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Tomptomp
04-04-2024, 08:23 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

Lottoguy
04-04-2024, 08:33 AM
Your saying exactly what I was thinking.

Shipping up to Boston
04-04-2024, 08:42 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

I hear this a lot from people that join country clubs...'why should I pay for alcohol when I don't drink'. Read the fine print before you sign up or onto anything.

dewilson58
04-04-2024, 09:00 AM
"logic".............Where??? Not seeing any.

charlieo1126@gmail.com
04-04-2024, 09:01 AM
I’ve been here off and on for 20 something years , I don’t golf or use the pools and hardly ever go to the rec centers , but I do love the flowers and the well kept up outdoor spaces and for the most part the up keep of everyone’s home . The greatness of this community is the sum of all its parts therefore keeping up the property values and making it a desirable place to live

Shipping up to Boston
04-04-2024, 09:06 AM
I’ve been here off and on for 20 something years , I don’t golf or use the pools and hardly ever go to the rec centers , but I do love the flowers and the well kept up outdoor spaces and for the most part the up keep of everyone’s home . The greatness of this community is the sum of all its parts therefore keeping up the property values and making it a desirable place to live

Excellent point

Its a golf community...a component used in sales. If you didnt want that or the upkeep to maintain it and the curb appeal, that's on you

Topspinmo
04-04-2024, 09:06 AM
IMO reason golf courses are in condition there in maintenance malpractice. Upper management heads should be fired. What’s say they won’t screw it up second or third time. IMO Somebody needs to accountable for millions each year with result that goes down hill every year.

Velvet
04-04-2024, 09:10 AM
The greens at Pimlico are a great example. Except for the first hole. They have been patched. But no one has bothered to water the new patches so it’s brown and drying. Exactly as it would in your lawn if you did not water it.

Normal
04-04-2024, 09:11 AM
Thousands of homes are where, on Villages golf courses. The whole real estate market here would implode overnight if the courses weren’t taken care of. All houses would decrease in value without the courses.

Bogie Shooter
04-04-2024, 09:25 AM
IMO reason golf courses are in condition there in maintenance malpractice. Upper management heads should be fired. What’s say they won’t screw it up second or third time. IMO Somebody needs to accountable for millions each year with result that goes down hill every year.

The greens at Pimlico are a great example. Except for the first hole. They have been patched. But no one has bothered to water the new patches so it’s brown and drying. Exactly as it would in your lawn if you did not water it.

Isn’t there another thread for these posts?

fdpaq0580
04-04-2024, 09:26 AM
Ever hear the line, "No man is an island"? No one would have anything if we didn't share the load. A society, a civilization is made up of many who share the workload, the cost of producing and providing benefits for all. If "Michael " doesn't want to share the cost of being part of the community, society, or civilization, he is welcome to drop out and live in a cave, hunt or gather his own food, make his own clothes, and be his own doctor when he becomes ill or injured. Problem is, where can he go to not be on some country's land where he can live his solitary troglodite existence? Antarctica? And how can he get there totally on his own?

Papa_lecki
04-04-2024, 09:34 AM
"logic".............Where??? Not seeing any.

It’s a letter to the editor in the online villages newspaper.

ThirdOfFive
04-04-2024, 09:35 AM
I’ve been here off and on for 20 something years , I don’t golf or use the pools and hardly ever go to the rec centers , but I do love the flowers and the well kept up outdoor spaces and for the most part the up keep of everyone’s home . The greatness of this community is the sum of all its parts therefore keeping up the property values and making it a desirable place to live
VERY well said!

Topspinmo
04-04-2024, 10:20 AM
Isn’t there another thread for these posts?

Try to keep up, it about spending additional millions on golf courses and incompetence. :wave:

dewilson58
04-04-2024, 11:50 AM
It’s a letter to the editor in the online villages newspaper.

Yes, so it.
My point was............the OP was using the letter writer's logic, which there was none. :pepper2:

Bogie Shooter
04-04-2024, 11:52 AM
Try to keep up, it about spending additional millions on golf courses and incompetence. :wave:

:what:

Maker
04-04-2024, 02:36 PM
What are the yearly amounts of money being spent is general terms?

Total $ of all amenity fees yearly, for $ collected monthly
Total $ of all maintenance fees on tax bills
Total $ collected as "rent" when groups want to use facilities.
Total $ collected from any fee based activity

Total $ spent on Golf courses, flowers, rec centers, gate systems, community watch, pools, tennis and pickle ball courts, cutting grass in public areas, rec attendants in the squares, district operations, management costs, contracted expenses (and what for), etc

Bill14564
04-04-2024, 02:42 PM
What are the yearly amounts of money being spent is general terms?

Total $ of all amenity fees yearly, for $ collected monthly
Total $ of all maintenance fees on tax bills
Total $ collected as "rent" when groups want to use facilities.
Total $ collected from any fee based activity

Total $ spent on Golf courses, flowers, rec centers, gate systems, community watch, pools, tennis and pickle ball courts, cutting grass in public areas, rec attendants in the squares, district operations, management costs, contracted expenses (and what for), etc

districtgov.org -> Departments -> Budget
Then look for SLCDD and VCCDD which is where the amenity dollars are collected and spent.

Also, the process has begun for building the budget for next year. Workshop times are available either in the District Weekly Bulletin, the Agenda links for each of the Districts, or by calling Customer Service. Attending these might provide many of the numbers you are looking for.

MrChip72
04-04-2024, 08:04 PM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why s
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend


Nothing in the squares is paid for by amenity fees. The businesses at the squares pay for all of the entertainment and staff.

Pairadocs
04-04-2024, 08:44 PM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

"On and on" for sure. Why stop there. Following that "logic" those who have no children should not pay for public schools, if you personally do not go out and drive, or walk, at night, why contribute to street lights ? No car ? Then why pay for streets and roads you don't use... but, it's "social media", what do you expect, superior intellectual analysis ? Think some times things are written only to watch the reactions of others....LOL... as an amusement perhaps ?

Pairadocs
04-04-2024, 08:50 PM
"logic".............Where??? Not seeing any.

:icon_wink::popcorn::ohdear: Yes, pure, multifaceted, unemotional, analytical "thinking".... often in short supply on "social media" platforms..LOL ! A day without social media "logic" would be a day without chuckles, a dreary world.

Shipping up to Boston
04-04-2024, 08:57 PM
:icon_wink::popcorn::ohdear: Yes, pure, multifaceted, unemotional, analytical "thinking".... often in short supply on "social media" platforms..LOL ! A day without social media "logic" would be a day without chuckles, a dreary world.

Didn’t know the TOTV ‘forum’ had entered the social media genre. So let’s see, Twitter X, Truth Social, FB, Instagram, Tik Tok.....and TOTV forum. Available on the app or in the App Store! Got it...thank you for the update

Shipping up to Boston
04-04-2024, 09:08 PM
"On and on" for sure. Why stop there. Following that "logic" those who have no children should not pay for public schools, if you personally do not go out and drive, or walk, at night, why contribute to street lights ? No car ? Then why pay for streets and roads you don't use... but, it's "social media", what do you expect, superior intellectual analysis ? Think some times things are written only to watch the reactions of others....LOL... as an amusement perhaps ?

Question....by responding to OP post, aren’t you initiating a reaction as well? Since you threw in an ‘LOL’....for ‘amusement perhaps’? Just following your logic...

Lyarham
04-05-2024, 04:27 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

Micheal should move

Rwirish
04-05-2024, 04:51 AM
I shouldn’t therefore pay for anything I don’t use! Sure makes a lot of sense - not!

Baringek
04-05-2024, 05:59 AM
Agree … it’s known when you buy-in to the community.

cherylncliff
04-05-2024, 06:12 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

So socialism is alive and well in the Villages?

Dantes
04-05-2024, 06:23 AM
Let’s not forget I don’t go Ukraine I don’t go California Expressway I don’t get $10,000 debit cards I don’t have children, but I pay school taxes

G.R.I.T.S.
04-05-2024, 07:33 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

7) Schools in which I don’t have children.

Some people are never satisfied. This was always primarily a golf community…free golf for life.

Justputt
04-05-2024, 07:39 AM
The amenities for me are living in a nice community that has all these options that I can choose to join or not at any time. Flowers are nice, grass is green (except on the golf courses :-P), sidewalks maintained, etc. Compared to many HOAs (which technically this isn't), our fee is a bargain.

SHIBUMI
04-05-2024, 07:44 AM
Yours is not to question why...............yours is to do or not........its a choice

as Spock would say.........OP is highly illogical!!!!!!!!!:jester:



Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

Vermilion Villager
04-05-2024, 07:50 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..
GREAT.....another "US vs THEM" thread :swear:

Cuervo
04-05-2024, 07:54 AM
I'm a non-golfer, other than going to the gym I don't use any of the activities available.
But I do not mind paying for the upkeep, my belief is these activities is one of the main attractions for people to want to live here.
This keeping the price of homes here at a higher value.

Dilligas
04-05-2024, 08:30 AM
IMO reason golf courses are in condition there in maintenance malpractice. Upper management heads should be fired. What’s say they won’t screw it up second or third time. IMO Somebody needs to accountable for millions each year with result that goes down hill every year.
IMO you could have the same condition next year with new faces. I guess that’s why businesses are not run on your “opinion “.

Topspinmo
04-05-2024, 08:46 AM
IMO you could have the same condition next year with new faces. I guess that’s why businesses are not run on your “opinion “.

But at least some one was held accountable.

bilcon
04-05-2024, 08:50 AM
This complaint about paying for golf courses when I don't play golf, reminds me of the old complaint when I lived up North many moons ago. "Why should I pay school taxes when I don't have any kids in school?" Dumb!

Topspinmo
04-05-2024, 09:02 AM
This complaint about paying for golf courses when I don't play golf, reminds me of the old complaint when I lived up North many moons ago. "Why should I pay school taxes when I don't have any kids in school?" Dumb!

I thought lotteries was supposed to fix public education? Public schools can NEVER have enough funded money not how that system works. :duck: same principles can be applied else where when spending someone else’s money.

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 09:02 AM
This complaint about paying for golf courses when I don't play golf, reminds me of the old complaint when I lived up North many moons ago. "Why should I pay school taxes when I don't have any kids in school?" Dumb!

Agree. Points been made several times.....

I often wonder when people go through sales presentations, tours, walk through, purchase, closing etc.....do they do so with blinders....and ear phones on? It’s like they wake up the first day and say, where did all those rolling hills and fairways come from, and more importantly, glad I’m not paying for the upkeep! Smh

Topspinmo
04-05-2024, 09:07 AM
Agree. Points been made several times.....

I often wonder when people go through sales presentations, tours, walk through, purchase, closing etc.....do they do so with blinders....and ear phones on? It’s like they wake up the first day and say, where did all those rolling hills and fairways come from, and more importantly, glad I’m not paying for the upkeep! Smh


I’m pretty sure if you’re living in villages you’re paying for it. :oops:

Mleeja
04-05-2024, 09:17 AM
One thing that bothers me is these “flame throwers” have no idea of how our local systems of government works. The CDDs vs the AAC/PWAC, etc. They blame “the developer” when they very little to do with the matter. Learn how The Villages works then direct your angst and anger to the proper person, place or thing.

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 09:54 AM
One thing that bothers me is these “flame throwers” have no idea. Of how our local systems of government works. The CDDs vs the AAC/PWAC, etc. They blame “the developer” when they very little to do with the matter. Learn how The Villages works then direct your angst and anger to the proper person, place or thing.

So let me preface with a couple of things, I’m not the complaining party and I genuinely like and respect the development group. That said...and since across the threads on any given day, people want to equate TV to a municipality. Fair. I don’t ‘blame’ the developer for anything...but be serious for a second, just like any CEO stacking a board or Mayor stacking a city council....the developer has very much to do ‘with the matter’. Recent history has shown us that they will support candidates that have similar ideas and concepts that align with their vision. Nothing wrong with it, thats the system. I also subscribe to the the theory...to the victor goes the spoils!Go Eastport!

Normal
04-05-2024, 10:05 AM
This complaint about paying for golf courses when I don't play golf, reminds me of the old complaint when I lived up North many moons ago. "Why should I pay school taxes when I don't have any kids in school?" Dumb!

I agree, but I am wondering why school taxes should be paid by an age restricted community that doesn’t have children attending. I’m in the camp that the Villages should be it’s own city.

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 10:11 AM
I agree, but I am wondering why school taxes should be paid by an age restricted community that doesn’t have children attending. I’m in the camp that the Villages should be it’s own city.

Question....is there such thing as a ‘city’, anywhere, that is incorporated ....in three separate counties and over 35+ squ. miles?

Normal
04-05-2024, 10:50 AM
Question....is there such thing as a ‘city’, anywhere, that is incorporated ....in three separate counties and over 35+ squ. miles?

Wildwood. Villagers would first need to petition or vote (either one) to dissolution. Then they would need to reincorporate. It would be easiest to do in Wildwood where Villagers outnumber non Village residents.

http://floridaleagueofcities.com/docs/default-source/CMRI/municipal-incorporations-dissolutions.pdf?sfvrsn=4

PLedoux
04-05-2024, 10:57 AM
Did you read anything before you purchased your home? Have you ever lived anywhere else? This is just the way it goes. You pay for lots of things you never use. I don’t use the playground in my neighborhood back home. But it is a benefit to my community and a selling point if I decide to sell. And on and on and on…

MrLonzo
04-05-2024, 10:58 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

On the other hand, why should someone who pays for golf and pickleball but doesn't play golf or pickleball have to pay extra for the one thing he does use, the Fitness centers? Asking for a friend...

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 10:58 AM
Wildwood. Villagers would first need to petition or vote (either one) to dissolution. Then they would need to reincorporate. It would be easiest to do in Wildwood where Villagers outnumber non Village residents.

http://floridaleagueofcities.com/docs/default-source/CMRI/municipal-incorporations-dissolutions.pdf?sfvrsn=4

Your original post was ‘The Villages should be it’s own city’. So you would agree that it’s impossible in totality...
for the reasons I stated in my response. Reincorporate or secession isn’t new and it’s always an effort. Wildwood is only one village of approx.18K residents and sits in one county...much easier/realistic path.

kschwi
04-05-2024, 11:42 AM
Well said.

Mleeja
04-05-2024, 04:07 PM
So let me preface with a couple of things, I’m not the complaining party and I genuinely like and respect the development group. That said...and since across the threads on any given day, people want to equate TV to a municipality. Fair. I don’t ‘blame’ the developer for anything...but be serious for a second, just like any CEO stacking a board or Mayor stacking a city council....the developer has very much to do ‘with the matter’. Recent history has shown us that they will support candidates that have similar ideas and concepts that align with their vision. Nothing wrong with it, thats the system. I also subscribe to the the theory...to the victor goes the spoils!Go Eastport!

I am not going to get deep in the weeds here but have a couple of points. The new CDD representatives are initially appointed by the developer. I believe (and others will tell me if I am wrong🙂) that over a seven year period they are replaced by non-partisan elected representatives. I don’t know for sure, but would be willing to bet that there are more district representatives that are “loyalists” to the HOA. The HOA is no fan of The Villages development company.

The AAC/PWAC is similar in that the members are elected by the residents. The difference here is Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter Landing development districts have a seat on the AAC and PWAC. These two commercial areas are controlled by the developer and has a person representing them on the boards. Again, at least for the AAC, there are more board members loyal to the HOA. So, I agree with you comment about to the victor goes the spoils. But in this case the victor might actually be the HOA.

margaretmattson
04-05-2024, 04:12 PM
I understand we all pay an equal amount for services and amenities. Could Michael be upset that we all continue to pay, month after month, but are seeing sad results? Someone should be held accountable for the condition of the golf courses. Michael may not want to pay others for a service they are not providing. Didn't it take a lawsuit to insist Paradise Rec Center's terrible condition be corrected? Our amenity fees are not always spent wisely. Michael may have had enough.

Robojo
04-05-2024, 06:07 PM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

I feel like there should be a swimming only pass because I don't use anything on that list except the pool and I never play golf never go to the rec centers and almost never go to the squares because everybody's so Snotty and in their own little clicks there's no point.

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 06:18 PM
I feel like there should be a swimming only pass because I don't use anything on that list except the pool and I never play golf never go to the rec centers and almost never go to the squares because everybody's so Snotty and in their own little clicks there's no point.
Oh boy....the thread just reignited. Smh

shaw8700@outlook.com
04-05-2024, 06:28 PM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..
Yea, it kinda sucks. I’d move if I were you.

Pairadocs
04-05-2024, 06:28 PM
Nothing in the squares is paid for by amenity fees. The businesses at the squares pay for all of the entertainment and staff.

For years they collected STATE money from taxes all Florida residents pay. The money (grants) were extended to various communities to support and/or stimulate Florida tourism. Perhaps this source has "dried up " and now 100% in on the retails businesses ? ? Maybe that why a lot of the shops that were once so welcomed by residents, have left ? I patronize B&N frequently, still that "old type" who likes an actual book rather than my tablet, when reading. However, each times I go to the counter to check out, I wonder how much longer they will be able to keep the doors of such a large attractive building open ?

Shipping up to Boston
04-05-2024, 06:37 PM
For years they collected STATE money from taxes all Florida residents pay. The money (grants) were extended to various communities to support and/or stimulate Florida tourism. Perhaps this source has "dried up " and now 100% in on the retails businesses ? ? Maybe that why a lot of the shops that were once so welcomed by residents, have left ? I patronize B&N frequently, still that "old type" who likes an actual book rather than my tablet, when reading. However, each times I go to the counter to check out, I wonder how much longer they will be able to keep the doors of such a large attractive building open ?

Agree on hard copy books....and newspapers.
B&N? Assuming you are talking about Barnes and Noble. It’s not a local thing....they’ve closed up across the country since pandemic. Majority of their business is running college bookstores and online purchases. They had a big footprint at one time. Not worth the high rents and infrastructure. Always enjoyed spending time there and their coffee bar....

Sandy and Ed
04-06-2024, 05:35 AM
I’ve been here off and on for 20 something years , I don’t golf or use the pools and hardly ever go to the rec centers , but I do love the flowers and the well kept up outdoor spaces and for the most part the up keep of everyone’s home . The greatness of this community is the sum of all its parts therefore keeping up the property values and making it a desirable place to live
Very well said. You may not want to, or be able to, enjoy all the amenities offered here but they are made available to you. Treat The Villages as a smorgasbord: take what your diet, allergies, tastes, appetite allows….or not

Sandy and Ed
04-06-2024, 05:41 AM
I feel like there should be a swimming only pass because I don't use anything on that list except the pool and I never play golf never go to the rec centers and almost never go to the squares because everybody's so Snotty and in their own little clicks there's no point.
Sorry. The menu here is not “ a la carte”. The Villages is more like a “Golden Corral”. (In keeping with my prior comment)

CCristella
04-06-2024, 06:12 AM
Sounds like you are unhappy
Move!

phousel
04-06-2024, 06:26 AM
The "outdoor" fitness equipment is free to use. As well as all the walking (jogging) paths.

dewilson58
04-06-2024, 07:55 AM
The "outdoor" fitness equipment is free to use. As well as all the walking (jogging) paths.

No it's not, we/I paid for it and I don't use it.

:cryin2::cryin2::cryin2:

:1rotfl:

Starpilot
04-06-2024, 07:56 AM
You moved to the current environment. It did not move to you, nor did it change.

You purchase something that was blue and later decided you like green. Should the manufacturer of the blue item be responsible to make you happy by giving you a green one?

While not to minimize your point, the masses that moved here, wanting the amenities as represented, would be injured by such a change. That would be unfair to them.

Moving is always an option. Remember, it was an unforced decision to move here, or to buy the blue item for that matter.

At the end of the day, other than our health, virtually everything boils down to economics.

I hope on balance, you are still enjoying yourself.

Singerlady
04-06-2024, 07:57 AM
Then why did you move here?

Normal
04-06-2024, 09:28 AM
Enjoy the life that buzzes around you. Even though I don’t always partake, I like everything about the place, both good and bad. It’s not a bad thing to drive by beautiful golf courses; it breaks up the monotony of house to house construction.

Normal
04-06-2024, 09:34 AM
Your original post was ‘The Villages should be it’s own city’. So you would agree that it’s impossible in totality...
for the reasons I stated in my response. Reincorporate or secession isn’t new and it’s always an effort. Wildwood is only one village of approx.18K residents and sits in one county...much easier/realistic path.

NYC is in several counties, whether we ever build up to that would remain to be seen. A start is needed just like Wildwood. No, I’m not looking for Bronx, Brooklyn or Kings, I’m just saying what is evident. My address city is The Villages, but hey just like on Miracle on 34th Street, it’s a US postal service issue…lol

Shipping up to Boston
04-06-2024, 09:43 AM
NYC is in several counties, whether we ever build up to that would remain to be seen. A start is needed just like Wildwood. No, I’m not looking for Bronx, Brooklyn or Kings, I’m just saying what is evident. My address city is The Villages, but hey just like on Miracle on 34th Street, it’s a US postal service issue…lol

If it means a decent corned beef sangwich or Brooklyn style pizza....i’ll accept that model sir!

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 10:00 AM
Well said.

Who? 😶

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 10:35 AM
Michael writes that he does not play golf, therefore he resents amenities paying for golf course repairs. Well…… using his logic why should I pay for :
1) all the rec centers I don’t visit
2) the pickle ball courts I don’t play
3) the tennis courts I don’t use
4) the employees working at the squares at night that I don’t attend
5) swimming pools I don’t play in.
6) and on and on…..

"Michael" doesn't pay for those items (directly). But he does pay the fees that he agreed to when he decided to live here and become a Villager. Amenity fees are kind of like taxes that the government collects. It goes into a big pot out of which the government pays for various things the government takes care of, like the military and equipment, infrastructure, etc. Just because "Michael" doesn't get to drive the destroyer, fly the jet fighter, or drive the tank doesn't mean "Michael" can opt out of helping to purchase or maintain the things "Michael" doesn't personally use. As a member of our society you pay your share, like it or not. As a member of TV, you pay your agreed to Amenity fee. Want to opt out of taxes or amenity fees. Moving is "Michael's" option.

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 10:45 AM
No it's not, we/I paid for it and I don't use it.

:cryin2::cryin2::cryin2:

:1rotfl:

And we thank you for your contribution, neighbor. 😘😘😘

Shipping up to Boston
04-06-2024, 10:49 AM
"Michael" doesn't pay for those items (directly). But he does pay the fees that he agreed to when he decided to live here and become a Villager. Amenity fees are kind of like taxes that the government collects. It goes into a big pot out of which the government pays for various things the government takes care of, like the military and equipment, infrastructure, etc. Just because "Michael" doesn't get to drive the destroyer, fly the jet fighter, or drive the tank doesn't mean "Michael" can opt out of helping to purchase or maintain the things "Michael" doesn't personally use. As a member of our society you pay your share, like it or not. As a member of TV, you pay your agreed to Amenity fee. Want to opt out of taxes or amenity fees. Moving is "Michael's" option.

I didn’t quite catch his name....can you repeat it!

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 11:02 AM
I agree, but I am wondering why school taxes should be paid by an age restricted community that doesn’t have children attending. I’m in the camp that the Villages should be it’s own city.

I thought we all liked The Villages when we bought here. Things seem to be pretty much still as advertised when we bought here 11 years ago. A wonderful community with lots of things available for all. But now there are some who want to turn the goose that layed our golden egg into a flock of ducks. Be careful with what you wish for.

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 11:21 AM
I didn’t quite catch his name....can you repeat it!

Michael. But he probably wouldn't mind if you called him "Mike ". I don't know him, personally. OP mentioned him in the first post. Say, you don't think OP just made him up, do you? Hmm! Wonder what OP is up to? 😶😬🤨😱

Normal
04-06-2024, 12:28 PM
I thought we all liked The Villages when we bought here. Things seem to be pretty much still as advertised when we bought here 11 years ago. A wonderful community with lots of things available for all. But now there are some who want to turn the goose that layed our golden egg into a flock of ducks. Be careful with what you wish for.

Let me ask you, when you bought your house did you remodel at all? It’s remodeling time.

Tobys Dad
04-06-2024, 12:33 PM
Why do I have to pay fir pickleball maintenance?

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 01:45 PM
Let me ask you, when you bought your house did you remodel at all? It’s remodeling time.

Took out carpet, put in tile. I get your point, but it isn't even apples vs oranges. It's more like taking your Ferrari to several custom shops and having each one customize a different part of the body, engine, suspension. Even different size wheels. Imagine, if you can, what we would end up with if various Villages seceded from The Villages and were taken over by various local townships. Now, that is a pretty ugly thought.

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 01:48 PM
Why do I have to pay fir pickleball maintenance?

Because!?

Shipping up to Boston
04-06-2024, 02:25 PM
Took out carpet, put in tile. I get your point, but it isn't even apples vs oranges. It's more like taking your Ferrari to several custom shops and having each one customize a different part of the body, engine, suspension. Even different size wheels. Imagine, if you can, what we would end up with if various Villages seceded from The Villages and were taken over by various local townships. Now, that is a pretty ugly thought.

You’re analogy sounds more like a VW Thing than a Ferrari....

Bogie Shooter
04-06-2024, 02:37 PM
Lot of click bait BS posts on this thread……………..

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 06:10 PM
You’re analogy sounds more like a VW Thing than a Ferrari....

Yeah, when you are done making the changes! The Villages are pretty great just as they are. A few minor adjustments. Don't try to reinvent the wheel.

( Actually, I loved the VW Thing. It was cute in a hideous, gremliny kind of way. ) 😈🤡👺😈

fdpaq0580
04-06-2024, 06:18 PM
Lot of click bait BS posts on this thread……………..

I 'm trying.