Spec home buyers DUE DILIGENCE QUESTION for new buyers

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Here in TV, we don't have electric hook up for our range


Appears to be a shortcut by the developer to sell a cheaper home with less basic options.

If you want to cook with a certain energy source, be sure the house has the correct energy source installed.

Many long term investments highly dependent on interest rates were caught way offsides with the latest round of interest rates, which is really a return back to a normal range. The developer, now being run by consultants as the current generation of owners don't have the same business experience as the founders, are being run with a growth and financial goals solely.. . not for quality any more or customer satisfaction. The first sign was the elimination of the custom built houses, which made this place unique and desirable for owners, just like the IKEA model.

DYDD
Due your Due Diligence

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Heard something about gas/electric stoves. An outside Realtor told me that for the houses built around Brownwood, a deal was made with the developer to make all them with electric appliances. That’s why none of them are gas. Does this sound like it could be true?

[Two Bills]

If, and when, the Bean Counters take over in any business, quality is always the first thing to suffer.
Then they start staff cuts, usually with the higher paid and most knowledgeable.
Seen it many times over my working life.

[thelegges]

Appears to be a shortcut by the developer to sell a cheaper home with less basic options.

If you want to cook with a certain energy source, be sure the house has the correct energy source installed.

Many long term investments highly dependent on interest rates were caught way offsides with the latest round of interest rates, which is really a return back to a normal range. The developer, now being run by consultants as the current generation of owners don't have the same business experience as the founders, are being run with a growth and financial goals solely.. . not for quality any more or customer satisfaction. The first sign was the elimination of the custom built houses, which made this place unique and desirable for owners, just like the IKEA model.

DYDD
Due your Due Diligence

You have zero control on spec homes, for outlets, where and how many fixtures.In fact you have very little control on build lot homes for many items, especially adding outlets and fixtures. Most is after market

[thelegges]

Heard something about gas/electric stoves. An outside Realtor told me that for the houses built around Brownwood, a deal was made with the developer to make all them with electric appliances. That’s why none of them are gas. Does this sound like it could be true?

We are in Richmond and have gas appliances and tankless hot water

[Dusty_Star]

Heard something about gas/electric stoves. An outside Realtor told me that for the houses built around Brownwood, a deal was made with the developer to make all them with electric appliances. That’s why none of them are gas. Does this sound like it could be true?

I would think that all sorts of suppliers would try to make deals with the Villages Development, & I would think that the Developer takes the best deal they can find for each. I had heard that it was a matter of gas pipeline infrastructure availability, & with the speed that the Developer puts up houses, I would go with that one. Not that gas couldn't be piped in, but that it couldn't be piped in as quickly as the Develper desired. There is gas in houses both north & south, so I wouldn't say there was much of a preference on the Developer's part.

[villagetinker]

I live in the Brownwood area, and there are NO gas lines to the houses, I am GUESSING the local gas company was not interested in the expense of installing all the infrastructure. I have neighbors that went the propane route and had large tanks installed underground.

[Carla B]

I live in the Brownwood area, and there are NO gas lines to the houses, I am GUESSING the local gas company was not interested in the expense of installing all the infrastructure. I have neighbors that went the propane route and had large tanks installed underground.

Same north of 466a. All electric in Hemingway.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

You have zero control on spec homes, for outlets, where and how many fixtures.In fact you have very little control on build lot homes for many items, especially adding outlets and fixtures. Most is after market

exactly my point, although I didn't elaborate, it was implied with the virtual elimination of the custom builds. So the spec houses can have less and less options if the developer wants to keep houses at a certain price point while costs are rising. and if you want a certain type, decide whether you want it in the build or be willing to install it yourself.

Marsh bend has both electric and gas, we chose electric and had the gas for hot water and a pipe for a gas grille next to the lanai

good luck

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I would think that all sorts of suppliers would try to make deals with the Villages Development, & I would think that the Developer takes the best deal they can find for each. I had heard that it was a matter of gas pipeline infrastructure availability, & with the speed that the Developer puts up houses, I would go with that one. Not that gas couldn't be piped in, but that it couldn't be piped in as quickly as the Develper desired. There is gas in houses both north & south, so I wouldn't say there was much of a preference on the Developer's part.
That’s the one thing that makes me not want buy there.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I live in the Brownwood area, and there are NO gas lines to the houses, I am GUESSING the local gas company was not interested in the expense of installing all the infrastructure. I have neighbors that went the propane route and had large tanks installed underground.

Isn’t that expensive?

[frayedends]

I’m surprised anyone would choose electric. I hate cooking on it. But apart from that my bias probably comes from being a Massachusetts resident where electric heat would be cost prohibitive.

[Dusty_Star]

I’m surprised anyone would choose electric. I hate cooking on it. But apart from that my bias probably comes from being a Massachusetts resident where electric heat would be cost prohibitive.

& I'm the opposite. Given a choice I would chose electric for cooking. It may be a matter of what I am used to, I know how to use it, & the reasons often cited for gas superiority are reduced if not eliminated with the right user. I have had gas for cooking & currently do have a gas grill. I can use both.

[tophcfa]

I’m surprised anyone would choose electric. I hate cooking on it. But apart from that my bias probably comes from being a Massachusetts resident where electric heat would be cost prohibitive.

Unlike Massachusetts, where so called green energy sources are jammed down ratepayers throats, electricity is refreshingly affordable in The Villages. Trust me, I know, we own a home in each location.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was a boarder in a house up north for a year after college. An old 1800's Victorian with stained glass windows and circular staircase. They had a tiny kitchen with a potbellied wood stove they used for heat in the winter. The chimney for the thing went up between each bedroom, keeping the whole house warm. But we cooked on the stove too. When we weren't using it to cook, we kept a pan of water with eucalyptus leaves in it.

On super-cold nights they would sometimes also put wood in the walk-in fireplace in the living room. Super-toasty. They had a half-cord of wood delivered every year. They had an oil tank for central heat but they kept it off most of the time.

[frayedends]

& I'm the opposite. Given a choice I would chose electric for cooking. It may be a matter of what I am used to, I know how to use it, & the reasons often cited for gas superiority are reduced if not eliminated with the right user. I have had gas for cooking & currently do have a gas grill. I can use both.

I guess I can see both. I had an apartment about 7 years ago (after divorce) with electric. I eventually got used to it. The main thing that's hard to get used to is removing a pan from the heat rather than just turning off the burner. I also warped a cast iron pan on the electric because it heated so fast. But I've been back on gas for 5 years and that's what I'm used to now.

[Topspinmo]

I prefer all electric anyway. With gas just another bill you get.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[justjim]

Had gas for many years in Illinois. However a heat pump (electric) just isn’t that efficient up north. Being all electric makes sense in Florida where you run your AC most of the time and heat your home very rarely. Electric range is fine unless maybe you are operating a restaurant. Gas grills are readily available for grilling outside. I don’t see any problem being all electric.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I’ve cooked on both, for the last 14 years it was electric. What I don’t like is how hard it is to clean the top of the electric stoves.

[MrChip72]

Our place is south of the turnpike. As far as I can tell, most (or all?) homes south of 44 are hooked up for gas stove and dryer.

I'm happy with that especially because it saves time every day, but really the cost to operate is going to be not much less compared to homes setup with electric only. Gas is more efficient, but the cost savings due to low electricity prices in Florida make it almost a toss up.

[Velvet]

I am not sure if it is the ions produced by electric heat but I dislike it everywhere. One of my nonnegotiable items was gas furnace. Electric heating literally makes me sick.

[Altavia]

Our place is south of the turnpike. As far as I can tell, most (or all?) homes south of 44 are hooked up for gas stove and dryer.

I'm happy with that especially because it saves time every day, but really the cost to operate is going to be not much less compared to homes setup with electric only. Gas is more efficient, but the cost savings due to low electricity prices in Florida make it almost a toss up.

PSA to recent buyers.

Since they run the gas in the attic through CSST gas lines, you might want to consider adding a lightening mitigation system. Several homes (1-2 per year) south of 44 have experienced minor to major fire damage from lightening striking the gas line.

There is an iron pipe in the garage wall from the meter to the attic that appears to risk acting as a lightening rod.

The process to restore a homes struck and burned takes over two years.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/weather-talk-515/lightning-strikes-villages-342082/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/gas-lines-attic-lightning-prone-areas-15552/

Flexible Gas Piping And Proper Grounding Of Flexible Gas Piping - JNR Plumbing (https://www.jnrplumbing.com/bonded-gas-lines-and-csst/)