St Augustine Grass

[Sleepyowl]

Any thoughts on St Augustine grass migrating to the neighbors Yard. Cant be the first time this is a topic .. they are complaining and the grass was here when we bought .. its grass it spreads...

[Altavia]

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[Blueblaze]

You have a neighbor who complains about your grass trespassing in their yard?

Good grief, what a jerk! I'd move!

And while I was waiting for my buyer, I'd buy your grumpy neighbor a can of Roundup and tell him to mind his own business!

[Lottoguy]

You know you read and see people like this who complain about just the littlest of things. Sure makes you wonder what their previous life was like before they retired to a more gentle life.

[John Mayes]

Any thoughts on St Augustine grass migrating to the neighbors Yard. Cant be the first time this is a topic .. they are complaining and the grass was here when we bought .. its grass it spreads...

Do you live north of 44? What grass type does your neighbor have?

[thelegges]

New build has St Aug it’s just weeds that has grass color. New pool installed, landscaper brought in 3 pallets of St Aug to replace what was dug up during build.

It looks like grass, pretty green nice blade grass. I asked him what the difference was. Smiled and said crap builder ST Aug, verses quality ST Aug. if would have known I would have had him replace the rest of the lawn.

Old St Aug sends out the creepers. New sod so far doesn’t have any creepers. Only 2 months old so may change. Our St Aug near LSL didn’t have any creepers either.

Just a side note does your neighbor have his lawn mowed by a company? If so they will bring in every lawn issue on their mowers. Neighbor should be more worried about what’s being put in his yard compared to a few creepers from yours

[Sleepyowl]

Do you live north of 44? What grass type does your neighbor have?

between the 66'S zoya I think

[coffeebean]

New build has St Aug it’s just weeds that has grass color. New pool installed, landscaper brought in 3 pallets of St Aug to replace what was dug up during build.

It looks like grass, pretty green nice blade grass. I asked him what the difference was. Smiled and said crap builder ST Aug, verses quality ST Aug. if would have known I would have had him replace the rest of the lawn.

Old St Aug sends out the creepers. New sod so far doesn’t have any creepers. Only 2 months old so may change. Our St Aug near LSL didn’t have any creepers either.

Just a side note does your neighbor have his lawn mowed by a company? If so they will bring in every lawn issue on their mowers. Neighbor should be more worried about what’s being put in his yard compared to a few creepers from yours
Where did you get the idea that St. Augustine is a weed? It most certainly is a grass. Here is an article......
St.Augustine Grass (https://aggie-hort.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/publications/staug.html)

Our property had two kinds of grass when we purchased our home in 2013; Zoisia and St. Augustine. At this point, the St. Augustine has taken over 80% of the lawn and I cannot be happier. I much prefer the St. Augustine grass. It is heartier than the Zoisia. Most importantly, the Zoisia grass tunnels under the flower beds and pops up everywhere in the flower beds. It is a royal PIA to keep that grass out of where it is not supposed to be. St. Augustine grass, OTOH, travels on top when it encroaches the flower beds. St. Augustine grass is easy peasy to keep out of the flower beds. St. Augustine also remains a deep green color all year round. The Zoisia grass turns brown in the winter months when it goes dormant.

[thelegges]

Where did you get the idea that St. Augustine is a weed? It most certainly is a grass. Here is an article......
St.Augustine Grass (https://aggie-hort.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/publications/staug.html)

Our property had two kinds of grass when we purchased our home in 2013; Zoisia and St. Augustine. At this point, the St. Augustine has taken over 80% of the lawn and I cannot be happier. I much prefer the St. Augustine grass. It is heartier than the Zoisia. Most importantly, the Zoisia grass tunnels under the flower beds and pops up everywhere in the flower beds. It is a royal PIA to keep that grass out of where it is not supposed to be. St. Augustine grass, OTOH, travels on top when it encroaches the flower beds. St. Augustine grass is easy peasy to keep out of the flower beds. St. Augustine also remains a deep green color all year round. The Zoisia grass turns brown in the winter months when it goes dormant.

When one’s yard has been Kentucky Blue Grass, that feels like walking on velvet, barefoot. Your kids and grands crawled on it, played barefoot, laying on it to watch the clouds go by.

However If you read my post the sod that the builder put down was like weeds that looked green. Nothing like our St Augustine at the other Four houses in TV.

When you look at the half of builder sod (green sparse sharp wide blade that resembles weeds) The newly installed St Augustine that looks like grass, you would make the same comment the builder sod looks like green weeds.
Your explanation is what StAugustine should look like, not what some sod looks like in some areas.

Been here since 2007 so kind of know what St Augustine should look like. We take care of our lawns so no cross contamination from lawn guys mowers.

[Blueblaze]

New build has St Aug it’s just weeds that has grass color. New pool installed, landscaper brought in 3 pallets of St Aug to replace what was dug up during build.

It looks like grass, pretty green nice blade grass. I asked him what the difference was. Smiled and said crap builder ST Aug, verses quality ST Aug. if would have known I would have had him replace the rest of the lawn.

Old St Aug sends out the creepers. New sod so far doesn’t have any creepers. Only 2 months old so may change. Our St Aug near LSL didn’t have any creepers either.

Just a side note does your neighbor have his lawn mowed by a company? If so they will bring in every lawn issue on their mowers. Neighbor should be more worried about what’s being put in his yard compared to a few creepers from yours

Well that's nonsense. Practically the only way to propagate St Augustine is the creepers. Its nearly impossible to grow from seed, which is why it is nearly a mono-culture. "Builders" St.Augustine comes from the same sod farm as "Mowers" St.Augustine.

And it's the best warm-season, low-maintenance grass you can own. Blue Grass is better, but it doesn't grow here. St Augustine grows in the shade and out-competes most of the weeds that infect it, unlike slower-growing grasses like Zoizia or Centipede. It's also fairly disease-resistant.

If you came here from Bermuda grass country, you'd appreciate the glory of a St. Augustine yard!

[ronda]

When one’s yard has been Kentucky Blue Grass, that feels like walking on velvet, barefoot. Your kids and grands crawled on it, played barefoot, laying on it to watch the clouds go by.

However If you read my post the sod that the builder put down was like weeds that looked green. Nothing like our St Augustine at the other Four houses in TV.

When you look at the half of builder sod (green sparse sharp wide blade that resembles weeds) The newly installed St Augustine that looks like grass, you would make the same comment the builder sod looks like green weeds.
Your explanation is what StAugustine should look like, not what some sod looks like in some areas.

Been here since 2007 so kind of know what St Augustine should look like. We take care of our lawns so no cross contamination from lawn guys mowers.

Any idea what the difference is? Different type of St. Augustine grass? Knowing different SA grass is "different", is good, but knowing what to look for, or specify when buying would really help.

[vintageogauge]

Each village has a particular type of grass and it is not supposed to be changed except maybe in the historic section. If your neighbor doesn't have St. Augustine one of the homes changed it at some point.

[coffeebean]

When one’s yard has been Kentucky Blue Grass, that feels like walking on velvet, barefoot. Your kids and grands crawled on it, played barefoot, laying on it to watch the clouds go by.

However If you read my post the sod that the builder put down was like weeds that looked green. Nothing like our St Augustine at the other Four houses in TV.

When you look at the half of builder sod (green sparse sharp wide blade that resembles weeds) The newly installed St Augustine that looks like grass, you would make the same comment the builder sod looks like green weeds.
Your explanation is what StAugustine should look like, not what some sod looks like in some areas.

Been here since 2007 so kind of know what St Augustine should look like. We take care of our lawns so no cross contamination from lawn guys mowers.

I know what you mean about nice soft grass to walk and lay on. My sister from NY comes to Florida and calls our grass "killer grass" because it is so much more courser than the Kentucky Blue up north. That beautiful soft carpet like grass would probably not survive the hot summers we have here in Florida.

[Southwest737]

Saint Augustine grass; aka wimpy grass. Too much water it gets fungus. Too little water it dies. Chinch bugs and grub worms take it out for dinner. It can’t handle traffic. Even can get a virus call Saint Augustine Decline (SAD) for which the cure is rip it out and replace. The only advantage is it grows in the shade.

[Altavia]

Saint Augustine grass; aka wimpy grass. Too much water it gets fungus. Too little water it dies. Chinch bugs and grub worms take it out for dinner. It can’t handle traffic. Even can get a virus call Saint Augustine Decline (SAD) for which the cure is rip it out and replace. The only advantage is it grows in the shade.

The Villages has no problems keeping it looking good in the common areas. Wish they would share what they do?

[virtualcynthia]

Did your neighbor change mowers? It could be his mower. I know Dean’s has two separate crews for the south and one for the north to avoid cross contamination.

[John Mayes]

Any idea what the difference is? Different type of St. Augustine grass? Knowing different SA grass is "different", is good, but knowing what to look for, or specify when buying would really help.

This helps to explain the different varieties of S. A.;

https://sodsolutions.com/lawn-care-guides/popular-st-augustinegrass-varieties/

[ehonour]

I can sympathize with that neighbor, because I don't care for St. Augustine. It can look good from the street, but it's coarse grass and uncomfortable to walk on. It is susceptible to bugs and diseases that Zoysia isn't. (Of course, Zoysia also has its own diseases.) I'd be disheartened if one of my neighbors changed their lawn to St. Aug, because that means it would intrude on and take over the Zoysia I've got. However, complaining to that neighbor wouldn't be worthwhile; they're free to do what they wish with their property, and there's really no feasible way to separate the two lawns.

Years ago, one of several times we moved back to Florida, we had a medium-sized dog who refused to walk on the St. Augustine. When going out into our fenced yard, the poor girl would walk within a foot of the wall where the grass was thinner, then barely go out onto the lawn to do her business. I sort of feel the same way. Don't like to do my business on a St. Augustine lawn, either. :jester:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't like any of the crap they call grass down here. There's green razor blades, dull green razor blades, and green spray paint. It's just a bunch of nasty vines that spread into everything and will shorten your hedge trimmer string by a couple inches every week. Because it's drought resistant, it tends to thrive in dry soil, making it the perfect cover for fire ants that suck the nutrition out of the soil. So you can't walk barefoot in the grass, in Florida. You'll either cut yourself on the grasses or get bitten to death by the ants.

If your neighbor has a problem with the St. Augustine grass, then plant some bitter apple vines on the edge of your property. Tell him these are much prettier and he can even keep the orange pods that grow from it.

That'll teach'im.

[chrisinva]

these topics: zoysia v. St. A grass; self maintenance v. service mowers; brown grass in winter v. green grass in winter; cinch bugs causing brown spots v. grass mysteriously dying; are all, individually and collectively, rabbitt holes! If it's green, let it be. If it's brown just wait & it'll turn green. If spots are brown or dying, wait & it'll turn green. Use your time to gaze at the birds flying & the clouds passing. You're retired & entitled to enjoy life now.

[SHIBUMI]

Where does it say you cant change the grass?????? thanks


Each village has a particular type of grass and it is not supposed to be changed except maybe in the historic section. If your neighbor doesn't have St. Augustine one of the homes changed it at some point.

[OhioBuckeye]

After living in the northwest, grass in south looks like weeds. Sorry but grass in north looks like golf courses, in south, weeds!

[John Mayes]

Where does it say you cant change the grass?????? thanks

I found this in the deed restrictions for District 13, (where I live);

[nn0wheremann]

Any thoughts on St Augustine grass migrating to the neighbors Yard. Cant be the first time this is a topic .. they are complaining and the grass was here when we bought .. its grass it spreads...
Get lo his lawn? Seriously be a good neighbor and pu in edging to stop the creeping.

[Wondering]

Any thoughts on St Augustine grass migrating to the neighbors Yard. Cant be the first time this is a topic .. they are complaining and the grass was here when we bought .. its grass it spreads...
If they don't have St. Augustine but instead they have Zoysia it's a problem. St. Augustine is a weed, not a grass. There are weed killers that you or your neighbor can use to keep it from spreading into his lawn. If you both have St. Augustine, it shouldn't be a problem.

[SHIBUMI]

thanks for the heads-up



I found this in the deed restrictions for District 13, (where I live);

[RRGuyNJ]

When one’s yard has been Kentucky Blue Grass, that feels like walking on velvet, barefoot. Your kids and grands crawled on it, played barefoot, laying on it to watch the clouds go by.

However If you read my post the sod that the builder put down was like weeds that looked green. Nothing like our St Augustine at the other Four houses in TV.

When you look at the half of builder sod (green sparse sharp wide blade that resembles weeds) The newly installed St Augustine that looks like grass, you would make the same comment the builder sod looks like green weeds.
Your explanation is what StAugustine should look like, not what some sod looks like in some areas.

Been here since 2007 so kind of know what St Augustine should look like. We take care of our lawns so no cross contamination from lawn guys mowers.

If they use crappy grass on the outside where it's for all to see, I wonder what's being used behind the walls in the new construction of homes? Kinda makes you wonder.

[thelegges]

If they use crappy grass on the outside where it's for all to see, I wonder what's being used behind the walls in the new construction of homes? Kinda makes you wonder.

Friend live in 3yo veranda's, their grass is the same weed/green St Aug as what was used at our build. The landscaper ST Aug wasn’t cheap, for really good looking sod and install. Pretty sure builder grade cost was 1/8 of what we paid

[jimjamuser]

New build has St Aug it’s just weeds that has grass color. New pool installed, landscaper brought in 3 pallets of St Aug to replace what was dug up during build.

It looks like grass, pretty green nice blade grass. I asked him what the difference was. Smiled and said crap builder ST Aug, verses quality ST Aug. if would have known I would have had him replace the rest of the lawn.

Old St Aug sends out the creepers. New sod so far doesn’t have any creepers. Only 2 months old so may change. Our St Aug near LSL didn’t have any creepers either.

Just a side note does your neighbor have his lawn mowed by a company? If so they will bring in every lawn issue on their mowers. Neighbor should be more worried about what’s being put in his yard compared to a few creepers from yours
St. Augustine grass, like any other grass. can put out pollen, which shows up all over The Villages. It is just a TOUGH grass that is everywhere. Not attractive to touch like northern grass.

[OhioBuckeye]

The only thing is the creeping seems to get under the weed barrier somehow!

[Bogie Shooter]

You all think you have a grass type problem. Wait till some Bermuda grass starts showing up. YUCK!

[jimjamuser]

Get lo his lawn? Seriously be a good neighbor and pu in edging to stop the creeping.
Or you could spray round-up on your side of the line. Then maybe they would complain about your brown spots? St. Augustine and other grasses can send out runners that go under or over bricks or blocks.

[coffeebean]

This helps to explain the different varieties of S. A.;

https://sodsolutions.com/lawn-care-guides/popular-st-augustinegrass-varieties/

I had no idea there were different types of St. Augustine. Thank you for this info.

If I had to guess, I would guess The Villages has Floratam St. Augustine? Is that the sod that is sold in Home Depot and Lowes here in The Villages?

[John Mayes]

I had no idea there were different types of St. Augustine. Thank you for this info.

If I had to guess, I would guess The Villages has Floratam St. Augustine? Is that the sod that is sold in Home Depot and Lowes here in The Villages?

South of 44 in District 13, where I live, they used ProVista SA that is glyphosate tolerant, (eg; Roundup), but according to a different thread, they may have switched to Floratam in District 14, (Dabney and Lake Denham).

I’m not sure about the areas north of 44 that have SA as the original sod but I would guess Floratam.

Looking on the Lowe’s and Home Depot websites, it shows they offer three or four different SA cultivars from two different sod farms.

[Altavia]

You all think you have a grass type problem. Wait till some Bermuda grass starts showing up. YUCK!

This will knock down the Bremuda and other grassy weeds like sand spur.

Take a rake to pull the runners up before straying.

It can (will) take several applications per the instructions.

https://a.co/d/2V2FY2N

I like this little sprayer for spot application.

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[kkingston57]

Any thoughts on St Augustine grass migrating to the neighbors Yard. Cant be the first time this is a topic .. they are complaining and the grass was here when we bought .. its grass it spreads...

If you both have St. Augustine, I would not do anything. Creepers are in that type of grass. If neighbor had Zoysia, different story.