Are you doing anything for the solar events this weekend?

[Taltarzac725]

I unplugged a few things in anticipation of the solar events tonight but have no idea if this even necessary so far south.

Unplugged stuff with computer chips and will do the same with this tablet later tonight. Also toggled some of the power circuits to off.

I live here in the Villages but have met a lot of people who one down from Michigan, Montana, Toronto and others places north.

[Keefelane66]

The solar event isn't going to last one evening it will happen during daylight too. The Aurora Borealis isn't visible during daylight hours.

[golfing eagles]

I unplugged a few things in anticipation of the solar events tonight but have no idea if this even necessary so far south.

Unplugged stuff with computer chips and will do the same with this tablet later tonight. Also toggled some of the power circuits to off.

I live here in the Villages but have met a lot of people who one down from Michigan, Montana, Toronto and others places north.

I haven't seen any official announcements suggesting that anybody do anything of the sort. have you? If so, where?

Not my field of expertise, but I would think that solar activity that would affect your computer and electrical panel would also shut down your car, appliances, and more importantly the power grid. I guess we'll find out in our experiment---your "stuff' is shut down, mine will remain on.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Agree
Nothing to see here. Usually there is some big hype (like the eclipse) all over the cycles. Business as usual.

[Kelevision]

The solar event isn't going to last one evening it will happen during daylight too. The Aurora Borealis isn't visible during daylight hours.

I just watched the news where people saw the aurora all the way down in south florida last night.

[thelegges]

Granddaughter sent us pics from our house in MI. She live streamed to her uncle that lived in Fairbanks. He was Pretty impressed with the show, from MI.

His stream from SC wasn’t as bright but very visible.
Youngest in Louisville, had some views, but cloud cover and didn’t travel far enough from city lights

[fdpaq0580]

I think that I'll have another cup of coffee and a berry muffin. 😴

[Two Bills]

Amazing Northern Lights display in UK last night, right down to South coast.
Extremely rare occurrence in Southern Britain.

[Taltarzac725]

Amazing Northern Lights display in UK last night, right down to South coast.
Extremely rare occurrence in Southern Britain.

Sounds cool. South Florida had some Northern Lights but this was by the coast. We need to be away from the city lights to see anything.

[MrFlorida]

I remember Y2K, a big nothing burger !

[fdpaq0580]

I remember Y2K, a big nothing burger !

Makes me want to party like it's 1999. Got a lion in my pocket, and, sorry but he's fast asleep.

[bobeaston]

Nothing to do. The strongest part happened 2 days ago. Adverse effects, mostly communications via radio, are already waning. Yes, the auroras will be visible further south than normal for a few more days, but there's no need to worry about power grid, appliances, etc. Those are just scare stories by news readers.

Find actual details at Space Weather by SolarHam (https://solarham.com/index.htm)

[TheWatcher]

Nothing to do. The strongest part happened 2 days ago. Adverse effects, mostly communications via radio...

Find actual details at Space Weather by SolarHam (https://solarham.com/index htm)

'bobeaston' is mostly correct. The initial solar flare (flares in this case) are electromagnetic radiation that travel the 93 million miles from the Sun to Earth in about 8 and 1/3 minutes causing additional ionization and enhanced absorption of the electromagnetic (EM) waves in the ionosphere leading to partial or even total radio fade-outs on the Sun facing side of Earth. It takes 2-3 days for the particulate matter to travel the distance to the Earth's magnetosphere to affect it (if there is a mass ejection directed to Earth) and cause the visual phenomena we see as the Aurora which can also cause electrical disruptions on the ground.

This was a defining storm as it had characteristics of the one that caused all the electrical disruptions of the great solar event of September 1, 1859 called 'the Carrington event'.

The Carrington Event: History's greatest solar storm | Space (https://www.space.com/the-carrington-event)

Did not see any reports of problems like then happening now thank goodness.

Here is another site for space weather info. Look for the graphic showing the Auroral circle.

SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids (https://www.spaceweather.com/)

BTW, you can still see the sunspot that caused all this activity. Get out your eclipse glasses and take a look before it rotates out of sight. It is shown on the SpaceWeather.com page. It is huge, you cannot miss it.

[Windguy]

I remember Y2K, a big nothing burger !

Good thing the world spent billions of dollars fixing software and replacing outdated computers to avoid the disaster that would have happened otherwise.

[sowilts]

I unplugged a few things in anticipation of the solar events tonight but have no idea if this even necessary so far south.

Unplugged stuff with computer chips and will do the same with this tablet later tonight. Also toggled some of the power circuits to off.

I live here in the Villages but have met a lot of people who one down from Michigan, Montana, Toronto and others places north.
Experienced them when stationed At RAF Chicksands. We just transferred Morse to San Vito. Provided some down time.

[MrFlorida]

Good thing the world spent billions of dollars fixing software and replacing outdated computers to avoid the disaster that would have happened otherwise.

Wasted money is right, nothing happened. Just another government hoax.

[Windguy]

Wasted money is right, nothing happened. Just another government hoax.

Apparently, you didn’t get my post. Nothing happened because we stepped off the track before the train ran us over. The disaster WOULD have happened if we hadn’t put an incredible amount of effort into avoiding it. This was a great example of people working together to avoid a disaster. This wasn’t an example of a boy crying wolf to get attention—there really was a wolf stalking the sheep.

[Steve]

I unplugged a few things in anticipation of the solar events tonight but have no idea if this even necessary so far south.

Unplugged stuff with computer chips and will do the same with this tablet later tonight. Also toggled some of the power circuits to off.

I live here in the Villages but have met a lot of people who one down from Michigan, Montana, Toronto and others places north.

We did something interesting this past weekend regarding the solar flares. We went about our business and ignored it!! We survived!!!

[golfing eagles]

Apparently, you didn’t get my post. Nothing happened because we stepped off the track before the train ran us over. The disaster WOULD have happened if we hadn’t put an incredible amount of effort into avoiding it. This was a great example of people working together to avoid a disaster. This wasn’t an example of a boy crying wolf to get attention—there really was a wolf stalking the sheep.

And the PROOF that the so called Y2K disaster would have occurred is........?????
Oh, wait, it's impossible to prove a negative that didn't happen

[Windguy]

And the PROOF that the so called Y2K disaster would have occurred is........?????
Oh, wait, it's impossible to prove a negative that didn't happen

Do you have any idea what needed fixing? The old software and hardware encoded the year as just two digits in order to save on the outrageously expensive storage we had at the time. Remember, the software was written in the 60s and 70s when the computers had less processing power and storage than the most trivial of devices we use today. Think about your USB charging brick! Most modern computers come with a million(!) times as much memory as those old computers. Every byte was precious.

So, the software was written in a way that when you wanted to see how much time had passed since something (say, a bank deposit) had happened and just subtracted the two 2-digit numbers. Now, suppose it’s 2020. The date would be encoded as “00” and if your deposit was made in 1990, the time elapsed would have been computed to be -10 years! The software had no way to deal with that and would have crashed.

I’m sure the programmers realized that eventually the software would need to be rewritten, but they knew it would be decades away and the future could deal with it. So, in the late 90s, people saw the train coming towards us and decided to see how big the problem was. They searched virtually all hardware and software to see where years were encoded as two digits and found that it was a HUGE problem.

An additional problem was that the old finance software was usually written in one of the earliest of programming languages, which was called COBOL. Most programmers today write in much newer languages and most of the old COBOL programmers were retired or dead by the end of the 20th Century. It was a struggle getting knowledgeable folks to fix all the problems.

And what did the people, businesses, and government agencies who took on this monumental task get for their long, hard hours and billions of dollars get for their effort? Nothing but derision from the ignorant masses because they actually succeeded in moving that train that was barreling down on us to another track and the disaster was avoided.

If they hadn’t made the effort, people would have screamed bloody murder because they couldn’t get their money out of the bank because the software thought that they wouldn’t actually deposit their money for almost a century even though they made their deposits in the 1990s. People would have insisted heads should roll for not doing something about it.

These people were heroes and should be lauded instead of called cheats and liars. Shame, shame on those ignorant conspiracy nuts who make fun of them.

[mbene]

I remember Y2K, a big nothing burger !

I had a great Y2K. About a dozen people went to my brother's cabin in northern Michigan for New Years. At midnight, with everyone watching the ball drop and yelling out the countdown, when we got to 3 the TV shut off. Total silence. Everyone just looked around at each other, then someone noticed I had the remote in my hand. Best time ever!

[golfing eagles]

Do you have any idea what needed fixing? The old software and hardware encoded the year as just two digits in order to save on the outrageously expensive storage we had at the time. Remember, the software was written in the 60s and 70s when the computers had less processing power and storage than the most trivial of devices we use today. Think about your USB charging brick! Most modern computers come with a million(!) times as much memory as those old computers. Every byte was precious.

So, the software was written in a way that when you wanted to see how much time had passed since something (say, a bank deposit) had happened and just subtracted the two 2-digit numbers. Now, suppose it’s 2020. The date would be encoded as “00” and if your deposit was made in 1990, the time elapsed would have been computed to be -10 years! The software had no way to deal with that and would have crashed.

I’m sure the programmers realized that eventually the software would need to be rewritten, but they knew it would be decades away and the future could deal with it. So, in the late 90s, people saw the train coming towards us and decided to see how big the problem was. They searched virtually all hardware and software to see where years were encoded as two digits and found that it was a HUGE problem.

An additional problem was that the old finance software was usually written in one of the earliest of programming languages, which was called COBOL. Most programmers today write in much newer languages and most of the old COBOL programmers were retired or dead by the end of the 20th Century. It was a struggle getting knowledgeable folks to fix all the problems.

And what did the people, businesses, and government agencies who took on this monumental task get for their long, hard hours and billions of dollars get for their effort? Nothing but derision from the ignorant masses because they actually succeeded in moving that train that was barreling down on us to another track and the disaster was avoided.

If they hadn’t made the effort, people would have screamed bloody murder because they couldn’t get their money out of the bank because the software thought that they wouldn’t actually deposit their money for almost a century even though they made their deposits in the 1990s. People would have insisted heads should roll for not doing something about it.

These people were heroes and should be lauded instead of called cheats and liars. Shame, shame on those ignorant conspiracy nuts who make fun of them.

Everything you posted is quite reasonable. And it was possible that a potential disaster was averted by early actions taken. My only point is that we have no idea what, and to what extent, anything would have happened if we did nothing. Disaster???? Nothing????? It's all speculation.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Do you have any idea what needed fixing? The old software and hardware encoded the year as just two digits in order to save on the outrageously expensive storage we had at the time. Remember, the software was written in the 60s and 70s when the computers had less processing power and storage than the most trivial of devices we use today. Think about your USB charging brick! Most modern computers come with a million(!) times as much memory as those old computers. Every byte was precious.

So, the software was written in a way that when you wanted to see how much time had passed since something (say, a bank deposit) had happened and just subtracted the two 2-digit numbers. Now, suppose it’s 2020. The date would be encoded as “00” and if your deposit was made in 1990, the time elapsed would have been computed to be -10 years! The software had no way to deal with that and would have crashed.

I’m sure the programmers realized that eventually the software would need to be rewritten, but they knew it would be decades away and the future could deal with it. So, in the late 90s, people saw the train coming towards us and decided to see how big the problem was. They searched virtually all hardware and software to see where years were encoded as two digits and found that it was a HUGE problem.

An additional problem was that the old finance software was usually written in one of the earliest of programming languages, which was called COBOL. Most programmers today write in much newer languages and most of the old COBOL programmers were retired or dead by the end of the 20th Century. It was a struggle getting knowledgeable folks to fix all the problems.

And what did the people, businesses, and government agencies who took on this monumental task get for their long, hard hours and billions of dollars get for their effort? Nothing but derision from the ignorant masses because they actually succeeded in moving that train that was barreling down on us to another track and the disaster was avoided.

If they hadn’t made the effort, people would have screamed bloody murder because they couldn’t get their money out of the bank because the software thought that they wouldn’t actually deposit their money for almost a century even though they made their deposits in the 1990s. People would have insisted heads should roll for not doing something about it.

These people were heroes and should be lauded instead of called cheats and liars. Shame, shame on those ignorant conspiracy nuts who make fun of them.

Don’t disagree with most of your post. I will take exception to calling the ‘programmers’....’heroes’.
In my world that would be reserved for military personnel serving in forward areas, frontline public safety, nurses etc. What you’ve described is someone....doing their job. Was it exemplary, impressive and dedicated? Absolutely
But the term ‘heroes’ doesn’t apply. Unless they did it while running into a burning building when everyone else was running out. Otherwise, I agree with most of your post

[Windguy]

Everything you posted is quite reasonable. And it was possible that a potential disaster was averted by early actions taken. My only point is that we have no idea what, and to what extent, anything would have happened if we did nothing. Disaster???? Nothing????? It's all speculation.

YOU have no idea what would have happened because you are ignorant about how software works. Those of us who worked the problem were VERY aware of what was wrong. We knew! And, no, no one got any extra money to fix the software, although some of the programmers at my lab got modest bonuses for putting in long, unpaid hours. The small bonuses were probably equivalent to pennies per hour for all that stressful work. This was not a money grab.

[Windguy]

Don’t disagree with most of your post. I will take exception to calling the ‘programmers’....’heroes’.
In my world that would be reserved for military personnel serving in forward areas, frontline public safety, nurses etc. What you’ve described is someone....doing their job. Was it exemplary, impressive and dedicated? Absolutely
But the term ‘heroes’ doesn’t apply. Unless they did it while running into a burning building when everyone else was running out. Otherwise, I agree with most of your post

To me, a hero is someone who saves the day whether they risk their lives or not.

And, all those warriors, nurses, fire fighters, etc. are just doing their job, too. They knew what they were getting in to before they signed up. Most of the programmers did not, except for those hired to do the job.

People who worked late and on weekends made the sacrifice of being away from their families. One could say that they did risk their lives (or at least well being) by suffering from unbearable stress.

[Taltarzac725]

Do you have any idea what needed fixing? The old software and hardware encoded the year as just two digits in order to save on the outrageously expensive storage we had at the time. Remember, the software was written in the 60s and 70s when the computers had less processing power and storage than the most trivial of devices we use today. Think about your USB charging brick! Most modern computers come with a million(!) times as much memory as those old computers. Every byte was precious.

So, the software was written in a way that when you wanted to see how much time had passed since something (say, a bank deposit) had happened and just subtracted the two 2-digit numbers. Now, suppose it’s 2020. The date would be encoded as “00” and if your deposit was made in 1990, the time elapsed would have been computed to be -10 years! The software had no way to deal with that and would have crashed.

I’m sure the programmers realized that eventually the software would need to be rewritten, but they knew it would be decades away and the future could deal with it. So, in the late 90s, people saw the train coming towards us and decided to see how big the problem was. They searched virtually all hardware and software to see where years were encoded as two digits and found that it was a HUGE problem.

An additional problem was that the old finance software was usually written in one of the earliest of programming languages, which was called COBOL. Most programmers today write in much newer languages and most of the old COBOL programmers were retired or dead by the end of the 20th Century. It was a struggle getting knowledgeable folks to fix all the problems.

And what did the people, businesses, and government agencies who took on this monumental task get for their long, hard hours and billions of dollars get for their effort? Nothing but derision from the ignorant masses because they actually succeeded in moving that train that was barreling down on us to another track and the disaster was avoided.

If they hadn’t made the effort, people would have screamed bloody murder because they couldn’t get their money out of the bank because the software thought that they wouldn’t actually deposit their money for almost a century even though they made their deposits in the 1990s. People would have insisted heads should roll for not doing something about it.

These people were heroes and should be lauded instead of called cheats and liars. Shame, shame on those ignorant conspiracy nuts who make fun of them.

Thanks for posting that.


There are very real conspiracies but the 2024 solar flares and Y2K were not. The Y2K threat was very real.

[Shipping up to Boston]

To me, a hero is someone who saves the day whether they risk their lives or not.

And, all those warriors, nurses, fire fighters, etc. are just doing their job, too. They knew what they were getting in to before they signed up. Most of the programmers did not, except for those hired to do the job.

People who worked late and on weekends made the sacrifice of being away from their families. One could say that they did risk their lives (or at least well being) by suffering from unbearable stress.

I respect your interpretation....we just disagree.

[golfing eagles]

YOU have no idea what would have happened because you are ignorant about how software works. Those of us who worked the problem were VERY aware of what was wrong. We knew! And, no, no one got any extra money to fix the software, although some of the programmers at my lab got modest bonuses for putting in long, unpaid hours. The small bonuses were probably equivalent to pennies per hour for all that stressful work. This was not a money grab.

Yep, I’m “ignorant” about how software works 😂😂😂. That’s what it states on my MSCE certificate.

[TheWatcher]

Seems this thread diverged from effects caused by a beautiful natural phenomena and any untoward reprocusions on Earth into a back and forth about a man caused countdown to y2k.

Again, the sun has cycles and is currently increasing in activity. There were multiple powerful flares causing multiple CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections) directed at the earth. The initial strike of radiation (mins) increased the ionospheric ionization on the Sunlit side causing radio blackouts (HF radio, gps inacuracies, risk to astronauts, polar airline flights, etc). Thankfully, Earth has a powerful magnetospere and when the particles reach the Earth in days, they are directed along the magnetic fields toward the poles creating the Aurora phenomena as they strike the atmosphere.The glow is the different molecules they strike. Red and green are oxygen, purple, blue or pink are caused by nitrogen. If the CME's are more powerful large currents are induced in the Earth's surface and consequently, power lines, and other long electrical pathways if the magnetic Space and Earth fields are aligned. Fascinating stuff.

Spaceweather.com Time Machine (https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=09&month=05&year=2024)

And:

Spaceweather.com Time Machine (https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=11&month=05&year=2024)

Last big one was October 29 and 30, 2003. My son and I were fortunate to be in the darkest sky on the East coast, Cherry Spings Park, PA, during the yearly Astronomy Club's Star Party. What a treat. Tried to call my wife near Phila but the cell phones were not as reliable then and the event worsened communication.

Just a moment... (https://darksky.org/places/cherry-springs-state-park-dark-sky-park/)

I already posted the first recognized flare, CME, Aurora, and ground effects event that was recognized as connecting this from the Sun to the Earth by Carrington:

The Carrington Event: History's greatest solar storm | Space (https://www.space.com/the-carrington-event)

It induced large currents in the telegraph equipment of the time since lines acted like large antennas/inductors.

The one we saw in 2003 was noted at the spacewearher site:

Spaceweather.com Time Machine (https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=29&month=10&year=2003)

These events happen all the time on a smaller scale. The one we just witnessed is estimated as a 1 in 500 year event.

[Stu from NYC]

We were in Ga this past weekend and lots of people thought we would see it but alas not to be

[TheWatcher]

We were in Ga this past weekend and lots of people thought we would see it but alas not to be

Evening of Friday the 10th into Saturday morning were the main days.

[Stu from NYC]

Evening of Friday the 10th into Saturday morning were the main days.

Didnt happen where my son lives

[JMintzer]

Yep, I’m “ignorant” about how software works 😂😂😂. That’s what it states on my MSCE certificate.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/UBwavZVvFvkAAAAC/burn-oh.gif

[TheWatcher]

Didnt happen where my son lives

Does he live far south or in a city? This was as widespread as it gets but still a luck of the draw thing.

[dhdallas]

Are you going to wear a tin foil hat too?

[Stu from NYC]

Does he live far south or in a city? This was as widespread as it gets but still a luck of the draw thing.

Lives in Smyrna. Friday and Saturday nights were pretty clear so we had hope

[fdpaq0580]

Wasted money is right, nothing happened. Just another government hoax.

So. If there is a real potential problem but it is fixed before it becomes a problem, is that the definition of a hoax? You know, like replacing the worn out tires before you have a blow out? Or getting polio vaccine before you get polio. So, if I never had a blow out or polio, those were hoaxes, and the tires were just fine and I never would have had polio. Wow! I wonder if the fuel guage in my car is a hoax that the fuel companies had car manufacturers put in to fool us into buying gas when we don't have to. Well, I won't be fooled again. 🤠 Thanks!

[TheWatcher]

Lives in Smyrna. Friday and Saturday nights were pretty clear so we had hope

I was in Cornwall, PA. Friday and Saturday were cloudy at night. Did not see a thing. Family near Philly caught a small break in clouds, saw nothing with naked eye but captured a glow on an iPhone in a night mode pic. Another in Danville, VA had a good view. Here are some pics if you missed it. There are some good ones from Florida and Puerto Rico in local Floridian news sources.

Spaceweather.com Realtime Image Gallery (https://spaceweathergallery2.com/index.php?title=aurora)

There is still an HF radio blackout from protons arriving via the Parker Spiral magnetic connection from the Sun to Earth from the same sunspot:

Spaceweather.com Time Machine (https://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=14&month=05&year=2024)

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