Multi Modal Path Usage - other than golf carts.

[Triker]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

[VApeople]

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles.


Who cares?

In our opinion, it is not safe to walk or ride a bike on an MMP, so we stay off of them.

We only walk or ride our bikes on paths where golf carts are forbidden.

[Davonu]

...In our opinion, it is not safe to walk or ride a bike on an MMP...
...Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles...
I've noticed neither.

[Bill14564]

I've noticed neither.

Yep. Walk on the MMPs often and bike on them occasionally. One or two problem children out there but certainly not the majority.

[Jayhawk]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.





I've never noticed it. What is your opinion?

[golfing eagles]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.


Is that statement based on a poll of say 1,000 cart owners, on consultation with a psychic, or was that just floated out there as click-bait??????

[MX rider]

Yep. Walk on the MMPs often and bike on them occasionally. One or two problem children out there but certainly not the majority.

I agree. I just went for a run on the MM path by Mallory CC. Every cart I encountered gave me plenty of space. I always thank them by giving them a wave.

There will always be a small percentage of bitter "get off my lawn" a**holes anywhere you go. Thankfully from my experience running and riding my mountain bike on the mm paths, they've been very few and far between.

[Velvet]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.

[JMintzer]

I've noticed neither.

Yep. Walk on the MMPs often and bike on them occasionally. One or two problem children out there but certainly not the majority.

I've never noticed it. What is your opinion?

Is that statement based on a poll of say 1,000 cart owners, on consultation with a psychic, or was that just floated out there as click-bait??????

I agree. I just went for a run on the MM path by Mallory CC. Every cart I encountered gave me plenty of space. I always thank them by giving them a wave.

There will always be a small percentage of bitter "get off my lawn" a**holes anywhere you go. Thankfully from my experience running and riding my mountain bike on the mm paths, they've been very few and far between.

Seems the OP is in the minority...

[eyc234]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.

Less than intelligent carts passing in a curb are the issue!

[Velvet]

Less than intelligent carts passing in a curb are the issue!

I agree, but their frustration was very evident. Long line up of carts behind them, rush hour from the rec center?

[billethkid]

20 Years walking the MMP without incident(s).

No need waste keystrokes on isolated incidents!

[Topspinmo]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.


Can someone explain to me why bikers don’t obey rules of road? Can someone explain to why walkers don’t follow Florida sunshine regulations?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

WOW, how did you all make it this far without realizing that not everyone follows rules, and not everyone is nice, and everyone makes stupid mistakes once in a while, especially when the perceived risk is small. And some people just think the world revolves around them.

Velvet's response proves the point again. . . driving cars and golf carts gets riskier as you age and add a few beverages, and especially when you get mentally distracted with other issues. . .

very dangerous out there if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[margaretmattson]

States have different rules for sharing the road. Those who come from larger cities and Europe are accustomed to aggressive driving. When in Florida, these differences is an accident waiting to happen.

If you are walking or biking, it is safer to use the trails designed solely for this purpose. Like it not, golf carts are bigger and can cause serious injury. It is not worth risking your life to a driver who has different rules in his head than you. Both are expecting the other will automatically yield. In those few, I AM RIGHT seconds, an accident is likely occur.

[tophcfa]

After many years of traveling the MMP’s in a golf cart, a bike, and walking, I have experienced everyone getting along just fine about 99% of the time. The only common issue observed is when someone feels they own the path and refuse to allow others to safely pass. This applies to all three modes of transportation, carts, bikers, and walkers. Be aware of traffic behind you, and if your holding someone else up, let them by.

[Garywt]

Golf carts are low man on the totem pole so everyone else has the right of way. Golf cart needs to slow down or even stop until it is safe to get by walkers or biker. You have to give way to oncoming traffic before passing. It is really very easy to do the right thing.

[collegeref]

Yes I have seen the
speedway empowerment.
I guess the Club talk needs to be on time or
their O Pen Yon won’t be
heard for banter that day.

[banjobob]

Is that statement based on a poll of say 1,000 cart owners, on consultation with a psychic, or was that just floated out there as click-bait??????

I think jusr click bait

[jimbomaybe]

Golf carts are low man on the totem pole so everyone else has the right of way. Golf cart needs to slow down or even stop until it is safe to get by walkers or biker. You have to give way to oncoming traffic before passing. It is really very easy to do the right thing.

The problem of course is what is the "right thing", other posts on same subject have has comments seemingly from a golf cart driver to the effect Get out out of my way you could get hurt, and disbelief that pedestrians were not required to get out of the way of golf carts, this attitude , standing on its head of responsibilities underlines the need to "watch out for the other guy "

[CarrieOn]

Good one..

[golfing eagles]

Golf carts are low man on the totem pole so everyone else has the right of way. Golf cart needs to slow down or even stop until it is safe to get by walkers or biker. You have to give way to oncoming traffic before passing. It is really very easy to do the right thing.

We can file that statement with the other often cited but completely wrong "cars always have the right of way"

First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way.

Second, the reason a golf cart must slow or stop until it is safe to pass is the same reason a car must slow or stop before passing a slower vehicle. If an e-bike going 20 encounters a cart going 15, the e-bike will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. If a world class runner encounters a slow bicycle, the pedestrian will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. No entity ALWAYS has the right of way, I wish people would stop posting that nonsense.

[Rwirish]

Always an issue.

[Andyhope]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.
No problem walkers… just walk facing traffic

[Desiderata]

After many years of traveling the MMP’s in a golf cart, a bike, and walking, I have experienced everyone getting along just fine about 99% of the time. The only common issue observed is when someone feels they own the path and refuse to allow others to safely pass. This applies to all three modes of transportation, carts, bikers, and walkers. Be aware of traffic behind you, and if your holding someone else up, let them by.

This is exactly my experience.

[Cindysum90]

Will the villages ever do anything about the new e-bikes that don’t even need to be pedaled and are riding down the path like a moped?

[Laker14]

I walk the MMPs often. There are a few cautions I observe. I walk facing traffic, and when approaching a blind curve to my left, if there is no room off of the MMP to my left due to vegetation, I look over my right shoulder for traffic behind me. When safe I cross over to the right side so I can see, and be seen by oncoming traffic. I agree that all too often someone will barrel around that being mindless to the possibility of a pedestrian.
Likewise, when driving a cart, as I approach a right hand curve, I slow down, expecting a pedestrian or even a very slow moving bicycle. When approaching a blind left hand curve in my golf cart I slow down, expecting someone to come around that turn too fast, and in my lane. I've seen it often enough to know it will happen.

I don't bike anymore, but If I did, I would stay off the MMPs myself. Too many places where there is no "out", where I could avoid the careless speeding cart. Rules are rules and too many people either don't know them, or don't care to follow them. That is true of the MMPs as well as the open roadways.
It's a shame, but it's a fact. 99.9% of the golf cart drivers are careful and courteous.
It only takes one idiot to seriously injure or kill you. Be careful.

[LoisR]

It allows them to drive above 20 mph. Unfortunately one does not have you be smart or intelligent to drive a golf cart

[Sandy and Ed]

“ The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance”….

Guess we might agree the frustration of the cart operators with the short period of time it would take the struggling bike rider is the problem. “Patience, grasshopper, patience”

[Sandy and Ed]

Will the villages ever do anything about the new e-bikes that don’t even need to be pedaled and are riding down the path like a moped?
If they are driving at or under golf cart speeds why should they be banned?? Seems to me that speed is the major factor, no???

[Bogie Shooter]

Good one..

:what:

[gobuck827]

Can someone explain to me why bikers don’t obey rules of road? Can someone explain to why walkers don’t follow Florida sunshine regulations?

Can you please explain what the "Florida sunshine regulations" are in regards to walkers?

I found plenty of references to public meetings but, not one involving walkers.

[Bill14564]

Will the villages ever do anything about the new e-bikes that don’t even need to be pedaled and are riding down the path like a moped?

There is nothing to be done. E-bikes are considered bicycles under Florida law. E-bike riders have the same rights and responsibilities as the rider of a "normal" bicycle. That is the way it should be.

[jimkerr]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Another complainer……..

[Bealman]

I have encountered a few pedestrians and bicycles at night with no light to help be seen. Please wear some lights at night so that is golf car drivers can see you. Once I see you, then I will be happy to not scare the wits out of you when I barely miss one on the MPPs. Just because you are on an MPP, doesn't mean you shouldn't make yourself visible like you were on a normal road. 500 ft is the requirement to be seen.
Statutes & Constitution
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.2065.html)

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I’ve never asked my golf cart how it feels about other users of MM paths.

[lpkruege1]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path




"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

I've seen people biking double at 12 mph or less. I've seen bike riders spaced so it isn't safe to pass. I've seen bikes riding down the center of the path. Be thoughtful of others. I do bike the paths and when I do I understand others may have someplace to be. An appointment, lunch with friends, a tee time. I keep to one side. and if carts are stacking up due to hills, curves, or single lanes, I pull off to let them pass. If I'm bike riding on the paths, I'm not in a rush. But I'd rather be considerate of others than to cause an accident that may be mine. You can be right, but you could end up hurt or dead. We don't bounce like we used to.

[Blackbird45]

I have not read all the posts and my question might have already been answered.
Other than the treadmill I'm not a walker, but what I have noticed most area do not have sidewalks and either I see people in the streets or the golf cart paths.
If they do not utilize one of these, how do they get from one place to another?

[ThirdOfFive]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.
People generally see what they want to see.

[sallyg]

Welcome to The Villages.

[coconutmama]

Another complainer……..

Free speech.

[Girlcopper]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.
So? One incident doesn’t make it a daily problem

[Black Beauty]

wear light/bright colored clothes when it is dark

[Robojo]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.

Carts have a 20 mph speed limit which is rarely adhered to.

[Robojo]

So? One incident doesn’t make it a daily problem

I understand this problem every time i use that path and its busy. Some jerky old drunk will be driving 40 mph and screaming at me to get out of his way how do I dare etc.

I stay on bike paths now.

[Velvet]

So? One incident doesn’t make it a daily problem

One direct hit and you might not get a chance to have another “daily” problem.

[Bill14564]

I understand this problem every time i use that path and its busy. Some jerky old drunk will be driving 40 mph and screaming at me to get out of his way how do I dare etc.

I stay on bike paths now.

We made it! Reports of carts doing 40mph now! I wonder how long before we hear about carts going 45mph.

[Bill14564]

One direct hit and you might not get a chance to have another “daily” problem.

I keep looking up for satellites falling out of orbit or blue ice falling from airplanes. I know it's not a daily problem but one direct hit and.....

[Velvet]

I keep looking up for satellites falling out of orbit or blue ice falling from airplanes. I know it's not a daily problem but one direct hit and.....

I wish the probabilities were the same….

[Dond1959]

I used to ride a regular bike (not electric) on the MMPs. I would average about 18.5 mph on my rides of 1.5 hours. I had multiple lights on front and back. I did occasionally pass a slow cart. I had mirrors to see if who was coming behind me. Unfortunately it just got too scary out there with cart drivers not paying attention or on their phones. I had several close calls over a few months and decided it wasn’t worth the risk as shown by bikers being hit and seriously injured. I was out there trying to have a healthy lifestyle and to be hit and disabled for life didn’t seem like a good trade off.

So now I am on my Peloton in my house where I am warm or cool depending on the season. Patience is the key for cart drivers, but do bikers and walkers really want to depend on cart drivers who maybe can’t see really well and have slow reactions? I just wouldn’t bet my life on it.

[robinsdw2]

In the 18 yrs we lived in TV this was the most contentious issue and it’s all because people seem to feel entitled and angry. When we first moved there everyone would wave when meeting them and when we left folks would rather give you the middle finger than wave or speak. The attitudes became harsh as so many folks seem to think that nobody should have rules and now this attitude is prevalent across our country. So sad, neighbors don’t even know each other in most cases.

[MX rider]

I used to ride a regular bike (not electric) on the MMPs. I would average about 18.5 mph on my rides of 1.5 hours. I had multiple lights on front and back. I did occasionally pass a slow cart. I had mirrors to see if who was coming behind me. Unfortunately it just got too scary out there with cart drivers not paying attention or on their phones. I had several close calls over a few months and decided it wasn’t worth the risk as shown by bikers being hit and seriously injured. I was out there trying to have a healthy lifestyle and to be hit and disabled for life didn’t seem like a good trade off.

So now I am on my Peloton in my house where I am warm or cool depending on the season. Patience is the key for cart drivers, but do bikers and walkers really want to depend on cart drivers who maybe can’t see really well and have slow reactions? I just wouldn’t bet my life on it.

You're right, it can be sketchy on the mm on a bike, once in a while. It doesn't seem too bad in our area. I run the mm more than I bike. I'd rather ride in the dirt at Santos, much safer.

But as I said in a previous post, the vast majority of cart drivers I see are courteous.

We've been avid Peloton riders for about 3 years. We're snowbirds, so we have one here and in Indiana. lol. Great way to workout!

[tophcfa]

Golf carts are low man on the totem pole so everyone else has the right of way. Golf cart needs to slow down or even stop until it is safe to get by walkers or biker. You have to give way to oncoming traffic before passing. It is really very easy to do the right thing.

There seems to be much debate and inconsistency regarding the local laws as to who has rights of way in various situations. I prefer to use common sense and follow a much less ambiguous law, the law of physics. I get out of the way of anything bigger and/or going faster. I don’t want to be the person lying in a hospital bed saying, “but I had the right of way”.

[SHIBUMI]

Biker Immunity! Self determination of when a stop is needed or not. We may have to take this one to the Supreme Court. Then again,
it may take some time and the biker may have some people beholding to them on it.

[jump4]

Is that statement based on a poll of say 1,000 cart owners, on consultation with a psychic, or was that just floated out there as click-bait??????

Why such mean comments?

[rherb55]

Who cares?

In our opinion, it is not safe to walk or ride a bike on an MMP, so we stay off of them.

We only walk or ride our bikes on paths where golf carts are forbidden.

And where would that be ???? On a sidewalk…

[Topspinmo]

Can you please explain what the "Florida sunshine regulations" are in regards to walkers?

I found plenty of references to public meetings but, not one involving walkers.

Look up walking rules in Florida.

Basically walk facing traffic on left edge of road. Only have right way in marked crosswalks unless vehicle can not stop in time before you step in path. when crossing street 90 degree path. Walking two abreast on any street or path where other vehicles preside hogging the path road not sharing it. Even walking on walking trail two or more abreast when walkers or bikers coming hogging the path. Common sense, Safety, and curiosity works both ways.

[Topspinmo]

Seems golf cart out or control posts are as popular as dog poop threads. Pops up every few weeks.

[JMintzer]

In the 18 yrs we lived in TV this was the most contentious issue and it’s all because people seem to feel entitled and angry. When we first moved there everyone would wave when meeting them and when we left folks would rather give you the middle finger than wave or speak. The attitudes became harsh as so many folks seem to think that nobody should have rules and now this attitude is prevalent across our country. So sad, neighbors don’t even know each other in most cases.

And my case is the polar opposite. We moved in 3 years ago, know almost all of our neighbors, and everyone gives the "Villages Wave" when we pass by...

[Topspinmo]

And where would that be ???? On a sidewalk…

In newer Southern areas they have walking biking paths only.

[Topspinmo]

And my case is the polar opposite. We moved in 3 years ago, know almost all of our neighbors, and everyone gives the "Villages Wave" when we pass by...

Use to do that now rarely get wave back. So I’m protesting and only wave if get wave. Waving matters….:sigh:

[Two Bills]

My wife and I walked miles on MMP's for many years without problem, as we looked out for our own safety.
What others did or didn't do was their problem.
Nowhere is 100% safe, but using just a bit of common sense, keeps the survival odds in your favor.
Look after No.1 and admire the carnage as you stroll by!

[Laker14]

Why such mean comments?

Things always get snarky on TOTV when it rains.

[Topspinmo]

Why such mean comments?

Maybe cause when somebody not watching where they’re going and almost gets hit they have to post golf carts out of control on MMP. It’s two way street and always will be:throwtomatoes:

[golfing eagles]

Why such mean comments?

Mean????? The OP threw that garbage out against the wall, it is pretty much mandatory that someone call him on it.

[jimjamuser]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.
Something mental happened to people after Covid. They started driving faster and often going through stop signs. I am NOT surprised that pedestrians are in danger on the multi-use paths. During Covid, the roads had less traffic so drivers got used to speeding and reckless driving. They are STILL doing that. Police need to take charge and take back both roads and the multi-use paths.

[jimjamuser]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.
One problem is that many golf carts have a top speed of 20 MPH, but some drivers are NOT satisfied and jack up their governor to (say) 30 MPH. The end result is NO surprise.......there is a lot of passing. The Village Police should determine a top speed and then FORCE compliance Compliance with safety is WHAT Police do (ideally). Maybe the MMPs should have passing lanes in key spots like before a blind curve?

[jimjamuser]

No problem walkers… just walk facing traffic
I do it that way. Big deal if I have to walk on the grass sometimes as the carts pass. The grass does NOT bite.

[jimjamuser]

I walk the MMPs often. There are a few cautions I observe. I walk facing traffic, and when approaching a blind curve to my left, if there is no room off of the MMP to my left due to vegetation, I look over my right shoulder for traffic behind me. When safe I cross over to the right side so I can see, and be seen by oncoming traffic. I agree that all too often someone will barrel around that being mindless to the possibility of a pedestrian.
Likewise, when driving a cart, as I approach a right hand curve, I slow down, expecting a pedestrian or even a very slow moving bicycle. When approaching a blind left hand curve in my golf cart I slow down, expecting someone to come around that turn too fast, and in my lane. I've seen it often enough to know it will happen.

I don't bike anymore, but If I did, I would stay off the MMPs myself. Too many places where there is no "out", where I could avoid the careless speeding cart. Rules are rules and too many people either don't know them, or don't care to follow them. That is true of the MMPs as well as the open roadways.
It's a shame, but it's a fact. 99.9% of the golf cart drivers are careful and courteous.
It only takes one idiot to seriously injure or kill you. Be careful.
Very true, but there is also the factor that some carts have set their top speed higher than 20 MPH.

[JMintzer]

Very true, but there is also the factor that some carts have set their top speed higher than 20 MPH.

My car can go well over 100 mph... Yet, I rarely go over 75-80... Something must be wrong with my car...

[gorillarick]

Walkers/joggers/runners should walk facing traffic. If you can't pass them (safely) without giving 3 or more feet clearance, then you should WAIT. Sorry hot cart Joe.

Bicycles have the right to the entire lane - Florida LAW - same applies for in the streets.
Many (including me) move to the right to aid passing carts and faster vehicles.
*If I don't move to the right, you should not be passing because there is another vehicle or limited visibility ahead.*
When passing, you should completely move to the left lane giving the bike or pedestrian maximum safety while passing - just like you'd do on HIGHWAY 42 when passing another car.

Be courteous and cautious (safe). Give others as much room as possible.

When the lanes split (single file around vegetation and such), you should not pass.
Reason: there is not 3-feet of clearance as required by FLORIDA LAW.
Sure, the pedestrian can courteously step off the pavement. A bicycle usually cannot for safety and stability reasons.

Please Share Courteously

I bet Tiger Woods doesn't drive like a p-off maniac when going to golf.
I laugh as I think how it screws-up your game.

[jimjamuser]

Mean????? The OP threw that garbage out against the wall, it is pretty much mandatory that someone call him on it.
This subject has gone for 5 pages. So, that shows reasonable interest. Some subjects end up only 1 or 2 pages long. Plus this subject involves SAFETY. New residents might want the opinions of veteran residents on the safety of the MMPs. Many people responding thought that it was a SINCERE question.

[kcrazorbackfan]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

I have 20k miles on my 4y/o cart so I’m on the MMP’s a lot; I don’t have a problem with pedestrians or cyclists; what I do have an issue with is the idiot pedestrians who cannot grasp the concept of walking against oncoming carts or bikes and also those who decide to walk at zero dark thirty with dark clothing on with no lights or reflectors.

[golfing eagles]

This subject has gone for 5 pages. So, that shows reasonable interest. Some subjects end up only 1 or 2 pages long. Plus this subject involves SAFETY. New residents might want the opinions of veteran residents on the safety of the MMPs. Many people responding thought that it was a SINCERE question.

I might have considered it a serious question as well, until it ended with "it's not that difficult", implying the OP already had some knowledge of the subject.

[kansasr]

One problem is that many golf carts have a top speed of 20 MPH, but some drivers are NOT satisfied and jack up their governor to (say) 30 MPH. The end result is NO surprise.......there is a lot of passing. The Village Police should determine a top speed and then FORCE compliance Compliance with safety is WHAT Police do (ideally). Maybe the MMPs should have passing lanes in key spots like before a blind curve?

Uh, there is no VILLAGE POLICE. You won't see the Sheriff enforcing anything on the MMP's and while many years ago you'd hear about people getting caught with a golf cart that could exceed 20mph, I haven't heard anything in years.

[jimjamuser]

I might have considered it a serious question as well, until it ended with "it's not that difficult", implying the OP already had some knowledge of the subject.
I can't say for sure. I try to take people as sincere until proven otherwise. The last part could be meaningful. It might not be sincere?

[dnobles]

Please walk facing traffic and ride your bike with the traffic. Thank you

[jimjamuser]

Uh, there is no VILLAGE POLICE. You won't see the Sheriff enforcing anything on the MMP's and while many years ago you'd hear about people getting caught with a golf cart that could exceed 20mph, I haven't heard anything in years.
I did hear about ONE (only one in a long time) fine for an altered governor in a Golf Cart. Technically, I'm sure you are correct about no actual Villages Police. I remember years ago seeing Police officers at the Squares, so I guess that I assumed that The Villages NEEDED a quick reacting Police Force because of the combination of older, easily manipulated residents that have money or jewelry on them. Plus the alcohol consumption would make them vulnerable to pick-pockets and car thieves and etc. That was just logical to me.
........I still don't see the point of changing pretty flowers every few months on the round-abouts. I often see pot-holes stay unfixed for many weeks. To me, there seems to be more concern with looking nice and impressive. Yet, maybe, the Police are completely lacking. I can't even see how that could be possible. My home town in Pa. had 60,000 residents when I grew up and on Saturday and Thursday when the town businesses stayed open until 9 pm. Beat Policemen were walking the streets and checking parking meters and just maintaining order and a presence. And there was almost zero crime back then, yet the Police seemed ready to handle any emergency. The US steel mill there may have provided a lot of tax money for Police.
........The Villages has smarter residents and better homes on average than my home town. Maybe I am wrong, but just on face value, it seems to me that Village residents are not as safe because of the Police as I would expect. The fire department and ambulance capability seems pretty impressive. I just don't see many Police vehicles.
......... Call them Village Police or county Sheriffs or whatever? I hope that I am wrong if a real disaster ever happens.

[fdpaq0580]

Less than intelligent carts passing in a curb are the issue!

To paraphrase a gun related line. Carts don't cause problems, idiots in carts cause problems! Cart safety is only as safe as the driver. Nice folks share the MMPs. Jerks think they own it. Everyone stops for the Sandhill cranes. Can we be that nice for other humans?

[golfing eagles]

I can't say for sure. I try to take people as sincere until proven otherwise. The last part could be meaningful. It might not be sincere?

Maybe. On the other hand, 6 pages and no sign of the OP returning to the thread.

[fdpaq0580]

Maybe. On the other hand, 6 pages and no sign of the OP returning to the thread.

So what? We don't need him! Look at all the fun we've had without him.

[Topspinmo]

Something mental happened to people after Covid. They started driving faster and often going through stop signs. I am NOT surprised that pedestrians are in danger on the multi-use paths. During Covid, the roads had less traffic so drivers got used to speeding and reckless driving. They are STILL doing that. Police need to take charge and take back both roads and the multi-use paths.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

[Raywatkins]

In 8 years only 4 incidents.
I misjudged an overtake in my cart. Apologies to the other cart for the near miss.
A cart came round a bend too fast on a wet surface and came across my side. I had to brake hard and slid round in almost a 180. No apology.
Twice on my bike i strayed a bit too far over towards the middle and got overtaken too close by a cart.
Seems like we all make the odd mistake. Perhaps a bit more understanding and tolerance is needed.

[jimbomaybe]

We can file that statement with the other often cited but completely wrong "cars always have the right of way"

First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way.

Second, the reason a golf cart must slow or stop until it is safe to pass is the same reason a car must slow or stop before passing a slower vehicle. If an e-bike going 20 encounters a cart going 15, the e-bike will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. If a world class runner encounters a slow bicycle, the pedestrian will be the one to slow or stop until it is safe to pass. No entity ALWAYS has the right of way, I wish people would stop posting that nonsense.

"
First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way."
Right of way is implicit in that statement , you are to yield the right of way to someone who has a greater claim to it , right of way certainly and of course does not mean you are certainly right in your actions , a whole host of factors can contribute to the how and why of any accidental encounter ,an accident with serious results oftimes end up being put under a microscope in criminal /civil proceedings to determine who did what and what percentage of "blame"

[nick demis]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

[Velvet]

"
First of all, the law does not state who has the right of way, it specifies who must yield the right of way."
Right of way is implicit in that statement , you are to yield the right of way to someone who has a greater claim to it , right of way certainly and of course does not mean you are certainly right in your actions , a whole host of factors can contribute to the how and why of any accidental encounter ,an accident with serious results oftimes end up being put under a microscope in criminal /civil proceedings to determine who did what and what percentage of "blame"

I agree and nearly always, each party gets a certain percentage of the blame.

[Velvet]

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

Yes, it’s silly I know, but sometimes the slow cart drivers speed up, not to irritate the passing cart, but because they just realized they were going too slow. In any case, they should let the cart pass easily. Same sometimes happens on the highway with cars.

[golfing eagles]

Sorry to disagree with your misconception. Golf cart drivers have nothing against pedestrians of bicycles. What they disapprove of is pedestrians that walk on the wrong side of the path or walk abreast when a cart approaches. As for bicyclist. there are too many of them that think they own the mmp's. Maybe some consideration on their part would go a long way. What is worse yet is the golf cart drivers that think the whole world has to wait for them. If you are going slower than someone behind you be courteous and put your directional on, slow down and let them pass you. worst yet is the driver that holds you up and then when you try to pass them, they speed up. You would think age brings wisdom, but it doesn't appear to be the case for drivers, both gold cart and automobile, in the villages.

You bring up a very valid point---I don't know how many times I've gone to pass a cart going 15 or a car going 25 on BV, only to have them speed up to about 25 and 50 respectively as I was passing. Not only is this dangerous, and for some with the wrong temperament incite road rage, especially those that carry, but is 100% against the law

Florida statues 316.083 sec 5&6:

(5) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle must give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and must not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
(6) A person who violates this section commits a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[Bogie Shooter]

I did hear about ONE (only one in a long time) fine for an altered governor in a Golf Cart. Technically, I'm sure you are correct about no actual Villages Police. I remember years ago seeing Police officers at the Squares, so I guess that I assumed that The Villages NEEDED a quick reacting Police Force because of the combination of older, easily manipulated residents that have money or jewelry on them. Plus the alcohol consumption would make them vulnerable to pick-pockets and car thieves and etc. That was just logical to me.
........I still don't see the point of changing pretty flowers every few months on the round-abouts. I often see pot-holes stay unfixed for many weeks. To me, there seems to be more concern with looking nice and impressive. Yet, maybe, the Police are completely lacking. I can't even see how that could be possible. My home town in Pa. had 60,000 residents when I grew up and on Saturday and Thursday when the town businesses stayed open until 9 pm. Beat Policemen were walking the streets and checking parking meters and just maintaining order and a presence. And there was almost zero crime back then, yet the Police seemed ready to handle any emergency. The US steel mill there may have provided a lot of tax money for Police.
........The Villages has smarter residents and better homes on average than my home town. Maybe I am wrong, but just on face value, it seems to me that Village residents are not as safe because of the Police as I would expect. The fire department and ambulance capability seems pretty impressive. I just don't see many Police vehicles.
......... Call them Village Police or county Sheriffs or whatever? I hope that I am wrong if a real disaster ever happens.

Technically? No actually. There is no Villages police force.

Your assumption that a quick acting police force was needed……was wrong.

Flowers are changed by the District, potholes are fixed by the county. ???

“Yet maybe police are completely lacking” . What are you basing this statement on?

You say real disaster. What do you mean?

Your post, to me, is just a lot of fear mongering.

[golfing eagles]

Technically? No actually. There is no Villages police force.

Your assumption that a quick acting police force was needed……was wrong.

Flowers are changed by the District, potholes are fixed by the county. ???

“Yet maybe police are completely lacking” . What are you basing this statement on?

You say real disaster. What do you mean?

Your post, to me, is just a lot of fear.

No, I think that poster's post is just a continuation of his continued diatribe of "more police, more traffic enforcement and more tickets" in his Orwellian nightmare version of The Villages.

[Bill14564]

Yes, it’s silly I know, but sometimes the slow cart drivers speed up, not to irritate the passing cart, but because they just realized they were going too slow. In any case, they should let the cart pass easily. Same sometimes happens on the highway with cars.

At least part of the time the fault is with the perception of the person attempting the pass. My wife recounted an incident just recently where a cart was following closely behind her down one of the diamond lanes. The cart finally pulled out to pass but was taking a long time to get by. While they were in the process of passing, a car came up behind them and the driver expressed his displeasure that the cart was blocking the driving lane.

Perhaps to the driver of the other cart it seemed like my wife had sped up as he attempted to pass. That was certainly not the case as she, like most others, drives with the pedal on the floor. The other driver thought she was going to slow, thought he was much faster, and perhaps thought she sped up but all were incorrect.

Of course, the other happens too, but it is not always the case.

[Bealman]

I do it that way. Big deal if I have to walk on the grass sometimes as the carts pass. The grass does NOT bite.

But the Noseeums sure do bite.....

[golfing eagles]

At least part of the time the fault is with the perception of the person attempting the pass. My wife recounted an incident just recently where a cart was following closely behind her down one of the diamond lanes. The cart finally pulled out to pass but was taking a long time to get by. While they were in the process of passing, a car came up behind them and the driver expressed his displeasure that the cart was blocking the driving lane.

Perhaps to the driver of the other cart it seemed like my wife had sped up as he attempted to pass. That was certainly not the case as she, like most others, drives with the pedal on the floor. The other driver thought she was going to slow, thought he was much faster, and perhaps thought she sped up but all were incorrect.

Of course, the other happens too, but it is not always the case.

OK, that could happen. But in reality, the other 99,99% of the time the cart or car IS going too slow. So, if it speeds up, it is violating 316.083 sec 5

[Bill14564]

OK, that could happen. But in reality, the other 99,99% of the time the cart or car IS going too slow. So, if it speeds up, it is violating 316.083 sec 5

No question about that. Just pointing out *sometimes* the problem is the guy staring back in the mirror.

[fdpaq0580]

At least part of the time the fault is with the perception of the person attempting the pass. My wife recounted an incident just recently where a cart was following closely behind her down one of the diamond lanes. The cart finally pulled out to pass but was taking a long time to get by. While they were in the process of passing, a car came up behind them and the driver expressed his displeasure that the cart was blocking the driving lane.

Perhaps to the driver of the other cart it seemed like my wife had sped up as he attempted to pass. That was certainly not the case as she, like most others, drives with the pedal on the floor. The other driver thought she was going to slow, thought he was much faster, and perhaps thought she sped up but all were incorrect.

Of course, the other happens too, but it is not always the case.

Where isit written that carts are to be driven "pedal to the metal"?
I your scenario, the cart that thought he could pass obviously couldn't since he was already traveling at max speed. His impatience put both at risk of exactly what happened. Never pass unless you are sure you can do it quickly and safely.
Secondly. While your wife had every right to continue without varying her speed, by not slowing down when someone tries to pass, she showed poor judgment from a safety standpoint. She could have easily taken foot off the accelerator for a few seconds to let "Mr/Ms Foolishly Impatient" get past.
This was a case where both parties showed poor judgment. Immho.

[jimjamuser]

Technically? No actually. There is no Villages police force.

Your assumption that a quick acting police force was needed……was wrong.

Flowers are changed by the District, potholes are fixed by the county. ???

“Yet maybe police are completely lacking” . What are you basing this statement on?

You say real disaster. What do you mean?

Your post, to me, is just a lot of fear mongering.
What I mean by a real disaster is if the gun violence we see on TV every week came to The Village. Suppose 2 shooters killed 20 people at one of the squares. And if that did happen, it would prove that I was NOT wrong about the need for some kind of fast acting Police force. I don't care if they are called Sheriffs or Police force as long as they react quickly and keep people safe around The Villages.
..........There are also a lot of high tech Police equipment - like drones that could improve safety in The Villages.

[jimjamuser]

What I mean by a real disaster is if the gun violence we see on TV every week came to The Village. Suppose 2 shooters killed 20 people at one of the squares. And if that did happen, it would prove that I was NOT wrong about the need for some kind of fast acting Police force. I don't care if they are called Sheriffs or Police force as long as they react quickly and keep people safe around The Villages.
..........There are also a lot of high tech Police equipment - like drones that could improve safety in The Villages.

[Topspinmo]

This subject has gone for 5 pages. So, that shows reasonable interest. Some subjects end up only 1 or 2 pages long. Plus this subject involves SAFETY. New residents might want the opinions of veteran residents on the safety of the MMPs. Many people responding thought that it was a SINCERE question.


The last 20 posts about same subject went 5 pages or more with same opinions.

[fdpaq0580]

OK, that could happen. But in reality, the other 99,99% of the time the cart or car IS going too slow. So, if it speeds up, it is violating 316.083 sec 5

99.99%? Really? I think you might be a wee bit high.
What is "going too slow"? Slower than someone with a souped up cart? Someone slowing down to make a turn or negotiate a curve or some other obstacle?
"Too slow " is a matter of opinion. The opinion of one who wants to go fast. Re-think 99.99%, please.

[Bill14564]

Where isit written that carts are to be driven "pedal to the metal"?
I your scenario, the cart that thought he could pass obviously couldn't since he was already traveling at max speed. His impatience put both at risk of exactly what happened. Never pass unless you are sure you can do it quickly and safely.
Secondly. While your wife had every right to continue without varying her speed, by not slowing down when someone tries to pass, she showed poor judgment from a safety standpoint. She could have easily taken foot off the accelerator for a few seconds to let "Mr/Ms Foolishly Impatient" get past.
This was a case where both parties showed poor judgment. Immho.

I disagree. I am, in fact, entitled to maintain speed and continue traveling regardless of whether someone is attempting to pass or not.

Nowhere is it written that one must drive "pedal to the metal." What *is* written is that golf carts can travel at a speed not to exceed 20mph. In the case of my cart, "pedal to the metal" does not exceed 20mph and is therefore a perfectly acceptable technique.

Except for two very specific cases, my driving technique is not dictated by the driver behind me. If someone feels they should pass me then let them. I will not increase my speed, that is illegal and unsafe, but I am under no obligation to decrease my speed either. If the driver attempting to pass misjudged, the responsibility for correcting that misjudgment sits with him, not me.

Two specific cases: 1. If I am in the leftmost lane and a faster car is approaching from behind then I must move to the right. 2. If an emergency vehicle with lights or siren is approaching from behind then I must pull to the nearest curb and stop.

Obvious: I must take all necessary actions to avoid an accident. However, I am under no obligation to assist another driver in correcting his mistake.

[golfing eagles]

99.99%? Really? I think you might be a wee bit high.
What is "going too slow"? Slower than someone with a souped up cart? Someone slowing down to make a turn or negotiate a curve or some other obstacle?
"Too slow " is a matter of opinion. The opinion of one who wants to go fast. Re-think 99.99%, please.

Rethought it. 99.98% :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Too slow-----probably less than 17 in a cart, 5-10 mph below speed limit in a car

Those going 19 seem to irritate those who have carts capable of 25, but too bad. If you do the math, the difference between 19 and 25 over a 3 mile trip is only about 2.2 minute difference, IF it were a straightaway without stops, curves, road crossing, etc. In reality a cart going 20 averages 15.5, and a cart capable of going 25 averages about 17.5. This makes the difference only 45-50 seconds, and the cart going 19 is not going to end up in court

[kansasr]

The last 20 posts about same subject went 5 pages or more with same opinions.

We need a new category here "Topics that have been beat to death, but someone new has an opinion."

[fdpaq0580]

Rethought it. 99.98% :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:



Glad to see you correct your estimation to a much more acceptable level. Thank you, so much. 🙃

[fdpaq0580]

We need a new category here "Topics that have been beat to death, but someone new has an opinion."

Just like a good BM, a good rant can make you feel great.

[Laker14]

In 8 years only 4 incidents.
I misjudged an overtake in my cart. Apologies to the other cart for the near miss.
A cart came round a bend too fast on a wet surface and came across my side. I had to brake hard and slid round in almost a 180. No apology.
Twice on my bike i strayed a bit too far over towards the middle and got overtaken too close by a cart.
Seems like we all make the odd mistake. Perhaps a bit more understanding and tolerance is needed.

Excellent post.
We all make mistakes. I have never been in an accident, and I have never been ticketed for a moving violation, in 55 years of driving.
However, that does not mean I've never screwed up. I have been lucky a few times, and bailed out by defensive drivers a few times. Times when I owe my clean record to someone else who was being more careful, and more alert than I was.

I have also bailed out a few others, because at that particular moment I was being careful and alert, which I usually am when driving. But nobody is perfect.

Be careful, be cautious, be alert, and try to be courteous as well.

[fdpaq0580]

I disagree. I am, in fact, entitled to maintain speed and continue traveling regardless of whether someone is attempting to pass or not.

Nowhere is it written that one must drive "pedal to the metal." What *is* written is that golf carts can travel at a speed not to exceed 20mph. In the case of my cart, "pedal to the metal" does not exceed 20mph and is therefore a perfectly acceptable technique.

Except for two very specific cases, my driving technique is not dictated by the driver behind me. If someone feels they should pass me then let them. I will not increase my speed, that is illegal and unsafe, but I am under no obligation to decrease my speed either. If the driver attempting to pass misjudged, the responsibility for correcting that misjudgment sits with him, not me.

Two specific cases: 1. If I am in the leftmost lane and a faster car is approaching from behind then I must move to the right. 2. If an emergency vehicle with lights or siren is approaching from behind then I must pull to the nearest curb and stop.

Obvious: I must take all necessary actions to avoid an accident. However, I am under no obligation to assist another driver in correcting his mistake.

If you re-read my post, you will see that in essence we agree. Though you are under no obligation to aid someone who misjudged their ability to pass, for the sake of safety and courtesy, easing off the throttle might make a lot of sense. They will thank you instead of cursing you, and you show yourself to be the bigger person. Letting someone pass in no way makes you a loser.

[Bill14564]

If you re-read my post, you will see that in essence we agree.
I see that now. I overlooked that sentence.

Though you are under no obligation to aid someone who misjudged their ability to pass, for the sake of safety and courtesy, easing off the throttle might make a lot of sense. They will thank you instead of cursing you, and you show yourself to be the bigger person. Letting someone pass in no way makes you a loser.

Tough sometimes to tell the difference between being courteous, being a sucker, and being an enabler.

[Bogie Shooter]

We need a new category here "Topics that have been beat to death, but someone new has an opinion."

….that doesn’t read previous posts.

[Bogie Shooter]

What I mean by a real disaster is if the gun violence we see on TV every week came to The Village. Suppose 2 shooters killed 20 people at one of the squares. And if that did happen, it would prove that I was NOT wrong about the need for some kind of fast acting Police force. I don't care if they are called Sheriffs or Police force as long as they react quickly and keep people safe around The Villages.
..........There are also a lot of high tech Police equipment - like drones that could improve safety in The Villages.

Recent shooting in KC, 900+ police officers on duty. And at least 2 people who had, but shouldn’t have had guns, start shooting. My guess all capable officers….but they can’t be every six feet..
Does the local sheriff’s office have drones? I don’t know do you?
improve safety…..is it bad?

Your assumptions don’t make sense…..

[HORNET]

This used to be a friendly place, got too big, and some think that they entitled. Just learn to watch you back!

[fdpaq0580]

I see that now. I overlooked that sentence.



Tough sometimes to tell the difference between being courteous, being a sucker, and being an enabler.

Personally, I'd rather have the pushy ones in front where I can keep an eye on them. I consider that as enabling myself. 😉

[Vermilion Villager]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Didn't we just do this last week?:rant-rave:

[fdpaq0580]

Didn't we just do this last week?:rant-rave:

Yeah! Ain't it great! Such fun!

[jswirs]

When i see these post I just cannot understand what the problem is. I have used those paths on my bicycle almost every day for over a year. Never had even the hint of a problem.

[Girlcopper]

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.
So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it

[CoachKandSportsguy]

So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it

Let me rephrase this quote for you:

Yes, part of the life in the villages now is that Villagers are no longer rules following / courteous citizens, but now entitled to do whatever they want, regressed to early teenager years, because now society owes them after they had to put up with a job and social responsibility, so shut up, have patience, or stay out of TV. .

is that about right? As Velvet was performing her part as you describe, but not the other a$$holes. .

[MX rider]

[QUOTE=Girlcopper;2302668]So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it[/QUOTE

Pretty much sums it up. I would add be courteous as well.

[golfing eagles]

Here's the bottom line on MMPs as I see it:

The only time any issue can arise is when a faster entity wants to pass a slower entity. This is a natural consequence of mixing golf carts and e-bikes that are doing 20 (+), bicycles that are riding anywhere from 5-20, and pedestrians at 3-4.

Since these are narrow 2 "lane" paths, a faster entity will often encounter a slower one. There is nothing wrong with passing the slower entity SAFELY. This means pass on a straight section with good visibility of oncoming traffic, giving enough room, and not passing when approaching a blind curve. It is also incumbent upon the entity getting passed not to speed up or doing anything else to impede the passing vehicle. All too often there are "parade leaders" that want to be first at 15 mph but don't want to be passed. We see it all the time on roads with cart lanes as a cart will speed through a stop sign cutting off an approaching cart and then lollygag at 14 mph. It is also incumbent on pedestrians to walk single file when getting passed, although ideally they should walk facing traffic. And cyclists need to move to the right side of the path rather than trying to dictate where and when they will "allow" a faster vehicle to pass---they are not traffic cops, no matter what they think.

But finally, and most importantly, IF IT IS NOT SAFE to pass, be patient, you will get an opportunity. Yes, you may lose 30 or 45 seconds, but save a life, possibly your own, in the process.

[ernpertuc]

I have walked probably a thousand miles on the MMP's. I always make sure I have a bail out and take care to "be seen" on blind curves. Most folks are nice. They will slow down or move over and some have just stopped. I did have one individual stop and yell at me with the old, "You are not supposed to walk here!" When I responded "Since when!" and turned to look at him, he took off.

Most of all when walking make sure you are safe and be ready to move. I always watch the inside front wheel. If it is pointed at me I need to move. If I can walk off the MMP, even if just a bit, then I do when it is busy. Watch out for paths in front of gates ( cars and carts) as well as tunnels. Stay as far left on the tunnels as you can. I always walk on the left hand side to see on coming traffic.

When in my cart I am always watching for bikes, and walkers. If we have too, we stop and wait. Patience is the clue here. There are a lot of speed racers in The Villages and on numerous occasions marvel at how well some recover from a 2 wheel curve. It is actually a miracle more people are not hurt on the MMP's. Most of those who hurt are are in carts and hit things that are not moving.

It is always an adventure! There are a lot of sidewalks in The Villages where I live so some times I just op for safety.

[fdpaq0580]

Here's the bottom line on MMPs as I see it:

The only time any issue can arise is when a faster entity wants to pass a slower entity. This is a natural consequence of mixing golf carts and e-bikes that are doing 20 (+), bicycles that are riding anywhere from 5-20, and pedestrians at 3-4.

Since these are narrow 2 "lane" paths, a faster entity will often encounter a slower one. There is nothing wrong with passing the slower entity SAFELY. This means pass on a straight section with good visibility of oncoming traffic, giving enough room, and not passing when approaching a blind curve. It is also incumbent upon the entity getting passed not to speed up or doing anything else to impede the passing vehicle. All too often there are "parade leaders" that want to be first at 15 mph but don't want to be passed. We see it all the time on roads with cart lanes as a cart will speed through a stop sign cutting off an approaching cart and then lollygag at 14 mph. It is also incumbent on pedestrians to walk single file when getting passed, although ideally they should walk facing traffic. And cyclists need to move to the right side of the path rather than trying to dictate where and when they will "allow" a faster vehicle to pass---they are not traffic cops, no matter what they think.

But finally, and most importantly, IF IT IS NOT SAFE to pass, be patient, you will get an opportunity. Yes, you may lose 30 or 45 seconds, but save a life, possibly your own, in the process.

Well said! 2 thumbs up!

[jimjamuser]

I agree, but their frustration was very evident. Long line up of carts behind them, rush hour from the rec center?
Sounds like they need a passing lane.

[jimjamuser]

Recent shooting in KC, 900+ police officers on duty. And at least 2 people who had, but shouldn’t have had guns, start shooting. My guess all capable officers….but they can’t be every six feet..
Does the local sheriff’s office have drones? I don’t know do you?
improve safety…..is it bad?

Your assumptions don’t make sense…..
I would NOT call them assumptions.They are the answers to the questions that I was asked about.

[fdpaq0580]

Sounds like they need a passing lane.

In my experience, impatient people won't wait for a passing lane. They want to go NOW!
But it is a nice thought. Kind of like locking your doors only keeps honest people honest.

[Topspinmo]

We made it! Reports of carts doing 40mph now! I wonder how long before we hear about carts going 45mph.

I clocked several LSVs par carts and star carts at around 38 mph. Going up B/V. I was doing my civic duty while also breaking the posted speed limit. Which re-enforces my theory nobody licenses golf cart to go extra 5 miles per hour. They do it so they can go 35 plus. :evil6:

[fdpaq0580]

I clocked several LSVs par carts and star carts at around 38 mph. Going up B/V. I was doing my civic duty while also breaking the posted speed limit. Which re-enforces my theory nobody licenses golf cart to go extra 5 miles per hour. They do it so they can go 35 plus. :evil6:

Can't say I'm all that surprised. Why cheat for dimes when it's so easy to cheat for dollars. Dishonesty! They deserve the worst that can happen to them, but only to them.

[golfing eagles]

Well said! 2 thumbs up!

Thank you. Of course, it still is a frightening proposition when you agree with me :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Thank you. Of course, it still is a frightening proposition when you agree with me :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We can't agree often. People will begin to talk. Wink wink, nudge nudge. 😏

[golfing eagles]

We can't agree often. People will begin to talk. Wink wink, nudge nudge. 😏

True. But 2 agreements this year and it's only February. What is this world coming to?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Laker14]

True. But 2 agreements this year and it's only February. What is this world coming to?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Get a room.

[JMintzer]

What I mean by a real disaster is if the gun violence we see on TV every week came to The Village. Suppose 2 shooters killed 20 people at one of the squares. And if that did happen, it would prove that I was NOT wrong about the need for some kind of fast acting Police force. I don't care if they are called Sheriffs or Police force as long as they react quickly and keep people safe around The Villages.
..........There are also a lot of high tech Police equipment - like drones that could improve safety in The Villages.

Yes... We need a SWAT Response Team (and high tech drones) for 3+ (soon to be 4+) squares in an area that is, arguably, one of the safest in the country...

[Vermilion Villager]

We made it! Reports of carts doing 40mph now! I wonder how long before we hear about carts going 45mph.
Just keep them under 88mph! You all know what happens then........:22yikes:

[Vermilion Villager]

I clocked several LSVs par carts and star carts at around 38 mph. Going up B/V. I was doing my civic duty while also breaking the posted speed limit. Which re-enforces my theory nobody licenses golf cart to go extra 5 miles per hour. They do it so they can go 35 plus. :evil6:
You clocked them??? Please tell us how you did that? :shrug:

[JMintzer]

Just keep them under 88mph! You all know what happens then........:22yikes:

Yeah, but you'll need a cart with a REALL big battery!

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[fdpaq0580]

Just keep them under 88mph! You all know what happens then........:22yikes:

I don't! Wha- What happens? (The suspense is killing me)

[golfing eagles]

I don't! Wha- What happens? (The suspense is killing me)

You go back to 1955 when things were simpler.

[JMintzer]

You go back to 1955 when things were simpler.

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[fdpaq0580]

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I know of the movie, but never saw it. Hence my ignorance of the reference to 88mph. Should I be very ashamed or just a little?

[Dusty_Star]

I know of the movie, but never saw it. Hence my ignorance of the reference to 88mph. Should I be very ashamed or just a little?

It's a good movie.

[Two Bills]

I know of the movie, but never saw it. Hence my ignorance of the reference to 88mph. Should I be very ashamed or just a little?

Very!

[JMintzer]

I know of the movie, but never saw it. Hence my ignorance of the reference to 88mph. Should I be very ashamed or just a little?

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[fdpaq0580]

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So, what should my penance be? 🙏😔

[JMintzer]

So, what should my penance be? 🙏😔

Obviously, you must watch all three of the movies, back to back to back...

Even the really crappy 3rd one...

[fdpaq0580]

Obviously, you must watch all three of the movies, back to back to back...

Even the really crappy 3rd one...

On my honor as a sniveling little rat faced git, it shall be done!

Oh, can I take PP breaks? (Oh please, oh please, oh please!) 😟🙏

[JMintzer]

On my honor as a sniveling little rat faced git, it shall be done!

Oh, can I take PP breaks? (Oh please, oh please, oh please!) 😟🙏

What do you think that bottle on your golf cart is for?

[golfing eagles]

What do you think that bottle on your golf cart is for?

Unfortunately, that's what 70% of championship course golfers and 90% of exec players think. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

What do you think that bottle on your golf cart is for?

Well, yeah! But it will need emptying occasionally!
😟😟😟

[mickey100]

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Because they are self-entitled jerks. Most people are pretty good about sharing the paths, but those few who don't cause problems for everyone else.

[golfing eagles]

Because they are self-entitled jerks. Most people are pretty good about sharing the paths, but those few who don't cause problems for everyone else.

Correct. But the OP claimed "the majority" of cart drivers do not want to share the path, a statement I called him out on.

[charmed59]

Can someone explain to me why bikers don’t obey rules of road? Can someone explain to why walkers don’t follow Florida sunshine regulations?

Same reason cart owners don’t stay under the 20mph speed limit.

[mickey100]

Correct. But the OP claimed "the majority" of cart drivers do not want to share the path, a statement I called him out on.

The problem with the carts vs pedestrians and bikers is that even though the aggressive/thoughtless drivers may be in the "minority", this minority can cause incredible havoc. I ride a bike and also do a lot of walking, every day. I'd say almost every time I go out I encounter at least one aggressive golf cart rider. People don't seem to realize that if you are on a bike, you can't "stop on a dime" if someone turns in front of you. If you're walking and some golf cart zooms around a blind corner at a high rate of speed in the wrong lane, my reaction time might not be quick enough to jump out of the way. I deal with it my trying to do my exercise at quieter times of the day when there are less vehicles on the trails. It sounds like the OP is a biker, and I sympathize with him/her. This time of year, especially, with the huge increase in cart traffic, it's not easy being a biker on the multi modal paths. Speaking with my engineer's cap on, the trails were designed 20 years ago when golf carts were only going 12-13 mph. Now you have the fast carts going 20-25 mph, bikers averaging say 13 mph and walkers averaging say 3 mph, and of course anyone with a brain can see there are going to be safety issues.

[jimbomaybe]

The problem with the carts vs pedestrians and bikers is that even though the aggressive/thoughtless drivers may be in the "minority", this minority can cause incredible havoc. I ride a bike and also do a lot of walking, every day. I'd say almost every time I go out I encounter at least one aggressive golf cart rider. People don't seem to realize that if you are on a bike, you can't "stop on a dime" if someone turns in front of you. If you're walking and some golf cart zooms around a blind corner at a high rate of speed in the wrong lane, my reaction time might not be quick enough to jump out of the way. I deal with it my trying to do my exercise at quieter times of the day when there are less vehicles on the trails. It sounds like the OP is a biker, and I sympathize with him/her. This time of year, especially, with the huge increase in cart traffic, it's not easy being a biker on the multi modal paths. Speaking with my engineer's cap on, the trails were designed 20 years ago when golf carts were only going 12-13 mph. Now you have the fast carts going 20-25 mph, bikers averaging say 13 mph and walkers averaging say 3 mph, and of course anyone with a brain can see there are going to be safety issues.
I don't think one has to spend much time walking or biking on a MMP to have a close call with a cart, I have no reason to believe my experience would be any different from anyone else here , over a 2 1/2 year time frame two incidents stand out that would have certainly caused significant bodily harm were it not for the circumstance allowing others to take very abrupt action to prevent an accident , I walk but only very early in the AM, flash light ,reflective clothing, at one time I biked a lot, but not down here, not on a MMP or the street

[golfing eagles]

The problem with the carts vs pedestrians and bikers is that even though the aggressive/thoughtless drivers may be in the "minority", this minority can cause incredible havoc. I ride a bike and also do a lot of walking, every day. I'd say almost every time I go out I encounter at least one aggressive golf cart rider. People don't seem to realize that if you are on a bike, you can't "stop on a dime" if someone turns in front of you. If you're walking and some golf cart zooms around a blind corner at a high rate of speed in the wrong lane, my reaction time might not be quick enough to jump out of the way. I deal with it my trying to do my exercise at quieter times of the day when there are less vehicles on the trails. It sounds like the OP is a biker, and I sympathize with him/her. This time of year, especially, with the huge increase in cart traffic, it's not easy being a biker on the multi modal paths. Speaking with my engineer's cap on, the trails were designed 20 years ago when golf carts were only going 12-13 mph. Now you have the fast carts going 20-25 mph, bikers averaging say 13 mph and walkers averaging say 3 mph, and of course anyone with a brain can see there are going to be safety issues.

I agree with what was just posted. What does that have to do with the claim that it is the majority of golf cart drivers?

[mickey100]

Majority is a vague term. Is it 51% vs 49%? 70% vs 30%? Does it really matter? and who cares? The important thing is, there are stupid golf cart drivers out there, we've all seen them, who drive unsafely, and put others at risk.

[Topspinmo]

Majority is a vague term. Is it 51% vs 49%? 70% vs 30%? Does it really matter? and who cares? The important thing is, there are stupid golf cart drivers out there, we've all seen them, who drive unsafely, and put others at risk.

You can say same thing about walkers, runners, bikers, vehicle drivers. The world full entitled stopidos.

[Topspinmo]

You clocked them??? Please tell us how you did that? :shrug:

By driving along side them and looking at my speedometer. :evil6:

[Topspinmo]

When i see these post I just cannot understand what the problem is. I have used those paths on my bicycle almost every day for over a year. Never had even the hint of a problem.

Probably someone wasn’t paying attention while on there phone and blundered out in front of someone.:welcome:

[Topspinmo]

One problem is that many golf carts have a top speed of 20 MPH, but some drivers are NOT satisfied and jack up their governor to (say) 30 MPH. The end result is NO surprise.......there is a lot of passing. The Village Police should determine a top speed and then FORCE compliance Compliance with safety is WHAT Police do (ideally). Maybe the MMPs should have passing lanes in key spots like before a blind curve?

We need to fund the police portable dynamometers and have spot checks. Drive back wheels on Dyno mash gas and measure the speed of cart. If over recommended speed limit impound the cart issue citation go before judge to see if capable of following rules. With fines, impoundments, and court costs maybe judiciary system would be funded properly :beer3: Naa, overkill :pepper2:

[golfing eagles]

We need to fund the police portable dynamometers and have spot checks. Drive back wheels on Dyno mash gas and measure the speed of cart. If over recommended speed limit impound the cart issue citation go before judge to see if capable of following rules. With fines, impoundments, and court costs maybe judiciary system would be funded properly :beer3: Naa, overkill :pepper2:

Not in Oceania :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Not in Oceania :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


So, you won’t make donation for good of law? :a20:

[golfing eagles]

So, you won’t make donation for good of law? :a20:

Law, yes. Orwellian nightmare, no.

[golfing eagles]

Majority is a vague term. Is it 51% vs 49%? 70% vs 30%? Does it really matter? and who cares? The important thing is, there are stupid golf cart drivers out there, we've all seen them, who drive unsafely, and put others at risk.

OK, maybe I should have phrased it differently. How about this: The OP claimed "a majority" of cart drivers won't share the road. Having driven over 25,000 miles in TV, I maintain it is more like 2-3%. Hardly "a majority" by any definition.

[MX rider]

OK, maybe I should have phrased it differently. How about this: The OP claimed "a majority" of cart drivers won't share the road. Having driven over 25,000 miles in TV, I maintain it is more like 2-3%. Hardly "a majority" by any definition.

I run on the mm path and would agree with your numbers