High recommend lithium electric cart

[Tvflguy]

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

[mrf0151]

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

So, if the seller, in this case Villages Discount Carts at some point drops this manufactures carts, who do you go to, to get service and parts? We just had a situation on TOTV where Crown Carts left the TV area and now the owners of these carts are left wondering. Over the last 20 years we have seen this story play out over and over.

[LeRoySmith]

Hey Tvflguy,

We, like you, bought a new lithium cart and love it! We got ours at Hidden Creek Golf carts in Brownwood. Like you we have many options and great range. Ours was about 13k, I understand they have had a price cut since then so for 11 or 12k you can get a great cart with 70 or 80 miles of range with a ton of features.

Thanks for posting up this information, it's great for new cart buyers that are considering an electric cart.

[MorTech]

Competitive pressure is good for making the 3 overpriced lethargic giants uncomfortable. Also consider an Atlas cart or Star. Atlas was started by former big/lethargic 3 executives. The risk-adverse should probably just stick with Yamaha, obviously.

[LeRoySmith]

Competitive pressure is good for making the 3 overpriced lethargic giants uncomfortable. Also consider an Atlas cart or Star. Atlas was started by former big/lethargic 3 executives. The risk-adverse should probably just stick with Yamaha, obviously.

If I had been looking for 2 forward I would have bought atlas, 4 forward went to evolution.

[UpNorth]

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

What's that thing in the front? An airbag?:o No offense, but that is one ugly cart. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder :shrug:

[JoMar]

So, if the seller, in this case Villages Discount Carts at some point drops this manufactures carts, who do you go to, to get service and parts? We just had a situation on TOTV where Crown Carts left the TV area and now the owners of these carts are left wondering. Over the last 20 years we have seen this story play out over and over.

I understand Crown moved to the Bellvue area and will continue to offer pickup, warranty and service.

[Tvflguy]

So, if the seller, in this case Villages Discount Carts at some point drops this manufactures carts, who do you go to, to get service and parts? We just had a situation on TOTV where Crown Carts left the TV area and now the owners of these carts are left wondering. Over the last 20 years we have seen this story play out over and over.

Well we tend to be glass-is-half-full and not Debbie Downer. You said “IF”. That’s part of life. Have you driven one? We feel these carts will be a hit, as the price is &1,000s under the standard cart fare out there.
Check them out if you’re in the market for a wonderful 90mile range lithium cart. You may be very surprised as we were….

[BrianL99]

What's that thing in the front? An airbag?:o No offense, but that is one ugly cart. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder :shrug:

I've want to type that, at least 5 times today.

Thanks for saving everyone the trouble, because I'm sure there were a lot more people in that boat.

Based on the tone of the recommendations, I'd say there was some justifying or quid pro quo going on.

[PoolBrews]

Well we tend to be glass-is-half-full and not Debbie Downer. You said “IF”. That’s part of life. Have you driven one? We feel these carts will be a hit, as the price is &1,000s under the standard cart fare out there.
Check them out if you’re in the market for a wonderful 90mile range lithium cart. You may be very surprised as we were….

While the carts look good, they will NOT get 90 miles on a charge. You will most likely get around 60-70 miles based on the battery they offer. Please don't just blindly repeat what the salesman or their brochure says. They all give a range that is unobtainable in the real world.

And while they may be $1,000's less, the Evolution D5 is $10K less than a comparable Star EV, EZ-GO, or Yamaha with more features. And it's from a reputable dealer. The Villages Discount Golf Cars has screwed over two different sets of customers in the past 5 years, and there is no reason to think that they won't do it again.

[PoolBrews]

Competitive pressure is good for making the 3 overpriced lethargic giants uncomfortable. Also consider an Atlas cart or Star. Atlas was started by former big/lethargic 3 executives. The risk-adverse should probably just stick with Yamaha, obviously.

Both Star and Atlas are between $5K-$10K more than a comparable Evolution D5. In addition, the D5 has more features than either of them. Do yourself a favor and at least drive all of them and compare before a purchase.

[phylt]

While the carts look good, they will NOT get 90 miles on a charge. You will most likely get around 60-70 miles based on the battery they offer. Please don't just blindly repeat what the salesman or their brochure says. They all give a range that is unobtainable in the real world.

And while they may be $1,000's less, the Evolution D5 is $10K less than a comparable Star EV, EZ-GO, or Yamaha with more features. And it's from a reputable dealer. The Villages Discount Golf Cars has screwed over two different sets of customers in the past 5 years, and there is no reason to think that they won't do it again.

The 90 mile range is NOT critical for us. Actually if it was 50 miles that would be great. We NEVER drive our cart more than 30 miles in a day. The beauty of lithium battery is that it can be charged up daily if you wish, just as a Tesla. When we are fully charged, it is 90. We've had the car for a month now and charged it 3 times. It's quick and convenient with the on-board charger. And you can always have a full tank of electrons when leaving the garage. It's perfect for us. And BTW we DO NOT Blindly Repeat - that is so demeaning....

[golfing eagles]

Hey Tvflguy,

We, like you, bought a new lithium cart and love it! We got ours at Hidden Creek Golf carts in Brownwood. Like you we have many options and great range. Ours was about 13k, I understand they have had a price cut since then so for 11 or 12k you can get a great cart with 70 or 80 miles of range with a ton of features.

Thanks for posting up this information, it's great for new cart buyers that are considering an electric cart.

70-, 80- and 90-mile range----wait for it to be a few years old and see if that holds

[phylt]

70-, 80- and 90-mile range----wait for it to be a few years old and see if that holds

yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

[golfing eagles]

yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

[Tvflguy]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

OMG, now we’re “delusional”? Why does an average cart driver need 80 miles? As we said even 50 is great. Plug it in for a few hours and Bam, a full tank. I guess that’s what we get for trying to be helpful and post our experience with our new lithium cart. And NOW you state to provide facts??? OMG. And if you’d take the time to read my initial post, I stated our previous cart was Battery, not lithium.

[biker1]

People often fear what they don’t understand. I believe all of the contemporary lithium-ion battery packs being used in golf carts have an LFP chemistry. A reasonable assumption would be about 2% degradation per year or about 20% in 10 years although the rate can be non linear and also depends on the actual number of charge cycles. Our electric has about a 60 mile range so 20% degradation in 10 years would be fine. In 10 years, the furthest we have ever traveled in 1 day in either our electric cart or our gas cart is 30 miles. We will replace the gas cart with another electric in a couple of years as it is getting a bit long in the tooth.


yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

[golfing eagles]

OMG, now we’re “delusional”? Why does an average cart driver need 80 miles? As we said even 50 is great. Plug it in for a few hours and Bam, a full tank. I guess that’s what we get for trying to be helpful and post our experience with our new lithium cart. And NOW you state to provide facts??? OMG. And if you’d take the time to read my initial post, I stated our previous cart was Battery, not lithium.

If you state that you expect a 50-mile range and may lose range as the battery ages and eventually will need to be replaced in 5-7 years, fine, YOU are NOT delusional

If someone ELSE states that they get 90-mile range, no degradation with an aging battery, and no need to replace until 10+ years, they ARE delusional. I think we'll eventually get there, but it is NOT today

[golfing eagles]

People often fear what they don’t understand. I believe all of the contemporary lithium-ion battery packs being used in golf carts have an LFP chemistry. A reasonable assumption would be about 2% degradation per year or about 20% in 10 years although the rate can be non linear and also depends on the actual number of charge cycles. Our electric has about a 60 mile range so 20% degradation in 10 years would be fine. In 10 years, the furthest we have ever traveled in 1 day in either our electric cart or our gas cart is 30 miles. We will replace the gas cart with another electric in a couple of years as it is getting a bit long in the tooth.

And I'd like to replace my 10-year-old gas cart with electric as well. But I would prefer an 80-mile range, and more than an "assumption" that the battery only degrades 2%/year.

[phylt]

If you state that you expect a 50-mile range and may lose range as the battery ages and eventually will need to be replaced in 5-7 years, fine, YOU are NOT delusional

If someone ELSE states that they get 90-mile range, no degradation with an aging battery, and no need to replace until 10+ years, they ARE delusional. I think we'll eventually get there, but it is NOT today

Oh thanks for the not-delusional remark. Some folks here can be "my views are Correct, and nothing you say will change that". I'm simply providing information regarding US and our experience. But as usual here, it leaves one open for bashing and name-calling. So be it....

[biker1]

Degradation is a function of time, the number of recharge cycles, and whether you abuse the battery. Without knowing how many miles are actually going to be put on a cart it is hard to be more precise than my approximate 2% number. It could be more but could be less. Based on actual usage you can get a more tailored estimate with a minimal amount of effort. 3000-5000 full recharge cycles is often referenced. This would correspond to over 200k miles. The current sweet spot seems to be 160 to 210 amp-hours. This seems to satisfy the range requirements of most buyers. In the event the battery goes prematurely south in 10 years then you can replace it for less than it cost now since prices of lithium-ion batteries will likely continue to decrease.

And I'd like to replace my 10-year-old gas cart with electric as well. But I would prefer an 80-mile range, and more than an "assumption" that the battery only degrades 2%/year.

[Vermilion Villager]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

The OP who got 25 miles range had a 48v battery powered cart. Technically they're both electric vehicles but I think the term "EV" is now more reserved for vehicles that have lithium ion batteries. Most of them now have 200Ah batteries. I've had mine since 2021 and get a steady 70 to 75 miles per charge. I know of a few individuals who purchased lithium powered golf carts way back in 2016 and they are still getting the same range as when new… So your tenure benchmark is coming up real soon.....then what are you going to do????:shrug:

[golfing eagles]

The OP who got 25 miles range had a 48v battery powered cart. Technically they're both electric vehicles but I think the term "EV" is now more reserved for vehicles that have lithium ion batteries. Most of them now have 200Ah batteries. I've had mine since 2021 and get a steady 70 to 75 miles per charge. I know of a few individuals who purchased lithium powered golf carts way back in 2016 and they are still getting the same range as when new… So your tenure benchmark is coming up real soon.....then what are you going to do????:shrug:

Happy to buy electric when it meets that benchmark

[Vermilion Villager]

If you state that you expect a 50-mile range and may lose range as the battery ages and eventually will need to be replaced in 5-7 years, fine, YOU are NOT delusional

If someone ELSE states that they get 90-mile range, no degradation with an aging battery, and no need to replace until 10+ years, they ARE delusional. I think we'll eventually get there, but it is NOT today
I find it entertaining that a person who doesn't even have one of these weighs in with so many posts.....on one of these!
However, I also see you have over 12,000 posts and I'm wondering is the measurement of success come in the form of posting information useful to others based on your factual experience, or is it more driven by the post count? :undecided::posting:

[MikeVillages]

Isn't Village Yamaha a non yamaha dealer and can only sale used Yamahas? Anyway, do your own research. Many of us have seen videos of the blowtorch type flames coming out of lithium battery automobiles. Most people like to think they got the best xyz. I’m concert about charging in a hot TV garage.

[golfing eagles]

I find it entertaining that a person who doesn't even have one of these weighs in with so many posts.....on one of these!
However, I also see you have over 12,000 posts and I'm wondering is the measurement of success come in the form of posting information useful to others based on your factual experience, or is it more driven by the post count? :undecided::posting:

No idea what you are talking about. What is a "post count"???

And, no, I don't own an EV....yet. But I will when it is ready for prime time. Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them.

[Vermilion Villager]

No idea what you are talking about. What is a "post count"???

And, no, I don't own an EV....yet. But I will when it is ready for prime time. Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them.
With all due respect… Almost all of your posts concerning EV's are negative. It doesn't involve much of a forum search to realize that 99%+ of the people who own EV's post positive comments about them.
As I said before EV's are not lead acid battery powered. They are lithium powered.
I watch this forum daily so I also see whats posted. I challenge you to find me five posts in the thousands of posts, where is somebody who actually owns a lithium ion battery powered golf cart posted something negative about it.......

[Vermilion Villager]

Isn't Village Yamaha a non yamaha dealer and can only sale used Yamahas? Anyway, do your own research. Many of us have seen videos of the blowtorch type flames coming out of lithium battery automobiles. Most people like to think they got the best xyz. I’m concert about charging in a hot TV garage.

I think you are correct on Village Yamaha…
I was reading an article about lithium battery fires and it appears a majority of them are caused by people purchasing lower quality battery chargers. The good ones are very expensive. However, the high-end battery chargers have all the safety features the prevent the overcharging and over heating the battery which could lead to a fire.

[golfing eagles]

With all due respect… Almost all of your posts concerning EV's are negative. It doesn't involve much of a forum search to realize that 99%+ of the people who own EV's post positive comments about them.
As I said before EV's are not lead acid battery powered. They are lithium powered.
I watch this forum daily so I also see whats posted. I challenge you to find me five posts in the thousands of posts, where is somebody who actually owns a lithium ion battery powered golf cart posted something negative about it.......

You do realize, as psychiatrists will tell you, that human nature is almost always unwilling to admit that ANY purchase was a mistake---hence a skewed population of posts.

The only two reasons that my EV posts have been negative (so far) are:

1) They are not ready for prime time --both carts and EVs. Of the two, carts are much closer, and lithium ion for those that will use it less than 25-30 miles/day has arrived. Personally I want more range. EVs have a much longer way to go---I want at least a 500 mile range and would prefer 800

2) There is a subset of EV proponents who out of politeness I will only call uninformed and gullible who have been brainwashed into believing that they are saving the planet by not burning fossil fuels. They give a bad name to those who prefer EVs for the quiet and lack of fumes.

[BrianL99]

I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.

I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.

I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.

Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.

The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.

Carts in The Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.

As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.

In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok.

[MikeVillages]

Isn't Village Yamaha a non yamaha dealer and can only sale used Yamahas? Anyway, do your own research. Many of us have seen videos of the blowtorch type flames coming out of lithium battery automobiles. Most people like to think they got the best xyz. I’m concert about charging in a hot TV garage. I misunderstood the OP and didn’t understand that “Custom Drive” is apparently a golf cart brand. They do have a fantastic promotional video. No price given nor the price to replace the Lithium battery which only has a 5 year warranty. I wish the OP the best of luck. Most likely I will not buy one but if I see one in the parking lot, I may come over to talk about the golf cart & get a better look.
Link to the promotional video: https://youtu.be/WY-2Khnm6is

[Vermilion Villager]

You do realize, as psychiatrists will tell you, that human nature is almost always unwilling to admit that ANY purchase was a mistake---hence a skewed population of posts.

The only two reasons that my EV posts have been negative (so far) are:

1) They are not ready for prime time --both carts and EVs. Of the two, carts are much closer, and lithium ion for those that will use it less than 25-30 miles/day has arrived. Personally I want more range. EVs have a much longer way to go---I want at least a 500 mile range and would prefer 800

2) There is a subset of EV proponents who out of politeness I will only call uninformed and gullible who have been brainwashed into believing that they are saving the planet by not burning fossil fuels. They give a bad name to those who prefer EVs for the quiet and lack of fumes.
OH HOLD ON NOW!!!!!!
You justified your negative posts by saying in post #26 "Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them."
I asked you to back up that statement by providing just a couple of negative posts by these people because no one can seem to find them but you.
Now you're saying it's actually your own biased against them, including bashing people who own them as being delusional, and then your most recent post call them brainwashed and gullible…

On a positive.......you now have 12,335 posts.....WooHoo!!!!!

[Mleeja]

I am glad that the original poster is happy with their purchase and they are sharing their experience. There is always going to be criticism and haters telling you are wrong. When it comes time to replace our carts I will seriously look at a cart with a lithium battery. We currently have one gas and one standard 48 volt battery cart. I prefer driving the electric because it is so much quieter. However, as with the OP, we get between 25 and 30 miles on a full charge. I wouldn’t think about using this cart to make a trip from Santiago to Brownwood.

[phylt]

I misunderstood the OP and didn’t understand that “Custom Drive” is apparently a golf cart brand. They do have a fantastic promotional video. No price given nor the price to replace the Lithium battery which only has a 5 year warranty. I wish the OP the best of luck. Most likely I will not buy one but if I see one in the parking lot, I may come over to talk about the golf cart & get a better look.
Link to the promotional video: https://youtu.be/WY-2Khnm6is

I'm the OP. The video linked above is for the 'original' C2 model. They now have the updated C4, which is what we got. C4 is rated up to 90 miles, and from our driving it sure appears to be so. The on-board charging is fantastic. Along with all the great features it provides, it's so smooth and of course quiet. The monitor with the rearview camera is better than our car has. The power steering is great. The best in my opinion is when driving on the golf course, you just keep the cart in Drive. No need to apply the brake unless going downhill at a speed. The cart has regenerative braking so let up on the accel pedal and the cart automatically slows while proving power back to the lithium battery. Most holes, just press the accel pedal and coast/stop at the tee box, and it automatically applies the brake quietly. Then get in, press the accel and you're off again. It's a dream.
Couple negatives - the seats are still kinda hard, although great quality. And they do not adjust - some may find the seating to close/far. It's fine for us, but she uses a lumbar pillow to move her closer to the pedals. The included radio/sound system (part of the monitor screen) has a terrible speaker. There is a costly option for them to install a separate speaker. I simply installed a Bluetooth speaker bar with music files on a TF card. perfect.
We absolutely feel that we made the right decision and so very pleased. I won't post the price (as it may change) but it was many $1,000s less than a standard new cart. It was truly a bargain IMO.

[Topspinmo]

OMG, now we’re “delusional”? Why does an average cart driver need 80 miles? As we said even 50 is great. Plug it in for a few hours and Bam, a full tank. I guess that’s what we get for trying to be helpful and post our experience with our new lithium cart. And NOW you state to provide facts??? OMG. And if you’d take the time to read my initial post, I stated our previous cart was Battery, not lithium.

Lithium not battery? :shocked:

[MorTech]

If you state that you expect a 50-mile range and may lose range as the battery ages and eventually will need to be replaced in 5-7 years, fine, YOU are NOT delusional

If someone ELSE states that they get 90-mile range, no degradation with an aging battery, and no need to replace until 10+ years, they ARE delusional. I think we'll eventually get there, but it is NOT today

Who's Delusional? What is your CV?

Even old Tesla batteries are 15 years old and lost less than 20% in 250K miles.

The latest LFP battery technology has an estimates calendar life of 16 years...NMC even more.

The latest NMC batteries with single crystal material and advanced electrolyte and gimped to 3.8V are estimated to last at least 40 years.

[MorTech]

Isn't Village Yamaha a non yamaha dealer and can only sale used Yamahas? Anyway, do your own research. Many of us have seen videos of the blowtorch type flames coming out of lithium battery automobiles. Most people like to think they got the best xyz. I’m concert about charging in a hot TV garage.

TVGC has sold 1000s of lithium carts in TV over the last 8 years (There are also 1000s of Teslas in TV). Call TV Public Safety and ask them about lithium battery fires.

[MorTech]

Lithium Ion lecture for techies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i31x5JW361k

[biker1]

Yes, the number of Teslas in The Villages is impressive. There are 4 on my street of about 45 houses. There will soon be 5 as I am waiting for the Model Y refresh to become available. The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world (gas or electric). I am typically not an early adopter of disruptive technologies. Lithium-ion powered golf carts and cars have now moved past the early adopter stage and into the mainstream. While I still like our gas Yamaha golf cart, our electric golf cart is superior in most ways. The only real advantage of our gas cart is the 250+ range vs. 60 mile range of our electric cart but that is essentially irrelevant for us since we never come close to 60 miles in a day. I suspect that new gas cart sales will essentially drop to less than a third within the next 5 years in The Villages.

TVGC has sold 1000s of lithium carts in TV over the last 8 years (There are also 1000s of Teslas in TV). Call TV Public Safety and ask them about lithium battery fires.

[Southwest737]

My EZGO is 8 years old. Never been in the shop. Range is still 70-80 miles. Small amount of battery degradation. The auto brake feature is great. Wouldn’t own anything else.

[golfing eagles]

OH HOLD ON NOW!!!!!!
You justified your negative posts by saying in post #26 "Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them."
I asked you to back up that statement by providing just a couple of negative posts by these people because no one can seem to find them but you.
Now you're saying it's actually your own biased against them, including bashing people who own them as being delusional, and then your most recent post call them brainwashed and gullible…

On a positive.......you now have 12,335 posts.....WooHoo!!!!!

Nice try, however, here is what I ACTUALLY posted.

1) to answer the first part: Look at the number of posts BY EV OWNERS stating they get 25,35 and 50 miles/charge. Sorry, I want more. And if you look back 3 whole posts, you find this from an EV owner:

"I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.
I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.
I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.
Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.
The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.
Carts in The Villages Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.
As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.
In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok."

2) I DID NOT call all EV owners "delusional", I posted anyone who thinks the get 90 miles/charge, no battery degradation and a lifetime of over 10 years is delusional.

3) I DID NOT call all EV owners gullible and brainwashed---only anybody who thinks that changing from ICE to EV has anything to do with so-called "global warming" and think they are saving the planet.

4) I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession with post count is all about

Next time please try to get it right.

[Glowfromminnesota]

yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

Same here. We really like the lithium battery. My husband replaced our standard cell batteries with a lithium.

[Susan1717]

Are these electric carts equipped with some thing that shows you how many more miles you can go on a charge? May sound silly but I’m trying to compare to a gas golf cart where you just look at a gauge or in the tank and you know exactly what you have. I love my Yamaha gas cart and just don’t see me ever making a switch. I don’t mind any noise either, but that’s just me as I love the big engine sound of a fast boat or Harley motorcycle.

[Ducatigator]

Congratulations! Love it. Village Discount is an awesome place. I bought my Tomberlin there. Chris is my guy. They have several locations. He is in the Lady Lake location near Aldis. Their service is excellent. Super responsive. I bought my Tomberlin there and my friend bought an Atlas. The Custom drives are packed with features. They are coming out with the 4 forward this summer. We have one on pre-order. You can not get another cart with more features for the money. I tried getting an Evolution TWICE but it is super hard to get the 210 battery. They come standard with a 105 and easier to upgrade to their 160.

Gas/electric is a personal preference. I personally like electric because I like the smooth, quiet ride, and no smell. Also, no annual maintenance necessary except maybe tires and lubing the brakes, which is true of gas or electric. The torque going up the hills is crazy good. No lag like gas. So, I have friends theat have the Evolution D5 and a Yamaha gas. Both 4 forward. They like the Yamaha more only because they have more comfortable seats, not because of engine or range.

Now, before anyone claims they "know" electric doesn't have range, here is the truth from someone that actually drives his cart all day and puts lots of miles on.

As I mentioned, I have a Tomberlin Emerge 2+2. Comes standard with a 210 battery. That is the key! 210 is a must have. I live in south, south Dabney. Like 370 south. The end. Lol. I can go from here to the Polo Club, play a round of golf, get to Sumpter for drinks, and back home and still have over 30% left. Oh, by the way, that is going full speed with 4 adults in the cart. Furthermore, I bought it in March and have over 2000 miles on it. So, in the end, if you have a 210 battery, you can get ALL over the Villages and not worry.

So if you want to explore lithium carts, here are the ones that offer it.

Tomberlin Emerge/Engage
Custom Drive c2/c4
Bintelli Beyond
Evolution D5 , if you can get one. Back ordered until the fall. (The 210 battery)

If you get a 160 lithium you may run in a bit of trouble if you go from one end (Dabney to Spanish Springs) and back, fully loaded and top speed. Might limp home.

But for most Villagers, they don't do more than 40 round trip.

And you know they say a Village home is about having 1 car, 2 carts. I recommend to split the difference. 1 gas, 1 lithium. Then you have the best of both worlds.

Regardless, I always end with, we live in absolute Paradise. This place is amazing. Get whatever cart you want, and just smile and enjoy we you live and play every day.

Everyone have a blessed Sunday. Thank you Tvflguy for the post. Good recommendation. I like the Custom Drive and the team at Village Discount. Enjoy it in good health.

Be safe
Thanks
Serge

[Bill14564]

Are these electric carts equipped with some thing that shows you how many more miles you can go on a charge? May sound silly but I’m trying to compare to a gas golf cart where you just look at a gauge or in the tank and you know exactly what you have. I love my Yamaha gas cart and just don’t see me ever making a switch. I don’t mind any noise either, but that’s just me as I love the big engine sound of a fast boat or Harley motorcycle.

The electric carts have the same sort of thing for showing remaining miles that your gas Yamaha has... or at least some gas Yamahas have. My gas Yamaha does not have a gas gauge in the dash and the one in the tank hasn't worked for years.

Gas cart: Keep the tank more than half full and you won't run out of fuel
Lithium cart: Plug it in every night and the vast majority of us won't run out of fuel
Lead acid: No experience, no idea

[Ducatigator]

Are these electric carts equipped with some thing that shows you how many more miles you can go on a charge? May sound silly but I’m trying to compare to a gas golf cart where you just look at a gauge or in the tank and you know exactly what you have. I love my Yamaha gas cart and just don’t see me ever making a switch. I don’t mind any noise either, but that’s just me as I love the big engine sound of a fast boat or Harley motorcycle.

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

[Joe C.]

Wow !!! All the arguments and disagreements ....... All I can say is "If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, buy something else.
Different strokes for different folks.

[BrianL99]

The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world (gas or electric).


Oh yeah, they're killing it in the USA. They have almost 4% of the market and slashing prices ever couple of month to get rid of inventory. Without government incentives, they wouldn't have managed to break 1% of the market.

(& Tesla doesn't have a vehicle in the Top 5 in the USA)

[golfing eagles]

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

[Windguy]

When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in.

Why would you need to go 80 miles in a little cart? That’s four hours of driving!

[MX rider]

We have a 2018 Yamaha and love it. But if we were buying new right now, I'd absolutely consider a lithium cart.
Contrary to what some here are saying , range isn't an issue anymore. Plus, the lifespan of lithium is much better and continues to improve.

Btw, as far as the fire argument goes, every cart fire we've seen reported in the 2 plus years we've been here has been a gas cart.

To the naysayers, welcome to 2024. EV's are here and they ain't going away.
For many people, some we know personally they're a great fit. We're actually looking at a Toyota plug in hybrid. We feel it's the best of both worlds for us since we go back and forth to Indiana a few times a year.

[PoolBrews]

And BTW we DO NOT Blindly Repeat - that is so demeaning....

I was not demeaning you at all. Unless you physically have driven your cart 90 miles on a single charge then, by definition, you are blindly repeating what you were told by either the manufacturer or the salesman.

I was simply pointing out that range given by ALL manufacturers is a best case scenario under ideal conditions - none of which will ever be met by the consumer. The actual range is always less (and many times far less) than the stated range. I would prefer that folks post the actual range for a given percentage of charge they have obtained with their cart so others looking at the cart can make an educated decision.

When discussing range, you can't use a number that takes the battery down to 0%. Doing that will damage the battery over time. Lithiums are great, but do not like to ever be completely discharged. Most golf carts will have a safety feature built in where the top speed of the golf cart gets limited when a given % is reached. For most carts, this is set at 10%, and when the battery hits this, top speed will be reduced by 50% or more to both extend your range so you get home, and to warn you that you need to plug it in ASAP. Range prediction should always be predicated based on using a maximum of 90% of battery capacity.

[phylt]

Nice try, however, here is what I ACTUALLY posted.

1) to answer the first part: Look at the number of posts BY EV OWNERS stating they get 25,35 and 50 miles/charge. Sorry, I want more. And if you look back 3 whole posts, you find this from an EV owner:

"I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.
I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.
I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.
Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.
The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.
Carts in The Villages Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.
As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.
In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok."

2) I DID NOT call all EV owners "delusional", I posted anyone who thinks the get 90 miles/charge, no battery degradation and a lifetime of over 10 years is delusional.

3) I DID NOT call all EV owners gullible and brainwashed---only anybody who thinks that changing from ICE to EV has anything to do with so-called "global warming" and think they are saving the planet.

4) I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession with post count is all about

Next time please try to get it right.


Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

[lawgolfer]

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

Part of the bargain price you paid is that your cart does not have a canvas enclosure for when it rains. I'm certain that Villages Discount has them available. Unless you want to arrive at your destination looking like a cat that was dunked in the swimming pool, you'll need the enclosure.

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. I expect that lithium battery carts will dominate the market in the not-too-distant future. People seem to be overly concerned about a cart's "range". In reality, the range of an old lead-acid 48V cart is more than sufficient for all reasonable purposes, provided it is charged every night. There are few people like Serge who drive their cart from Dabney to Spanish Springs and back. That is akin to cruel and unusual punishment in any brand of cart.

The concern about the newness of the manufacturer and the future availability of parts is legitimate. My bigger concern is that, with the exception of the very expensive Tomberlin, I've not found a cart, other than the Yamaha with independent rear suspension, that doesn't ride like an unsprung buckboard (the truth be known, even the Yamaha isn't all that smooth over bumps)

[phylt]

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

Here's a pic of our monitor screen on our new Custom Drive...

[Altavia]

I was not demeaning you at all. Unless you physically have driven your cart 90 miles on a single charge then, by definition, you are blindly repeating what you were told by either the manufacturer or the salesman.

I was simply pointing out that range given by ALL manufacturers is a best case scenario under ideal conditions - none of which will ever be met by the consumer. The actual range is always less (and many times far less) than the stated range. I would prefer that folks post the actual range for a given percentage of charge they have obtained with their cart so others looking at the cart can make an educated decision.

When discussing range, you can't use a number that takes the battery down to 0%. Doing that will damage the battery over time. Lithiums are great, but do not like to ever be completely discharged. Most golf carts will have a safety feature built in where the top speed of the golf cart gets limited when a given % is reached. For most carts, this is set at 10%, and when the battery hits this, top speed will be reduced by 50% or more to both extend your range so you get home, and to warn you that you need to plug it in ASAP. Range prediction should always be predicated based on using a maximum of 90% of battery capacity.

Agree, this is reality.

We have a 5 yo EZGO RXV with 28,000 mi on the odometer. No perceptible difference in range so far.

The charge meter drops roughly 1/4 for every 15 mi.

I start to get range anxiety when the charge meter drops below 1/4 which is around 45 mi. Never pushed it into limp mode.

[phylt]

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Not really 'GE'. Your past combative comments were like YOU are a cat person. And anyone that loves dogs is on the wrong side. Like... How can you like DOGS? they need walks a couple times per day... they slobber...they shed....they can pee in the house....they need haircuts...they..yada yada yada.

Slam any dog owners or those contemplating getting a dog with your views. Call them Delusional if they consider a dog...

So, NOT like cats vs dogs.... nice try...

[MorTech]

You can easily calculate your watt-hours per mile using a $30 Kill-A-Watt meter from Amazon/Lowes/HD/Ace.
Or maybe this:

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Brighter-Consumption-Electricity-Protection/dp/B08ZD7YL54/ref=asc_df_B08ZD7YL54/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693392717738&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14310291815614509937&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9011519&hvtargid=pla-1951736141183&mcid=6541a0bde1cb35b49bcace690e2e36b1&gad_source=1&th=1

If not, then use 120 watt-hours per mile or 2.5ah which is typical.

210ah / 2.5ah per mile = 84 miles of range.

The EZGO RXV Elite is quite efficient at about 85 watt-hours per mile.

[phylt]

Part of the bargain price you paid is that your cart does not have a canvas enclosure for when it rains. I'm certain that Villages Discount has them available. Unless you want to arrive at your destination looking like a cat that was dunked in the swimming pool, you'll need the enclosure.

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. I expect that lithium battery carts will dominate the market in the not-too-distant future. People seem to be overly concerned about a cart's "range". In reality, the range of an old lead-acid 48V cart is more than sufficient for all reasonable purposes, provided it is charged every night. There are few people like Serge who drive their cart from Dabney to Spanish Springs and back. That is akin to cruel and unusual punishment in any brand of cart.

The concern about the newness of the manufacturer and the future availability of parts is legitimate. My bigger concern is that, with the exception of the very expensive Tomberlin, I've not found a cart, other than the Yamaha with independent rear suspension, that doesn't ride like an unsprung buckboard (the truth be known, even the Yamaha isn't all that smooth over bumps)



So TOTALLY WRONG!!!

Ours came with a custom GREAT Sunbrella - INCLUDED with the new cart. The 466 Sales Center had 5 huge books of available Sunbrella fabrics - just like ordering wallpaper. My wife poured over the books and choose two fabrics - one for the sunbrella body and other for the piping. It took 3 weeks for it to come in. They picked up our new cart, installed at their main office and back to us. The Sunbrella is such great quality - blown away.

The suspension on our Custom Drive is great. Smooth and soaks up the bumps nicely. I looked all around the undercarriage and the apparent quality and sturdiness of the build is fabulous.

[huge-pigeons]

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

[bragones]

Both Star and Atlas are between $5K-$10K more than a comparable Evolution D5. In addition, the D5 has more features than either of them. Do yourself a favor and at least drive all of them and compare before a purchase.

I love my Evolution D5 with a 204 AMP battery. Supposed to get 70 miles but I've never run the battery under 60%, having travelled 30+ miles. It has a backup camera, forward facing rear seats, bluetooth soundbar, digital display dash for battery level and speed, high/low beams, self-cancelling directionals, 14 inch tires, and a great led lighting option if you are into that. So far, no maintenance or issues.

[sowilts]

70-, 80- and 90-mile range----wait for it to be a few years old and see if that holds
Have an EZGO Elite Lithium. Just went over 5000 miles and battery range remains the same. Use it mostly for going to the store for my wife’s cooking needs and playing golf. Travel 19 miles one way to Nancy Lopez. If someone buys any type of cart and they enjoy it, what does it concern anyone else. Same discussion when someone wants to share a new cart that may be perfect for another. Too many complaints just taking up space on the forum.

[Tvflguy]

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

Yet again, the Know-it-Alls. Our Tesla battery can be charged to 100% as recommended by Tesla. And use all the electrons down to Zero if needed. Exact same with our Custom Drive golf cart. The tech of new lithium batteries is fantastic. And we leave our garage with 100% full tank if we decide to charge overnight. OMG, can’t leave the plugged in? And your comment re Snow bird leaving a cart plugged in? Is that the best you can come up with? And the toxic waste thing is old news. All lithium batteries are recycled and not simply dumped. Please get the facts right.
Oh, and if our cart does need to be charged (even with up to 90 mile range). The AC cord is in the Frunk and simply lug into any 110v outlet.
Jeeeez.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, the number of Teslas in The Villages is impressive. There are 4 on my street of about 45 houses. There will soon be 5 as I am waiting for the Model Y refresh to become available. The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world (gas or electric). I am typically not an early adopter of disruptive technologies. Lithium-ion powered golf carts and cars have now moved past the early adopter stage and into the mainstream. While I still like our gas Yamaha golf cart, our electric golf cart is superior in most ways. The only real advantage of our gas cart is the 250+ range vs. 60 mile range of our electric cart but that is essentially irrelevant for us since we never come close to 60 miles in a day. I suspect that new gas cart sales will essentially drop to less than a third within the next 5 years in The Villages.


Depends on which street go down. None on my street. I doubt there are 1000s in villages. Hundreds maybe. Ok 1001 maybe. As for golf carts who cares buy want you want.

[Kelevision]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

I’ve been using my EZ-GO lithium for 3 years now and have never even used 1/2 the tank of “fuel” (charge) in a single outing. I guess if someone did nothing but drive around all day and never stopped for 10 hours you may need a charge. But even then, probably not. I was originally getting the Yamaha everyone has but gross, the fumes were disgusting and it wasn’t “quiet”

[OhioBuckeye]

I take it you haven’t bought a lithium battery then?

[sowilts]

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.
Yes, and my EZGO lithium went 60 miles and the Green went to Yellow on the steering column. I stopped riding in circles trying to obtain my favorite colour, red, but gave up and convinced my stubbornness and it would go over 60 miles. I rarely go over 30 miles and i go where i need to go. I have a charger in the garage and it stops when full. The only examples of carts on fire were gas carts. No maintenance and rubber gas lines and a very hot engine don’t seem good to me. I worked in NJ pumping gas and static can also cause gas to ignite. That is why one has to stay out of the vehicle while filling up the tank

[Bill14564]

I take it you haven’t bought a lithium battery then?

Who are you referring to?

[biker1]

The 80% recommended charge limit is typically for the NMC chemistry. I believe you will find that most, perhaps all, golf cart battery packs are LFP, which are fine with 100% charging.

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

[Tvflguy]

The 80% recommended charge limit is typically for the NMC chemistry. I believe you will find that most, perhaps all, golf cart battery packs are LFP, which are fine with 100% charging.

Absolutely correct. It’s so easy to charge and the new tech is infallible. At least to those that know the facts and not simply their hyperbole.

[Aviator1211]

I'm going on 5 years now with my Lithium. Zero degradation. Love my quiet, low maintenance, low operating cost lithium cart. I'll never go back to stinky, noisy, expensive, inconvenient gas.

Gas carts will soon be as difficult to dispose of as a picture tube TV.

[Glowing Horizon]

yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

Watch some videos about fire response to lithium ion battery fires. The fires are difficult to extinguish & burn very hot. Can ignite spontaneously even if not charging. Scary stuff.

[biker1]

The Tesla Model Y was best selling car in the world in 2023. It was #2 in the US in 2023 behind the RAV4. For Q1 2024 in the US, it looks like the Model Y was still #2 behind the RAV4. The big three pickup trucks are still the top three vehicles in sales, as they have been for some time. Please provide a reference to prove your assertion about the impact of incentives. By the way, the Government provides a number of incentives for you to do a lot of things, such as buy a house.


Oh yeah, they're killing it in the USA. They have almost 4% of the market and slashing prices ever couple of month to get rid of inventory. Without government incentives, they wouldn't have managed to break 1% of the market.

(& Tesla doesn't have a vehicle in the Top 5 in the USA)

[golfing eagles]

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

Unbelievable. I guess reading comprehension is no longer considered a priority.

I CLEARLY stated that the gullible and brainwashed are those that think EV's will save the planet----and APPLAUDED those that like the quiet and lack of fumes. GEEZ. I, like a poster above, are looking at the RAV 4 plug in hybrid, and like others I will probably buy lithium cart when the range is RELIABLE, does not DEGRADE with age and gets 70-80 miles/charge.

So, I"M NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO "LET IT GO"

[golfing eagles]

Not really 'GE'. Your past combative comments were like YOU are a cat person. And anyone that loves dogs is on the wrong side. Like... How can you like DOGS? they need walks a couple times per day... they slobber...they shed....they can pee in the house....they need haircuts...they..yada yada yada.

Slam any dog owners or those contemplating getting a dog with your views. Call them Delusional if they consider a dog...

So, NOT like cats vs dogs.... nice try...

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

[MX rider]

Watch some videos about fire response to lithium ion battery fires. The fires are difficult to extinguish & burn very hot. Can ignite spontaneously even if not charging. Scary stuff.

Can you give me one example of a lithium cart anywhere in TV catching fire? Every cart fire I've seen or read about since we've owned here has been a gas cart! And we own a gas cart.

The fact is lithium battery fires are very rare. Kinda like getting hit by lightening.

[UpNorth]

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Ford vs Chevy back in the day.:laugh:

[Tvflguy]

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

YOU——
Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

ME——
My metaphor was in response to your simple “bottom line” thing. My response countered how this was so wrong. You may think it was “ ridiculous”, but does relate to some of your comments.
I think it’s time to give it up. So many frank and honest posts here countering your comments.
Hmm wonder what your post count is now.

[jimjamuser]

What's that thing in the front? An airbag?:o No offense, but that is one ugly cart. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder :shrug:
Looks like a front bumper to me.

[golfing eagles]

YOU——
Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

ME——
My metaphor was in response to your simple “bottom line” thing. My response countered how this was so wrong. You may think it was “ ridiculous”, but does relate to some of your comments.
I think it’s time to give it up. So many frank and honest posts here countering your comments.
Hmm wonder what your post count is now.

Still ridiculous, but I guess I'll have to explain it.

Dog people vs cat people: An age-old debate where 2 sides can go round and round forever, and nobody is going to change anyone's mind.

Gas vs electric: A much newer debate where, as this thread proves, 2 sides can go around forever and nobody changes their mind.

Pretty simple, as simple as I can make it. Any questions?

[roob1]

But you did reply WTF! Best to ignore eagles who golf...PITA! Opinion on everything. Must spend all day here responding......

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

[golfing eagles]

But you did reply WTF! Best to ignore eagles who golf...PITA! Opinion on everything. Must spend all day here responding......

Only when not making eagles. And of course, we all know that nobody ever posts their opinion on TOTV. What a rube. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Vermilion Villager]

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.
Sorry your self made facts are wrong.
1. Lithium batteries are designed to accept a full charge. According to manufacture the recommendation is to charge it after every use. I've done this for over two years and my battery performs like today it was new.
2. You stated in your post to ask a person who owns a lithium powered golf cart. Well I have a lithium powered golf cart, and although the advertise mileage was around 80 miles per charge I'll get 70+ miles after two years. That hasn't changed from the date it was brand new. It is 87% of the advertised value. I would fault the manufacturers claim the values than the actual performance of the battery.
3. I'll leave mine on the charger plugged in until I'm ready to use it. That is the recommendation from the manufacture. There has been times where I've unplugged it because I didn't want to trip over the cord and several days later it still has all of its charge. Plug-in chargers that come with the unit have a trickle charge capability. I do not know of one person and I challenge you to provide one person who has had their lithium battery damaged by charging it.
3. Your statement that if you forget to plug it in you will not have a charge when you need it is laughable. That's like saying if you don't have any money for your green fees because you forgot your wallet and then you couldn't play golf!!! If you didn't put gas in your golf cart you would need to make an emergency run to the gas station to put gas in it. I don't know if you realize gas stations are not on every corner in the villages. The solution for that is… Don't forget! The nice thing about electric if you simply plug it in at night and the next morning you will have a 100% fuel charge.
4. This is probably the most incorrect statement of them all. There are numerous lithium battery recycling companies and several of them are located right here in Florida. Lithium powered batteries are 100% recyclable

[phylt]

Looks like a front bumper to me.

It is, and very protective. We put a license plate on it to minimize the look of a Jimmy Durante nose...

[FredMitchell]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.
How much is an oil change, including oil filter and air filter? How often? How about the exhaust system? What can an owner of a Yamaha expect to spend per year on maintenance and repairs?

I have had a Star for two plus years now. I usually run it most of the week - daily without charging and have never actually run it below half charge. An 80-90 range, say 5 hours, would not surprise me in my experience. No, I have no interest in driving one for an hour to get some place that is a 15-20 minute car ride, The only repair was replacing the turn signal shutoff - under warranty. The only Yamahas that I drove before moving down here permanently either did not have an auto shutoff or it did not work either.

The noisiest part of the Star experience is the tires on the road, unless I turn up the bluetooth music. No smell. No pad under it against oil leaks. No oil or water levels to check. No driving to gas stations for refueling.

As to your comment, you actually have no reported experience or data to back up your "delusional" name calling. Maybe an apology would be in order.

[huge-pigeons]

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

[phylt]

Still ridiculous, but I guess I'll have to explain it.

Dog people vs cat people: An age-old debate where 2 sides can go round and round forever, and nobody is going to change anyone's mind.

Gas vs electric: A much newer debate where, as this thread proves, 2 sides can go around forever and nobody changes their mind.

Pretty simple, as simple as I can make it. Any questions?


Yes, your postings were FUD (fear/uncertainty/doubt) re LITHIUM. Not ready for prime time, the hazards, the incorrect range etc etc, Yeah pretty simple.

So many posts here have rebutted your arguments, but STILL....

Yes we can have Opinions, but to disparage others - even with FACTS has gotten very old. Give it up.

[phylt]

Only when not making eagles. And of course, we all know that nobody ever posts their opinion on TOTV. What a rube. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.

[Vermilion Villager]

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.
Question?
Do you own a EV? Either a lithium powered golf cart, or an EV automobile?????
FYI.... the OP is about golf carts....not Teslas

[phylt]

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

All true - BUT LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate)batteries on EVs, like our Tesla, CAN, and SHOULD be charged to 100%. Tesla states to Charger to 100% at least once per week to maintain battery health - this is for LFP primarily. The reason to charge an LFP battery to 100% once a week is to recalibrate the Battery Management System and to balance the charge across all the cells. The voltage of an LFP cell varies very little between 90% and 100%, so the BMS needs an occasional 100% charge to recalibrate.

SAME for our Custom Drive Lithium Cart. Simply plug it in and forget it. The battery management system does it all.

[MX rider]

All true - BUT LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate)batteries on EVs, like our Tesla, CAN, and SHOULD be charged to 100%. Tesla states to Charger to 100% at least once per week to maintain battery health - this is for LFP primarily. The reason to charge an LFP battery to 100% once a week is to recalibrate the Battery Management System and to balance the charge across all the cells. The voltage of an LFP cell varies very little between 90% and 100%, so the BMS needs an occasional 100% charge to recalibrate.

SAME for our Custom Drive Lithium Cart. Simply plug it in and forget it. The battery management system does it all.

Shame on you for bringing actual real world experience and facts to the discussion!
Don't you know we have some regulars on here that are too smart for that bs. lol

Bottom line, with almost all the newer ev's you just plug them in and forget it. As you said, the charging system manages it. Just like a big Battery tender, they've been around forever.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, your postings were FUD (fear/uncertainty/doubt) re LITHIUM. Not ready for prime time, the hazards, the incorrect range etc etc, Yeah pretty simple.

So many posts here have rebutted your arguments, but STILL....

Yes we can have Opinions, but to disparage others - even with FACTS has gotten very old. Give it up.

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.


Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

[Susanmr]

I've want to type that, at least 5 times today.

Thanks for saving everyone the trouble, because I'm sure there were a lot more people in that boat.

Based on the tone of the recommendations, I'd say there was some justifying or quid pro quo going on.
Are you saying that any positive reviews require an ulterior motive? I saw no quid pro quo in those statements. Sad to be so negative all the time...

[Tvflguy]

Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

I think it’s human nature to defend one’s honest personal feelings and opinions. Especially defend against those that may simply desire stir things up using FUD, insults, and false data. Insecure???? Do you know us or simply another striking out?
And that we are insecure with our choice?

Riled up? Well when some people, behind their keyboards, happily fling insults and lies….
Simply defending ourselves with facts.

Your “work” here hopefully IS done. Yep a true Piece of Work….
On a positive note for you, your post count went up by, what? 15?

Goodbye. But I truly doubt that will be it…

[jimjamuser]

And I'd like to replace my 10-year-old gas cart with electric as well. But I would prefer an 80-mile range, and more than an "assumption" that the battery only degrades 2%/year.
To me,the most important advantage of an E-cart or vehicle over a reciprocating gas or diesel vehicle is greater reliability due to fewer parts and a circular moving motor (not slamming up and down with pistons). I can think of many more advantages, but that would be #1 with me.

[jimjamuser]

#2) Lower center of gravity, which means greater acceleration, deceleration (braking), and cornering.
.......#3 ) Quieter and no smelly exhaust or wasted time in gas station lines.

[jimjamuser]

#4 ) High instant torque electrical motor accelerates quicker and smoother. Both motor and batteries are mounted way lower than possible with a reciprocating engine.
.......#5 Zero pollution at the vehicle. And at the electrical generation plant it is stationary so it can have HUGE smoke and exhaust scrubbers on smokestack.

[jimjamuser]

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

[Tvflguy]

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.

[jimjamuser]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.
In a few years, you could stop for lunch and charge your cart in the SAME time period. Then you have another 60 to 80 miles available. Today if you normally went 50 miles and got worried, you could keep a small Honda gas generator with you as a back-up. I think the MANY POSITIVE ADVANTAGES of an E-vehicle greatly outweighs any disadvantages. 50 miles per day is plenty for most people.

[biker1]

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.


To me,the most important advantage of an E-cart or vehicle over a reciprocating gas or diesel vehicle is greater reliability due to fewer parts and a circular moving motor (not slamming up and down with pistons). I can think of many more advantages, but that would be #1 with me.

[jimjamuser]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.
TV Land is indeed very big and if I were driving every day from the North end to the South end, I would take a car or truck, not a golf cart. In fact, I have found that even 7 miles one way in a gas golf cart was tiring. The constant bumps and vibration was tiring. I preferred to take a trip of 7 miles one way in an automobile for greater comfort. That actually happened!

[jimjamuser]

Oh thanks for the not-delusional remark. Some folks here can be "my views are Correct, and nothing you say will change that". I'm simply providing information regarding US and our experience. But as usual here, it leaves one open for bashing and name-calling. So be it....
Somehow, I can relate to that!

[jimjamuser]

No idea what you are talking about. What is a "post count"???

And, no, I don't own an EV....yet. But I will when it is ready for prime time. Meanwhile, my knowledge about EV's, their range and battery life comes from posts by people who DO own them.
Your post count (and everyone's) is in the upper right corner of your post. Your's is 12,435 as of page 2 on this subject.

[jimjamuser]

I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.

I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.

I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.

Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.

The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.

Carts in The Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.

As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.

In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok.
I think that it is humorous that people are making degrading remarks about an individual going max 17 MPH in their golf cart. That is the speed limit and to exceed it is to over-stress the engine and chassis. Especially when people are drinking, the Police SHOULD control the not-so-better-angels driving around TV Land. Bikers say loud mufflers save lives, which is NOT true. I would say, HOWEVER, that speed limits save lives. Are Villagers lives less important than other peoples lives?

[BrianL99]

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

[Packer Fan]

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

I have a 13 year old Hybrid car and have seen zero battery degradation. I know several Tesla owners with 7 or more years and zero drop in range.

[jimjamuser]

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂
Yes, and some people have both.

[biker1]

My dad (Audi) and brother (BMW) both went over 300k miles and I have a friend (Acura) with over 300k miles, probably approaching 400k if he still has it. There aren’t any diesel golf carts. Do you have a reading comprehension problem as I referenced semis and container ships? Perhaps you should reread the post.


Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

[jimjamuser]

Yes, and my EZGO lithium went 60 miles and the Green went to Yellow on the steering column. I stopped riding in circles trying to obtain my favorite colour, red, but gave up and convinced my stubbornness and it would go over 60 miles. I rarely go over 30 miles and i go where i need to go. I have a charger in the garage and it stops when full. The only examples of carts on fire were gas carts. No maintenance and rubber gas lines and a very hot engine don’t seem good to me. I worked in NJ pumping gas and static can also cause gas to ignite. That is why one has to stay out of the vehicle while filling up the tank
I have NEVER seen people "staying out of the car" while filling the gas tank in Florida ?

[BrianL99]

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

My dad and brother both went over 300k miles and I have a friend with over 300k miles, probably approaching 400k if he still has it. There aren’t any diesel golf carts. Do you have a reading comprehension problem as I referenced semis and container ships? Perhaps you should reread the post.

No sir. I recognize nonsense, as soon as I read it. Don't have to read it a second time.

[biker1]

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles? Is that what you are saying? Well, you are wrong and you are the one who is spouting nonsense, just like you did earlier in the day. Have a good evening and find someone else to spout off to.


No sir. I recognize nonsense, as soon as I read it. Don't have to read it a second time.

[jimjamuser]

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.
Thanks. That makes sense. Maybe I was confusing E-cars and E-carts ?

[jimjamuser]

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.
I am aware of what you are saying about diesel engines. They can have a long life. But, the engines in long haul trucks are built of high quality materials and are designed for long life. And they have relatively low RPMs. Ship engines would be even lower RPMs. Remember the 1st "throw-away" chevy diesel. The gasoline type pistons could not handle the diesel compression stress. If a diesel reciprocating engine with certain quality of parts were to be compared to an Electric vehicle circular rotating motor with the same quality of parts......I believe that the electric vehicle would last longer. So, in this case I believe that BOTH opinions can be true.

[jimjamuser]

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles? Is that what you are saying? Well, you are wrong and you are the one who is spouting nonsense, just like you did earlier in the day. Have a good evening and find someone else to spout off to.
I had a gas Volvo with over 300k on it. It was running well when I sold it.

[BrianL99]

Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles.

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles?


We're down to 300,000 miles now?

That's probably more than a little optimistic for most automobiles, but some folks don't have the financial capability to be buying new cars all the time and have to nurse their old buggy until it drops.

[MorTech]

EZGO and Club Car use NMC battery technology...Most others are LFP.

EZGO uses Samsung SDI NMC cells and as of MY2021 they replaced the "E" series cells with "G" series. The new cells are more robust in every way. I calculated the charging at 0.15C and 4.05V per cell. This is very slow charging to about 90% capacity which will not harm the cells much. No doubt you will get their 80% capacity @ 1000 charge cycles spec (and probably do much better - Perhaps 90%) with the EZGO...That's 48 miles of range at 60,000 miles instead of 60 miles when new. Calendar life should be about 15 years in this application.

LFP batteries have very little voltage drop from 100-0% SOC which makes it difficult to calculate vehicle range. The reason why they want you to charge full all the time is so that the BMS system can recalibrate range. Tesla uses LFP batteries on model 3 and Y Standard Range and NMC batteries on their Long Range.

[MorTech]

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

I can imagine "rolling coal" in a golf cart :)

When I lived in Europe I had a Honda with about 400K miles and It saw the Autobahn almost every day. I suspect the 2025 Camry will be trouble free for 20 years regardless of miles. Elon says Teslas have a million mile chassis so it probably doesn't.

There are very few moving parts to wear on an electric cart...Maybe the motor end bearing and front wheel bearings. The transaxle will last close enough to forever. The EZGO RXV Elite uses reverse motor braking so no brake pads to wear.

[Two Bills]

300k-400k, that's nothing.
I have had the same broom for 20 years.
It's had 17 new heads and 14 new handles.
Still as good as new.


(Trigger.)

[jimjamuser]

I can imagine "rolling coal" in a golf cart :)

When I lived in Europe I had a Honda with about 400K miles and It saw the Autobahn almost every day. I suspect the 2025 Camry will be trouble free for 20 years regardless of miles. Elon says Teslas have a million mile chassis so it probably doesn't.

There are very few moving parts to wear on an electric cart...Maybe the motor end bearing and front wheel bearings. The transaxle will last close enough to forever. The EZGO RXV Elite uses reverse motor braking so no brake pads to wear.
I wonder what happens with the EZGO when the driver just "taps" the brake pedal to get a slight slowdown.It seems like that would confuse the engine and would it reverse for just a short time and then go back to forward. Apparently it works, but i don't see why not have regular friction brakes in combination with motor reversal ?

[Maker]

I wonder what happens with the EZGO when the driver just "taps" the brake pedal to get a slight slowdown.It seems like that would confuse the engine and would it reverse for just a short time and then go back to forward. Apparently it works, but i don't see why not have regular friction brakes in combination with motor reversal ?

The original message was the cart uses reverse motor braking...

That does not mean the motor turns in "reverse". The motor is electronically changed into operating as a generator. The cart's forward motion is now used to drive the motor. Since operating in generator mode, the motor consumes the kinetic energy of movement, converting it into electricity. In other words, the motor becomes a mini power generation plant. The generation slows the cart, and recharges the battery at the same time.
Also called braking regen.
This captures kinetic as electricity to be used to get moving. Net overall saving battery use to extend range.

[DaddyD]

This thread is a perfect example of why "The Villages" / "Villagers" have the negative reputation it / they do amongst the general public.

[MorTech]

I wonder what happens with the EZGO when the driver just "taps" the brake pedal to get a slight slowdown.It seems like that would confuse the engine and would it reverse for just a short time and then go back to forward. Apparently it works, but i don't see why not have regular friction brakes in combination with motor reversal ?

Just as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator the motor braking starts...Pressing the brake pedal just increases motor braking. The only time you really need to use the brake is coming to a complete stop. One-pedal driving is 95%. You have to experience the EZGO RXV Elite...The "brakes" are excellent and very touchy. I would buy one but they cost far more than I am willing to pay. I borrow my neighbor's. I have about $8000 into my cart and that includes the lithium pack I built.

Actually, I think I would buy an Atlas 210ah cart instead of the EZGO...If my name was Rothschild. :)

[MorTech]

I meant to state "1000s of EVs" Not just Teslas.

[MorTech]

400K miles? Just go to cars.com and select all and sort by highest mileage. Most of them are trucks.

[MorTech]

Nuclear waste is stored submerged in water...Why would you submerge a lithium battery in water when you can just recycle it? :)

[UpNorth]

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

Back to that photo of that Custom Drive golf cart. I may be wrong, but it sure looks like one of those cheap carts you can buy direct on the Chinese Alibaba website and others.I would not be surprised if they just have a load of these shipped over and marked way up. Maybe add a few accessory items to make you think that it is made here in the USA.

[jimjamuser]

The original message was the cart uses reverse motor braking...

That does not mean the motor turns in "reverse". The motor is electronically changed into operating as a generator. The cart's forward motion is now used to drive the motor. Since operating in generator mode, the motor consumes the kinetic energy of movement, converting it into electricity. In other words, the motor becomes a mini power generation plant. The generation slows the cart, and recharges the battery at the same time.
Also called braking regen.
This captures kinetic as electricity to be used to get moving. Net overall saving battery use to extend range.
Now that explanation does make a lot of sense. The initial one I read did NOT.

[jimjamuser]

The original message was the cart uses reverse motor braking...

That does not mean the motor turns in "reverse". The motor is electronically changed into operating as a generator. The cart's forward motion is now used to drive the motor. Since operating in generator mode, the motor consumes the kinetic energy of movement, converting it into electricity. In other words, the motor becomes a mini power generation plant. The generation slows the cart, and recharges the battery at the same time.
Also called braking regen.
This captures kinetic as electricity to be used to get moving. Net overall saving battery use to extend range.
I can understand that when you take your foot off of the accelerator the vehicles momentum keeps the motor turning, which then produces current like a generator and that then could help keep the battery charged. BUT, if you then need to make an emergency stop, you would HAVE to put your foot on the BRAKE. And I can't see how you would get enough braking force to stop the vehicle WITHOUT disc or drum brakes. I can see that eventually the turning of the generator would SLOW the vehicle, but not for an emergency stop.

[jimjamuser]

Just as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator the motor braking starts...Pressing the brake pedal just increases motor braking. The only time you really need to use the brake is coming to a complete stop. One-pedal driving is 95%. You have to experience the EZGO RXV Elite...The "brakes" are excellent and very touchy. I would buy one but they cost far more than I am willing to pay. I borrow my neighbor's. I have about $8000 into my cart and that includes the lithium pack I built.

Actually, I think I would buy an Atlas 210ah cart instead of the EZGO...If my name was Rothschild. :)
Thanks, I now understand it a little better. Not perfectly. I probably should GOOGLE it.

[BrianL99]

This thread is a perfect example of why "The Villages" / "Villagers" have the negative reputation it / they do amongst the general public.


You're right about that.

Everywhere I go, I hear people saying ... "those damn Villagers, they can't even decide on whether to own a gas golf cart or an electric golf cart".

[MikeVillages]

I took a test drive today. The C2 is 2 seat, C4 is 4 seats. The acceleration was very quick, the top indicated speed I got was 21 mph. The auto braking was more aggressive than I liked but the salesman said they can adjust that. The included backup camera is useful. Seat Belts are included. A fob is better then a mechanical key imo.

The “sale" price was ~$14,000 + tax for the C2 but many things go on sale & maybe off then back on sale all the time so people feel pressure to buy. Accessories like fender lighting (a must have safety item in my opinion), side rain protection, ect are extra. We would consider it if we did not already have a golf cart but also feel new golf carts are overpriced.

[dewilson58]

I took a test drive today.

How was the ride???

Have not been on an electric that rides as nice as the newer Yamaha's.

Thanks for the info.

[Altavia]

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[Altavia]

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[MikeVillages]

How was the ride???

Have not been on an electric that rides as nice as the newer Yamaha's.

Thanks for the info.
For me, the ride was similar to my 2020 Yamaha quiet tech 2 EFI, two seats. The short wheelbase is very noticeable in both of them. The auto braking is too aggressive but he said they can adjust that. I'm new to golf carts. I went to the Summerfield store. Parking lot is too small but he said I can drive on the public road behind the store but only on that road. I drove on additional roads in the neighborhood to get a better experience.

[dewilson58]

For me, the ride was similar to my 2020 Yamaha quiet tech 2 EFI, two seats. .

:clap2:

[MikeVillages]

:clap2:
Maybe we should get a second opinion. :)

[Tvflguy]

I took a test drive today. The C2 is 2 seat, C4 is 4 seats. The acceleration was very quick, the top indicated speed I got was 21 mph. The auto braking was more aggressive than I liked but the salesman said they can adjust that. The included backup camera is useful. Seat Belts are included. A fob is better then a mechanical key imo.

The “sale" price was ~$14,000 + tax for the C2 but many things go on sale & maybe off then back on sale all the time so people feel pressure to buy. Accessories like fender lighting (a must have safety item in my opinion), side rain protection, ect are extra. We would consider it if we did not already have a golf cart but also feel new golf carts are overpriced.

I’m the OP. The C2 was the first version. Had some issues that were resolved in the updated C4. The C4 is not a four seat. The CD are 2 seaters as far as I know. So the latest version, C4 has a larger rear tub to fit 2 golf bags, the C2 was much smaller. Also some lighting and software was updated on the C4. And the next version is to have a tilt steering wheel, not needed IMO. Side rain protection … the sunbrella was included in the $13,900. No idea why you stated it wasn’t. I had them adjust the top speed to 25, software controlled. It’s perfect at 25 and maintains it great. I had them adjust the regeneration “braking” as initially it was to abrupt. After the adj it’s just like a Tesla now. Really nice. As for price, a month ago when we bought —— the C2 was about 3k less because the small golf bag area is a huge issue and other things that were changed in the C4. So mine was &13,900 including the great perfectly made custom sunbrella. So very happy. And as for the poster saying it looks cheap, I feel the quality of materials and workmanship was excellent. Very solid. If you have doubts give it a look and ride. Really.

[JMintzer]

With all due respect… Almost all of your posts concerning EV's are negative. It doesn't involve much of a forum search to realize that 99%+ of the people who own EV's post positive comments about them.
As I said before EV's are not lead acid battery powered. They are lithium powered.
I watch this forum daily so I also see whats posted. I challenge you to find me five posts in the thousands of posts, where is somebody who actually owns a lithium ion battery powered golf cart posted something negative about it.......

Of course they're going to put up positive posts about their purchase...

To do otherwise would be admitting the made a mistake... And we all know THAT'S not gonna happen...

[JMintzer]

Nice try, however, here is what I ACTUALLY posted.

1) to answer the first part: Look at the number of posts BY EV OWNERS stating they get 25,35 and 50 miles/charge. Sorry, I want more. And if you look back 3 whole posts, you find this from an EV owner:

"I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.
I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.
I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.
Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.
The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.
Carts in The Villages Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.
As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.
In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok."

2) I DID NOT call all EV owners "delusional", I posted anyone who thinks the get 90 miles/charge, no battery degradation and a lifetime of over 10 years is delusional.

3) I DID NOT call all EV owners gullible and brainwashed---only anybody who thinks that changing from ICE to EV has anything to do with so-called "global warming" and think they are saving the planet.

4) I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession with post count is all about

Next time please try to get it right.

#4 is what people do when they have no argument and just think they're being cute while attempting to insult you...

[JMintzer]

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

And GE specifically separated the "greenies" from those who want a quieter cart with no gas smell...

You did read that part, didn't you?

[JMintzer]

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.

Looks like you're joining in on the name-calling fun! Ironic, no?

[JMintzer]

Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

Cat people? Don't get me started on those lunatics! :evil6:

[JMintzer]

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

The future is NOW...

Remind me agian... What type of EV do you own?

[JMintzer]

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.

So you'll just steal someone else's electricity?

[JMintzer]

This thread is a perfect example of why "The Villages" / "Villagers" have the negative reputation it / they do amongst the general public.

You must not spend much time on the internet, especially FaceBook...

This is nothing exceptional, nor different than what goes on everywhere...

[MorTech]

The original message was the cart uses reverse motor braking...

That does not mean the motor turns in "reverse". The motor is electronically changed into operating as a generator. The cart's forward motion is now used to drive the motor. Since operating in generator mode, the motor consumes the kinetic energy of movement, converting it into electricity. In other words, the motor becomes a mini power generation plant. The generation slows the cart, and recharges the battery at the same time.
Also called braking regen.
This captures kinetic as electricity to be used to get moving. Net overall saving battery use to extend range.

...And the energy that cannot be put back into the battery (under hard braking or battery at 100% SOC) is flared-off via a large ceramic resister under the passenger side seat in the EZGO. It is a better idea than flaring heat using a brake pad :)

[Bay Kid]

The EZGO cart seemed to have a jerky cruise speed. None of the competition carts were as nice a ride as the Yamaha for me.

[phylt]

Of course they're going to put up positive posts about their purchase...

To do otherwise would be admitting the made a mistake... And we all know THAT'S not gonna happen...

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"Of course"???? Talk about a generalization of people/posters you don't know or can get inside their heads. "We all know"....
Now we have behindthekeyboard psychologists here on TOTV. If you look at our posts re the purchase and experience of our Custom Drive EV cart, please notice not all our input was rosy....

[MikeVillages]

I took a test drive today. The C2 is 2 seat, C4 is 4 seats. The acceleration was very quick, the top indicated speed I got was 21 mph. The auto braking was more aggressive than I liked but the salesman said they can adjust that. The included backup camera is useful. Seat Belts are included. A fob is better then a mechanical key imo.

The “sale" price was ~$14,000 + tax for the C2 but many things go on sale & maybe off then back on sale all the time so people feel pressure to buy. Accessories like fender lighting (a must have safety item in my opinion), side rain protection, ect are extra. We would consider it if we did not already have a golf cart but also feel new golf carts are overpriced.
I’m the OP. ... No idea why you stated it wasn’t ...
... No idea why you stated … That sounds hostile. I’m on your side. I stated my impression & what the dealer told me. I said “side rain protection” meaning an enclosure. Suggestions, keep your rebuttals short & to your point. Don’t shoot your allies, otherwise you won’t have any.

[Tvflguy]

... No idea why you stated … That sounds hostile. I’m on your side. I stated my impression & what the dealer told me. I said “side rain protection” meaning an enclosure. Suggestions, keep your rebuttals short & to your point. Don’t shoot your allies, otherwise you won’t have any.

Hostile? Simply stating a fact and our experience. So when you went to see - did they say the sunbrella was extra?? Didn’t shoot, simply questioned. Perhaps they changed what is standard. ???? Sorry if my rsp came across as hostile, just perplexed. No mention if the dealer changed pricing etc….

[jimjamuser]

...And the energy that cannot be put back into the battery (under hard braking or battery at 100% SOC) is flared-off via a large ceramic resister under the passenger side seat in the EZGO. It is a better idea than flaring heat using a brake pad :)
I find that very, very interesting. I would love to see circuit diagrams of the EZGO. It must involve a lot of electrical engineering design and is probably WAY more reliable than piston engine carts.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

Karen:

who annointed you the judgement admin for how other people post with quantity and opinion? Old men whining is not attractive. You type like you are trolling for confirmation bias, and you didn't get it. . . too bad. . not everyone is going to agree with you . . and some can out argue you and many are allergic to koolaid, they may be called Luddities, I learned that one the other day, maybe the critic was right?

[JMintzer]

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"Of course"???? Talk about a generalization of people/posters you don't know or can get inside their heads. "We all know"....
Now we have behindthekeyboard psychologists here on TOTV. If you look at our posts re the purchase and experience of our Custom Drive EV cart, please notice not all our input was rosy....

More insults because you cannot form a decent rebuttal...

Funny, I just mentione the psychologists and audiologists on ToTV last night.

I believe you were involved in that thread, as well, no?

Being original in your insults would at least make your posts interesting...

And to think I actually defended you in this thread...