Lack of Air Conditioning in Spanish Springs Lanes

[Dotneko]

This has been going on for weeks now. The air conditioning isnt working.
Its hotter than heck in there - even worse when you are exercising.
Management claims the reason is lack of a crane to lift the a/c units onto the roof. There are plenty of cranes lifting trusses onto new homes south of 44. It seems clear where the Villages
priorities lie.

[Bill14564]

This has been going on for weeks now. The air conditioning isnt working.
Its hotter than heck in there - even worse when you are exercising.
Management claims the reason is lack of a crane to lift the a/c units onto the roof. There are plenty of cranes lifting trusses onto new homes south of 44. It seems clear where the Villages
priorities lie.

Even if it was as simple as just driving the cranes 20 miles up the road, why would the contractor want to put himself behind schedule to do that?

[David114]

Both bowling alleys in The Villages are now owned by Bowlero, a large nationwide company with over 300 centers, nothing to do with The Villages ownership or management

[Bogie Shooter]

Both bowling alleys in The Villages are now owned by Bowlero, a large nationwide company with over 300 centers, nothing to do with The Villages ownership or management


:boom:

[Topspinmo]

Both bowling alleys in The Villages are now owned by Bowlero, a large nationwide company with over 300 centers, nothing to do with The Villages ownership or management


But, who owns building?

[Dotneko]

Both bowling alleys in The Villages are now owned by Bowlero, a large nationwide company with over 300 centers, nothing to do with The Villages ownership or management

Interesting - when I inquired, I was told that the Villages Properties was the landlord and they were responsible for the maintenance of their building. The Management of the bowling alleys was taken over by Bowlero, not the actual real estate.

[David114]

That too is interesting. Among serious league bowlers, Bowlero nationwide has a pretty poor reputation, recreational bowlers may have a different opinion, they are generally considered Bowlero’s focus, right or wrong. . In Spanish Springs & Fiesta, Bowlero has put in a lot of money into improvements, new floors, lanes etc, but the building infrastructure, air conditioning etc may or maybe not up to Bowlero. I don’t know about that

[Dotneko]

That too is interesting. Among serious league bowlers, Bowlero nationwide has a pretty poor reputation, recreational bowlers may have a different opinion, they are generally considered Bowlero’s focus, right or wrong. . In Spanish Springs & Fiesta, Bowlero has put in a lot of money into improvements, new floors, lanes etc, but the building infrastructure, air conditioning etc may or maybe not up to Bowlero. I don’t know about that

I only know what i was told lol. I was hoping for a new golf cart accessible lane down in the south. Bowlero is the only game in town if you want to travel by cart.

[JMintzer]

Interesting - when I inquired, I was told that the Villages Properties was the landlord and they were responsible for the maintenance of their building. The Management of the bowling alleys was taken over by Bowlero, not the actual real estate.

:boom::boom::1rotfl:

[dhsmith]

On most commercial leases the tenant pays for everything, insurance,rent,taxes and building maintenance. That’s the way my commercial lease is.

[Stu from NYC]

Somebody is losing quite a bit of money over this

[Marathon Man]

This has been going on for weeks now. The air conditioning isnt working.
Its hotter than heck in there - even worse when you are exercising.
Management claims the reason is lack of a crane to lift the a/c units onto the roof. There are plenty of cranes lifting trusses onto new homes south of 44. It seems clear where the Villages
priorities lie.

The owner of the building would not bring in a crane for the contractor to use. The contractor would bring the crane in. The cranes that you see building houses were brought in by those contractors, and none of them are going to send one up to the bowling alley.

Not a matter of priorities.

[BobAugustine]

I'm a bit confused with this thread.

I bowl at Spanish Springs Lanes three times a week, during the summer, and I've never seen a time when there was no, or little air conditioning. Most of the time it's too cold there. Some of the people I bowl with bring coats because it's so cold.

On the other topic that was spawned here. I like the changes Bowlero has made. Sure the prices have risen a little bit. However, have you seen the inflation taking place everywhere?

And Bowlero does make bowling a bit less expensive by offering free games associated with joining a league.

Finally, the staff at Spanish Springs Lanes is always courteous and attentive.

So I'm a bit unclear as to why there is complaining happening.

[CybrSage]

Contact Bowlero and complain to them. They are the ones to make any fixes happen.

[MSGirl]

Interesting - when I inquired, I was told that the Villages Properties was the landlord and they were responsible for the maintenance of their building. The Management of the bowling alleys was taken over by Bowlero, not the actual real estate.
I work in a retail store in The Villages and the store owner is responsible for the maintenance and replacement of the units. We had to replace our air conditioning system a couple of years ago.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't know why people think a crane is needed. The job can be done with a scissor lift. They had a few of them behind the hotel up the street just sitting there for a couple of weeks.

[David114]

I'm a bit confused with this thread.

I bowl at Spanish Springs Lanes three times a week, during the summer, and I've never seen a time when there was no, or little air conditioning. Most of the time it's too cold there. Some of the people I bowl with bring coats because it's so cold.

On the other topic that was spawned here. I like the changes Bowlero has made. Sure the prices have risen a little bit. However, have you seen the inflation taking place everywhere?

And Bowlero does make bowling a bit less expensive by offering free games associated with joining a league.

Finally, the staff at Spanish Springs Lanes is always courteous and attentive.

So I'm a bit unclear as to why there is complaining happening.
Addressing “Bowlero” complaints only, nationwide they generally cater to, and are interested in, recreational bowlers who don’t really care about lane conditions and spend money on food & drink. I personally have had experience with several up north, who once Bowlero took over, longtime morning leagues were tossed out, opening hours moved to 4:00 P.M. etc, etc. That does not apply to all Bowlero centers, but many. Here in The Villages, our two, as far as I can see, are very interested in all their leagues, and they have invested a lot of money in new floors, lanes, scoring machines etc. I am not bowling in the Summer, and know nothing of the A/C issues.

[Dotneko]

I work in a retail store in The Villages and the store owner is responsible for the maintenance and replacement of the units. We had to replace our air conditioning system a couple of years ago.

Really? 100% opposite what i was told two days ago by the manager.
I suppose it depends on the lease agreement - triple net or not?

[Dotneko]

I'm a bit confused with this thread.

I bowl at Spanish Springs Lanes three times a week, during the summer, and I've never seen a time when there was no, or little air conditioning. Most of the time it's too cold there. Some of the people I bowl with bring coats because it's so cold.

On the other topic that was spawned here. I like the changes Bowlero has made. Sure the prices have risen a little bit. However, have you seen the inflation taking place everywhere?

And Bowlero does make bowling a bit less expensive by offering free games associated with joining a league.

Finally, the staff at Spanish Springs Lanes is always courteous and attentive.

So I'm a bit unclear as to why there is complaining happening.

Lanes 20 and up have no ac. The fans are it. I can testify the truth of that for at least the month of May. We were planning on a walk out tuesday night. Definitely not bowling any future leagues there until resolved. 3 more weeks to go for one, our other finishes next week.

[Marathon Man]

Lanes 20 and up have no ac. The fans are it. I can testify the truth of that for at least the month of May. We were planning on a walk out tuesday night. Definitely not bowling any future leagues there until resolved. 3 more weeks to go for one, our other finishes next week.

The room is hot, so you are going to walk out - to where it is hot.

[Marathon Man]

I don't know why people think a crane is needed. The job can be done with a scissor lift. They had a few of them behind the hotel up the street just sitting there for a couple of weeks.

Can you give us the details of the required work?

[JMintzer]

Really? 100% opposite what i was told two days ago by the manager.
I suppose it depends on the lease agreement - triple net or not?

Correct. With a "Triple Net Lease", the tenant is responsible for maintenance, such as HVAC repair...

[Stu from NYC]

The room is hot, so you are going to walk out - to where it is hot.

True but next stop is somewhere that has ac

[Stu from NYC]

Correct. With a "Triple Net Lease", the tenant is responsible for maintenance, such as HVAC repair...

Given what we know about the developer owned properties can be pretty sure tenant is on the hook for these repairs

[jimjamuser]

This has been going on for weeks now. The air conditioning isnt working.
Its hotter than heck in there - even worse when you are exercising.
Management claims the reason is lack of a crane to lift the a/c units onto the roof. There are plenty of cranes lifting trusses onto new homes south of 44. It seems clear where the Villages
priorities lie.
Has bowling been upgraded to an exercise? Why wasn't I informed? Next it will be golf and even horseshoes.

[Chandra10100]

Both bowling alleys in The Villages are now owned by Bowlero, a large nationwide company with over 300 centers, nothing to do with The Villages ownership or management

BOWLERO owns the business , the villages still own the building . That’s why there is no arcade or changes made to the buildings.

[graciegirl]

Given what we know about the developer owned properties can be pretty sure tenant is on the hook for these repairs

These terms are common everywhere for commercial leases. EVERYWHERE there is commercial property. Malls, strip malls, Free standing five year leases too. In Florida. In Ohio. In Muncie, Indiana.

Commercial Leasing: ABCs of HVAC (https://finneylawfirm.com/commercial-leasing-abcs-of-hvac/#:~:text=The%20lease%20should%20allocate%20the%20r esponsibility%20for%20the,HVAC%20service%20provide r%20for%20biannual%20or%20quarterly%20service).

[Dotneko]

These terms are common everywhere. EVERYWHERE there is commercial property. Malls, strip malls, Free standing five year leases too. In Florida. In Ohio. In Muncie, Indiana. Please stop. Commercial Leases – Who is responsible for the Air Conditioning? - Thrive Commercial (https://thrivecommercial.com.au/commercial-leases-who-is-responsible-for-the-air-conditioning/)

That states that repairs and maintenance are normally on the tenant and replacement on the landlord. They need replacement hence the crane requirement, so please stop, yourself.

[Bill14564]

These terms are common everywhere. EVERYWHERE there is commercial property. Malls, strip malls, Free standing five year leases too. In Florida. In Ohio. In Muncie, Indiana. Please stop. Commercial Leases – Who is responsible for the Air Conditioning? - Thrive Commercial (https://thrivecommercial.com.au/commercial-leases-who-is-responsible-for-the-air-conditioning/)

That states that repairs and maintenance are normally on the tenant and replacement on the landlord. They need replacement hence the crane requirement, so please stop, yourself.

You're arguing over details from an Australian article? How about something from this side of the world?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You're arguing over details from an Australian article? How about something from this side of the world?

Yeah it refers to a tenant protection law specific to Australia.

It also states -
The landlord would generally be responsible for the cost of any major repairs or replacements needed for the air conditioning unit.

So, y'know - even in Australia (maybe not in Muncie Ohio I guess?) - the landlord is responsible for replacing the unit itself, the tenant is responsible for maintenance and general repairs.

[Bill14564]

Yeah it refers to a tenant protection law specific to Australia.

It also states -


So, y'know - even in Australia (maybe not in Muncie Ohio I guess?) - the landlord is responsible for replacing the unit itself, the tenant is responsible for maintenance and general repairs.

Knowing the tenant responsibilities in Australia may be interesting to some but doesn't matter much to those in Muncie, Ohio or more importantly, to those in The Villages, Florida.

[elevatorman]

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[graciegirl]

You're arguing over details from an Australian article? How about something from this side of the world?

You are right. I was careless, (and defensive) so here is perhaps a better article?

I do know that the Morse family are often maligned for the terms of their commercial leases, when in fact I believe that these terms are common in areas similar to where we live, all over this country. No one is FORCED to lease a commercial spot, or renew the lease which is typically for five years.

If this isn't convincing, I will look further, but I really wanted to bake a pie this morning.

Commercial Leasing: ABCs of HVAC (https://finneylawfirm.com/commercial-leasing-abcs-of-hvac/#:~:text=The%20lease%20should%20allocate%20the%20r esponsibility%20for%20the,HVAC%20service%20provide r%20for%20biannual%20or%20quarterly%20service).