Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars? A discussion.

[MacScuba]

Jim Laurent will discuss travel to and habitation of the planet Mars and discuss the question of should this be undertaken.

Our regular room at Everglades is unavailable due to prep for early primary voting.
We will meet Tuesday March 5th and Riverbend Rec Center at 1:00PM
Riverbend Rec Center is at 1833 Corbin Trail, The Villages, FL, 33585 Only about a mile southeast of Everglades Rec Center.

Brought to you by The Villages Science and Technology Club - South. Open to all Villagers and guests. You will need your Villages (or Guest) ID card to enter. No club "membership" required.

[VApeople]

No, I think Mars is very nice just as it is.

Those of us who love Mars don't want humans to move in and screw it up like they did to poor old Earth.

Skip our beautiful planet and give Jupiter a try. I never liked that bossy big planet anyway.

[jebartle]

Loooooooong way off, it took 50 years to land on moon AGAIN!

[BrianL99]

Jim Laurent will discuss travel to and habitation of the planet Mars and discuss the question of should this be undertaken.

Our regular room at Everglades is unavailable due to prep for early primary voting.
We will meet Tuesday March 5th and Riverbend Rec Center at 1:00PM
Riverbend Rec Center is at 1833 Corbin Trail, The Villages, FL, 33585 Only about a mile southeast of Everglades Rec Center.

Brought to you by The Villages Science and Technology Club - South. Open to all Villagers and guests. You will need your Villages (or Guest) ID card to enter. No club "membership" required.

It's fairly obvious that The Villages will run out of expansion land eventually and Mars may offer a viable alternative. As it is, many people I've met here, seem to have come from there (Mars).

[CoachKandSportsguy]

No, I think Mars is very nice just as it is.

Those of us who love Mars don't want humans to move in and screw it up like they did to poor old Earth.

Skip our beautiful planet and give Jupiter a try. I never liked that bossy big planet anyway.

:mademyday::bigbow:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.

[Hape2Bhr]

Aren't we originally from Mars anyway. Of course, after the trip from the Pleiades earlier.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

There’s no way people are going go to Mars, not now or ever.

[MrFlorida]

I'm sure the Morse family already owns land there.

[golfing eagles]

There’s no way people are going go to Mars, not now or ever.

Huh? Is there a basis for that assertion or are you just floating it out there?

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

1. Mars bars are inferior while everything Hershey's is worth traveling to

2. I would pay good money to go deep into the resistance underground just to see Quado pop out that dudes belly

3. MARS has no amenities or golf in the southern areas except for a butcher that charges $58 a pound for a decent steak and has Marsy Bingo on a Monday night

[Velvet]

I think Mars might be interesting to visit as a tourist but until they developed some winter sports there or something, I don’t see much attraction.

[villagetinker]

Marvin (the Martian) has specifically requested NO visitors. I also understand his space modulator has been revamped to track intruders. I have this on good advice from Bugs Bunny.

[manaboutown]

Unless we become a space going race we die when the sun expires.

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

Unless we become a space going race we die when the sun expires.

You're way beyond these folks mind capabilities. Keep it to like...everything is OK, kinda responses. They all believe that they can control the weather and that all orbits don't decay...sad and frustrating

[mtdjed]

Loooooooong way off, it took 50 years to land on moon AGAIN!

And we have a broken Lander after 59 years of progress. How would you like to see that if you were on the Mars lander? Once was in attendance to a session with an astronaut. I recall his comment regarding confidence in mission success. He made a comment relating to hard to be 100% when all of the parts were made by the lowest bidder.

[Taltarzac725]

What is the temperature on Mars? | Space (https://www.space.com/16907-what-is-the-temperature-of-mars.html)

They are going to need some kind of coats at minus 195 degrees F.

Absolute zero - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero)

[LuvNH]

If, and that is a BIG if, we make it there I think we should turn it into an international penal colony. Putin should be first over the threshold, then politicians and so on and so forth down the line.

[djlnc]

Unless we become a space going race we die when the sun expires.

We are just an insignificant speck in the universe. Not a great loss.

BTW, the book Red Mars, by Kim Stanley Robinson is the best scifi book I've ever read. Give it a try.

[opinionist]

There are people who have the spirit of adventure and would risk their lives to experience the unknown. I say let them go for it because Earth can be a hostile place at times. It is not much different than the colonists who came to America in search of a better life. Would anyone say that they made a mistake?

[ThirdOfFive]

No worries. With Elon calling the shots we’ll have a Mars colony by 2035 and will be mining the asteroid belt soon after.

As it should be.

[Stu from NYC]

There’s no way people are going go to Mars, not now or ever.

Do you still believe the earth is flat an we will fall off?

[Stu from NYC]

We are just an insignificant speck in the universe. Not a great loss.

BTW, the book Red Mars, by Kim Stanley Robinson is the best scifi book I've ever read. Give it a try.

Speak for yourself, we are a curious bunch of humans and can learn a lot by exploring.

[Davonu]

Whether we should or not is irrelevant...it's inevitable. Mankind is an explorer.

[retiredguy123]

Speak for yourself, we are a curious bunch of humans and can learn a lot by exploring.
I agree that humans are curious. But, why is it that the American taxpayers always get stuck paying most of the costs for exploration? Aren't humans in other countries curious enough help fund the exploration?

[villager7591]

If possible, I would like to volunteer some crabby neighbors for Mars...

[LuvNH]

I agree that humans are curious. But, why is it that the American taxpayers always get stuck paying most of the costs for exploration? Aren't humans in other countries curious enough help fund the exploration?

We always pay the bill because we want most of the proceeds. It all comes down to money, money, money in a rich man's world.

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

I agree that humans are curious. But, why is it that the American taxpayers always get stuck paying most of the costs for exploration? Aren't humans in other countries curious enough help fund the exploration?

Do you now have to address these Mars attracted individuals as "Mars curious":shrug:

[fdpaq0580]

We will go! Why? Because it is there!

[mraines]

Jim Laurent will discuss travel to and habitation of the planet Mars and discuss the question of should this be undertaken.

Our regular room at Everglades is unavailable due to prep for early primary voting.
We will meet Tuesday March 5th and Riverbend Rec Center at 1:00PM
Riverbend Rec Center is at 1833 Corbin Trail, The Villages, FL, 33585 Only about a mile southeast of Everglades Rec Center.

Brought to you by The Villages Science and Technology Club - South. Open to all Villagers and guests. You will need your Villages (or Guest) ID card to enter. No club "membership" required.
Until we learn to clean up this planet, we should not be going anywhere.

[Dusty_Star]

Of course we will travel to Mars, & beyond.

[Velvet]

Of course we will travel to Mars, & beyond.

Speak for yourself, I’m pretty happy here in Florida myself.

[Stu from NYC]

I agree that humans are curious. But, why is it that the American taxpayers always get stuck paying most of the costs for exploration? Aren't humans in other countries curious enough help fund the exploration?

If our govt was smart they would take control of the new technologies that come about thru space exploration and license it to companies that want to make use of it.

[Byte1]

Kind of stupid to put folks up there before installing habitats to be self-sustaining. First thing that should be done is send up equipment and supplies to terraform the planet to make it habitable. It's going to need oxygen producing vegetation and in order to sustain vegetation, it must have a source of water. Even if they start now, it won't happen in my lifetime, so it really doesn't matter to me. That's a lot of money that will be potentially thrown away, that could be better used here. Of course, if Elon Musk wishes to throw his money into the wind, it's his to do with as he wishes.
But, as for sending folks up there on a sight seeing trip, it seems to be costly and very, very dangerous.

[Stu from NYC]

Kind of stupid to put folks up there before installing habitats to will be self-sustaining. First thing that should be done is send up equipment and supplies to terraform the planet to make it habitable. It's going to need oxygen producing vegetation and in order to sustain vegetation, it must have a source of water. Even if they start now, it won't happen in my lifetime, so it really doesn't matter to me. That's a lot of money that will be potentially thrown away, that could be better used here. Of course, if Elon Musk wishes to throw his money into the wind, it's his to do with as he wishes.
But, as for sending folks up there on a sight seeing trip, it seems to be costly and very, very dangerous.

Back when we were much younger much more dangerous to sail from Europe to America.

[fdpaq0580]

Kind of stupid to put folks up there before installing habitats to will be self-sustaining. First thing that should be done is send up equipment and supplies to terraform the planet to make it habitable. It's going to need oxygen producing vegetation and in order to sustain vegetation, it must have a source of water. Even if they start now, it won't happen in my lifetime, so it really doesn't matter to me. That's a lot of money that will be potentially thrown away, that could be better used here. Of course, if Elon Musk wishes to throw his money into the wind, it's his to do with as he wishes.
But, as for sending folks up there on a sight seeing trip, it seems to be costly and very, very dangerous.

Short stays determine if it can be done. Longer stays will determine the real feasibility for possible permanent bases and the possibility for terraforming for the actual survival and colonization by humanity. Our Martian descendants will have to adapt and evolve there in the same way we have, and continue to evolve here, physically, socially and intellectually.
It won't happen in my lifetime either, and I leave no descendants of my own. Still, I wonder and hope my species will survive and succeed in become a light in the universe.

[fdpaq0580]

Back when we were much younger much more dangerous to sail from Europe to America.

To sail where no one has sailed before!

[Topspinmo]

Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.


If they come daycare will follow.:sigh:

[Topspinmo]

With all problems in this country plus 35t and climbing like rocket heading for moon in debt I don’t see the point? Actually ISS waste of money now IMO.

[Topspinmo]

Of
course we will travel to Mars, & beyond.

Not in our life time. Maybe in 100 years? :ohdear:

[jimbomaybe]

Huh? Is there a basis for that assertion or are you just floating it out there?
put enough resources behind it you could send some astronauts and bring them back (hopefully) but as a permanent habitation seems like pie in the sky at this point, when Mars lost its magnetic field it lost most of its atmosphere and liquid water. Cold enough now that you have frozen CO2 in the polar region, perhaps I missed it but could not find any source , online, thinking terraforming has much of a chance

[Hape2Bhr]

If our govt was smart they would take control of the new technologies that come about thru space exploration and license it to companies that want to make use of it.

Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now? barf

[frayedends]

We should be able to fix any of earth’s problems long before we are capable of terraforming Mars. Obviously if we can make Mars habitable we can fix any climate issues or whatever happens here. If the sun explodes we need to go way further than Mars.

Apart from all that would I look for a Martian home on MLS or VLS?

[Dusty_Star]

Speak for yourself, I’m pretty happy here in Florida myself.


I was speaking for mankind. I doubt I will be around.

[Dusty_Star]

Not in our life time. Maybe in 100 years? :ohdear:

You are right.

[golfing eagles]

Not in our life time. Maybe in 100 years? :ohdear:

You are right.

And yet current NASA plans are for a manned Mars orbit in 2033 and a manned landing in 2039. Doubt they'll meet those goals, but I think it will be a lot sooner than 100 years.

[Calisport]

I don't think humans would survive the year long trip first of all.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Huh? Is there a basis for that assertion or are you just floating it out there?

The earth is the only habitable planet/moon in the solar system. It is a waste of scarce resources to endeavor to live on any other place. We should spend our time and resources keeping this planet habitable. Anything else would be folly.

[golfing eagles]

The earth is the only habitable planet/moon in the solar system. It is a waste of scarce resources to endeavor to live on any other place. We should spend our time and resources keeping this planet habitable. Anything else would be folly.

And yet humans have the ability and technology to make uninhabitable environments habitable. A continuous presence at the South pole and the ISS come immediately to mind. Folly would be to confine our species to just one planet in the future----after all, things happen to planets

[Two Bills]

Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now? barf

What/where are Euro Asian countries?

[LuvNH]

I don't think humans would survive the year long trip first of all.

According to what I recently read, it is a nine month journey just to get to Mars. All you need is just one person to be slightly tilted off center, or to have two people take an immediate dislike to each other to cause the whole trip to malfunction. I imagine someone will say "well the powers that be will have to test people for this, that and the other"and still you will have someone unstable in that capsule. Nine months is a very long time.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Has anyone asked Marvin his opinion?

IYKYK

[KJ Dave]

No, I think Mars is very nice just as it is.

Those of us who love Mars don't want humans to move in and screw it up like they did to poor old Earth.

Skip our beautiful planet and give Jupiter a try. I never liked that bossy big planet anyway.
I think maybe humankind has already been to the other 8 planets as well as others and already screwed them up like we’re doing to Earth.

[biker1]

If your intent is to come up with reasons not to do something then it is easy to create a long list and do nothing. I suspect the various space agencies have bigger fish to fry such as shielding against high energy particles. By the way, the record for consecutive days in space is about 15 months. I'm pretty sure the Russian who holds that record didn't flip out or get in any fights with his crew members. An initial roundtrip mission to Mars will be a bit longer at about 21 months, depending on the date you depart and return (because of the orbital mechanics) and how much time is spent either in orbit around Mars or on the surface. There are some optimal times to go because of the orbital mechanics. 2033 is the earliest optimal time that it could happen (based on planning), but I suspect the probability of it actually happening is low because of budget and lack of certain technologies.

According to what I recently read, it is a nine month journey just to get to Mars. All you need is just one person to be slightly tilted off center, or to have two people take an immediate dislike to each other to cause the whole trip to malfunction. I imagine someone will say "well the powers that be will have to test people for this, that and the other"and still you will have someone unstable in that capsule. Nine months is a very long time.

[golfing eagles]

I think maybe humankind has already been to the other 8 planets as well as others and already screwed them up like we’re doing to Earth.

Interesting post.

First of all, there are only 7 other planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer classified as a planet), and "humankind" has not been to any of them. We have had probes land on 2 of them and flew by the rest.

Second, I'd be interested in knowing what "other planets" outside our solar system we have been to. After all, at our current max speed of about 25,000 mph, even if our nearest star (Proxima Centuri) had a planetary system, it would take approximately 115,000 years to get there. This means we had to launch an interstellar multigenerational mission before we invented the wheel.

Last, just how did we "screw up" other planets?

I'll leave it at that lest I write something that would be considered "insulting", other that to state res ipsa loquitur.

And BTW, nice first post, welcome to TOTV.

[Dusty_Star]

Has anyone asked Marvin his opinion?

IYKYK

Marvin is a welcoming sort

[Normal]

Please find a way to send the antisocial aliens disguised as Earthlings back to their home planet.

[defrey12]

Speak for yourself, we are a curious bunch of humans and can learn a lot by exploring.

Doesn’t mean we’re not still an insignificant speck…having curiosity and exploring doesn’t make us any more significant…

[defrey12]

The earth is the only habitable planet/moon in the solar system. It is a waste of scarce resources to endeavor to live on any other place. We should spend our time and resources keeping this planet habitable. Anything else would be folly.

Agreed 👍

[defrey12]

And yet humans have the ability and technology to make uninhabitable environments habitable. A continuous presence at the South pole and the ISS come immediately to mind. Folly would be to confine our species to just one planet in the future----after all, things happen to planets

Yes…and exactly how many people live on/at EITHER of those places? And at what expense? Hmmm 🤔?

[golfing eagles]

Yes…and exactly how many people live on/at EITHER of those places? And at what expense? Hmmm 🤔?

More than 50 years ago :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And less than in the future, especially with world population growth estimates at 10.4 billion within the next 75 years

I'd rather spend money on space exploration than handing it out to those that produce nothing

[frayedends]

Interesting post.

First of all, there are only 7 other planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer classified as a planet), and "humankind" has not been to any of them. We have had probes land on 2 of them and flew by the rest.

Second, I'd be interested in knowing what "other planets" outside our solar system we have been to. After all, at our current max speed of about 25,000 mph, even if our nearest star (Proxima Centuri) had a planetary system, it would take approximately 115,000 years to get there. This means we had to launch an interstellar multigenerational mission before we invented the wheel.

Last, just how did we "screw up" other planets?

I'll leave it at that lest I write something that would be considered "insulting", other that to state res ipsa loquitur.

And BTW, nice first post, welcome to TOTV.
I believe the post was referring to the ancient alien theories. All the arguments in your post could be dismissed if we were colonized by far advanced alien species.

Not saying I believe ancient aliens. Just putting context to the post you responded to.

[ThirdOfFive]

I think maybe humankind has already been to the other 8 planets as well as others and already screwed them up like we’re doing to Earth.
Well, the “screwing up” part is arbitrary but I’m somewhat like-minded about life from Earth having been in space far longer than we think.

First, technology has existed in the lifetimes of most of us for humankind to travel not just to the moon but to at least some of the other planets as well. Anyone ever hear of Project Orion? First proposed in the 1960s, Project Orion could have used the technology of the time to propel spacecraft via use of channeled nuclear explosions as propulsion. At first it was a combined project of NASA, DARPA and the U.S. Air Force and had the potential to reach Mars in a matter of a few weeks rather than the two-plus year trips currently talked about, and the inner Gas Giants in months. Tests were run with chemical propulsion in place of nuclear, and showed great promise until the 1963 nuclear test ban treaty put a stop to any further testing. Nevertheless the promise was there as well as the technology to actually put it into practice. The military promise alone of such a thing, especially given the mindset of our military, sort of makes it hard to believe that our military WOULDN’T pursue it. And it wouldn’t have to be on Earth: The far side of the moon, which has been reachable for decades, would serve as an ideal place, with the entire bulk of the moon serving as a shield from any prying earthbound eyes.

Second…”life from Earth” doesn’t necessarily limit such life to HUMAN life. Life has existed here for…what? 4.5 billion years? It is entirely possible IMO for life, even civilizations, to have existed here untold millennia ago with all traces being lost over time. But even if we limit it to (somewhat) human life, we humans in various forms have lived here, according to the fossil record, for millions of years and with Neanderthals and modern Homo Sapiens (somewhat later on the scene) being here for half a million years at least. It sort odd beggars belief that we’ve Been here for so long in more-or-less human form and capability, only to get smart enough to exist outside our atmosphere in the lifetimes of many if not most of us. It is entirely conceivable that such civilizations along with their technological records being totally obliterated and undiscoverable to us.

Will we find such evidence? I think so. But not here. Maybe on surfaces of space bodies without continental drift and volcanism. The Moon, maybe. Or Mars. Or Ceres. Or even the moons of Jupiter—places with little or no atmosphere and surfaces that are not in a state of constant churning. It IS possible.

[Dusty_Star]

Until we learn to clean up this planet, we should not be going anywhere.

:1rotfl:

That sounds a lot like: If you don't clean up your room, you can't go out to play.

Yes Mom.

[golfing eagles]

I believe the post was referring to the ancient alien theories. All the arguments in your post could be dismissed if we were colonized by far advanced alien species.

Not saying I believe ancient aliens. Just putting context to the post you responded to.

///

[golfing eagles]

I believe the post was referring to the ancient alien theories. All the arguments in your post could be dismissed if we were colonized by far advanced alien species.

Not saying I believe ancient aliens. Just putting context to the post you responded to.

If we were "colonized" or more likely genetically manipulated by those aliens, it would have been the aliens, not humans that visited those worlds. Besides, it is highly unlikely that anything organic could stand on the "surface" of Jupiter.

Also, consider modifications of the Drake equation with the numbers we now have from space-based telescopes. It suggests that in the observable universe there are 40 TRILLION civilizations equal to or more advanced than our own. However, the distances are so great that it is unlikely any 2 would stumble over each other. Plus, Einstein would have to be wrong and FTL travel possible, or the technology to create stable artificial wormholes would have to be possible. And even then we are an insignificant planet at the edge of an insignificant galaxy far from the center of the universe that didn't even have EM transmissions of any power until 90 years ago. Could we have been found and helped by benevolent aliens in the distant past---possible, but highly improbable. Yes, there are mysteries such as the Great Pyramid, Puma Punko and Gobekli Tepe that we can't explain, but applying Occam's razor, more likely they were built with human technology and labor that was lost to us over the millennia than "aliens"

[JMintzer]

Has anyone asked Marvin his opinion?

IYKYK

Or Matt Damon...

[JMintzer]

Interesting post.

First of all, there are only 7 other planets in our solar system (Pluto is no longer classified as a planet)

That's because we screwed it up!

[JMintzer]

Please find a way to send the antisocial aliens disguised as Earthlings back to their home planet.

Maybe these guys can help...

https://64.media.tumblr.com/14797206e26b3560969e1a01355f1ddd/38bb88b02bc69893-65/s540x810/b438c33eee44cf069801fa9ced03f736e7628421.gif

[jimbomaybe]

If we were "colonized" or more likely genetically manipulated by those aliens, it would have been the aliens, not humans that visited those worlds. Besides, it is highly unlikely that anything organic could stand on the "surface" of Jupiter.

Also, consider modifications of the Drake equation with the numbers we now have from space-based telescopes. It suggests that in the observable universe there are 40 TRILLION civilizations equal to or more advanced than our own. However, the distances are so great that it is unlikely any 2 would stumble over each other. Plus, Einstein would have to be wrong and FTL travel possible, or the technology to create stable artificial wormholes would have to be possible. And even then we are an insignificant planet at the edge of an insignificant galaxy far from the center of the universe that didn't even have EM transmissions of any power until 90 years ago. Could we have been found and helped by benevolent aliens in the distant past---possible, but highly improbable. Yes, there are mysteries such as the Great Pyramid, Puma Punko and Gobekli Tepe that we can't explain, but applying Occam's razor, more likely they were built with human technology and labor that was lost to us over the millennia than "aliens"
The problem with ETs is there is nothing much other than speculation, no yardstick, the only spot we know about is good ol mother earth, one data point in a expanse of time and space that we cannot really comprehend , aside from all the things that had to go just right for life to get started here, human psychology will normalize whatever we see and think, so we look at an emesity that we cannot grasp and of course there must be other intelligent life, but with one data point??

[Stu from NYC]

Visit area 51 and you will understand.

[jimbomaybe]

Visit area 51 and you will understand.

Of course, at area 51 they are reverse engineering an intergalactic coffee maker, with every layer of the onion they learn, your PC talks to other PCs keeps improving itself, 3-4- 5 years in improves itself to the point it stops working, you call support and talk to someone who never had english as a first language , maybe no language spoken on earth, you make 4-5 calls get different answers some solve the problem some don't but all different answers because not even the aliens understand it

[Stu from NYC]

Of course, at area 51 they are reverse engineering an intergalactic coffee maker, with every layer of the onion they learn, your PC talks to other PCs keeps improving itself, 3-4- 5 years in improves itself to the point it stops working, you call support and talk to someone who never had english as a first language , maybe no language spoken on earth, you make 4-5 calls get different answers some solve the problem some don't but all different answers because not even the aliens understand it

Sometimes I think the aliens are in control, especially since we started watching Resident Alien.

[justjim]

A lot of good things have come out of space program technology. If we want to stay ahead of Russia and China when it comes to “Space”, we had better continue to allocate resources to such endeavors as technology to land and perhaps inhabit Mars. As cruel as man is to man, we may destroy earth and most of the people as some fanatics pushes certain buttons.

[SHIBUMI]

Please explain what good things have come out of the space program that are worth trillions of dollars spent????????????


A lot of good things have come out of space program technology. If we want to stay ahead of Russia and China when it comes to “Space”, we had better continue to allocate resources to such endeavors as technology to land and perhaps inhabit Mars. As cruel as man is to man, we may destroy earth and most of the people as some fanatics pushes certain buttons.

[Stu from NYC]

Please explain what good things have come out of the space program that are worth trillions of dollars spent????????????

GPS for one. Better weather forecasting. Spent a bunch of money but trillions? Not even close to that.

[golfing eagles]

Please explain what good things have come out of the space program that are worth trillions of dollars spent????????????

Teflon and Tang---both worth their weight in gold :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[SHIBUMI]

Don't forget titanium for golf clubs. Not worth lives and trillions...........

[Normal]

We have several inventions because of space travel. CAT scans, LEDs, Home computers, Freeze Dried Food, Memory Foam and Camera Cell Phones are just the tip of the iceberg.

[Eg_cruz]

Jim Laurent will discuss travel to and habitation of the planet Mars and discuss the question of should this be undertaken.

Our regular room at Everglades is unavailable due to prep for early primary voting.
We will meet Tuesday March 5th and Riverbend Rec Center at 1:00PM
Riverbend Rec Center is at 1833 Corbin Trail, The Villages, FL, 33585 Only about a mile southeast of Everglades Rec Center.

Brought to you by The Villages Science and Technology Club - South. Open to all Villagers and guests. You will need your Villages (or Guest) ID card to enter. No club "membership" required.
Why so we can go ruin another planet
Hahaha

[BigDawgInLakeDenham]

If our govt was smart they would take control of the new technologies that come about thru space exploration and license it to companies that want to make use of it.

Kinda what the Nazi's did after Extraterrestrials visited Germany. Unfortunately the tech was split with Communists

One thing is for sure...a million years from now the cenozoic period will be found to have greater advances than the dinosaurs, even though there are dinosaurs on this forum

[jimbomaybe]

Sometimes I think the aliens are in control, especially since we started watching Resident Alien.
Well have been wondering about your strange behaviour

[jimjamuser]

What is the temperature on Mars? | Space (https://www.space.com/16907-what-is-the-temperature-of-mars.html)

They are going to need some kind of coats at minus 195 degrees F.

Absolute zero - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero)
That would be a 10 space DOG night.

[Escape Artist]

Jim Laurent will discuss travel to and habitation of the planet Mars and discuss the question of should this be undertaken.

Our regular room at Everglades is unavailable due to prep for early primary voting.
We will meet Tuesday March 5th and Riverbend Rec Center at 1:00PM
Riverbend Rec Center is at 1833 Corbin Trail, The Villages, FL, 33585 Only about a mile southeast of Everglades Rec Center.

Brought to you by The Villages Science and Technology Club - South. Open to all Villagers and guests. You will need your Villages (or Guest) ID card to enter. No club "membership" required.

What’s wrong with the moon? It’s closer so we can visit earth for the holidays

[Stu from NYC]

Well have been wondering about your strange behaviour

Possessed by aliens huh. Have to ask my wife what she thinks

[golfing eagles]

That would be a 10 space DOG night.

Yes, but no global warming on the horizon :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Teflon and Tang---both worth their weight in gold :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don't forget Velcro...

[djlnc]

Teflon and Tang---both worth their weight in gold :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"The Teflon trademark was registered in 1945 by Kinetic Chemicals, a DuPont partnership with General Motors"

[jimbomaybe]

Possessed by aliens huh. Have to ask my wife what she thinks

Much like a lawyer in court never ask your significant other a question unless you sure of the answer

[frayedends]

What’s wrong with the moon? It’s closer so we can visit earth for the holidays

The moon doesn't have a system, built by aliens, ready to be activated, which will instantly provide an atmosphere, like Mars does. Come on, man! These are easy questions.

[Stu from NYC]

The moon doesn't have a system, built by aliens, ready to be activated, which will instantly provide an atmosphere, like Mars does. Come on, man! These are easy questions.

Actually they did but built it on the other side of the moon to keep it hidden

[JerryLBell]

I have been a space exploration and science fiction buff since I was a wee lad. I am SO disappointed in the future we have come to. Where are my space plane rides to huge, rotating-wheel space stations, my weekend jaunts to cities on the Moon, my science outposts on Mars, my manned exploration of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and more? Heck, where are my flying cars? Not only has 2001: A Space Odyssey let me down but even The Jetsons let me down.

Since folks largely turned their back on travel to the Moon after the Apollo missions, I have felt that the only thing keeping us back was our will to go. Our technology was there, or nearly there, to do all those thingsI mentioned earlier. Everything I read from other space enthusiasts only convinced me further.

But then I started reading A City On Mars by Kelly & Zach Weinersmith. Wowsers. These folks are space enthusiasts like I am but have an understanding of the actual science that is far greater than mine and they have looked at things not with the dewy-eyed enthusiasm of fans like me but with hard-nosed pragmatism and objective reality. Not only am I no longer convinced that we are capable of all of those fanciful things I mention above with technologies, I am also not entirely convinced that we will ever have the technology to do so. That is really depressing for me.

That said, I'm still a space exploration and science fiction buff and hope we will continue with our near-earth manned missions for the great science they do, the inspiration they provide and the shining example of international cooperation they provide. And I'm still gonna read my sci-fi!

[djlnc]

Read Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson. Great sci-fi book!

[jimjamuser]

I have been a space exploration and science fiction buff since I was a wee lad. I am SO disappointed in the future we have come to. Where are my space plane rides to huge, rotating-wheel space stations, my weekend jaunts to cities on the Moon, my science outposts on Mars, my manned exploration of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and more? Heck, where are my flying cars? Not only has 2001: A Space Odyssey let me down but even The Jetsons let me down.

Since folks largely turned their back on travel to the Moon after the Apollo missions, I have felt that the only thing keeping us back was our will to go. Our technology was there, or nearly there, to do all those thingsI mentioned earlier. Everything I read from other space enthusiasts only convinced me further.

But then I started reading A City On Mars by Kelly & Zach Weinersmith. Wowsers. These folks are space enthusiasts like I am but have an understanding of the actual science that is far greater than mine and they have looked at things not with the dewy-eyed enthusiasm of fans like me but with hard-nosed pragmatism and objective reality. Not only am I no longer convinced that we are capable of all of those fanciful things I mention above with technologies, I am also not entirely convinced that we will ever have the technology to do so. That is really depressing for me.

That said, I'm still a space exploration and science fiction buff and hope we will continue with our near-earth manned missions for the great science they do, the inspiration they provide and the shining example of international cooperation they provide. And I'm still gonna read my sci-fi!
I always enjoy sci / fi movies like "Dune part one" with its high tech scenes. Movies like that are good for the imagination. I prefer to see the movies BEFORE reading the book (probably the opposite of most people). That is what I did with "The Expanse", which I liked very much. In reality, I never expected to see colonies of people on the moon or Mars in my lifetime. But, there has been plenty of scientific change.

[fdpaq0580]

Should earthlings travel to other worlds? Of course!
It is who we are. It's what we do. Explore!.

[Hape2Bhr]

What/where are Euro Asian countries?

Russia is in Europe and Asia. China is in Asia. This was taught in elementary school not long ago.

[Stu from NYC]

I have been a space exploration and science fiction buff since I was a wee lad. I am SO disappointed in the future we have come to. Where are my space plane rides to huge, rotating-wheel space stations, my weekend jaunts to cities on the Moon, my science outposts on Mars, my manned exploration of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and more? Heck, where are my flying cars? Not only has 2001: A Space Odyssey let me down but even The Jetsons let me down.

Since folks largely turned their back on travel to the Moon after the Apollo missions, I have felt that the only thing keeping us back was our will to go. Our technology was there, or nearly there, to do all those thingsI mentioned earlier. Everything I read from other space enthusiasts only convinced me further.

But then I started reading A City On Mars by Kelly & Zach Weinersmith. Wowsers. These folks are space enthusiasts like I am but have an understanding of the actual science that is far greater than mine and they have looked at things not with the dewy-eyed enthusiasm of fans like me but with hard-nosed pragmatism and objective reality. Not only am I no longer convinced that we are capable of all of those fanciful things I mention above with technologies, I am also not entirely convinced that we will ever have the technology to do so. That is really depressing for me.

That said, I'm still a space exploration and science fiction buff and hope we will continue with our near-earth manned missions for the great science they do, the inspiration they provide and the shining example of international cooperation they provide. And I'm still gonna read my sci-fi!

Think of how far technology has come in the past 100 years and I am confident we will be able to travel far into space.

However unless we are able to figure out warp speed engines we will be limited to just a few planets.

[MorTech]

What for? So you can live in a big metal dumpster?
Why not live in a big dumpster on the moon first?

And what about costs and upkeep? Physics sucks.

[golfing eagles]

What for? So you can live in a big metal dumpster?
Why not live in a big dumpster on the moon first?

And what about costs and upkeep? Physics sucks.

Yes, but all those problems will be solved after the Vulcans make first contact:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Normal]

As a young adult I watched Space 1999, the Jetsons and Star Trek. They lied.

[LuvNH]

Russia is in Europe and Asia. China is in Asia. This was taught in elementary school not long ago.

You missed the point of TwoBills comment. There are no Euro Asian countries, there is only Europe and Asia. TwoBills is as British as it is possible to be, I imagine he was a might annoyed at the ignorance of the first statement.

[fdpaq0580]

As a young adult I watched Space 1999, the Jetsons and Star Trek. They lied.

All fiction is lies! Is that your kernel of truth?

[fdpaq0580]

What for? So you can live in a big metal dumpster?
Why not live in a big dumpster on the moon first?

And what about costs and upkeep? Physics sucks.

Don't you mean, life sucks? After all, if you weren't alive, you wouldn't have any concerns about dumpsters, expenses, or physics.

[Stu from NYC]

Yes, but all those problems will be solved after the Vulcans make first contact:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

They were already here laughed at what they saw and left. Only the resident alien is still here.

[Normal]

All fiction is lies! Is that your kernel of truth?

No, more or less the dreams of the past woven in with great literature such as Fahrenheit 451 etc. There is nothing wrong with dreams and hope though. Perhaps my grandchildren will have a much clearer view of space travel and Warp engines. I do know there are a couple of decent papers on compressing and expanding distances.

[golfing eagles]

They were already here laughed at what they saw and left. Only the resident alien is still here.

But does he live in the Village of Stu?

[Hape2Bhr]

You missed the point of TwoBills comment. There are no Euro Asian countries, there is only Europe and Asia. TwoBills is as British as it is possible to be, I imagine he was a might annoyed at the ignorance of the first statement.


LOL chilout

[MorTech]

Yes, but all those problems will be solved after the Vulcans make first contact:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Elon Musk is a Vulcan... Asperger's is just another con.

[MorTech]

Don't you mean, life sucks? After all, if you weren't alive, you wouldn't have any concerns about dumpsters, expenses, or physics.

I prefer to think physical reality sucks :) Reality doesn't care about mysticism, wishful thinking or BioLife.

[MorTech]

You missed the point of TwoBills comment. There are no Euro Asian countries, there is only Europe and Asia. TwoBills is as British as it is possible to be, I imagine he was a might annoyed at the ignorance of the first statement.

They are separated by the Urals (?)

[MorTech]

Instead of living in a pressurized dumpster (one little pinhole or "glitch" and everyone dies) on Mars or the moon, why not live on a cruise ship like the Icon of the Sea? It is a FAR better idea at FAR lower cost and FAR less dangerous with FAR better amenities.

Seriously...Why would anyone fantasize about living on Mars? Not even Elon Musk does that. It would be like fantasizing about living in a Boeing 747 flying at an altitude of 250 million miles :)

[Topspinmo]

As a young adult I watched Space 1999, the Jetsons and Star Trek. They lied.


Reruns:shrug:

[Topspinmo]

Instead of living in a pressurized dumpster (one little pinhole or "glitch" and everyone dies) on Mars or the moon, why not live on a cruise ship like the Icon of the Sea? It is a FAR better idea at FAR lower cost and FAR less dangerous with FAR better amenities.

Seriously...Why would anyone fantasize about living on Mars? Not even Elon Musk does that. It would be like fantasizing about living in a Boeing 747 flying at an altitude of 250 million miles :)

All good till that rouge wave hits.

[bruce213]

NASA has a completely different set of procurement regs, and is not forced to go with low bid. I was in procurement for the DOJ and found NASA's regs very interesting.







QUOTE=mtdjed;2305481]And we have a broken Lander after 59 years of progress. How would you like to see that if you were on the Mars lander? Once was in attendance to a session with an astronaut. I recall his comment regarding confidence in mission success. He made a comment relating to hard to be 100% when all of the parts were made by the lowest bidder.[/QUOTE]

[fdpaq0580]

Elon Musk is a Vulcan... Asperger's is just another con.

He's disguised as a Vulcan. Elon is actually a Romulan. Don't trust him.

[Road-Runner]

1. Mars bars are inferior while everything Hershey's is worth traveling to

2. I would pay good money to go deep into the resistance underground just to see Quado pop out that dudes belly

3. MARS has no amenities or golf in the southern areas except for a butcher that charges $58 a pound for a decent steak and has Marsy Bingo on a Monday night

Love obscure references like #2! Favorite line from that movie, "Consider that a divorce"!

[Blueblaze]

I think explorers should explore every corner of our universe, so long as they do it on their own dime. I might even chip in, if it was voluntary and I got a cut of whatever they find.

But I've never quite understood the logic of colonizing a planet with an unbreathable Co2 atmosphere, and no water, that's bombarded by deadly radiation, and colder than Antarctica. For crying out loud, the entire continent of Antarctica is right there, just 12,000 miles away! You can breath the air, and even walk around outside without radiation poisoning, and if you get thirsty, you can just break off a chunk and melt it!

But I can't think of a better place for a Global Warming fanatic to escape to than Mars. I hope they all catch the next rocket out.

[fdpaq0580]

I think explorers should explore every corner of our universe, so long as they do it on their own dime. I might even chip in, if it was voluntary and I got a cut of whatever they find.

But I've never quite understood the logic of colonizing a planet with an unbreathable Co2 atmosphere, and no water, that's bombarded by deadly radiation, and colder than Antarctica. For crying out loud, the entire continent of Antarctica is right there, just 12,000 miles away! You can breath the air, and even walk around outside without radiation poisoning, and if you get thirsty, you can just break off a chunk and melt it!

But I can't think of a better place for a Global Warming fanatic to escape to than Mars. I hope they all catch the next rocket out.

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

[golfing eagles]

I think explorers should explore every corner of our universe, so long as they do it on their own dime. I might even chip in, if it was voluntary and I got a cut of whatever they find.

But I've never quite understood the logic of colonizing a planet with an unbreathable Co2 atmosphere, and no water, that's bombarded by deadly radiation, and colder than Antarctica. For crying out loud, the entire continent of Antarctica is right there, just 12,000 miles away! You can breath the air, and even walk around outside without radiation poisoning, and if you get thirsty, you can just break off a chunk and melt it!

But I can't think of a better place for a Global Warming fanatic to escape to than Mars. I hope they all catch the next rocket out.

True, but it's the best we have within 4.1 light years :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I think explorers should explore every corner of our universe, so long as they do it on their own dime. I might even chip in, if it was voluntary and I got a cut of whatever they find.

But I've never quite understood the logic of colonizing a planet with an unbreathable Co2 atmosphere, and no water, that's bombarded by deadly radiation, and colder than Antarctica. For crying out loud, the entire continent of Antarctica is right there, just 12,000 miles away! You can breath the air, and even walk around outside without radiation poisoning, and if you get thirsty, you can just break off a chunk and melt it!

But I can't think of a better place for a Global Warming fanatic to escape to than Mars. I hope they all catch the next rocket out.

And may I suggest the number one first pick to go?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

And may I suggest the number one first pick to go?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

[Topspinmo]

Like a couple of very large Euro Asian countries do now? barf

I think they 5 finger discount it being they don’t recognize patent/trademark laws.:evil6:

[AMB444]

There are people who have the spirit of adventure and would risk their lives to experience the unknown. I say let them go for it...

This!

Let's send all the extroverts. :1rotfl:

[AMB444]

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?

Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

:1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Uh oh!

Can. Open. Worms everywhere.

:1rotfl:

So far, so good! 😏

[golfing eagles]

Oh! Oh! Pick me! Pick MEEE!!! 🙏🙃☺️🙃☺️

C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[AMB444]

So far, so good! 😏

Don't survey any college kids about this issue. :laugh:

[jimbomaybe]

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.
I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

[fdpaq0580]

C'mon, you know you're the second pick and you know who #1 is as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Awww! I hate always being the number 2.

[Stu from NYC]

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Growing food on Mars seemed very doable on the Martian.:bigbow:

[fdpaq0580]

I don't think there was any altruistic or scientific motivation on the part of the Spanish Crown, not finding a shorter way to the orient they lucked out and raped, pillaged and plundered the native americans to their great proffit, as for growing plants it would take a huge amount of energy to keep spaces warm enough for plants to grow , lacking a magnetic field the solar wind would keep draining away your atmosphere and produce much more radiation than most plants could stand

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

[jimbomaybe]

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

In about 5 billion years our sun will be getting to the point of being a Red Giant it will expand to the point of encompassing the orbit of earth, we won't have to go to it, it will reclaim us, Mars might be a better place then

[golfing eagles]

Who said anything about altruistic motives, although it is possible. Chris was motivated in part by science. He believed the world is round and wanted to prove it. The Spanish bought into his claim for the potential gain they would receive, and the rest of Europe profited as well.
That's the way it works. Someone comes up with a possible answer to a question, but they need some kind of help or support to accomplish the necessary task. They sell it as a potential benefit to investors. The scientist/explorer gets to solve their riddle, and, if successful, the investors reap their reward.
And, often, research/exploration leads to unforeseen discoveries and benefits. And, society benefits.
Remember the old saying, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Seekers! Searchers! Explorers are we humans! To the Moon. To Mars. To the stars and beyond. We are made of star stuff, and to the stars we will return one day.
✨️

Actually, everyone with any education at the time knew the world was spherical. Only the uneducated believed it was flat (as some still do today). Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the Earth pretty accurately in 300 BC.

[Two Bills]

They deep-fry Mars Bars in batter in Scotland.
Funny old world.

[Blueblaze]

No exploration is ever accomplished on their own dime. Everyone reaps the benefits through advancements in all fields. If Columbus hadn't had help from the Spanish crown, where would we be today, I wonder?
As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Yeah, we are all better off back in feudal times, when our betters owned everything for our own good, right?

'Ole Chris just went to where the money was. And his investor reaped so much profit in stolen Indian gold that the resulting inflation made sure the Spanish crown never had the wealth to invest in anything ever again. Odd that the "experts" didn't see that coming.

As for "terra-forming" Mars, isn't that sorta like killing off the buffalo to grow wheat, or even throwing another log on the fire to break the cycle of ice ages? I thought we were against manipulating environments for our own benefit, these days.

But if you really think we ought to make Mars livable, why not start with a much easier project -- Antarctica!

[MDLNB]

"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

[golfing eagles]

"should earthlings travel to and inhabit mars?"

no

why not???

[fdpaq0580]

Actually, everyone with any education at the time knew the world was spherical. Only the uneducated believed it was flat (as some still do today). Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the Earth pretty accurately in 300 BC.

All true, but very few, if any had sailed west and returned home from the east. Chris felt comfortable enough to actually give it a try. And, his efforts brought a lot of discoveries and wealth to Europe.

[JMintzer]

Growing food on Mars seemed very doable on the Martian.:bigbow:

If you're into potatoes...

That said, this website could certainly supply the needed fertilizer... :clap2:

[Stu from NYC]

why not???

Because?

[golfing eagles]

Because?

Because why??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

Because why??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

He is the shortstop

[fdpaq0580]

If you're into potatoes...

That said, this website could certainly supply the needed fertilizer... :clap2:

I do like potatoes.
As for this website, it provides loads of that high quality manure, and so much more.

Such fun!

[fdpaq0580]

He is the shortstop

1st base man, 2nd base man, 3rd base man. Describes the position one plays.
Pitcher, Catcher. Describes what one's job is.
Shortstop? Doesn't really indicate if it is an object, or a person. If it is meant to describe what one's job is, shouldn't it be "Short stoper?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Baseball is a strange language!

[MorTech]

As for living on Mars, terra-forming can grow plants to create an atmosphere that will alter the temperature, etc. Where there is a will, there is a way.

You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.

[fdpaq0580]

You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.

First off, I would think it unwise to take a devise like a Geiger counter on a plane. You'd probably never get through security.
As for the your date with the Princess. I spoke with her this morning. She said she love to scramble your eggs for breakfast before taking you on a personal tour of Helium. She wants to know when she can expect you.

[biker1]

Geiger counters are not a problem for TSA.

First off, I would think it unwise to take a devise like a Geiger counter on a plane. You'd probably never get through security.
As for the your date with the Princess. I spoke with her this morning. She said she love to scramble your eggs for breakfast before taking you on a personal tour of Helium. She wants to know when she can expect you.

[biker1]

Yes, shielding is a problem and is the subject of R&D by NASA.

You are joking, riiight?

The only thing that would get me to Mars is a date with Dejah Thoris :)

Just for fun: Take a Geiger counter on a plane and turn it on at 35,000 feet. Now imagine it on Mars. Geiger counters are under 100 bucks now on Amazon.

[rustyp]

"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

why not???

Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

[MDLNB]

"NO" because it is not habitable for humans, UNLESS you can live without oxygen and survive the cold. You are better off building a habitat under the ocean than on Mars. Just remember that any emergency assistance is about 9 months away....if you are lucky. On the other hand, what the private sector does is none of my business. What the gov does with taxpayer money IS our business and they spend frivolously as it is. In my opinion, if we are serious about migration to Mars, we should first use unmanned equipment to make the planet habitable, before sending humans on one way suicide missions. Let the private sector fund the experiment.

[Dusty_Star]

"NO" because it is not habitable for humans, UNLESS you can live without oxygen and survive the cold. You are better off building a habitat under the ocean than on Mars. Just remember that any emergency assistance is about 9 months away....if you are lucky. On the other hand, what the private sector does is none of my business. What the gov does with taxpayer money IS our business and they spend frivolously as it is. In my opinion, if we are serious about migration to Mars, we should first use unmanned equipment to make the planet habitable, before sending humans on one way suicide missions. Let the private sector fund the experiment.

If the private sector funds it, then you will be looking at billboards in the sky.

[golfing eagles]

Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

So, in other words, the answer is yes (to golf, not pollution)

[rustyp]

"Should Earthlings travel to and inhabit Mars?"

NO

why not???

Because we will either pollute it or turn it into a golf course - probably both.

So, in other words, the answer is yes (to golf, not pollution)

What do you call the 19th hole on the red planet ? A Mars Bar !

[fdpaq0580]

What do you call the 19th hole on the red planet ? A Mars Bar !

Good one!

What is Marvin the Martian's K-9 companions name?

[MDLNB]

Why should we go to Mars? We can see everything we wish of Mars by remote controlled equipment. If we send someone up there, will they survive? Will they make the long trip back? Have we sent anything up there, landed successfully AND made it back to Earth? I guess if some believe that man can change the climate on Earth, then they can go to Mars and warm it up and create oxygen from CO2. Since I know that living on Mars will never have any affect on me, I really don't care if some private money goes into the effort. However, I do not wish to see our taxpayer money go to the effort. Do I care if our sun goes out? Nope, because it won't happen in my lifetime, and probably not in my great-great-great grandchildren's lifetime. I personally believe that man's existence is based solely on God's plan for us, not on man believing they are gods and can have any choice in the matter.
Man travel to Mars? Why? Because they can? Good luck, just don't force me to contribute to the effort. Not interested in encouraging folks to go there just because they can, or think they can. There are many cheaper ways to commit suicide here on earth.

[fdpaq0580]

Why should we go to Mars? We can see everything we wish of Mars by remote controlled equipment. If we send someone up there, will they survive? Will they make the long trip back? Have we sent anything up there, landed successfully AND made it back to Earth? I guess if some believe that man can change the climate on Earth, then they can go to Mars and warm it up and create oxygen from CO2. Since I know that living on Mars will never have any affect on me, I really don't care if some private money goes into the effort. However, I do not wish to see our taxpayer money go to the effort. Do I care if our sun goes out? Nope, because it won't happen in my lifetime, and probably not in my great-great-great grandchildren's lifetime. I personally believe that man's existence is based solely on God's plan for us, not on man believing they are gods and can have any choice in the matter.
Man travel to Mars? Why? Because they can? Good luck, just don't force me to contribute to the effort. Not interested in encouraging folks to go there just because they can, or think they can. There are many cheaper ways to commit suicide here on earth.

How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?

[MDLNB]

How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?
I don't believe that I said it isn't in HIS plan. I was suggesting that some feel that they can change the climate here, therefore god-like egos. I have no more interest in someone putting a country flag on Mars than I do when someone breaks a home run record in baseball or rushing record in football. As for putting a man on Mars is concerned, I believe it's just more frivolous spending of taxpayer's hard earned money. And like I said before, if the private sector wishes to waste their money, so be it.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't believe that I said it isn't in HIS plan. I was suggesting that some feel that they can change the climate here, therefore god-like egos. I have no more interest in someone putting a country flag on Mars than I do when someone breaks a home run record in baseball or rushing record in football. As for putting a man on Mars is concerned, I believe it's just more frivolous spending of taxpayer's hard earned money. And like I said before, if the private sector wishes to waste their money, so be it.

"God-like egos". Hardly! If I believed I could control the climate by myself with just a thought, that would be God-like. But, with the help of over 8 billion of my human brothers and sisters and all the ingenuity and machines and factories, ships, etc, it is more than possible. Hardly God-like.
Great endeavors bring amazing scientific discovery that save lives, and can help protect our country and much more. Hardly what I would call frivolous spending. It is a normal part of living as part of a society.

[simplesimonsaid]

How do you know that going to Mars isn’t part of God's plan?

Which one controls space travel?

[fdpaq0580]

Which one controls space travel?

Which what controls space travel? Which God, which rule? Please be more spac-ific ������

[Topspinmo]

No worries. With Elon calling the shots we’ll have a Mars colony by 2035 and will be mining the asteroid belt soon after.

As it should be.


SpaceX will probably be only one that can make trip.

[Topspinmo]

"God-like egos". Hardly! If I believed I could control the climate by myself with just a thought, that would be God-like. But, with the help of over 8 billion of my human brothers and sisters and all the ingenuity and machines and factories, ships, etc, it is more than possible. Hardly God-like.
Great endeavors bring amazing scientific discovery that save lives, and can help protect our country and much more. Hardly what I would call frivolous spending. It is a normal part of living as part of a society.

The only way to control climate change is to control population of humans.

[fdpaq0580]

The only way to control climate change is to control population of humans.

One of many pieces of the puzzle which need to be considered.

[JerryLBell]

Unless we become a space going race we die when the sun expires.
In about a billion years, our local star will get enough brighter to cause the oceans of our little planet to boil away, so we really don't need to wait until the sun runs out of hydrogen and starts to expand radically (out to or just past the orbit of Earth) to find the neighborhood no longer what it used to be.

Besides, even if we could come up with the technology to live further out in the solar system or even to send humanity to the starts, it's not that likely that we'd live that far into the future anyway. Humans haven't been around for all that long compared to some dinosaur species, but even they didn't last a billion years. If we last another hundred thousand years or so, we will have had quite a nice run of it. Given how we have been as stewards to the planet, we probably won't last nearly that long.

[fdpaq0580]

In about a billion years, our local star will get enough brighter to cause the oceans of our little planet to boil away, so we really don't need to wait until the sun runs out of hydrogen and starts to expand radically (out to or just past the orbit of Earth) to find the neighborhood no longer what it used to be.

Besides, even if we could come up with the technology to live further out in the solar system or even to send humanity to the starts, it's not that likely that we'd live that far into the future anyway. Humans haven't been around for all that long compared to some dinosaur species, but even they didn't last a billion years. If we last another hundred thousand years or so, we will have had quite a nice run of it. Given how we have been as stewards to the planet, we probably won't last nearly that long.

All true. So, what do you suggest our species should do? Take the pessimistic approach, assume the position, head between legs and kiss our buttons goodbye? Or, take an optimistic approach, try to be better stewards of our planet, invest in scientific plans that promote space travel for long-term survival and exploration? Or, lastly, ignore it all and play another round of golf and pretend everything is just fine?
Personally, I like option 2. Just because I love my species, that doesn't blind me to our faults. No kids means I have no stake in the future. Still, I'd like to think there is hope for my species, even though I will never know.

[MrFlorida]

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

[fdpaq0580]

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

Sometimes it seems that way. But when my woman kisses me, I realize she is from heaven.

[Battlebasset]

Unless we become a space going race we die when the sun expires.

Reminds me of a joke:

A scientist was giving a public lecture, and explained that the sun would go out in 5 billion years.

After the lecture, a woman came running up and asked, very panicked "Did you say the sun was going out in five million years?".

"No madam:, he responded, "I said 5 billion years".

Visibly relieved, the woman said "Oh thank God!" as she walked away.

There are many things I can worry about, but the earth ending is not even remotely on my list.

[Battlebasset]

"NO" because it is not habitable for humans, UNLESS you can live without oxygen and survive the cold. You are better off building a habitat under the ocean than on Mars. Just remember that any emergency assistance is about 9 months away....if you are lucky. On the other hand, what the private sector does is none of my business. What the gov does with taxpayer money IS our business and they spend frivolously as it is. In my opinion, if we are serious about migration to Mars, we should first use unmanned equipment to make the planet habitable, before sending humans on one way suicide missions. Let the private sector fund the experiment.

Agree 100%. People downplay the immense distances to points in space. There is nothing there that would allow items to be refined/built there. Everything would need to come from earth. Unless there is something there of immense worth to offset the cost, there is no way this is economically feasible.

While still insanely expensive, it would be better to colonize the moon. It would require everything moving to Mars would require, but it is closer, and could be used as a platform for deeper space exploration. With unmanned probes. There is no reason to send a human anywhere in outer space, other than ego.

[fdpaq0580]

Agree 100%. People downplay the immense distances to points in space. There is nothing there that would allow items to be refined/built there. Everything would need to come from earth. Unless there is something there of immense worth to offset the cost, there is no way this is economically feasible.

While still insanely expensive, it would be better to colonize the moon. It would require everything moving to Mars would require, but it is closer, and could be used as a platform for deeper space exploration. With unmanned probes. There is no reason to send a human anywhere in outer space, other than ego.

Ego has nothing to do with it. Curiosity has everything to do with it. Without curiosity to drive us forward, our species would have died off long, long ago. Eventually there will be bases on the moon, then Mars, then farther out. Our species will always want to know what is over the next hill. Eventually, Star Trek and Star Wars will be scifact more than sci-fi. And, probably far sooner then we realize.

[MrFlorida]

On a Twilight Zone episode, they came to Earth with a book, " How to serve man" , it was a cook book.!

[fdpaq0580]

On a Twilight Zone episode, they came to Earth with a book, " How to serve man" , it was a cook book.!

I remember that episode. Apparently, we are delicious. A bit like pork .... Or so I've been told. 👽😱👽

[Topspinmo]

If we were "colonized" or more likely genetically manipulated by those aliens, it would have been the aliens, not humans that visited those worlds. Besides, it is highly unlikely that anything organic could stand on the "surface" of Jupiter.

Also, consider modifications of the Drake equation with the numbers we now have from space-based telescopes. It suggests that in the observable universe there are 40 TRILLION civilizations equal to or more advanced than our own. However, the distances are so great that it is unlikely any 2 would stumble over each other. Plus, Einstein would have to be wrong and FTL travel possible, or the technology to create stable artificial wormholes would have to be possible. And even then we are an insignificant planet at the edge of an insignificant galaxy far from the center of the universe that didn't even have EM transmissions of any power until 90 years ago. Could we have been found and helped by benevolent aliens in the distant past---possible, but highly improbable. Yes, there are mysteries such as the Great Pyramid, Puma Punko and Gobekli Tepe that we can't explain, but applying Occam's razor, more likely they were built with human technology and labor that was lost to us over the millennia than "aliens"

Funny we can’t cut big blocks of stone that accurately today and still can’t lift them in place due to weight. We can’t find the technology cause we never had it. :shocked:

[Topspinmo]

Ego has nothing to do with it. Curiosity has everything to do with it. Without curiosity to drive us forward, our species would have died off long, long ago. Eventually there will be bases on the moon, then Mars, then farther out. Our species will always want to know what is over the next hill. Eventually, Star Trek and Star Wars will be scifact more than sci-fi. And, probably far sooner then we realize.

We are species of greed and blind following. The have nots want what the haves have. Man only species that kill for fun (some call it sport). Sure majority are weak and must follow, but don’t get out of line or face the raft.

[fdpaq0580]

We are species of greed and blind following. The have nots want what the haves have. Man only species that kill for fun (some call it sport). Sure majority are weak and must follow, but don’t get out of line or face the raft.

You could be describing most any predatory species that live in groups, like lions, hyena, apes, orcas, etc. And man is not the only species that kills when it isn't necessary. (Seemingly for fun. Chasing down an animal, toying with it, then leaving the dead when it no longer provides entertainment. Cats, dogs, dolphins, apes, and more.)

[Battlebasset]

Ego has nothing to do with it. Curiosity has everything to do with it. Without curiosity to drive us forward, our species would have died off long, long ago. Eventually there will be bases on the moon, then Mars, then farther out. Our species will always want to know what is over the next hill. Eventually, Star Trek and Star Wars will be scifact more than sci-fi. And, probably far sooner then we realize.

I love Star Trek. But it totally sidesteps the issues of faster than light travel and the issues with space/time when you approach the speed of light. A quick google search will verify this. Even at the speed of light, the closet star, Alpha Centauri, is 4.3 years away.

And this isn't an issue of developing better technology. It's physics. Unless you can figure out a way to suspend those laws, we are stuck pretty much in our own solar system neighborhood.

[Stu from NYC]

I remember that episode. Apparently, we are delicious. A bit like pork .... Or so I've been told. 👽😱👽

So we dont taste like chicken?

[Davonu]

I love Star Trek. But it totally sidesteps the issues of faster than light travel and the issues with space/time when you approach the speed of light. A quick google search will verify this. Even at the speed of light, the closet star, Alpha Centauri, is 4.3 years away.

And this isn't an issue of developing better technology. It's physics. Unless you can figure out a way to suspend those laws, we are stuck pretty much in our own solar system neighborhood.
You’re letting an individual human being’s short lifespan affect forecasting of humanity’s long term (and I do mean lllloooooong term :) ) potential. There are no known limits…even considering all the speed-of-light and other ‘restrictive’ laws of physics.

Engage!

[Battlebasset]

You’re letting an individual human being’s short lifespan affect forecasting of humanity’s long term (and I do mean lllloooooong term :) ) potential. There are no known limits…even considering all the speed-of-light and other ‘restrictive’ laws of physics.

Engage!

Sorry. I'm "following the science". I hope I'm wrong. But I've seen nothing yet that makes me believe otherwise.

And the reality is, neither you or I will ever know. No chance anything close to light speed travel takes place in our lifetimes. I don't even know of anyone/organization working on it.

[Topspinmo]

You could be describing most any predatory species that live in groups, like lions, hyena, apes, orcas, etc. And man is not the only species that kills when it isn't necessary. (Seemingly for fun. Chasing down an animal, toying with it, then leaving the dead when it no longer provides entertainment. Cats, dogs, dolphins, apes, and more.)

But, we’re supposed to be smarter than animals? :oops:

[jimbomaybe]

So we dont taste like chicken?

The villages has all manor of clubs perhaps some day a cannibalism club, donate you body to the next BBQ.

[fdpaq0580]

So we dont taste like chicken?

Not likely. Cannibals refer to humans as long pig because that is what, apparently, what humans meat tastes like.

[fdpaq0580]

The villages has all manor of clubs perhaps some day a cannibalism club, donate you body to the next BBQ.

I would be happy to donate mine once I've died. I won't be using it, and then the question would be answered once and for all without having to rely on the reports of explorers and sailors.
A word to my cooks. I will be best rare to medium-rare with roased potatoes and asparagus, and a sauvignon blanc lightly chilled. I apologize in advance if you find me tough and stringy. I'm old and no longer very tender.