Florida is the worst state in the country when it comes to tax fairness!

[Rainger99]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

[retiredguy123]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "fair"? Everyone doesn't agree that high income people should pay a higher tax rate than low income people.

[ThirdOfFive]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)
Heh. "Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Like art. If you like it, it's good.

Moving here from Minnesota about four years ago...

1. My income tax bill has shrunk by about 1/3. Minnesota (where I hail from) is 4th highest in State income tax paid. Florida has no state income tax.

2. I pay quite a bit less in property tax in Florida...on a house that is valued at nearly twice my former home.

3. I don't have to pay for a fishing license in Florida.

4. Law enforcement (funded by tax money) is far better and more reliable here than back where I came from.

5. I pay nearly a full percent less in sales tax in Florida than I did before I moved here.

6. Minnesota ranks 5th in the nation in state estate taxes collected. Florida HAS no state estate tax. Important. Especially now.

7. The license fee on our primary vehicle is nearly 70% LESS per year than it was in Minnesota.

These seven items are what just came to mind. There are probably more financial advantages to living here than the ones listed.

Fair?

Oh yeah!!

[manaboutown]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

I don't know about fairer but they do have much higher taxes which is why folks who can are fleeing them for states such as Florida and Texas. They also tend to have very high crime rates and terrible public schools within their large cities. DC stands for Dangerous City nowadays.

[Stu from NYC]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

So we should pay more in taxes to make tax rates fair? Florida has much lower tax rates than anyplace else we have lived and has no problem balancing its budget and supplying essential services.

[Normal]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

[Dusty_Star]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

I disagree with ITEP. My previous state is somewhere near the middle of the list, but the taxes go to corruption in the state capital, & meanwhile bridges fall down & other maintenance is sorely neglected.

[kkingston57]

Heh. "Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Like art. If you like it, it's good.

Moving here from Minnesota about four years ago...

1. My income tax bill has shrunk by about 1/3. Minnesota (where I hail from) is 4th highest in State income tax paid. Florida has no state income tax.

2. I pay quite a bit less in property tax in Florida...on a house that is valued at nearly twice my former home.

3. I don't have to pay for a fishing license in Florida.

4. Law enforcement (funded by tax money) is far better and more reliable here than back where I came from.

5. I pay nearly a full percent less in sales tax in Florida than I did before I moved here.

6. Minnesota ranks 5th in the nation in state estate taxes collected. Florida HAS no state estate tax. Important. Especially now.

7. The license fee on our primary vehicle is nearly 70% LESS per year than it was in Minnesota.

These seven items are what just came to mind. There are probably more financial advantages to living here than the ones listed.

Fair?

Oh yeah!!

Can not disagree except for law enforcement. In TV crime is very low mostly due to the fact that people living in TV are a lot less likely to be involved in major crimes due to age and socio economic conditions. Big complaint here mostly involves speeding golf carts, DUI(mostly golf carts)

[Blueblaze]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

That must be why everybody is leaving Florida to live in DC, New York, New Jersey, and California! All that "fairness"! Probably the same reason 9 million people illegally invaded Mexico in the last three years on their way to all that "fairness" in Venezuela, Iran, Somalia, and China!

Oh look -- the Opposite World News also says the sun is going to start rising in the West! About time! Only fair!

[PugMom]

you haven't been to Ct., have you??

[Kenswing]

That must be why everybody is leaving Florida to live in DC, New York, New Jersey, and California! All that "fairness"! Probably the same reason 9 million people illegally invaded Mexico in the last three years on their way to all that "fairness" in Venezuela, Iran, Somalia, and China!

Oh look -- the Opposite World News also says the sun is going to start rising in the West! About time! Only fair!

Exactly. Just more clickbait from the OP.

[Pugchief]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.


If you believe that to actually be the case, I suggest you try living in one of these places to experience the reality instead of some propaganda site's fantasy.

The #1 reason people are fleeing those jurisdictions for TX and FL is taxes.

[JohnN]

I've lived "there", I'll stay "here", fairness is in the eye of the beholder

[n8xwb]

The article makes no sense to me! For example they state, "These states tax their poorest residents — those in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale — at rates averaging three times higher than those charged to the wealthy."
Last I checked the only taxes we have in Florida are sales tax & property tax. Both of those rates have nothing to do with being rich or poor. If you buy more, you pay more. If you own a larger home you pay more. What's wrong with that? Works for me!

[Rainger99]

If you believe that to actually be the case, I suggest you try living in one of these places to experience the reality instead of some propaganda site's fantasy.


I didn’t say I believed it. I posted it because it pertains to the state where all of us live.

And I thought it might get comments from people who live in the more progressive states to see what they think of the study.

So far most of them appear to disagree with the study.

[margaretmattson]

So we should pay more in taxes to make tax rates fair? Florida has much lower tax rates than anyplace else we have lived and has no problem balancing its budget and supplying essential services. The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

That must be why everybody is leaving Florida to live in DC, New York, New Jersey, and California! All that "fairness"! Probably the same reason 9 million people illegally invaded Mexico in the last three years on their way to all that "fairness" in Venezuela, Iran, Somalia, and China!

Oh look -- the Opposite World News also says the sun is going to start rising in the West! About time! Only fair!

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

Doesn't that way of thinking already provide opportunities for free educational opportunities that said people choose not to take advantage of? Will it make you feel better that I suffer more to pay the way of those who don't strive to reach their full potential? Unfortunately I've witnessed that some folks lives are centered around handouts, and you are suggesting I empty my pockets to support them even more?

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

This is yet another liberal media trying to get people to feel they are wrong if they live in Florida and people will feel good if they live in DC, NY, NJ, and California. Get it through your head, the liberal media is biased!
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[Rainger99]

Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

I have never seen a workable solution for that. Should people making under $30,000 a year have an ID card that exempts them from paying sales tax? If they did, I imagine a lot of their friends who were subject to sales tax would ask them to make purchases for them.

Or should they keep records of all the sales tax they pay and get a refund from the state every year?

When I was making $30,000 a year, my primary expenses were taxes (no sales tax), rent (no sales tax) and food (no sales tax). I paid very little sales tax because I had very little disposable income.

[Topspinmo]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

Wow, I was wondering why people are leaving high tax state. They just can’t get enough of high taxes so they moving to Florida :oops:

[Topspinmo]

The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

People earning low wage aren’t buying that much cause most of their money they use to survive. If you don’t buy nothing you don’t get taxed. Plus they get all federal income tax they pay in due to their low income.
So they not taxed as much as wealthy. Most likely they are public assistance which wealthy paying for?

I will Amit Florida property tax in some area’s for what have (lower income villagers that can own home)(like Marion county) can be OUTRAGEOUS.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "fair"? Everyone doesn't agree that high income people should pay a higher tax rate than low income people.

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

People earning low wage aren’t buying that much cause most of their money they use to survive. If you don’t buy nothing you don’t get taxed. Plus they get all federal income tax they pay in due to their low income.
So they not taxed as much as wealthy. Most likely they are public assistance which wealthy paying for?

I will Amit Florida property tax in some area’s for what have (lower income villagers that can own home)(like Marion county) can be OUTRAGEOUS.

People living in poverty still need to eat, still need toilet paper, still need clothing, shoes, electricity, hot water, heat when it's cold and cool air when it's sweltering hot, transportation to and from work assuming they are able to work and have jobs, soap and shampoo, still need all the same things that people who don't live in poverty need.

They already pay the same tax that the wealthy pay on those things. If you raise that tax, only the poor will feel the change. Another 50 cents a gallon in gas won't hurt someone in Florida who has $250,000/year in income. But it could force someone who only earns $20,000 a year to choose whether to buy fresh fruits and veggies and healthy proteins, or settle for the dollar menu at the fast food joint again, pushing themselves deeper into poor health just so they don't spend their day with an empty stomach.

[Caymus]

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

This article is about state and not federal taxes. Which states allow itemizing? People are moving to states with no state taxes.

[jimbomaybe]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

The answer comes to us from one of the states in the vanguard of economic justice. California Senate Hopeful Barbara Lee Wants $50 Per Hour Minimum Wage.

[Deandd]

They partner with citizens for tax justice and other lefties .. this same outfit claimed the inflation reduction act reduced taxes …. The deficit and inflation are also a form of federal government “taxation” …. ask anyone who moved here from NY, Illinois, California, NJ or any other heavy Blue state what their tax burden looks like now …. paid political announcement !!!!

[Two Bills]

So we should pay more in taxes to make tax rates fair? Florida has much lower tax rates than anyplace else we have lived and has no problem balancing its budget and supplying essential services.

Thanks to snowbirds, tourists and Uncle Walt!

[oneclickplus]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

It's a game of statistics. "Fair" is a subjective term. Take NJ for example. Incredibly high property tax rates. They are so high that their effect across the board essentially HIDES the unfairness based on how this study was done. In other words, if taxes took 100% of everyone's after-tax income, it would be the "fairest" according to this study. I call BS.

[Rainger99]

The answer comes to us from one of the states in the vanguard of economic justice. California Senate Hopeful Barbara Lee Wants $50 Per Hour Minimum Wage.

That would be $100,000 a year and $200,000 for a married couple! That would solve poverty.

[Normal]

Boy do I wish taxes were used for what they were originally intended for. At first the US didn’t even have income taxes. Then they had to fund war debt etc. Now we have so many “great ideas” being funded we lose about half of what we bring in.

Why can’t taxes just fund national security and good roads? I’m sure more “great ideas” from politicians will be in the pipes for the next session of congress too.

[TeresaE]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

The ITEP “Study” fails to paint the whole picture when it comes to comparing the percentage people of different income levels pay in different states. The study makes assumptions and it omits several factors.

For example, the study assumes that because Florida has no income tax that lower income residents pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than higher income residents because the states without income tax rely on property and sales tax to make up the difference. That’s a big assumption. Here’s why.

The study fails to take into consideration the fact that Florida has no state income tax because it relies heavily on income derived from tourism, which benefits all Floridians.

The study also omits the numerous sales, gas and toll tax holidays Florida has to “give back” to its residents.

The study fails to add in the numerous taxes many states have to raise revenue, such as New Jersey’s exit tax or California’s business start up taxes.

It doesn’t compare the various sales tax rates on goods and services and how they affect the take home income of lower income households. For example, California has the highest sales tax rate in the nation at 7.25% where as Florida’s is 6.0%.

Without taking all factors into consideration, there is no way to really know which states have the most overall regressive taxes.

Therefore, I give this article an F.

[midiwiz]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

That is only here. TV doesn't count. sorry

[BlueStarAirlines]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

They are a little too biased and liberal to be taken seriously (ITEP – Informing tax policy debate nationwide (https://itep.org/) ).

[Altawood]

A Flat Tax in all areas-Federal, State and local would be easier, eliminate 90% of accountants and tax lawyers and be perceived as fair. Everyone has to pay taxes in order to keep tax rates lower and everyone ‘invested’ in the system.

[Normal]

A Flat Tax in all areas-Federal, State and local would be easier, eliminate 90% of accountants and tax lawyers and be perceived as fair. Everyone has to pay taxes in order to keep tax rates lower and everyone ‘invested’ in the system.

Amen! Future needs could just be adjusted with consumption taxes leaving groceries out of the mix!

[Dusty_Star]

I didn’t say I believed it.

Rainger dude, you most certainly did. This is your post:

Florida is the worst state in the country when it comes to tax fairness!
The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

If you don't believe an article, then write your own intro.

[Cobullymom]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)
What clowns did this study? We know what political persuasion they were of. Florida doesn't even have a state employment tax. It sounds more like a subjective study.

[Cobullymom]

The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.
So you really think that taxation rates vary in the grocery stores or any other places people shop according to their wages? Oh my...smdh, a tax is a tax regardless of what state you live in. That applies to every state.

[MandoMan]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

The article says, “ Essentially, it answers the following question: Are incomes more, or less, equal after state taxes than before? If high-income taxpayers are left with a higher percentage of their pre-tax income to spend on their day-to-day living and to save for the future than low- and middle-income taxpayers, the tax system is regressive and receives a negative Tax Inequality Index value.”

In other words, “Rob the Rich and Pay the Poor.” In places like DC, NJ, NY, and CA, however, it’s not “the rich” who get soaked. It’s most homeowners, most people with decent jobs that pay an average income. Presidents Obama and Biden suggested raising federal income taxes on income over $400,000 a year for a single person. Hardly anyone in The Villages has ever made that sort of money. I certainly never did. It wouldn’t affect us negatively. But these are states that are soaking people making over $50,000 a year. I don’t want to “end income inequality.” That’s a Communist idea, even if most of the people clamoring for it don’t realize it’s a Communist idea. Down that road lies madness, as they say.

[Normal]

So do taxes pay for government services? Or do taxes close the gaps on income distribution? Fairly slimy questions for greedy power grabbing government agencies.

[defrey12]

The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.

It’s kind of funny that the article fails to mention the most regressive of taxes—and it doesn’t matter where one lives—Social Security from one’s paycheck. 7.5% directly to the Federal Government on every dollar earned, every paycheck. One doesn’t even get to see those dollars…gone before one gets their check.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

Then retire there, simple decision.

[lpkruege1]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

I'm sure if you want to experience true, they will take you and your money.

[KenLee100]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

This is great news for you! Since so many people are bailing out of those wonderful states, you will have your pick of places to live. God speed and best of luck!

[retiredguy123]

It’s kind of funny that the article fails to mention the most regressive of taxes—and it doesn’t matter where one lives—Social Security from one’s paycheck. 7.5% directly to the Federal Government on every dollar earned, every paycheck. One doesn’t even get to see those dollars…gone before one gets their check.
Everyone pays 7.5 percent into Social Security, but, when they receive the benefits, low income people get a much higher income return on the amount they paid in as compared to high income earners. Also, some high income people pay a Medicare premium of about $600 per month to receive the exact same benefit that low income people receive for $175 per month.

[biker1]

The group that wrote the article is left wing but you are correct that SS is regressive, especially if you make over the maximum that is taxed. However, when it comes time to retire, the benefits are not linear with your contributions; lower income folks get a proportionally larger benefit. Also, SS is of greater benefit for lower income folks as they may not save anything for retirement if they are struggling to pay the bills. You do actually get to "see" the dollars. You can go to the SS website at see your benefits summary.

It’s kind of funny that the article fails to mention the most regressive of taxes—and it doesn’t matter where one lives—Social Security from one’s paycheck. 7.5% directly to the Federal Government on every dollar earned, every paycheck. One doesn’t even get to see those dollars…gone before one gets their check.

[Rainger99]

Rainger dude, you most certainly did. This is your post:

Florida is the worst state in the country when it comes to tax fairness!
The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

If you don't believe an article, then write your own intro.

This is a quote from the article. “Florida, on the other hand, has the most regressive state and local tax system.”

The article also lists the states from most regressive to least regressive and Florida was listed first.

The intro was an accurate summary of the article.

Just because someone posts an article doesn’t mean they agree or disagree with it.

[TomPerry]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)
Please note, the Blue States on the map at the link are considered “the fairest” and they also give you the highest combined income/sales taxes, regulation, crime and intercity filth!

[Eariquier]

Heh. "Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Like art. If you like it, it's good.

Moving here from Minnesota about four years ago...

1. My income tax bill has shrunk by about 1/3. Minnesota (where I hail from) is 4th highest in State income tax paid. Florida has no state income tax.

2. I pay quite a bit less in property tax in Florida...on a house that is valued at nearly twice my former home.

3. I don't have to pay for a fishing license in Florida.

4. Law enforcement (funded by tax money) is far better and more reliable here than back where I came from.

5. I pay nearly a full percent less in sales tax in Florida than I did before I moved here.

6. Minnesota ranks 5th in the nation in state estate taxes collected. Florida HAS no state estate tax. Important. Especially now.

7. The license fee on our primary vehicle is nearly 70% LESS per year than it was in Minnesota.

These seven items are what just came to mind. There are probably more financial advantages to living here than the ones listed.

Fair?

Oh yeah!!
Thanks for sharing the facts. Have had a similar experience with Massachusetts (TAXachussets) would never go back!

[FredMitchell]

Maybe the best definition of "fair" in taxation would be that the amount is per capita!

Using a rate as a measure of fairness is a cheap trick used by the politicians who created federal income taxes. It was created to appeal to the broader base of lower income and wealth. Do people who pay more at the same rate get preferential services from the government?

With a flat tax, not rate, politicians could be asked how much their programs would cost per person. I can't think of a more effective tool to reduce the budget.

People can't fathom $1 billion. They can understand $3 per person.

[Jazzman]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)


This is a left leaning liberal “think tank” as categorized by many independent organizations that focus on tax codes across all levels of government. For an analysis of the ITEP opinion, go to tax foundation.org for an unbiased review and analysis.

[dshoberg]

Heh. "Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Like art. If you like it, it's good.

Moving here from Minnesota about four years ago...

1. My income tax bill has shrunk by about 1/3. Minnesota (where I hail from) is 4th highest in State income tax paid. Florida has no state income tax.

2. I pay quite a bit less in property tax in Florida...on a house that is valued at nearly twice my former home.

3. I don't have to pay for a fishing license in Florida.

4. Law enforcement (funded by tax money) is far better and more reliable here than back where I came from.

5. I pay nearly a full percent less in sales tax in Florida than I did before I moved here.

6. Minnesota ranks 5th in the nation in state estate taxes collected. Florida HAS no state estate tax. Important. Especially now.

7. The license fee on our primary vehicle is nearly 70% LESS per year than it was in Minnesota.

These seven items are what just came to mind. There are probably more financial advantages to living here than the ones listed.

Fair?

Oh yeah!!
We're also from MN...everything you stated plus political views prompted our move to FL

[Haggar]

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

Here's the reality on rich people's "itemized deductions".

Itemized deductions for the most are taxes, mortgage interest, medical and charity.

Most "rich" people have paid off their mortgage - so no interest.
Sales & real estate taxes are capped at $10,000.
Medical expenses are reduced by 7.5% of income so usually no deduction there.
Which leaves charity - some "rich" don't give charity - the result is they use the standard deduction.

So if charity really is the only mechanism which pushes taxpayers into itemized deductions and you take away that - how will that effect charitable giving? Many good minded will not change their habits but the others may stop giving. Do we want that?

[mikemalloy]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)
It's only 90 miles from that fair country Cuba. I don't see too many Floriadians fleeing to that equality paradise.

[Topspinmo]

People living in poverty still need to eat, still need toilet paper, still need clothing, shoes, electricity, hot water, heat when it's cold and cool air when it's sweltering hot, transportation to and from work assuming they are able to work and have jobs, soap and shampoo, still need all the same things that people who don't live in poverty need.

They already pay the same tax that the wealthy pay on those things. If you raise that tax, only the poor will feel the change. Another 50 cents a gallon in gas won't hurt someone in Florida who has $250,000/year in income. But it could force someone who only earns $20,000 a year to choose whether to buy fresh fruits and veggies and healthy proteins, or settle for the dollar menu at the fast food joint again, pushing themselves deeper into poor health just so they don't spend their day with an empty stomach.


If YOU?

Hey! there few thing I don’t like but taxes on anything is one of them. The federal government makes more on gallon of gas than producers. Federal, state, and local governments are solely responsible for high taxes or taxes. The problems are they won’t manage other people’s money and just pluck more from money tree of its citizens after all the money tree never ending source.

If want blame someone put blame where it belongs.

[JRcorvette]

There are other States that cost a lot less to live in but you will need to be able to deal with their weather (cold and or show). Florida is not a cheap as it use to be… nothing is.

[manaboutown]

It’s kind of funny that the article fails to mention the most regressive of taxes—and it doesn’t matter where one lives—Social Security from one’s paycheck. 7.5% directly to the Federal Government on every dollar earned, every paycheck. One doesn’t even get to see those dollars…gone before one gets their check.

And yet one pays income tax on SS withholdings as if one actually received the money and could go out and spend it!

[Birdrm]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

That is not true in all areas of The VIllages, I moved here 2 years ago and bought a new courtyard villa and my total tax bill with the bond is $5200.

[mrf0151]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

Not sure what you are talking about actually. We have had a home in Florida for 20 years now.
Taxes on our 2000 square foot home is $2800.00 annually. Cost of living is much lower than the vast majority of other states.

[manaboutown]

This is a quote from the article. “Florida, on the other hand, has the most regressive state and local tax system.”

The article also lists the states from most regressive to least regressive and Florida was listed first.

The intro was an accurate summary of the article.

Just because someone posts an article doesn’t mean they agree or disagree with it.

But why post an "article" that is knowingly biased and false? I

[Topspinmo]

Here's the reality on rich people's "itemized deductions".

Itemized deductions for the most are taxes, mortgage interest, medical and charity.

Most "rich" people have paid off their mortgage - so no interest.
Sales & real estate taxes are capped at $10,000.
Medical expenses are reduced by 7.5% of income so usually no deduction there.
Which leaves charity - some "rich" don't give charity - the result is they use the standard deduction.

So if charity really is the only mechanism which pushes taxpayers into itemized deductions and you take away that - how will that effect charitable giving? Many good minded will not change their habits but the others may stop giving. Do we want that?


Charity’s not the big taxes deductions for filthy rich you can only give so much. it’s foundation’s. IMO That way they can control money and pay staff outrageous salary and probably get kick backs. Just like most charities 90% goes to maintaining the staff.

IMO they should be flat tax with NO deductions. I don’t care how many kids people have, that was their choice. I don’t care how many foundations have. You make this much you get taxes this much.

The only people that get really screwed at people that win big money. The federal government takes 37% right off top then you have file at end of year and pay more. No 1% ever pays 37% why the have army of lawyers to pay less than there secretary’s in taxes. Not my words the tax cheat words.

Tax laws are made up for rich by LAWYERS so they don’t have to pay their fair share by using hundreds of pages deductions tax rules. Middle class gets taxes the most cause that’s where majority fall in. But that will change in not so distant future. IMO there will only filthy rich and poor just like 3rd world.

[Topspinmo]

But why post an "article" that is knowingly biased and false? I

Why? Cause 49% believes anything.

[Dusty_Star]

This is a quote from the article. “Florida, on the other hand, has the most regressive state and local tax system.”
The article also lists the states from most regressive to least regressive and Florida was listed first. The intro was an accurate summary of the article.
Just because someone posts an article doesn’t mean they agree or disagree with it.

There is the article, & then there is your title & first line of comment. We all know you copied the title & the line of comment from the article, but by doing so you owned it.

I can not believe you don't see this. Were I to post an inflammatory title say something along the lines of 'All House Cats Stink' & then added more detailed commentary, if I also included a link to an article theoretically proving my title & comment, I would be justly vilified by many, many, cat loving TOTV users. Even if my title & comment were totally plagiarized from the article, it wouldn't absolve me responsibility from my post.

PS: I don't hate cats, it was an example. :laugh:

[Dusty_Star]

But why post an "article" that is knowingly biased and false? I

Excellent point

[MrFlorida]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

You are free to move to DC, New York, New Jersey, and California to have a fair tax system.

[Stu from NYC]

That would be $100,000 a year and $200,000 for a married couple! That would solve poverty.

Other than the fact that these so called minimum wage jobs would very quickly go away you are right. Perhaps our elected representatives should be forced to take and pass an economics class before being allowed on a ballot

[Rainger99]

Excellent point

This is an article from a think tank which basically trashes Florida's tax system as being the worst in the entire country. Many crazy ideas start in think tanks but then become policy or law.

I posted it because I thought people should be aware that there are groups that are targeting Florida because they believe it has the most unfair tax system in the country. And, if they had the power, they would change it.

[Nana2Teddy]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)
Sorry, but having just moved here a year ago from a lifetime in California I (and my hubs) are going to have to disagree.

[Rainger99]

Other than the fact that these so called minimum wage jobs would very quickly go away you are right. Perhaps our elected representatives should be forced to take and pass an economics class before being allowed on a ballot

I agree that there might be a few flaws in a $50 an hour minimum wage law! But if you got one of those $100,000 a year jobs, you would be in great shape! The law might even lure more migrants to this country to fill those jobs!

[Markus]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

Many homes in the state of Florida do not have a bond... OR... just buy a home that there IS no bond. You don't realize the infrastructure has to be paid by someone somehow. If there is no bond some tax somewhere that you pay IS paying for it.

[roamingelk]

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

The IRS has just released their numbers for 2022:
The top 1% earners paid 50% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% earners paid 34% of taxes. So, where do you come up with that the rich do not pay their share?? CNN???

[Markus]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

We came from Ohio to live in Florida for my job. Not yet living in TV but in a couple of years we will. Ohio has significantly higher property taxes than we have here and the house we live in here is $100,000 higher, state income tax, local income tax, library taxes, fire/police taxes, parks taxes, zoo taxes.... when you attend an event at a ballpark or outside venue you pay a big tax on top of the ticket price, Hotels are taxed very heavily... on and on and on.

[Topspinmo]

And yet one pays income tax on SS withholdings as if one actually received the money and could go out and spend it!

So say You can thank Ronnie for taxing retirement SS.

[Topspinmo]

I agree that there might be a few flaws in a $50 an hour minimum wage law! But if you got one of those $100,000 a year jobs, you would be in great shape! The law might even lure more migrants to this country to fill those jobs!

IMO majority of I. Migrants aren’t come here for jobs. :22yikes:

[jmsturm]

I find tax in Florida to be very fair. The big problem is insurances - both auto and home!!

[Starpilot]

The notion that higher income should pay more taxes is often misunderstood.
Higher income tax individuals, pay more tax than other in two ways. First they pay taxes on their higher income.... and secondly, at a much higher, disproportionate graduated tax rate.

Many say that too bad, they make so much money, they should pay more taxes, not realizing they are paying more and they are to be thanked for this. It's my experience that the lower income tax group have little to no understanding of our graduated tax rates. I hear election campains pointing to the issue that the rich are not paying their fair share of taxes, and for the most part this is an outright exploitation of those that do not know better. If it was true, or if you believe it to be true, you would have to agree. Unfortunitely, it's not even close to the truth.

Further, as you travel down income levels, there are those at the lowest levels that look for set-asides and all types of government handouts and assistance credits. Not that many of those people aren't needing, or deserving. But with those people set aside, there's way too many career exploiters who know the system all to well and take advantage on many levels. Those people are a burdon to us all and yet they carry a vote that campainers desperately want.

It wasn't long ago that the family structure didn't always include two working spouses. Now that is the norm and largely required to get by. These two individuals work hard, and with some success, they earn a fair living. Their combined income often classifies them as higher earners for which their tax rate is much greater than others that may not made the same sacrfices or effort. And if they live in or near an expensive city, they are just getting by as compared to the cost of living for someone living in a rural more casual area.

I applaud that working hard to make a better life, and underline that they are paying perhaps more than their fair share.

[manaboutown]

So say You can thank Ronnie for taxing retirement SS.

My post addressed paying tax on money withheld for SS.

Originally Posted by manaboutown View Post
And yet one pays income tax on SS withholdings as if one actually received the money and could go out and spend it!

Q2: Which political party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A2: There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.

From: Social Security History (https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html#:~:text=The%20taxation%20of%20 Social%20Security,President%20Reagan%20in%20April% 201983).

[manaboutown]

Texas benefits from taxation of oil and gas businesses. BTW its real estate taxes are relatively high, too. Nevada benefits from its gambling industry and taxes on tourism via hotels, rental cars and the like. Florida also benefits from tourism but hugely from retirees moving here to spend their latter years and retirement income on housing, food, entertainment and, unfortunately, medical care.

[Pugchief]

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

Clearly, you don't understand how itemizing works. The standard deduction for MFJ in 2023 is $27,200. In order to itemize, you need more than $27,200 in deductions (that's an awful lot of mortgage interest + real estate tax), and even then, the benefit is only the amount ABOVE the 27,200. You get either the standard or the itemization, not both. Very few people itemize anymore after the last remake of form 1040 when they raised the standard deduction so high. The net effect is that people with LOWER income get a standard deduction that is a much higher percentage of their income.

[manaboutown]

Clearly, you don't understand how itemizing works. The standard deduction for MFJ in 2023 is $27,200. In order to itemize, you need more than $27,200 in deductions (that's an awful lot of mortgage interest + real estate tax), and even then, the benefit is only the amount ABOVE the 27,200. You get either the standard or the itemization, not both. Very few people itemize anymore after the last remake of form 1040 when they raised the standard deduction so high. The net effect is that people with LOWER income get a standard deduction that is a much higher percentage of their income.

I am unable to itemize anymore. SALT deductions are limited to $10,000 which is both laughable and sad.

[Pugchief]

That is only here. TV doesn't count. sorry

As others have mentioned, nonsense. Designer home Sumpter county. Taxes with bond $5500.

Maybe if you are also paying Wildwood or Lady Lake it's more.

[Pugchief]

I am unable to itemize anymore. SALT deductions are limited to $10,000 which is both laughable and sad.

No, what's sad is that any state needs to collect real estate taxes high enough for you to go over $10K.

Florida FTW.

[Pugchief]

There are other States that cost a lot less to live in but you will need to be able to deal with their weather (cold and or show). Florida is not a cheap as it use to be… nothing is.

All true, but completely irrelevant to the topic.

[Pugchief]

Other than the fact that these so called minimum wage jobs would very quickly go away you are right. Perhaps our elected representatives should be forced to take and pass an economics class before being allowed on a ballot

The should also be required to pass a test on the US Constitution, as most of them have no idea what it's about.

[Pugchief]

I agree that there might be a few flaws in a $50 an hour minimum wage law! But if you got one of those $100,000 a year jobs, you would be in great shape!

Do you actually believe that statement?

Econ 101: If minimum wage is raised to $100k/year, the price of everything goes up to cover the additional wages, inflation skyrockets, and everyone can't afford food anymore.

[Dantes]

Everyone’s leaving New York I know the reason why the taxes are too low. They are coming to Florida so they can more. Taxes

[Ladays1978@gmail.com]

I didn’t say I believed it. I posted it because it pertains to the state where all of us live.

And I thought it might get comments from people who live in the more progressive states to see what they think of the study.

So far most of them appear to disagree with the study.
I Believe all disagreed not most!

[Normal]

As others have mentioned, nonsense. Designer home Sumpter county. Taxes with bond $5500.

Maybe if you are also paying Wildwood or Lady Lake it's more.

MUCH MOREon average for a designer add about 1500 per year.

[Rainger99]

Do you actually believe that statement?

Econ 101: If minimum wage is raised to $100k/year, the price of everything goes up to cover the additional wages, inflation skyrockets, and everyone can't afford food anymore.

I said that there might be a few flaws in a $50 an hour minimum wage law. You have pointed out one.

[Indydealmaker]

Move to Florida, taxes on a new home with bond average 10,000 a year plus, and that’s without amenities, insurances or your annual income taxes!

The bond payment is irrelevant. It is not a tax, but a deferred cost of the home. Everything covered by the bond is normally added to the home cost.

[kingofbeer]

Many homes in the state of Florida do not have a bond... OR... just buy a home that there IS no bond. You don't realize the infrastructure has to be paid by someone somehow. If there is no bond some tax somewhere that you pay IS paying for it.
The infrastructure cost should be added to the price of the house. CDD is a method for developers to make more money.

[gettingby]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

Just goes to show you that a study can be made to show what ever outcome is needed. Citizens are leaving in record numbers from each and every one of the states listed. I call BS on this study.

[cjrjck]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

From the net: "While self-described as politically neutral, Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy was described as a “liberal think tank” by Pew Research Center. 3The organization’s official Twitter account has posted and retweeted articles critical to President Trump’s tax policies. ITEP also posted a Salon article to their website alleging GOP donors to be the only class favorable to Trump’s tax cuts."

Enough said.

[jimjamuser]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "fair"? Everyone doesn't agree that high income people should pay a higher tax rate than low income people.
Most people agree that the rich should pay more ....that it is the fairest system. It makes a society, like the US once was, stronger because it encourages upward mobility and a strong middle class. A weak middle class is more vulnerable to takeover either externally or internally. If you think about it from the framework of ancient history. The stratified society of the Roman Empire fell apart as their leaders became too self-absorbed and eventually the Germanic Tribes prevailed. Countries fall apart internally at first.
.........Today the US tax system does NOT encourage upward mobility. So the middle class is left to ROT with problems of crime, drugs, suicide, race relations and other internal strife. Manufacturing technology is outsourced to China, which made GREAT wealth for one segment of the US society, and NOT the middle class.
..........The Florida tax system is designed to discourage upward mobility as is the amount of money spent on elementary and secondary public education. The principle in Florida Education is "elite" education.

[Byte1]

If high income people were only allowed to take the same standard deduction that lower income people had to take, then that'd be fair, right? No more itemizing, no more tax breaks, no more write-offs. Standard deduction for everyone. And you pay the same tax rate on the net income after that deduction.

Problem is, that means the ultra-high income folks would actually have to pay taxes. Right now they can itemize enough that they pay no income tax at all.

The ultra-low income also pay no income tax, or they end up with a full refund on what they've paid.

Everyone else pays to cover the ultra-low income AND the ultra-high income, both of whom pay no income tax. The ultra-low can't afford to pay it. The ultra-high income can afford it, but prefer to place the burden on everyone in the middle, including low (but not ultra-low) income people.

SO the "ultra-high income" folks don't pay taxes because they itemize? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Yes, they do get some breaks, BUT they also pay the majority of the income revenue going into the treasury that pays for all the benefits that the low income folks enjoy.
Do you realize that a lot of middle income level folks pay NO income taxes if they are a family of four? As a matter of fact, I know of one couple in the villages that has an income of over $70K a year and legally pays NO income tax.
Personally, I believe taxing any group of folks in America at a higher rate than anyone else should be a Constitutional violation regarding discrimination.

[jimjamuser]

The article makes no sense to me! For example they state, "These states tax their poorest residents — those in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale — at rates averaging three times higher than those charged to the wealthy."
Last I checked the only taxes we have in Florida are sales tax & property tax. Both of those rates have nothing to do with being rich or poor. If you buy more, you pay more. If you own a larger home you pay more. What's wrong with that? Works for me!
Sales tax is regressive - it hits poor people harder than rich people. Let's say 2 mothers are buying clothes and school supplies for their children. One mother is poor and the other is rich. They both buy the same total amount. The poor mother barely can afford her purchases and the additional sales tax is significant to HER. But not to the rich mother - the purchases AND the sales tax are just a small "drop in the bucket" to her.
.........That is why sales tax affects the upper class LESS than the lower class.
.........And as far as property tax goes, most lower class people can't afford to buy real estate.

[jimjamuser]

I didn’t say I believed it. I posted it because it pertains to the state where all of us live.

And I thought it might get comments from people who live in the more progressive states to see what they think of the study.

So far most of them appear to disagree with the study.
People in The Villages don't have to worry about upward mobility. They have already made it. States at the end of that list use their progressive tax base to encourage upward mobility. Florida does not NEED to encourage innovation and upward mobility because it gets its state money coming in from tourists and older retirees that bring their retirements and wealth down with them from the Northern (more progressive) states.
..........Apparently, the progressive states work best for the younger working age people, which allows them to accumulate wealth and then retire...........to the regressive states like Florida where they can play golf and HOPE to stay healthy.

[jimjamuser]

The article is referring to a heavy burden caused by taxes in Florida for the poor. A cinge to pay for the wealthy but is causing low income families to live paycheck to paycheck. Some, going into debt. Other states have managed to tax accordingly where a percentage paid by the poor is fair. A person earning $15/hr has a difficult time buying groceries! They can not afford to be taxed at the same rate as the wealthy. Example: A 7% sales tax on a person earning $30,000 hits much harder than a person earning $100,000.
A good explanation !

[Normal]

A good explanation !

So we should embrace taxes as a way to heal us all and reduce income disparity? Ludicrous. If you ask most of us, it would be better across the board to reduce all taxes. The government has way overreached.

[jimjamuser]

Doesn't that way of thinking already provide opportunities for free educational opportunities that said people choose not to take advantage of? Will it make you feel better that I suffer more to pay the way of those who don't strive to reach their full potential? Unfortunately I've witnessed that some folks lives are centered around handouts, and you are suggesting I empty my pockets to support them even more?
I would suggest that society create and stimulate UPWARD MOBILITY by having a progressive tax structure (also good PUBLIC education and other PROGRESSIVE programs). That gives society a strong middle class and a strong middle class makes for a strong society. With a strong middle class and good PUBLIC school outcomes a country will have fewer and fewer people left behind that become susceptible to crime, gangs, drugs, suicide which weaken the country.
........I believe that the US has destroyed its own middle class by outsourcing to China and making tax policy ly the RICH and for the RICH. And other countries in the world are observing our weakness.

[Caymus]

Most people agree that the rich should pay more ....that it is the fairest system. It makes a society, like the US once was, stronger because it encourages upward mobility and a strong middle class. A weak middle class is more vulnerable to takeover either externally or internally. If you think about it from the framework of ancient history. The stratified society of the Roman Empire fell apart as their leaders became too self-absorbed and eventually the Germanic Tribes prevailed. Countries fall apart internally at first.
.........Today the US tax system does NOT encourage upward mobility. So the middle class is left to ROT with problems of crime, drugs, suicide, race relations and other internal strife. Manufacturing technology is outsourced to China, which made GREAT wealth for one segment of the US society, and NOT the middle class.
..........The Florida tax system is designed to discourage upward mobility as is the amount of money spent on elementary and secondary public education. The principle in Florida Education is "elite" education.

Who? Socialists? People that leach off of government?

[Topspinmo]

MUCH MOREon average for a designer add about 1500 per year.


More in Marion county.

[Topspinmo]

Most people agree that the rich should pay more ....that it is the fairest system. It makes a society, like the US once was, stronger because it encourages upward mobility and a strong middle class. A weak middle class is more vulnerable to takeover either externally or internally. If you think about it from the framework of ancient history. The stratified society of the Roman Empire fell apart as their leaders became too self-absorbed and eventually the Germanic Tribes prevailed. Countries fall apart internally at first.
.........Today the US tax system does NOT encourage upward mobility. So the middle class is left to ROT with problems of crime, drugs, suicide, race relations and other internal strife. Manufacturing technology is outsourced to China, which made GREAT wealth for one segment of the US society, and NOT the middle class.
..........The Florida tax system is designed to discourage upward mobility as is the amount of money spent on elementary and secondary public education. The principle in Florida Education is "elite" education.


No law against voluntary paying more. Local and federal government loves spending some else’s money. So pay up or —- up. :o

[Normal]

More in Marion county.

That’s just Wildwood city taxes for each year. Sumter likes to add another 6500 with county and school taxes. Then they pretend there just a small amount we’ll add on for fire.

[jimjamuser]

This article is about state and not federal taxes. Which states allow itemizing? People are moving to states with no state taxes.
The list of states compares states by ALL taxes paid out by a resident (state, Federal, local) NOT just state taxes.

[jimjamuser]

The answer comes to us from one of the states in the vanguard of economic justice. California Senate Hopeful Barbara Lee Wants $50 Per Hour Minimum Wage.
Working people are (or were) considered to be the "backbone of our country". It's NOT the Wall Street types. If that is true, then I would have no problem with a $50 minimum wage. Rewarding working people is a good idea. The problem is that companies would just pass along those costs and keep their same profit margins. That's where PROGRESSIVE taxes are needed.

[Bwanajim]

The study also finds that DC, New York, New Jersey, and California have much fairer tax systems.

Who Pays? 7th Edition – ITEP (https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/#state-and-local-tax-systems-worse-inequality)

Are you high on something? Florida is one of the cheapest states to live in with no income tax and you’re saying California in New York are better?
No offense, but you’re out of your mind