-30 years, I would go out and buy a casket.

[kkingston57]

Hacienda is adding around 25 brand new villas. Right close to Spanish Springs too.

Live nearby and bet those villas will be over 500K. Developer has spent a boatload of money on the infrastructure in that area. Wonder if these villas were not pre sold. They were proposed in the boom years

[Kelevision]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

Personally, I’d love that area. I’m near sawgrass but I like to go to Orlando often so being closer to the turnpike ent/exit is great. I’d guess that area of 470 will grow over time.

[Rainger99]

As for the 470 intersection and the 468/Chitty Chatty intersection, neither at this time have sufficient traffic volume to warrant the installation of additional traffic control devices. While you may have to wait 30 seconds or more to execute a left turn, it can be executed safely, and in most cases, more quickly than if one had to wait for a traffic light to cycle.

What is sufficient traffic? Is that a specific number such as 200 vehicles an hour? If so, where do we find it? Is it in state DOT regulations or county regulations? Or some place else?

If it isn’t a specific number, how is it determined?

[DrMack]

We bought and built in Dabney, it looks long term for isolation. The only movement we see anymore is contractor trucks. Your answer, it IS to far from most things. We will look to sell in about 11 months. That’s how long you need to keep the home if you buy. Our eyes are now on a condo in Clearwater.

[golfing eagles]

We bought and built in Dabney, it looks long term for isolation. The only movement we see anymore is contractor trucks. Your answer, it IS to far from most things. We will look to sell in about 11 months. That’s how long you need to keep the home if you buy. Our eyes are now on a condo in Clearwater.

Clearwater??? Enjoy the traffic (ie: parking).

[Altavia]

What was it like in Pine Hills/Pine Ridge in the beginning?

Some of that area is 8+ mi from Sumter/Brownwood.

Was Colony Plaza already there?

[Normal]

What was it like in Pine Hills/Pine Ridge in the beginning?

Some of that area is 8+ mi from Sumter/Brownwood.

Was Colony Plaza already there?

I recall those days, the Tea shop was our favorite stop if you wanted to drive all the way down 301. Dabney is a different animal though. 470 isolates it and it will soon be a 4 lane. 33 is a boundary owned by another developer. Anyone wanting to drive up to Sawgrass has a bit of a cart ride. Eastport would be like someone driving from Sawgrass to Brownwood. I wouldn’t see anything in its future for at least the next 5 years.

[golfing eagles]

What was it like in Pine Hills/Pine Ridge in the beginning?

Some of that area is 8+ mi from Sumter/Brownwood.

Was Colony Plaza already there?

Colony was there as early as 2007-09. Pine Ridge was built about 2015-16. When Colony was built, BV between Seabreeze and 466A was a dirt road.

[Normal]

Colony was there as early as 2007-09. Pine Ridge was built about 2015-16. When Colony was built, BV between Seabreeze and 466A was a dirt road.

Great advice, buy now, then wait 10 years to move in maybe?

[Princeton]

Yes, Dabney is isolated and I love it. Except for shopping. There’s no traffic, it’s quiet. I drove up to the northside near Wildwood and it was crazy up there.

[Rainger99]

We bought and built in Dabney, it looks long term for isolation. The only movement we see anymore is contractor trucks. Your answer, it IS to far from most things. We will look to sell in about 11 months. That’s how long you need to keep the home if you buy. Our eyes are now on a condo in Clearwater.

I think you only have to wait 11 months if you make a profit on the sale. There are so many new homes still for sale in Dabney that I doubt people will buy a pre-owned home for more than a new home - especially when they should be selling new homes in Eastport in less than 11 months.

My purchase agreement said:

Buyer agrees not to sell, convey or transfer the property for a period of one year following the closing of this transaction. In the event buyer sells, conveys or transfers the property during this period, then buyer agrees to forfeit any and all profits from such a sale to the Seller. Profits shall be defined as the gross sales proceeds from any sale during the no sale period less the gross purchase price of this transaction.

As I read that (and I am not a lawyer), if you bought a house for $500,000 and made $150,000 in improvements and sold it for $800,000 in the first year, you would lose the entire $300,000. You wouldn't get credit for any improvements and your gross purchase price would take into account any closing fees such as real estate agents, lawyer fees, etc.!

[kansasr]

Clearwater??? Enjoy the traffic (ie: parking).

Clearly you haven't been on Morse heading towards FL44 or tried parking in Magnolia Plaza lately!

[frayedends]

There is a resale house in Lake Denham that was listed recently for something like $865. I believe it was originally sold about $640 in August of last year. Not sure how they are getting by the 1 year issue unless it doesn’t close till then. No pool was added and not a lot of upgrades were visible on the outside nor inside from the listing pics. It’s 2274 sq ft. Never lived in as far as I can tell. It’s already under agreement and I was very surprised. I thought there was no way they would get that much. It went under agreement quick so I assume they got close to asking. View/preserve sites are apparently already profitable even while interior homes are being discounted.

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[golfing eagles]

Clearly you haven't been on Morse heading towards FL44 or tried parking in Magnolia Plaza lately!

Yes, I have. Nothing like Rt 19 St. Pete--->Clearwater. And certainly nothing like the LIE at rush hour

[Normal]

Yes, I have. Nothing like Rt 19 St. Pete--->Clearwater. And certainly nothing like the LIE at rush hour
Traffic here up by 42 and 441 and traffic on 75 towards Ocala can get pretty bad. But the traffic on 19 from 7-900 in the morning and 430-6 in the afternoons is horrid. The rest of the time the road isn’t that bad. If I can I’ll pass on the 19 from Newport Richey down to Tampa I do. The Suncoast tollway is better. I think the 54 is worse from Wesley Chapel to Trinity. Clearwater beach is a little better than the city of Clearwater though.

[MarioNappa]

I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.

For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ?

I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ?

The Villages purchased land south of Dabney and north of the Turnpike so we can assume that they will build on it at some time. If you look at the agenda packet for the Feb 12 meeting for the Leesburg City Commission, you will see in it maps for Secret Promise and this other section of land north of the turnpike that will be incorporated into TV in May.

There are also plans to widen Rt. 470 from the Sumter-Lake County line to route 27, but there is no indication whether that will include a golf cart lane or even two additional lanes over the turnpike. The cost estimate seemed too low for that, but plans may change to include widening of the bridge. Since Central Parkway now does not have a golf cart lane, it is not likely to have one over the Turnpike.

Dabney will have TV to the northwest, west, and south, but there will never be TV to the east since that land is mostly developed. You have to decide if that's a good or bad thing. You will be very close to the Turnpike and access to towns south and east and also only 45 minutes from the airport. You can easily escape the bubble from Dabney; you just have to decide how important that is to you.

[JMintzer]

What was it like in Pine Hills/Pine Ridge in the beginning?

Some of that area is 8+ mi from Sumter/Brownwood.

Was Colony Plaza already there?

Try just under 6 miles (to Brownwood) to just over 6 miles (to Lake Sumter), from the farthest point on Moyer Loop...

[kansasr]

The Villages purchased land south of Dabney and north of the Turnpike so we can assume that they will build on it at some time. If you look at the agenda packet for the Feb 12 meeting for the Leesburg City Commission, you will see in it maps for Secret Promise and this other section of land north of the turnpike that will be incorporated into TV in May.

There are also plans to widen Rt. 470 from the Sumter-Lake County line to route 27, but there is no indication whether that will include a golf cart lane or even two additional lanes over the turnpike. The cost estimate seemed too low for that, but plans may change to include widening of the bridge. Since Central Parkway now does not have a golf cart lane, it is not likely to have one over the Turnpike.

Dabney will have TV to the northwest, west, and south, but there will never be TV to the east since that land is mostly developed. You have to decide if that's a good or bad thing. You will be very close to the Turnpike and access to towns south and east and also only 45 minutes from the airport. You can easily escape the bubble from Dabney; you just have to decide how important that is to you.

The Developer does own about 500 acres south of Dabney/Lake Denham and east/north of the Turnpike under the name RAPID INFILTRATION BASIN INFRASTRUCTURE & TRANSMISSION LLC. One only knows what they plan to do with this.

The "Secret Promise" purchase that you refer to is actually on the other side (west/south) of the Turnpike and abuts all of the Developer property on the Sumter County side. No need for any additional bridges or tunnels to access this from the rest of the Villages.

[Normal]

Buying in Dabney would be one of the dumbest real estate moves ever. If you want to move to the Villages, hold off. The real estate location is the worst.

[frayedends]

Buying in Dabney would be one of the dumbest real estate moves ever. If you want to move to the Villages, hold off. The real estate location is the worst.

What are you basing this on? I just posted an example in lake Denham of a 200K profit in under a year.

[CarlR33]

What are you basing this on? I just posted an example in lake Denham of a 200K profit in under a year. It was a Debbie Downer post from a real estate investor trying to capitalize, LOL

[Rainger99]

There is a resale house in Lake Denham that was listed recently for something like $865. I believe it was originally sold about $640 in August of last year. Not sure how they are getting by the 1 year issue unless it doesn’t close till then. No pool was added and not a lot of upgrades were visible on the outside nor inside from the listing pics. It’s 2274 sq ft. Never lived in as far as I can tell. It’s already under agreement and I was very surprised. I thought there was no way they would get that much. It went under agreement quick so I assume they got close to asking. View/preserve sites are apparently already profitable even while interior homes are being discounted.

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It was originally bought on July 24, 2023.

According to the website, closing to take place after July 25th.

[Rainger99]

What are you basing this on? I just posted an example in lake Denham of a 200K profit in under a year.

From looking at the Villages' website, it appears that almost all of the view sites in Dabney have been sold. The problem is properties that are not view sites. The demand for them seems to have slowed.

[frayedends]

From looking at the Villages' website, it appears that almost all of the view sites in Dabney have been sold. The problem is properties that are not view sites. The demand for them seems to have slowed.

It did slow but has picked up this month. The discounts and holidays being over have helped. All the new development in the coming years will make them good investments in my opinion.

[Randall55]

There is a resale house in Lake Denham that was listed recently for something like $865. I believe it was originally sold about $640 in August of last year. Not sure how they are getting by the 1 year issue unless it doesn’t close till then. No pool was added and not a lot of upgrades were visible on the outside nor inside from the listing pics. It’s 2274 sq ft. Never lived in as far as I can tell. It’s already under agreement and I was very surprised. I thought there was no way they would get that much. It went under agreement quick so I assume they got close to asking. View/preserve sites are apparently already profitable even while interior homes are being discounted.

Homefinder - The Villages(R) Homes and Villas for Sale (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/L60V.25?new&preowned&homesites&status&lng=-81.98019326735313&lat=28.86591360951103&lvl=1)No one knows what additional money the owner invested to spruce up the home. WHO owned it was also not mentioned. This makes a HUGE difference. An ordinary homeowner may not get this type of rapid increase. Not a good idea to count on huge profits until you know all the facts. A knowledgable investor may have had a buyer in his back pocket throughout the building process.

[frayedends]

No one knows what additional money the owner invested to spruce up the home. WHO owned it was also not mentioned. This makes a HUGE difference. An ordinary homeowner may not get this type of rapid increase. Not a good idea to count on huge profits until you know all the facts. A knowledgable investor may have had a buyer in his back pocket throughout the building process.

Based on the pictures there were no updates. Looks like same builder grade appliances. Landscaping is the same builder installed plants and pine straw mulch. You figure they had it built for $640k and already had a buyer lined up to pay $200k more?

I’m not saying anyone can count on anything. I bought here because I plan to retire to this house. Could I move eventually, sure. I’m pretty sure I made a sound investment if I do choose to move. I have no idea why so many people try to discourage buying down here. The people around here are great and I’ve not been deprived of any amenities.

[Rainger99]

The people around here are great and I’ve not been deprived of any amenities.

I agree that more than 90% of the people here are great. I also agree that you haven't been deprived of any amenities because anyone can use any amenity in any of the villages. The issue is getting to the amenities. At the present time, you are at least 30 minutes by golf cart to Brownwood which is the nearest Town Square. You are much closer to Sawgrass but that is an entertainment venue - not a Town Square.

If you play golf, you have to travel a lot farther to get to an executive golf course than people living north of 466 and those living between 466 and 466A. This will be true even after the courses are built in Eastport. I played up north a few weeks ago and a couple told me that there were 3 executive courses within a 10 minute golf ride of where they lived. I can't see that ever happening to people living northeast of the Turnpike and south of Warm Springs.

[Marathon Man]

Based on the pictures there were no updates. Looks like same builder grade appliances. Landscaping is the same builder installed plants and pine straw mulch. You figure they had it built for $640k and already had a buyer lined up to pay $200k more?

I’m not saying anyone can count on anything. I bought here because I plan to retire to this house. Could I move eventually, sure. I’m pretty sure I made a sound investment if I do choose to move. I have no idea why so many people try to discourage buying down here. The people around here are great and I’ve not been deprived of any amenities.

Well said.

[frayedends]

I agree that more than 90% of the people here are great. I also agree that you haven't been deprived of any amenities because anyone can use any amenity in any of the villages. The issue is getting to the amenities. At the present time, you are at least 30 minutes by golf cart to Brownwood which is the nearest Town Square. You are much closer to Sawgrass but that is an entertainment venue - not a Town Square.

If you play golf, you have to travel a lot farther to get to an executive golf course than people living north of 466 and those living between 466 and 466A. This will be true even after the courses are built in Eastport. I played up north a few weeks ago and a couple told me that there were 3 executive courses within a 10 minute golf ride of where they lived. I can't see that ever happening to people living northeast of the Turnpike and south of Warm Springs.

I can’t say anything on golf as it is not a priority. I’ve never played the game. I did just look at the putting course and pitch and putt that are 3 minutes from me and it seems like a fun thing to try. What really perplexes me is how people say Brownwood being 30 minute cart ride is a negative. That’s a pretty short trip. Maybe you all lived in cities and need to be a walk away? I like the cart ride. Eastport is 17 minutes from me by cart. I am dumbfounded how that is supposed to be too far to be worth living here.

At the end of the day these debates are silly. It all depends on the lifestyle someone is interested in. There will be buyers for houses down here and if we want to sell in the future we will make as much profit as any other place in the villages. Our buyers wouldn’t like it up north and buyers up north wouldn’t like it down here. To each his own.

[Altavia]

I can’t say anything on golf as it is not a priority. I’ve never played the game. I did just look at the putting course and pitch and putt that are 3 minutes from me and it seems like a fun thing to try. What really perplexes me is how people say Brownwood being 30 minute cart ride is a negative. That’s a pretty short trip. Maybe you all lived in cities and need to be a walk away? I like the cart ride. Eastport is 17 minutes from me by cart. I am dumbfounded how that is supposed to be too far to be worth living here.

Enjoy your home, Danby is a unique and beautiful area, convenient to many things inside and outside the bubbles.

Ignore user is your friend.

[Rainger99]

Enjoy your home, Danby is a unique and beautiful area, convenient to many things inside and outside the bubbles.

That could be said about almost anyplace in the world.

However, the initial poster was considering buying in Dabney or Moultrie Creek and asked "For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike?"

Most of the replies have been helpful - giving the pros and cons of living in Dabney as opposed to Eastport.

I am relatively new here but I have never seen so many houses for sale in one village. Hopefully, this link works.

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[Laker14]

I agree that more than 90% of the people here are great. I also agree that you haven't been deprived of any amenities because anyone can use any amenity in any of the villages. The issue is getting to the amenities. At the present time, you are at least 30 minutes by golf cart to Brownwood which is the nearest Town Square. You are much closer to Sawgrass but that is an entertainment venue - not a Town Square.

If you play golf, you have to travel a lot farther to get to an executive golf course than people living north of 466 and those living between 466 and 466A. This will be true even after the courses are built in Eastport. I played up north a few weeks ago and a couple told me that there were 3 executive courses within a 10 minute golf ride of where they lived. I can't see that ever happening to people living northeast of the Turnpike and south of Warm Springs.

I'm in Poinciana and I am 4 minutes by golf cart from Sandhill/Turtle Mound, and Yankee Clipper/Southern Star. I am 5 minutes to Cane Garden, 10 minutes to Havana, or Mallory, 15 minutes to Palmer, Evans Prairie, Bonifay, or Belle Glade.
Too many pools and rec centers within 10 minutes to list.
15 minutes by cart to either Brownwood or LSL.

Of course, I have to live in an ancient (18 year old) home that is crumbling around me, and a $7,000 bond.

[MarioNappa]

The Developer does own about 500 acres south of Dabney/Lake Denham and east/north of the Turnpike under the name RAPID INFILTRATION BASIN INFRASTRUCTURE & TRANSMISSION LLC. One only knows what they plan to do with this.

The "Secret Promise" purchase that you refer to is actually on the other side (west/south) of the Turnpike and abuts all of the Developer property on the Sumter County side. No need for any additional bridges or tunnels to access this from the rest of the Villages.
Here is a map of Secret Promise and land north of the TurnPike that will become part of The Villages on May 13.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ag5G09YA4TxQgpFDX8u7egdfcG4qLA?e=aY4YnX

[David from L.A.]

I am looking to downsize again and I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with living in a one-bedroom home, not to rent out but to actually live in. I don't mind Dabney and in my lifestyle choices, I certainly wouldn't feel isolated as I appreciate being closer to MCO as well as some of the surrounding communities south. Also, I no longer entertain overnight guests, unless of course they are bunking in the master bedroom with me, but I did notice that the overall price per square of a one-bedroom home is actually higher than that of a 2 or 3 bedroom even though the one-bedrooms have fewer amenities. Btw, when my sister built her home in Summerfield back in 2003, there was a cow pasture across the street, and when I bought my home in Deluna, there was no Water Lily Bridge, no Edna's on the Green, no Magnolia shopping center and Marsh Bend Trail did not connect to the 301. "Blink."

[coffeebean]

I'm not suggesting that everyone moves to TV with the primary objective of accessibility to golf. I think some do, and I think the way TV markets itself suggests that no matter where you are you will have it. That's misleading.
Since the OP stated a concern about driving north, I was pointing out that if golf is a main reason for coming to TV, and why he or she would be driving north, it would be wise to know and experience the travel to the courses.

We do not golf, never have and have no interest in the sport. Having said that, what I do enjoy living in the LSL area is the acres of rolling golf courses that I pass every day on Morse Blvd and Odell Circle. The vistas the courses provide are just lovely. In this area, we do not have solid views of only homes which is one reason we chose to live in The Villages. We enjoy dining at the golf course restaurants (AKA Country Clubs in this neck of the woods). The views are gorgeous.

[coffeebean]

Dabney will be very near to the new hospital, lots of retail space down there that will be built in the near future, medical facilities are being built all over the place south of 44, 3 new championship courses near Dabney, and you are near to Leesburg for all of their shopping and restaurants, also much, much closer to Orlando and Tampa via the Turnpike and I-75 than areas up north.

Leesburg shopping and restaurants is not The Villages. In the northern section, 441, 466 and 466A are surrounded by The Villages. There is a different feel and vibe in Leesburg. Leesburg is not golf cart accessible. That is one big part of being a Villager for most Villagers. The Villages infrastructure for golf carts is like no other in the world. Why go to Leesburg?

[coffeebean]

Can you explain the last line in your note. Why do parties start at 4 if you are younger ? That also reminds me of my shocking revelation during my lifestyle visit; everything closes at 9pm lol. Just gonna have to get used to it (or age into it). Up here I get disappointed when the bands end at midnight. Do neighborhood parties end at 9 as well in TV ?
I would not be a happy camper if block parties went into the evening hours. I like my quiet neighborhood and prefer it remain that way in the evening hours. I even like my quiet neighborhood in the daytime too.

If you want night life that stays open past 9:00 pm, there are restaurants and bars along the 441 corridor. That is a long way from parts south.

[thelegges]

I would not be a happy camper if block parties went into the evening hours. I like my quiet neighborhood and prefer it remain that way in the evening hours. I even like my quiet neighborhood in the daytime too.

If you want night life that stays open past 9:00 pm, there are restaurants and bars along the 441 corridor. That is a long way from parts south.

No need to travel north for evening entertainment, as you suggest. Block parties, with live entertainment, food trucks, and great fun are abundant south of 44. villages of Richmond, St John’s, Hawkins, St Catherine, and beyond come alive with social gatherings in late evenings.

Plus some have monthly theme parties at regional centers, tickets sell out in hours, with waitlist. My parents stay up after 11p, enjoying meeting younger residents, and big difference from our last village when the sidewalks rolled up at 6p.

It’s good to have areas in TV that older residents can come in before dark, and areas that residents can stay up as long as they want.

[Randall55]

No need to travel north for evening entertainment, as you suggest. Block parties, with live entertainment, food trucks, and great fun are abundant south of 44. villages of Richmond, St John’s, Hawkins, St Catherine, and beyond come alive with social gatherings in late evenings.

Plus some have monthly theme parties at regional centers, tickets sell out in hours, with waitlist. My parents stay up after 11p, enjoying meeting younger residents, and big difference from our last village when the sidewalks rolled up at 6p.

It’s good to have areas in TV that older residents can come in before dark, and areas that residents can stay up as long as they want.I will never understand why some believe a late night party is better than other parties. Or, why having a live band with food trucks in their neighborhood is WONDERFUL.

A party is a party no matter what time it is scheduled. And, why bring food trucks and bands to your neighborhood? To me, it sounds awfully plain and ordinary. You can find the same food trucks and bands in ANY town square on any given night. Dance any night you wish. And, have interesting conversations with neighbors seated beside you. Bringing this to your neighborhood is not out of the box thinking or extraordinary.

Most neighborhoods have scheduled activities, driveway parties, and monthly events. It is not just a south of 44 thing. I have nothing but gratitude for those who came years before me and started these traditions.They helped make the Villages a wonderful place to retire. Cheers to the older generations! (I hope I can keep up with them during our next outing.:))

[Marathon Man]

I will never understand why some believe a late night party is better than other parties. Or, why having a live band with food trucks in their neighborhood is WONDERFUL.

A party is a party no matter what time it is scheduled. And, why bring food trucks and bands to your neighborhood? To me, it sounds awfully plain and ordinary. You can find the same food trucks and bands in ANY town square on any given night. Dance any night you wish. And, have interesting conversations with neighbors seated beside you. Bringing this to your neighborhood is not out of the box thinking or extraordinary.

Most neighborhoods have scheduled activities, driveway parties, and monthly events. It is not just a south of 44 thing. I have nothing but gratitude for those who came years before me and started these traditions.They helped make the Villages a wonderful place to retire. Cheers to the older generations! (I hope I can keep up with them during our next outing.:))

That's ok. The people enjoying it don't need you to understand.

[Marathon Man]

Why do some golfers seem to think that access to golf should be a priority for everyone? Can someone explain that?

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Why do some golfers seem to think that access to golf should be a priority for everyone? Can someone explain that?

The problem for Dabney involves the word “golf”; like in golf cart. Golf cart accessibility is a major consideration that particularly affects the area. Many villagers own golf carts and use them for transportation for a myriad of activities. Many of those who own carts, don’t golf. This is basically a part of the Villages that is for the vast majority in the area hampered.

The area isn’t isolated by car if you want to drive, it is isolated in the use of what the rest of the villages enjoys, golf cart accessibility for enjoyment of shopping, golfing and so much more.

[Lottoguy]

Looks to me like your first instinct is working here. On the map you can see the location and the distance it will to get there. I suggest you look into other areas for the house your looking for. Many of them, are just a couple of years old and have many upgrades already installed. South of 44 had 20 pages of preowned homes in their Tuesday edition. Loads of good homes to choose from right now. It is a buyers at this time.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks for your responses. And no, playing golf 40 minutes away is not why I'm moving to TV. I won't bore you with all of the reasons, but I would play golf a couple times a week if I lived here. I probably would play the courses near me most often.

My bigger concern is that new amenities will be built south as the years go by. From Dabney, by cart, that is a 15 minute trek north added to every trip. I can mitigate that by spending more and purchasing in Moultrie Creek or waiting for future villages. But I think every village I wait on will come with an incremental price increase and decrease time here.

So here's the thing. Those courses you have to drive a bit to get to currently? They're located in areas where everyone living IN those areas golf those courses, because they're close to THEIR homes. There's a lot of people playing those courses already. So you'll be competing heavily for tee-times with people who already live there. Plus you'll have to travel between 30-40 minutes each way, every time you go to play golf, for at least the next year if not longer.

On the other hand, if you were to buy a newer pre-owned home in one of those areas, you'll already be in the area, you'll have more options within a 20-minute golf cart drive of your own home, you won't have to wait for anything to be built in order to enjoy EVERYTHING you already enjoy, and - major bonus - you won't have to wake up to construction trucks rolling past your house to get to the unbuilt homes down the next block every day for the next year.

[Jim1mack]

Consider how far you’ll be driving for groceries, medical, entertainment, misc. shopping, restaurants, etc.. Buy where all of these are a short golf cart ride.

[Jim1mack]

South of 44 is a retail and golf wasteland. Consider how far you will be driving got groceries, shopping, restaurants, medical, dental, entertainment. Choose somewhere where you are a short golf cart ride to these places.

[Marathon Man]

South of 44 is a retail and golf wasteland. Consider how far you will be driving got groceries, shopping, restaurants, medical, dental, entertainment. Choose somewhere where you are a short golf cart ride to these places.

I have several friends who moved to that area for the exact reason that you suggest not to. It is away from the things that people go to. That makes their neighborhoods quieter and more to their liking. They love it. As far "a short golf cart ride", many of them do not own carts because they don't golf. They use their cars just like they always have. Not a problem.

One person's "wasteland" is another person's "tranquil retreat".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have several friends who moved to that area for the exact reason that you suggest not to. It is away from the things that people go to. That makes their neighborhoods quieter and more to their liking. They love it. As far "a short golf cart ride", many of them do not own carts because they don't golf. They use their cars just like they always have. Not a problem.

One person's "wasteland" is another person's "tranquil retreat".

Boy they're in for a rude awakening in a couple of years when retail, more golf courses, and rec centers are finally built down there and the place becomes bustling with business.

[Rainger99]

I am just looking at the Villages website showing the new homes that are still for sale in Lake Denham and Dabney. It looks like most of the prices have been cut several times and they still aren't selling. It will be interesting to see how low the Villages will go to sell these houses. Does anyone that was here in 2008/2009 know how low the prices were?

I moved here in 2021 and I don't remember seeing any price reductions on new homes. It was a seller's market and the Villages was no lowering prices. They were selling at the asking price.

I don't think the Lake Denham/Dabney prices have hit bottom and people hate to buy when they think the prices will drop further.

It appears that the homes in Eastport are selling faster than the homes in Dabney.

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[Marathon Man]

Boy they're in for a rude awakening in a couple of years when retail, more golf courses, and rec centers are finally built down there and the place becomes bustling with business.

The rec centers near their homes were built before the homes (most of them are pickleball players and play at Franklin and Homestead). Golf courses are going in on the other side of the turnpike, as well as Eastport. The land that will hold smaller retail is to the west. So, no rude awakening.

[JMintzer]

The rec centers near their homes were built before the homes (most of them are pickleball players and play at Franklin and Homestead). Golf courses are going in on the other side of the turnpike, as well as Eastport. The land that will hold smaller retail is to the west. So, no rude awakening.

Plus, if she thinks all this retail will be there "in a few years", she's in for another rude awakening...

466A is still being filled in with retail, some of which only came in the last few years... Well after construction was finished in the area...

[Lottoguy]

Their building brand new villas now off Morse where the Hacienda restaurant use to be. Great location too! I think there will be just 24 units. The pool is already open.

[Jim1mack]

Agree. It’s basically a retail, golf, shopping, medical, restaurant, drug store wasteland. I wouldn’t move to a location that isn’t more than a 15 minute golf cart ride to any of those places. Two grocery stores, nine executive courses, three championship courses, Brownwood. Oh, fire station one mile. I didn’t move here to drive my car except to ACE.

[Randall55]

Agree. It’s basically a retail, golf, shopping, medical, restaurant, drug store wasteland. I wouldn’t move to a location that isn’t more than a 15 minute golf cart ride to any of those places. Two grocery stores, nine executive courses, three championship courses, Brownwood. Oh, fire station one mile. I didn’t move here to drive my car except to ACE.Years ago, the Villages marketing strategy was "everything you need is a short golf cart ride away." Their new way of selling homes is to tell buyers all the villages and squares are connected via golf cart paths. A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

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Agree. It’s basically a retail, golf, shopping, medical, restaurant, drug store wasteland. I wouldn’t move to a location that isn’t more than a 15 minute golf cart ride to any of those places. Two grocery stores, nine executive courses, three championship courses, Brownwood. Oh, fire station one mile. I didn’t move here to drive my car except to ACE.

115 s lots will be released soon and they are much more favorable as a desirable location. 5 minutes to Brownwood by golf cart Public Portal • CivicClerk (https://wildwoodfl.portal.civicclerk.com/event/2188/files/attachment/10750)
Granted, there are only 57 to be released, but they are much more prime than a drive all the way from Dabney to the new location.

[callalily]

115 s lots will be released soon and they are much more favorable as a desirable location. 5 minutes to Brownwood by golf cart Public Portal • CivicClerk (https://wildwoodfl.portal.civicclerk.com/event/2188/files/attachment/10750)
Granted, there are only 57 to be released, but they are much more prime than a drive all the way from Dabney to the new location.

Those new lots are adjacent to a trailer park. Not exactly prime.

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Those new lots are adjacent to a trailer park. Not exactly prime.

You could pretend you were at Orange Blossom. The Villages is putting up a wall anyway.

[Marathon Man]

Agree. It’s basically a retail, golf, shopping, medical, restaurant, drug store wasteland. I wouldn’t move to a location that isn’t more than a 15 minute golf cart ride to any of those places. Two grocery stores, nine executive courses, three championship courses, Brownwood. Oh, fire station one mile. I didn’t move here to drive my car except to ACE.

One of the many great things about TV is that no matter what is important to you, you can find the best place. Close by golf cart has no importance to me at all. I know several people who do not even own golf carts. Nothing wrong with using a car to get to where you want to be.

[Marathon Man]

Years ago, the Villages marketing strategy was "everything you need is a short golf cart ride away." Their new way of selling homes is to tell buyers all the villages and squares are connected via golf cart paths. A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Does 'years ago' matter? I think not. Everything evolves. Golf carts are less important to some people than they are to others. Seems like the marketing folks understand that.

[Randall55]

Does 'years ago' matter? I think not. Everything evolves. Golf carts are less important to some people than they are to others. Seems like the marketing folks understand that.I guess you missed what I was trying to say. In past years, Everything, as in restaurants, doctors, stores, many golf courses, squares, etc is golf cart accessible. You never have to leave the bubble. Everything is in CLOSE PROXIMITY and was designed that way.

In the newer areas, golf cart paths connect the villages and squares. Very little, if anything, in between. You get a long scenic ride but must go out of the bubble(in your car) for your needs. Like I said, A HUGE DIFFERENCE. Of course, you would not want a golf cart in those areas. It would take most of your day to travel and return.

In the older areas, hop in your cart and what you want or need takes MINUTES. Need something else while you are out? Right there! Just stop in and do your second, or third, or fourth task. Easy Peasy!

[asianthree]

I am just looking at the Villages website showing the new homes that are still for sale in Lake Denham and Dabney. It looks like most of the prices have been cut several times and they still aren't selling. It will be interesting to see how low the Villages will go to sell these houses. Does anyone that was here in 2008/2009 know how low the prices were?

I moved here in 2021 and I don't remember seeing any price reductions on new homes. It was a seller's market and the Villages was no lowering prices. They were selling at the asking price.

I don't think the Lake Denham/Dabney prices have hit bottom and people hate to buy when they think the prices will drop further.

It appears that the homes in Eastport are selling faster than the homes in Dabney.

Homefinder - The Villages(R) Homes and Villas for Sale (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/?new&status&lng=-81.91122696956012&lat=28.75001958176106&lvl=6)

Here in “07” houses were selling with knee deep names on every house near completion. Then again building was going to cease soon. If you didn’t buy there would be no new home for you. At that time the colony we looked at was $164,000, nothing special.

2008/2009 homes were selling interest rates were up, homes selling but not at the “07” free for all. Homes that were offered on discount were because the village was being closed out.

Same house in 2010 new build, in a neighborhood that had just started. $124,000. New villages usually only had discounts on homes that was a problem lot, or village was complete, and wanted to sell what was left, the neighborhood had maybe 100 houses, discount offered on most houses to close out neighborhood.

In those days new villages were kept close to the vest, and you didn’t have a drone flying over like today, letting you know that there were hundreds of acres eventually going to be built on.

But except for 2007, every village has had discounts on some homes, but larger discounts to close out the village.