Entrance Gate post update

[villagetinker]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.

[Bill14564]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
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This was a long time coming. I think it was September 2022 when I first heard of the upgrade of the gate software.

This should not affect anyone using the cards issued by the District. On the other hand, software upgrades rarely go as smoothly as planned. I wish they would just get on with it and activate the new software so we would know what is going to break.

[Normal]

RFIDs can be copied. Many have them copied by a reader writer and a sticker chip is inside their mirrors. I’m not sure if they are marked as another type? I agree though a loooong time coming.

[alwann]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.

[Bill14564]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.

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• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
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It appears that way

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.

The answer to your question is on the line immediately below the line you quoted:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.

[JoMar]

The answer to your question is on the line immediately below the line you quoted:

And depending on how you enter, go through the visitor side.....quicker to get in if speed is your need.

[retiredguy123]

I don't understand this thread. I thought they could already disable invalid cards. When I lost a valid card a few years ago, they told me they would disable the lost card and sell me a new one. Will a cloned disc from a valid card still work? What will be changing? Very confusing.

[Pairadocs]

And depending on how you enter, go through the visitor side.....quicker to get in if speed is your need.

Over the last 18 years I have found the NON resident gate is the way to go ! Probably depends on who is manning the gates, time, location, but over all they definitely cater to the public traffic (lawn care, moving vans, appliance repair, visitors,curious, etc.

[villagetinker]

I posted this because there was a recent thread that cloned cards still worked. I have NO idea of how they can tell a valid card from a cloned card, but I am sure there will be many people that will pull up to the reader and the gate will not open and then they will have to push the red button or find their card, in either case I am betting it will slow down the gate access until everyone gets acquainted with the new readers.

[retiredguy123]

I posted this because there was a recent thread that cloned cards still worked. I have NO idea of how they can tell a valid card from a cloned card, but I am sure there will be many people that will pull up to the reader and the gate will not open and then they will have to push the red button or find their card, in either case I am betting it will slow down the gate access until everyone gets acquainted with the new readers.
The message in your original post says nothing about "cloned" cards. It only refers to valid cards. It sounds like they may have lost track of valid vs invalid cards. An invalid card is a card that is not authorized to be used in the system. A clone of a valid card could still be allowed and function like a valid card. They need to clarify this. Very confusing.

[villagetinker]

Interesting point, I absolutely agree with you I mistook "invalid" for cloned or copied cards, so my initial warning may not be anywhere as bad as it could be.

[tophcfa]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.

Shoot the messenger, not, I applaud the news. What’s wrong with only the valid cards given to residents working? I’m glad they have updated the card reading software.

[Mleeja]

I am guessing that there is some type of “check digit” or something similar imbedded in passive RF code in the cards that is currently not being used. The new system will use this “check digit”. When the cards were cloned this extra code was not copied. The folks that have the cloned disk in their mirrors will not work. We will find out real soon. It will be exciting to watch and read!

[Altavia]

I am guessing that there is some type of “check digit” or something similar imbedded in passive RF code in the cards that is currently not being used. The new system will use this “check digit”. When the cards were cloned this extra code was not copied. The folks that have the cloned disk in their mirrors will not work. We will find out real soon. It will be exciting to watch and read!

There is not.

[elevatorman]

What "enhanced functionality" that will benefit the residents is there? It's a gate goes up and down.

[Bill14564]

I posted this because there was a recent thread that cloned cards still worked. I have NO idea of how they can tell a valid card from a cloned card, but I am sure there will be many people that will pull up to the reader and the gate will not open and then they will have to push the red button or find their card, in either case I am betting it will slow down the gate access until everyone gets acquainted with the new readers.

Interesting point, I absolutely agree with you I mistook "invalid" for cloned or copied cards, so my initial warning may not be anywhere as bad as it could be.

It was clear from the discussion by the District in various earlier meetings that they expect cloned cards to stop working when the new software is activated. They may be wrong, we'll have to wait and see, and that is why I wish they would just get on with it so this could be put to bed.

Why might they expect a cloned card to stop working?
1. They may believe that there are cards in circulation that were cloned from cards that are no longer valid. The old original cards were reclaimed long ago but the clones may still work in the system. When the new software is activated for only valid cards, the clones of the invalid cards will no longer work.

2. They may believe that there are dozens or more clones of a single card being used. The software might identify that this single card is being presented at locations that are physically impossible to reach with a single card. For instance, the card may be seen at Spanish Springs, 466, Hillsborough, and Fenney all within ten minutes - something impossible to do with a single card. In this case they may invalidate that card in the system.

3. There may be features of the cards that cannot be cloned but can be identified by the new software. It would then be possible for the software to recognize the difference between an original card and a cloned card and not accept the clone.

For whatever reason, they have expressed their belief that cloned cards will stop working. We will see if they are correct - sometime.

[mikef65]

The project to upgrade was initiated to overcome the original gate system's limit in the number of valid cards. The Villages is a victim of it's own success.

[Bill14564]

What "enhanced functionality" that will benefit the residents is there? It's a gate goes up and down.

The reasoning for the new software was presented at the PWAC and other meetings when the upgrade was proposed - this is why residents should attend those meetings.

Some of the reasons that I recall:
- The number of valid cards had outgrown the capabilities of the old software
- The new software will make it easier to disable invalid cards and since not all the gates are on public roads this will improve security at those other gates
- The new software will allow the use of new readers that are compatible with long-range systems that can work from within the car without the need to roll down a window

[RoadToad]

The message in your original post says nothing about "cloned" cards. It only refers to valid cards. It sounds like they may have lost track of valid vs invalid cards. An invalid card is a card that is not authorized to be used in the system. A clone of a valid card could still be allowed and function like a valid card. They need to clarify this. Very confusing.

Yes, A clone of a valid card could still be allowed and function like a valid card.
Clone is an identical image. If original is still valid in the system, clone will be also.

[Normal]

Yes, A clone of a valid card could still be allowed and function like a valid card.
Clone is an identical image. If original is still valid in the system, clone will be also.

There may be a digital signature if an RIDF is cloned. I would think newer software could pick this up. In other words, every card that is valid would work, but tagged or copied cards would not. The extra digits on stickers would not be ignored and make those clones invalid?

[crash]

The message in your original post says nothing about "cloned" cards. It only refers to valid cards. It sounds like they may have lost track of valid vs invalid cards. An invalid card is a card that is not authorized to be used in the system. A clone of a valid card could still be allowed and function like a valid card. They need to clarify this. Very confusing.

No they are eliminating the ability of the gates to use cloned cards one reason for the update. The other reason is to increase the storage capacity. A cloned card is an invalid card it was not issued by the district.

[GizmoWhiskers]

And depending on how you enter, go through the visitor side.....quicker to get in if speed is your need.
Shhhhh... some things best left a secret.

[allsport]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.
No big deal.

[kendi]

The reasoning for the new software was presented at the PWAC and other meetings when the upgrade was proposed - this is why residents should attend those meetings.

Some of the reasons that I recall:
- The number of valid cards had outgrown the capabilities of the old software
- The new software will make it easier to disable invalid cards and since not all the gates are on public roads this will improve security at those other gates
- The new software will allow the use of new readers that are compatible with long-range systems that can work from within the car without the need to roll down a window

Have had my card for 4 years and it has always worked through the window. Maybe with the new system you won’t have to get as close to the reader for this to work.

[retiredguy123]

No they are eliminating the ability of the gates to use cloned cards one reason for the update. The other reason is to increase the storage capacity. A cloned card is an invalid card it was not issued by the district.
That may not be possible unless they issue new cards. If a valid card and a clone are identical, the software will not do what you said.

[Altavia]

The reasoning for the new software was presented at the PWAC and other meetings when the upgrade was proposed - this is why residents should attend those meetings.

Some of the reasons that I recall:
- The number of valid cards had outgrown the capabilities of the old software
- The new software will make it easier to disable invalid cards and since not all the gates are on public roads this will improve security at those other gates
- The new software will allow the use of new readers that are compatible with long-range systems that can work from within the car without the need to roll down a window

Thanks for the clear explaination Bill. The official communication of this could have been better involving people like you.

I saw a tech installing the long range hardware at a gate near me this week That will be a nice enhancement.

Upgrading these 30+ year old legacy systems is no easy matter, hope it rolls out well.

[Two Bills]

Today is June 1st.
Have any cloned Villagers been locked out?

[M2inOR]

Here is something that may shed some light on cloned cards.

Thereay be two sets of ID numbers. One unclonable, and the other programmable.

A Tag ID (TID) and a separate serial number.

This would use the tag ID (TID) in the transponder along with the serial number. Each RFID chip has a unique serial number that cannot be changed, which identifies the chip as unique. A serial number is then written to the tag's memory. You could read the TID and serial number and make sure there was a correct match, in order to ensure the tag was not cloned.

Imagine true security badges, credit cards, and other IDs in use today for access or spending.

[MikeN]

IMO the residents side gate should go up quicker and the visitor side slower and only when the resident side isn’t in use. Stop these drag racing idiots

[retiredguy123]

Here is something that may shed some light on cloned cards.

Thereay be two sets of ID numbers. One unclonable, and the other programmable.

A Tag ID (TID) and a separate serial number.

This would use the tag ID (TID) in the transponder along with the serial number. Each RFID chip has a unique serial number that cannot be changed, which identifies the chip as unique. A serial number is then written to the tag's memory. You could read the TID and serial number and make sure there was a correct match, in order to ensure the tag was not cloned.

Imagine true security badges, credit cards, and other IDs in use today for access or spending.
There is no question that new cards could be issued that could not be cloned. But, without issuing new cards, can the new software differentiate between a valid working card and a clone?

[Villagesgal]

My cards are 23 years old and we purchased 2 additional cards back then as well so we had one for each car, one for the golf cart and one for the motorcycle. I'm hoping all 4 will still work. Guess I'll find out on Monday. Hopefully their records go back that far. Guess we'll see. Keeping my finger's crossed.

[Two Bills]

IMO the residents side gate should go up quicker and the visitor side slower and only when the resident side isn’t in use. Stop these drag racing idiots

I agree.
So many residents take off from barriers like NASCAR drivers.

[golfing eagles]

Now here's an idea that could be implemented: Only have the red button on the guest entrance side. Force non-residents to go past gate house (where one exists). Would enhance the false appearance of a gated community and perhaps discourage some of those who have no legitimate business entering a residential section. It would be similar to a true gated community where all non-residents have to stop at the gatehouse, except they would not have to be checked in, just waved through or hit the button where there is no gatehouse, or it is unattended. I think the prospect of a clear camera image of their face would also discourage those with ill intent.

Yes, there will be times when a resident drops, fumbles or forgets their card, but then we could ostracize them on social media, as usual :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[asianthree]

Now here's an idea that could be implemented: Only have the red button on the guest entrance side. Force non-residents to go past gate house (where one exists). Would enhance the false appearance of a gated community and perhaps discourage some of those who have no legitimate business entering a residential section. It would be similar to a true gated community where all non-residents have to stop at the gatehouse, except they would not have to be checked in, just waved through or hit the button where there is no gatehouse, or it is unattended. I think the prospect of a clear camera image of their face would also discourage those with ill intent.

Yes, there will be times when a resident drops, fumbles or forgets their card, but then we could ostracize them on social media, as usual :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So 4 gate cards for residents, instead of two would help if red residents button removed. 2 carts, 2cars, or a car and ________.

[Hockeyguy]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.
From working at the gates, my understanding is that the cloned mirror chips will no longer work.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The problem with having non-residents be mechanically forced to go through one gate, and not the other:

Many (MANY) visitors go through the wrong gate. That'd mean - when they get to the wrong gate, they'll now have to back out from their position in front of the gate, so they can get into the correct lane. They can't do that if there's a line of cars behind them.

Imagine the nightmare on 466 if that's how it worked at the Morse gate.

[retiredguy123]

From working at the gates, my understanding is that the cloned mirror chips will no longer work.
So, why can't the software designer do a simple test and publlsh the results explaining why the clones will no longer operate?

[golfing eagles]

The problem with having non-residents be mechanically forced to go through one gate, and not the other:

Many (MANY) visitors go through the wrong gate. That'd mean - when they get to the wrong gate, they'll now have to back out from their position in front of the gate, so they can get into the correct lane. They can't do that if there's a line of cars behind them.

Imagine the nightmare on 466 if that's how it worked at the Morse gate.

I acknowledged that possibility in my post. But as Judge Judy like to state "You can't fix stupid"

[golfing eagles]

So, why can't the software designer do a simple test and publlsh the results explaining why the clones will no longer operate?

Why should they???? People who have these cloned cards just need to know they will no longer work; they don't need to know why. Remember, no one should have a cloned card in the first place.

[GATORBILL66]

So now with rainy season coming, we will have to put our windows down to open the gates. How stupid is this?

[Bill14564]

So now with rainy season coming, we will have to put our windows down to open the gates. How stupid is this?

Tens of thousands of residents have been doing just that for decades before you arrived - you will survive.

[dewilson58]

So now with rainy season coming, we will have to put our windows down to open the gates. How stupid is this?

Been here over ten years, 4 or 5 times it was raining as I rolled up to a gate.
I got a little closer, put my card next the closed window and the gate opened.
Not stupid at all.

:mornincoffee:

[retiredguy123]

Why should they???? People who have these cloned cards just need to know they will no longer work; they don't need to know why. Remember, no one should have a cloned card in the first place.
Not exactly. When I called The Villages District Administration office, they told me that there is no rule against cloning the gate cards for personal use.

[Fastskiguy]

- The new software will allow the use of new readers that are compatible with long-range systems that can work from within the car without the need to roll down a window

I would really like this. I know rolling down the window and using the key card is a 1st world problem but it annoys the crap out of me every. single. time.

Joe

[Bogie Shooter]

So now with rainy season coming, we will have to put our windows down to open the gates. How stupid is this?

Do you only use the gates when it’s raining? How stupid is this?

[Angelhug52]

Whenever possible just go through the manned gate wave and go. No need to burnout window motors. The gates may serve some purpose but we are not a gated community. Why not do away with the cards and just have gate open when we pull up? Save money.

[Regorp]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.

Never a fan of red button. How safe are we when anyone can access our neighborhood by pressing a button?? I wish everyone had to use a gate card, but probably not feasible.

[billethkid]

The concept of a resident and visitor gate here in TV adds no value of any kind.....except eye wash!

.......thinking out loud....the visitor lane should have to push the red button...a sensor could easily determine when the gate goes up vs resident lane......gate attendants involvement not required (for race starts).

[bsloan1960]

If our existing card will still work, why won't an exact clone in a car mirror still work? How do a card and a clone differ?
I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.

[dewilson58]

Never a fan of red button. How safe are we when anyone can access our neighborhood by pressing a button?? I wish everyone had to use a gate card, but probably not feasible.

Thousands and Thousands of visitors, contractors, etc., yes............Not feasible.

[retiredguy123]

Thousands and Thousands of visitors, contractors, etc., yes............Not feasible.
Hundreds of genuine gated communities would disagree.

[dewilson58]

No need to burnout window motors.

How big of an issue is this in TV???

:confused:

[dewilson58]

Hundreds of genuine gated communities would disagree.

We are not a gated community, so let them disagree all they want.

Rhetorical..........Where is there a comparable community....population, staffless gates, volume of visitors, volume of contractors, public streets?

[golfing eagles]

We are not a gated community, so let them disagree all they want.

Rhetorical..........Where is there a comparable community....population, staffless gates, volume of visitors, volume of contractors, public streets?

But none of that even matters since the roads are owned by the county. You can't stop a non-resident from using those roads any more than the Villages could put a toll gate on I-75

[retiredguy123]

But none of that even matters since the roads are owned by the county. You can't stop a non-resident from using those roads any more than the Villages could put a toll gate on I-75
Correct. But, as I understand it, gated communities assume ownership and maintenance for the roads within their gates. It is done with an agreement with the county.

[Maker]

The cards in use are made to a standard for how they operate. The reader (the 6 inch square panel on the pedestal) is constantly transmitting a "is there a card out there" signal. That tiny bit of RF energy is captured by the card, used to power up the card, and send out its long ID number. Card reader picks up that signal and sends that ID number to the gate controller computer to be processed. There are billions of numbers so security depends upon obscurity.

Then the gate controller computer compares that ID number to a list of all valid numbers in its database. If it finds that number, it opens the gate. A cloned card replies with the identical number as the original card, so everything else happens the same. We do not have the high security encrypted cards, those cannot be easily copied.

A lost card should (normally) be deactivated. Its ID is removed from the database, and if found will not match, so gate stays down. Any cloned cards also do not match and gate stays down.
Buy WHY? Since the red button allows anyone to enter, who cares what method is used to get past?

I wish the announcement was " To enhance to convenience for all residents, we will now allow any RFID card to open the gates. That includes all vehicle toll devices such as Ezpass. "
Which also begs the question... why don't the entry gates behave same as the exit gates? Overall same functionality, at a much lower cost.

[Ken D.]

Hundreds of genuine gated communities would disagree.
Tha majority of those only have one (maybe two) main entrances. Stop and think how that would apply here.

[Bogie Shooter]

Correct. But, as I understand it, gated communities assume ownership and maintenance for the roads within their gates. It is done with an agreement with the county.

So we can pay for maintenance twice……..

[PurePeach]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.

Please read the second bulleted item.

[Burnie]

20 years ago, the red buttons did not automatically open the gates. The red button was pushed, a real person then spoke to you through a speaker, (apparently) validated your reason for entry and then opened the gate.

[twoplanekid]

My valid cloned gate card worked fine today, June 1st. I have asked District staff many times about what data is collected and who sees that data from using the gate cards. Every time I get the runaround to not get a answer to my direct questions.

Gates and gate cards are here to say. I don't mind gates as I am using using my cloned gate card in the mirror to auto open the gates.

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R6WfX80P0qc)

[Robojo]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.

I think they should get rid of them. Just another expense for PUBLIC PROPERTY? MAKES ZERO SENSE.

[CybrSage]

My valid cloned gate card worked fine today, June 1st.


My guess is the new system will start on a weekday instead of on a weekend.

But who knows when in June, they were not very specific.

[Robojo]

So now with rainy season coming, we will have to put our windows down to open the gates. How stupid is this?

I am a full time resident non owner. I drive a jacked up silverado. I have to OPEN MY DOOR to currently track that stupid button and I want to destroy the system every time I have to use it.

I'm paying for the house in live on. Why should I be treated as a second class citizen? OWNERS OF FULL TIME RENTALS SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR PERMANENT CARD FOR DURATION OF LEASE.

[CybrSage]

I think they should get rid of them. Just another expense for PUBLIC PROPERTY? MAKES ZERO SENSE.

Most likely for the same reason speed bumps amd speed tables are used, to slow down traffic to safe speeds.

[Altavia]

I am a full time resident non owner. I drive a jacked up silverado. I have to OPEN MY DOOR to currently track that stupid button and I want to destroy the system every time I have to use it.

I'm paying for the house in live on. Why should I be treated as a second class citizen? OWNERS OF FULL TIME RENTALS SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR PERMANENT CARD FOR DURATION OF LEASE.

We do that for our renter?

[Altavia]

The cards in use are made to a standard for how they operate. The reader (the 6 inch square panel on the pedestal) is constantly transmitting a "is there a card out there" signal. That tiny bit of RF energy is captured by the card, used to power up the card, and send out its long ID number. Card reader picks up that signal and sends that ID number to the gate controller computer to be processed. There are billions of numbers so security depends upon obscurity.

Then the gate controller computer compares that ID number to a list of all valid numbers in its database. If it finds that number, it opens the gate. A cloned card replies with the identical number as the original card, so everything else happens the same. We do not have the high security encrypted cards, those cannot be easily copied.

A lost card should (normally) be deactivated. Its ID is removed from the database, and if found will not match, so gate stays down. Any cloned cards also do not match and gate stays down.
Buy WHY? Since the red button allows anyone to enter, who cares what method is used to get past?

I wish the announcement was " To enhance to convenience for all residents, we will now allow any RFID card to open the gates. That includes all vehicle toll devices such as Ezpass. "
Which also begs the question... why don't the entry gates behave same as the exit gates? Overall same functionality, at a much lower cost.

Agree, but many are resistant to change and wish to maintain the illusion of a gated community.

It's just one of the charms of the Villages.

[Beats]

So this really does not change a thing in reality, you still have a red button that anyone can push and enter our Villages and in fact at times the gate keepers will wave the visitor lines in quicker than the resident lines. This still does not address the people that we would want to keep out and ask yourself how any outsiders are using our lakes and pods for fishing, sneaking in and using our pools, pickle ball courts and shuffle board courts.
The gates are nothing more than a false sense of security and in fact the Shay gate has no gate bars at all and all the people who work them do is wave to everyone that goes by, what an absolute waste of time and money.

[Normal]

Are some of the gates already programmed? Does anyone know when all of them will be done?

[fdpaq0580]

I am a full time resident non owner. I drive a jacked up silverado. I have to OPEN MY DOOR to currently track that stupid button and I want to destroy the system every time I have to use it.

I'm paying for the house in live on. Why should I be treated as a second class citizen? OWNERS OF FULL TIME RENTALS SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR PERMANENT CARD FOR DURATION OF LEASE.

Just curious. What about the gate situation has changed since you decided to rent the house?

[Beats]

[QUOTE=Beats;2336639]So this really does not change a thing in reality, you still have a red button that anyone can push and enter our Villages and in fact at times the gate keepers will wave the visitor lines in quicker than the resident lines. This still does not address the people that we would want to keep out and ask yourself how any outsiders are using our lakes and ponds for fishing, sneaking in and using our pools, pickle ball courts and shuffle board courts.

The gates are nothing more than a false sense of security and in fact the Shay gate has no gate bars at all and all the people who work them do is wave to everyone that goes by, what an absolute waste of time and money. Ask yourself how many times that you have heard of Stone Crest people fishing in the Villages, now go and try to get into Stone Crest! /QUOTE]

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Beats;2336639]So this really does not change a thing in reality, you still have a red button that anyone can push and enter our Villages and in fact at times the gate keepers will wave the visitor lines in quicker than the resident lines. This still does not address the people that we would want to keep out and ask yourself how any outsiders are using our lakes and ponds for fishing, sneaking in and using our pools, pickle ball courts and shuffle board courts.

The gates are nothing more than a false sense of security and in fact the Shay gate has no gate bars at all and all the people who work them do is wave to everyone that goes by, what an absolute waste of time and money. Ask yourself how many times that you have heard of Stone Crest people fishing in the Villages, now go and try to get into Stone Crest! /QUOTE]
I asked myself and……..
I have never heard of Stone Crest people fishing in The Villages.

[Two Bills]

It's TOTV so you expect many off the wall responses.
But really!
Burnt out window motors, drag racers using visitors gates, arm may get wet when raining, car is too big, even Stone Cresters taking over all the facilities.
I know I post a load of rubbish, but the difference is, these posters are deadly serious! :shrug:

[golfing eagles]

It's TOTV so you expect many off the wall responses.
But really!
Burnt out window motors, drag racers using visitors gates, arm may get wet when raining, car is too big, even Stone Cresters taking over all the facilities.
I know I post a load of rubbish, but the difference is, these posters are deadly serious! :shrug:

Which is exactly what makes TOTV all the more entertaining. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mleeja]

There is not.

And you know this how?

[Altavia]

And you know this how?

Because the specification calls for a 33 byte readable code, nothing else.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am a full time resident non owner. I drive a jacked up silverado. I have to OPEN MY DOOR to currently track that stupid button and I want to destroy the system every time I have to use it.

I'm paying for the house in live on. Why should I be treated as a second class citizen? OWNERS OF FULL TIME RENTALS SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR PERMANENT CARD FOR DURATION OF LEASE.

So, mister non owner. We have to change the system to accommodate your jacked up Silverado. I think not!

[asianthree]

I am a full time resident non owner. I drive a jacked up silverado. I have to OPEN MY DOOR to currently track that stupid button and I want to destroy the system every time I have to use it.

I'm paying for the house in live on. Why should I be treated as a second class citizen? OWNERS OF FULL TIME RENTALS SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE US THEIR PERMANENT CARD FOR DURATION OF LEASE.

Our long term tenant of 9 years11 months had TWO Gate cards supplied by us.

Maybe your LANDLORD doesn’t LIKE YOU, since neighbors complain about the truck, and the possible anger issues from having to use a button :1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

So, mister non owner. We have to change the system to accommodate your jacked up Silverado. I think not!

I was jus glad it isn't a Ford.

:jester:

[Mleeja]

Because the specification calls for a 33 byte readable code, nothing else.

So you’ve seen what all 33 bytes contain? Just because there is a specification for 33 bytes, doesn’t mean they are all being utilized. I worked in an industry where passive RFID systems were used. To ensure accuracy a check digit was used. The user didn’t see the check digit or have access to it. When the RFID code was activated, the check digit was calculated. If it did not match to the embedded check digit in the RFID tag, the transaction was rejected. Any “security” system is not going revel the existence of a security code or allow it to be copied.

[Altavia]

So you’ve seen what all 33 bytes contain? Just because there is a specification for 33 bytes, doesn’t mean they are all being utilized. I worked in an industry where passive RFID systems were used. To ensure accuracy a check digit was used. The user didn’t see the check digit or have access to it. When the RFID code was activated, the check digit was calculated. If it did not match to the embedded check digit in the RFID tag, the transaction was rejected. Any “security” system is not going revel the existence of a security code or allow it to be copied.

Yes, using a Flipper Zero (Google

This type of card is widely used in old access control systems around the world. It's pretty dumb, stores only an N-byte ID and has no authentication mechanism, allowing it to be read, cloned and emulated by anyone.

I know what you are referring to but that technology is not in our cards from Y2K.

[Utah Flyfisher]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)

e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 5/31/2024

Important Gate System Update Notice – UPDATED INFORMATION
The District Government is implementing an update to our gate system to support future enhanced functionality.
Please note the following important information:
• Beginning JUNE 2024, the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
• This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality. The red button can still be used to access gates throughout the community.
• If one of your cards is not working, please bring both cards that were originally issued as a pair to one of our offices for assistance.
Our offices are located at:
• NORTH SATELLITE OFFICE 1200 Avenida Central in La Hacienda
• DISTRICT CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing
• SOUTH SATELLITE OFFICE 4856 S. Morse Blvd. just south of SR 44
Please contact Customer Service at 352-753-4508 or visit one of our offices to determine if your card needs replacement.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your cooperation as we work to upgrade our community's access system.

Owned in TV for almost 3 years now and never used the ‘resident’ entrance. I don’t even understand the point of 2 lanes 🤷🏻*♀️ Clearly understand the reason for gates. Safety for everyone. Please help me understand the resident/non resident point

[villagetinker]

Owned in TV for almost 3 years now and never used the ‘resident’ entrance. I don’t even understand the point of 2 lanes 🤷🏻*♀️ Clearly understand the reason for gates. Safety for everyone. Please help me understand the resident/non resident point

IMHO, at the manned gates, the non resident lane is closest to the attendant and they can quiz the person about what they are doing, offer directions to their destination, etc., at the Morse gate (just north of 466) I never use the resident gate due to the high traffic flow, the merging of the cars, and the occasional golf cart straying into traffic from the right.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Owned in TV for almost 3 years now and never used the ‘resident’ entrance. I don’t even understand the point of 2 lanes 🤷🏻*♀️ Clearly understand the reason for gates. Safety for everyone. Please help me understand the resident/non resident point

Gates that have employees in gate houses have a visitor's gate to assist visitors. It's a customer service thing, and a visual deterrent against crime (notice I didn't say prevention, I used the word deterrent intentionally). When people see someone is WATCHING you, they're less likely to do something stupid - like plow the gate down on purpose because they can't be bothered pushing a red button.

[Topspinmo]

What makes difference if you can just push red button?

[MrChip72]

I am guessing that there is some type of “check digit” or something similar imbedded in passive RF code in the cards that is currently not being used. The new system will use this “check digit”. When the cards were cloned this extra code was not copied. The folks that have the cloned disk in their mirrors will not work. We will find out real soon. It will be exciting to watch and read!

I've worked with RFID tech for 20+ years. Programmed cards, wrote code, etc.

Where are you getting any of this? What the heck is a "imbedded passive RF code"? If you don't know how to spell embedded properly, then there's zero chance you have much technical knowledge on this subject.

The cloned cards will still work.

[TEXJK]

When the new system is finally implemented ……and god forbid someone’s current card or their cloned card doesn’t work the bitching and complaining and comments to come will be surpass any dog s#/+ thread ever posted

[gbs317]

Now if they can only update the golf registration/request system…. but that is a story for another time. ������

[ithos]

I would not want a system where non residents would have to be queried in some fashion before granted entry. This would just slow things down for everybody. The developers got this one right.

And isn't it true that photos are taken each time a vehicle enters and they have been used to catch thieves?

[Normal]

During COVID there was a large uptick in appliance thieves in new construction zones and areas, the gates cameras helped cut that down and many were caught. The cameras and gates are a great added security measure here.

[golfing eagles]

I would not want a system where non residents would have to be queried in some fashion before granted entry. This would just slow things down for everybody. The developers got this one right.

And isn't it true that photos are taken each time a vehicle enters and they have been used to catch thieves?

Did the developer get it right, or does the law deny a private entity the ability to question someone using a public road?

But based on some recent reports on this and other sites, I wish they would "query" some people intensely.

[Sandy and Ed]

My valid cloned gate card worked fine today, June 1st. I have asked District staff many times about what data is collected and who sees that data from using the gate cards. Every time I get the runaround to not get a answer to my direct questions.

Gates and gate cards are here to say. I don't mind gates as I am using using my cloned gate card in the mirror to auto open the gates.

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R6WfX80P0qc)
Don’t hold your breath. That “cloned” card still needs to be listed as active on the system. Or was that a clone of your own card??

[coffeebean]

And depending on how you enter, go through the visitor side.....quicker to get in if speed is your need.

At a manned gate, sometimes visitors stop and ask questions which slows things down.

[asianthree]

At a manned gate, sometimes visitors stop and ask questions which slows things down.

Even longer slow down when they think gates go up on their own. Drive past the button/card reader, and just sit for awhile waiting for the gate to go up :ohdear:

Happens everyday, until car behind open the gate for them, problem is the person still doesn’t understand how the gates work.

[ithos]

Did the developer get it right, or does the law deny a private entity the ability to question someone using a public road?

But based on some recent reports on this and other sites, I wish they would "query" some people intensely.

That's interesting. Can you propose some criteria for screening non residents?

[Altavia]

I've worked with RFID tech for 20+ years. Programmed cards, wrote code, etc.

Where are you getting any of this? What the heck is a "imbedded passive RF code"? If you don't know how to spell embedded properly, then there's zero chance you have much technical knowledge on this subject.

The cloned cards will still work.

Exactly!

[Altavia]

I would not want a system where non residents would have to be queried in some fashion before granted entry. This would just slow things down for everybody. The developers got this one right.

And isn't it true that photos are taken each time a vehicle enters and they have been used to catch thieves?

They are also using licence plate reading camera's in some construction areas and the street of dreams.

[Joe C.]

The only gate that REALLY is affected is the gate in the historical side that lets you in / out to get to BJ'S and Lowes. It's not manned and doesn't have a red button. So if you don't have an active card you're out of luck.

[Janie123]

Over the last 18 years I have found the NON resident gate is the way to go ! Probably depends on who is manning the gates, time, location, but over all they definitely cater to the public traffic (lawn care, moving vans, appliance repair, visitors,curious, etc.
IMHO, the visitor side is to be used like the visitor parking spaces at businesses and church. It’s like opening the door for a guest.. be polite, use the right.

[twoplanekid]

Don’t hold your breath. That “cloned” card still needs to be listed as active on the system. Or was that a clone of your own card??

In my case, the cloned card I am using is a clone of my issued card given to me during the purchase of my house in the Villages.

So, my personal cloned card should work until I sell my house. District staff seems to state that all cloned cards will not work which I believe is not correct. Waiting to see what happens at the end of June. :icon_wink:

[dewilson58]

I received this from VCDD: (Please do not shoot the messenger....)


Jus trying to share information in a simple thread and +100 posts....all over the map.

:thumbup:

[tophcfa]

The only gate that REALLY is affected is the gate in the historical side that lets you in / out to get to BJ'S and Lowes. It's not manned and doesn't have a red button. So if you don't have an active card you're out of luck.

People sometimes wait for someone to go through that gate and get close behind them and ride their tail through the gate without using a valid card. When someone tries to do that behind me, I pause my cart until the gate begins to close so they can’t get through behind me. I’ve been flipped off a couple times for doing that, but it doesn’t bother me in the least.

[Bill14564]

People sometimes wait for someone to go through that gate and get close behind them and ride their tail through the gate without using a valid card. When someone tries to do that behind me, I pause my cart until the gate begins to close so they can’t get through behind me. I’ve been flipped off a couple times for doing that, but it doesn’t bother me in the least.

I've never used that gate but I hope if I ever do that I'll remember to do the same thing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

IMHO, the visitor side is to be used like the visitor parking spaces at businesses and church. It’s like opening the door for a guest.. be polite, use the right.

It's also very useful if I'm taking a left immediately after the gate, since the visitor's lane is the left lane, and the resident's lane is the right lane.

Conversely - if I'm taking a right immediately after the gate, I always get in the resident's lane on the right.

At the Boone gate, it actually matters since the cross street is Paradise, and that's the main road that runs parallel to 441 on the Historic side. Traffic there can be pretty awkward. Cars coming in from 441 do NOT have a stop sign at the intersection. Their stop sign upon their approach to the gate. Once that gate is up, they are supposed to move and /not/ stop.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People sometimes wait for someone to go through that gate and get close behind them and ride their tail through the gate without using a valid card. When someone tries to do that behind me, I pause my cart until the gate begins to close so they can’t get through behind me. I’ve been flipped off a couple times for doing that, but it doesn’t bother me in the least.

The timing on that gate has been changed. You'd now have to sit there for 45 seconds. Meanwhile, I DO have a valid gate card, and I DO use it. However, there's no need to, if the gate is still open from the person who came in only seconds before I did.

In addition, if the person behind you, does hold their card up, and you didn't happen to notice them do that, and the gate is open legitimately for THEM - then YOU are holding them up, because you've chosen to play traffic cop.

The only time I've ever tried to prevent someone from coming through is if the gate is already closed, and they ask me to swipe them in.

[Maker]

Lots of people seem to believe:
--- Gates lower crime because thieves think they are being watched.
--- Gates take pictures of cars and the people in them.
--- Gates help carts cross.
--- Many want them removed, many do not.

Here is a compromise ... Make entry gates work the same as exit gates. Pull up close and they open.
That would:
--- Save a lot of money.
--- Still give the false sense of security.
--- Still allow pictures to be taken.
--- Help carts cross.
--- Eliminate the entire gate card cloning issue.
--- Make the entry process so much easier and safer.

HOW can WE get the people who WORK FOR US make this happen?

[Bill14564]

Lots of people seem to believe:
--- Gates lower crime because thieves think they are being watched.
--- Gates take pictures of cars and the people in them.
--- Gates help carts cross.
--- Many want them removed, many do not.

Here is a compromise ... Make entry gates work the same as exit gates. Pull up close and they open.
That would:
--- Save a lot of money.
--- Still give the false sense of security.
--- Still allow pictures to be taken.
--- Help carts cross.
--- Eliminate the entire gate card cloning issue.
--- Make the entry process so much easier and safer.

HOW can WE get the people who WORK FOR US make this happen?

I would start by contacting the PWAC/AAC (depends on where you live) or proposing the idea at one of their meetings.

They've just spent a whole lot of money installing new servers and software for the card readers. They may not be very receptive of a proposal to throw it all away.

[retiredguy123]

Jus trying to share information in a simple thread and +100 posts....all over the map.

:thumbup:
Hundreds of Villagers have purchased cloned mirror chips and use them every day. Yet, the District Government issues a statement about a new gate control system, but totally ignores what effect the new system will have on the cloned chips. No wonder people are confused and have questions. I have a cloned mirror chip, but before I installed it, I called the district administration office, and they told me that the cloned chips were okay to use if they were made from my valid access card.

[golfing eagles]

That's interesting. Can you propose some criteria for screening non residents?

I'd start with 4 teenagers in bathing suits and move on to the guy wearing a suicide vest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Altavia]

Lots of people seem to believe:
--- Gates lower crime because thieves think they are being watched.
--- Gates take pictures of cars and the people in them.
--- Gates help carts cross.
--- Many want them removed, many do not.

Here is a compromise ... Make entry gates work the same as exit gates. Pull up close and they open.
That would:
--- Save a lot of money.
--- Still give the false sense of security.
--- Still allow pictures to be taken.
--- Help carts cross.
--- Eliminate the entire gate card cloning issue.
--- Make the entry process so much easier and safer.

HOW can WE get the people who WORK FOR US make this happen?

This makes a lot of sense to me. But change is hard.

Based on the communication for the upgrades, I'm not so sure sure the decision makers understood well how the system or the upgrades work.

Best chance might be to start with the new areas. Do the above and replace the card access with licence plate readers for added security.

[MrFlorida]

I think they should get rid of them. Just another expense for PUBLIC PROPERTY? MAKES ZERO SENSE.

Gates are there for the safe passage of golf carts crossing the road. Without them, carts would be run into on a daily basis , especially from outsiders who don't know that this is a golf cart community, and are not aware of them crossing.

[Stu from NYC]

I'd start with 4 teenagers in bathing suits and move on to the guy wearing a suicide vest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You would not let in good looking females in a low cut bikini?

[golfing eagles]

You would not let in good looking females in a low cut bikini?

Sorry. Meant to say 4 teenage boys

[Keefelane66]

Its June 2nd CLONED mirror disk working fine both Nortern and Southern Villages.

[Maker]

Gates are there for the safe passage of golf carts crossing the road. Without them, carts would be run into on a daily basis , especially from outsiders who don't know that this is a golf cart community, and are not aware of them crossing.

When gate arms are broken off, or removed for maintenance, or removed for bad weather... the above theory fails. Daily crashes do not happen. Traffic manages to flow just fine, and actually flows faster.

[Bill14564]

When gate arms are broken off, or removed for maintenance, or removed for bad weather... the above theory fails. Daily crashes do not happen. Traffic manages to flow just fine, and actually flows faster.

When they are first removed, traffic flows fine.

After a day or so, traffic flows faster as drivers ignore the stop signs.

The risk to golf carts increases. I have no study for this, just my personal experience. When the gates are down for any extended period of time the feeling of playing "frogger" increases. Gaps in traffic decrease as drivers fail to stop and near misses increase as the actions of individual drivers become less predictable.

I would be the first to argue that the absence of crashes is evidence of a tractable problem. However, through experience I recognize that as both the duration of the absence of gates and the expectation of the absence of gates grow, the problem steadily becomes worse.

Taking the gates down for repair or bad weather reveals issues that could lead to serious problems if they remain down.

[MrFlorida]

When gate arms are broken off, or removed for maintenance, or removed for bad weather... the above theory fails. Daily crashes do not happen. Traffic manages to flow just fine, and actually flows faster.

When arms are broken, or removed, they place a STOP sign near where the gate was.... so traffic does not flow any faster .

[M2inOR]

When arms are broken, or removed, they place a STOP sign near where the gate was.... so traffic does not flow any faster .

A few weeks ago, both arms were broken at the Marsh Bend entry gate behind Magnolia plaza.

I viewed several cart owners zooming thru the left visitors gate zoom thru without stopping or slowing down.

Yes, that driver is rude, and a potential future accident driver.

I like the gates. They do slow people down where necessary.

[Maker]

When arms are broken, or removed, they place a STOP sign near where the gate was.... so traffic does not flow any faster .

People ignore that sign. Carts learn that cars are not stopping, and drive in a way to cross safely. Carts learn to cease darting in front of cars, thus are safer overall.

One would think that a gate area where the arm is unexpectedly missing, that crashes would happen at a huge rate. Golf carts would be expecting the car to stop, and cart would dart out into the traffic lane directly in front of the vehicles.
I recall plenty of publicity about carts crashing all over the place EXCEPT at any crossing with a missing gate arm. We hear about every cart crash, but that number pales in comparison to how many cars crash. There's nothing sensational about a car crash, so those do not get the hype in the news media.

Yet the doom and gloom posts continue, even though crashes are just not happening.

[golfing eagles]

People ignore that sign. Carts learn that cars are not stopping, and drive in a way to cross safely. Carts learn to cease darting in front of cars, thus are safer overall.

One would think that a gate area where the arm is unexpectedly missing, that crashes would happen at a huge rate. Golf carts would be expecting the car to stop, and cart would dart out into the traffic lane directly in front of the vehicles.
I recall plenty of publicity about carts crashing all over the place EXCEPT at any crossing with a missing gate arm. We hear about every cart crash, but that number pales in comparison to how many cars crash. There's nothing sensational about a car crash, so those do not get the hype in the news media.

Yet the doom and gloom posts continue, even though crashes are just not happening.

Interesting argument. Postulating that removing a safety feature will make gate crossings safer. I'm not sure anybody can get onboard with that.

[Blueblaze]

Brilliant. In the interest of "security" we have to stop residents from buying clone chips for their car mirrors to avoid wearing out the motor in their car window. But we're keeping the red button for the benefit of any poor crook who might wander in from elsewhere looking for a TV to steal.

It sorta reminds me of our new and modern, enlightened immigration policy.

[dewilson58]

But we're keeping the red button for the benefit of any poor crook who might wander in from elsewhere looking for a TV to steal.
.

Very Confused.

There are many benefits for the red button.

[golfing eagles]

Brilliant. In the interest of "security" we have to stop residents from buying clone chips for their car mirrors to avoid wearing out the motor in their car window. But we're keeping the red button for the benefit of any poor crook who might wander in from elsewhere looking for a TV to steal.

It sorta reminds me of our new and modern, enlightened immigration policy.

Not to debate the merits of cloned chips in mirrors, but I have NEVER had a power window motor burn out. That includes my 2011 sportscar.

[golfing eagles]

Very Confused.

There are many benefits for the red button.

True. But who does it benefit MORE??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[twoplanekid]

Not to debate the merits of cloned chips in mirrors, but I have NEVER had a power window motor burn out. That includes my 2011 sportscar.

I use my cloned gate card all of the time as nothing else is needed to raise the gate. Now, I do stop briefly as everyone should while the gate lifts. Nothing else needs to be done by me to open the gates. It's as simple as that. Why people insist on doing it the old way is not what I would want to do. So, as long as my valid cloned card works, I am happy. As the old saying goes, keep it simple .... :smiley:

Hi neighbor :wave:

P.S. As an elected official on a District board and in my opinion, District staff and the Developer will never remove gates nor change the requirement for using a gate card or pushing that red button or talking to a gate guard to open gates. Very happy that my cloned gate card located in the mirror continues to work great!

[Stu from NYC]

True. But who does it benefit MORE??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would say Who but he is not available as he is playing first base

[retiredguy123]

When arms are broken, or removed, they place a STOP sign near where the gate was.... so traffic does not flow any faster .
Note that they should not place a stop sign there unless it complies with the county requirements. That is a county road. Stop signs are not supposed to be placed at ground level, and they are required to be on the right hand side of the traffic lane, not on the left side. I think the signs are illegal.

[Number 10 GI]

Note that they should not place a stop sign there unless it complies with the county requirements. That is a county road. Stop signs are not supposed to be placed at ground level, and they are required to be on the right hand side of the traffic lane, not on the left side. I think the signs are illegal.

That is my understanding also. What I've heard is that a government agency must authorize installation of signs, not a private entity.

[4$ALE]

That is my understanding also. What I've heard is that a government agency must authorize installation of signs, not a private entity.

And I'm sure you both know a Community Development District (CDD) is a governmental unit. :rolleyes:

[retiredguy123]

And I'm sure you both know a Community Development District (CDD) is a governmental unit. :rolleyes:
Yes, but they don't make the county road and signage rules.

[Number 10 GI]

And I'm sure you both know a Community Development District (CDD) is a governmental unit. :rolleyes:

Do some research, Google is your friend. CDD's do not have the legal authority to regulate traffic on public roadways.

[Keefelane66]

June 4th my cloned mirror chip still works.

[4$ALE]

Do some research, Google is your friend. CDD's do not have the legal authority to regulate traffic on public roadways.

:shrug: Like a GATE ARM? chilout

[retiredguy123]

:shrug: Like a GATE ARM? chilout
As I understand it, the gate arms are authorized by the county, and the construction of them complies with the county guidelines.

[Altavia]

As I understand it, the gate arms are authorized by the county, and the construction of them complies with the county guidelines.

Any idea why there isn't an approved permanent stop sign at each gate?

[jimbomaybe]

I would say Who but he is not available as he is playing first base
Naturally

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People ignore that sign. Carts learn that cars are not stopping, and drive in a way to cross safely. Carts learn to cease darting in front of cars, thus are safer overall.

One would think that a gate area where the arm is unexpectedly missing, that crashes would happen at a huge rate. Golf carts would be expecting the car to stop, and cart would dart out into the traffic lane directly in front of the vehicles.
I recall plenty of publicity about carts crashing all over the place EXCEPT at any crossing with a missing gate arm. We hear about every cart crash, but that number pales in comparison to how many cars crash. There's nothing sensational about a car crash, so those do not get the hype in the news media.

Yet the doom and gloom posts continue, even though crashes are just not happening.

I think this is an excellent argument for removing ALL traffic lights and stop signs in The Villages.

[JMintzer]

I would say Who but he is not available as he is playing first base

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f1/fe/8e/f1fe8ee793833acfc402e81afe62bcc4.jpg

[MrChip72]

Thousands and Thousands of visitors, contractors, etc., yes............Not feasible.

Or legal.

I think ideally they should only keep the gates closed from dusk until dawn. Then most people would realize that we're just a "community with gates" vs a "gated community"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Or legal.

I think ideally they should only keep the gates closed from dusk until dawn. Then most people would realize that we're just a "community with gates" vs a "gated community"

It's traffic control. There's more traffic during the day than there is at night. An alternative would be to have a fully-functional stop light at EVERY gate with special timing for golf carts to cross. But that would back up traffic on all the main roads, since that's where most of the gates are located.

[PugMom]

The reasoning for the new software was presented at the PWAC and other meetings when the upgrade was proposed - this is why residents should attend those meetings.

Some of the reasons that I recall:
- The number of valid cards had outgrown the capabilities of the old software
- The new software will make it easier to disable invalid cards and since not all the gates are on public roads this will improve security at those other gates
- The new software will allow the use of new readers that are compatible with long-range systems that can work from within the car without the need to roll down a window

thx for info!

[PugMom]

"Thanks for the clear explaination Bill. The official communication of this could have been better involving people like you."

looks like they shot the messenger! :grumpy:

[Keefelane66]

I am guessing that there is some type of “check digit” or something similar imbedded in passive RF code in the cards that is currently not being used. The new system will use this “check digit”. When the cards were cloned this extra code was not copied. The folks that have the cloned disk in their mirrors will not work. We will find out real soon. It will be exciting to watch and read!
June 5th my cloned mirror disc still working.

[Topspinmo]

I was jus glad it isn't a Ford.

:jester:

Cause fords come jacked up……:1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Complete was of money

[xcaligirl]

But the buttons aren't affected, right?
the gate system will only operate with valid cards active in the system.
It states in the original post:•
This update to the card reader software does not affect the existing red button functionality.

[Dills]

Outside of TV losing revenue from ppl not buying their replacement /addntl gate cards... What are the cons of letting or caring if ppl have a clones gate chip in their mirror for "their" convenience?

(Following OP on what actually will occur to block them) .




This was a long time coming. I think it was September 2022 when I first heard of the upgrade of the gate software.

This should not affect anyone using the cards issued by the District. On the other hand, software upgrades rarely go as smoothly as planned. I wish they would just get on with it and activate the new software so we would know what is going to break.

[Mustang428j]

35 year old technology. No room for additional data on Gate Card

[Mustang428j]

There is not.
35 Year old Technology. No check digit. Nowhere on card for the addtional data.

[Mustang428j]

There may be a digital signature if an RIDF is cloned. I would think newer software could pick this up. In other words, every card that is valid would work, but tagged or copied cards would not. The extra digits on stickers would not be ignored and make those clones invalid?
There are no extra digits on these cards . This is 64 bit Technology.

[Bill14564]

There are no extra digits on these cards . This is 64 bit Technology.

??? So there are only eight digits? But posts 77 and 82 are pretty sure there are 33 digits which is also.not a multiple of 64 bits.

[Topspinmo]

I think this is an excellent argument for removing ALL traffic lights and stop signs in The Villages.

Better idea would be remove all street lights that are rented for $500 dollars? IF true I wonder who made that deal? I hope that 500 dollars a yearly rental not monthly? Supposedly the rental fee going up 800%? If true get ready for big hit maintenance fees in what ever districts rent light poles?

[twoplanekid]

Used my cloned gate card today to enter a Village gate as if it was an auto exit gate. So, cloned gate cards located in car mirrors still continue to work great as long as the original card is still active in the system. I would not use anything else to go through entrance gates as if they were an exit gate.

The easy way to open a gate in The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R6WfX80P0qc)