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Hifred
02-20-2024, 08:47 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
villagetinker
02-20-2024, 08:55 AM
Look into motion activated lawn sprinklers, the dog will probably get the idea, even if the neighbors do not.
JohnN
02-20-2024, 09:21 AM
sprinklers, ultrasonic, granules, "no dogs allowed" sign,
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Hifred
02-20-2024, 09:22 AM
Good idea. Thank you.
Velvet
02-20-2024, 09:25 AM
In the short run; coarse black pepper, or something strong smelling sprinkled, will work if you put it where the dog sniffs around. But it has to be reapplied. You can get Scarecrow motion sprinklers. I bought a few of them for up north. Used a hose initially. We had raccoon problems. I change where they sprinkle, adjust head and post, it’s easy, it’s just a spike. Raccoons are very persistent. I made a game of it.
AZ SLIM
02-20-2024, 09:26 AM
Since you have video proof, you can request the County Animal Control to help out. They deal with this all the time and it is within their purview. This moves the ball into the "legal recourse" arena you are seeking, thereby minimizing any future friendly relationship with the neighbor. But at this point, it seems that horse left the barn. (another animal issue all together)
ElDiabloJoe
02-20-2024, 10:15 AM
Some people are reasonable and happy to stay friendly if it is plausible.
Some people have the mindset of doing WTF they want, unless or until someone makes them do something else. My cousin was this way. It's great if you are running a corporation. Gangsters fall into this mindset often also.
Me? I'm kinda in-between. Mostly depending on how someone approaches me and makes their request to change my behavior in either a convincing, persuasive, or polite and respectful manner.
Sounds like your neighbor is the of the type described in the second paragraph above.
ThirdOfFive
02-20-2024, 10:24 AM
One thing you could try is dog repellent. Lowe's carries it (I believe). Comes in a spray dispenser and has a unbelievably obnoxious scent. Back home, the neighbor's bulldog would come on over and do his stuff in my lawn when the neighbors weren't home. The owner would shovel the "objects" back into his lawn when he came home but that didn't keep the dog from doing it so I bought the repellent. Dogs use scent to return to their more recent "toilets" so I sprayed liberally around every area that had been used. After a few applications it worked pretty well and Rover stayed on his side of the line.
JGibson
02-20-2024, 10:37 AM
It's unfortunate folks can't put up a reasonable size fence on their property. It would solve so many issues including poop.
Dusty_Star
02-20-2024, 11:17 AM
The sprinkler idea sounds good to me. :smiley:
Let us know if you try it.
Two Bills
02-20-2024, 12:03 PM
Black pepper. Never fails.
fdpaq0580
02-20-2024, 12:07 PM
Black pepper. Never fails.
Black pepper? Thought it had to be cayenne.
Blueblaze
02-20-2024, 12:18 PM
The next door neighbor at my rental started doing that for a while last year when it was vacant. They're courtyard villa's, for crying out loud! The dog has his own fenced yard! So I installed a game camera. The video was hilarious. The lady comes out of her house and watches he little furry guy lay a big log in my yard. Then she looks up and notices the camera. Two minutes later, she's back, picking up a couple of days worth of poop and cussing under her breath the whole time!
I've never seen a bit of dog poop in my yard since.
villager7591
02-20-2024, 12:18 PM
Sprinkle Cayenne pepper on your yard. You won't need much. Dogs' sniffers will not like it and it won't hurt them.
vintageogauge
02-20-2024, 12:24 PM
It's unfortunate folks can't put up a reasonable size fence on their property. It would solve so many issues including poop.
They have them, they're called Verandas.
CarlR33
02-20-2024, 12:50 PM
You said you told them to keep the dog in their yard but did you ask about the poop being left behind? If you already opened up lines of communication then maybe offer to buy the first box of poop bags when you deliver the first bag of poop to them. If that fails bag up the poop and throw it on their door step as your explanation would be you do not want to stink up your trash can and garage (assuming that is where you keep the can?). Sad in this day that something as simple as a neighbor not listening to reasoning can start a neighbor war.
OrangeBlossomBaby
02-20-2024, 12:58 PM
Next time you witness it, grab a plastic bag. Use it to scoop the poop up, and leave the opened bag on their front door step. Do it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If they complain, and the dog continues to poop on your lawn, then just scoop the poop up with a shovel and fling it onto their lawn.
Velvet
02-20-2024, 01:26 PM
Next time you witness it, grab a plastic bag. Use it to scoop the poop up, and leave the opened bag on their front door step. Do it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
If they complain, and the dog continues to poop on your lawn, then just scoop the poop up with a shovel and fling it onto their lawn.
And if you were a bit of a mischief, you can “add” a little to their dog poo while you’re doing it…oh, oh, did I just say that?
Jayhawk
02-20-2024, 01:35 PM
Another thread from the Department of Redundancy Department.
barf
VApeople
02-20-2024, 02:09 PM
scoop the poop up with a shovel and fling it onto their lawn.
Yeah, that is what I would do, but I would not throw it on their lawn. I would throw it on their driveway or on their outside patio.
fdpaq0580
02-20-2024, 02:52 PM
And if you were a bit of a mischief, you can “add” a little to their dog poo while you’re doing it…oh, oh, did I just say that?
Oh! Yes you did! 🤣
jimbomaybe
02-20-2024, 04:13 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
Good luck with the problem, if I ever find out who owns the racoon that decorates my backyard in the middle of the night we are going to have a serious talk
Altavia
02-20-2024, 05:06 PM
Good luck with the problem, if I ever find out who owns the racoon that decorates my backyard in the middle of the night we are going to have a serious talk
Pelicans and Sandhill Cranes leaving presents all over your birdcage will make dog poop insignificant ;-)
The motion activated sprinklers work well.
dhdallas
02-20-2024, 10:09 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
You were nice and tried to solve the problem but they are ignoring you. Time for the gloves to come off. Call community standards about the violations and call whichever local police department services your area and file a trespassing complaint about the dogs (& them) on your property. Don't be a pushover.
Villager1234
02-21-2024, 05:54 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
I had the same problem up North. Tell your neighbors that you put pesticides on the lawn
And put signs up. Do not really put pesticides there. If they love their dog they will keep him away
Villager1234
02-21-2024, 05:58 AM
I had the same problem up North. Tell your neighbors that you put pesticides on the lawn
And put signs up. Do not really put pesticides there. If they love their dog they will keep him away I had a pump sprayer filled with water that I would use when they came by with dog. I think that they got the hint
TeresaE
02-21-2024, 06:49 AM
If that was my new neighbor I would “catch them in the act” and offer them a bag to pick up the poop. I would hand it to them with a Big smile on my face and say “Hi! Here you go!” The motion sensor sprinklers are also a good idea. Good luck .
MikeN
02-21-2024, 07:08 AM
Dig off leash? Contact animal control if the neighbor persists
TOMCAT
02-21-2024, 07:19 AM
I think that is so inconsiderate of the dog owner. I had three dogs and would never let my dog do that. I know my husband would be having a fit, and there would be a feud with our neighbor. I'm not eager to fight with anyone, but you should have another talk with your neighbor. If it does not work, the sprinklers are a good idea.
I walk my dog, and he gets curbed. I pick up all his poop and try to keep him off other people’s property.
jimbomaybe
02-21-2024, 07:25 AM
Pelicans and Sandhill Cranes leaving presents all over your birdcage will make dog poop insignificant ;-)
The motion activated sprinklers work well.
A family of cranes were walking across the patio, stopped , made a deposit, I walk up to screen in the lani "Hey somebody has to clean that up" they stop and give me the "get a life pal" look , dismiss my presence and continue their walk, sprinkler a good idea
elle123
02-21-2024, 07:35 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
That's why "good fences make for good nrighbors." Unfortunately fencing is not permitted in The Villages.
JGibson
02-21-2024, 07:39 AM
They have them, they're called Verandas.
Really? I call mine CYV with rocks, dogs don't seem to like pooping on rocks. It must be rough on their tushy.
Domenick
02-21-2024, 08:00 AM
Make a sign saying please keep your dog out of my yard painted with Indian ink. If you spilled some of that Indian ink on the ground accidentally near where the dog walks, would you be responsible if their dog walked in it and then tracked it through their house getting it on their floor, rugs and furniture?
Velvet
02-21-2024, 08:06 AM
Another thread from the Department of Redundancy Department.
barf
It would not be a recurrent issue if it did not happen over and over again. This topic will cease when people will not allow their dogs on other people’s property without invitation. Now when do you think that’s going to happen?
Another reason why this is a very important topic is because of the new people who want to buy in TV. They not only find out information about where, and what, but also behavior that is expected. And if they are smart, they also check out the neighborhood before they buy over the day to see how the neighbors act. One or two neighbors might change, but not the whole street.
NotGolfer
02-21-2024, 08:07 AM
Years ago we had a small dog. Back then you could let them out on their own to do their business. She seemed to "know" the lot-line and stayed in our yard til winter came that is. One Spring the neighbor came over and nicely asked if we'd clean up the dog poop as they had small kids and didn't want the mess. We were SOOOOO embarrassed and promptly did that. After all that happened we were much more diligent on keeping Poochie near our house. Don't know when the shift happened where humans don't adhere to laws much less just plain common sense that their dog is an animal and not a furry-human. Oh....and I do love pets....we've had a few (cats too).
Chellybean
02-21-2024, 08:09 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
Have them and there dog trespassed the second time they will be arrested!
Problem solved!
1009 wilder
02-21-2024, 08:15 AM
hi i had it happen to me so i just put in the street and all the walkers were mad i just sed you pick it up
HORNET
02-21-2024, 08:49 AM
I love animals, I despise Pet owners! Enough said!
JRcorvette
02-21-2024, 09:08 AM
Ask them nicely at first… then take action. There are chemicals you can put down that the dog will not like.
Papa_lecki
02-21-2024, 09:12 AM
Where are you moving the “Evidence”?
I would move it to their front door.
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 09:41 AM
Have them and there dog trespassed the second time they will be arrested!
Problem solved!
If you do that, make sure you know where your property line is located. For most properties, the front lot line is actually about 7 feet or so back from the edge of the street. You are required to maintain that area, but you don't own it.
MollyJo
02-21-2024, 09:42 AM
There’s leash laws & laws to p/u after your pet. Video is proof & owner can be fined.
OR, turn on your sprinkler until they stop. OR p/u poo & toss back. They don’t want to be your friend…
MaryMS
02-21-2024, 09:58 AM
Try moving the poop piles onto the owner’s yard. It may help the dog learn its boundaries. It may also disgust the owner when he/she steps into them. A small shovel or dustpan would work, or use a plastic bag. It shouldn’t take too long for results.
Velvet
02-21-2024, 10:24 AM
If you do that, make sure you know where your property line is located. For most properties, the front lot line is actually about 7 feet or so back from the edge of the street. You are required to maintain that area, but you don't own it.
From what I understand, it is a right of way for work not public property or doggie litter box. If it were expected that I look after someone’s dog eliminations I would expect to first be asked if I would do it, and second to be paid for it. Just as garbageman are paid for their work.
Two Bills
02-21-2024, 10:29 AM
From what I understand, it is a right of way for work not public property or doggie litter box.
Correct. Just access for utilities.
rpalumberi
02-21-2024, 10:29 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
We just don't know why some people are the way they are, not considerate, appropriately respectful or just plain neighborly. Sorry you have to deal with one of those. Most of us dog owners (and others of course) are very respectful of our neighbors. We hope there is some appropriate remedy for you, legal or otherwise.
ElDiabloJoe
02-21-2024, 10:32 AM
Have them and there dog trespassed the second time they will be arrested!
Problem solved!
Will never happen. In this day and age of low staffing and high crime, a trespassing or dog leash / dog poop call will be VERY low priority. Police may not respond for hours. Too busy with auto burgs, assaults. shoplifting, drug use, etc.
This is how "having them arrested" would go down, from a realistic practical perspective from my real-world decades of experience:
No judge will ever hold a dog responsible for any violation. Dogs do not possess the capacity for intent. They will roll their eyes their time is being wasted. It will never even get to them, however. Any responding officer is going to roll their eyes that their time is being wasted on such a minor thing.
In addition, leash laws and dog poop rules are, at the very highest, an infraction. Infractions are "crimes" punishable by a fine. This is almost always handled via a citation, not arrest.
Even if the "crime" were a misdemeanor (highly unlikely), misdemeanors MUST be committed in the presence of the officer. There are a few exceptions such as domestic battery, drunk driving, indecency within certain range of school grounds, etc. BUT animal issues are not in any of the exceptions I've ever seen.
Let's change tack for a moment. Let's say instead of going after the dog, you are now considering pursuing the dog's owner for the "crime." Let's be so generous as to say it is a misdemeanor and not an infraction, and the only crime we "might" pursue here is trespassing. For trespassing to occur, two things (the elements of the crime) must happen:
1. A person has to be in a place they do not lawfully have the right to be, and;
2. That person must be asked/directed/told to leave by a person with authority over the location and the person "trespassing" must refuse to do so when requested/directed.
Actually a third thing must occur, remember that in order for an officer to make a misdemeanor arrest, it must be committed in his/her presence. Digressing, since that isn't an actual element of the crime, just another loophole one must get through in order for this arrest to ever occur.
So if I'm up on your lawn or driveway (the curtilage of approach normally acceptable for public to be upon in order to access the front doorway to contact the owner - so usually deemed legally reasonable) and you order me off your property I can stay or go.
If I go, no crime has occurred. If I stay, you will have to call the police, enjoy the long wait for them to arrive at this very low priority call (to witness my misdemeanor violation) and I have to STILL be on the property.
If I am not, no crime.
If I am still on the property, the officer's are going to do everything they can to talk me into complying to save them time and paperwork. As long as I eventually comply, I am neither cited nor arrested and you just wasted a phenomenal amount of time and resources making you look like a "Karen," or at the very least a self-entitled a$$hat. Again, no crime.
Now, let's say you wish to conduct a citizen's arrest for my misdemeanor violation. If I keep making court dates, arraignments, continuances or excuses for more time, trial, etc., you will HAVE TO ATTEND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY COURT APPEARANCES or else the case is thrown.
If the case is thrown, I now have grounds to civilly sue you for false arrest. See where I'm going here? You will be paying all my court costs and damages for harm to my reputation, loss of time, income, etc.
So, back to my original statement, "Will never happen."
I will offer one very big HOWEVER, a caveat if you will.
This entire scenario can drastically change IF the officer is so motivated and circumstances allow. An example of this is the offender is habitual (preferably a parolee or probationer) and a known PITA to deal with from the officer's prior contacts. Dealing with all the time and paper delays created by this incident may be deemed worthwhile to prevent the offender from wasting even more time and resources with additional calls being generated due to the offender's actions during the remainder of the officer's shift or the next shift.
Velvet
02-21-2024, 10:40 AM
Will never happen. In this day and age of low staffing and high crime, a trespassing or dog leash / dog poop call will be VERY low priority. Police may not respond for hours.
This is how "having them arrested" would go down, from a realistic practical perspective from my real-world decades of experience:
No judge will ever hold a dog responsible for any violation. Dogs do not possess the capacity for intent. They will roll their eyes their time is being wasted. It will never even get to them, however. Any responding officer is going to roll their eyes that their time is being wasted on such a minor thing.
In addition, leash laws and dog poop rules are, at the very highest, an infraction. Infractions are "crimes" punishable by a fine. This is almost always handled via a citation, not arrest.
Even if the "crime" were a misdemeanor (highly unlikely), misdemeanors MUST be committed in the presence of the officer. There are a few exceptions such as domestic battery, drunk driving, indecency within certain range of school grounds, etc. BUT animal issues are not in any of the exceptions I've ever seen.
Let's change tack for a moment. Let's say instead of going after the dog, you are now considering pursuing the dog's owner for the "crime." Let's be so generous as to say it is a misdemeanor and not an infraction, and the only crime we "might" pursue here is trespassing. For trespassing to occur, two things (the elements of the crime) must happen:
1. A person has to be in a place they do not lawfully have the right to be, and;
2. That person must be asked/directed/told to leave by a person with authority over the location and the person "trespassing" must refuse to do so when requested/directed.
Actually a third thing must occur, remember that in order for an officer to make a misdemeanor arrest, it must be committed in his/her presence. Digressing, since that isn't an actual element of the crime, just another loophole one must get through in order for this arrest to ever occur.
So if I'm up on your lawn or driveway (the curtilage of approach normally acceptable for public to be upon in order to access the front doorway to contact the owner - so usually deemed legally reasonable) and you order me off your property I can stay or go.
If I go, no crime has occurred. If I stay, you will have to call the police, enjoy the long wait for them to arrive at this very low priority call (to witness my misdemeanor violation) and I have to STILL be on the property.
If I am not, no crime.
If I am still on the property, the officer's are going to do everything they can to talk me into complying to save them time and paperwork. As long as I eventually comply, I am neither cited nor arrested and you just wasted a phenomenal amount of time and resources making you look like a "Karen," or at the very least a self-entitled a$$hat. Again, no crime.
Now, let's say you wish to conduct a citizen's arrest for my misdemeanor violation. If I keep making court dates, arraignments, continuances or excuses for more time, trial, etc., you will HAVE TO ATTEND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY COURT APPEARANCES or else the case is thrown.
If the case is thrown, I now have grounds to civilly sue you for false arrest. See where I'm going here? You will be paying all my court costs and damages for harm to my reputation, loss of time, income, etc.
So, back to my original statement, "Will never happen."
I will offer one very big HOWEVER, a caveat if you will.
This entire scenario can drastically change IF the officer is so motivated and circumstances allow. An example of this is the offender is habitual (preferably a parolee or probationer) and a known PITA to deal with from the officer's prior contacts. Dealing with all the time and paper delays created by this incident may be deemed worthwhile to prevent the offender from wasting even more time and resources with additional calls being generated due to the offender's actions during the remainder of the officer's shift or the next shift.
Yes, you have just indicated why it could be necessary to personally make it undesirable for the dog owner to act selfishly.
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 10:41 AM
From what I understand, it is a right of way for work not public property or doggie litter box. If it were expected that I look after someone’s dog eliminations I would expect to first be asked if I would do it, and second to be paid for it. Just as garbageman are paid for their work.
Yes, it is a right of way, but it is not private property. My survey plat indicates that my front lot line is located about 7 feet back from the edge of the street. So, the 7 foot strip must be considered public property.
Otherwise, who owns it?
CFrance
02-21-2024, 11:26 AM
Really? I call mine CYV with rocks, dogs don't seem to like pooping on rocks. It must be rough on their tushy.
Don't count on it. My dogs poop & pee on the rocks all the time. So do the neighbor dogs. Our whole back CYV area is bordered in stones. One dog uses that; the other uses our stones in the front.
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 12:06 PM
Correct. Just access for utilities.
My front lot line does not extend to the street, so the 7-foot strip of land between my lot line and the street must be public property because I do not own it. If it is not public property, then who owns it?
Taltarzac725
02-21-2024, 12:08 PM
Don't count on it. My dogs poop & pee on the rocks all the time. So do the neighbor dogs. Our whole back CYV area is bordered in stones. One dog uses that; the other uses our stones in the front.
There has been a dead fish in a local yard and my dog almost always drags me up to it and gives it another shower.
Probably fell off of a bird who grabbed too much to carry from a Village lake.
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 12:13 PM
Yes, it is a right of way, but it is not private property. My survey plat indicates that my front lot line is located about 7 feet back from the edge of the street. So, the 7 foot strip must be considered public property.
Otherwise, who owns it?
WRONG! That area Is NOT a right of way! It is an "Easement" , an area on Your property that utility workers may use to access their equipment. The general public, with or without dogs, have no right to use it without your permission.
Who owns it? You own it, water it, mow it and PAY TAXES on it.
This myth of public right of way appears regularly, and some self entitled individuals are only too glad to believe, or pretend to believe it, for their own convenience. No one except the appropriate officials may access your property for work or maintenance.
golfing eagles
02-21-2024, 12:18 PM
WRONG! That area Is NOT a right of way! It is an "Easement" , an area on Your property that utility workers may use to access their equipment. The general public, with or without dogs, have no right to use it without your permission.
Who owns it? You own it, water it, mow it and PAY TAXES on it.
This myth of public right of way appears regularly, and some self entitled individuals are only too glad to believe, or pretend to believe it, for their own convenience. No one except the appropriate officials may access your property for work or maintenance.
OMG! Another agreement. I think I may need an MRI of my brain :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 12:29 PM
Will never happen. In this day and age of low staffing and high crime, a trespassing or dog leash / dog poop call will be VERY low priority. Police may not respond for hours. Too busy with auto burgs, assaults. shoplifting, drug use, etc.
This is how "having them arrested" would go down, from a realistic practical perspective from my real-world decades of experience:
No judge will ever hold a dog responsible for any violation. Dogs do not possess the capacity for intent. They will roll their eyes their time is being wasted. It will never even get to them, however. Any responding officer is going to roll their eyes that their time is being wasted on such a minor thing.
In addition, leash laws and dog poop rules are, at the very highest, an infraction. Infractions are "crimes" punishable by a fine. This is almost always handled via a citation, not arrest.
Even if the "crime" were a misdemeanor (highly unlikely), misdemeanors MUST be committed in the presence of the officer. There are a few exceptions such as domestic battery, drunk driving, indecency within certain range of school grounds, etc. BUT animal issues are not in any of the exceptions I've ever seen.
Let's change tack for a moment. Let's say instead of going after the dog, you are now considering pursuing the dog's owner for the "crime." Let's be so generous as to say it is a misdemeanor and not an infraction, and the only crime we "might" pursue here is trespassing. For trespassing to occur, two things (the elements of the crime) must happen:
1. A person has to be in a place they do not lawfully have the right to be, and;
2. That person must be asked/directed/told to leave by a person with authority over the location and the person "trespassing" must refuse to do so when requested/directed.
Actually a third thing must occur, remember that in order for an officer to make a misdemeanor arrest, it must be committed in his/her presence. Digressing, since that isn't an actual element of the crime, just another loophole one must get through in order for this arrest to ever occur.
So if I'm up on your lawn or driveway (the curtilage of approach normally acceptable for public to be upon in order to access the front doorway to contact the owner - so usually deemed legally reasonable) and you order me off your property I can stay or go.
If I go, no crime has occurred. If I stay, you will have to call the police, enjoy the long wait for them to arrive at this very low priority call (to witness my misdemeanor violation) and I have to STILL be on the property.
If I am not, no crime.
If I am still on the property, the officer's are going to do everything they can to talk me into complying to save them time and paperwork. As long as I eventually comply, I am neither cited nor arrested and you just wasted a phenomenal amount of time and resources making you look like a "Karen," or at the very least a self-entitled a$$hat. Again, no crime.
Now, let's say you wish to conduct a citizen's arrest for my misdemeanor violation. If I keep making court dates, arraignments, continuances or excuses for more time, trial, etc., you will HAVE TO ATTEND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY COURT APPEARANCES or else the case is thrown.
If the case is thrown, I now have grounds to civilly sue you for false arrest. See where I'm going here? You will be paying all my court costs and damages for harm to my reputation, loss of time, income, etc.
So, back to my original statement, "Will never happen."
I will offer one very big HOWEVER, a caveat if you will.
This entire scenario can drastically change IF the officer is so motivated and circumstances allow. An example of this is the offender is habitual (preferably a parolee or probationer) and a known PITA to deal with from the officer's prior contacts. Dealing with all the time and paper delays created by this incident may be deemed worthwhile to prevent the offender from wasting even more time and resources with additional calls being generated due to the offender's actions during the remainder of the officer's shift or the next shift.
Fictional scenario designed, apparently, to dissuade folks from taking necessary legal steps for protecting themselves and their property from abuse.
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 12:38 PM
WRONG! That area Is NOT a right of way! It is an "Easement" , an area on Your property that utility workers may use to access their equipment. The general public, with or without dogs, have no right to use it without your permission.
Who owns it? You own it, water it, mow it and PAY TAXES on it.
This myth of public right of way appears regularly, and some self entitled individuals are only too glad to believe, or pretend to believe it, for their own convenience. No one except the appropriate officials may access your property for work or maintenance.
Not wrong. I don't know about your property, but my survey plat clearly states that it is a "Right of Way", not an easement. There are easements designated on the back of my property inside the lot line, but this is outside of the lot line and is stated as a right of way. My front lot line is designated to be located 7 feet back from the street pavement. So, the 7-foot strip of land between the lot line and the street is not on my property.
DebMil
02-21-2024, 02:42 PM
You can call your counties animal nuisance and file a complaint complaint against the owners. Not the dog of course.
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 02:54 PM
OMG! Another agreement. I think I may need an MRI of my brain :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Relax! You're just fine! 😉
Bill14564
02-21-2024, 03:14 PM
Not wrong. I don't know about your property, but my survey plat clearly states that it is a "Right of Way", not an easement. There are easements designated on the back of my property inside the lot line, but this is outside of the lot line and is stated as a right of way. My front lot line is designated to be located 7 feet back from the street pavement. So, the 7-foot strip of land between the lot line and the street is not on my property.
Agreed.
The drawings I received with my home show 3.5' between the edge of the road and the beginning of my property. The Sumter County Property Appraiser page for my home shows the same.
But my home is on a circle. My neighbor's homes that are on the straight portion of the street show more area between the road and the property line - about twice as much - which would be the 7' strip mentioned in this and other posts.
coffeebean
02-21-2024, 03:50 PM
I had a pump sprayer filled with water that I would use when they came by with dog. I think that they got the hint
I think the hose with the sharp spray would be a better option. LOL.
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 04:05 PM
Not wrong. I don't know about your property, but my survey plat clearly states that it is a "Right of Way", not an easement. There are easements designated on the back of my property inside the lot line, but this is outside of the lot line and is stated as a right of way. My front lot line is designated to be located 7 feet back from the street pavement. So, the 7-foot strip of land between the lot line and the street is not on my property.
Yes it is.
OK. The important word here is grantee".
An easement allowes a grantee ( utility for example) to use the property for a purpose (light post, hydrant, road signs, etc).
A right of way means a grantee (utility) may crossover the property in the performance of their duties (repair of light post, hydrant, road signs).
You still own and pay tax on it and maintain it. Total strangers cannot park on it, dig it up, or let their dog poop on it, or set up camp on it.
All that lovely lawn and garden belong to you. That is why the sprinklers are located on the outer edge.
Bill14564
02-21-2024, 04:20 PM
Yes it is.
OK. The important word here is grantee".
An easement allowes a grantee ( utility for example) to use the property for a purpose (light post, hydrant, road signs, etc).
A right of way means a grantee (utility) may crossover the property in the performance of their duties (repair of light post, hydrant, road signs).
You still own and pay tax on it and maintain it. Total strangers cannot park on it, dig it up, or let their dog poop on it, or set up camp on it.
All that lovely lawn and garden belong to you. That is why the sprinklers are located on the outer edge.
I'll grant that I need to maintain it and it would be difficult to prove whether I'm being taxed on it but I'm pretty darned sure I don't own it.
On my drawings there is a dark line around the what I believe to be my property. At certain points it shows that my shrub beds are 5.0' from the side lines and 10.0' from the back lines. It shows the side lines cutting between the meter boxes for both the potable water and the irrigation water. This dark line must by my property line.
In the front, this dark line is 3.5' back from the edge of the road. Since my driveway extends to the road, the drawing shows that 3.5' of my driveway is on the roadway side of what seems to be my property line.
Given the above, either:
- There is 3.5' of land between my property and the street that I am required to maintain but that I do not own;
OR,
- I own 3.5' beyond that dark line which also means the neighbor's meter boxes are on my property and I own 3.5' of property that my neighbors thought was theirs.
Which seems more likely?
(The point about the sprinklers is interesting)
Eg_cruz
02-21-2024, 04:24 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
For peace in your life
You can only change you
The pepper ASAP then get the sprinklers
Change how you react and the problem will fix it self
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 04:42 PM
I'll grant that I need to maintain it and it would be difficult to prove whether I'm being taxed on it but I'm pretty darned sure I don't own it.
On my drawings there is a dark line around the what I believe to be my property. At certain points it shows that my shrub beds are 5.0' from the side lines and 10.0' from the back lines. It shows the side lines cutting between the meter boxes for both the potable water and the irrigation water. This dark line must by my property line.
In the front, this dark line is 3.5' back from the edge of the road. Since my driveway extends to the road, the drawing shows that 3.5' of my driveway is on the roadway side of what seems to be my property line.
Given the above, either:
- There is 3.5' of land between my property and the street that I am required to maintain but that I do not own;
OR,
- I own 3.5' beyond that dark line which also means the neighbor's meter boxes are on my property and I own 3.5' of property that my neighbors thought was theirs.
Which seems more likely?
(The point about the sprinklers is interesting)
The meters belong to the grantee (water co.).
What makes you think the county, city, etc, has you personally on the hook to water, mow, treat their lawn? Naw.
When we bought (new) the sprinklers were in, landscaping, such as it was, was in, signs and light post, in, phone box, cable box, in. The grantees put them in an easement portion of our yard, and grantees may enter or cross right of way parts of our yard to perform necessary work.
Bill14564
02-21-2024, 04:47 PM
The meters belong to the grantee (water co.).
What makes you think the county, city, etc, has you personally on the hook to water, mow, treat their lawn? Naw.
When we bought (new) the sprinklers were in, landscaping, such as it was, was in, signs and light post, in, phone box, cable box, in. The grantees put them in an easement portion of our yard, and grantees may enter or cross right of way parts of our yard to perform necessary work.
I didn't say I owned the boxes, that's a different discussion. I said if my property extends 3.5' beyond the line marked on my drawings then both neighbors' meter boxes are actually on my property. Of course, that doesn't sound right, the line is the property line and I own up to my side of it which means I don't own the 3.5' between the road and my property line.
Velvet
02-21-2024, 05:11 PM
My front lot line does not extend to the street, so the 7-foot strip of land between my lot line and the street must be public property because I do not own it. If it is not public property, then who owns it?
My understanding is that it was the developer who owned it until the CDDs took over. It has been an area reserved for work and possible expansion of roads. It is not for public use any more than a (public) judge’s office is available for public use. The homeowner is required to maintain it, but unlike sidewalks, that area is not designated for the public.
Velvet
02-21-2024, 05:16 PM
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Keefelane66
02-21-2024, 05:46 PM
How did we get from dog poop to water meter placement?
shut the front door
02-21-2024, 06:04 PM
How did we get from dog poop to water meter placement?
Just about every thread on this board gets hijacked. Maybe it's an old people thing because it doesn't happen on other forums that I frequent.
Velvet
02-21-2024, 06:09 PM
Just about every thread on this board gets hijacked. Maybe it's an old people thing because it doesn't happen on other forums that I frequent.
Because these threads are discussions and not dissertations?
Topspinmo
02-21-2024, 06:13 PM
I had a pump sprayer filled with water that I would use when they came by with dog. I think that they got the hint
That may be considered assault in Florida?
Topspinmo
02-21-2024, 06:15 PM
The meters belong to the grantee (water co.).
What makes you think the county, city, etc, has you personally on the hook to water, mow, treat their lawn? Naw.
When we bought (new) the sprinklers were in, landscaping, such as it was, was in, signs and light post, in, phone box, cable box, in. The grantees put them in an easement portion of our yard, and grantees may enter or cross right of way parts of our yard to perform necessary work.
It’s called utility easement which most villagers ignore (It their land they have limited or no use of it). Like all the bricked in yards in CYVs, first time have water leak and all bricks are torn out in line with meter they be first to whine.
JMintzer
02-21-2024, 06:36 PM
OMG! Another agreement. I think I may need an MRI of my brain :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Do I need to do a wellness check on you?
JMintzer
02-21-2024, 07:14 PM
Just about every thread on this board gets hijacked. Maybe it's an old people thing because it doesn't happen on other forums that I frequent.
What forums are those? I've never seen that phenomena...
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 07:20 PM
Yes it is.
OK. The important word here is grantee".
An easement allowes a grantee ( utility for example) to use the property for a purpose (light post, hydrant, road signs, etc).
A right of way means a grantee (utility) may crossover the property in the performance of their duties (repair of light post, hydrant, road signs).
You still own and pay tax on it and maintain it. Total strangers cannot park on it, dig it up, or let their dog poop on it, or set up camp on it.
All that lovely lawn and garden belong to you. That is why the sprinklers are located on the outer edge.
You are wrong. I only pay taxes on the property that I own, which is the property inside the property line as defined by the property survey. The property survey states that the property outside of the property line is a right of way, not an easement. If I owned property outside of the property line, and they wanted to widen the road, they would need to buy that property from me. You said the property to the street was an easement, but the official survey clearly states that it is a "right of way", not an easement. Property ownership is defined by a property line, not by a right of way or an easement.
retiredguy123
02-21-2024, 07:23 PM
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Velvet
02-21-2024, 07:50 PM
You are wrong. I only pay taxes on the property that I own, which is the property inside the property line as defined by the property survey. The property survey states that the property outside of the property line is a right of way, not an easement. If I owned property outside of the property line, and they wanted to widen the road, they would need to buy that property from me. You said the property to the street was an easement, but the official survey clearly states that it is a "right of way", not an easement. Property ownership is defined by a property line, not by a right of way or an easement.
According to Florida law (in general);
Rights-of-way are for travel purposes across the land, such as a driveway or a walkway. They do not allow you to use the land for any other reasons. (And also you need to know who has the right of way, it is not the general public).
The law offices of Justin McMurray
Pairadocs
02-21-2024, 08:56 PM
Look into motion activated lawn sprinklers, the dog will probably get the idea, even if the neighbors do not.
Perfect, nothing really mean that would permanently harm the pet (who has no idea he should not allow himself/herself to be urged into the neighbor's yard), and nothing to start a dangerous
"war" of escalating threats that end in someone seriously injured or even dead ! I agree it's sad that it's come to the this point so often in the V's. In our neighborhood we have several "dog walkers" (people who walk as many a 6 dogs, on leashes, at once) who come 4, 5, 6 blocks then stand in the street as they urge the dogs to "go... on someone's yard". There's just no answer for those with that much disrespect. The "sprinklers" might just work.
CFrance
02-21-2024, 09:04 PM
Perfect, nothing really mean that would permanently harm the pet (who has no idea he should not allow himself/herself to be urged into the neighbor's yard), and nothing to start a dangerous
"war" of escalating threats that end in someone seriously injured or even dead ! I agree it's sad that it's come to the this point so often in the V's. In our neighborhood we have several "dog walkers" (people who walk as many a 6 dogs, on leashes, at once) who come 4, 5, 6 blocks then stand in the street as they urge the dogs to "go... on someone's yard". There's just no answer for those with that much disrespect. The "sprinklers" might just work.
Pairadocs, I'm interested to know where this happens. It boggles my mind.
Is it a newer area south of 44, or just north, like Pinellas?
We've lived in Tamarind Grove sine 2012 and have almost never had a problem with people not picking up after their dogs. Twice, but we tracked it down to a visitor.
People on TOTV keep bringing this up, though, so I'm curious to know where it is happening.
mtdjed
02-21-2024, 09:44 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
This sounds like the start of a bad movie. Water spraying the dog, shoveling bagging and moving poop, pepper spraying the dog, calling the DPP (Dog Poop Police). Seems like that is a sure way to escalate the issue.
Are you the only neighbor having an issue with this neighbor? It's only been a month since he moved in. Any chance of resolution? Perhaps the initial confrontation and their moving in stress created a barrier. Have you/the neighbors welcomed the new neighbor. You mentioned that their property is not in deed compliance and it sounds like you are blaming them for something that they bought into.
Before this goes too far, try putting yourself in their shoes. Perhaps they came from a totally different environment where animal control was not an issue. If possible, help them adapt.
Is a start over an option?
CFrance
02-21-2024, 09:58 PM
This sounds like the start of a bad movie. Water spraying the dog, shoveling bagging and moving poop, pepper spraying the dog, calling the DPP (Dog Poop Police). Seems like that is a sure way to escalate the issue.
Are you the only neighbor having an issue with this neighbor? It's only been a month since he moved in. Any chance of resolution? Perhaps the initial confrontation and their moving in stress created a barrier. Have you/the neighbors welcomed the new neighbor. You mentioned that their property is not in deed compliance and it sounds like you are blaming them for something that they bought into.
Before this goes too far, try putting yourself in their shoes. Perhaps they came from a totally different environment where animal control was not an issue. If possible, help them adapt.
Is a start over an option?
There is absolutely no excuse for sending your dog outside to do its business in somebody else's yard. None. Forget where they came from. It's a given that you don't trespass on another person's property for any reason.
OP might be the only one having an issue with this neighbor simply because he/she is the one directly behind the people who are letting their dog out loose.
"Help them adapt" my dog tush. They've already tried.
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 11:23 PM
How did we get from dog poop to water meter placement?
You may need to start from the beginning. Good luck!
fdpaq0580
02-21-2024, 11:59 PM
You are wrong. I only pay taxes on the property that I own, which is the property inside the property line as defined by the property survey. The property survey states that the property outside of the property line is a right of way, not an easement. If I owned property outside of the property line, and they wanted to widen the road, they would need to buy that property from me. You said the property to the street was an easement, but the official survey clearly states that it is a "right of way", not an easement. Property ownership is defined by a property line, not by a right of way or an easement.
You misunderstand. There is an area that shows right of way that has grantee equipment either over it, like phone lines or power lines,or below ground, like phone or power lines, water lines sewer, etc. The land/yard is yours, but as part of the development of the community a grantee has equipment either over, under, or sitting in your yard that they may need to access for repair or maintenance. Where the lines,cables, pipes run is right of way. Where the light post, telephone post, street sign, power box or cable box physically sit is easement.
The area labeled right of way likely has grantee equipment buryed below. You own the lawn and the driveway right to the sidewalk or curb/street.
From a property perspective, you own more than you thought.
retiredguy123
02-22-2024, 12:44 AM
You misunderstand. There is an area that shows right of way that has grantee equipment either over it, like phone lines or power lines,or below ground, like phone or power lines, water lines sewer, etc. The land/yard is yours, but as part of the development of the community a grantee has equipment either over, under, or sitting in your yard that they may need to access for repair or maintenance. Where the lines,cables, pipes run is right of way. Where the light post, telephone post, street sign, power box or cable box physically sit is easement.
The area labeled right of way likely has grantee equipment buryed below. You own the lawn and the driveway right to the sidewalk or curb/street.
From a property perspective, you own more than you thought.
I didn't misunderstand anything. My property line is located 7 feet from the edge of the street pavement. I own the land from that line to the back of my property, nothing more. From the front lot line to the street is public property with a right of way. I think you misunderstood.
Sully2023
02-22-2024, 07:06 AM
You said you told them to keep the dog in their yard but did you ask about the poop being left behind? If you already opened up lines of communication then maybe offer to buy the first box of poop bags when you deliver the first bag of poop to them. If that fails bag up the poop and throw it on their door step as your explanation would be you do not want to stink up your trash can and garage (assuming that is where you keep the can?). Sad in this day that something as simple as a neighbor not listening to reasoning can start a neighbor war.
I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.
asianthree
02-22-2024, 07:34 AM
Pairadocs, I'm interested to know where this happens. It boggles my mind.
Is it a newer area south of 44, or just north, like Pinellas?
We've lived in Tamarind Grove sine 2012 and have almost never had a problem with people not picking up after their dogs. Twice, but we tracked it down to a visitor.
People on TOTV keep bringing this up, though, so I'm curious to know where it is happening.
For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.
It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.
It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice
rherb55
02-22-2024, 08:43 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
You shouldn’t have to step in 💩 on your own property…. So if they’re not picking it up, I would scoop it up & bring it back to them and if that doesn’t work call the Sheriff. They are suppose to be on a leash…..
Good luck with dealing with IGNORANCE.
Velvet
02-22-2024, 08:56 AM
The new neighbors I mentioned on a previous thread are now at Mallory for several months now. They used to just let their two dogs out and (they are previous Villagers) so people got to know them not by their name but as …. We have many social events here, from driveway parties to neighbors taking you to places to home invitations etc etc. These people were invited nowhere by anyone. No one bothered to even find out their names. Now it is a few months later and the change is quite amazing. The two dogs stay on their veranda, they still bark a bit much but even that is improving. And now the couple is included in the community. I am glad for them because I have the best, most helpful, friendliest and giving neighbors (nearly every one of them has a dog) a person could want. And I am glad that the new people are part of the community now too.
It is possible to change behavior, it may take a concentrated effort.
tophcfa
02-22-2024, 08:58 AM
The sprinkler idea sounds good to me. :smiley:
Depends on the dog, Labs love playing in a sprinkler.
asianthree
02-22-2024, 09:10 AM
I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.
Actually there was a,post from a new resident who is handicapped, chair bound, and pays a company to pick up in the back of CYV of their dogs, and the deposit from other people in the front. She was so bewildered as to why anyone would allow their dog in anyone yard.
Jhrath7@gmail.com
02-22-2024, 09:10 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
Spread red pepper along the edge of your property and the dog will ignore your lawn
Velvet
02-22-2024, 09:11 AM
The motion sprinkler suddenly turns on with a startling noise then the water unexpectedly comes out in bursts. No animal likes it, but it also doesn’t harm them in anyway. I have never tried it against dogs, up north it is used to keep wild possibly rabid animals away.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 09:53 AM
I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.
You hire the company! Guess who is responsible for the bill? Nice idea though.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 10:06 AM
I didn't misunderstand anything. My property line is located 7 feet from the edge of the street pavement. I own the land from that line to the back of my property, nothing more. From the front lot line to the street is public property with a right of way. I think you misunderstood.
Have it your way. It isn't worth arguing over. But if I don't own property, I would remove any sprinkler lines attached to my water system, and wouldn't use my money to water, feed, or maintain it. Let the complaints come and they will be referred to the CDD. Enjoy you day in TV. Think of the money I will save.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 10:18 AM
According to Florida law (in general);
Rights-of-way are for travel purposes across the land, such as a driveway or a walkway. They do not allow you to use the land for any other reasons. (And also you need to know who has the right of way, it is not the general public).
The law offices of Justin McMurray
Retired-123 seems to have a unique situation if his lot markers are where he thinks they are.
golfnut
02-22-2024, 10:28 AM
Its not the dogs fault, its the owner . Report them.
Bill14564
02-22-2024, 10:44 AM
Retired-123 seems to have a unique situation if his lot markers are where he thinks they are.
Not all that unique.
Some make assertions about property lines they are not familiar with - I have my Site Plan drawings and information from the Property Appraiser office. I know which of these I trust to be more accurate.
mraines
02-22-2024, 11:18 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
I'm not usually a nasty person but if they are that rude and ignorant, I would pick up the poop and put it right outside their door so they can step in it. I hate people walking their dogs on my lawn. I have a dog and she does not go on other people's lawns.
Robojo
02-22-2024, 11:48 AM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
I would ask them to get an invisible fence with a shock collar to keep him in the yard. My neighbor did that and its wonderful.
lpkruege1
02-22-2024, 12:02 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
It's their dog pop. Toss it back over to their yard. Their driveway or front porch would be a great place to start.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 12:17 PM
I would ask them to get an invisible fence with a shock collar to keep him in the yard. My neighbor did that and its wonderful.
They probably like that their dog craps in the neighbors yard. Why spend the money to please the victim and have to clean up the dogs mess?
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 12:37 PM
If OP is over 60, how about calling crimes against seniors to see if they can or will help. Dog off leash, continual dumping of raw sewage on victims property, causing emotional harm from continued abuse, creating a potential health hazard, and more. They can help him to get a cease and desist order and a restraining order.
Or, I could call a guy they used to call "the magician" who could make "problems" dissappear. 😏
jimjamuser
02-22-2024, 12:39 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 12:47 PM
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
I like the BB gun. For the dog owner, not the dog. The air horn would also startle all the other neighbors in the area.
Also, OP said the neighbor "let their dog out". Dog must be off leash, I think.
Dusty_Star
02-22-2024, 12:56 PM
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
These are all cruel options targeting the dog, when clearly it is the owner at fault. Additionally, these would not solve the problem, the solution lies with the negligent owner.
Taltarzac725
02-22-2024, 01:00 PM
Vandalism is what in some cases is being described as well as trespassing. I am not talking about the dog walker but about people taking action directed at the dog owner and their house.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 01:41 PM
These are all cruel options targeting the dog, when clearly it is the owner at fault. Additionally, these would not solve the problem, the solution lies with the negligent owner.
And how do you recommend getting the negligent owner to respect the OP's property? That is the question. Simply voicing one's displeasure hasn't worked. What is OP's next move?
The problem is (almost) always the owner.
Velvet
02-22-2024, 01:49 PM
If OP is over 60, how about calling crimes against seniors to see if they can or will help. Dog off leash, continual dumping of raw sewage on victims property, causing emotional harm from continued abuse, creating a potential health hazard, and more. They can help him to get a cease and desist order and a restraining order.
Or, I could call a guy they used to call "the magician" who could make "problems" dissappear. 😏
I know one of those guys too, but would never consider it. I mean perhaps if someone murdered my daughter… there are much simpler, even friendly ways.
The nuisance people tend to get run out of the neighborhood eventually. One was run out from the historic area - she was pretty off to upset those liberal minded neighbors. And the other from the newer northern part near 301.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 01:57 PM
I know one of those guys too, but would never consider it. I mean perhaps if someone murdered my daughter… there are much simpler, even friendly ways.
The nuisance people tend to get run out of the neighborhood eventually. One was run out from the historic area - she was pretty off to upset those liberal minded neighbors. And the other from the newer northern part near 301.
Oh! You actually know one of "those guys ". I was only joking, hence the emoji.
Velvet
02-22-2024, 02:06 PM
Oh! You actually know one of "those guys ". I was only joking, hence the emoji.
Yes, we met at the gym, he is a champion kick boxer. He wanted to learn to speak English and was from my native country. After some time he told me what he did for a living. My response was to invite him to mass on Sunday. He had never been to church. He is back home now and with my encouragement he is out of that job and running a gym himself and breeding and showing American Staffs internationally.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 04:45 PM
Yes, we met at the gym, he is a champion kick boxer. He wanted to learn to speak English and was from my native country. After some time he told me what he did for a living. My response was to invite him to mass on Sunday. He had never been to church. He is back home now and with my encouragement he is out of that job and running a gym himself and breeding and showing American Staffs internationally.
Great! Your friendship may have saved a life.
Long ago, in a life I hardly remember, was very good friends with former president of a Hells Angel's chapter. A wonderful, friendly, generous and kind fellow to my wife and I. Pretty sure not everyone shared our opinion of him or his wife. But, we treat others the way we would like to be treated. Works for us.
Topspinmo
02-22-2024, 05:06 PM
For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.
It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.
It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice
I think you need more cameras :eclipsee_gold_cup:
Topspinmo
02-22-2024, 05:17 PM
Fictional scenario designed, apparently, to dissuade folks from taking necessary legal steps for protecting themselves and their property from abuse.
Please explain why you have experience to make a claim or I can say fictional delusion.
Topspinmo
02-22-2024, 05:33 PM
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
I highly doubt shooting bbs guns in villages is allowed at resident outside.
Have you ever been shot with BB gun?
BBs are hard to find once penetration. That would be considered animal cruelty and you would probably get arrested.
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 05:45 PM
Please explain why you have experience to make a claim or I can say fictional delusion.
Just didn't sound realistic to me. Did it all actually happen?
JMintzer
02-22-2024, 06:37 PM
Pairadocs, I'm interested to know where this happens. It boggles my mind.
Is it a newer area south of 44, or just north, like Pinellas?
We've lived in Tamarind Grove sine 2012 and have almost never had a problem with people not picking up after their dogs. Twice, but we tracked it down to a visitor.
People on TOTV keep bringing this up, though, so I'm curious to know where it is happening.
I know... I've never seen a "dog walker" with a pack of dogs on leashes...
JMintzer
02-22-2024, 06:39 PM
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
Unbelievable...
CFrance
02-22-2024, 06:44 PM
For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.
It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.
It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice
Sorry, it's not happening in our neighborhood. And I'm all over it every day with my dogs. Maybe people in Tamarind Grove are more responsible.
Taltarzac725
02-22-2024, 07:54 PM
I highly doubt shooting bbs guns in villages is allowed at resident outside.
Have you ever been shot with BB gun?
BBs are hard to find once penetration. That would be considered animal cruelty and you would probably get arrested.
I have. As a teen a very disturbed "friend" aimed a BB gun at my eyes. I had been fooled to come into the house so that X could show me something by Y. X then picked up a BB gun and aimed it at my face. I told him that shooting between my fingers would be harder than hitting my eye. He, fortunately, took that suggestion but missed and put a BB into my left pinky. The bone stopped it but for some reason I did not feel anything.
The Reno, Nevada kid was soon in a mental ward or whatever they had back in the early 1970s for kids with profound problems as Y probably told his parents as well as Y's parents told X's parents.
I squeezed my pinky and BB flew out on the way home. I told my parents I got my finger stuck on barb wire but doubt if they believed me as I did not gave to get a shot for possibly infection.
BBs can take eyes out easily. And will penetrate a stomach wall. Dog at dog park I go to on occasion had a lot of BBs still inside it and hated kids as that was who shot him full of BBs. The dog owners would need to quickly get a leash on the poor dog whenever a kid entered the dog park. They would have had a good amount of time to do that from where they usually sat at the dog park as they could seen who was coming in and would have had a few minutes to get the dog under control.
I did research the present X who is a Reno businessman.
Velvet
02-22-2024, 08:01 PM
Why, why, why would anybody harm an obedient dog? That is just following the owner’s expectations?
fdpaq0580
02-22-2024, 08:10 PM
Why, why, why would anybody harm an obedient dog? That is just following the owner’s expectations?
If the owner was not acting responsible and the dog presented a clear and present danger the dog may be the best option for neutralizing the danger.
Maker
02-23-2024, 06:58 AM
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".
Shooting at a dog is animal abuse. Even using a BB.
Taltarzac725
02-23-2024, 07:10 AM
Shooting at a dog is animal abuse. Even using a BB.
And if it is with its owner nearby it is a lot worse.
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Velvet
02-23-2024, 09:00 AM
If the owner was not acting responsible and the dog presented a clear and present danger the dog may be the best option for neutralizing the danger.
In some rural areas dogs are used as guard dogs. When one goes walking (not on private property) these dogs often warn with a growl to stay off their property. Postal carriers etc walk with a significant stick and in an immediate attack scenario, use rocks too. Most dogs back off except, highly trained ones. But it is self defense. I wouldn’t categorize using your lawn as a personal attack. In my opinion, it is not the dog, it is the owner you need to train.
Jayhawk
02-23-2024, 09:08 AM
In my opinion, it is not the dog, it is the owner you need to train.
Groundhog Day. Again.
Velvet
02-23-2024, 09:10 AM
Groundhog Day. Again.
When the dog tells the owner what to do, I’ll reverse my position. I don’t understand why owners try to justify their anti social behavior though. Do you?
Jayhawk
02-23-2024, 09:22 AM
When the dog tells the owner what to do, I’ll reverse my position. I don’t understand why owners try to justify their anti social behavior though. Do you?
This approach is way more "anti-social" than a dog doing the same thing the rabbits, squirrels, rats, mice, snakes, bugs, birds, coyotes, foxes, and who knows what else does in your yard. And they NEVER pick it up. The dog owners do 99+% of the time. And why don't all of those wild critters damage the yard? Because it is less of an issue than the fertilizer and pest control you put on your grass.
Relax. Take a breath. Get to know people and dogs without letting it drive you mad.
Hey, you asked.
Velvet
02-23-2024, 09:30 AM
This approach is way more "anti-social" than a dog doing the same thing the rabbits, squirrels, rats, mice, snakes, bugs, birds, coyotes, foxes, and who knows what else does in your yard. And they NEVER pick it up. The dog owners do 99+% of the time. And why don't all of those wild critters damage the yard? Because it is less of an issue than the fertilizer and pest control you put on your grass.
Relax. Take a breath. Get to know people and dogs without letting it drive you mad.
Hey, you asked.
You seem to miss/ignore the point that wild animals are not under the supervision of human owners. The owners are well aware of what their dog is doing. One neighbor I have written about previously, has had brain surgery relatively recently. It looked like he was not going to make it. He had to learn to talk and walk again (praise the Lord). I just saw him again this morning. He walks on the street with his little pooch and what even surgery didn’t take from him, is to stay off people’s lawns. So what;s wrong with the other people?
golfing eagles
02-23-2024, 09:32 AM
This is way off topic, but..........
Has anybody noticed that dog poop threads go on for hundreds of threads, roundabout threads have a life of their own, but climate change threads started by a weather club member who doubts the narrative of manmade climate change get closed pretty quickly. Anyone suspect an agenda?
Velvet
02-23-2024, 09:37 AM
This is way off topic, but..........
Has anybody noticed that dog poop threads go on for hundreds of threads, roundabout threads have a life of their own, but climate change threads started by a weather club member who doubts the narrative of manmade climate change get closed pretty quickly. Anyone suspect an agenda?
Point made. Thanks.
golfing eagles
02-23-2024, 09:40 AM
Point made. Thanks.
Now, want to guess the over/under on how long that post lasts? (Which would actually further make my point:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)
Taltarzac725
02-23-2024, 09:41 AM
This is way off topic, but..........
Has anybody noticed that dog poop threads go on for hundreds of threads, roundabout threads have a life of their own, but climate change threads started by a weather club member who doubts the narrative of manmade climate change get closed pretty quickly. Anyone suspect an agenda?
Well if the poop stinks....
fdpaq0580
02-23-2024, 11:29 AM
In some rural areas dogs are used as guard dogs. When one goes walking (not on private property) these dogs often warn with a growl to stay off their property. Postal carriers etc walk with a significant stick and in an immediate attack scenario, use rocks too. Most dogs back off except, highly trained ones. But it is self defense. I wouldn’t categorize using your lawn as a personal attack. In my opinion, it is not the dog, it is the owner you need to train.
Yes. But in rare instances owners may not be present, dogs could be feral/wild or rabid. That is why I say dog is not usually the problem. There is a possibility of unforseen circumstances.
fdpaq0580
02-23-2024, 11:47 AM
This approach is way more "anti-social" than a dog doing the same thing the rabbits, squirrels, rats, mice, snakes, bugs, birds, coyotes, foxes, and who knows what else does in your yard. And they NEVER pick it up. The dog owners do 99+% of the time. And why don't all of those wild critters damage the yard? Because it is less of an issue than the fertilizer and pest control you put on your grass.
Relax. Take a breath. Get to know people and dogs without letting it drive you mad.
Hey, you asked.
Bringing wildlife into the discussion is just a deflection, an attempt to draw away from the subject, which is social responsibility and respect for the right of property owners. Wild creatures can and do damage our yards. Mole crickets, but we can poison, crush and kill them with impunity. If your neighbor owned a cow, coyote or mole cricket, he/she should not allow them into your yard. It's not about the dog! It's about the owner!
Jayhawk
02-23-2024, 11:50 AM
You seem to miss/ignore the point that wild animals are not under the supervision of human owners. The owners are well aware of what their dog is doing. One neighbor I have written about previously, has had brain surgery relatively recently. It looked like he was not going to make it. He had to learn to talk and walk again (praise the Lord). I just saw him again this morning. He walks on the street with his little pooch and what even surgery didn’t take from him, is to stay off people’s lawns. So what;s wrong with the other people?
You seem to miss the point.
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER?
Who cares? If the poop being picked up isn't bothering you, and you seem to acknowledge the other animals do the same without having it removed, why cause yourself heartburn? It is not harming your yard despite what some few people seem to think. The end of our street has a light pole. Every dog without fail whizzes on the thing. Guess what? The grass is greener and stronger than most of the yards. People need to get over themselves.
fdpaq0580
02-23-2024, 11:55 AM
Groundhog Day. Again.
Until the message gets through!
Jayhawk
02-23-2024, 12:02 PM
I just saw him again this morning. He walks on the street with his little pooch and what even surgery didn’t take from him, is to stay off people’s lawns. So what;s wrong with the other people?
Other people don't live near you. And it sounds like such a fun, friendly street.
If that's the best he remembers, you apparently have made quite an impression.
Eg_cruz
02-23-2024, 12:48 PM
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?
Let us know how you solve the problem
Jayhawk
02-23-2024, 12:54 PM
Let us know how you solve the problem
Not likely. OP hasn't been back since the day of the first post. But it got the usual negative natives stirred up, which may have been the intent.
fdpaq0580
02-23-2024, 04:34 PM
Not likely. OP hasn't been back since the day of the first post. But it got the usual negative natives stirred up, which may have been the intent.
And we were having such a good time and really making a real difference. 😏
Taltarzac725
02-23-2024, 09:20 PM
I recall a hot headed woman coming out and admonishing me the I had not picked up my dog's poop. I did not as he ate it first. He was out on the street before being picked up by a dog catcher in a Crystal River neighborhood for an unknown amount of time but had been very thin when Max's Pet Connection got him from a kill shelter and had him available to adopt during a Pet Adoption event.
Some pooches recycle. Gross but **it happens.
fdpaq0580
02-23-2024, 09:32 PM
I recall a hot headed woman coming out and admonishing me the I had not picked up my dog's poop. I did not as he ate it first. He was out on the street before being picked up by a dog catcher in a Crystal River neighborhood for an unknown amount of time but had been very thin when Max's Pet Connection got him from a kill shelter and had him available to adopt during a Pet Adoption event.
Some pooches recycle. Gross but **it happens.
And then they lick your face! Ah, how sweet! 😟😟😟
CFrance
02-23-2024, 10:18 PM
You seem to miss the point.
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER?
Who cares? If the poop being picked up isn't bothering you, and you seem to acknowledge the other animals do the same without having it removed, why cause yourself heartburn? It is not harming your yard despite what some few people seem to think. The end of our street has a light pole. Every dog without fail whizzes on the thing. Guess what? The grass is greener and stronger than most of the yards. People need to get over themselves.
If I may directly address another poster... you have been the voice of reason throughout.
Taltarzac725
02-23-2024, 10:24 PM
And then they lick your face! Ah, how sweet!
Actually my dog does not do that.
And often I can get to the poop before he eats it and scoop it up and put it in a bag.
Cannot do that at the dog park as he runs way ahead. A CT or somewhere up there in New England Villager retiree who worked as a supply manager for a number of vet offices had suggested I sprinkle Adolf's Meat Tenderizer on his food. This contains some kind of chemicals which make the poop unappetizing to the dog who dropped it. And other dogs I suppose. It worked well. But it only works for some pooches. Meat Tenderizer in Dog Food: All FAQs answered - Healthy Homemade Dog Treats (https://healthyhomemadedogtreats.com/meat-tenderizer-in-dog-food-all-faqs-answered/#:~:text=The%20whole%20idea%20of%20adding%20meat%2 0tenderizer%20to,by%20the%20enzyme%20and%20MSG%20i n%20the%20tenderizer).
fdpaq0580
02-24-2024, 08:52 AM
Actually my dog does not do that.
And often I can get to the poop before he eats it and scoop it up and put it in a bag.
Cannot do that at the dog park as he runs way ahead. A CT or somewhere up there in New England Villager retiree who worked as a supply manager for a number of vet offices had suggested I sprinkle Adolf's Meat Tenderizer on his food. This contains some kind of chemicals which make the poop unappetizing to the dog who dropped it. And other dogs I suppose. It worked well. But it only works for some pooches. Meat Tenderizer in Dog Food: All FAQs answered - Healthy Homemade Dog Treats (https://healthyhomemadedogtreats.com/meat-tenderizer-in-dog-food-all-faqs-answered/#:~:text=The%20whole%20idea%20of%20adding%20meat%2 0tenderizer%20to,by%20the%20enzyme%20and%20MSG%20i n%20the%20tenderizer).
While I am a former dog owner and I like dogs very much, I do understand that they are dogs and dogs are not noted for being sanitary. My last dog was a massive St Bernard. Lots of fur and gallons of drool. He was great!
But, sometimes, EWww!
Taltarzac725
02-24-2024, 09:26 AM
While I am a former dog owner and I like dogs very much, I do understand that they are dogs and dogs are not noted for being sanitary. My last dog was a massive St Bernard. Lots of fur and gallons of drool. He was great!
But, sometimes, EWww!
I can relate.
Bill14564
02-24-2024, 01:58 PM
For anyone who even remotely considered the BB gun advice from yesterday:
Man allegedly points BB gun at neighbor for allowing workers on his lawn (https://www.leesburg-news.com/2024/02/23/man-allegedly-points-bb-gun-at-neighbor-for-allowing-workers-on-his-lawn/)
Yes, I know the advice was to shoot at the dog and not point the gun at the owner but do you really want to take the chance that the "he said / she said" will go your way?
Dotneko
02-24-2024, 02:19 PM
You seem to miss the point.
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER?
Who cares? If the poop being picked up isn't bothering you, and you seem to acknowledge the other animals do the same without having it removed, why cause yourself heartburn? It is not harming your yard despite what some few people seem to think. The end of our street has a light pole. Every dog without fail whizzes on the thing. Guess what? The grass is greener and stronger than most of the yards. People need to get over themselves.
You seem to miss the point.
IT. IS. MY. PROPERTY
A dog owner does not get to let their creature use my lawn as a toilet.
Is it OK if you decide to have a picnic on my lawn? By your logic, if you clean up after yourself, then the answer is yes. Use my pool? Sure.
Im guessing you are part of the problem...letting poopsie poop with impunity.
Byte1
02-24-2024, 02:21 PM
A few years ago, before I started paying for my lawn treatment, I was spraying my lawn to kill weeds in preparation to fertilizing. My neighbor (dog owner) asked me if I would come over and notify her when I treated my lawn so that her dog would not be injured when using my lawn. I was too stunned to answer, but later put a sign in my yard with a skull and crossbones which said "Toxic Waste." Later, she stopped by when I was in the yard and pointed at the sign and said "I don't get it." EXACTLY!! Some folks just don't get it.
Gpsma
02-24-2024, 03:17 PM
Ground beef rolled up with exlax and some pepper flakes inside.
Toss on lawn, just before neighbor lets the flea infested mongrel out to yoir lawn.
Sometime during the day…neighbor will not be fast enough to let said mongrel out in time.
Taltarzac725
02-24-2024, 03:42 PM
Ground beef rolled up with exlax and some pepper flakes inside.
Toss on lawn, just before neighbor lets the flea infested mongrel out to yoir lawn.
Sometime during the day…neighbor will not be fast enough to let said mongrel out in time.
That could harm the pooch. I have had to pick up dog poop on my own yard once in a while. Not from my dog.
Bill14564
02-24-2024, 03:42 PM
Ground beef rolled up with exlax and some pepper flakes inside.
Toss on lawn, just before neighbor lets the flea infested mongrel out to yoir lawn.
Sometime during the day…neighbor will not be fast enough to let said mongrel out in time.
Oh yeah, baiting and poisoning... that will go over well in court. "But I heard it was okay on ToTV."
fdpaq0580
02-24-2024, 04:30 PM
You seem to miss the point.
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER?
Who cares? If the poop being picked up isn't bothering you, and you seem to acknowledge the other animals do the same without having it removed, why cause yourself heartburn? It is not harming your yard despite what some few people seem to think. The end of our street has a light pole. Every dog without fail whizzes on the thing. Guess what? The grass is greener and stronger than most of the yards. People need to get over themselves.
"Who cares?" A lot of folks care, that is why these threads go on and on!
"You seem to miss the point". No, you miss the point!
"It's not harming your yard". If it is not your yard, then you don't get to make that decision.
"Why cause yourself heartburn". We don't! The jackazzez that use neighbors yard as toilets are trespassing and they are causing the heartburn.
"People need to get over themselves". Agree! The self entitled jackazzez that think they can abuse their neighbors by using their lawns as dog toilets need to get over [B]themselves/B] and start acting in a responsible and respectful way toward their neighbors.
Quit acting like it's no big deal. It is! Every time you trespass on a neighbors lawn, you are saying that you have no respect for them. You are, in effect, giving them the finger.
Be a good neighbor! Or is that too much ask?
JMintzer
02-24-2024, 05:07 PM
Ground beef rolled up with exlax and some pepper flakes inside.
Toss on lawn, just before neighbor lets the flea infested mongrel out to yoir lawn.
Sometime during the day…neighbor will not be fast enough to let said mongrel out in time.
Disgusting...
fdpaq0580
02-24-2024, 05:13 PM
Disgusting...
Actually, ground paper steak was delicious! And the exlax cured my constipation. Win win! 😉
JMintzer
02-24-2024, 05:25 PM
Actually, ground paper steak was delicious! And the exlax cured my constipation. Win win! 😉
I always though that you were full of... Oh look... a bunny! :1rotfl:
cucaracha
02-24-2024, 11:01 PM
Sprinkle Cayenne pepper on your yard. You won't need much. Dogs' sniffers will not like it and it won't hurt them.
But won’t the scheduled sprinkle system dilute and or wash away the black pepper?
Marathon Man
02-25-2024, 08:36 AM
hi i had it happen to me so i just put in the street and all the walkers were mad i just sed you pick it up
And here I thought that letting your dog poop in someone's yard was at the bottom of the list. I stand corrected.
fdpaq0580
02-25-2024, 11:03 AM
And here I thought that letting your dog poop in someone's yard was at the bottom of the list. I stand corrected.
Perhaps. What would you recommend he/she do? Set the impression and expectation that one is happy to clean up the crap others leave behind? Or, let it be known that you will not be the servant of others rude and disrespectful behavior. Since signs, even small, are not allowed, how do you suggest they get the message out. Other than, say, complain right here.
Maker
02-25-2024, 12:06 PM
Ground beef rolled up with exlax and some pepper flakes inside.
Toss on lawn, just before neighbor lets the flea infested mongrel out to yoir lawn.
Sometime during the day…neighbor will not be fast enough to let said mongrel out in time.
What a disgusting comment.
Never again will I read that hate. Click on their profile, then "user lists" then "ignore"
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