Pickle Ball vs Platform Tennis Court Resources

[Minoletti]

I understand these are two completely different games. But, looking at the net height and playing surface dimensions, they are fairly close dimensionally. Pickle ball courts are very busy and in demand. Platform tennis courts are mostly unoccupied. Why cant a single court be designed for multi use with adjustable net height (if different), and two different color sets of lines be painted on the same surface for the two different sports?
Seems a waste of resources with some courts filled, others sitting empty.
Educate me please.

[Pugchief]

The same could be said of the tennis courts. 90% of the time I am playing PB, the tennis courts are unused. Not always, but usually.

It would make a lot of sense to take some of the tennis and platform tennis courts and turn them into more PB courts since that is what is popular. But then the people who do play tennis and paddle will scream, so I don't see it happening.

[Laker14]

Last year I reached out to the Recreation Department with the idea of taking ONE PART of the 2 tennis courts, striping for PB, and having a portable net so when the PB courts are jammed, and nobody is playing tennis, people could at least go over there and warm up, or if a couple just wanted to practice a bit they could do that. I even suggested a big bold sign stating that any tennis players would have preference and picklers would have to leave the court if the space was needed for tennis. I got an emphatic "NO". I was told that if I couldn't find a PB court near me (I'm in Poinciana) I should travel down to one of the newer areas like Franklin (an hour by golf cart) and see if they had a court open.

[Altavia]

There many (over 300 now and growing?) pickleball courts in the Villages.

Joining some groups with scheduled court times is the best way to guarantee play time.

I hate playing on multi purpose courts - non regulation nets and too many lines are distracting.

The platform courts are great for drill's/practice if not in use.

The tennis courts are well utilized near me.

[charmed59]

In the mornings before 10:30 tennis courts are well utilized everywhere. I know folks trying to get new court reservations because their reserved courts at Rohan and Burnsed were closed. It was pretty much impossible to get early morning. They ended up cutting a number of players from their group.

That said, wander to Seabreeze at 9 on Thursdays at Seabreeze and there are people playing tennis, sand tennis, touch tennis on the platform courts, and platform tennis and yet the pickleball courts are empty. People don’t show up until around 10.

At any moment in time there are tons of resources that are not being used. Neighborhood Pools, horseshoes, shuffle board, bocce, bean bag toss everywhere are all empty about 15 hours a day. Not to mention the parking lots. But people do use them. And it would be a shame to lose any of the amenities.

[Topspinmo]

Last year I reached out to the Recreation Department with the idea of taking ONE PART of the 2 tennis courts, striping for PB, and having a portable net so when the PB courts are jammed, and nobody is playing tennis, people could at least go over there and warm up, or if a couple just wanted to practice a bit they could do that. I even suggested a big bold sign stating that any tennis players would have preference and picklers would have to leave the court if the space was needed for tennis. I got an emphatic "NO". I was told that if I couldn't find a PB court near me (I'm in Poinciana) I should travel down to one of the newer areas like Franklin (an hour by golf cart) and see if they had a court open.


Most tennis are are stripped for master tennis. Tennis nets are 2 inch higher than pickleball. Makes more sense to add strips to some platform tennis courts due to dimension are same or close including net height. they are usually besides pickleball courts plus in cage so you don’t have to chase ball all over big tennis court.

[Topspinmo]

In the mornings before 10:30 tennis courts are well utilized everywhere. I know folks trying to get new court reservations because their reserved courts at Rohan and Burnsed were closed. It was pretty much impossible to get early morning. They ended up cutting a number of players from their group.

That said, wander to Seabreeze at 9 on Thursdays at Seabreeze and there are people playing tennis, sand tennis, touch tennis on the platform courts, and platform tennis and yet the pickleball courts are empty. People don’t show up until around 10.

At any moment in time there are tons of resources that are not being used. Neighborhood Pools, horseshoes, shuffle board, bocce, bean bag toss everywhere are all empty about 15 hours a day. Not to mention the parking lots. But people do use them. And it would be a shame to lose any of the amenities.

Expect for soccer fields at first responders, they are hardly ever used.

[Topspinmo]

Last year I reached out to the Recreation Department with the idea of taking ONE PART of the 2 tennis courts, striping for PB, and having a portable net so when the PB courts are jammed, and nobody is playing tennis, people could at least go over there and warm up, or if a couple just wanted to practice a bit they could do that. I even suggested a big bold sign stating that any tennis players would have preference and picklers would have to leave the court if the space was needed for tennis. I got an emphatic "NO". I was told that if I couldn't find a PB court near me (I'm in Poinciana) I should travel down to one of the newer areas like Franklin (an hour by golf cart) and see if they had a court open.

Good. Stripping platform tennis cages better idea nearly same dimensions as pickleball courts. May be same I haven’t look up the small differences.

[Laker14]

In the mornings before 10:30 tennis courts are well utilized everywhere. I know folks trying to get new court reservations because their reserved courts at Rohan and Burnsed were closed. It was pretty much impossible to get early morning. They ended up cutting a number of players from their group.

That said, wander to Seabreeze at 9 on Thursdays at Seabreeze and there are people playing tennis, sand tennis, touch tennis on the platform courts, and platform tennis and yet the pickleball courts are empty. People don’t show up until around 10.

At any moment in time there are tons of resources that are not being used. Neighborhood Pools, horseshoes, shuffle board, bocce, bean bag toss everywhere are all empty about 15 hours a day. Not to mention the parking lots. But people do use them. And it would be a shame to lose any of the amenities.

This is simply false. My idea may have been a bad one, and we needn't argue it since it was categorically shot down by Rec Department, but the statement enlarged in the quote is simply not true.

[Altavia]

This is simply false. My idea may have been a bad one, and we needn't argue it since it was categorically shot down by Rec Department, but the statement enlarged in the quote is simply not true.

Agree.

But plenty of opportunity for paddle sports here.

Have you tried Platform Tennis? It's fun and the ability to play the ball off the screens is very challenging.

They have a very organized group with great instructional programs.

Same is true for sand tennis.

Just wish each sport didn't require a different racquet :-)

[Michigan Farmer]

For the life of me I don't understand why after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild platform tennis courts at Rohan and Eisenhour they can't spend another couple of dollars to put down a NVZ line on the courts which would make them multi use. I can count on one hand the platform tennis games I've seen played at Eisenhour over the past eight years, they get more hours of pickleball play in a day month than PTwill ever get in a year.

[Laker14]

Agree.

But plenty of opportunity for paddle sports here.

Have you tried Platform Tennis? It's fun and the ability to play the ball off the screens is very challenging.

They have a very organized group with great instructional programs.

Same is true for sand tennis.

Just wish each sport didn't require a different racquet :-)

Actually I am very familiar with platform tennis. I played a lot of it in the '70s, '80s and early '90s up north. Traveled, played a lot of tournaments. Loved it. Kind of wore my shoulder out hitting all of those overheads, and had some back problems so I quit. It never really took off in my town the way I hoped it would, and the way PB has, so getting good competition became impossible unless I was willing to travel 2 hours or more. That gets old in Western NY in the winter.

[bowlingal]

Minoletti...platform tennis is performed in a cage and the ball can be played off the walls of the cage. Pickelball has no such cage. Could be one reason you can't have a universal court.

[rsmurano]

I tried platform tennis thinking it would be similar to racquetball, it wasn’t. Actually, it was a let down. If you wanted to do pickleball drills, just a couple of guys, then the platform tennis courts would be good. We tried using tennis courts and the net is too high and you chase the balls a long way on tennis courts.
If you want to see a new sport that looks like it would be a lot of fun, check out Padel.

[jimjamuser]

I understand these are two completely different games. But, looking at the net height and playing surface dimensions, they are fairly close dimensionally. Pickle ball courts are very busy and in demand. Platform tennis courts are mostly unoccupied. Why cant a single court be designed for multi use with adjustable net height (if different), and two different color sets of lines be painted on the same surface for the two different sports?
Seems a waste of resources with some courts filled, others sitting empty.
Educate me please.
The problem with Pickle Ball is that the ball tends to bounce LOW, which is hard on the players knees. The other problem is that BOTH the ball and the racket are VERY STIFF. If you don't believe that, then just LISTEN to the strange "KLUNKING" sounds coming from the pickle ball courts. These are the sounds of STIFF objects colliding. I have been very surprise that some equipment manufacturer has not devised a Pickle ball with a softer coating that also allows the ball to bounce up a little higher. The racket could also be improved to have some "softness" at the point of impact. Possibly the use of strings would help or some rubber coating like on a table tennis racket. Go to the table tennis club when they are playing and LISTEN to the sound of the ball hitting the paddle. The ball is made of plastic (like the pickle ball), yet the sound is more mellow and satisfying.
......To me Pickleball is a game that is hard on the knees and the elbow, so it strikes me as strange that this game has become SO popular with seniors..........who have notoriously UNSOUND knees and elbows.
........Now a tennis type game played on sand makes MUCH MORE sense to me. The sand is obviously EASIER on the knees and the strings of a tennis racket provides shock absorption for the ELBOW.
.........The tennis-like game called short court (I think) would seem to be IDEALLY suited to seniors. It uses the standard tennis court and net height ( NO need to build a special court like Pickle ball). The only change from regular tennis is some line changes and a tennis ball with less air pressure inside.

[DrHitch]

Balancing the needs of 165,000 people can't be easy....today's pickleball becomes some other activity in 5 years. But agree that development of multi-sport facilities is a priority for the developers. You can see that trend in how golf cart paths have morphed into multi-M mobile paths... Much of the facility at the new Eastport town center has been designed for multiple uses...

[Topspinmo]

This is simply false. My idea may have been a bad one, and we needn't argue it since it was categorically shot down by Rec Department, but the statement enlarged in the quote is simply not true.


Don’t want argument don’t bring it up beings you idea was no go.

Ok who going to do all the net adjustments beings Rec center control net cranks? Like I sure the employees are Going spend extra time cranking nets up and cause few don’t want to wait in line at pickleball courts or think there special and only want to play by themselves. besides, they would probably contract it out due to skill level. Just like they did with blowing courts off which they don’t ensure contractors doing job the hired to do.

[Topspinmo]

Balancing the needs of 165,000 people can't be easy....today's pickleball becomes some other activity in 5 years. But agree that development of multi-sport facilities is a priority for the developers. You can see that trend in how golf cart paths have morphed into multi-M mobile paths... Much of the facility at the new Eastport town center has been designed for multiple uses...


Don’t you mean walking blundering paths.:BigApplause:

[Laker14]

The problem with Pickle Ball is that the ball tends to bounce LOW, which is hard on the players knees. The other problem is that BOTH the ball and the racket are VERY STIFF. If you don't believe that, then just LISTEN to the strange "KLUNKING" sounds coming from the pickle ball courts. These are the sounds of STIFF objects colliding. I have been very surprise that some equipment manufacturer has not devised a Pickle ball with a softer coating that also allows the ball to bounce up a little higher. The racket could also be improved to have some "softness" at the point of impact. Possibly the use of strings would help or some rubber coating like on a table tennis racket. Go to the table tennis club when they are playing and LISTEN to the sound of the ball hitting the paddle. The ball is made of plastic (like the pickle ball), yet the sound is more mellow and satisfying.
......To me Pickleball is a game that is hard on the knees and the elbow, so it strikes me as strange that this game has become SO popular with seniors..........who have notoriously UNSOUND knees and elbows.
........Now a tennis type game played on sand makes MUCH MORE sense to me. The sand is obviously EASIER on the knees and the strings of a tennis racket provides shock absorption for the ELBOW.
.........The tennis-like game called short court (I think) would seem to be IDEALLY suited to seniors. It uses the standard tennis court and net height ( NO need to build a special court like Pickle ball). The only change from regular tennis is some line changes and a tennis ball with less air pressure inside.

Have you actually played any of these sports?

[Laker14]

Don’t want argument don’t bring it up beings you idea was no go.

Ok who going to do all the net adjustments beings Rec center control net cranks? Like I sure the employees are Going spend extra time cranking nets up and cause few don’t want to wait in line at pickleball courts or think there special and only want to play by themselves. besides, they would probably contract it out due to skill level. Just like they did with blowing courts off which they don’t ensure contractors doing job the hired to do.
feel free to continue the argument with yourself, for as long as you like. I think you are winning!

[jimjamuser]

Have you actually played any of these sports?
All of them. I'm a P-L-A-Y-AHH par excellente !!!!

[HORNET]

I understand these are two completely different games. But, looking at the net height and playing surface dimensions, they are fairly close dimensionally. Pickle ball courts are very busy and in demand. Platform tennis courts are mostly unoccupied. Why cant a single court be designed for multi use with adjustable net height (if different), and two different color sets of lines be painted on the same surface for the two different sports?
Seems a waste of resources with some courts filled, others sitting empty.
Educate me please. It’s not fair to tennis players to use their courts just because when everyone wants to play pickle ball at the same time.

[Laker14]

All of them.

Sounds like you need to invent a game of your own, with your own special requirements and watch it take off! It'll be great once you correct everything that's wrong Pickleball.

[TVTVTV]

It’s not fair to tennis players to use their courts just because when everyone wants to play pickle ball at the same time.

Just like it's not fair for splash splash water "volleyball" players having to double up players because a large group of water volleyball players show up hoping for empty courts, and when there aren't, the splash splash organizers don't know how to say no and make room for them to play. Why are they entitled if there truly isn't space during SS allotted time? Just pointing out a similar circumstance in multiple sports.

[Pugchief]

The problem with Pickle Ball is that the ball tends to bounce LOW, which is hard on the players knees. The other problem is that BOTH the ball and the racket are VERY STIFF. If you don't believe that, then just LISTEN to the strange "KLUNKING" sounds coming from the pickle ball courts. These are the sounds of STIFF objects colliding. I have been very surprise that some equipment manufacturer has not devised a Pickle ball with a softer coating that also allows the ball to bounce up a little higher. The racket could also be improved to have some "softness" at the point of impact. Possibly the use of strings would help or some rubber coating like on a table tennis racket. Go to the table tennis club when they are playing and LISTEN to the sound of the ball hitting the paddle. The ball is made of plastic (like the pickle ball), yet the sound is more mellow and satisfying.
......To me Pickleball is a game that is hard on the knees and the elbow, so it strikes me as strange that this game has become SO popular with seniors..........who have notoriously UNSOUND knees and elbows.


For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:

[Topspinmo]

feel free to continue the argument with yourself, for as long as you like. I think you are winning!


Yep, I always win:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Topspinmo]

For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:

That would doubles pickleball, singles pickleball at higher level lot more grueling.

[JMintzer]

The problem with Pickle Ball is that the ball tends to bounce LOW, which is hard on the players knees. The other problem is that BOTH the ball and the racket are VERY STIFF. If you don't believe that, then just LISTEN to the strange "KLUNKING" sounds coming from the pickle ball courts. These are the sounds of STIFF objects colliding. I have been very surprise that some equipment manufacturer has not devised a Pickle ball with a softer coating that also allows the ball to bounce up a little higher. The racket could also be improved to have some "softness" at the point of impact. Possibly the use of strings would help or some rubber coating like on a table tennis racket. Go to the table tennis club when they are playing and LISTEN to the sound of the ball hitting the paddle. The ball is made of plastic (like the pickle ball), yet the sound is more mellow and satisfying.
......To me Pickleball is a game that is hard on the knees and the elbow, so it strikes me as strange that this game has become SO popular with seniors..........who have notoriously UNSOUND knees and elbows.
........Now a tennis type game played on sand makes MUCH MORE sense to me. The sand is obviously EASIER on the knees and the strings of a tennis racket provides shock absorption for the ELBOW.
.........The tennis-like game called short court (I think) would seem to be IDEALLY suited to seniors. It uses the standard tennis court and net height ( NO need to build a special court like Pickle ball). The only change from regular tennis is some line changes and a tennis ball with less air pressure inside.

You're basing injuries on the SOUND the ball makes when hit? It SOUNDS "more mellow and satisfying"? I'm pretty sure that wasn't covered when I took kinesiology...

Good thing "tennis elbow" was caused by playing pickleball... Wait what?

With all of that shock absorbing material in tennis racquets and the tennis ball, it's impossible that people have gotten tennis elbow from playing TENNIS for decades...

Plus, I used to play sand volleyball. It is MUCH harder on the legs, as you don't have a solid surface to push against...

[Topspinmo]

For the life of me I don't understand why after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild platform tennis courts at Rohan and Eisenhour they can't spend another couple of dollars to put down a NVZ line on the courts which would make them multi use. I can count on one hand the platform tennis games I've seen played at Eisenhour over the past eight years, they get more hours of pickleball play in a day month than PTwill ever get in a year.


Rebuild? :oops:They wasn’t that old. Must of been snotty construction.

[JMintzer]

Have you actually played any of these sports?

Why play them, when all you have to do is "listen" to other people playing them?

[Topspinmo]

Actually I am very familiar with platform tennis. I played a lot of it in the '70s, '80s and early '90s up north. Traveled, played a lot of tournaments. Loved it. Kind of wore my shoulder out hitting all of those overheads, and had some back problems so I quit. It never really took off in my town the way I hoped it would, and the way PB has, so getting good competition became impossible unless I was willing to travel 2 hours or more. That gets old in Western NY in the winter.


Especially with that chunk of wood you have to play with.

[JMintzer]

For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:

He makes them up on the fly...

[Topspinmo]

The problem with Pickle Ball is that the ball tends to bounce LOW, which is hard on the players knees. The other problem is that BOTH the ball and the racket are VERY STIFF. If you don't believe that, then just LISTEN to the strange "KLUNKING" sounds coming from the pickle ball courts. These are the sounds of STIFF objects colliding. I have been very surprise that some equipment manufacturer has not devised a Pickle ball with a softer coating that also allows the ball to bounce up a little higher. The racket could also be improved to have some "softness" at the point of impact. Possibly the use of strings would help or some rubber coating like on a table tennis racket. Go to the table tennis club when they are playing and LISTEN to the sound of the ball hitting the paddle. The ball is made of plastic (like the pickle ball), yet the sound is more mellow and satisfying.
......To me Pickleball is a game that is hard on the knees and the elbow, so it strikes me as strange that this game has become SO popular with seniors..........who have notoriously UNSOUND knees and elbows.
........Now a tennis type game played on sand makes MUCH MORE sense to me. The sand is obviously EASIER on the knees and the strings of a tennis racket provides shock absorption for the ELBOW.
.........The tennis-like game called short court (I think) would seem to be IDEALLY suited to seniors. It uses the standard tennis court and net height ( NO need to build a special court like Pickle ball). The only change from regular tennis is some line changes and a tennis ball with less air pressure inside.

Don’t have clue do you…:sing:

[Pugchief]

That would doubles pickleball, singles pickleball at higher level lot more grueling.


99% of PB players in TV play doubles.

I have played singles PB and singles tennis. While singles PB is more demanding physically than doubles PB, it is still less demanding than singles tennis.

Likewise, doubles PB is less demanding than doubles tennis


This is a function of the court being smaller, and has little to do with the paddle/racket or ball.

[jimjamuser]

Sounds like you need to invent a game of your own, with your own special requirements and watch it take off! It'll be great once you correct everything that's wrong Pickleball.
Actually, I wasn't knocking Pickle ball. I just presented common sense observations that could improve the game.

[jimjamuser]

For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:
I COACHED a tennis team that played against Andre Agassi in high school. I played a guy from the Bollettieri Tennis Academy that a year later turned pro and was ranked in the World top 10. And I may have forgotten another downside of Pickle Ball. That the "wristy" shots involve cause too much pressure in the wrists and forearms. AND, I am NOT even close to buying that Pickle Ball is easier on the knees and ankles than tennis. I have played doubles tennis for 4 hours at a time. I doubt that I could play Pickle Ball for 4 hours in a row - without dying of boredom! I think that we could find a study somewhere made by Physicians as to whether tennis or Pickle ball causes the most injuries. In fact, I think I will try Googling that question right now.

[jimjamuser]

For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:
The Pickle Ball does NOT bounce low because it was DESIGNED that way.The originators of Pickle Ball just grabbed the plastic ball away from their dog Pickles. No great laboratory design.

[JMintzer]

I COACHED a tennis team that played against Andre Agassi in high school. I played a guy from the Bollettieri Tennis Academy that a year later turned pro and was ranked in the World top 10. And I may have forgotten another downside of Pickle Ball. That the "wristy" shots involve cause too much pressure in the wrists and forearms. AND, I am NOT even close to buying that Pickle Ball is easier on the knees and ankles than tennis. I have played doubles tennis for 4 hours at a time. I doubt that I could play Pickle Ball for 4 hours in a row - without dying of boredom! I think that we could find a study somewhere made by Physicians as to whether tennis or Pickle ball causes the most injuries. In fact, I think I will try Googling that question right now.

Without adjusting for age that data is useless...

[Pugchief]

The Pickle Ball does NOT bounce low because it was DESIGNED that way.The originators of Pickle Ball just grabbed the plastic ball away from their dog Pickles. No great laboratory design.


What was going on in the 60s when the game was invented is irrelevant to today's paddles and balls. Just like the morph from wooden tennis rackets to metal to graphite and then carbon, PB paddle tech and ball tech have evolved. The balls bounce the way they do by design. If the manufacturers wanted a different bounce based on player need, I assure you, they would design them that way.

[Altavia]

What was going on in the 60s when the game was invented is irrelevant to today's paddles and balls. Just like the morph from wooden tennis rackets to metal to graphite and then carbon, PB paddle tech and ball tech have evolved. The balls bounce the way they do by design. If the manufacturers wanted a different bounce based on player need, I assure you, they would design them that way.

Exactly

2.D.5 Bounce. The ball shall have a bounce of 30 to 34 inches (76.2 to 86.4 cm) to the top of the ball when dropped from a height of 78 inches (198.1 cm) onto a granite surface plate that is a minimum of 12 inches (30.5 cm) by 12 inches (30.5 cm) by 4 inches (10.2 cm). The test is to be performed at an ambient temperature of 70 degrees F plus or minus 5 degrees F.


https://usapickleball.org/docs/eec/Equipment-Standards-Manual.pdf

Everything evolves. An example is indoor vs outdoor balls. Quiet balls and paddles are now in development.

USA Pickleball Announces Quiet Category for Pickleball Products - USA Pickleball (https://usapickleball.org/news/usa-pickleball-announces-quiet-category-for-pickleball-products/)

[Altavia]

The Pickle Ball does NOT bounce low because it was DESIGNED that way.The originators of Pickle Ball just grabbed the plastic ball away from their dog Pickles. No great laboratory design.

From the horses mouth.

https://youtu.be/8qBjQceo0ig?si=y--BrFwYbalGLQA3

[Marathon Man]

I enjoy playing pickleball and I am not going to stop playing, even though there is at least one person who seems to think that I should. I like the game just the way it is, no need for changes.

[Marathon Man]

Balancing the needs of 165,000 people can't be easy....today's pickleball becomes some other activity in 5 years. But agree that development of multi-sport facilities is a priority for the developers. You can see that trend in how golf cart paths have morphed into multi-M mobile paths... Much of the facility at the new Eastport town center has been designed for multiple uses...

All of the rec centers currently being built in the far south has exactly the same single function courts as the other areas. So, I would not say that multi-use is becoming a trend.

[Topspinmo]

I COACHED a tennis team that played against Andre Agassi in high school. I played a guy from the Bollettieri Tennis Academy that a year later turned pro and was ranked in the World top 10. And I may have forgotten another downside of Pickle Ball. That the "wristy" shots involve cause too much pressure in the wrists and forearms. AND, I am NOT even close to buying that Pickle Ball is easier on the knees and ankles than tennis. I have played doubles tennis for 4 hours at a time. I doubt that I could play Pickle Ball for 4 hours in a row - without dying of boredom! I think that we could find a study somewhere made by Physicians as to whether tennis or Pickle ball causes the most injuries. In fact, I think I will try Googling that question right now.

Pickleball not racketball, should be little wrist snap in stroke. Reason pickleball causes more injuries same any other demanding sport does even golf. Not learning correct stroke, not in good physical condition, not stretching before play when been inactive for 30 plus years, and repeating the same lousy stroke. I played tennis against division 2 players 45 plus years has nothing to do with todays physical condition or level of play. When you reach the top of mountain at any level the only way down is down. I played guy that beat Johnny Mac in juniors his kick serve was above my head it I stood at base line on clay. After he beat Johnny Mac said Mac broke every racket he had, when he beat me I didn’t break my rackets cause the cost me money.

[Topspinmo]

For a "playah par excellente", your comments reflect more like someone who has never played either tennis or pickleball.

The reason PB ball does not bounce higher is by design. If the ball bounces too high, it makes it too easy for your opponents to hit a kill shot. There are actually softer balls geared toward beginners with a higher bounce (Onyx). Advanced players wouldn't go near those Onyx balls.

As a 25 year tennis player who now exclusively plays advanced PB, I can tell you that without question PB is easier on your ankles, knees and hips. I can play PB 4 hours every day with no problem, but after 1.5 hours of singles tennis I would need at least 3 days off before the next match.

Not sure what made you draw your above conclusions, but they make about as much sense as your expert opinions on EVs. :jester:

Onyx makes duralast 40 balls, onyx pure 2 balls bounce the exact same height and within gram or two of weight. Differently in plastics formula and holes. Onyx pure balls along with other brands are made of softer formula, less noise, bounce more consistently even when old, and harder to put ball away due to their design. Why most pickleball players here in villages don’t like them cause the played with lopsided, inconsistency, cracks easily dura balls. Most don’t like new dura balls cause the play differently till the get ruffed up. Another thing The pros play with who ever sponsors tournaments.

[jimjamuser]

What was going on in the 60s when the game was invented is irrelevant to today's paddles and balls. Just like the morph from wooden tennis rackets to metal to graphite and then carbon, PB paddle tech and ball tech have evolved. The balls bounce the way they do by design. If the manufacturers wanted a different bounce based on player need, I assure you, they would design them that way.
OK, I can buy that the bounce of the original dog pickle's ball has been studied scientifically in a lab. BUT, then they should (for God's sake) come up with a fix to that pathetically LOUD, LOUD IRRITATING click or clank sound. And if you are being honest, you know that people HATE to live too close to a pickle ball court because of that LOUD, obnoxious SOUND. I would rather live near a fire station because their sirens would, at least, not be continuous like the PICKLE-PRATTLE from 7:30 AM to dark.
......I would think that if manufacturers would put a few dots of rubberized material on each pickle ball that a quieter game could be developed. Also a slightly softer ball would prevent the wrist and lower arm injuries that PICKLE-PRATTLE players develop.
........I am just trying to help..........and have a little fun with it!

[jimjamuser]

Exactly

2.D.5 Bounce. The ball shall have a bounce of 30 to 34 inches (76.2 to 86.4 cm) to the top of the ball when dropped from a height of 78 inches (198.1 cm) onto a granite surface plate that is a minimum of 12 inches (30.5 cm) by 12 inches (30.5 cm) by 4 inches (10.2 cm). The test is to be performed at an ambient temperature of 70 degrees F plus or minus 5 degrees F.


https://usapickleball.org/docs/eec/Equipment-Standards-Manual.pdf

Everything evolves. An example is indoor vs outdoor balls. Quiet balls and paddles are now in development.

USA Pickleball Announces Quiet Category for Pickleball Products - USA Pickleball (https://usapickleball.org/news/usa-pickleball-announces-quiet-category-for-pickleball-products/)
Now we are on the SAME page. I agree everything evolves. I am very GLAD to know that quieter balls and paddles are in development. That might make the contact softer and then there would be fewer wrist and forearm injuries. I remember a lady at my swimming pool whose Doctor put her wrist and forearm in a cast in order to prevent her from playing EVERY DAY even as she hurt herself. She was mesmerized by the newness of the sport.
..........The next thing that should be done is to change the surface to prevent ankle and knee injuries. Up north they play pickle ball inside on basketball gyms and the floors are normally WOOD which has some give to it and should be better on the lower legs of players. They should also experiment with other outdoor surfaces like for Florida. I remember playing tennis in Idaho on a plastic like waffle tile surface that was easy on the legs AND gave a VERY true bounce.
..........Also, i don't understand why The Villages does NOT open up the High School gym and other gyms for BOTH tennis and pickle ball play. Especially during the HOT afternoon summer time when virtually no one will be playing on either tennis or pickle ball courts.
...........There, you see that tennis players can be reasonable and help out the PICKLE-PRATTLERS.

[Laker14]

Pickleball not racketball, should be little wrist snap in stroke. Reason pickleball causes more injuries same any other demanding sport does even golf. Not learning correct stroke, not in good physical condition, not stretching before play when been inactive for 30 plus years, and repeating the same lousy stroke. I played tennis against division 2 players 45 plus years has nothing to do with todays physical condition or level of play. When you reach the top of mountain at any level the only way down is down. I played guy that beat Johnny Mac in juniors his kick serve was above my head it I stood at base line on clay. After he beat Johnny Mac said Mac broke every racket he had, when he beat me I didn’t break my rackets cause the cost me money.

I am going to add one more cause for the relatively high rate of injures for PB. Long lines. A typical session is warm up (albeit 99% of players, in my estimation, give this important step short shrift), play a game, stand in line for a 5-15 minutes depending upon the crowds, and then jump immediately back into play. A recipe for injury if there ever was one.

[Topspinmo]

Now we are on the SAME page. I agree everything evolves. I am very GLAD to know that quieter balls and paddles are in development. That might make the contact softer and then there would be fewer wrist and forearm injuries. I remember a lady at my swimming pool whose Doctor put her wrist and forearm in a cast in order to prevent her from playing EVERY DAY even as she hurt herself. She was mesmerized by the newness of the sport.
..........The next thing that should be done is to change the surface to prevent ankle and knee injuries. Up north they play pickle ball inside on basketball gyms and the floors are normally WOOD which has some give to it and should be better on the lower legs of players. They should also experiment with other outdoor surfaces like for Florida. I remember playing tennis in Idaho on a plastic like waffle tile surface that was easy on the legs AND gave a VERY true bounce.
..........Also, i don't understand why The Villages does NOT open up the High School gym and other gyms for BOTH tennis and pickle ball play. Especially during the HOT afternoon summer time when virtually no one will be playing on either tennis or pickle ball courts.
...........There, you see that tennis players can be reasonable and help out the PICKLE-PRATTLERS.

Villages districts has nothing to do with school authorities. They’re NOT going to mark up boys basketball court, hard enough to keep care of surface. Besides most villagers don’t wear proper shoes when they play pickleball or tennis.

[LeRoySmith]

sand volleyball. It is MUCH harder on the legs

whew! you finally said something I agree with!:angel:

[Topspinmo]

whew! you finally said something I agree with!:angel:

Yep especially when some are over weight and may have joint issue. :undecided:

[NonaJ]

The reason you never see anyone playing platform tennis at Eisenhower is because the courts face the wrong direction. They are supposed to be repositioning the courts so they will be usable. The court surfaces there have been in bad shape too. They will definitely be used by platform tennis players when that work is completed.


QUOTE=Michigan Farmer;2315228]For the life of me I don't understand why after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild platform tennis courts at Rohan and Eisenhour they can't spend another couple of dollars to put down a NVZ line on the courts which would make them multi use. I can count on one hand the platform tennis games I've seen played at Eisenhour over the past eight years, they get more hours of pickleball play in a day month than PTwill ever get in a year.[/QUOTE]

[JMintzer]

whew! you finally said something I agree with!:angel:

You ought to do it more often! :icon_wink:

[Topspinmo]

The reason you never see anyone playing platform tennis at Eisenhower is because the courts face the wrong direction. They are supposed to be repositioning the courts so they will be usable. The court surfaces there have been in bad shape too. They will definitely be used by platform tennis players when that work is completed.


QUOTE=Michigan Farmer;2315228]For the life of me I don't understand why after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild platform tennis courts at Rohan and Eisenhour they can't spend another couple of dollars to put down a NVZ line on the courts which would make them multi use. I can count on one hand the platform tennis games I've seen played at Eisenhour over the past eight years, they get more hours of pickleball play in a day month than PTwill ever get in a year.[/QUOTE]

Wrong direction? Know how much that will cost to tear down steel do courts over in another direction? Totally waste of money IMO. But, I’m not one plucking money at will off my money tree.

[Laker14]

The reason you never see anyone playing platform tennis at Eisenhower is because the courts face the wrong direction. They are supposed to be repositioning the courts so they will be usable. The court surfaces there have been in bad shape too. They will definitely be used by platform tennis players when that work is completed.


QUOTE=Michigan Farmer;2315228]For the life of me I don't understand why after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild platform tennis courts at Rohan and Eisenhour they can't spend another couple of dollars to put down a NVZ line on the courts which would make them multi use. I can count on one hand the platform tennis games I've seen played at Eisenhour over the past eight years, they get more hours of pickleball play in a day month than PTwill ever get in a year.[/QUOTE]

What is the proper direction for the courts, and what is the issue if they are oriented in the wrong direction?

[Marathon Man]

OK, I can buy that the bounce of the original dog pickle's ball has been studied scientifically in a lab. BUT, then they should (for God's sake) come up with a fix to that pathetically LOUD, LOUD IRRITATING click or clank sound. And if you are being honest, you know that people HATE to live too close to a pickle ball court because of that LOUD, obnoxious SOUND. I would rather live near a fire station because their sirens would, at least, not be continuous like the PICKLE-PRATTLE from 7:30 AM to dark.
......I would think that if manufacturers would put a few dots of rubberized material on each pickle ball that a quieter game could be developed. Also a slightly softer ball would prevent the wrist and lower arm injuries that PICKLE-PRATTLE players develop.
........I am just trying to help..........and have a little fun with it!

I like the sound of pickleball play. It is the sound of active people enjoying themselves. It is the sound of health. It is the sound of a great retirement. I hope to hear it for many years to come.

[JMintzer]

I like the sound of pickleball play. It is the sound of active people enjoying themselves. It is the sound of health. It is the sound of a great retirement. I hope to hear it for many years to come.

That is because you are a normal human being. Unlike some who post on ToTV...

[Laker14]

I like the sound of pickleball play. It is the sound of active people enjoying themselves. It is the sound of health. It is the sound of a great retirement. I hope to hear it for many years to come.

That is because you are a normal human being. Unlike some who post on ToTV...

I agree, although when I was looking for our home to buy, I chose to avoid being too close. I'm about half-way between Allamanda and SeaBreeze, and I can barely hear the courts from that distance. I don't think I'd like to be right next door though.