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Windguy
05-29-2024, 09:37 AM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".
https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe
golfing eagles
05-29-2024, 10:31 AM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".
https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe
Why You Should Want Driverless Cars On Roads Now?
Because you want more accidents with higher insurance premiums, and the ability of your car to kill you. Not to mention what a hacker could do to that idea.
Windguy
05-29-2024, 10:52 AM
Why You Should Want Driverless Cars On Roads Now?
Because you want more accidents with higher insurance premiums, and the ability of your car to kill you. Not to mention what a hacker could do to that idea.
Didn't watch the video?
Caymus
05-29-2024, 11:04 AM
China will develop the perfect driverless car. They don't have to worry about the "Morgans and Morgans" during testing.:jester:
Bill14564
05-29-2024, 11:06 AM
I like the idea of fully-approved, driverless cars. Distracted driving, driving under the influence, bad habits, poor skills, and just poor decision making cause the roads to be rather dangerous. If those drivers were sitting back in their computer-driven cars it would make things safer for all of us.
Tesla's experience shows not all full-self driving systems are ready for prime time. I noted that the system in the video uses the LiDAR sensors that Tesla removed. I will trust a certified, fully-approved system to be safe.
frayedends
05-29-2024, 01:15 PM
The most difficult hurdle is having automated cars having to deal with the erratic behavior of human drivers also on the road. At some point all cars will be automated and communicate so accidents will be very infrequent.
I’m hoping for an autonomous golf cart to bring me home from the square.
jimbomaybe
05-29-2024, 02:24 PM
The most difficult hurdle is having automated cars having to deal with the erratic behavior of human drivers also on the road. At some point all cars will be automated and communicate so accidents will be very infrequent.
I’m hoping for an autonomous golf cart to bring me home from the square.
I am continually surprised that there are not many more auto accident fatalities , a recent trip to the Midwest and back I was almost involved in a serious accident going and returning, both occasions I was with the flow of traffic, moderately heavy, when overtaken by an other driver traveling at a remarkable speed weaving lane to lane on one occasion missed the rear of my veh on the other the front of my veh and the back of a tractor / trailer in the lane next to me , it would have been difficult to plan and accomplish the choreography of these maneuvers much less so just on the fly, I remain amazed
Two Bills
05-29-2024, 03:53 PM
104310
It is definitely the future. I will not see it come to full fruition, but it is here, and the Genie will not be put back in the bottle.
The ultimate conclusion will be banning all humans from driving, for full safety.
It's an amazing world!
villagetinker
05-29-2024, 04:41 PM
This would probably be ideal for The Villages; it is a reasonably confined area and would probably be an ideal location for a driverless SHARED RIDE concept, and I believe it could be expanded to surrounding areas (maybe avoiding I4). Since it appears to be able to work with NON automated vehicles this would also work well.
Maybe we should get together and start contacting WAYMO to see if they can setup a program in TV.
MightyDog
05-29-2024, 06:19 PM
China will develop the perfect driverless car. They don't have to worry about the "Morgans and Morgans" during testing.:jester:
It's the opposite of that, more likely. The salivating law firms in the USA cause product developers to grind-out their designs and manufacturing extra tightly to avoid big problems/lawsuits.
Places like China, India and elsewhere simply don't care if many people get harmed, or even killed, during the development, testing and usage of things. Just ask anyone who grew up in either of those countries.
Michael G.
05-29-2024, 07:40 PM
I would actually feel better flying in a driverless plane then the car. :undecided:
tophcfa
05-29-2024, 10:58 PM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".
https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe
Screw that.
skarra
05-30-2024, 04:48 AM
It’s not a matter of if, but when.
It’s coming folks. Get used to the idea. The roads will be safer.
Normal
05-30-2024, 04:58 AM
It’s not a matter of if, but when.
It’s coming folks. Get used to the idea. The roads will be safer.
Until, a part breaks that is crucial for operation (metal and electrical components never break…/s) and the program for the car can’t solve the problem.
sdeikenberry
05-30-2024, 06:23 AM
We own a 2023 car that can drive itself on limited access highways and can use lane detection and crash detection on all roads. It won’t let us take our hands off the wheel without an alarm. It definitely helps keeping the car in its lane and not rear ending someone. Definitely feel safer using the technology, although there was a comfort curve to learn about trusting it would work.
Kamaaina
05-30-2024, 06:27 AM
So, have you never had a computer glitch? Never had a software issue? Never had that "blue screen of death" crash on your PC? Never had to reboot to clear an issue? Never lost internet connection? So, this will never happen with an autonomous vehicle? So, when will we see an autonomous car in the Indy 500?
RICH1
05-30-2024, 06:37 AM
The most difficult hurdle is having automated cars having to deal with the erratic behavior of human drivers also on the road. At some point all cars will be automated and communicate so accidents will be very infrequent.
I’m hoping for an autonomous golf cart to bring me home from the square.
Driverless cars have less accidents than Drivers that live in the Villages!
Windguy
05-30-2024, 06:37 AM
Until, a part breaks that is crucial for operation (metal and electrical components never break…/s) and the program for the car can’t solve the problem.
People break, too. My mother had a heart attack when she was 90 and ran into someone. If you had watched the video, you would have seen that the statistics show that these cars have far fewer accidents than old fashioned cars. People are terrible drivers. You would also have seen that the majority of people think they are better than average drivers. That’s mathematically impossible.
Windguy
05-30-2024, 06:42 AM
So, have you never had a computer glitch? Never had a software issue? Never had that "blue screen of death" crash on your PC? Never had to reboot to clear an issue? Never lost internet connection? So, this will never happen with an autonomous vehicle? So, when will we see an autonomous car in the Indy 500?
Have you never been distracted while driving? Never felt drowsy while driving? Those are driving failures. That happens way more often than computers failing.
Autonomous driving is coming in the fairly near future. Those who refuse to adapt will end up paying higher insurance rates because they are not as good as a computer.
Two Bills
05-30-2024, 07:06 AM
The Luddites are thriving on TOTV
MidWestIA
05-30-2024, 07:31 AM
My 2019 Rav4 Toyota radar cruise is somewhat driverless it handles speed and turns BUT is not as arrogant as Tesla to let you crawl in the backseat. Your hand off the wheel for a few minutes gets a warning buzz and turns it off
bmcgowan13
05-30-2024, 08:00 AM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel.
Windguy- Thanks for the enlightening and informative video.
Henry Ford ran into much the same criticism, phobia, and pearl-clutching mania when his mechanical vehicles first took to the roads a century ago. Decades ago my mother would not purchase a car with "cruise control" because she was convinced everyone would fall asleep behind the wheel.
Waymo and other autonomous vehicles will have to tackle a substantial education hurdle in the decade(s) ahead. Videos like this break down on a complex subject.
Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles | The Saturday Evening Post (https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americas-skepticism-toward-first-automobiles/)
lawgolfer
05-30-2024, 08:19 AM
I like the idea of fully-approved, driverless cars. Distracted driving, driving under the influence, bad habits, poor skills, and just poor decision making cause the roads to be rather dangerous. If those drivers were sitting back in their computer-driven cars it would make things safer for all of us.
Tesla's experience shows not all full-self driving systems are ready for prime time. I noted that the system in the video uses the LiDAR sensors that Tesla removed. I will trust a certified, fully-approved system to be safe.
Having lived, and driven, in both San Francisco and Boston, I trust neither man nor machine.
CoachKandSportsguy
05-30-2024, 08:27 AM
The Luddites are thriving on TOTV
:1rotfl::1rotfl:
Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Winners-Take-All-Charade-Changing/dp/110197267X)
https://www.amazon.com/Persuaders-Front-Lines-Hearts-Democracy/dp/B09S26TC3R
I think that the first book is the one which the Luddites are fighting against. . . at least I am. . . you might be going along for the ride in the second one, not sure. .
I have not read them, but listened to an hour long interview with the author about the books he wrote. . its on my list
Normal
05-30-2024, 08:29 AM
I recall a couple years back when 301 was reworked near Baldwin off of the 10 inner change, google maps showed I was driving through a swamp and no road was there. I’m thinking human interaction is much more dependable even with its faults.
Bill14564
05-30-2024, 08:51 AM
I recall a couple years back when 301 was reworked near Baldwin off of the 10 inner change, google maps showed I was driving through a swamp and no road was there. I’m thinking human interaction is much more dependable even with its faults.
Did your cruise control stop working because google maps didn't know about the new roads?
Did your lane control suddenly turn you towards where google maps said the roads were?
Did the car seem as confused/concerned about google maps as the human was?
Maybe the technology handled the situation better than the human did.
Humans have a hard time seeing behind them to know about a car overtaking in the lane they are about to merge into - rear-facing cameras and LiDAR sensors do not.
Humans have a hard time paying attention to three or more inputs at a time, especially in stressful situations - computers do not.
Humans tend to make quick decisions then hope for the best - computers make the best decisions quickly.
The biggest concern I would have with driverless technology is whether it could be programmed to handle the inevitable human idiots who would drive recklessly to try to cause it problems.
Robojo
05-30-2024, 08:51 AM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".
https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe
If I start seeing driverless cars I'm buying a bunch of traffic cones to put on the hood.
NO ONE ASKS US if we are ok sharing the road with a robot. And until we VOTE on this I'm disabling them. Its just a robot.
Joe C.
05-30-2024, 09:05 AM
In the year 2525, if man is still alive, you may find driverless cars everywhere. However, for us driving enthusiasts, driving a vehicle is a passion. I love driving.....I'll drive anywhere, anyplace, anytime if I can. Where's the passion when sitting in a driverless car like a cigar store indian doing nothing. NO THANKS .....
Normal
05-30-2024, 09:13 AM
Did your cruise control stop working because google maps didn't know about the new roads?
Did your lane control suddenly turn you towards where google maps said the roads were?
Did the car seem as confused/concerned about google maps as the human was?
Maybe the technology handled the situation better than the human did.
Humans have a hard time seeing behind them to know about a car overtaking in the lane they are about to merge into - rear-facing cameras and LiDAR sensors do not.
Humans have a hard time paying attention to three or more inputs at a time, especially in stressful situations - computers do not.
Humans tend to make quick decisions then hope for the best - computers make the best decisions quickly.
The biggest concern I would have with driverless technology is whether it could be programmed to handle the inevitable human idiots who would drive recklessly to try to cause it problems.
If I had to rely on technology, the road never existed, the car would have just sat there I guess. The Starke road was closed. Fortunately I read the detour signs, I didn’t have technology read all the deviations, I handled the situation quite well without it.
Which brings to question, “Just how reliable can an automated car be in all situations?” If a road suddenly floods out during a hurricane, I’d rather be in control. I would hate to have been on a Francis Scott Key Baltimore bridge and my car kept driving because of a hazardous situation hadn’t been updated yet.
PugMom
05-30-2024, 09:26 AM
Why You Should Want Driverless Cars On Roads Now?
Because you want more accidents with higher insurance premiums, and the ability of your car to kill you. Not to mention what a hacker could do to that idea.
you took the words out of my mouth. when i hear or see about these vehicles being in accident after accident, it's frightening. also: the inability for it to judge certain situations, and yes, the hacking is of great concern. i would purposely avoid being in or around 1 for fear of unexpected reactions by that vehicle
Bill14564
05-30-2024, 09:45 AM
If I had to rely on technology, the road never existed, the car would have just sat there I guess. The Starke road was closed. Fortunately I read the detour signs, I didn’t have technology read all the deviations, I handled the situation quite well without it.
Which brings to question, “Just how reliable can an automated car be in all situations?” If a road suddenly floods out during a hurricane, I’d rather be in control. I would hate to have been on a Francis Scott Key Baltimore bridge and my car kept driving because of a hazardous situation hadn’t been updated yet.
But if a satellite fell out of the sky towards your car, the cameras and sensors on the car might be able to see it and avoid it while you would be unaware of it and be hit.
If we put aside those things that we are never likely to encounter, the technology is more aware than a human, more focused than a human, more accurate than a human, and quicker to react than a human.
Normal
05-30-2024, 09:59 AM
If we put aside those things that we are NEVER likely to encounter, the technology….
Ya, like you said, “NEVER”, it only happens to somebody else. Roads don’t flood in Vegas said the woman who drowned not long ago in her car in downtown Vegas during a flash flood under an overpass, NOT! Things happen.
Bwanajim
05-30-2024, 10:03 AM
Hmmmm. I wonder if those will also give the government ability to turn it off when they feel like it.
It’s already been talked about in California if you go over the speed limit, they will have a governor.
Another one of our freedoms taken away
Bill14564
05-30-2024, 10:04 AM
Ya, like you said, “NEVER”, it only happens to somebody else.
No one driving across the Key Bridge was affected by the collapse.
- The collapse happened during a period of low activity
- The bridge was closed in time to prevent cars from moving across it at the time of the collapse
- Those that were killed may have been in their vehicles but the vehicles were not in motion (and certainly weren't using driverless technology)
Never seems to be a good word to use since it didn't happen to anyone.
Bill14564
05-30-2024, 10:06 AM
Hmmmm. I wonder if those will also give the government ability to turn it off when they feel like it.
It’s already been talked about in California if you go over the speed limit, they will have a governor.
Another one of our freedoms taken away
Talked about but not implemented.
Talked about for human-driven vehicles, not driverless technology
Normal
05-30-2024, 10:09 AM
No one driving across the Key Bridge was affected by the collapse.
- The collapse happened during a period of low activity
- The bridge was closed in time to prevent cars from moving across it at the time of the collapse
- Those that were killed may have been in their vehicles but the vehicles were not in motion (and certainly weren't using driverless technology)
Never seems to be a good word to use since it didn't happen to anyone.
Great point, closed down after the fact though. Fortunately the freighter’s engine died late in the night and not during rush hour. I recall driving near Vero Beach and Indian River a few years back when the roads were cut off because of hurricane storm surge. It wouldn’t have been a good scenario for those driving in automated vehicles.
You shouldn’t care though, as long as it was the other guy.
Runway48
05-30-2024, 10:58 AM
This technology may work well in the sunny, dry southwest. But I understand it is challenged in rainy and snowy conditions that occur frequently in the rest of the country because the precipitation provides too much background reflection for the lidar systems.
Two Bills
05-30-2024, 11:59 AM
:1rotfl::1rotfl:
Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Winners-Take-All-Charade-Changing/dp/110197267X)
https://www.amazon.com/Persuaders-Front-Lines-Hearts-Democracy/dp/B09S26TC3R
I think that the first book is the one which the Luddites are fighting against. . . at least I am. . . you might be going along for the ride in the second one, not sure. .
I have not read them, but listened to an hour long interview with the author about the books he wrote. . its on my list
Luddite
/ˈlʌdʌɪt/
noun
plural noun: Luddite
derogatory
1. a person opposed to new technology or ways of working.
"a small-minded Luddite resisting progress"
2.
historical
a member of any of the bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woollen mills, that they believed was threatening their jobs (1811–16).
jimbomaybe
05-30-2024, 12:01 PM
This technology may work well in the sunny, dry southwest. But I understand it is challenged in rainy and snowy conditions that occur frequently in the rest of the country because the precipitation provides too much background reflection for the lidar systems.
Never underestimate technology , not long ago I had a rental car , mine old 2008 being in the shop, the rental having much newer tech I could talk to it , asking questions, I got frustrated ,asking questions the wrong way, reverting to my inner child I used some colorful language addressing the car?computer, the car apologized, "I think of myself as a work in progress",. Fast forward several months, I now have a 2024, as an experiment I used the same language , this time the car did not give any apologies, instead it chastised me for my choice of words, at this point I think all we can do is surrender to the silicon gods that own us
Windguy
05-30-2024, 02:35 PM
Videos like this break down a complex subject.
It’s quite apparent that many of the negative comments here are by people who didn’t bother to watch the video because their minds were closed.
They don’t get that many things are already automated. Cars already have computers that control many functions. Elevators not longer require a person to control their motion, which was very unpopular at first.
The SpaceX Dragon crew capsule is fully automated. The Space Shuttle Orbiter had an automatic flight control system that was designed over 50 years ago. The pilots didn’t like it at all and generally avoided using it.
On the first approach and landing test of the Enterprise orbiter in 1977, the pilot got into a pilot-induced oscillation because every time he tried to correct the roll he was just a little late and each oscillation was bigger than the last. The copilot told the pilot to take his hands off the stick and the ship leveled out and landed perfectly.
Do people really think they are better drivers than an astronaut who was one of the best pilots to ever fly? I think not!
Windguy
05-30-2024, 02:45 PM
I recall driving near Vero Beach and Indian River a few years back when the roads were cut off because of hurricane storm surge. It wouldn’t have been a good scenario for those driving in automated vehicles.
Why? Autonomous cars are smarter than people. They wouldn’t actually drive you into the water like the idiots who think they can make it through the water. These vehicles don’t use GPS to control the car. They use vision and other sensors.
biker1
05-30-2024, 05:38 PM
Huh? Teslas don't let you crawl in the backseat anymore than Toyotas do. You need to maintain pressure on the steering wheel or the inside camera must "see" you as paying attention. There have been attempts at defeating such systems, such as hanging a weight on the steering wheel, but nobody lets you crawl in the backseat. Google is your friend.
My 2019 Rav4 Toyota radar cruise is somewhat driverless it handles speed and turns BUT is not as arrogant as Tesla to let you crawl in the backseat. Your hand off the wheel for a few minutes gets a warning buzz and turns it off
biker1
05-30-2024, 05:51 PM
Not exactly. Tesla's autopilot/full self driving system never used LiDAR. In fact, Musk famously said that using LiDAR was a fool's errand. The Tesla system is vision based although there was a period of time where they were also using radar (and perhaps the ultrasonic sensors also). Apparently, they came to the conclusion that fusing multiple sensors was not worth the effort and they are now vision based only and stopped installing radars (as well as ultra sonic sensors) on their vehicles a couple of years ago. I am not sure what role the radars on older Teslas play. I believe their latest release is entirely neural network based using only vision data having removed all of the older heuristic code.
I like the idea of fully-approved, driverless cars. Distracted driving, driving under the influence, bad habits, poor skills, and just poor decision making cause the roads to be rather dangerous. If those drivers were sitting back in their computer-driven cars it would make things safer for all of us.
Tesla's experience shows not all full-self driving systems are ready for prime time. I noted that the system in the video uses the LiDAR sensors that Tesla removed. I will trust a certified, fully-approved system to be safe.
Bill14564
05-30-2024, 06:05 PM
Not exactly. Tesla's autopilot/full self driving system never used LiDAR. In fact, Musk famously said that using LiDAR was a fool's errand. The Tesla system is vision based although there was a period of time where they were also using radar (and perhaps the ultrasonic sensors also). Apparently, they came to the conclusion that fusing multiple sensors was not worth the effort and they are now vision based only and stopped installing radars (as well as ultra sonic sensors) on their vehicles a couple of years ago. I am not sure what role the radars on older Teslas play. I believe their latest release is entirely neural network based using only vision data having removed all of the older heuristic code.
Ah, okay, so Tesla disparaged LiDAR without ever using it and removed the other non-camera sensors. Tesla's system appears to have issues based on the number of problems reported. To be fair, no other system has the number of miles on it that Tesla does and issues arise with those systems when they are tested to the same extent.
biker1
05-30-2024, 06:15 PM
Tesla continues to make good progress as the miles per human intervention (how often you need to take over) keeps improving but it is still level 2. Their vision-based neural network approach only gets better with more training data. Unlike Waymo's LiDAR systems (actually LiDAR plus vision), which only works in geo-mapped areas, Tesla's approach has the potential to work anywhere as a level 5 system. Time will tell.
Ah, okay, so Tesla disparaged LiDAR without ever using it and removed the other non-camera sensors. Tesla's system appears to have issues based on the number of problems reported. To be fair, no other system has the number of miles on it that Tesla does and issues arise with those systems when they are tested to the same extent.
jimjamuser
05-30-2024, 06:17 PM
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".
https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe
Driver-less cars would drive better than the dorks that drive around The Villages when it is crowded in the winter.
FredMitchell
05-30-2024, 08:40 PM
There are many things wrong with fanboy's analysis. Cat III approach and landings ARE controlled by many humans - ATC - Radar controllers, tower controllers, ground controllers, and the crew in the airplane! Enroute, departure, and approach controllers are responsible for maintaining 5 mile and 2000 foot vertical separation. They will let you closer if you as the pilot report seeing the traffic. Then you are responsible for separation. The tower is in charge of the entire environment of any CAT III eligible approaches - they are rare. They also require additional inspections and currency of the crew and aircraft. MOST aircraft and crew are not permitted to use them. The airport is closed to all other traffic during a CAT III approach until the runway has been cleared.
Millions or billions of miles. That is like the employee with 25 years of experience - doing exactly one job - i.e. 25 times one. AI is very complex. Just having more data does not necessarily improve the solutions. It may even make it harder to improve.
One major hurdle that automated cars still haven't solved is left turns without traffic control. Deer are a serious problem, especially in the rutting season in many areas of the country, but not in the deserts where the cars have amassed their mileage. If they could solve that problem, insurance companies would see to it that the necessary hardware and software would be in cars in those states through lower premiums. Animal behavior changes with geography and seasons.
Lane management works when it does, but not very well when it doesn't. It gets scary at the roundabout bypasses. It also relies on clearly visible lane painting. In the rain, at night, in many areas of NJ, seeing the lines can be a problem. Many places have used reflectors to help solve the lack of permanence of traffic lines. Lane management could even cause drivers to continue driving when they are too tired to do so safely.
GPS works with radio waves. They have an annoying feature of bouncing off metal structures introducing significant errors. You won't be seeing broad acceptance of autonomous cars in this decade. BTW, the average age of vehicles on the road is now over 12 years and increasing.
There were also repeated of claims of better safety than average. But no data to back it up. To be comparable, the locations need to be the same for automated and non-automated.
Sorry. Not pulling into that restaurant. It is not on your itinerary. Nope, not the mall either. You need to decide ahead of time. LOL
How much was fanboy paid? By whom? How was he paid? Scientists now need to report that as part of their reports.
Altavia
05-31-2024, 05:46 AM
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biker1
05-31-2024, 07:22 AM
If you are referring to an unprotected left hand turn, Tesla's FSD handles those well, albeit it is still level 2. Regarding Waymo, which is essentially level 4 within their geo-mapped areas, I can only assume it handles those also otherwise it would have to go out of it's way to route around those. I suspect it is the former. It should be easy enough to look at some YouTube videos of Waymo to verify this. YouTube videos of Tesla's FSD handling unprotected left hand turns are really impressive.
One major hurdle that automated cars still haven't solved is left turns without traffic control.
Philipd411
05-31-2024, 09:01 AM
Why You Should Want Driverless Cars On Roads Now?
Because you want more accidents with higher insurance premiums, and the ability of your car to kill you. Not to mention what a hacker could do to that idea.
That is just not true. Once the tech is figured out accidents will become very rare. You will get in a car traveling at 120 miles in hour. There will be no traffic jams.
collie1228
05-31-2024, 09:35 AM
We have a car that drives itself on the highway using lane centering and adaptive cruise control but your hands must always be on the wheel. I like it - it allows me to drive much longer than I would normally be able to do, since my driving workload is significantly reduced. However, when I see the latest Ford truck self-driving commercial, with the driver totally disconnected from the road while towing a trailer, it makes me very nervous. For example, our lane centering turns off when in a construction zone where there are no lane markers, and the system cannot see a flagman or police officer giving you hand signal directions. How does the Ford system account for these very common situations?
fdpaq0580
05-31-2024, 11:07 AM
Until, a part breaks that is crucial for operation (metal and electrical components never break…/s) and the program for the car can’t solve the problem.
Parts break now, and humans screw up or " can't solve the problem ". Take the human behavior out of the equation and things may not be perfect, but they will be better and safer
fdpaq0580
05-31-2024, 11:13 AM
We have a car that drives itself on the highway using lane centering and adaptive cruise control but your hands must always be on the wheel. I like it - it allows me to drive much longer than I would normally be able to do, since my driving workload is significantly reduced. However, when I see the latest Ford truck self-driving commercial, with the driver totally disconnected from the road while towing a trailer, it makes me very nervous. For example, our lane centering turns off when in a construction zone where there are no lane markers, and the system cannot see a flagman or police officer giving you hand signal directions. How does the Ford system account for these very common situations?
AI will be able to "see" and adapt faster then humans. It ain't ready yet, but it's coming. And sooner than we think.
patfla06
05-31-2024, 06:20 PM
I will NEVER want driverless cars on the road, especially in the roundabouts!!
fdpaq0580
05-31-2024, 06:48 PM
I will NEVER want driverless cars on the road, especially in the roundabouts!!
AI will work perfectly. Not like human personalities, one trying to shove in or crowd out other, less aggressive drivers. Or speeding up to see if they can beat others coming around. Aggressive drivers trying to intimidate others.
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