Cart Path South of Laurel Manor

[Dusty_Star]

Here's an interesting one from The Villages News: A man who lives near a cart path is complaining that there are too many carts driving on the path. I'm not familiar with that path it runs to the Laurel Manor rec & north of 466 or to the right to MMPs that look like they might take you anywhere you want to go.

Does he have a valid complaint? Or is it a case of high season, expansion of The Villages, & general increase in cart traffic?

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[SIRE1]

What is interesting is that is the path that The Villages free app indicated I should take when going from Sandlebrook to the Lake Miona rec center. So I suspect some of that traffic is being sent that way from The Villages app.

[JMintzer]

Here's an interesting one from The Villages News: A man who lives near a cart path is complaining that there are too many carts driving on the path. I'm not familiar with that path it runs to the Laurel Manor rec & north of 466 or to the right to MMPs that look like they might take you anywhere you want to go.

Does he have a valid complaint? Or is it a case of high season, expansion of The Villages, & general increase in cart traffic?

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Unless he's the original owner, and moved in before that path was in place, no... (and I doubt that's the case...)

Otherwise, he knew it was there when he bought the house...

I don't think it's due to expansion of TV. That cut thru is pretty far north. I would wager that not too many people south of 44 would travel that far nort via golf cart...

Oh, wait... Was that bashing those south of 44? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

The complaint is that cart traffic is cutting thru the village of Winifred and exiting from a cul-da-sac on the south side of Laurel Manor.
Been there since day one……..
I am guilty of using this route.

[Bogie Shooter]

What is interesting is that is the path that The Villages free app indicated I should take when going from Sandlebrook to the Lake Miona rec center. So I suspect some of that traffic is being sent that way from The Villages app.

Did you enter the Winifred village?

[golfing eagles]

The complaint is that cart traffic is cutting thru the village of Winifred and exiting from a cul-da-sac on the south side of Laurel Manor.
Been there since day one……..
I am guilty of using this route.

Don't feel "guilty". It is a legitimate cut through/ROW, and it's the only way I go to Glenview or Lopez. The whining complainer bought a house (one of 2) on either side of that path with full knowledge that it was there. It's just like those who bought near the turnpike and now want something done about the noise or those who bought near the railroad tracks and don't think trains should blow whistles. This clown can either shut his pie hole, buy ear plugs, or move.

[tophcfa]

The complaint is that cart traffic is cutting thru the village of Winifred and exiting from a cul-da-sac on the south side of Laurel Manor.
Been there since day one……..
I am guilty of using this route.

Dam, it just got busier. A newly learned cut thru is on the agenda.

[Papa_lecki]

I just looked at the “cut through” on google maps. The road is literally called “Cart Rd”.

[bowlingal]

He has a valid complaint. I would not like to live in that area of Kingston St. Constant golf cart traffic all day long, all year long.

[huge-pigeons]

It’s just people moving into an existing area next to an airport then complaining about the airplane noise.
We had a person move on the lake and then started complaining about boat noise.
It takes all kinds!

[RedWingNut]

Buyer beware, path was no surprise when home was purchased. He will be selling soon, bad news is the property value is now lower due to all the attention now brought on this issue. Better off saying nothing and selling during slow seson

[MPLinzi]

I have a friend who lives on dump road and is always complaining that dump trucks keep passing his house. Sell and buy another house.

[golfing eagles]

He has a valid complaint. I would not like to live in that area of Kingston St. Constant golf cart traffic all day long, all year long.

Then don't buy there. His complaint has no validity whatsoever.

Also, I have to wonder if he paid less for his home than equivalent homes 1/2 a block away.
That would be like buying generic green beans and then complaining they are not as good as Green Giant

[Villagesgal]

People will complain about anything. That cart path cut thru was there when he bought. Too bad for him that he didn't realize as the community grew traffic would increase. I personally have used that cut thru ever since the Village of Winifred was built. I use the pool there sometimes too, what's next, a complaint that people thar don't live in Winifred shouldn't use their pool. The roads belong to all residents, so all can use them. If he doesn't like it, he should move.

[Girlcopper]

He has a valid complaint. I would not like to live in that area of Kingston St. Constant golf cart traffic all day long, all year long.
Well. Then don’t buy a house there. Easy. The complaint is ridiculous

[RRGuyNJ]

Unless he's the original owner, and moved in before that path was in place, no... (and I doubt that's the case...)

Otherwise, he knew it was there when he bought the house...

I don't think it's due to expansion of TV. That cut thru is pretty far north. I would wager that not too many people south of 44 would travel that far nort via golf cart...

Oh, wait... Was that bashing those south of 44? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would bet that's the case. He bought the home, the path was there and now.... he sees carts.
It reminds me of when I worked for the railroad in NJ. Bay Head yard was there for probably 100 years, along comes a developer and builds dozens of high end houses. Folks buy the houses, then complain they hear train noise from the yard.:22yikes:

[golfing eagles]

Well. Then don’t buy a house there. Easy. The complaint is ridiculous

Obviously I agree. However, here is the applicable section of the article on the forbidden news site:

Linker said he is hoping to see signs put up, instructing golf cart drivers to use the multi-modal path, rather than cutting through Winifred.

CDD 5 Supervisor Jerry Knoll, who sits on the Project Wide Advisory Committee, recently paid a visit to Linker’s home. He admitted there appears to be a lot of golf carts cutting through the neighborhood.

Knoll said he would raise the signage issue with PWAC."

I can't believe that the powers that be are actually listening to this whiner.

[NotGolfer]

Just like complaining about golf balls hitting a house that sits next to a golf course. I also have another to add....folks want the quiet of country living so buy a plot near farms, then complain about farm odors that sometimes waft. Like my parents used to say----"some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope." I do hope NO signs go up on that path. We too have used it. Maybe he should complain about cars driving the street past his house. Can he hear the loud-speakers from the polo field??

[golfing eagles]

I guess he didn't have his coffee yet.

I'm guessing happy hour hasn't started yet :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bay Kid]

The complaint is that cart traffic is cutting thru the village of Winifred and exiting from a cul-da-sac on the south side of Laurel Manor.
Been there since day one……..
I am guilty of using this route.

I believe we are all guilty of using the shortcut thru Winifred. The problem is the speed people do in the neighborhood, passing carts, etc. Whenever I go thru I try to respect the neighbors.

[ron32162]

Actually it makes me want to take a cart ride over there

[Bogie Shooter]

who will enforce the signs? silly

[golfing eagles]

I believe we are all guilty of using the shortcut thru Winifred. The problem is the speed people do in the neighborhood, passing carts, etc. Whenever I go thru I try to respect the neighbors.

I highly doubt anybody "speeds" through that path between houses, which is what the homeowner was complaining about. As far as "speeding" on Kingston Way goes, how fast are the cars going????

[JDRVKR]

There are street signs directing cart traffic to this path/exit to Laurel Manor. It is not a secret path.

[GoneFishing]

Really… someone has nothing else to do but sit and count golf carts!

[Wilson02852]

What about the one that cuts through the backside of Palmer that puts you on Winnifred Way? How about Morse Blvd. to Yemasee Loop? Could go on and on. These we put in when property was developed. Unless there are deed restrictions the are for the use of everyone. What next close pickleball courts because the noise can be heard over a quarter mile away.

If you don't like it here move. It's that simple.

[JGibson]

I'm sure in 2004 when that village was built it wasn't such high traffic but with the huge expansion of TV it may be getting a little crazy so for all who says he shouldn't have bought there he may be the original owner.

[MidWestIA]

answer - move out of the villages

[golfing eagles]

I'm sure in 2004 when that village was built it wasn't such high traffic but with the huge expansion of TV it may be getting a little crazy so for all who says he shouldn't have bought there he may be the original owner.

So what?

Maybe those who bought near the turnpike didn't anticipate heavier traffic
Maybe those who bought near a pickleball court didn't anticipate the growing popularity of the sport.
Maybe those whose homes back up to Morse Blvd between the 6's didn't anticipate the huge increase in traffic including trucks due to development south of 44.

There are 2 houses , one on either side of that cut through. The owner claims 54,000 carts pass through there each month. Should they close the path and inconvenience the 54,000 because 1 or 2 are affected?????. Maybe they should close down Florida's turnpike since many more are affected. (And ban pickleball while they're at it).

[Topspinmo]

Here's an interesting one from The Villages News: A man who lives near a cart path is complaining that there are too many carts driving on the path. I'm not familiar with that path it runs to the Laurel Manor rec & north of 466 or to the right to MMPs that look like they might take you anywhere you want to go.

Does he have a valid complaint? Or is it a case of high season, expansion of The Villages, & general increase in cart traffic?

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No, he chose to buy there. The villages has doubled 10 years so double the traffic including golf carts.

[Topspinmo]

So what?

Maybe those who bought near the turnpike didn't anticipate heavier traffic
Maybe those who bought near a pickleball court didn't anticipate the growing popularity of the sport.
Maybe those whose homes back up to Morse Blvd between the 6's didn't anticipate the huge increase in traffic including trucks due to development south of 44.

There are 2 houses , one on either side of that cut through. The owner claims 54,000 carts pass through there each month. Should they close the path and inconvenience the 54,000 because 1 or 2 are affected?????. Maybe they should close down Florida's turnpike since many more are affected. (And ban pickleball while they're at it).

And ban golf due to golf cart traffic :wave:

[Topspinmo]

I highly doubt anybody "speeds" through that path between houses, which is what the homeowner was complaining about. As far as "speeding" on Kingston Way goes, how fast are the cars going????


Speed is such subjective event. Especially when one doesn’t have radar gun. :oops:

[golfing eagles]

And ban golf due to golf cart traffic :wave:

Nobody drives their cart on those paths anymore, it's too crowded :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Speed is should subjective event. Especially when one doesn’t have radar gun. :oops:

Kingston Way is a residential street---the speed limit for BOTH cars and carts is 20 mph. (But apparently not for bicycles, but they ignore all traffic laws anyway). In reality, however, I rarely see a car that is not going over 20, as well as any carts capable of exceeding 20 as well.

[Topspinmo]

I just looked at the “cut through” on google maps. The road is literally called “Cart Rd”.

Whoa, whoa, Now ALL golf cart paths/roads are MMPs which allows walkers to blunder along two and three abreast ignoring Florida’s road/street walking rules.

Road:

“The basic premise behind road-naming conventions, which are fairly consistent around the world, is that the name bestowed upon a road depends upon its size and function. A road, for example, is a path that connects two points.Feb”

[Cliff Fr]

That complaint reminds of people who move here from other states and complain about what they can get back home but not here, lol.

[dtennent]

Maybe those who bought near the turnpike didn't anticipate heavier traffic
Maybe those who bought near a pickleball court didn't anticipate the growing popularity of the sport.
Maybe those whose homes back up to Morse Blvd between the 6's didn't anticipate the huge increase in traffic including trucks due to development south of 44.

There are 2 houses , one on either side of that cut through. The owner claims 54,000 carts pass through there each month. Should they close the path and inconvenience the 54,000 because 1 or 2 are affected?????. Maybe they should close down Florida's turnpike since many more are affected. (And ban pickleball while they're at it).[/QUOTE]
54000/month? Let’s see assume 30 days/ month, 12 hours of daylight, you get 150 carts per hour or 2-3 carts per minute. Having taken that path many times, I don’t recall ever seeing that rate of traffic. Sound like a sampling was taken at the highest traffic during the day and extrapolated out to a monthly traffic.

Of course, if all of the carts were electric, maybe he wouldn’t mind it so much!

[Bilyclub]

He bought in 2015 and it's just bothering him now ? Paid less than than the person he bought it from.

[golfing eagles]

He bought in 2015 and it's just bothering him now ? Paid less than than the person he bought it from.

And probably the number of carts has not significantly changed since 2015---All the development since then has been south of 44 and people living there don't travel north of 466 by golf cart in droves.

[Laker14]

Then don't buy there. His complaint has no validity whatsoever.

Also, I have to wonder if he paid less for his home than equivalent homes 1/2 a block away.
That would be like buying generic green beans and then complaining they are not as good as Green Giant

Agree.
One reason for a cut-through like that is to make it easier for the neighbors in that area to get access to the BV MMP, especially going south. So for some, and for the complaining neighbor, it's a convenience. However, while he likes the convenience for HIS use, he doesn't like others using it.

I have a friend who lives near the cut-through on Yemassee, to the Morse MMP, in Largo. While it's wonderfully convenient for him, it adds to the through traffic of carts, all day long. When I was shopping for my home, I put that on my list of things to avoid.

[Joe C.]

Just another cry baby whining about something insignificant.
It's just a cart path ....... at least it's not a sewer treatment facility.

[golfing eagles]

Just another cry baby whining about something insignificant.
It's just a cart path ....... at least it's not a sewer treatment facility.

Or a nuclear power plant

Perhaps the whiner is a charter member of the NIMBY club :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[wamley]

The Village app sends you around the parking Loy of all the offices that are at Laurel manor and guides you to a small opening that goes off the MM path where you drive through what should be a cul de sac and takes you up into Palm golf course and out onto the MM. to go south

[djbabler]

The problem here is we are not talking about a cart (MMP) path. This is a neighborhood street with no MMP lane. The entrance and exit are nothing more than a way for that neighborhood to enter and exit the Buena Vista MMP. By cutting through this neiborhood on their streets you can save a minute or two max and avoid a couple tunnels. As time goes more and more people discover this short cut thus more and more traffic on their neighborhood street. These people DO NOT live on a cart path. They did not buy a house on a cart path. I use this route alot but may reconsider saving a minute and stay on MMP in the future.

[golfing eagles]

The problem here is we are not talking about a cart (MMP) path. This is a neighborhood street with no MMP lane. The entrance and exit are nothing more than a way for that neighborhood to enter and exit the Buena Vista MMP. By cutting through this neiborhood on their streets you can save a minute or two max and avoid a couple tunnels. As time goes more and more people discover this short cut thus more and more traffic on their neighborhood street. These people DO NOT live on a cart path. They did not buy a house on a cart path. I use this route alot but may reconsider saving a minute and stay on MMP in the future.

It is a path that only golf carts, bikes and pedestrians can use. It was there when the house was built, it was there when the current owner bought in 2015, IT IS A CART PATH. They bought a house ON A CART PATH. What did they think---this is nice, our own private short cut to BV North MMP? Not every road, in fact very few have a separate cart lane, which why the speed limit is 20 in neighborhoods. And it is NOT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. Until and unless the "neighborhood" purchases the street from Sumter County and pays to maintain it, it is a PUBLIC street with a PUBLIC ROW between those 2 houses. PERIOD. So, OK, close it off, and then all the other residents in THEIR neighborhood will have to go south to Winthrop Terrace and guess what?---cut between the two homes there to get to the MMP just past Palmer Cherry Hill #1. I don't know any other way for those residents to get to the BV MMP north. And, BTW, another poster was correct--Google Maps labels it "Cart Rd." But you are correct about one thing----now that this whiner has made a big deal about it, many more people will know about and use this route.

[Juliebythesea]

🤣🤣🤣

[tophcfa]

Took the cut through earlier today. A much easier way to get between Laurel Manor and Palmer than navigating Buena Vista. Learn something new every day.

[sowilts]

Unless he's the original owner, and moved in before that path was in place, no... (and I doubt that's the case...)

Otherwise, he knew it was there when he bought the house...

I don't think it's due to expansion of TV. That cut thru is pretty far north. I would wager that not too many people south of 44 would travel that far nort via golf cart...

Oh, wait... Was that bashing those south of 44? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I travel to go to all the fine course by cart from Linden. Nice ride except for the small one way tunnel. Cheers

[JMintzer]

I travel to go to all the fine course by cart from Linden. Nice ride except for the small one way tunnel. Cheers

Okay... That's one... Doesn't change my post...

[golfing eagles]

Okay... That's one... Doesn't change my post...

Why not? One whiner wants to change the direction of 54,000 carts/month. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dave951]

Think about the houses on the cart path going around Turtle Mound golf course. They have lots of cart traffic. That guy has nothing to complain about

[JMintzer]

Why not? One whiner wants to change the direction of 54,000 carts/month. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Tushie´ :p

[MartyW]

Not only does the app direct you that way, there’s a villages sign directing traffic to Laurel to go that way…

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Here's an interesting one from The Villages News: A man who lives near a cart path is complaining that there are too many carts driving on the path. I'm not familiar with that path it runs to the Laurel Manor rec & north of 466 or to the right to MMPs that look like they might take you anywhere you want to go.

Does he have a valid complaint? Or is it a case of high season, expansion of The Villages, & general increase in cart traffic?

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When we moved here in 2005, most carts were electric and produced very little noise. With the expansion of the villages, gas carts became popular (we switched to gas). I’ve often wondered about those living in those homes with “no houses behind” if they still like their choices.

[jparsoneau@aol.com]

What a joke
People buy a house next to something they don’t like and wine and complaining about it
If you don’t like where you’re buying move
You can get some good deals next to the turnpike 😆
My comment yesterday was removed. I hope this one is nicer and acceptable to TOTV 😆😆😆

[MikeN]

Really? Complaining about cart traffic in an area developed for golf carts? Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning

[Harold.wiser]

Wow, I'll bet the person that opened this can of worms is sorry they posted their complaint!
The responses offer little to no sympathy and made even more people aware of the shortcut...OOPS!!
Full disclosure: I use that path regularly myself.

[golfing eagles]

Wow, I'll bet the person that opened this can of worms is sorry they posted their complaint!
The responses offer little to no sympathy and made even more people aware of the shortcut...OOPS!!
Full disclosure: I use that path regularly myself.

And let's add some more irony to his whining:

Look at google maps----if you live in the area between Laurel Manor and Palmer east of BV, there are only 3 ways to get to the MMP---the cart ROW off Laurel Lane, which he is whining about, the ROW just north of Cherry Hill #1 green to Winthrop Terr. between 2 houses, and the south end cul-de-sac ROW of Winifred Way between 2 houses leading past the first tee of Cherry Hill. It looks like there are 5-600 homes in that area, so if they closed off HIS cut through, it would force all his "neighbors" to use one of the other two, increasing THEIR cart traffic.

Like a good neighbor, the whiner is NOT there.

[rustyp]

When we moved here in 2005, most carts were electric and produced very little noise. With the expansion of the villages, gas carts became popular (we switched to gas). I’ve often wondered about those living in those homes with “no houses behind” if they still like their choices.

I'll bet they sold and purchased a home with a kissing lanai near the turnpike.

[golfing eagles]

I'll bet they sold and purchased a home with a kissing lanai near the turnpike.

Or landfill :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[CarlR33]

54,000 carts a month or ~1800 per day?? Is that even possible? Dang

[Jim 9922]

1800 carts a day is about one every 30 seconds when considering a 14 hour day (7AM to 9PM). Maybe his "counting machine" is off a bit

[Shipping up to Boston]

Don't feel "guilty". It is a legitimate cut through/ROW, and it's the only way I go to Glenview or Lopez. The whining complainer bought a house (one of 2) on either side of that path with full knowledge that it was there. It's just like those who bought near the turnpike and now want something done about the noise or those who bought near the railroad tracks and don't think trains should blow whistles. This clown can either shut his pie hole, buy ear plugs, or move.

So true.
People buy homes near sporting venues and complain when events happen and the lights go on (TV example; the new HS complex) or people that buy homes next to colleges/universities, many that existed well before their arrival. Do your homework and if you don’t, you own it

[xcaligirl]

The complaint is that cart traffic is cutting thru the village of Winifred and exiting from a cul-da-sac on the south side of Laurel Manor.
Been there since day one……..
I am guilty of using this route.
I also use it but it's not something new, I'm sure also that it was there when he bought the house, what about the houses on golf courses and they have golfers driving by ALL DAY!! That's how ridiculous the complaint is.... I'm thinking that's all he has to do all day is keep a chart of how many carts are driving by! I doubt I would like it either but I wouldn't agree to buy there!

[Bogie Shooter]

I also use it but it's not something new, I'm sure also that it was there when he bought the house, what about the houses on golf courses and they have golfers driving by ALL DAY!! That's how ridiculous the complaint is.... I'm thinking that's all he has to do all day is keep a chart of how many carts are driving by! I doubt I would like it either but I wouldn't agree to buy there!

Didn’t I agree?

[JGibson]

If it's going to be a cut through for a high volume of carts they could add some speed bumps to slow those down who are late for their tee time.

[tophcfa]

If it's going to be a cut through for a high volume of carts they could add some speed bumps to slow those down who are late for their tee time.

My cart is governed at the speed limit and I get passed often by carts with no clubs on the back.

[Shipping up to Boston]

My cart is governed at the speed limit and I get passed often by carts with no clubs on the back.

Time to modify

[Hape2Bhr]

If it's going to be a cut through for a high volume of carts they could add some speed bumps to slow those down who are late for their tee time.

You speed through that entrance and your head may hit the roof. :gc:

[golfing eagles]

If it's going to be a cut through for a high volume of carts they could add some speed bumps to slow those down who are late for their tee time.

No need. The drainage "culvert" or whatever you call it is so deep and the turn so sharp that there is no speeding there whatsoever.