New PGA Store

[dewilson58]

Nice store, but will it survive??

That much square footage can't survive on selling balls and gloves.

Enough consumers in the area to drive & to pay their prices??

:popcorn::popcorn:

[thelegges]

Have shopped and ordered online from PGA store for years. We were at PinchaPenny so in the area, we both Needed couple of gloves.

Store is about the same as others but very big difference is the women’s anything. Only one brand of women’s glove in 8 patterns. Small assortment of women’s golf balls.

Whoever is their buyer didn’t spend anytime near TV.
95% of clothing size was Large to XX-Small and most brands had 3-4 XX-small, 2 large with the majority sizes S-M. Only 2 XL in the whole store and that was on the sale rack $160 marked down to $95.

The 2 female employees were young and both played golf, both tall and muscular. A large for them would just fit, and both agreed women’s section needed a makeover.

It’s a new store so used demo clubs were very scarce, but all hitting mats were full. Didn’t have time to look or compare grip cost or charge. I take care of my own grips, but normally don’t buy from PGA store.

Since what we needed wasn’t available, we left and ordered online. Didn’t see many with bags leaving the store. Very disappointed compared to other PGA stores

[retiredguy123]

Have shopped and ordered online from PGA store for years. We were at PinchaPenny so in the area, we both Needed couple of gloves.

Store is about the same as others but very big difference is the women’s anything. Only one brand of women’s glove in 8 patterns. Small assortment of women’s golf balls.

Whoever is their buyer didn’t spend anytime near TV.
95% of clothing size was Large to XX-Small and most brands had 3-4 XX-small, 2 large with the majority sizes S-M. Only 2 XL in the whole store and that was on the sale rack $160 marked down to $95.

The 2 female employees were young and both played golf, both tall and muscular. A large for them would just fit, and both agreed women’s section needed a makeover.

It’s a new store so used demo clubs were very scarce, but all hitting mats were full. Didn’t have time to look or compare grip cost or charge. I take care of my own grips, but normally don’t buy from PGA store.

Since what we needed wasn’t available, we left and ordered online. Didn’t see many with bags leaving the store. Very disappointed compared to other PGA stores
Even online specialty stores cannot compete with Amazon. Almost every time I see a television ad for a specialty website, I can buy the same products on Amazon with a better selection, faster delivery, and usually a lower price. Amazon has very little competition for almost all retail products.

[BrianL99]

Nice store, but will it survive??

That much square footage can't survive on selling balls and gloves.

Enough consumers in the area to drive & to pay their prices??

:popcorn::popcorn:


I bought a new $600 driver last week. Went to the PGA Superstore. Loaded with Villagers, window shopping. I didn't see anyone at the cash register. Way too many people milling around, gawking at clubs and equipment, hardly any staff.

Went to Edwin Watts. Got great personal service and they had exactly what I wanted.

Spent 1.5 hours in the fitting booth, no charge.

Yes, added about 5 yards driving distance and improved dispersion.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I bought a new $600 driver last week. Went to the PGA Superstore. Loaded with Villagers, window shopping. I didn't see anyone at the cash register. Way too many people milling around, gawking at clubs and equipment, hardly any staff.

Went to Edwin Watts. Got great personal service and they had exactly what I wanted.

Spent 1.5 hours in the fitting booth, no charge.

Yes, added about 5 yards driving distance and improved dispersion.

Sounds like it should’ve been a pop up instead of a retail space. Poor marketing

[thelegges]

I bought a new $600 driver last week. Went to the PGA Superstore. Loaded with Villagers, window shopping. I didn't see anyone at the cash register. Way too many people milling around, gawking at clubs and equipment, hardly any staff.

Went to Edwin Watts. Got great personal service and they had exactly what I wanted.

Spent 1.5 hours in the fitting booth, no charge.

Yes, added about 5 yards driving distance and improved dispersion.

Last year had Taylormade fit at the TV golf show ( wish it was still at polo grounds) . Young lady that fitted me was hitting balls when I waked up. That 200 sign was very close for her. She was well versed in what I needed, changed to senior flex, that have been putting off for years.

$400 sale price from $550. Gained me 15-20 yards, guess I needed to slip into that senior mode sooner. Charge for fit came off the club.

[BrianL99]

Sounds like it should’ve been a pop up instead of a retail space. Poor marketing


Here's the greatest insight I ever heard in a Golf shop and evidence that this business knows and understands the customer base in The Villages.

I was in Johnny's Birdie shop one day. (He's a great guy, played the PGA Tour for a couple of years).

I'm shootin' the breeze with Johnny and lady walks in with her husband. One of Johnny's sales staff approaches the woman and says:

Staff: "Can I help you?"

Customer: "Yes please, I'm interested in some new hybrids."

Staff: "What color did you have in mind?"

[Shipping up to Boston]

Here's the greatest insight I ever heard in a Golf shop and evidence that this business knows and understands the customer base in The Villages.

I was in Johnny's Birdie shop one day. (He's a great guy, played the PGA Tour for a couple of years).

I'm shootin' the breeze with Johnny and lady walks in with her husband. One of Johnny's sales staff approaches the woman and says:

Staff: "Can I help you?"

Customer: "Yes please, I'm interested in some new hybrids."

Staff: "What color did you have in mind?"

Nailed it!

[Blueblaze]

It's awesome! I was just there the other day, to find a new putter. All the putters are arranged around a big putting green. So I picked up one of those weird Lab Golf putters and made a 20' putt, first stroke. $500. Rats! So I started checking the other prices. The cheapest used putter I could find in the store was $250. So I stopped at Johnnies Birdie Golf on the way home and found a close enough reasonable facsimile mallet putter, brand new for $100, and still felt ashamed explaining this ridiculous extravagance to my wife.

They've also got some great tee box simulators. Unfortunately, it looked to me like you had to ask someone to fit you with a new driver to use one.

Usually, we worry about big box stores putting the little guys out of business. Maybe not this time.

[JoMar]

Even online specialty stores cannot compete with Amazon. Almost every time I see a television ad for a specialty website, I can buy the same products on Amazon with a better selection, faster delivery, and usually a lower price. Amazon has very little competition for almost all retail products.

And it looks like the Justice Department will try and change that.

[Keefelane66]

FYI
“PGA TOUR Superstore is operated by Golf & Tennis Pro Shop, Inc., a subsidiary of AMB Group, LLC, which is headquartered in Metro Atlanta, Georgia. PGA TOUR Superstore remains the most comprehensive, one-stop shopping experience for golfers of all levels and budgets.”

[retiredguy123]

And it looks like the Justice Department will try and change that.
I wouldn't doubt it. Is there any company that even comes close to competing with Amazon? I have 2 deliveries today, and at least one delivery almost every day. Why leave the house to go shopping? What amazes me is that these large retailers spend millions building brick and mortar stores, and then sell the same products on Amazon.

[BrianL99]

It's awesome! I was just there the other day, to find a new putter. All the putters are arranged around a big putting green. So I picked up one of those weird Lab Golf putters and made a 20' putt, first stroke. $500. Rats! So I started checking the other prices. The cheapest used putter I could find in the store was $250. So I stopped at Johnnies Birdie Golf on the way home and found a close enough reasonable facsimile mallet putter, brand new for $100, and still felt ashamed explaining this ridiculous extravagance to my wife.

They've also got some great tee box simulators. Unfortunately, it looked to me like you had to ask someone to fit you with a new driver to use one.

Usually, we worry about big box stores putting the little guys out of business. Maybe not this time.



New Golf Equipment is essentially what used to be called "Fair Traded". There are essentially no discounts on new golf equipment, produced by the major suppliers and the all have MAP pricing. PING is about the worst to deal with from that perspective, but they're all fairly difficult.

You want a current Taylormade, Callaway or Titleist Driver, you pay MSRP, no matter where you buy it. As long as it's "current", discounts are nearly impossible to find.

[Keefelane66]

In 6 months those clubs will be obsolete with 2025 models coming out.

[BrianL99]

In 6 months those clubs will be obsolete with 2025 models coming out.

Considering there are players on the PGA Tour, gaming 4-5 year old equipment, it's unlikely that anything is going to become "obsolete".

& the model cycle for most golf equipment manufacturers, is longer than 6 months.

[UpNorth]

New Golf Equipment is essentially what used to be called "Fair Traded". There are essentially no discounts on new golf equipment, produced by the major suppliers and the all have MAP pricing. PING is about the worst to deal with from that perspective, but they're all fairly difficult.

You want a current Taylormade, Callaway or Titleist Driver, you pay MSRP, no matter where you buy it. As long as it's "current", discounts are nearly impossible to find.

I'm old enough to remember when top of the line balls and clubs were sold only in golf course pro shops. Titleist balls, Staff irons etc were never found in retailers or department stores. The manufacturers made lower grade balls and clubs for these outlets. And they used to call it "Fair Trade", but we always referred to it as "Price Fixing".

[Shipping up to Boston]

Considering there are players on the PGA Tour, gaming 4-5 year old equipment, it's unlikely that anything is going to become "obsolete".

& the model cycle for most golf equipment manufacturers, is longer than 6 months.

I still use a Francis Ouimet driver with a mahogany shaft!

[Shipping up to Boston]

I'm old enough to remember when top of the line balls and clubs were sold only in golf course pro shops. Titleist balls, Staff irons etc were never found in retailers or department stores. The manufacturers made lower grade balls and clubs for these outlets. And they used to call it "Fair Trade", but we always referred to it as "Price Fixing".

Yeah....I think fair trade is a term Starbucks uses these days for their coffee

[MrChip72]

The cheapest used putter I could find in the store was $250. So I stopped at Johnnies Birdie Golf on the way home and found a close enough reasonable facsimile mallet putter, brand new for $100, and still felt ashamed explaining this ridiculous extravagance to my wife.

I'm really surprised that anyone is trying to buy used clubs at a local store nowadays when there's a handful of very good 2nd hand golf websites where they basically have in inventory every single mass market club made in the past 5 years at a fraction of the price of new.

I've been to Johnnies. A couple years ago I didn't know any better and bought an 8 year old 3 wood for around 40% the price that it cost new.

Nowadays from these online golf resellers sites, you can get almost any 3 year old club for 30% of the new price including shipping, and often free returns.

[Rwirish]

Fantastic store, no need to go or buy elsewhere,

[dewilson58]

FYI
“PGA TOUR Superstore is operated by Golf & Tennis Pro Shop, Inc., a subsidiary of AMB Group, LLC, which is headquartered in Metro Atlanta, Georgia. ”

Arthur M. Blank.

PGA TOUR Superstore owner Arthur Blank, also the co-founder of The Home Depot and owner of the Atlanta Falcons and Atlanta United FC, .

[daveandsandy]

Nice store, but will it survive??

That much square footage can't survive on selling balls and gloves.

Enough consumers in the area to drive & to pay their prices??

:popcorn::popcorn:


It is really the perfect time to come in. Edwin Watts closed a mile a way due to the construction woes. We all know what kind of service you received there. The superstore has more than just golf. They have pickle ball and tennis as well. As far as services that they offer, I would highly recommend getting fitted by them. Most golfers buy what’s cool but not correct. Not always the arrow folks, it’s the Indian. Golf is a game of mistakes. They can help you eliminate those.

[Girlcopper]

Even online specialty stores cannot compete with Amazon. Almost every time I see a television ad for a specialty website, I can buy the same products on Amazon with a better selection, faster delivery, and usually a lower price. Amazon has very little competition for almost all retail products.
True. Amazon is fantastic. I have never not been able to get what I need and most times at a cheaper cost.

[PGApromike]

Those saying Amazon is cheaper, don't know where you are comparing your process with. Amazon is not cheaper, BUT they are quicker delivery, with customer ability to return virtually any item. I use Amazon for much of my shopping but if not in a hurry, TEMU is the cheapest by far, again, BUT you have to carefully read you aren't buying a knockoff. Golf example is you can get Golf Pride Tour Velvet grips under $3.00/grip. Takes 10 days to get to you, but many items much cheaper if not needing them tomorrow.

[dewilson58]

TEMU is the cheapest by far, again, BUT you have to carefully read you aren't buying a knockoff.

TEMU is owned by China............if you have no issue with that.

[NoMo50]

You want a current Taylormade, Callaway or Titleist Driver, you pay MSRP, no matter where you buy it. As long as it's "current", discounts are nearly impossible to find.

Not necessarily. If you go to one of the fitting days, such as Taylor Made Tuesdays, you will get 10% off any club purchase, and the fitting fee is subtracted from the price. Plus, if you are former military or law enforcement, they will give you another 10% discount.

[thelegges]

Those saying Amazon is cheaper, don't know where you are comparing your process with. Amazon is not cheaper, BUT they are quicker delivery, with customer ability to return virtually any item. I use Amazon for much of my shopping but if not in a hurry, TEMU is the cheapest by far, again, BUT you have to carefully read you aren't buying a knockoff. Golf example is you can get Golf Pride Tour Velvet grips under $3.00/grip. Takes 10 days to get to you, but many items much cheaper if not needing them tomorrow.

It’s a company that I will not buy from directly, but to each his own

[TheWarriors]

Have shopped and ordered online from PGA store for years. We were at PinchaPenny so in the area, we both Needed couple of gloves.

Store is about the same as others but very big difference is the women’s anything. Only one brand of women’s glove in 8 patterns. Small assortment of women’s golf balls.

Whoever is their buyer didn’t spend anytime near TV.
95% of clothing size was Large to XX-Small and most brands had 3-4 XX-small, 2 large with the majority sizes S-M. Only 2 XL in the whole store and that was on the sale rack $160 marked down to $95.

The 2 female employees were young and both played golf, both tall and muscular. A large for them would just fit, and both agreed women’s section needed a makeover.

It’s a new store so used demo clubs were very scarce, but all hitting mats were full. Didn’t have time to look or compare grip cost or charge. I take care of my own grips, but normally don’t buy from PGA store.

Since what we needed wasn’t available, we left and ordered online. Didn’t see many with bags leaving the store. Very disappointed compared to other PGA stores

Well not all women in the Villages are plus sized. I always laugh at the men looking over the non plus sized women while they dine with the opposite. And their companions are oblivious.

[retiredguy123]

Yeah....I think fair trade is a term Starbucks uses these days for their coffee
Fair trade? I recently bought some Starbucks K-cups for $0.69 each from Amazon. The Publix price was $1.20 each.

[Shipping up to Boston]

TEMU is owned by China............if you have no issue with that.

You mean ‘Jina!

[BrianL99]

Not necessarily. If you go to one of the fitting days, such as Taylor Made Tuesdays, you will get 10% off any club purchase, and the fitting fee is subtracted from the price. Plus, if you are former military or law enforcement, they will give you another 10% discount.

I don't believe that's correct. The Fitting Fee comes off the price, but I've never seen discounts on clubs at Villages' Fitting/Demo days.

[Cliff Fr]

Even online specialty stores cannot compete with Amazon. Almost every time I see a television ad for a specialty website, I can buy the same products on Amazon with a better selection, faster delivery, and usually a lower price. Amazon has very little competition for almost all retail products.

I don't believe in monopolies so I usually compare whats available on ebay and Amazon. If the ebay price is lower or very close I buy the product from ebay.

[dewilson58]

I don't believe in monopolies so .................

Next you're going to say, you don't believe in Santa Clause.

:shocked:

[retiredguy123]

I don't believe in monopolies so I usually compare whats available on ebay and Amazon. If the ebay price is lower or very close I buy the product from ebay.
Personally, I don't consider Ebay and Amazon comparable. I have never even seriously thought about buying anything from Ebay. Maybe I'm too old school, but I just don't trust Ebay.

A friend paid $80 to an Ebay seller for a camera, but he never got the camera. The seller's reply was that he sent it, and if he didn't get it, that's too bad.

[RUCdaze]

The store layout is terrible. When you walk in, you're surrounded by clothing - mostly women's - and you have to navigate the store to get to golf items. Other PGA Super Stores have golf balls and accessories in the front of the store to draw golfers in.

[gighilton]

I bought a new $600 driver last week. Went to the PGA Superstore. Loaded with Villagers, window shopping. I didn't see anyone at the cash register. Way too many people milling around, gawking at clubs and equipment, hardly any staff.

Went to Edwin Watts. Got great personal service and they had exactly what I wanted.

Spent 1.5 hours in the fitting booth, no charge.

Yes, added about 5 yards driving distance and improved dispersion.

IF you spent that much time in the hitting bay! They wasted your time. Or didn't know what to do with you! Reall!

[BrianL99]

I don't believe in monopolies so I usually compare whats available on ebay and Amazon. If the ebay price is lower or very close I buy the product from ebay.

An Amazon/Golf story. With some items, you just have to go to Amazon.

A couple of years ago, I was on my way to the golf course and remembered that the battery was dead in my Range Finder. I stopped at CVS on the way. I had to buy 4 batteries (they had no single packs) and it was $29. I couldn't bring myself to do it.

Stopped at a Walgreen's near the course. I could buy a pack of 2 there ... $19.95. I decided to play without my range finder! Pulled up Amazon on my phone and bought a "2 pack" for $6 and it was delivered the next day. It's hard to beat that sort of service & pricing.

It's also hard to overcome the "thriftiness" (or the aversion to getting screwed on pricing) most of us grew up with in the 50's & 60's.

[Shipping up to Boston]

An Amazon/Golf story. With some items, you just have to go to Amazon.

A couple of years ago, I was on my way to the golf course and remembered that the battery was dead in my Range Finder. I stopped at CVS on the way. I had to buy 4 batteries (they had no single packs) and it was $29. I couldn't bring myself to do it.

Stopped at a Walgreen's near the course. I could buy a pack of 2 there ... $19.95. I decided to play without my range finder! Pulled up Amazon on my phone and bought a "2 pack" for $6 and it was delivered the next day. It's hard to beat that sort of service & pricing.

It's also hard to overcome the "thriftiness" (or the aversion to getting screwed on pricing) most of us grew up with in the 50's & 60's.

Yes but...how many people died in the production of those batteries so you could exercise your thriftiness........Sorry, wrong thread! ;)

[HORNET]

Went in about a week after opening in the afternoon, not busy, but had problems on new grips installed.

[BrianL99]

IF you spent that much time in the hitting bay! They wasted your time. Or didn't know what to do with you! Reall!

When's the last time you shot under Par from the Blue Tees or broke 75 (5-10) times in a row.

Let me know and then you can tell me how much time you should spend in a hitting bay, on a launch monitor.

[Shipping up to Boston]

When's the last time you shot under Par from the Blue Tees or broke 75 (5-10) times in a row.

Let me know and then you can tell me how much time you should spend in a hitting bay, on a launch monitor.

RECEIPTS
:boom:

[Two Bills]

When's the last time you shot under Par from the Blue Tees or broke 75 (5-10) times in a row.

Let me know and then you can tell me how much time you should spend in a hitting bay, on a launch monitor.

My scorecards are very similar to yours, and I have never practiced or had a lesson
Mind you, I only play 12 holes!:)

[wamley]

Stopped in today and thought their price points for the average Village resident were high. Don't know much about the surrounding workwer family class in the area

[BrianL99]

My scorecards are very similar to yours, and I have never practiced or had a lesson
Mind you, I only play 12 holes!:)

I don't blame you. Golf should be 14 Holes max. 18 is too many for me, too.

[kkingston57]

Nice store, but will it survive??

That much square footage can't survive on selling balls and gloves.

Enough consumers in the area to drive & to pay their prices??

:popcorn::popcorn:

Prices are the same as other retailers. Problem is that clubs last a long time and people in TV(and surrounding areas) not getting any younger.

[kkingston57]

New Golf Equipment is essentially what used to be called "Fair Traded". There are essentially no discounts on new golf equipment, produced by the major suppliers and the all have MAP pricing. PING is about the worst to deal with from that perspective, but they're all fairly difficult.

You want a current Taylormade, Callaway or Titleist Driver, you pay MSRP, no matter where you buy it. As long as it's "current", discounts are nearly impossible to find.

Very true on current items. Only "deals" out there are old(er)models.

[kkingston57]

True. Amazon is fantastic. I have never not been able to get what I need and most times at a cheaper cost.

Certain items yes, but not certain brands like Titleist, Calloway, Ping etc.

[MrChip72]

TEMU is owned by China............if you have no issue with that.

TEMU isn't owned by the country of China. It's a private company based in China.

[retiredguy123]

TEMU isn't owned by the country of China. It's a private company based in China.
I wouldn't buy anything from TEMU.

[shut the front door]

Personally, I don't consider Ebay and Amazon comparable. I have never even seriously thought about buying anything from Ebay. Maybe I'm too old school, but I just don't trust Ebay.

A friend paid $80 to an Ebay seller for a camera, but he never got the camera. The seller's reply was that he sent it, and if he didn't get it, that's too bad.

Your friend is full of it. Ebay and paypal always side with the buyer. Anyone can say that they didn't receive an item (even if they did) and they will get refunded. That is why when I sell, I require a signature and/or pic.

[BrianL99]

Your friend is full of it. Ebay and paypal always side with the buyer. Anyone can say that they didn't receive an item (even if they did) and they will get refunded. That is why when I sell, I require a signature and/or pic.

Not so much anymore, in my experience. It used to be 90/10 for the buyer, but now seems less so.

[roob1]

If you as a seller have a tracking number that shows delivery, and buyer says did not receive, eBay will not hold you responsible. You don't need signatures and pics.

Your friend is full of it. Ebay and paypal always side with the buyer. Anyone can say that they didn't receive an item (even if they did) and they will get refunded. That is why when I sell, I require a signature and/or pic.

[retiredguy123]

If you as a seller have a tracking number that shows delivery, and buyer says did not receive, eBay will not hold you responsible. You don't need signatures and pics.
I would point out the this was in a condo where there were multiple mailboxes, much like The Villages. The mail person could have placed the camera in the wrong box, and the person receiving it could have kept it. Not likely to happen with Amazon because they deliver most of their products with their own trucks, especially expensive items. I would just point out that comparing Amazon to Ebay is an apple and oranges comparison. Price is not the only criteria.

[SHIBUMI]

Lee Trevino said it best............ it takes 30 days for a club to get to know you, then your hitting it just as bad as the old club!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buying new clubs is like Christmas, visions of sugar plums dancing in your head..............just fun,BUT,the 30 day rule applies....

Getting a bad swing fitted to insures a new set the next year.

Fitters don't change swings they fit to what you got. Seen hundreds of fittings.

If your swing changes your fit needs to change.

Get a better swing and your fitted equipment will last for many many years.

BUT, thats not as much fun, is it!!!!!!!!!!!!! All tour players play what they are paid to play, there is no better brand product, one from the other, they just have a swing that can hit anything thats fitted to them. As was written in the 1930's, The Swing is the thing!!!!!!!! dowap...funny people.......BUT, don't let me spoil your fun, dream on

It is really the perfect time to come in. Edwin Watts closed a mile a way due to the construction woes. We all know what kind of service you received there. The superstore has more than just golf. They have pickle ball and tennis as well. As far as services that they offer, I would highly recommend getting fitted by them. Most golfers buy what’s cool but not correct. Not always the arrow folks, it’s the Indian. Golf is a game of mistakes. They can help you eliminate those.

[BrianL99]

BUT, thats not as much fun, is it!!!!!!!!!!!!! All tour players play what they are paid to play, there is no better brand product, one from the other, they just have a swing that can hit anything thats fitted to them. As was written in the 1930's, The Swing is the thing!!!!!!!! dowap...funny people.......BUT, don't let me spoil your fun, dream on


You're saying it's the Indian and not the Arrow?

Back in the late 70's-early 80's, Bob Cousy was a member at The International. Bob was determined to milk his "name" for all it was worth. He figured he had about 10 years to do it. Manufacturers were always giving him stuff to try out, to see if they could get him hooked.

He was the first guy I ever met, to play with Shakespeare Shafts and later, his Yonex composite Driver. Every new Driver the Couz got, he said he was hitting it 30 yards farther than the one he left in his cellar. I remember thinking, "Couz, if all the Drivers you try could hit it 30 yards longer than the one before it, you'd be driving the ball 1000 yards by now". As you said, the honeymoon period wears off in about a month.

Fourtunately, Launch Monitors have changed the fitting world. You can make a head from any manufacturer, do anything any other manufacturer's head will do, with the right combination of weight, balance, shaft profile, etc. My swing isn't going to change after all these years, I just have to deal with it. Using a Launch Monitor to tune spin, launch angle & dispersion to maximize potential distance, becomes more important the older you get.

I still shake my head in amazement, that at one time, I could carry a M85 or 945 McGregor Driver and McGregor Tourney ball, 230-240 yards.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I would point out the this was in a condo where there were multiple mailboxes, much like The Villages. The mail person could have placed the camera in the wrong box, and the person receiving it could have kept it. Not likely to happen with Amazon because they deliver most of their products with their own trucks, especially expensive items. I would just point out that comparing Amazon to Ebay is an apple and oranges comparison. Price is not the only criteria.

My dealings with both have been positive. In the couple of instances where there was a delivery issue, both made me whole.

[SHIBUMI]

Good story!!!!! I believe every swing can be tweaked for the better.........there are so many avenues for improvement.. thats why tour players all have coaches..they are constantly tweaking..........when the average player stops trying to improve their swing, they become happy with where they are at, and a good fitting will benefit.
BUT, is any golfer really happy with where they are at.............I think not........don't give up on improving the Indian and if buying new clubs every year makes you happy, go for it..........next thing you know ai will improve your game............you gotta love golf marketing...........:22yikes:

You're saying it's the Indian and not the Arrow?

Back in the late 70's-early 80's, Bob Cousy was a member at The International. Bob was determined to milk his "name" for all it was worth. He figured he had about 10 years to do it. Manufacturers were always giving him stuff to try out, to see if they could get him hooked.

He was the first guy I ever met, to play with Shakespeare Shafts and later, his Yonex composite Driver. Every new Driver the Couz got, he said he was hitting it 30 yards farther than the one he left in his cellar. I remember thinking, "Couz, if all the Drivers you try could hit it 30 yards longer than the one before it, you'd be driving the ball 1000 yards by now". As you said, the honeymoon period wears off in about a month.

Fourtunately, Launch Monitors have changed the fitting world. You can make a head from any manufacturer, do anything any other manufacturer's head will do, with the right combination of weight, balance, shaft profile, etc. My swing isn't going to change after all these years, I just have to deal with it. Using a Launch Monitor to tune spin, launch angle & dispersion to maximize potential distance, becomes more important the older you get.

I still shake my head in amazement, that at one time, I could carry a M85 or 945 McGregor Driver and McGregor Tourney ball, 230-240 yards.

[Shipping up to Boston]

You're saying it's the Indian and not the Arrow?

Back in the late 70's-early 80's, Bob Cousy was a member at The International. Bob was determined to milk his "name" for all it was worth. He figured he had about 10 years to do it. Manufacturers were always giving him stuff to try out, to see if they could get him hooked.

He was the first guy I ever met, to play with Shakespeare Shafts and later, his Yonex composite Driver. Every new Driver the Couz got, he said he was hitting it 30 yards farther than the one he left in his cellar. I remember thinking, "Couz, if all the Drivers you try could hit it 30 yards longer than the one before it, you'd be driving the ball 1000 yards by now". As you said, the honeymoon period wears off in about a month.

Fourtunately, Launch Monitors have changed the fitting world. You can make a head from any manufacturer, do anything any other manufacturer's head will do, with the right combination of weight, balance, shaft profile, etc. My swing isn't going to change after all these years, I just have to deal with it. Using a Launch Monitor to tune spin, launch angle & dispersion to maximize potential distance, becomes more important the older you get.

I still shake my head in amazement, that at one time, I could carry a M85 or 945 McGregor Driver and McGregor Tourney ball, 230-240 yards.
Can you believe Cousy is 95! To me....totally underrated by lists that are compiled today at the position. Always a gentleman. Good story!

[SHIBUMI]

Many years ago, I called into the Eddie Endelman Show. Red Auerbach (not sure on spelling)..........was the guest. Red said that golf was NOT a sport..............I told Red that most normal people go by the dictionary definition.........looked up sport in dictionary and one of the examples was golf............. Red asked if I thought he wasn't normal........ I said yes! You are far from normal, meant it in a good way. He obviously didn't see golfers as athletes........I think he was a little bias........but it was the Eddie Edelman talk crap show. :p You're saying it's the Indian and not the Arrow?

Back in the late 70's-early 80's, Bob Cousy was a member at The International. Bob was determined to milk his "name" for all it was worth. He figured he had about 10 years to do it. Manufacturers were always giving him stuff to try out, to see if they could get him hooked.

He was the first guy I ever met, to play with Shakespeare Shafts and later, his Yonex composite Driver. Every new Driver the Couz got, he said he was hitting it 30 yards farther than the one he left in his cellar. I remember thinking, "Couz, if all the Drivers you try could hit it 30 yards longer than the one before it, you'd be driving the ball 1000 yards by now". As you said, the honeymoon period wears off in about a month.

Fourtunately, Launch Monitors have changed the fitting world. You can make a head from any manufacturer, do anything any other manufacturer's head will do, with the right combination of weight, balance, shaft profile, etc. My swing isn't going to change after all these years, I just have to deal with it. Using a Launch Monitor to tune spin, launch angle & dispersion to maximize potential distance, becomes more important the older you get.

I still shake my head in amazement, that at one time, I could carry a M85 or 945 McGregor Driver and McGregor Tourney ball, 230-240 yards.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Many years ago, I called into the Eddie Endelman Show. Red Auerbach (not sure on spelling)..........was the guest. Red said that golf was NOT a sport..............I told Red that most normal people go by the dictionary definition.........looked up sport in dictionary and one of the examples was golf............. Red asked if I thought he wasn't normal........ I said yes! You are far from normal, meant it in a good way. He obviously didn't see golfers as athletes........I think he was a little bias........but it was the Eddie Edelman talk crap show. :p

He’s still around (Eddie). Never was a big fan of his. Auerbach on the other hand was a master class in outsmarting and manipulating other teams. Pat Riley still sleeps with one eye open!

[retiredguy123]

If you as a seller have a tracking number that shows delivery, and buyer says did not receive, eBay will not hold you responsible. You don't need signatures and pics.
So, if the item is sent by USPS, and the mailroom employee puts the item in the wrong box, the customer may be out of luck because USPS says the item was delivered. This is what happened to my friend's camera. I don't know about Ebay, but Amazon rarely uses USPS for deliveries anymore. Most of their deliveries come to my house in an Amazon truck.

[BrianL99]

Many years ago, I called into the Eddie Endelman Show. Red Auerbach (not sure on spelling)..........was the guest. Red said that golf was NOT a sport..............I told Red that most normal people go by the dictionary definition.........looked up sport in dictionary and one of the examples was golf............. Red asked if I thought he wasn't normal........ I said yes! You are far from normal, meant it in a good way. He obviously didn't see golfers as athletes........I think he was a little bias........but it was the Eddie Edelman talk crap show. :p

If Archery and Curling were on the list, I guess golf counts.

Red was one of a kind. I never understood the whole Eddie Andleman thing, but he was popular.

[golfing eagles]

TEMU isn't owned by the country of China. It's a private company based in China.

Which by Chinese law is required to give their government any information that they want.

[dewilson58]

TEMU isn't owned by the country of China. It's a private company based in China.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Shipping up to Boston]

Which by Chinese law is required to give their government any information that they want.

Thought that was TikTok!

[thelegges]

Went in about a week after opening in the afternoon, not busy, but had problems on new grips installed.

Please explain what was wrong and did they fix it. My guess is residents will take in clubs for mostly grips. I replace my own, didn’t get a chance to look at what they offered or cost to change.

[dewilson58]

You're saying it's the Indian and not the Arrow?

Can "we" say that??

[BrianL99]

Can "we" say that??


PC Translation: User, not the tool.

[JMintzer]

Personally, I don't consider Ebay and Amazon comparable. I have never even seriously thought about buying anything from Ebay. Maybe I'm too old school, but I just don't trust Ebay.

A friend paid $80 to an Ebay seller for a camera, but he never got the camera. The seller's reply was that he sent it, and if he didn't get it, that's too bad.

EBay has substantial "buyer protection"...

[kkingston57]

The store layout is terrible. When you walk in, you're surrounded by clothing - mostly women's - and you have to navigate the store to get to golf items. Other PGA Super Stores have golf balls and accessories in the front of the store to draw golfers in.

Bet they make more money on the ladies clothes on a % basis. Not much mark up on golf clubs

[laboutj]

I just left the store about an hour ago, my first time there. Club prices are in line with other stores (Golf Central, Edwin Watts), nice selection of clothes. The peripheral stuff (golf balls, gloves) are very overpriced, imo, compared to the stores mentioned in the previous sentence. I wouldn't go back unless I was already headed to Total Wines.

[MrChip72]

Which by Chinese law is required to give their government any information that they want.

I'm pretty sure the United States government does the same thing under "Homeland Security".

[dewilson58]

I just left the store about an hour ago, my first time there. Club prices are in line with other stores (Golf Central, Edwin Watts), nice selection of clothes. The peripheral stuff (golf balls, gloves) are very overpriced, imo, compared to the stores mentioned in the previous sentence. I wouldn't go back unless I was already headed to Total Wines.

Fixed by manufacturer.