Charges Dropped against Scheffler!

[Rainger99]

Charges dropped against Scottie Scheffler from Louisville arrest - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40240096/charges-dropped-scottie-scheffler-louisville-arrest)

[Velvet]

I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

[Rainger99]

I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

Was your situation resolved as quickly?

[JMintzer]

https://gifdb.com/images/high/pretends-to-be-shocked-face-reb3maxtxogjuxh8.gif

[dewilson58]

Charges dropped against Scottie Scheffler from Louisville arrest - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40240096/charges-dropped-scottie-scheffler-louisville-arrest)

Good.

Thanks for posting.

:wave:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Being a retired LEO, I knew that was going to happen from day 1; something just wasn’t right with the “Detective’s” (who was working traffic) statements, subsequent videos and the failure to turn his body cam on.

[Stu from NYC]

Not exactly a surprise

[BrianL99]

The rest of the story.


https://x.com/i/status/1795889034176377035


https://x.com/i/status/1795873393150922937

[Velvet]

Was your situation resolved as quickly?

Well, I didn’t get arrested.

[tophcfa]

Not surprised, the whole thing seemed fishy from the beginning and was way out of character.

[Wondering]

Charges dropped against Scottie Scheffler from Louisville arrest - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40240096/charges-dropped-scottie-scheffler-louisville-arrest)
White, Celebrity privilege!

[coleprice]

Mr. Mills grabbed hold of Scheffler's car, so MILLS CAUSED the car to drag him. There was no immediate emergency, so his actions were not only inappropriate, he violated his training and took an unnecessary and dangerous risk for what appears to be "emotional reasons" . . . Mills must have perceived that Scheffler didn't follow his instructions, notwithstanding that Scheffler was following the instructions given to him by another officer. The instructions given to him by the other officer were recorded by that officer's bodycam, yet Detective Mills' body cam was turned off, which is a violation of department policy (for which Mills has been reprimanded). BTW, what is a DETECTIVE doing working traffic duty???

[BrianL99]

Mr. Mills grabbed hold of Scheffler's car, so MILLS CAUSED the car to drag him. There was no immediate emergency, so his actions were not only inappropriate, he violated his training and took an unnecessary and dangerous risk for what appears to be "emotional reasons" . . . Mills must have perceived that Scheffler didn't follow his instructions, notwithstanding that Scheffler was following the instructions given to him by another officer. The instructions given to him by the other officer were recorded by that officer's bodycam, yet Detective Mills' body cam was turned off, which is a violation of department policy (for which Mills has been reprimanded). BTW, what is a DETECTIVE doing working traffic duty???


Apparently the Louisville Police have released more details.

& a photo of THE pants.

Scheffler: "What is second-degree assault?"

Willis: "A felony"

Scheffler: "Holy sh**. ... What does a felony mean? ... It sounds serious."

Willis: "It's a very serious charge."

Willis: "I didn't know you were the No. 1 in the world right now. ... You too casual to be the No. 1 player in the world."

Scheffler: "I think that's why they're so surprised I'm sitting here in the freakin' jail.

Willis: "You should have had a driver."

Scheffler: "Instead, I'm the one with the felony."

Willis: "For now. You'll be all right."


3 LMPD officers failed to activate body cameras in Scottie Scheffler arrest, investigation finds | In-depth | wdrb.com (https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/3-lmpd-officers-failed-to-activate-body-cameras-in-scottie-scheffler-arrest-investigation-finds/article_783f5f50-24f6-11ef-acdc-4fe8b02ac41a.html)

[Shipping up to Boston]

Apparently the Louisville Police have released more details.

& a photo of THE pants.

Scheffler: "What is second-degree assault?"

Willis: "A felony"

Scheffler: "Holy sh**. ... What does a felony mean? ... It sounds serious."

Willis: "It's a very serious charge."

Willis: "I didn't know you were the No. 1 in the world right now. ... You too casual to be the No. 1 player in the world."

Scheffler: "I think that's why they're so surprised I'm sitting here in the freakin' jail.

Willis: "You should have had a driver."

Scheffler: "Instead, I'm the one with the felony."

Willis: "For now. You'll be all right."


3 LMPD officers failed to activate body cameras in Scottie Scheffler arrest, investigation finds | In-depth | wdrb.com (https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/3-lmpd-officers-failed-to-activate-body-cameras-in-scottie-scheffler-arrest-investigation-finds/article_783f5f50-24f6-11ef-acdc-4fe8b02ac41a.html)

As Belichick would say.....we're on to The Memorial!

[Caymus]

I didn't realize that the "dangerous" criminal was handcuffed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/louisville-police-chief-resigns-a-month-after-bungled-scottie-scheffler-arrest/ar-BB1oWBWK?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=9caa364dee504164bc51075ed2fee292&ei=15

[Pairadocs]

I was expecting something like this outcome after the circumstances were first described. I’ve been in a situation, myself, where two different officials gave me different instructions at the same time.

I have definitely experienced the very same thing... actually last July 4th fireworks display. I'm sure it common, not just something you, I, and Scottie have experienced. But it sure gave the blood thirsty media a couple days of their blood lust ! In some ways reminds me of the non stop coverage of the NASCAR "hanging noose" incident, media licking their chops !

[golfing eagles]

White, Celebrity privilege!

Ridiculous stupid comment. Does anyone think that under the same circumstances the charges wouldn't have been dropped for Jay-Z as well?????

[spd2918]

Being a retired LEO, I knew that was going to happen from day 1; something just wasn’t right with the “Detective’s” (who was working traffic) statements, subsequent videos and the failure to turn his body cam on.

Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

[JMintzer]

Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

If he doesn't know how to turn his body cam on, why was he wearing one?

If it is police policy to turn it on during encounters, his "wrongdoing" was not following procedure...

Would you say the same ting about a taser he may be carrying?

[spd2918]

If he doesn't know how to turn his body cam on, why was he wearing one?

If it is police policy to turn it on during encounters, his "wrongdoing" was not following procedure...

Would you say the same ting about a taser he may be carrying?

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

[Bill14564]

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

Great reason to turn the camera on BEFORE grabbing at a moving vehicle and losing your balance.

[spd2918]

Great reason to turn the camera on BEFORE grabbing at a moving vehicle and losing your balance.

More monday morning quarterbacking. What did you do for a living?

[Shipping up to Boston]

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

I speak from experience as well....but this site isn’t Indeed.com. Common sense says a ‘professional’ should know better. The body cams are now part of the uniform....not wearing one or turning one on....you’re out of uniform. It’s not about ‘Monday morning cops’. The reason body cams are in use today is not solely because of the actions of the people we, you or anybody else ‘serves and protects’.....it’s also because of the actions of some that have ‘served’ before you. We live in a skeptical and more importantly, a litigious society....I for one am not intimidated by cameras in the workplace nor on my person. If you’re doing nothing wrong....nothing will come of it. If not, body cams are a valuable tool in meting out punishment or clearing ones actions and name.

[Bill14564]

More monday morning quarterbacking. What did you do for a living?

I was paid to use my head and plan for things before they turned bad. Then if they did turn bad, it was my responsibility to find a safe way out.

Grabbing at moving vehicles was never part of my job.

[spd2918]

I was paid to use my head and plan for things before they turned bad. Then if they did turn bad, it was my responsibility to find a safe way out.

Grabbing at moving vehicles was never part of my job.

So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

[spd2918]

I speak from experience as well....but this site isn’t Indeed.com. Common sense says a ‘professional’ should know better. The body cams are now part of the uniform....not wearing one or turning one on....you’re out of uniform. It’s not about ‘Monday morning cops’. The reason body cams are in use today is not solely because of the actions of the people we, you or anybody else ‘serves and protects’.....it’s also because of the actions of some that have ‘served’ before you. We live in a skeptical and more importantly, a litigious society....I for one am not intimidated by cameras in the workplace nor on my person. If you’re doing nothing wrong....nothing will come of it. If not, body cams are a valuable tool in meting out punishment or clearing ones actions and name.

You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

[golfing eagles]

So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

The detective involved wasn’t “hit by a car”. He grabbed on to the door handle of a moving vehicle and eventually let go. IMHO he exercised extremely poor judgement—-after all, the vehicle was turning into a parking lot, just where did he think it was going?

[BrianL99]

The detective involved wasn’t “hit by a car”. He grabbed on to the door handle of a moving vehicle and eventually let go. IMHO he exercised extremely poor judgement—-after all, the vehicle was turning into a parking lot, just where did he think it was going?

Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

[Caymus]

Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

The recent update is that the Police Chief resigned this week for her department’s mishandling of the arrest.

[Shipping up to Boston]

You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

Nope, you’re right....comparing the actions of a casual duffer on a golf course to those of a ‘seasoned’ detective at what became a crime scene. I think I missed that module in the academy

[Bill14564]

So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

[BrianL99]

The recent update is that the Police Chief resigned this week for her department’s mishandling of the arrest.

3rd Chief to resign or be fired, in the last 3-4 years. It's a revolving door at one of the USA's worst Police Departments.

[spd2918]

No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

[BrianL99]

You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

Only a complete and utter moron, would try to attach himself to a moving automobile.

If officers have died that way, they have no one to blame but themselves ... they were too stupid to live.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

[JMintzer]

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

He should have had his body cam on when he first encountered Scheffler, well before he was "knocked down by a car"...

And stress? Try operating in an OR when everything goes sideways, and you've got to figure out a way to fix it... (I speak from experience)...

[JMintzer]

Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

Silly facts...

[JMintzer]

You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

He wasn't under "huge stress" until he put himself in that position buy grabbing at a moving car. He had plenty of time to turn on his body cam before he made that boneheaded decision...

[spd2918]

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Yes, for 26 years- all on the street. Driving instructor, traffic stop instructor. Forgetting to do something under stress is not wrongdoing.

Nobody wants to be a cop anymore because of all the youtube experts telling them how to do their jobs. BLM and other critics have reduced candidate pools to people that can't pass background checks.

[JMintzer]

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Sadly, I think he's a retired LEO... Hence the "I'll die on this hill" attitude...

[BrianL99]

Yes, for 26 years- all on the street. Driving instructor, traffic stop instructor. Forgetting to do something under stress is not wrongdoing.

Nobody wants to be a cop anymore because of all the youtube experts telling them how to do their jobs. BLM and other critics have reduced candidate pools to people that can't pass background checks.

You're probably right. Working the admittance gate at a professional golf tournament at 5 a.m., is bound to be stressful. All those creeps, driving $100,000 courtesy cars, wearing shorts and polyester shirts, can be scary.

[spd2918]

You're probably right. Working the admittance gate at a professional golf tournament at 5 a.m., is bound to be stressful. All those creeps, driving $100,000 courtesy cars, wearing shorts and polyester shirts, can be scary.
Until an entitled jerk drives that car around the protected scene and disregards you. More cops are killed by cars than bullets.

[spd2918]

He should have had his body cam on when he first encountered Scheffler, well before he was "knocked down by a car"...

And stress? Try operating in an OR when everything goes sideways, and you've got to figure out a way to fix it... (I speak from experience)...

Yes, operating can be stressful, especially since medical negligence kills more people than cops every year. I almost bought it after getting a 10 times too high dose of an allergy shot, but it didn't make the news nor did I sue because mistakes happen.

Should we put body cams on all medical people (or insert your job here)? If they forget to turn them on, let's all criticize them for wrongdoing. We can make all the footage available to the public. Your supervisors can watch the video anytime they want to criticize you. Let's make the video available to the media so they can edit it, show it out of context, and only show the few seconds that paint you in a bad light. Imagine a job in which you are criticized for the maliciousness of individuals in other states. Imagine being constantly called racist for choosing a job.

That's my feeling on the body cam issue. It can be a great tool if used properly. It's horrible if used to vindictively supervise or publicly abuse people. Either way, forgeting to turn it on is not evidence of wrongdoing, only failure to follow a policy. That's my only point. The detective (who surely does not wear one in his normal duties) was or will be disciplined for not following proceedures. That should.make some of you happy.

I am very happy to be retired and I would never encourage anyone to do that job. Nobody wants to do it anymore. The pool of applicants is dwindling and we will all suffer the consequences of it.

[golfing eagles]

Until an entitled jerk drives that car around the protected scene and disregards you. More cops are killed by cars than bullets.

Except....Scheffler was waved through by the officer standing in front of him who was assigned to traffic control and was in possession of the memo from the department that players, staff, coaches and media should be waved around the obstruction. This moron detective with a god complex who was working the crash site ran up from behind the driver's side of the clearly marked courtesy car and grabbed the handle of a moving vehicle. I realize you may view him as a "brother in blue", but why defend this idiot's actions in this scenario? Even his own department reprimanded him. In addition, the 2 golf channel reporters that were 100 feet from the incident at the time stated the detective was using incredibly foul language, and upon Scheffler exiting the vehicle he slammed his head against the window. I was watching the first reports live on Golf Channel and heard exactly what they reported. The picture is now complete----a detective who was not working traffic, did not have the instructional memo, did not have his body camera turned on but was going to "prove" he was "in charge" and teach the "bad guy" a lesson---and chose to do so by an idiotic grab onto a moving vehicle. I suppose, in his own mind, he thought they'd pin a medal on him for his act of "bravery" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Caymus]

Looks like the quality of the Louisville police could be improved.

Police officer involved in Scottie Scheffler arrest charged for theft (https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2024/08/23/scottie-scheffler-arrest-officer-javar-downs-theft-4000-dollars/)