Suggestions please, neighbor needs help

[jebartle]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,

[retiredguy123]

If he is eligible for Medicaid, he may be able to move into a nursing home. But, I don't know about the dog.

[jebartle]

If he is eligible for Medicaid, he may be able to move into a nursing home. But, I don't know about the dog.

He cannot live without his loving dog, so sad

[Taltarzac725]

What neighborhood in the Villages? Or, does it matter? You might have to rely on work-of-mouth to find the man a room in some occupied house here in the Villages. I will bet some Villagers could use the $500 a month and have a spare room. What kind of dog and how friendly and does the man have any special needs? And how friendly is the man?

[retiredguy123]

I doubt that you will find anything for $500 per month. The minimum SSI income is more than $900 per month.

[Taltarzac725]

I doubt that you will find anything for $500 per month. The minimum SSI income is more than $900 per month.

I was thinking more in the line of a Villages couple who could use the money and had a room empty,

Talk of the Villages might be a wonderful resource for getting the word out. So long as there are not any warning signs about the man or the dog.

For instance, I have home health care people coming in and always try to stick around for the first shift of any new person to see what they are like. As life is often like a box of chocolates so can be people you let into your house.

[Jayhawk]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

[Taltarzac725]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

Probably why I put in a reference to Forrest Gump - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Gump) and the box of chocolates.

[Jayhawk]

Probably why I put in a reference to Forrest Gump - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Gump) and the box of chocolates.

Sorry, I don't get the connection.

[dewilson58]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.
:beer3:

Family owns house??
Family says he can't live alone??
Family lives next door??

:shrug:

[retiredguy123]

I was thinking more in the line of a Villages couple who could use the money and had a room empty,

Talk of the Villages might be a wonderful resource for getting the word out. So long as there are not any warning signs about the man or the dog.

For instance, I have home health care people coming in and always try to stick around for the first shift of any new person to see what they are like. As life is often like a box of chocolates so can be people you let into your house.
Have you checked the room rates on Airbnb.com for The Villages? $16 per day is not even close.

[retiredguy123]

:beer3:

Family owns house??
Family says he can't live alone??
Family lives next door??

:shrug:
A significant other may not be considered part of the man's family.

[LuvNH]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

Agree, something is missing from this story. If he is really being put out on the street or made to leave the house (if it is his) he needs an elder law attorney.

[Taltarzac725]

Sorry, I don't get the connection.

You never know what kind of chocolate you are going to get in a mixed box of chocolates unless it is labelled.

[Taltarzac725]

Going to a lawyer usually ups the tension in the relationship.

We should get more information.

This might just be a kind man and a gentle dog that need a place to stay. I would think that Talk of the Villages would be a good resource for that.

[BrianL99]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

The original post is confusing, but I think they meant he's living with his significant other, whose family wants him out.

[retiredguy123]

The original post is confusing, but I think they meant he's living with his significant other, whose family wants him out.
I agree. And, the family probably wants to sell the house, which the man cannot afford to buy. But, $500 per month is not nearly enough money to be seeking housing.

[margaretmattson]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,Florida has homestead rules. A person cannot be thrown out of their home. Read the law and see if it applies.

[Taltarzac725]

The original post is confusing, but I think they meant he's living with his significant other, whose family wants him out.

That sounds right. In other words, family may be of the significant other who owns Villages' home and the man is a live-in boyfriend or something like that with few if any legal rights. And he has a pooch.

[retiredguy123]

Florida has homestead rules. A person cannot be thrown out of their home. Read the law and see if it applies.
I wouldn't need to read the rules. If the man doesn't own the house and cannot afford to pay rent, then he should move out. Otherwise, he is a squatter, for which we need stronger rules, not weaker ones.

[margaretmattson]

I wouldn't need to read the rules. If the man doesn't own the house and cannot afford to pay rent, then he should move out. Otherwise, he is a squatter, for which we need stronger rules, not weaker ones.My post was for the OP. I have no idea of his situation, married or not. I simply recommended that he read the homestead rules and see if it applies to him.

[retiredguy123]

My post was for the OP. I have no idea of his situation, married or not. I simply recommended that he read the homestead rules and see if it applies to him.
Sorry, but I assume he is not married because the OP said his "significant other" died. My post was for squatters who look for legal loopholes to occupy property that they don't own.

[jebartle]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

Let me fill in the pieces, his significant others family are executors and want him out.

His dog is a wonderful labra-doodle that loves everyone and other pets.

$500 is for rent only, remainder of ss will allow him to live.

[jebartle]

That sounds right. In other words, family may be of the significant other who owns Villages' home and the man is a live-in boyfriend or something like that with few if any legal rights. And he has a pooch.

They lived together 20 plus years, so sad.

[jebartle]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

Significant others family wants him out to sell house, they are executors

[Taltarzac725]

Significant others family wants him out to sell house, they are executors

I hope you get some nice private messages from people who might be able to help out. I have found the Villagers I have actually met for the most part good people. Some bad ones but they usually give some hints as to their true character.

[retiredguy123]

They lived together 20 plus years, so sad.
I had a friend who allowed a woman to move into his house. She took care of him for years while he was sick. When he died, his son came to The Villages and threw her out immediately and sold the house. He wouldn't even give her a friendship ring that she had given to him. You need to put something in writing.

[Topspinmo]

I take it florida has no common law marriage rules?

[Keefelane66]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,
I'm glad I have an open invitation from my kids if I ever need help.

[thelegges]

We looked at at home for sale that was same situation. She dies, daughter gave male partner of 8 years 30 days to move once estate was settled. He had a sister that lived in TV, but apparently that wasn’t on the table.

So happens more than you think.

[BrianL99]

Let me fill in the pieces, his significant others family are executors and want him out.

His dog is a wonderful labra-doodle that loves everyone and other pets.

$500 is for rent only, remainder of ss will allow him to live.


Significant others family wants him out to sell house, they are executors


I guess if you find a Sugar Momma and are gambling that she'll out-live you, it's possible to get caught on the wrong side of the curve.

just an anecdotal observation, but if they lived together for 20 years and the recently deceased didn't do anything (like give him a life estate in the home), she wasn't that concerned about what would happen when she died.

[LuvNH]

I had a friend who allowed a woman to move into his house. She took care of him for years while he was sick. When he died, his son came to The Villages and threw her out immediately and sold the house. He wouldn't even give her a friendship ring that she had given to him. You need to put something in writing.

When I read your post I really thought you were talking about a friend of mine. She was a retired nurse, he was well fixed and asked her to move in with him as housekeeper/nurse and driver. She did. When he died she was leaving his funeral and found the police waiting to arrest her. His son had called the police and told them she had stolen from him. She was not even allowed to re-enter the house and get her belongings. The son threw her "stuff" out onto the front yard for her to pick up. She nursed the guy 5 years! So the kids got a live in nurse and housekeeper for zip.

Yes, I know, one born every minute.

[retiredguy123]

When I read your post I really thought you were talking about a friend of mine. She was a retired nurse, he was well fixed and asked her to move in with him as housekeeper/nurse and driver. She did. When he died she was leaving his funeral and found the police waiting to arrest her. His son had called the police and told them she had stolen from him. She was not even allowed to re-enter the house and get her belongings. The son threw her "stuff" out onto the front yard for her to pick up. She nursed the guy 5 years! So the kids got a live in nurse and housekeeper for zip.

Yes, I know, one born every minute.
I don't think it was your friend. But, I cannot understand why some people seem to think that their children are entitled to an inheritance even if they ignore their parents and treat them badly. I don't have children, but if I did, they would need to earn an inheritance, or I would leave my money to those who helped me in my later years.

[Rainger99]

People in that situation should have a discussion so that the significant other is provided for if the owner dies first.

[Taltarzac725]

I tried to help a woman whose live-in boyfriend would not move out. Eventually he became abusive but she had to go through hell and back to get him out of there before that. It seemed he had some rights. And he might have been paying her rent as well. Or part of it.

And another woman had to move out because her boyfriend owned the house where they both had been living, They split up and she had to get out.

Both of these situations were in or near the Villages.

[Bjeanj]

Happened to man a few houses down from us a few years ago. He suddenly died, and his SO was unceremoniously kicked out of the house by his kids. She was so distraught. Nothing to be done.

[Taltarzac725]

If a reverse mortgage is involved this not much you can do if you are a surviving kid, significant other, etc. But I am not a Family Law nor Estate Attorney nor licensed in Florida.

Neighbor had to get out when both her parents had died. They had had a reverse mortgage. And the daughter did not have enough money nor the desire to buy the house.

She found a place not too far from the Villages though.

[Papa_lecki]

Florida does not recognize common-law marriages that have been established within the state after January 1, 1968. This means that if a couple meets the general conditions for a common-law marriage but has never been ceremonially married, Florida law does not consider them legally married.

[Randall55]

People in that situation should have a discussion so that the significant other is provided for if the owner dies first.Sad. All they had to do was change the title on the home. Both could be listed as single. Fees for doing this are small. No matter how much money the man has or doesn't has, he paid for a portion of the bills. Twenty years ago, homes were much cheaper. He could have been paying 50% of the bills. After 10 or 15 yrs together, they should have made better decisions.

[Number 10 GI]

Beware of letting someone rent a room in your home. In many states you can't evict the person if they fail to pay their rent without a lot of legal action and even then, it can take months to get them out. I'm not sure about Florida so it would behoove a person to check the local and state laws.

[Taltarzac725]

Beware of letting someone rent a room in your home. In many states you can't evict the person if they fail to pay their rent without a lot of legal action and even then, it can take months to get them out. I'm not sure about Florida so it would behoove a person to check the local and state laws.

Good advice.

Florida Rental Lease Agreement Template [2024] | PDF & DOC (https://ipropertymanagement.com/templates/florida-rental-agreement) I did find this but you should check with a licensed FL attorney.

[Debra Freeman]

Put all the pertinent facts such as whose name is house in etc. By the way if me is paying tent or not, one must file for an Ejection,

There are also stiff laws regarding exploitation of the elderly as well as mistreatment.

[PersonOfInterest]

Being in a long term relationship without marriage and not having any legal agreement between them was obviously not wise. You would think that those who choose a relationship without marriage would want to protect each other well being. A property agreement or drafting wills with respect of each other is not that difficult. On the other hand the relationship may have been very non-committal and in that case each would have no connection to the other's assets. Its sad that many people do not understand the complex legal system that our society imposes.

[GizmoWhiskers]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.


If the kids try to immediately boot him someone should aid him, ready to dial the police to report elderly abuse. He does have 30 days to vacate even if there is no lease by law in FL.

The man needs a lawyer comes to mind if they try to immediately boot him out on day one after death of partner. They have to evict him through court system in FL if he fails to vacate in 30 days. It is against the law to "change the locks" or remove a front door to keep him out. He legally has 30 days.

[gradnjw]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,

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[BrianL99]

Why is everyone jumping to this guy's defense, without any facts to back up that position?

He supposedly lived with this women for 20 years. She didn't see fit to protect the guy upon her passing. Call me naive, but it seems there's a message there.

For all we know, the recently deceased could have been the subject of the proverbial "elder abuse" that's always getting tossed around.

& where is this guy's family in all this? All we really know, is that apparently he's got a nice dog.

[JohnN]

Why is everyone jumping to this guy's defense, without any facts to back up that position?

He supposedly lived with this women for 20 years. She didn't see fit to protect the guy upon her passing. Call me naive, but it seems there's a message there.

For all we know, the recently deceased could have been the subject of the proverbial "elder abuse" that's always getting tossed around.

& where is this guy's family in all this? All we really know, is that apparently he's got a nice dog.

This is a forum, we don't have "all the facts". Either his partner deliberately did not want him to continue to live there - OR - she didn't want to deal with it. My wife's parents (yes, they were married) did zero estate planning and through some mishaps, their estate lost quite a bit of money to the state. They didn't plan that intentionally, they just didn't want to deal with estate planning and facing life-after-death stuff.

On a 2nd note, there is a decent looking room rental in Silver Lake area for $800/month. Over the guy's budget but something to consider, perhaps. It was on craigslist.com

[crash]

:beer3:

Family owns house??
Family says he can't live alone??
Family lives next door??

:shrug:
Significant others family inherited house and wants to sell it would be my guess.

[Goldwingnut]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,

While we don’t know the full story or all the facts, it’s obviously not a good situation for this gentleman.
Not much of a “family”, what a terrible thing to do to a member of your own family. I don’t have a solution to this gentleman’s problem but wish him the best of luck and hope he finds a new home were he will be respected and can live out his remaining days with his furry companion.
As for his “family”, they will get what’s coming to them one day…

[Lovey2]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.

I assumed it meant he was living with someone that passed and now THEIR family wants him out.

[La lamy]

As difficult as this man's situation seems, I'm huge on 'make your own way' in life unless you are absolutely incapacitated in some way. In Canada I live in my boyfriend's house right now and pay rent. If he happened to pass, his kid would inherit the house and I'd assume I was supposed to leave so they could sell it. Normal!

[BrianL99]

... Not much of a “family”, what a terrible thing to do to a member of your own family.

... As for his “family”, they will get what’s coming to them one day…


I assumed it meant he was living with someone that passed and now THEIR family wants him out.


That's exactly right, but some folks don't bother to read, they just jump in with unsubstantiated opinions or invective.

[defrey12]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,

Check with Catholic Charities (www.findhelp.org)…you do NOT have to be Catholic to enlist their services or support. A wonderful organization!

[defrey12]

Agree, something is missing from this story. If he is really being put out on the street or made to leave the house (if it is his) he needs an elder law attorney.

The way we understand it: He was living in his lady friend’s house with her. She died. He has no legal claim to the property. HER family wants the house. THEY do not want him and, thus, want him out. Very sad.

[Gpsma]

The way we understand it: He was living in his lady friend’s house with her. She died. He has no legal claim to the property. HER family wants the house. THEY do not want him and, thus, want him out. Very sad.

It is a sad situation. Even if her family were kind hearted and let him stay, he has no means to support paying the bills for that house.
The family would have to contribute to his upkeep. They have no obligation to do that.

[ChilePepper]

Is he a military veteran? There might be resources there.

[Moderator]

OP is looking for suggestions on finding living arrangements for this gentleman.

Thank you if you can help, with situation.

If not please keep your post kind, guessing why this situation happened or negative comments is not helpful for OP

[ThirdOfFive]

Pretty limited information....but from what is available I Don't see many silver linings to this particular cloud. Florida pretty much sucks when it comes to social services and mostly what they do is reactive, not proactive. Not much in "the system" here that he would be able to access. And unfortunately there are 84-year-old homeless people.

One thing I would urge strongly. Talk to a lawyer. Florida is an "equitable distribution" state which means that in the absence of a will when someone dies, or in cases where a will is contested, a judge gets to decide who gets what. There may be legal avenues available to this guy to at least get something to help sustain him in his last few years. Worth asking about, at least.

[Girlcopper]

His own family wants him gone?

Something is missing in the story.
Yep. There’s obviously a big part of the story missing

[Johncolson]

I helped an elderly man get his golf cart (dead battery) home near Chula Vista golf course. He told me the same story, it could be him. Lived with a woman for 18 years and never bothered to put his name on title. Now the woman's family wants him out in the spring. I checked Florida Common Law rules. They were taken off the books in 1968.

[MrFlorida]

Sounds like a scam, looking for donations.

[NotGolfer]

I knew of a woman this happened to. I think she had been married to the man (not 1st spouse). He died unexpectedly and hadn't made a provision for her. His kids didn't like her and kicked her out of the house. After that, I'm not sure what happened to her. Think she found a rental somewhere. Hopefully this man can find a solution to his problem. NOT many people will take on a stranger plus a dog for their spare room!!

[Cliff Fr]

Let me fill in the pieces, his significant others family are executors and want him out.

His dog is a wonderful labra-doodle that loves everyone and other pets.

$500 is for rent only, remainder of ss will allow him to live.
He would have more luck looking outside The Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

Going to a lawyer usually ups the tension in the relationship.

We should get more information.

This might just be a kind man and a gentle dog that need a place to stay. I would think that Talk of the Villages would be a good resource for that.

I am hoping that you are getting some support for the man and dog in this sad situation via Private Messages and in other ways. Good luck.

Is the man a church-goer? There might be help through the church.

[HandyGrandpap]

Agree, something is missing from this story. If he is really being put out on the street or made to leave the house (if it is his) he needs an elder law attorney.

It is worth having the dicussion with an appropriate resource. Sounds like he may have some rights based on the extend of relationship, what did he contribute financially (or not) to the relationship and home upkeep and nornal home expenses. Suggest to not rush as a crisis to evict him based on the heirs desires. Your looking at the tip of the iceberg, need to assess what is below. Keep us posted as we all wish the best outcome. Good he has your helping him

[jebartle]

sounds like a scam, looking for donations.

what?????????????? Give me a break. I'm a caregiver and have LOTS ON MY PLATE, just trying to help, NOT SCAM DONATIONS

[Eg_cruz]

What resources will help 84 yr old man, with dog, After death of significant other dies, family wants him out by March, that will house him and dog for $500 month,
Sounds like it’s not his family who is asking him to leave.
So where is his family?
I will ask around
So sad

[Taltarzac725]

what?????????????? Give me a break. I'm a caregiver and have LOTS ON MY PLATE, just trying to help, NOT SCAM DONATIONS

Illegitimi non carborundum - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum)

I frequently have had go back to this. Mainly because you rarely see kind behavior online. Unless it is on a site that only allows friendly behavior.

[jebartle]

To further explain, as stated above, I'm a caregiver, devoted to my dear husband, love him so, happened to go to pet park, hear this sad story and knew TOTV is a wonderful resource for very good listeners, who are helpful and kind with an occasional exception. I've learned that this gentleman's son is coming to TV and bring him back to Michigan and help his father adjust to his new life, God bless them all.

[LuvNH]

To further explain, as stated above, I'm a caregiver, devoted to my dear husband, love him so, happened to go to pet park, hear this sad story and knew TOTV is a wonderful resource for very good listeners, who are helpful and kind with an occasional exception. I've learned that this gentleman's son is coming to TV and bring him back to Michigan and help his father adjust to his new life, God bless them all.

Thank you for this update and (hopefully) a happy ending for this gentleman and his dog. Your post opened the door to how many elderly people get into these awful situations without thinking of legalizing their situation.

[Moderator]

As the situation appears to be resolved, the thread is now closed.