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manaboutown
04-21-2024, 12:49 PM
Anybody have a favorite or one they have happily owned for a few years?
I have been scrounging around, searching and found some interesting possibilities.
AMLP and JEPI are the two I am considering at present. AMLP is stated to be an index fund but has a 40% turnover? It has an expense ratio of 0.85% - which is much higher than I really want to have to go with an index fund - and comprises MLPs. The nice thing about it is it reports dividend income on a 1099. The three MLPs I currently own, all of which are significant holdings within AMLP, each send me a K-1 which my accountant needs to individually record on my 1040. It would be nice to hold a handful of MLPs and only have to deal with a single 1099.
JEPI is another matter. It is actively managed with an expense ratio of 0.35% which might be reasonable.
MplsPete
04-21-2024, 01:42 PM
Although this is not what you're asking for, I have had positive results, on a strictly dividend basis, for MANY years, with HPF, HPI, and HPS. I don't know how they do it exactly, but the interest keeps rolling in.
Currently, CDs and money markets will get 5% without much effort. I know, blah blah blah inflation . . . but I only need another 20 years or so, and most stocks I buy go down.
Stu from NYC
04-21-2024, 03:16 PM
Read Kiplingers they suggest several.
AMLP does not sound like a regular ETF. It better have a super tract record to consider such an investment.
manaboutown
04-21-2024, 03:29 PM
Although this is not what you're asking for, I have had positive results, on a strictly dividend basis, for MANY years, with HPF, HPI, and HPS. I don't know how they do it exactly, but the interest keeps rolling in.
Currently, CDs and money markets will get 5% without much effort. I know, blah blah blah inflation . . . but I only need another 20 years or so, and most stocks I buy go down.
Thank you. I checked them out. They are CEFs, The management fees run 1.21% and there are other expenses. They do pay high dividends but their five year performance seriously lags the 71% of the S&P 500. HPF's was 11.31%; HPI's was 3.37%; HPS's was 17%. Lagging the S&P 500 is of course expected of high dividend ETFs but at age 82 I am realigning my portfolio from growth to dividend stocks.
manaboutown
04-21-2024, 03:41 PM
Read Kiplingers they suggest several.
AMLP does not sound like a regular ETF. It better have a super tract record to consider such an investment.
In 2021 and 2022 I bought MLPs PAA (up 80%) and ET (almost doubled). I recently bought some MPLX, down 50 cents a share for me. They each currently pay dividends in the 7+ - 8+ percent range. Who knows if or when they will drop or rise in value. I bought them more for their dividends than any increase in value which turned out to be quite a bonus.
Anyway I am searching for relatively reliable dividend payers and believe there is more stability in ETFs than in individual company shares which is why I posted this thread.
Thank you for mentioning Kiplinger. I have some SCHD and VYM, both of which they mention in the article I found. Best Dividend ETFs to Buy Now | Kiplinger (https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/etfs/603435/best-dividend-etfs-to-buy-for-a-diversified-portfolio)
Caymus
04-21-2024, 06:29 PM
I own SCHD and VIG which due to less tech yield more but have lower overall returns than the S&P 500. My highest yield is BITO (12%) but is almost pure speculation:).
MplsPete
04-21-2024, 06:47 PM
Have you looked at the Reddit dedicated to Dividends?
manaboutown
04-21-2024, 06:53 PM
Have you looked at the Reddit dedicated to Dividends?
Thanks! I did not know of it and will check it out.
huge-pigeons
04-22-2024, 05:57 AM
Kiplinger sucks. If you look at most of their funds, they are active with a lot of them have loads. I used to read it years ago when they got the “v” shaped correction and the “inflation will be transitory” wrong, among many other things wrong. I never go with managed funds and always go with indexed funds, with low expenses ‘.02%’, low risk and return, with a good dividend and high growth. I have a few that have been returning a 20% - 30% return for a decade.
fireman
04-22-2024, 06:21 AM
I have QYLD, RYLD and EDF. All have given good Monthly Dividends and works well for me.
Cuervo
04-22-2024, 07:05 AM
I've posted this before, if all you are looking for is 5% dividends, look into online banking or credit unions.
There are no fees, the banks are FDIC insured ($250K) and credit unions are covered by NCUA ($250K).
The only thing you have to be aware of is the interest does not change, if it does it's very easy to close an account and move on.
You can sleep knowing the principal is secure no matter what the market does, and they send you a 1099 come tax time.
I personally have some money parked there, it's like a security blanket.
Boffin
04-22-2024, 07:13 AM
Anybody have a favorite or one they have happily owned for a few years?
I have been scrounging around, searching and found some interesting possibilities.
AMLP and JEPI are the two I am considering at present. AMLP is stated to be an index fund but has a 40% turnover? It has an expense ratio of 0.85% - which is much higher than I really want to have to go with an index fund - and comprises MLPs. The nice thing about it is it reports dividend income on a 1099. The three MLPs I currently own, all of which are significant holdings within AMLP, each send me a K-1 which my accountant needs to individually record on my 1040. It would be nice to hold a handful of MLPs and only have to deal with a single 1099.
JEPI is another matter. It is actively managed with an expense ratio of 0.35% which might be reasonable.
Might want to look at JAAA. Yield is 6.23%. Expense ratio is .21.
bragones
04-22-2024, 07:26 AM
I've been pleased with ANGL. Dividend in the range of 6% along with cap appreciation over the years. Expense ratio and other financial stats mostly decent.
MidWestIA
04-22-2024, 07:27 AM
JEPQ has a dividend yield of 9.49% - not seeing one for ampl
BostonRich
04-22-2024, 08:03 AM
I am heavy into both CLM and CRF:
CLM - 18.18% - Pays monthly - Reinvests below market price
CRF - 17.26% - Pays monthly - Reinvests below market price
Haven't found anything better but really haven't needed to look.
Stu from NYC
04-22-2024, 08:21 AM
Kiplinger sucks. If you look at most of their funds, they are active with a lot of them have loads. I used to read it years ago when they got the “v” shaped correction and the “inflation will be transitory” wrong, among many other things wrong. I never go with managed funds and always go with indexed funds, with low expenses ‘.02%’, low risk and return, with a good dividend and high growth. I have a few that have been returning a 20% - 30% return for a decade.
Guess your not looking at the same magazine I am.
manaboutown
04-22-2024, 09:00 AM
Thank all of you who have offered suggestions. I shall proceed to look into them!
rsmurano
04-22-2024, 03:02 PM
just for grins, I evaluated all of the funds that were mentioned in this post. 99% of them I wouldn't own them, some were disasters. Some of them did pay some higher yields but overall they weren't that great. Some of these made 15% or more the past year but weren't looking good in the future nor did the history. Go out and check them out yourselves, it's pretty easy.
My criteria: high return/low risk (some of the mentioned funds were high risk with low returns), low fees which are .1% or lower, good dividend (3% or higher), history of growth and dividend increases. low turnover, and managers have invested in their own funds (if active).
Some stats: ANGL, high risk high return, ytd return is -1.6%, 3 year return is -12%, 5 year return is -3%.
VIG pretty good overall
EDF, very bad, 3.7% expense, average return, highest risk, 3 year return -38%, 5 year return -61%
ryld is pretty bad too, .6% expense, ytd return -3%, 1 year return -11%, 3 year return -34%, 5 year return -36%
I have a few index funds that returned more than 150% over 5 years. All of them were over 60% growth over a 5 years period. If you do investing on your own, use the stock/fund screener to find these jewels. I have been in these same funds for over a decade, some over 20 years. I have gotten out of the market totally 2 times in 30 years, beginning of 2022 and 2 weeks ago. I feel it's safer to be in money market funds for a while. Getting out in 2022 and getting back in gradually over 2023 was very lucrative to say the least. Didn't need to wait to recover 30-35% loss that the market had. I hope this last pullout will see the same type of growth when I get back in. Money markets are over 5.3% right now.
bragones
04-22-2024, 04:00 PM
just for grins, I evaluated all of the funds that were mentioned in this post. 99% of them I wouldn't own them, some were disasters. Some of them did pay some higher yields but overall they weren't that great. Some of these made 15% or more the past year but weren't looking good in the future nor did the history. Go out and check them out yourselves, it's pretty easy.
My criteria: high return/low risk (some of the mentioned funds were high risk with low returns), low fees which are .1% or lower, good dividend (3% or higher), history of growth and dividend increases. low turnover, and managers have invested in their own funds (if active).
Some stats: ANGL, high risk high return, ytd return is -1.6%, 3 year return is -12%, 5 year return is -3%.
VIG pretty good overall
EDF, very bad, 3.7% expense, average return, highest risk, 3 year return -38%, 5 year return -61%
ryld is pretty bad too, .6% expense, ytd return -3%, 1 year return -11%, 3 year return -34%, 5 year return -36%
I have a few index funds that returned more than 150% over 5 years. All of them were over 60% growth over a 5 years period. If you do investing on your own, use the stock/fund screener to find these jewels. I have been in these same funds for over a decade, some over 20 years. I have gotten out of the market totally 2 times in 30 years, beginning of 2022 and 2 weeks ago. I feel it's safer to be in money market funds for a while. Getting out in 2022 and getting back in gradually over 2023 was very lucrative to say the least. Didn't need to wait to recover 30-35% loss that the market had. I hope this last pullout will see the same type of growth when I get back in. Money markets are over 5.3% right now.
Not sure where you research comes from, but I have several sources. As for ANGL, I've owned it since 2016 and I'm up just over 5% on cap appreciation on top of paying an avg 6% div annualy, paid out over a monthly period. Expense ratio is 0.25, Mornigstar is 4 stars, beta is less than 1 (lower risk). Sounds to me like you are a market timer. If you are winning long term with that strategy, you are the only one I know who has done so and I've been investing since 1979. IMHO, ANGL has been good for the income side of my portfolio. Blink and you might miss your opportunity to get back in. Good luck.
ANGL
(Total Returns)
1 year
+9.58%
3 year
+1.56%
5 year
+5.23%
10 year
+6.04%
Life
+6.85%
rsmurano
04-22-2024, 06:09 PM
I can tell you exactly what the share price of angl was 5 years ago and it was $28.91. Today it closed at $27.50, that’s not a 5% increase, it’s a $1.50 decrease, you can do the math for the %.
Even by using your stats which aren’t correct, a 6% gain over 10 years is worse than the average of 8% a year.
For comparison, 1 of my funds had a price of $200.89 5 years ago, and after the loses these past 2 weeks, the closing price today was $486.50, almost 130% gain over 5 years and this was not my best fund.
I don’t time the market, but if geopolitics or dumb things happen around us and I think we have a downturn coming, yes, I’ll go all money market until things get better. If I was still in the market these past 2 weeks, I would be down over $200k and we aren’t even close of the correction phase downturn that is occurring or the geopolitical problems being ironed out. If you think everything is going great, stay in.
bragones
04-22-2024, 07:43 PM
I can tell you exactly what the share price of angl was 5 years ago and it was $28.91. Today it closed at $27.50, that’s not a 5% increase, it’s a $1.50 decrease, you can do the math for the %.
Even by using your stats which aren’t correct, a 6% gain over 10 years is worse than the average of 8% a year.
For comparison, 1 of my funds had a price of $200.89 5 years ago, and after the loses these past 2 weeks, the closing price today was $486.50, almost 130% gain over 5 years and this was not my best fund.
I don’t time the market, but if geopolitics or dumb things happen around us and I think we have a downturn coming, yes, I’ll go all money market until things get better. If I was still in the market these past 2 weeks, I would be down over $200k and we aren’t even close of the correction phase downturn that is occurring or the geopolitical problems being ironed out. If you think everything is going great, stay in.
Total return numbers provided came from Fidelity and cross checked with Merrill Lynch, which matched closely.
This thread was a request for high yield funds. High yield funds aren’t an equal comparison to stock performance. ANGL is a portion of the fixed income assets in my portfolio. A 50 (stocks) / 30 (bonds) / 20 (cash) mix has always worked for me. Some years stocks do (much) better, some years bonds do better. ANGL has just been a good provider of consistent, fairly safe income for me since 2016. It really doesn’t matter to me what the price was on a given day, it's the averages published by data providers that are relevant.
You may be right about a forthcoming, extended correction, but that is why I hold steady income providers, cash and short-term bonds along with long term equity holdings. Rebounds often happen too quickly.
OP, I also hold JEPI and that has performed well also but the income is not as steady and Seeking Alpha has written it up as a fund that cannot sustain it’s dividend level. The fund indeed has recently had periods of lower dividends (dividends vary by month).
rsmurano
04-23-2024, 01:12 PM
If you want safety with high yield, get into money market funds. If you have $1M or more to invest, you can get 5.37% yield, less than a million, you can get 5.1%, without losing any of your base. Stay in as long as you want.
I used to get in so-called safety investments: bonds and balanced funds and I stopped doing this 20 years ago. They just don’t make enough return and they can still lose 20-30% during downturns, maybe a little bit better than stocks/funds.
manaboutown
04-23-2024, 02:03 PM
If you want safety with high yield, get into money market funds. If you have $1M or more to invest, you can get 5.37% yield, less than a million, you can get 5.1%, without losing any of your base. Stay in as long as you want.
I used to get in so-called safety investments: bonds and balanced funds and I stopped doing this 20 years ago. They just don’t make enough return and they can still lose 20-30% during downturns, maybe a little bit better than stocks/funds.
Right now 40% of my portfolio is in T-bills at Schwab and VMRXX at Vanguard.
As most of my securities are in taxable accounts I rarely trade due to friction (taxes and trading spreads). I tend to be a buy and hold investor. At this point in my life I want dividend income to replace the rental income from real estate properties I recently needed to sell as all the partners were aging out and/or dying.
Three quarters of my net worth remains in real estate investments, most of which I have held since the 1970s. It is essentially depreciated out and my basis is low. I ain't selling any more of it! Sales in 2022 and 2023 of commercial real estate properties in which I was a partner have pushed me into securities. I never spent much time on or even paid much attention to the stock market although I was lucky enough to buy a few few shares of BRK at a little over $3,000/share back in the 1980s. Happily, I hung onto it.
HandyGrandpap
04-25-2024, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the post OP,
Some interesting options presented.
Interest rates will come down most likely, now is a good time to lock in for a longer term perspective.
Amazing returns on CLM and CRF, both very interesting.
JEPI is one I will investigate further.
pgettinger01
04-30-2024, 09:40 AM
I like SVOL dividend is about 16% a year and share price is constant.
dewilson58
04-30-2024, 09:48 AM
I like SVOL dividend is about 16% a year and share price is constant.
Other than the fact it's down 20% over the last five years.
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